Drivers to stay away from Southampton today to avoid traffic chaos

Daily Echo: Traffic in Southampton Traffic in Southampton

MOTORISTS are being reminded to steer clear of the city centre today to prevent gridlock paralysing Southampton again.

Hundreds of motorists were trapped in some of the worst jams ever earlier this year amid major roadworks and five cruise ships in dock.

Now Southampton City Council is trying to avert chaos today as the Platform Road works continue and cruise ships the Oceana and Oriana arrive at Dock Gate 4.

Transport bosses are appealing drivers to help ease the pressure by avoiding coming in from the M271 during the busiest times at 11am to 2pm.

Meanwhile works at Town Quay eastbound have been suspended so the road can be reopened for the day to create extra capacity.

It will be closed again on Thursday evening to allow resurfacing to be completed the following week.

Daily Echo:

The gyratory around Queens Park now has a designated right-hand lane for Dock Gate 4 traffic only and the left-hand lane is reserved for all other traffic, while yellow box road markings have been installed to deter traffic from blocking entry junctions.

Council environment and transport cabinet member Councillor Jacqui Rayment said: “We regret that some of our residents, visitors and businesses may be inconvenienced but we are doing everything in our power to alleviate the worst of the congestion.”

Peak times for cruise traffic are between 8.15am and 10am for disembarkation and 11.30am and 2pm for embarkation but Associated British Ports has vowed to deploy extra staff to speed up movement through security checkpoints.

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7:24am Thu 13 Mar 14

Huey says...

If the port cannot cope - which is obvious - send these ships to Liverpool.
Telling people to avoid a city they have to work or live in is ridiculous.
No one actually wants to go to Southampton, they but they have to.
If the port cannot cope - which is obvious - send these ships to Liverpool. Telling people to avoid a city they have to work or live in is ridiculous. No one actually wants to go to Southampton, they but they have to. Huey
  • Score: -1

7:35am Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

Rayment has just responded to the Echo's tweet of this article - what she said was "be sensible". Not "avoid".

Do you really need to be in the car during this specific time?

Motorcyclists and cyclists had no trouble getting through the last few times the traffic snarled. Those on foot also had little in the way of problems. The last snarl up I went from Totton to Thornhill on the bike in 35 minutes.

Make the right choice.
Rayment has just responded to the Echo's tweet of this article - what she said was "be sensible". Not "avoid". Do you really need to be in the car during this specific time? Motorcyclists and cyclists had no trouble getting through the last few times the traffic snarled. Those on foot also had little in the way of problems. The last snarl up I went from Totton to Thornhill on the bike in 35 minutes. Make the right choice. downfader
  • Score: -7

7:51am Thu 13 Mar 14

SOULJACKER says...

You couldn't make this stuff up could ya, a city that can't handle traffic & a local rag that gets lost in translation....Epic :)
You couldn't make this stuff up could ya, a city that can't handle traffic & a local rag that gets lost in translation....Epic :) SOULJACKER
  • Score: 6

8:18am Thu 13 Mar 14

Brite Spark says...

The headline is deliberately inflammatory.
The answer is to sack the people who control the temporary traffic lights, and replace them with operators who have a bit of common sense, and can think through the logic of what timing sequence is needed.
The headline is deliberately inflammatory. The answer is to sack the people who control the temporary traffic lights, and replace them with operators who have a bit of common sense, and can think through the logic of what timing sequence is needed. Brite Spark
  • Score: 3

8:29am Thu 13 Mar 14

tootle says...

Quickest way from a to z for me is straight through City Centre, so I shall go around it, certainly adding to the fuel bill, which is what I would normally do anyway as driving through City Centre is never the best experience. And yes, I do need to be in the car!
Quickest way from a to z for me is straight through City Centre, so I shall go around it, certainly adding to the fuel bill, which is what I would normally do anyway as driving through City Centre is never the best experience. And yes, I do need to be in the car! tootle
  • Score: 8

8:33am Thu 13 Mar 14

Mr E says...

Only recently the echo published an article where a member of Southampton City Council was suggesting the rail companies should give customers reduced price train travel during disruption.


Perhaps this councilor would like to arrange a rebate of council tax on the same grounds ......
Only recently the echo published an article where a member of Southampton City Council was suggesting the rail companies should give customers reduced price train travel during disruption. Perhaps this councilor would like to arrange a rebate of council tax on the same grounds ...... Mr E
  • Score: 12

8:43am Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

Mr E wrote:
Only recently the echo published an article where a member of Southampton City Council was suggesting the rail companies should give customers reduced price train travel during disruption.


Perhaps this councilor would like to arrange a rebate of council tax on the same grounds ......
Trouble is rail passengers are just themselves and others sardined into carriages... 66% of all drivers are travelling under 5 miles as a single occupant in car. DFT figures show that the average journey is 7 miles.

Its like I said before - people are making bad decisions that affect this city - and those people are those that choose to drive when they dont need to.
[quote][p][bold]Mr E[/bold] wrote: Only recently the echo published an article where a member of Southampton City Council was suggesting the rail companies should give customers reduced price train travel during disruption. Perhaps this councilor would like to arrange a rebate of council tax on the same grounds ......[/p][/quote]Trouble is rail passengers are just themselves and others sardined into carriages... 66% of all drivers are travelling under 5 miles as a single occupant in car. DFT figures show that the average journey is 7 miles. Its like I said before - people are making bad decisions that affect this city - and those people are those that choose to drive when they dont need to. downfader
  • Score: -10

9:26am Thu 13 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning.

Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway.
If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning. Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway. camerajuan
  • Score: -10

9:38am Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

camerajuan wrote:
If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning.

Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway.
This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry.

From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning. Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway.[/p][/quote]This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry. From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk. downfader
  • Score: -2

9:49am Thu 13 Mar 14

speedicut says...

Once again, acutal Council statement reads as follows...

"The busiest time is expected to be between 11am and 2pm around the southern part of the city coming in from the M271. If any of your planned journeys around this part of the city are not essential you may wish to avoid these times or come into the city using a different route.

Please note that we are not advising people to stay away from the city centre. Our advice is to avoid the Eastern Docks at the times above and to use alternative routes or travel methods if possible."
Once again, acutal Council statement reads as follows... "The busiest time is expected to be between 11am and 2pm around the southern part of the city coming in from the M271. If any of your planned journeys around this part of the city are not essential you may wish to avoid these times or come into the city using a different route. Please note that we are not advising people to stay away from the city centre. Our advice is to avoid the Eastern Docks at the times above and to use alternative routes or travel methods if possible." speedicut
  • Score: 13

9:55am Thu 13 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

downfader wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning.

Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway.
This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry.

From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk.
But the answer will always be - "We shouldn't have to, its the ships' fault!" It's not. Why would you pursue a route with the method that you know will affect your journey in a negative way? It's bizarre!
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning. Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway.[/p][/quote]This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry. From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk.[/p][/quote]But the answer will always be - "We shouldn't have to, its the ships' fault!" It's not. Why would you pursue a route with the method that you know will affect your journey in a negative way? It's bizarre! camerajuan
  • Score: 1

10:05am Thu 13 Mar 14

Kingontail says...

still amazed how long these works have taken. Presume competitively tendered and gone for the cheapest option.
still amazed how long these works have taken. Presume competitively tendered and gone for the cheapest option. Kingontail
  • Score: 0

10:41am Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

Kingontail wrote:
still amazed how long these works have taken. Presume competitively tendered and gone for the cheapest option.
The cheapest isnt always the main reason a Council goes with a contactor. Having the right tools for the job helps.
[quote][p][bold]Kingontail[/bold] wrote: still amazed how long these works have taken. Presume competitively tendered and gone for the cheapest option.[/p][/quote]The cheapest isnt always the main reason a Council goes with a contactor. Having the right tools for the job helps. downfader
  • Score: -6

12:42pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Stuffed2 says...

Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :(

Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ?

So don`t blame the cruise companys

Rant over
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over Stuffed2
  • Score: 12

12:47pm Thu 13 Mar 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

downfader wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning.

Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway.
This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry.

From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk.
I don't understand your post,are you saying that 2 minutes less moderate exercise per day is better for you?
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning. Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway.[/p][/quote]This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry. From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk.[/p][/quote]I don't understand your post,are you saying that 2 minutes less moderate exercise per day is better for you? 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 3

12:47pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Keep_Soton_Tidy says...

Just a thought, couldn't the ships dock at the western docks (Dock Gate 20)
the other end until the road works completed
That way all cruise traffic can come down M271 then straight in DG 20 that way no need to enter main part of city.
Just a thought, couldn't the ships dock at the western docks (Dock Gate 20) the other end until the road works completed That way all cruise traffic can come down M271 then straight in DG 20 that way no need to enter main part of city. Keep_Soton_Tidy
  • Score: 0

12:47pm Thu 13 Mar 14

SteveinTotton says...

Why can't cruise ship passengers use dock gate 20?
Why can't cruise ship passengers use dock gate 20? SteveinTotton
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Thu 13 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
[quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one) CivicCentered
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Thu 13 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
No it wont be a popular one as it involves physical effort, people are just to idle these days although I personally believe if you could get people to try a bike for just a week you would never get them off it .
I haven't seen any gridlock in town today so maybe people have stayed away.
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]No it wont be a popular one as it involves physical effort, people are just to idle these days although I personally believe if you could get people to try a bike for just a week you would never get them off it . I haven't seen any gridlock in town today so maybe people have stayed away. bigfella777
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Thu 13 Mar 14

WoolstonSean says...

So a lot of exaggeration regarding traffic chaos as the city especially around dock gate 4 has been very quiet today!
So a lot of exaggeration regarding traffic chaos as the city especially around dock gate 4 has been very quiet today! WoolstonSean
  • Score: 6

1:39pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure? Torchie1
  • Score: 0

1:42pm Thu 13 Mar 14

WoolstonSean says...

Keep_Soton_Tidy wrote:
Just a thought, couldn't the ships dock at the western docks (Dock Gate 20)
the other end until the road works completed
That way all cruise traffic can come down M271 then straight in DG 20 that way no need to enter main part of city.
You do realise where the four cruise terminals are situated don't you, you can't just have a cruise ship at any berth that is why there are dedicated CRUISE TERMINALS with all the facilities needed such as check in, lounges, security areas, etc, etc so your 'just a thought' is totally ridicoulous.
[quote][p][bold]Keep_Soton_Tidy[/bold] wrote: Just a thought, couldn't the ships dock at the western docks (Dock Gate 20) the other end until the road works completed That way all cruise traffic can come down M271 then straight in DG 20 that way no need to enter main part of city.[/p][/quote]You do realise where the four cruise terminals are situated don't you, you can't just have a cruise ship at any berth that is why there are dedicated CRUISE TERMINALS with all the facilities needed such as check in, lounges, security areas, etc, etc so your 'just a thought' is totally ridicoulous. WoolstonSean
  • Score: 6

1:43pm Thu 13 Mar 14

WoolstonSean says...

Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Well said :-)
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Well said :-) WoolstonSean
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
downfader wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning.

Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway.
This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry.

From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk.
I don't understand your post,are you saying that 2 minutes less moderate exercise per day is better for you?
Dammit. I meant 30 minutes. My fingers have been playing up...
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: If you are fit and healthy and your daily commute totals less than ten miles, your car should be your toy for the weekend and not your first thought in the morning. Get a bike. Avoid the traffic. Get awesome legs. Alternative, ignore the warnings, get plumper, get angry at traffic you know will be there but drive towards anyway.[/p][/quote]This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry. From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk.[/p][/quote]I don't understand your post,are you saying that 2 minutes less moderate exercise per day is better for you?[/p][/quote]Dammit. I meant 30 minutes. My fingers have been playing up... downfader
  • Score: -3

1:54pm Thu 13 Mar 14

manic75 says...

I'm a driver. To be clear that doesn't make me evil, selfish, etc as some of the comments on this forum seem to imply. I am a driver for numerous reasons which I don't particularly care about debating on this forum. Long and the short of it, cycling isn't an option for me, nor is a bus or train.

Telling people to stay away (albeit temporarily) or use a bike is a joke, right? Basically you're putting a big sign up to me (the customer) that Southampton does not want my business. I get that message loud and clear. I will not be spending my money in Southampton.

Slate me all you like. I won't suffer, I just go somewhere else and spend my money there instead. It's so easy these days especially with the competition by web retailers such as Amazon - why sit in a traffic jam when I can just buy it online? Southampton's economy will suffer. So have a go at me all you like; its the shopkeepers, staff and businesses in Southampton who will be crying, not me.

Let's see how long it takes for some tree hugger to come along and tell me how evil I am and should use a bike.... bring it on....
I'm a driver. To be clear that doesn't make me evil, selfish, etc as some of the comments on this forum seem to imply. I am a driver for numerous reasons which I don't particularly care about debating on this forum. Long and the short of it, cycling isn't an option for me, nor is a bus or train. Telling people to stay away (albeit temporarily) or use a bike is a joke, right? Basically you're putting a big sign up to me (the customer) that Southampton does not want my business. I get that message loud and clear. I will not be spending my money in Southampton. Slate me all you like. I won't suffer, I just go somewhere else and spend my money there instead. It's so easy these days especially with the competition by web retailers such as Amazon - why sit in a traffic jam when I can just buy it online? Southampton's economy will suffer. So have a go at me all you like; its the shopkeepers, staff and businesses in Southampton who will be crying, not me. Let's see how long it takes for some tree hugger to come along and tell me how evil I am and should use a bike.... bring it on.... manic75
  • Score: 4

1:56pm Thu 13 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
I apologise, you've misunderstood my point.

While I absolutely understand that there are geniune reasons for people driving into the city centre, I also believe (I may be wrong) that there are many journeys made into the city centre that do not require a motor vehicle.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti cars or anything. I just think that if people only used their cars when necessary it would be a lot better for everyone involved. Surely you can't disagree that less cars equals less traffic?

I'm certainly not suggesting that people should be cycling in and out of town if they're going in to have a meal or drinks, or to gamble their hard earned money away. Neither am I suggesting that they should try and carry a flat pack wardrobe from IKEA home...

Perhaps I'm living in cloud cookoo land. Surely I am making some sense? (please feel free to tell me otherwise)
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]I apologise, you've misunderstood my point. While I absolutely understand that there are geniune reasons for people driving into the city centre, I also believe (I may be wrong) that there are many journeys made into the city centre that do not require a motor vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti cars or anything. I just think that if people only used their cars when necessary it would be a lot better for everyone involved. Surely you can't disagree that less cars equals less traffic? I'm certainly not suggesting that people should be cycling in and out of town if they're going in to have a meal or drinks, or to gamble their hard earned money away. Neither am I suggesting that they should try and carry a flat pack wardrobe from IKEA home... Perhaps I'm living in cloud cookoo land. Surely I am making some sense? (please feel free to tell me otherwise) CivicCentered
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Thu 13 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

manic75 wrote:
I'm a driver. To be clear that doesn't make me evil, selfish, etc as some of the comments on this forum seem to imply. I am a driver for numerous reasons which I don't particularly care about debating on this forum. Long and the short of it, cycling isn't an option for me, nor is a bus or train. Telling people to stay away (albeit temporarily) or use a bike is a joke, right? Basically you're putting a big sign up to me (the customer) that Southampton does not want my business. I get that message loud and clear. I will not be spending my money in Southampton. Slate me all you like. I won't suffer, I just go somewhere else and spend my money there instead. It's so easy these days especially with the competition by web retailers such as Amazon - why sit in a traffic jam when I can just buy it online? Southampton's economy will suffer. So have a go at me all you like; its the shopkeepers, staff and businesses in Southampton who will be crying, not me. Let's see how long it takes for some tree hugger to come along and tell me how evil I am and should use a bike.... bring it on....
Woah there..!

I think I should take some time off from hugging trees and direct some hugs toward manic75..?
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: I'm a driver. To be clear that doesn't make me evil, selfish, etc as some of the comments on this forum seem to imply. I am a driver for numerous reasons which I don't particularly care about debating on this forum. Long and the short of it, cycling isn't an option for me, nor is a bus or train. Telling people to stay away (albeit temporarily) or use a bike is a joke, right? Basically you're putting a big sign up to me (the customer) that Southampton does not want my business. I get that message loud and clear. I will not be spending my money in Southampton. Slate me all you like. I won't suffer, I just go somewhere else and spend my money there instead. It's so easy these days especially with the competition by web retailers such as Amazon - why sit in a traffic jam when I can just buy it online? Southampton's economy will suffer. So have a go at me all you like; its the shopkeepers, staff and businesses in Southampton who will be crying, not me. Let's see how long it takes for some tree hugger to come along and tell me how evil I am and should use a bike.... bring it on....[/p][/quote]Woah there..! I think I should take some time off from hugging trees and direct some hugs toward manic75..? CivicCentered
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie.

Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food.

You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives. downfader
  • Score: -1

2:06pm Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

manic75 wrote:
I'm a driver. To be clear that doesn't make me evil, selfish, etc as some of the comments on this forum seem to imply. I am a driver for numerous reasons which I don't particularly care about debating on this forum. Long and the short of it, cycling isn't an option for me, nor is a bus or train.

Telling people to stay away (albeit temporarily) or use a bike is a joke, right? Basically you're putting a big sign up to me (the customer) that Southampton does not want my business. I get that message loud and clear. I will not be spending my money in Southampton.

Slate me all you like. I won't suffer, I just go somewhere else and spend my money there instead. It's so easy these days especially with the competition by web retailers such as Amazon - why sit in a traffic jam when I can just buy it online? Southampton's economy will suffer. So have a go at me all you like; its the shopkeepers, staff and businesses in Southampton who will be crying, not me.

Let's see how long it takes for some tree hugger to come along and tell me how evil I am and should use a bike.... bring it on....
Nobody has said you're evil, thats something you clearly have in your head. What is being said is that a poor choice is often made. Driving for a job (tool van, delivery etc) only accounts for under 5% of all traffic - thats in the local and the national data.

And no, the Council did not say "stay away".

Like I and others say - you can spit the dummy out all you like
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: I'm a driver. To be clear that doesn't make me evil, selfish, etc as some of the comments on this forum seem to imply. I am a driver for numerous reasons which I don't particularly care about debating on this forum. Long and the short of it, cycling isn't an option for me, nor is a bus or train. Telling people to stay away (albeit temporarily) or use a bike is a joke, right? Basically you're putting a big sign up to me (the customer) that Southampton does not want my business. I get that message loud and clear. I will not be spending my money in Southampton. Slate me all you like. I won't suffer, I just go somewhere else and spend my money there instead. It's so easy these days especially with the competition by web retailers such as Amazon - why sit in a traffic jam when I can just buy it online? Southampton's economy will suffer. So have a go at me all you like; its the shopkeepers, staff and businesses in Southampton who will be crying, not me. Let's see how long it takes for some tree hugger to come along and tell me how evil I am and should use a bike.... bring it on....[/p][/quote]Nobody has said you're evil, thats something you clearly have in your head. What is being said is that a poor choice is often made. Driving for a job (tool van, delivery etc) only accounts for under 5% of all traffic - thats in the local and the national data. And no, the Council did not say "stay away". Like I and others say - you can spit the dummy out all you like downfader
  • Score: -3

2:07pm Thu 13 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic.
lets have congestion charging now.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic. lets have congestion charging now. bigfella777
  • Score: -1

2:20pm Thu 13 Mar 14

manic75 says...

downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic:
1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch.
2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30.
3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride).

Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing.

Southampton is closed for business.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business. manic75
  • Score: 4

2:24pm Thu 13 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
I'm really starting to like you... ;-)

No one is suggesting that everyone should get on a bike for evey journey.

It certainly does sound like you need to use your car to go about your business. Keep doing it, no one will tell you otherwise.

But surely you can agree that not everyone NEEDS to be in a car..? In fact life would be a lot better for the good people that do require their vehicle..? Let cars equals less traffic, therefore your driving experience will be much mroe enjoyable..?

...or you can keep arguing with yourself?
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]I'm really starting to like you... ;-) No one is suggesting that everyone should get on a bike for evey journey. It certainly does sound like you need to use your car to go about your business. Keep doing it, no one will tell you otherwise. But surely you can agree that not everyone NEEDS to be in a car..? In fact life would be a lot better for the good people that do require their vehicle..? Let cars equals less traffic, therefore your driving experience will be much mroe enjoyable..? ...or you can keep arguing with yourself? CivicCentered
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic.
lets have congestion charging now.
So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic. lets have congestion charging now.[/p][/quote]So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is. Torchie1
  • Score: 3

2:36pm Thu 13 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

Torchie1 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic. lets have congestion charging now.
So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.
Sorry, I seem to have been misunderstood again...

I do not talk for all cyclist (especially far right cyclists!).

My argument/opinion is that if there were less cars on the road there would be less traffic. I believe that a simple way of acheiving this would be to take people who do not really need to drive a car into town out of their cars and onto bikes. In principle it makes sense. Do you not agree?

I have no great need or want to bolster the amount of cyclists. I do not sit in traffic as I have chosen a mode of transport that does not require me to do so. Please do not get me wrong, I am not anti cars. I am anti moaning and not doing anything about it...
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic. lets have congestion charging now.[/p][/quote]So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I seem to have been misunderstood again... I do not talk for all cyclist (especially far right cyclists!). My argument/opinion is that if there were less cars on the road there would be less traffic. I believe that a simple way of acheiving this would be to take people who do not really need to drive a car into town out of their cars and onto bikes. In principle it makes sense. Do you not agree? I have no great need or want to bolster the amount of cyclists. I do not sit in traffic as I have chosen a mode of transport that does not require me to do so. Please do not get me wrong, I am not anti cars. I am anti moaning and not doing anything about it... CivicCentered
  • Score: 0

2:37pm Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic:
1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch.
2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30.
3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride).

Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing.

Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem

2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh)

3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people)

Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. . downfader
  • Score: -4

2:39pm Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

Torchie1 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic.
lets have congestion charging now.
So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.
Well if you want to keep paying high fuel prices...

And we never said all. Breaking Godwin's law doesnt win a debate, it weakens it.

Serious question - what would you do if the fuel was cut off tomorrow? How would you cope? I dont think you could by your comments.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic. lets have congestion charging now.[/p][/quote]So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.[/p][/quote]Well if you want to keep paying high fuel prices... And we never said all. Breaking Godwin's law doesnt win a debate, it weakens it. Serious question - what would you do if the fuel was cut off tomorrow? How would you cope? I dont think you could by your comments. downfader
  • Score: -3

2:44pm Thu 13 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

CivicCentered wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic. lets have congestion charging now.
So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.
Sorry, I seem to have been misunderstood again...

I do not talk for all cyclist (especially far right cyclists!).

My argument/opinion is that if there were less cars on the road there would be less traffic. I believe that a simple way of acheiving this would be to take people who do not really need to drive a car into town out of their cars and onto bikes. In principle it makes sense. Do you not agree?

I have no great need or want to bolster the amount of cyclists. I do not sit in traffic as I have chosen a mode of transport that does not require me to do so. Please do not get me wrong, I am not anti cars. I am anti moaning and not doing anything about it...
Agree with this post, I'm not anti car either. I think people are trying to highlight that a lot of journeys are unnecessary, I think anyone over the age of 40 can remember that most parents didn't have one car let alone 2 or more in the family so how did we manage then?
People are driving half a mile to school, down the road to the shop ect, it's just idleness, you can't complain about congestion if you are part of the problem.
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic. lets have congestion charging now.[/p][/quote]So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I seem to have been misunderstood again... I do not talk for all cyclist (especially far right cyclists!). My argument/opinion is that if there were less cars on the road there would be less traffic. I believe that a simple way of acheiving this would be to take people who do not really need to drive a car into town out of their cars and onto bikes. In principle it makes sense. Do you not agree? I have no great need or want to bolster the amount of cyclists. I do not sit in traffic as I have chosen a mode of transport that does not require me to do so. Please do not get me wrong, I am not anti cars. I am anti moaning and not doing anything about it...[/p][/quote]Agree with this post, I'm not anti car either. I think people are trying to highlight that a lot of journeys are unnecessary, I think anyone over the age of 40 can remember that most parents didn't have one car let alone 2 or more in the family so how did we manage then? People are driving half a mile to school, down the road to the shop ect, it's just idleness, you can't complain about congestion if you are part of the problem. bigfella777
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Ellwood says...

......... this problem will allowed to fester until the 'magic solution' of a congestion charge is proposed.
......... this problem will allowed to fester until the 'magic solution' of a congestion charge is proposed. Ellwood
  • Score: 2

3:09pm Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

Ellwood wrote:
......... this problem will allowed to fester until the 'magic solution' of a congestion charge is proposed.
The problem is the mentality represented of the "victimised motorist" is there, they have to accept they are traffic or it could very well happen. When the media (and I count the Echo in this to some degree) and the population says "poor little you, having to pay all those speeding tickets/parking fines/high insurance" they forget to actively dissuade the negative effects of driving, the criminal behaviour, and reinforce why insurance is so high.
[quote][p][bold]Ellwood[/bold] wrote: ......... this problem will allowed to fester until the 'magic solution' of a congestion charge is proposed.[/p][/quote]The problem is the mentality represented of the "victimised motorist" is there, they have to accept they are traffic or it could very well happen. When the media (and I count the Echo in this to some degree) and the population says "poor little you, having to pay all those speeding tickets/parking fines/high insurance" they forget to actively dissuade the negative effects of driving, the criminal behaviour, and reinforce why insurance is so high. downfader
  • Score: -3

3:23pm Thu 13 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

The most accurate point made on here was by CivicCentered which bascially means that if there was less cars, there would be less traffic. That's not an argument or one man's opinion, that's the law of Mathematics.
The most accurate point made on here was by CivicCentered which bascially means that if there was less cars, there would be less traffic. That's not an argument or one man's opinion, that's the law of Mathematics. camerajuan
  • Score: 2

3:37pm Thu 13 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic.
lets have congestion charging now.
So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.
Well if you want to keep paying high fuel prices...

And we never said all. Breaking Godwin's law doesnt win a debate, it weakens it.

Serious question - what would you do if the fuel was cut off tomorrow? How would you cope? I dont think you could by your comments.
The non-motorists would also be massively impacted by a fuel cut-off. That's not really a fair point.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic. lets have congestion charging now.[/p][/quote]So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.[/p][/quote]Well if you want to keep paying high fuel prices... And we never said all. Breaking Godwin's law doesnt win a debate, it weakens it. Serious question - what would you do if the fuel was cut off tomorrow? How would you cope? I dont think you could by your comments.[/p][/quote]The non-motorists would also be massively impacted by a fuel cut-off. That's not really a fair point. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 3

4:15pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Zootopian says...

If the council has not told people to stay away, why is the city full of signs telling people to "Avoid if possible" the city centre today?
If the council has not told people to stay away, why is the city full of signs telling people to "Avoid if possible" the city centre today? Zootopian
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Thu 13 Mar 14

manic75 says...

downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton. manic75
  • Score: 3

5:04pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

There are some very disappointed posters who have not come on here so far today ......... because there is no problem with the traffic .. its all clear
.
Even the Echo must be gutted that the system has worked so well ....... and they probably already had a pre-written statement from the Tory leader just waiting to go to print
There are some very disappointed posters who have not come on here so far today ......... because there is no problem with the traffic .. its all clear . Even the Echo must be gutted that the system has worked so well ....... and they probably already had a pre-written statement from the Tory leader just waiting to go to print Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

5:13pm Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote:
Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881.

As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer.

Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo...

Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic.
lets have congestion charging now.
So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.
Well if you want to keep paying high fuel prices...

And we never said all. Breaking Godwin's law doesnt win a debate, it weakens it.

Serious question - what would you do if the fuel was cut off tomorrow? How would you cope? I dont think you could by your comments.
The non-motorists would also be massively impacted by a fuel cut-off. That's not really a fair point.
No, it is really... remember the fuel protests a few years back. And the Middle Eastern crisis?

Those risks grow ever greater and is a sound enough reason for Southampton to embrace cycling.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]I don't pedal for pleasure although I do enjoy it, I pedal to commute. And yes I would like to tell all the obese people sat up the top of West Quay who have driven into town just to stuff their faces with sugar and salt at McRubbish to go and get some exercise and stop being so cruel to their children and all the people who are sat in their cars in traffic jams on their way to the gym to go and ride a stationery bicycle it's pathetic. lets have congestion charging now.[/p][/quote]So the main argument from the cycle nazis is that they have decided that the people who chose to arrive at their destination after a comfortable ride in a car are all wrong, and those that arrive on a bicycle are all right? Two things worth noting are that people have freedom of choice to select their mode of transport, and only 2 or possibly 3% decide to use bicycles. You are trying to bolster the case for a minority group which wouldn't need help it was as popular as you continually claim it is.[/p][/quote]Well if you want to keep paying high fuel prices... And we never said all. Breaking Godwin's law doesnt win a debate, it weakens it. Serious question - what would you do if the fuel was cut off tomorrow? How would you cope? I dont think you could by your comments.[/p][/quote]The non-motorists would also be massively impacted by a fuel cut-off. That's not really a fair point.[/p][/quote]No, it is really... remember the fuel protests a few years back. And the Middle Eastern crisis? Those risks grow ever greater and is a sound enough reason for Southampton to embrace cycling. downfader
  • Score: -3

5:16pm Thu 13 Mar 14

downfader says...

manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
As much as it pains me to say it - you learn to adapt, learn defensive riding. The majority of drivers are cool and the more of us that do it (our numbers have doubled to just over 4000 riders in the City in the past 10 years) the safer it gets.

You have a higher risk of stroke than of being hit.
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]As much as it pains me to say it - you learn to adapt, learn defensive riding. The majority of drivers are cool and the more of us that do it (our numbers have doubled to just over 4000 riders in the City in the past 10 years) the safer it gets. You have a higher risk of stroke than of being hit. downfader
  • Score: -2

5:26pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

After the previous congestion problems, the Council has done a good job by reminding people of the extra traffic expected and it seems many people have sensibly modified their travel to alleviate the problem. This is the best possible approach given the circumstances and hopefully this will become a feature of regular communications to inform the public. I expect some will still moan though!
After the previous congestion problems, the Council has done a good job by reminding people of the extra traffic expected and it seems many people have sensibly modified their travel to alleviate the problem. This is the best possible approach given the circumstances and hopefully this will become a feature of regular communications to inform the public. I expect some will still moan though! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 3

5:44pm Thu 13 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
After the previous congestion problems, the Council has done a good job by reminding people of the extra traffic expected and it seems many people have sensibly modified their travel to alleviate the problem. This is the best possible approach given the circumstances and hopefully this will become a feature of regular communications to inform the public. I expect some will still moan though!
Exactly! For every whiner you will undoubtedly hear, there are a dozen people who heed the warning and as reported - the traffic was clear, as there were less cars. Proof if proof were needed, which if you have any common sense, it wasn't. Less cars, less traffic.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: After the previous congestion problems, the Council has done a good job by reminding people of the extra traffic expected and it seems many people have sensibly modified their travel to alleviate the problem. This is the best possible approach given the circumstances and hopefully this will become a feature of regular communications to inform the public. I expect some will still moan though![/p][/quote]Exactly! For every whiner you will undoubtedly hear, there are a dozen people who heed the warning and as reported - the traffic was clear, as there were less cars. Proof if proof were needed, which if you have any common sense, it wasn't. Less cars, less traffic. camerajuan
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Thu 13 Mar 14

manic75 says...

camerajuan wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: After the previous congestion problems, the Council has done a good job by reminding people of the extra traffic expected and it seems many people have sensibly modified their travel to alleviate the problem. This is the best possible approach given the circumstances and hopefully this will become a feature of regular communications to inform the public. I expect some will still moan though!
Exactly! For every whiner you will undoubtedly hear, there are a dozen people who heed the warning and as reported - the traffic was clear, as there were less cars. Proof if proof were needed, which if you have any common sense, it wasn't. Less cars, less traffic.
Less cars, less sales, Southampton's loss. I purchased from Amazon today:)
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: After the previous congestion problems, the Council has done a good job by reminding people of the extra traffic expected and it seems many people have sensibly modified their travel to alleviate the problem. This is the best possible approach given the circumstances and hopefully this will become a feature of regular communications to inform the public. I expect some will still moan though![/p][/quote]Exactly! For every whiner you will undoubtedly hear, there are a dozen people who heed the warning and as reported - the traffic was clear, as there were less cars. Proof if proof were needed, which if you have any common sense, it wasn't. Less cars, less traffic.[/p][/quote]Less cars, less sales, Southampton's loss. I purchased from Amazon today:) manic75
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Thu 13 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that? bigfella777
  • Score: -1

7:51pm Thu 13 Mar 14

News Fanatic says...

Yet again there is a job taking a lot of time and causing long delays. While I realise that a huge number of workers would get in each other's way, surely it must be possible to increase the number slightly and thus reduce the time the work takes. They could start at 7am now and work until 6pm.
Yet again there is a job taking a lot of time and causing long delays. While I realise that a huge number of workers would get in each other's way, surely it must be possible to increase the number slightly and thus reduce the time the work takes. They could start at 7am now and work until 6pm. News Fanatic
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Thu 13 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

bigfella777 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
I think we all know the answer there.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer there. camerajuan
  • Score: -2

9:34pm Thu 13 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

camerajuan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
I think we all know the answer there.
Exactly, because everyone drives too fast
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer there.[/p][/quote]Exactly, because everyone drives too fast bigfella777
  • Score: -2

10:10pm Thu 13 Mar 14

manic75 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
I think we all know the answer there.
Exactly, because everyone drives too fast
Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer there.[/p][/quote]Exactly, because everyone drives too fast[/p][/quote]Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum. manic75
  • Score: 3

12:09am Fri 14 Mar 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

manic75 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
I think we all know the answer there.
Exactly, because everyone drives too fast
Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.
You'd actually get around quicker by bike, I rode from the General to Thornhill once in the same amount of time as it would have taken to drive and it was after rush hour traffic had cleared, you're 60 times more likely to be hit by a car as a pedestrian than as a cyclist and as for the rain, have you not heard of waterproofs, poncho's, rain coats and mudguards?
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer there.[/p][/quote]Exactly, because everyone drives too fast[/p][/quote]Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.[/p][/quote]You'd actually get around quicker by bike, I rode from the General to Thornhill once in the same amount of time as it would have taken to drive and it was after rush hour traffic had cleared, you're 60 times more likely to be hit by a car as a pedestrian than as a cyclist and as for the rain, have you not heard of waterproofs, poncho's, rain coats and mudguards? Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -2

12:37am Fri 14 Mar 14

charrlee says...

"Do you really need to be in the car during this specific time?

Motorcyclists and cyclists had no trouble getting through the last few times the traffic snarled. Those on foot also had little in the way of problems. The last snarl up I went from Totton to Thornhill on the bike in 35 minutes.

Make the right choice."

This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry.

From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk.

"1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem

2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh)

3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people)

Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. ."

Downfader has been writing arrogant, opinionated stuff like this for years. He has no concept of other people, and refuses to recognise that other people may want something different to him.

"Why would you do shopping during lunch?" That is classic rhetoric from him as he proceeds to denigrate those who would differ from his view of the world, and then bring in a lot of statistics to reinforce his argument, proving yet again that Downfader knows best.

I had some experience for few years of working with HFA's. Diagnosed or not, he is classic HFA. He means no harm, but he is unable to entertain the idea that there may be more than one way to lead your life.

Readers, please Google HFA and Asperger's, and you'll see where he and Gingercyclist are coming from. Whereas Ginger is aware of his Aspergers and puts it to good use much of the time, Downfader keeps playing the same record over and over. He will now come on here and attempt, once again to discredit me with allegations that I am a troll, I'm Billy The Kid, etc., etc. Before you bore us once again, Downfader, nobody cares who anyone is, was, or is going to be. All that matters is the words on the screen. And most would agree that your words suck.
"Do you really need to be in the car during this specific time? Motorcyclists and cyclists had no trouble getting through the last few times the traffic snarled. Those on foot also had little in the way of problems. The last snarl up I went from Totton to Thornhill on the bike in 35 minutes. Make the right choice." This is how the majority used to travel in the City until the 1960s. Car use grew by 10 million since 1997 - yet employment stayed largely the same and in the recent 3 years most employees became more local according the Dept for Industry. From the British Medical Journal in 2009 there was a great report too on how just 15 minutes moderate exercise can reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke and diabetes by 12%. Raise that to 13 mins a day and it shoots up to a 40% plus reduction in risk. "1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. ." Downfader has been writing arrogant, opinionated stuff like this for years. He has no concept of other people, and refuses to recognise that other people may want something different to him. "Why would you do shopping during lunch?" That is classic rhetoric from him as he proceeds to denigrate those who would differ from his view of the world, and then bring in a lot of statistics to reinforce his argument, proving yet again that Downfader knows best. I had some experience for few years of working with HFA's. Diagnosed or not, he is classic HFA. He means no harm, but he is unable to entertain the idea that there may be more than one way to lead your life. Readers, please Google HFA and Asperger's, and you'll see where he and Gingercyclist are coming from. Whereas Ginger is aware of his Aspergers and puts it to good use much of the time, Downfader keeps playing the same record over and over. He will now come on here and attempt, once again to discredit me with allegations that I am a troll, I'm Billy The Kid, etc., etc. Before you bore us once again, Downfader, nobody cares who anyone is, was, or is going to be. All that matters is the words on the screen. And most would agree that your words suck. charrlee
  • Score: 2

6:10am Fri 14 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

manic75 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
I think we all know the answer there.
Exactly, because everyone drives too fast
Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.
I think you need to look in the mirror and when you have done that Google PM10 and PM2.5 you might learn something that could benefit your daughters future health.
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer there.[/p][/quote]Exactly, because everyone drives too fast[/p][/quote]Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.[/p][/quote]I think you need to look in the mirror and when you have done that Google PM10 and PM2.5 you might learn something that could benefit your daughters future health. bigfella777
  • Score: -3

8:46am Fri 14 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

manic75 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
I think we all know the answer there.
Exactly, because everyone drives too fast
Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.
Nobody is saying that YOU should ride a bike. I agree, it would be a ridiculous idea for you to do so in your situation.

Some people however will sit in traffic for 5 miles, grumble at work and then on here, then sit in traffic going home - to take out their frustrations in the gym. THOSE people, get on a bike, cut your commute, get in on time and get healthier. It's not just an opinion, it's been proven. Just look at my legs! Look at them!
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer there.[/p][/quote]Exactly, because everyone drives too fast[/p][/quote]Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.[/p][/quote]Nobody is saying that YOU should ride a bike. I agree, it would be a ridiculous idea for you to do so in your situation. Some people however will sit in traffic for 5 miles, grumble at work and then on here, then sit in traffic going home - to take out their frustrations in the gym. THOSE people, get on a bike, cut your commute, get in on time and get healthier. It's not just an opinion, it's been proven. Just look at my legs! Look at them! camerajuan
  • Score: 0

10:30am Fri 14 Mar 14

S!monOn says...

camerajuan wrote:
manic75 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
I think we all know the answer there.
Exactly, because everyone drives too fast
Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.
Nobody is saying that YOU should ride a bike. I agree, it would be a ridiculous idea for you to do so in your situation.

Some people however will sit in traffic for 5 miles, grumble at work and then on here, then sit in traffic going home - to take out their frustrations in the gym. THOSE people, get on a bike, cut your commute, get in on time and get healthier. It's not just an opinion, it's been proven. Just look at my legs! Look at them!
Exactly.

I drive to work because it's a lote more convenient for me and for what I have to do, and I accept there will be traffic congestion. It's a given. What I don't do is go on and on and moan about how bad Southampton is, the way roads are built etc etc.

I live in Southampton, I'm proud of Southampton (it isn't the best, and I don't care because I'm happy here) and I say to those who don't like to live here - f@ck off.

p.s. camerajuan... your legs are ugly.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer there.[/p][/quote]Exactly, because everyone drives too fast[/p][/quote]Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.[/p][/quote]Nobody is saying that YOU should ride a bike. I agree, it would be a ridiculous idea for you to do so in your situation. Some people however will sit in traffic for 5 miles, grumble at work and then on here, then sit in traffic going home - to take out their frustrations in the gym. THOSE people, get on a bike, cut your commute, get in on time and get healthier. It's not just an opinion, it's been proven. Just look at my legs! Look at them![/p][/quote]Exactly. I drive to work because it's a lote more convenient for me and for what I have to do, and I accept there will be traffic congestion. It's a given. What I don't do is go on and on and moan about how bad Southampton is, the way roads are built etc etc. I live in Southampton, I'm proud of Southampton (it isn't the best, and I don't care because I'm happy here) and I say to those who don't like to live here - f@ck off. p.s. camerajuan... your legs are ugly. S!monOn
  • Score: 0

10:41am Fri 14 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
manic75 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
I think we all know the answer there.
Exactly, because everyone drives too fast
Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.
You'd actually get around quicker by bike, I rode from the General to Thornhill once in the same amount of time as it would have taken to drive and it was after rush hour traffic had cleared, you're 60 times more likely to be hit by a car as a pedestrian than as a cyclist and as for the rain, have you not heard of waterproofs, poncho's, rain coats and mudguards?
You have totally ignored what this person has said in order to continue banging out your cycling mantras. You must try to see things from another's point of view. You must try to understand the idea of EMPATHY, otherwise you begin to sound like a mindless robot, an automatic telephone answering service, or, God forbid, the hapless Downfader!

Interaction on this forum involves sharing thoughts, not opposing views different from yours as a matter of principle.

I and my colleagues will always make an exception regarding Downfader, as his purpose is to antagonise and disrupt, as proved by his own admissions on his Twitter page.

You, Ginger, continue to gather minus votes ALL THE TIME now. You should rethink, as you will not promote cycling adequately from a negative position.

Check EMPATHY. It is very close to politeness and interest in others' views.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer there.[/p][/quote]Exactly, because everyone drives too fast[/p][/quote]Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.[/p][/quote]You'd actually get around quicker by bike, I rode from the General to Thornhill once in the same amount of time as it would have taken to drive and it was after rush hour traffic had cleared, you're 60 times more likely to be hit by a car as a pedestrian than as a cyclist and as for the rain, have you not heard of waterproofs, poncho's, rain coats and mudguards?[/p][/quote]You have totally ignored what this person has said in order to continue banging out your cycling mantras. You must try to see things from another's point of view. You must try to understand the idea of EMPATHY, otherwise you begin to sound like a mindless robot, an automatic telephone answering service, or, God forbid, the hapless Downfader! Interaction on this forum involves sharing thoughts, not opposing views different from yours as a matter of principle. I and my colleagues will always make an exception regarding Downfader, as his purpose is to antagonise and disrupt, as proved by his own admissions on his Twitter page. You, Ginger, continue to gather minus votes ALL THE TIME now. You should rethink, as you will not promote cycling adequately from a negative position. Check EMPATHY. It is very close to politeness and interest in others' views. charrlee
  • Score: -1

11:07am Fri 14 Mar 14

charrlee says...

ALL Downfader's comments have attracted minus votes only, totalling MINUS 47 in all ! Nothing unexpected there. Check him out on his Twitter page and see him collude with Ginger for his next trollish attack here.

There has been overwhelming support for personal choice and common sense here, flying full in the face of arrogant, pompous, "far right" cycling dogma.

The vast majority of cyclists are decent, fairminded, "live and let live" people, and a far cry from the fools who inspired the comical "Godwin's Law" designation, and who regularly play this as a "get out of jail card".
ALL Downfader's comments have attracted minus votes only, totalling MINUS 47 in all ! Nothing unexpected there. Check him out on his Twitter page and see him collude with Ginger for his next trollish attack here. There has been overwhelming support for personal choice and common sense here, flying full in the face of arrogant, pompous, "far right" cycling dogma. The vast majority of cyclists are decent, fairminded, "live and let live" people, and a far cry from the fools who inspired the comical "Godwin's Law" designation, and who regularly play this as a "get out of jail card". charrlee
  • Score: 1

11:13am Fri 14 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Oh. One of these sad "cycle NAZIS" has a vote bot which they will be setting up now to downvote my comments.

Let them play. We know the truth. Downfader and co are totally out of order, minus votes or not.
Oh. One of these sad "cycle NAZIS" has a vote bot which they will be setting up now to downvote my comments. Let them play. We know the truth. Downfader and co are totally out of order, minus votes or not. charrlee
  • Score: 2

12:11pm Fri 14 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

S!monOn wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
manic75 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
manic75 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
Stuffed2 wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over
The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)
I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?
Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.
Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.
1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .
My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'.

I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.
And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?
I think we all know the answer there.
Exactly, because everyone drives too fast
Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.
Nobody is saying that YOU should ride a bike. I agree, it would be a ridiculous idea for you to do so in your situation.

Some people however will sit in traffic for 5 miles, grumble at work and then on here, then sit in traffic going home - to take out their frustrations in the gym. THOSE people, get on a bike, cut your commute, get in on time and get healthier. It's not just an opinion, it's been proven. Just look at my legs! Look at them!
Exactly.

I drive to work because it's a lote more convenient for me and for what I have to do, and I accept there will be traffic congestion. It's a given. What I don't do is go on and on and moan about how bad Southampton is, the way roads are built etc etc.

I live in Southampton, I'm proud of Southampton (it isn't the best, and I don't care because I'm happy here) and I say to those who don't like to live here - f@ck off.

p.s. camerajuan... your legs are ugly.
Travesty! They look like bags of stones and feel just as firm!

I'm hurt :(
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stuffed2[/bold] wrote: Cruise companys have been using southampton since 1881 and there has never been any problems so why don`t the Echo , Southampton City Council and the rest of the people moaning look at the real problem for the traffic in the city ? Ikea and west quay :( Why the hell did they put ikea where they did ? How many people visit ikea and west quay in a day ? And how many of them live in southampton ? So don`t blame the cruise companys Rant over[/p][/quote]The problem is that there are a few more cars on the road now than there was in 1881. As much as people arn't going to like this opinion, cycling could very well be the answer. Yes, I'm sure there are people that need to drive their cars during the day, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are fit and healthy enough to get on their bikes (literally) for most of their trips. Less cars on the road can only be a good thing for motorists, and more cyclists on the road will massive health benefits for the city as a whole, plus the money everyone would save on petrol would be huge, loads more money to spend on the kids at chrimbo... Just an idea (although I know it won't be a popular one)[/p][/quote]I think you should test the validity of your beliefs by standing outside some of the Southampton night clubs, restaurants and casinos for a few evenings to see how many you can sign up. For a change of scenery you could try asking the shoppers of places like West Quay if they could get their items on the crossbar. Are you under the illusion that the motorists go for a drive in to Southampton as a way of enjoying themselves in the same ay that you pedal for pleasure?[/p][/quote]Again being disingenuous, Torchie. Most people in cars are not shopping, either. And when they do they usually do that once a week. I've carried a couple of bottles of milk and bread on the bike no problem. I have even carried 40L bags full of cans of food. You can continue to sit in your car feeling miserable about traffic or you can do something about it. It wont fix itself, and the Council in all reality cannot fix this for you. Drivers cause the traffic, therefore they have to solve the traffic by using the alternatives.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is overly simplistic: 1) I work 10 miles outside of Southampton, near Totton.. I get 1 hour for lunch. 2) In the morning and afternoon, I drop my 1 year old daughter at nursery. The nursery is in Chandler's Ford. I finish work at 5pm and she needs picking up at 5:30. 3) I am in an office based role at work, hence I need to look presentable and smart when I am at work (not sweaty after a bike ride). Based on all the above, if I want to pop out to Southampton during my lunch hour to buy something, do you feel its conceivable and realistic that I get on a bike based on my circumstances above? And before you laugh and suggest my post is ridiculous, I wager a bet there are many people in the same position. What's the alternative? Cycling isn't an option if I need to drive into work anyway. The options as I see it - Buy online... Avoid Southampton... Go somewhere else. That's exactly what I am doing. Southampton is closed for business.[/p][/quote]1) I often ride 20 miles a day - from Thornhill to Totton area, its not a problem 2) You can get kiddie seats for 2 years up. (I have to wonder why people chose schools and nursery so far from home and work tbh) 3) Two of my Managers ride bikes. They wear suits, there are ways around the suit issue (like learning to pack, how to army wash if there is no shower, or simply that sweating often isnt a major problem for most people) Why would you do shopping during lunch? I think you're making excuses tbh and acting like a spoilt brat for the choices you yourself have made. .[/p][/quote]My God. They do walk amongst us...;). One pretty major point here I didn't add to my previous post. I'd like to stay alive so my daughter has a Dad for many years to come. I'm sorry, but I'm not risking life and limb on our dangerous roads just because you feel I am a 'spoilt brat'. I am a consumer, customer and have the right to choice. I choose not to support Southampton.[/p][/quote]And why is it so dangerous? Answer that?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer there.[/p][/quote]Exactly, because everyone drives too fast[/p][/quote]Your logic defies belief. Cycling is not an option for me. I'm not putting either myself or my daughter at risk, so stick your bikes up your ar$e. I do not have the time in my daily work day routine to support cycling. You expect me to fetch a 1 year old from nursery and put her on the back of a bike in the rain? You same idiotic bunch of Nazi's would be the same bunch who would label me an irresponsible parent if my daughter was killed or harmed in the process. All you've proved to me is that you're a bunch of senseless recluses who have nothing better to do than post idiotic opinions on this forum.[/p][/quote]Nobody is saying that YOU should ride a bike. I agree, it would be a ridiculous idea for you to do so in your situation. Some people however will sit in traffic for 5 miles, grumble at work and then on here, then sit in traffic going home - to take out their frustrations in the gym. THOSE people, get on a bike, cut your commute, get in on time and get healthier. It's not just an opinion, it's been proven. Just look at my legs! Look at them![/p][/quote]Exactly. I drive to work because it's a lote more convenient for me and for what I have to do, and I accept there will be traffic congestion. It's a given. What I don't do is go on and on and moan about how bad Southampton is, the way roads are built etc etc. I live in Southampton, I'm proud of Southampton (it isn't the best, and I don't care because I'm happy here) and I say to those who don't like to live here - f@ck off. p.s. camerajuan... your legs are ugly.[/p][/quote]Travesty! They look like bags of stones and feel just as firm! I'm hurt :( camerajuan
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