MEP to fight for port of Southampton

Daily Echo: Southampton Docks Southampton Docks

WE need to fight for our port! That was the message from a South East MEP after the EU Commission ratified the public funding of the Liverpool cruise terminal.

The decision appeared to end years of ‘cruise wars’ between Southampton and Liverpool but now Hampshire MPs and MEPs are looking at challenging it.

Southampton initially lobbied its rival to hand back the £17m joint UK and EU money in 2011 and prevent unfair competition – four years after the £21m terminal was completed in 2007.

South East MEP Peter Skinner said: “Measures should be taken to create jobs in north west England, but not at the expense of the south.

“I also question why the Commission did not follow in the footsteps of the UK government on this issue and ask for the money back.

“Decisions like these can always be challenged politically and now we have to look at the reasons for the decision and whether there are any issues. I will certainly be doing that and liaising with MPs in Southampton to take this further.”

Mr Skinner added that Southampton struggles to compete with other parts of the country for EU funding because south east England is seen as a wealthy area.

He said: “The reason why money is going to the north west rather than the south is it’s perceived the former has structural problems.

“In this case the EU’s money was given to Liverpool to encourage growth and expand jobs but it should not distort internal competition within the UK.

“Liverpool may always be open to some degree of funding from the EU because of its location, but it’s up to Southampton City Council and its officers to be proactive and pursue whatever funding they can.”

Meanwhile ABP Southampton would not be drawn on its reaction to the decision.

In a statement, port director Nick Ridehalgh said: "ABP notes the decision by the European Commission. We will continue to work hard to ensure the Port of Southampton delivers the best service for its cruise customers.

The cruise business makes a vital contribution to the local economy and that's why this is so important."

The Commission said the positive effects of the project will “outweigh potential distortions of competition”.

As reported by the Daily Echo, Liverpool has already paid back £8.8m of the £9.2m British taxpayers’ cash used to fund the project, which was topped up with £8.6m from EU Structural Funds.

The EU said both subsidies meet the union’s transport policy objectives without “unduly distorting” competition but it is unlikely Liverpool will be able to claim any money it has already paid back.

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7:36pm Thu 13 Mar 14

allstar says...

So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship.
I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace .
All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival .
and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!!
So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship. I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace . All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival . and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!! allstar
  • Score: 5

7:41pm Thu 13 Mar 14

mickey01 says...

peter skinner wants to get down here and see what a mess our council has made of the docks and the area around it and maybe he will realise what an uphill task he will have on his plate because it is a mess and its all down to the back hand receiving planning department of the council
peter skinner wants to get down here and see what a mess our council has made of the docks and the area around it and maybe he will realise what an uphill task he will have on his plate because it is a mess and its all down to the back hand receiving planning department of the council mickey01
  • Score: 3

9:28pm Thu 13 Mar 14

fishingnut says...

2 ships in port and drivers advised to stay away to avoid gridlock traffic :-D This city is a joke and its not worth fighting for!!!.
2 ships in port and drivers advised to stay away to avoid gridlock traffic :-D This city is a joke and its not worth fighting for!!!. fishingnut
  • Score: 3

9:31pm Thu 13 Mar 14

jackois says...

I suspect that there's an EU election due... that's when our MEP's start to show face again...
I suspect that there's an EU election due... that's when our MEP's start to show face again... jackois
  • Score: 2

9:50pm Thu 13 Mar 14

lewissv says...

mickey01 wrote:
peter skinner wants to get down here and see what a mess our council has made of the docks and the area around it and maybe he will realise what an uphill task he will have on his plate because it is a mess and its all down to the back hand receiving planning department of the council
Rather embarrassing when just 2 stories below this one I read about the traffic chaos that may potentially occur ,again, due to cruise ships, roadworks & other traffic in the city.
Just move on & use this as a kick up the rear & the wake up call that is needed. It's really becoming rather tiresome.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: peter skinner wants to get down here and see what a mess our council has made of the docks and the area around it and maybe he will realise what an uphill task he will have on his plate because it is a mess and its all down to the back hand receiving planning department of the council[/p][/quote]Rather embarrassing when just 2 stories below this one I read about the traffic chaos that may potentially occur ,again, due to cruise ships, roadworks & other traffic in the city. Just move on & use this as a kick up the rear & the wake up call that is needed. It's really becoming rather tiresome. lewissv
  • Score: 2

10:20pm Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below.
This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!!
As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below. This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!! in search of the truth
  • Score: 7

10:53pm Thu 13 Mar 14

derek james says...

in search of the truth wrote:
As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below.
This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!!
cunard ceased to exist as a company a long time ago and the name is now owned by carnival (i believe) and used in the same way austin and morris names were used on cars made by british leyland.they will base their ships where there is most demand for their cruises which presumably will be in the south where most money is
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below. This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!![/p][/quote]cunard ceased to exist as a company a long time ago and the name is now owned by carnival (i believe) and used in the same way austin and morris names were used on cars made by british leyland.they will base their ships where there is most demand for their cruises which presumably will be in the south where most money is derek james
  • Score: 1

10:59pm Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Liverpool has been named the UK’S best port of call by the world’s largest travel review website

‘Cruise Critic’ – sister site of ‘Trip Advisor’ - named the city as their top pick based on the warm welcome visitors receive when they arrive in Liverpool, the historic architecture and the fact that so many attractions are within a half hour walk of the terminal.

They also highlighted the benefits of the city’s recently constructed turnaround terminal.

The awards celebrate excellence in cruise travel, and are selected by an international panel of cruise journalists in 18 different categories, recognising the very best cruise lines, ships and ports.

Adam Coulter, UK Editor of Cruise Critic, said: “For Beatles fans and football fans alike, Liverpool is a place of pilgrimage, and the centrally located, historic port is convenient for cruise visitors, offering plenty to see and do without going far from the ship.

“Highlights of the city’s maritime history include the Albert Dock and Pier Head, which features the Liver building, the Port of Liverpool building and the soon-to-be- refurbished Cunard Building.“

Liverpool City Council’s cabinet member for culture and tourism, Councillor Wendy Simon, said: “We are delighted with this accolade! Cruise critic is a hugely respected website and a must-visit for anyone taking a cruise.

“Liverpool’s win is thoroughly deserved – the team at the terminal, along with representatives from our tourist industry go above and beyond to welcome people to the city and make it a memorable trip for them.

“I’m sure this recognition will encourage even more people to choose Liverpool as a destination to travel to and from which will be a great boost for the city.“

Angie Redhead, Cruise & Operations Manager PFSO at Liverpool Cruise Terminal, Princes Dock, said: “This is a fantastic way to top off the strongest year the cruise terminal has had since it opened in 2007. Liverpool has so much to offer visitors, from culture and history to shopping and sightseeing and it is pleasing to be acknowledged in this way.

“Almost all of the passengers coming through the terminal have said they would recommend the city as a destination not to be missed and have cited the beauty of the city and the friendliness of the people. We have a busy schedule of cruise liners confirmed for next year so it is full steam ahead including overnight stays from the Queen Victoria and Celebrity Infinity.“

In addition to the award for Best UK Port of Call, the Editors’ Picks Awards also name the best cruise lines and ships in 17 other categories. Of those categories, several awards went to cruise lines that call at Liverpool including:

· Celebrity Cruises: Best Suites; Best Cruise Ship Bar (SKY Bar)

· Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines: Best Value for Money

· Thomson Cruises: Best for Cruising with Kids

· Princess Cruises: Best for Romance
Liverpool has been named the UK’S best port of call by the world’s largest travel review website ‘Cruise Critic’ – sister site of ‘Trip Advisor’ - named the city as their top pick based on the warm welcome visitors receive when they arrive in Liverpool, the historic architecture and the fact that so many attractions are within a half hour walk of the terminal. They also highlighted the benefits of the city’s recently constructed turnaround terminal. The awards celebrate excellence in cruise travel, and are selected by an international panel of cruise journalists in 18 different categories, recognising the very best cruise lines, ships and ports. Adam Coulter, UK Editor of Cruise Critic, said: “For Beatles fans and football fans alike, Liverpool is a place of pilgrimage, and the centrally located, historic port is convenient for cruise visitors, offering plenty to see and do without going far from the ship. “Highlights of the city’s maritime history include the Albert Dock and Pier Head, which features the Liver building, the Port of Liverpool building and the soon-to-be- refurbished Cunard Building.“ Liverpool City Council’s cabinet member for culture and tourism, Councillor Wendy Simon, said: “We are delighted with this accolade! Cruise critic is a hugely respected website and a must-visit for anyone taking a cruise. “Liverpool’s win is thoroughly deserved – the team at the terminal, along with representatives from our tourist industry go above and beyond to welcome people to the city and make it a memorable trip for them. “I’m sure this recognition will encourage even more people to choose Liverpool as a destination to travel to and from which will be a great boost for the city.“ Angie Redhead, Cruise & Operations Manager PFSO at Liverpool Cruise Terminal, Princes Dock, said: “This is a fantastic way to top off the strongest year the cruise terminal has had since it opened in 2007. Liverpool has so much to offer visitors, from culture and history to shopping and sightseeing and it is pleasing to be acknowledged in this way. “Almost all of the passengers coming through the terminal have said they would recommend the city as a destination not to be missed and have cited the beauty of the city and the friendliness of the people. We have a busy schedule of cruise liners confirmed for next year so it is full steam ahead including overnight stays from the Queen Victoria and Celebrity Infinity.“ In addition to the award for Best UK Port of Call, the Editors’ Picks Awards also name the best cruise lines and ships in 17 other categories. Of those categories, several awards went to cruise lines that call at Liverpool including: · Celebrity Cruises: Best Suites; Best Cruise Ship Bar (SKY Bar) · Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines: Best Value for Money · Thomson Cruises: Best for Cruising with Kids · Princess Cruises: Best for Romance in search of the truth
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11:13pm Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

derek james wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below.
This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!!
cunard ceased to exist as a company a long time ago and the name is now owned by carnival (i believe) and used in the same way austin and morris names were used on cars made by british leyland.they will base their ships where there is most demand for their cruises which presumably will be in the south where most money is
My advice to you is this ......... You presume too much !
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below. This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!![/p][/quote]cunard ceased to exist as a company a long time ago and the name is now owned by carnival (i believe) and used in the same way austin and morris names were used on cars made by british leyland.they will base their ships where there is most demand for their cruises which presumably will be in the south where most money is[/p][/quote]My advice to you is this ......... You presume too much ! in search of the truth
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5:22am Fri 14 Mar 14

arizonan says...

derek james wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below.
This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!!
cunard ceased to exist as a company a long time ago and the name is now owned by carnival (i believe) and used in the same way austin and morris names were used on cars made by british leyland.they will base their ships where there is most demand for their cruises which presumably will be in the south where most money is
That is why all the berths from Liverpool on the 175 crossing are fully booked, but all the range of berths from Southampton are available !.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below. This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!![/p][/quote]cunard ceased to exist as a company a long time ago and the name is now owned by carnival (i believe) and used in the same way austin and morris names were used on cars made by british leyland.they will base their ships where there is most demand for their cruises which presumably will be in the south where most money is[/p][/quote]That is why all the berths from Liverpool on the 175 crossing are fully booked, but all the range of berths from Southampton are available !. arizonan
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5:28am Fri 14 Mar 14

arizonan says...

Tel me Mr. MEP, how many jobs have been lost at Southampton as a result of Liverpool receiving EU grant / turnaround status?
Tel me Mr. MEP, how many jobs have been lost at Southampton as a result of Liverpool receiving EU grant / turnaround status? arizonan
  • Score: 3

6:49am Fri 14 Mar 14

loosehead says...

One easy answer to this EU rubbish vote UKIP get the hell out of the EU & let all grants/funding come from our own government.
they will be 12billion a year better off.
The EU or commission have made decisions that have cost this city in at least a thousand jobs now we will have to wait & see if this latest decision has any major impact on the job front.
But vote either Tory (referendum) or UKIP let's govern ourselves again
One easy answer to this EU rubbish vote UKIP get the hell out of the EU & let all grants/funding come from our own government. they will be 12billion a year better off. The EU or commission have made decisions that have cost this city in at least a thousand jobs now we will have to wait & see if this latest decision has any major impact on the job front. But vote either Tory (referendum) or UKIP let's govern ourselves again loosehead
  • Score: -3

8:02am Fri 14 Mar 14

tootle says...

Another MEP canvassing for votes. Wonders what he has been doing on our behalf for the last few years?
Another MEP canvassing for votes. Wonders what he has been doing on our behalf for the last few years? tootle
  • Score: 3

8:32am Fri 14 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

I think it's rather strange that people on this posting go on about how marvelous a port, Southampton is and that nobody would want to cruise from Liverpool, also no cruise line with any business sense would ever seriously arrange for a large number of cruises from Liverpool.

Since that must be the case due to Southampton being such a super dooper, fantastic world renowned No 1 cruise port in the whole of Europe, with a near monopoly of the cruise trade in the UK and Liverpool only has a tiny, tiny percentage of the cruise trade in the UK.

Since you all believe this fairy tale about Southampton, why do you keep referring to Liverpool as your rival if it is that small compared to Southampton.

I'll tell you why, because you are petrified by the developments that are beginning to take shape . You have been living in a dream world with your eyes closed ( a little world where Southampton is forever No 1 in the cruise world ) .

Wakey, wakey Southampton change is on its way and the cruise industry knows it. Tilbury offers cruisers better access to London so you'll have to drop the title Southampton Port ( London ). Liverpool offers fantastic architecture, museums and other attractions and has just been voted best UK port to visit.
I think it's rather strange that people on this posting go on about how marvelous a port, Southampton is and that nobody would want to cruise from Liverpool, also no cruise line with any business sense would ever seriously arrange for a large number of cruises from Liverpool. Since that must be the case due to Southampton being such a super dooper, fantastic world renowned No 1 cruise port in the whole of Europe, with a near monopoly of the cruise trade in the UK and Liverpool only has a tiny, tiny percentage of the cruise trade in the UK. Since you all believe this fairy tale about Southampton, why do you keep referring to Liverpool as your rival if it is that small compared to Southampton. I'll tell you why, because you are petrified by the developments that are beginning to take shape . You have been living in a dream world with your eyes closed ( a little world where Southampton is forever No 1 in the cruise world ) . Wakey, wakey Southampton change is on its way and the cruise industry knows it. Tilbury offers cruisers better access to London so you'll have to drop the title Southampton Port ( London ). Liverpool offers fantastic architecture, museums and other attractions and has just been voted best UK port to visit. in search of the truth
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10:13am Fri 14 Mar 14

phil maccavity says...

arizonan wrote:
derek james wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below.
This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!!
cunard ceased to exist as a company a long time ago and the name is now owned by carnival (i believe) and used in the same way austin and morris names were used on cars made by british leyland.they will base their ships where there is most demand for their cruises which presumably will be in the south where most money is
That is why all the berths from Liverpool on the 175 crossing are fully booked, but all the range of berths from Southampton are available !.
So how many berths were available from Liverpool
20, 200, 2,000?
Interesting that someone I spoke to at Liverpool Cruise Club said that the Liverpool allocation had to be limited ' to a few hundred due to the limited handling capacity of the terminal..'
Presumably the new facility at the Cunard building won't be open for the 175 year anniversary after all
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below. This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!![/p][/quote]cunard ceased to exist as a company a long time ago and the name is now owned by carnival (i believe) and used in the same way austin and morris names were used on cars made by british leyland.they will base their ships where there is most demand for their cruises which presumably will be in the south where most money is[/p][/quote]That is why all the berths from Liverpool on the 175 crossing are fully booked, but all the range of berths from Southampton are available !.[/p][/quote]So how many berths were available from Liverpool 20, 200, 2,000? Interesting that someone I spoke to at Liverpool Cruise Club said that the Liverpool allocation had to be limited ' to a few hundred due to the limited handling capacity of the terminal..' Presumably the new facility at the Cunard building won't be open for the 175 year anniversary after all phil maccavity
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10:24am Fri 14 Mar 14

phil maccavity says...

in search of the truth wrote:
As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below.
This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!!
Re the Liverpool Waters scheme - last time I looked there was just the one Cruise terminal planned (at Waterloo Dock area if my memory serves me correct) in amongst 9,000 + apartments, hotels and retail (potential traffic issues perhaps??)
Will this terminal have two berths as you suggest?
Peel reckon that Liverpool Waters has a 20+ year development horizon, subject to prevailing market conditions.
The good thing is, if this goes ahead, then at least there is a good chance it will be privately funded and there will be fair competition.
Interesting to see if Peel will then purchase the current cruise terminal off LCC or whether they will compete for Liverpool cruise trade.
That would be interesting
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below. This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!![/p][/quote]Re the Liverpool Waters scheme - last time I looked there was just the one Cruise terminal planned (at Waterloo Dock area if my memory serves me correct) in amongst 9,000 + apartments, hotels and retail (potential traffic issues perhaps??) Will this terminal have two berths as you suggest? Peel reckon that Liverpool Waters has a 20+ year development horizon, subject to prevailing market conditions. The good thing is, if this goes ahead, then at least there is a good chance it will be privately funded and there will be fair competition. Interesting to see if Peel will then purchase the current cruise terminal off LCC or whether they will compete for Liverpool cruise trade. That would be interesting phil maccavity
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10:39am Fri 14 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
I think it's rather strange that people on this posting go on about how marvelous a port, Southampton is and that nobody would want to cruise from Liverpool, also no cruise line with any business sense would ever seriously arrange for a large number of cruises from Liverpool.

Since that must be the case due to Southampton being such a super dooper, fantastic world renowned No 1 cruise port in the whole of Europe, with a near monopoly of the cruise trade in the UK and Liverpool only has a tiny, tiny percentage of the cruise trade in the UK.

Since you all believe this fairy tale about Southampton, why do you keep referring to Liverpool as your rival if it is that small compared to Southampton.

I'll tell you why, because you are petrified by the developments that are beginning to take shape . You have been living in a dream world with your eyes closed ( a little world where Southampton is forever No 1 in the cruise world ) .

Wakey, wakey Southampton change is on its way and the cruise industry knows it. Tilbury offers cruisers better access to London so you'll have to drop the title Southampton Port ( London ). Liverpool offers fantastic architecture, museums and other attractions and has just been voted best UK port to visit.
there is only one major issue this city & ABP have with Liverpool it's not fair & open competition it's how your Council lied through their back teeth to get two grants for a turnaround facility which they never ever wanted.
Labour saw this & refused a change of use but for some weird maybe Liberal decision this government allowed it but said the money or a portion should be paid back.
Now if you & your council think it's going to be a great money spinner then why not pay all the money back & stop the critics?
I read ABP saying fair privately funded competition they were happy with so they're not saying you shouldn't have this facility all they're saying is the way you went about funding it was wrong & liars shouldn't be allowed to benefit from their lies or can't you see that?
Pay off both grants & good luck to you & your cities aims at bringing back cruise ships!
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: I think it's rather strange that people on this posting go on about how marvelous a port, Southampton is and that nobody would want to cruise from Liverpool, also no cruise line with any business sense would ever seriously arrange for a large number of cruises from Liverpool. Since that must be the case due to Southampton being such a super dooper, fantastic world renowned No 1 cruise port in the whole of Europe, with a near monopoly of the cruise trade in the UK and Liverpool only has a tiny, tiny percentage of the cruise trade in the UK. Since you all believe this fairy tale about Southampton, why do you keep referring to Liverpool as your rival if it is that small compared to Southampton. I'll tell you why, because you are petrified by the developments that are beginning to take shape . You have been living in a dream world with your eyes closed ( a little world where Southampton is forever No 1 in the cruise world ) . Wakey, wakey Southampton change is on its way and the cruise industry knows it. Tilbury offers cruisers better access to London so you'll have to drop the title Southampton Port ( London ). Liverpool offers fantastic architecture, museums and other attractions and has just been voted best UK port to visit.[/p][/quote]there is only one major issue this city & ABP have with Liverpool it's not fair & open competition it's how your Council lied through their back teeth to get two grants for a turnaround facility which they never ever wanted. Labour saw this & refused a change of use but for some weird maybe Liberal decision this government allowed it but said the money or a portion should be paid back. Now if you & your council think it's going to be a great money spinner then why not pay all the money back & stop the critics? I read ABP saying fair privately funded competition they were happy with so they're not saying you shouldn't have this facility all they're saying is the way you went about funding it was wrong & liars shouldn't be allowed to benefit from their lies or can't you see that? Pay off both grants & good luck to you & your cities aims at bringing back cruise ships! loosehead
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11:31am Mon 17 Mar 14

AlwynM says...

allstar wrote:
So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship.
I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace .
All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival .
and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!!
That sounds really dangerous. Do all cruise customers have to go through this?

It sounds like there is a lot of work to do and some head need to be banged together.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship. I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace . All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival . and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!![/p][/quote]That sounds really dangerous. Do all cruise customers have to go through this? It sounds like there is a lot of work to do and some head need to be banged together. AlwynM
  • Score: 2

11:48am Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

allstar wrote:
So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship.
I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace .
All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival .
and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!!
What you've got to get into your head is this is a working docks not just a cruise ship terminal & boarding dock.
I've walked through the docks as once upon a time I worked at dock gate ten & there are adequate pavements but if you wish to ignore these & walk on the road that's your choice,
Maybe you could get together with another passenger & get a taxi straight to the ship?
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship. I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace . All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival . and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!![/p][/quote]What you've got to get into your head is this is a working docks not just a cruise ship terminal & boarding dock. I've walked through the docks as once upon a time I worked at dock gate ten & there are adequate pavements but if you wish to ignore these & walk on the road that's your choice, Maybe you could get together with another passenger & get a taxi straight to the ship? loosehead
  • Score: 0

12:14pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Tom Liverpool says...

loosehead wrote:
allstar wrote:
So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship.
I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace .
All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival .
and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!!
What you've got to get into your head is this is a working docks not just a cruise ship terminal & boarding dock.
I've walked through the docks as once upon a time I worked at dock gate ten & there are adequate pavements but if you wish to ignore these & walk on the road that's your choice,
Maybe you could get together with another passenger & get a taxi straight to the ship?
Loosehead, the point made is very valid, Southampton is a working port and I have always accepted it as that, but the road system should be changed to make it less dangerous for passengers. Maybe using some of the areas in front of the terminal buildings for more extensive and pick up and drop off facilities. Or as in Liverpool separate the cargo traffic from the cruise traffic, thus providing a pleasing environment for passengers, after all boarding ship is a major part of the holiday.
I accept that this would be expensive, but surely grants would be available for such a project. Look at Savona in NW ITALY (near GENOA), on the internet and see what a cruise terminal should be like, operated by Costa Cruises, I don't know if Costa or the local authority own it but it's a pleasure to embark there.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship. I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace . All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival . and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!![/p][/quote]What you've got to get into your head is this is a working docks not just a cruise ship terminal & boarding dock. I've walked through the docks as once upon a time I worked at dock gate ten & there are adequate pavements but if you wish to ignore these & walk on the road that's your choice, Maybe you could get together with another passenger & get a taxi straight to the ship?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, the point made is very valid, Southampton is a working port and I have always accepted it as that, but the road system should be changed to make it less dangerous for passengers. Maybe using some of the areas in front of the terminal buildings for more extensive and pick up and drop off facilities. Or as in Liverpool separate the cargo traffic from the cruise traffic, thus providing a pleasing environment for passengers, after all boarding ship is a major part of the holiday. I accept that this would be expensive, but surely grants would be available for such a project. Look at Savona in NW ITALY (near GENOA), on the internet and see what a cruise terminal should be like, operated by Costa Cruises, I don't know if Costa or the local authority own it but it's a pleasure to embark there. Tom Liverpool
  • Score: 0

2:47pm Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Tom Liverpool wrote:
loosehead wrote:
allstar wrote:
So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship.
I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace .
All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival .
and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!!
What you've got to get into your head is this is a working docks not just a cruise ship terminal & boarding dock.
I've walked through the docks as once upon a time I worked at dock gate ten & there are adequate pavements but if you wish to ignore these & walk on the road that's your choice,
Maybe you could get together with another passenger & get a taxi straight to the ship?
Loosehead, the point made is very valid, Southampton is a working port and I have always accepted it as that, but the road system should be changed to make it less dangerous for passengers. Maybe using some of the areas in front of the terminal buildings for more extensive and pick up and drop off facilities. Or as in Liverpool separate the cargo traffic from the cruise traffic, thus providing a pleasing environment for passengers, after all boarding ship is a major part of the holiday.
I accept that this would be expensive, but surely grants would be available for such a project. Look at Savona in NW ITALY (near GENOA), on the internet and see what a cruise terminal should be like, operated by Costa Cruises, I don't know if Costa or the local authority own it but it's a pleasure to embark there.
Tom it use to be that the old docks had the bulk of cruise ship visits (Cunard,P&O) & the Union Castle mail ships docked in the new docks but with the ships of all types getting bigger only dock gate 4's berths seem to be deep enough in the old docks for those ships so almost all ships now dock in the new docks(Western) so for anyone to read a lot of posts here you'd think the cruise ships were the traffic problem which they're not but badly thought out timings of road works are.
Tom in the new/western dock there's one entrance right off of the motorway into the docks straight to the Cruise ship terminals (dock gate 20)
Then there's a three lane road going straight to dock gate ten & a dual carriageway to dock gate 8.
the problem is no one seems to know or want to use dockgate 10 or 20 which causes road chaos if they used these gates there would be absolutely no road trouble on the west of the city.
but if walking there is adequate footpaths through the docks look it up on Google Maps
[quote][p][bold]Tom Liverpool[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: So The M.E.P wants to fight his corner for the cruise terminal in Southampton I suggest that he gets off his back side and tries walking to the ships that are in the docks , The service is crap for those that try to walk to a ship. I see the plush offices that Carnival provided at great expense at Harbour parade , The walk to a ship is both dangerous having to dodge rubbish and poorly maintained pavements what a welcome to Southampton , The dockyard resembles a third world country and is a disgrace . All these people care about is cash for the fat cats at ABP and Carnival . and we all no that MPs are way out of touch . So welcome to Southampton and if you have to walk please take care as you dodge the grain lorries , Container lorries , Dodgy paving , and rubbish !!![/p][/quote]What you've got to get into your head is this is a working docks not just a cruise ship terminal & boarding dock. I've walked through the docks as once upon a time I worked at dock gate ten & there are adequate pavements but if you wish to ignore these & walk on the road that's your choice, Maybe you could get together with another passenger & get a taxi straight to the ship?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, the point made is very valid, Southampton is a working port and I have always accepted it as that, but the road system should be changed to make it less dangerous for passengers. Maybe using some of the areas in front of the terminal buildings for more extensive and pick up and drop off facilities. Or as in Liverpool separate the cargo traffic from the cruise traffic, thus providing a pleasing environment for passengers, after all boarding ship is a major part of the holiday. I accept that this would be expensive, but surely grants would be available for such a project. Look at Savona in NW ITALY (near GENOA), on the internet and see what a cruise terminal should be like, operated by Costa Cruises, I don't know if Costa or the local authority own it but it's a pleasure to embark there.[/p][/quote]Tom it use to be that the old docks had the bulk of cruise ship visits (Cunard,P&O) & the Union Castle mail ships docked in the new docks but with the ships of all types getting bigger only dock gate 4's berths seem to be deep enough in the old docks for those ships so almost all ships now dock in the new docks(Western) so for anyone to read a lot of posts here you'd think the cruise ships were the traffic problem which they're not but badly thought out timings of road works are. Tom in the new/western dock there's one entrance right off of the motorway into the docks straight to the Cruise ship terminals (dock gate 20) Then there's a three lane road going straight to dock gate ten & a dual carriageway to dock gate 8. the problem is no one seems to know or want to use dockgate 10 or 20 which causes road chaos if they used these gates there would be absolutely no road trouble on the west of the city. but if walking there is adequate footpaths through the docks look it up on Google Maps loosehead
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5:45pm Mon 17 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

GREAT NEWS

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada
Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool

The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year.

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015.

These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago.

The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port.

Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal.

Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite.

The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise.

This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24).

At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings.

The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising.

Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades.

“Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers.

“Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it!

“Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave.

“You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return.

“Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.”

Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.
GREAT NEWS Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year. Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015. These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago. The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port. Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal. Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite. The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise. This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24). At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings. The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising. Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades. “Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers. “Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it! “Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave. “You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return. “Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.” Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands. in search of the truth
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5:48pm Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
GREAT NEWS

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada
Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool

The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year.

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015.

These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago.

The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port.

Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal.

Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite.

The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise.

This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24).

At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings.

The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising.

Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades.

“Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers.

“Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it!

“Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave.

“You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return.

“Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.”

Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.
Fred Olsen Lines? wasn't that the company Portsmouth were actively chasing?
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: GREAT NEWS Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year. Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015. These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago. The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port. Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal. Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite. The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise. This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24). At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings. The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising. Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades. “Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers. “Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it! “Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave. “You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return. “Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.” Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.[/p][/quote]Fred Olsen Lines? wasn't that the company Portsmouth were actively chasing? loosehead
  • Score: 0

5:48pm Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
GREAT NEWS

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada
Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool

The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year.

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015.

These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago.

The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port.

Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal.

Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite.

The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise.

This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24).

At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings.

The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising.

Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades.

“Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers.

“Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it!

“Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave.

“You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return.

“Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.”

Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.
Fred Olsen Lines? wasn't that the company Portsmouth were actively chasing?
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: GREAT NEWS Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year. Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015. These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago. The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port. Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal. Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite. The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise. This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24). At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings. The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising. Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades. “Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers. “Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it! “Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave. “You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return. “Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.” Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.[/p][/quote]Fred Olsen Lines? wasn't that the company Portsmouth were actively chasing? loosehead
  • Score: 0

5:48pm Mon 17 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

n search of the truth wrote:
GREAT NEWS

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada
Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool

The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year.

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015.

These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago.

The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port.

Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal.

Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite.

The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise.

This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24).

At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings.

The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising.

Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades.

“Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers.

“Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it!

“Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave.

“You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return.

“Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.”

Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.

I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location.

If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see...

http://www.liverpool

echo.co.uk/news/live

rpool-news/liverpool

-set-first-canada-tr

ansatlantic-6842270
n search of the truth wrote: GREAT NEWS Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year. Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015. These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago. The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port. Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal. Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite. The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise. This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24). At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings. The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising. Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades. “Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers. “Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it! “Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave. “You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return. “Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.” Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands. I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location. If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see... http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-news/liverpool -set-first-canada-tr ansatlantic-6842270 in search of the truth
  • Score: -1

6:19pm Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
n search of the truth wrote:
GREAT NEWS

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada
Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool

The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year.

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015.

These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago.

The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port.

Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal.

Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite.

The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise.

This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24).

At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings.

The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising.

Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades.

“Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers.

“Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it!

“Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave.

“You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return.

“Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.”

Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.

I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location.

If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see...

http://www.liverpool


echo.co.uk/news/live


rpool-news/liverpool


-set-first-canada-tr


ansatlantic-6842270
pokey ships with a pokey line well done
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: n search of the truth wrote: GREAT NEWS Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year. Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015. These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago. The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port. Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal. Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite. The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise. This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24). At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings. The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising. Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades. “Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers. “Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it! “Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave. “You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return. “Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.” Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands. I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location. If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see... http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-news/liverpool -set-first-canada-tr ansatlantic-6842270[/p][/quote]pokey ships with a pokey line well done loosehead
  • Score: -3

7:11pm Mon 17 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
n search of the truth wrote:
GREAT NEWS

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada
Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool

The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year.

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015.

These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago.

The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port.

Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal.

Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite.

The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise.

This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24).

At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings.

The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising.

Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades.

“Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers.

“Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it!

“Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave.

“You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return.

“Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.”

Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.

I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location.

If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see...

http://www.liverpool



echo.co.uk/news/live



rpool-news/liverpool



-set-first-canada-tr



ansatlantic-6842270
pokey ships with a pokey line well done
TEMPER, TEMPER Loosehead.

It's all about an expanding market, giving customers choice without having to make that ridiculous journey to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops in Southampton.

Power to the cruise customers and even more choice on the way.

I wonder what other choices are lurking over the horizon for cruise passengers next year from all ports other than Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: n search of the truth wrote: GREAT NEWS Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year. Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015. These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago. The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port. Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal. Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite. The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise. This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24). At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings. The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising. Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades. “Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers. “Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it! “Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave. “You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return. “Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.” Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands. I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location. If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see... http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-news/liverpool -set-first-canada-tr ansatlantic-6842270[/p][/quote]pokey ships with a pokey line well done[/p][/quote]TEMPER, TEMPER Loosehead. It's all about an expanding market, giving customers choice without having to make that ridiculous journey to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops in Southampton. Power to the cruise customers and even more choice on the way. I wonder what other choices are lurking over the horizon for cruise passengers next year from all ports other than Southampton. in search of the truth
  • Score: 5

9:17pm Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
n search of the truth wrote:
GREAT NEWS

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada
Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool

The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year.

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015.

These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago.

The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port.

Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal.

Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite.

The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise.

This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24).

At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings.

The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising.

Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades.

“Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers.

“Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it!

“Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave.

“You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return.

“Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.”

Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.

I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location.

If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see...

http://www.liverpool




echo.co.uk/news/live




rpool-news/liverpool




-set-first-canada-tr




ansatlantic-6842270
pokey ships with a pokey line well done
TEMPER, TEMPER Loosehead.

It's all about an expanding market, giving customers choice without having to make that ridiculous journey to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops in Southampton.

Power to the cruise customers and even more choice on the way.

I wonder what other choices are lurking over the horizon for cruise passengers next year from all ports other than Southampton.
I wasn't losing my temper but this line came here for a very short time & was being chased by Portsmouth.
If your council had told the truth when applying for those grants & had talked to ports like Southampton then maybe the trade that's gone to Portsmouth could have gone to Liverpool & many middle sized ships could have gone your way with turnarounds from the bigger ships .
but your council thought that getting Portsmouth's backing was great whilst all along they were preparing to stab you in the back so why no venom from you towards Portsmouth's U-Turn?
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: n search of the truth wrote: GREAT NEWS Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year. Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015. These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago. The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port. Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal. Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite. The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise. This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24). At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings. The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising. Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades. “Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers. “Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it! “Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave. “You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return. “Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.” Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands. I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location. If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see... http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-news/liverpool -set-first-canada-tr ansatlantic-6842270[/p][/quote]pokey ships with a pokey line well done[/p][/quote]TEMPER, TEMPER Loosehead. It's all about an expanding market, giving customers choice without having to make that ridiculous journey to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops in Southampton. Power to the cruise customers and even more choice on the way. I wonder what other choices are lurking over the horizon for cruise passengers next year from all ports other than Southampton.[/p][/quote]I wasn't losing my temper but this line came here for a very short time & was being chased by Portsmouth. If your council had told the truth when applying for those grants & had talked to ports like Southampton then maybe the trade that's gone to Portsmouth could have gone to Liverpool & many middle sized ships could have gone your way with turnarounds from the bigger ships . but your council thought that getting Portsmouth's backing was great whilst all along they were preparing to stab you in the back so why no venom from you towards Portsmouth's U-Turn? loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:10pm Mon 17 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool.
Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers.

That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock .

SAFETY.
Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool. Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers. That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock . SAFETY. in search of the truth
  • Score: 1

8:02am Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool.
Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers.

That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock .

SAFETY.
i never disputed that did I?
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool. Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers. That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock . SAFETY.[/p][/quote]i never disputed that did I? loosehead
  • Score: 0

8:10am Tue 18 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool.
Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers.

That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock .

SAFETY.
i never disputed that did I?
The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ).

But of course you have other idea's about that.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool. Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers. That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock . SAFETY.[/p][/quote]i never disputed that did I?[/p][/quote]The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ). But of course you have other idea's about that. in search of the truth
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool.
Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers.

That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock .

SAFETY.
i never disputed that did I?
The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ).

But of course you have other idea's about that.
so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility?
Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use?
this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it?
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool. Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers. That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock . SAFETY.[/p][/quote]i never disputed that did I?[/p][/quote]The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ). But of course you have other idea's about that.[/p][/quote]so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility? Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use? this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it? loosehead
  • Score: 0

7:58am Thu 20 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool.
Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers.

That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock .

SAFETY.
i never disputed that did I?
The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ).

But of course you have other idea's about that.
so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility?
Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use?
this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it?
I'll try and answer your questions ------

why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility?

When the whole idea about a new floating facility was put forward by the Liberal Democrats who were in control of Liverpool City Council, the city had turn-arounds operating from Langton Dock. This dock has a restricted entrance from the river for details see ------

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/File:Dkbkpl
26.jpg

The new floating facility was provided so that more visitors could sail into the renowned " World Heritage Site " which exists at the PierHead and in 5 associated area's around the city, plus a huge variety of other attractions of interest to tourists.
It was only when operators using Langton Dock began raising safety fears and Fred Olsen withdrawing his sailings from Liverpool that suggestions were made that another option using the floating facility should be considered.

Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use?

Probably for the reason you surmised in an earlier post.

Quote .........

Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports? the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they wanted to win Londoners votes?

----------------

The fact of the matter is it was for safety reasons, which you don't want to accept. If Labour's reason was politcally motivated that was then , times change and a government not particularly known as pro Liverpool decided after looking at the safety issues that this other facility could and should be used for turn-arounds.

They are the facts.

END OF LESSON !! GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool. Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers. That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock . SAFETY.[/p][/quote]i never disputed that did I?[/p][/quote]The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ). But of course you have other idea's about that.[/p][/quote]so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility? Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use? this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it?[/p][/quote]I'll try and answer your questions ------ why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility? When the whole idea about a new floating facility was put forward by the Liberal Democrats who were in control of Liverpool City Council, the city had turn-arounds operating from Langton Dock. This dock has a restricted entrance from the river for details see ------ http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/File:Dkbkpl 26.jpg The new floating facility was provided so that more visitors could sail into the renowned " World Heritage Site " which exists at the PierHead and in 5 associated area's around the city, plus a huge variety of other attractions of interest to tourists. It was only when operators using Langton Dock began raising safety fears and Fred Olsen withdrawing his sailings from Liverpool that suggestions were made that another option using the floating facility should be considered. Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use? Probably for the reason you surmised in an earlier post. Quote ......... Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports? the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they wanted to win Londoners votes? ---------------- The fact of the matter is it was for safety reasons, which you don't want to accept. If Labour's reason was politcally motivated that was then , times change and a government not particularly known as pro Liverpool decided after looking at the safety issues that this other facility could and should be used for turn-arounds. They are the facts. END OF LESSON !! GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE. in search of the truth
  • Score: 2

11:53am Thu 20 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool.
Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers.

That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock .

SAFETY.
i never disputed that did I?
The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ).

But of course you have other idea's about that.
so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility?
Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use?
this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it?
I'll try and answer your questions ------

why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility?

When the whole idea about a new floating facility was put forward by the Liberal Democrats who were in control of Liverpool City Council, the city had turn-arounds operating from Langton Dock. This dock has a restricted entrance from the river for details see ------

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/File:Dkbkpl

26.jpg

The new floating facility was provided so that more visitors could sail into the renowned " World Heritage Site " which exists at the PierHead and in 5 associated area's around the city, plus a huge variety of other attractions of interest to tourists.
It was only when operators using Langton Dock began raising safety fears and Fred Olsen withdrawing his sailings from Liverpool that suggestions were made that another option using the floating facility should be considered.

Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use?

Probably for the reason you surmised in an earlier post.

Quote .........

Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports? the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they wanted to win Londoners votes?

----------------

The fact of the matter is it was for safety reasons, which you don't want to accept. If Labour's reason was politcally motivated that was then , times change and a government not particularly known as pro Liverpool decided after looking at the safety issues that this other facility could and should be used for turn-arounds.

They are the facts.

END OF LESSON !! GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE.
let's look at what this government has done for Liverpool shall we?
Motor plants saved with Union & Government help & more local people taken on.
Under EU Law no state subsidise should be given to allow unfair competition which is exactly what happened once the turnaround status was changed. Yet Liverpools beloved Labour Government refused to change it & this not known to be pro Liverpool government allowed it so I think it's about time the people of Liverpool woke up to the fact that Labour only want's to help you when they want your votes.
Will these decisions get Scousers to vote Tory? I doubt it yet according to politicians the Tories who supposedly only look after the Tory rich South allowed you to go into open competition with a POOR southern city?
so who is this government really looking out for? Southampton or Liverpool?
Oh! & this government okayed an EU loan to Turkey to build a new van plant & take work from this city.
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool. Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers. That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock . SAFETY.[/p][/quote]i never disputed that did I?[/p][/quote]The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ). But of course you have other idea's about that.[/p][/quote]so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility? Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use? this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it?[/p][/quote]I'll try and answer your questions ------ why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility? When the whole idea about a new floating facility was put forward by the Liberal Democrats who were in control of Liverpool City Council, the city had turn-arounds operating from Langton Dock. This dock has a restricted entrance from the river for details see ------ http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/File:Dkbkpl 26.jpg The new floating facility was provided so that more visitors could sail into the renowned " World Heritage Site " which exists at the PierHead and in 5 associated area's around the city, plus a huge variety of other attractions of interest to tourists. It was only when operators using Langton Dock began raising safety fears and Fred Olsen withdrawing his sailings from Liverpool that suggestions were made that another option using the floating facility should be considered. Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use? Probably for the reason you surmised in an earlier post. Quote ......... Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports? the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they wanted to win Londoners votes? ---------------- The fact of the matter is it was for safety reasons, which you don't want to accept. If Labour's reason was politcally motivated that was then , times change and a government not particularly known as pro Liverpool decided after looking at the safety issues that this other facility could and should be used for turn-arounds. They are the facts. END OF LESSON !! GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE.[/p][/quote]let's look at what this government has done for Liverpool shall we? Motor plants saved with Union & Government help & more local people taken on. Under EU Law no state subsidise should be given to allow unfair competition which is exactly what happened once the turnaround status was changed. Yet Liverpools beloved Labour Government refused to change it & this not known to be pro Liverpool government allowed it so I think it's about time the people of Liverpool woke up to the fact that Labour only want's to help you when they want your votes. Will these decisions get Scousers to vote Tory? I doubt it yet according to politicians the Tories who supposedly only look after the Tory rich South allowed you to go into open competition with a POOR southern city? so who is this government really looking out for? Southampton or Liverpool? Oh! & this government okayed an EU loan to Turkey to build a new van plant & take work from this city. loosehead
  • Score: -1

1:31pm Thu 20 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool.
Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers.

That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock .

SAFETY.
i never disputed that did I?
The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ).

But of course you have other idea's about that.
so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility?
Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use?
this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it?
I'll try and answer your questions ------

why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility?

When the whole idea about a new floating facility was put forward by the Liberal Democrats who were in control of Liverpool City Council, the city had turn-arounds operating from Langton Dock. This dock has a restricted entrance from the river for details see ------

http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/File:Dkbkpl


26.jpg

The new floating facility was provided so that more visitors could sail into the renowned " World Heritage Site " which exists at the PierHead and in 5 associated area's around the city, plus a huge variety of other attractions of interest to tourists.
It was only when operators using Langton Dock began raising safety fears and Fred Olsen withdrawing his sailings from Liverpool that suggestions were made that another option using the floating facility should be considered.

Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use?

Probably for the reason you surmised in an earlier post.

Quote .........

Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports? the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they wanted to win Londoners votes?

----------------

The fact of the matter is it was for safety reasons, which you don't want to accept. If Labour's reason was politcally motivated that was then , times change and a government not particularly known as pro Liverpool decided after looking at the safety issues that this other facility could and should be used for turn-arounds.

They are the facts.

END OF LESSON !! GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE.
let's look at what this government has done for Liverpool shall we?
Motor plants saved with Union & Government help & more local people taken on.
Under EU Law no state subsidise should be given to allow unfair competition which is exactly what happened once the turnaround status was changed. Yet Liverpools beloved Labour Government refused to change it & this not known to be pro Liverpool government allowed it so I think it's about time the people of Liverpool woke up to the fact that Labour only want's to help you when they want your votes.
Will these decisions get Scousers to vote Tory? I doubt it yet according to politicians the Tories who supposedly only look after the Tory rich South allowed you to go into open competition with a POOR southern city?
so who is this government really looking out for? Southampton or Liverpool?
Oh! & this government okayed an EU loan to Turkey to build a new van plant & take work from this city.
Loosehead you have answered your own question.

The go ahead for turnarounds was refused by Labour for political reasons. The Coalition Government however had the common sense to protect Liverpool's small turnaround cruise trade by allowing it to transfer to the floating facility when operators threatened to pull out of Langton Dock because of safety issues. The Coalition Government had nothing to gain from giving this permission for change of use, as you, yourself admitted.

Therefore it's about time that you grew up and accepted that your wonderful Tories did it for safety reasons only.

You keep on spouting on about moving up this picturesque part of the country with it's superb beaches, golf courses, buildings and culture ( I personally don't believe a word of it ). If however you genuinely are, then for your own sake I would suggest that you stop ranting on like this if you do move or you will not get many friends.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool. Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers. That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock . SAFETY.[/p][/quote]i never disputed that did I?[/p][/quote]The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ). But of course you have other idea's about that.[/p][/quote]so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility? Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use? this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it?[/p][/quote]I'll try and answer your questions ------ why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility? When the whole idea about a new floating facility was put forward by the Liberal Democrats who were in control of Liverpool City Council, the city had turn-arounds operating from Langton Dock. This dock has a restricted entrance from the river for details see ------ http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/File:Dkbkpl 26.jpg The new floating facility was provided so that more visitors could sail into the renowned " World Heritage Site " which exists at the PierHead and in 5 associated area's around the city, plus a huge variety of other attractions of interest to tourists. It was only when operators using Langton Dock began raising safety fears and Fred Olsen withdrawing his sailings from Liverpool that suggestions were made that another option using the floating facility should be considered. Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use? Probably for the reason you surmised in an earlier post. Quote ......... Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports? the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they wanted to win Londoners votes? ---------------- The fact of the matter is it was for safety reasons, which you don't want to accept. If Labour's reason was politcally motivated that was then , times change and a government not particularly known as pro Liverpool decided after looking at the safety issues that this other facility could and should be used for turn-arounds. They are the facts. END OF LESSON !! GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE.[/p][/quote]let's look at what this government has done for Liverpool shall we? Motor plants saved with Union & Government help & more local people taken on. Under EU Law no state subsidise should be given to allow unfair competition which is exactly what happened once the turnaround status was changed. Yet Liverpools beloved Labour Government refused to change it & this not known to be pro Liverpool government allowed it so I think it's about time the people of Liverpool woke up to the fact that Labour only want's to help you when they want your votes. Will these decisions get Scousers to vote Tory? I doubt it yet according to politicians the Tories who supposedly only look after the Tory rich South allowed you to go into open competition with a POOR southern city? so who is this government really looking out for? Southampton or Liverpool? Oh! & this government okayed an EU loan to Turkey to build a new van plant & take work from this city.[/p][/quote]Loosehead you have answered your own question. The go ahead for turnarounds was refused by Labour for political reasons. The Coalition Government however had the common sense to protect Liverpool's small turnaround cruise trade by allowing it to transfer to the floating facility when operators threatened to pull out of Langton Dock because of safety issues. The Coalition Government had nothing to gain from giving this permission for change of use, as you, yourself admitted. Therefore it's about time that you grew up and accepted that your wonderful Tories did it for safety reasons only. You keep on spouting on about moving up this picturesque part of the country with it's superb beaches, golf courses, buildings and culture ( I personally don't believe a word of it ). If however you genuinely are, then for your own sake I would suggest that you stop ranting on like this if you do move or you will not get many friends. in search of the truth
  • Score: 2

4:17pm Thu 20 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool.
Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers.

That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock .

SAFETY.
i never disputed that did I?
The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ).

But of course you have other idea's about that.
so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility?
Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use?
this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it?
I'll try and answer your questions ------

why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility?

When the whole idea about a new floating facility was put forward by the Liberal Democrats who were in control of Liverpool City Council, the city had turn-arounds operating from Langton Dock. This dock has a restricted entrance from the river for details see ------

http://en.wikipedia.



org/wiki/File:Dkbkpl



26.jpg

The new floating facility was provided so that more visitors could sail into the renowned " World Heritage Site " which exists at the PierHead and in 5 associated area's around the city, plus a huge variety of other attractions of interest to tourists.
It was only when operators using Langton Dock began raising safety fears and Fred Olsen withdrawing his sailings from Liverpool that suggestions were made that another option using the floating facility should be considered.

Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use?

Probably for the reason you surmised in an earlier post.

Quote .........

Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports? the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they wanted to win Londoners votes?

----------------

The fact of the matter is it was for safety reasons, which you don't want to accept. If Labour's reason was politcally motivated that was then , times change and a government not particularly known as pro Liverpool decided after looking at the safety issues that this other facility could and should be used for turn-arounds.

They are the facts.

END OF LESSON !! GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE.
let's look at what this government has done for Liverpool shall we?
Motor plants saved with Union & Government help & more local people taken on.
Under EU Law no state subsidise should be given to allow unfair competition which is exactly what happened once the turnaround status was changed. Yet Liverpools beloved Labour Government refused to change it & this not known to be pro Liverpool government allowed it so I think it's about time the people of Liverpool woke up to the fact that Labour only want's to help you when they want your votes.
Will these decisions get Scousers to vote Tory? I doubt it yet according to politicians the Tories who supposedly only look after the Tory rich South allowed you to go into open competition with a POOR southern city?
so who is this government really looking out for? Southampton or Liverpool?
Oh! & this government okayed an EU loan to Turkey to build a new van plant & take work from this city.
Loosehead you have answered your own question.

The go ahead for turnarounds was refused by Labour for political reasons. The Coalition Government however had the common sense to protect Liverpool's small turnaround cruise trade by allowing it to transfer to the floating facility when operators threatened to pull out of Langton Dock because of safety issues. The Coalition Government had nothing to gain from giving this permission for change of use, as you, yourself admitted.

Therefore it's about time that you grew up and accepted that your wonderful Tories did it for safety reasons only.

You keep on spouting on about moving up this picturesque part of the country with it's superb beaches, golf courses, buildings and culture ( I personally don't believe a word of it ). If however you genuinely are, then for your own sake I would suggest that you stop ranting on like this if you do move or you will not get many friends.
My house is sold I'll be exchanging contracts in April & I'll be moving up there then.Yes I'll defend Southampton but as Liverpool will be my city I'll fight tooth & nail for it .
on another post you ought to read the comments by Bob Barnes & you'll see a fraction of the rubbish I've had thrown at me because I've told people I'm moving to Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Fred Olsen were doing turnarounds from Langton Dock but because of safety issues over negotiating the narrow lock in order to enter / leave the river , they withdrew from Liverpool. Now that Liverpool has use of the new floating river facility that was used for day visits they are now back and expanding their offering to cruise passengers. That is the fact as to why they withdrew from Liverpool's Langton Dock . SAFETY.[/p][/quote]i never disputed that did I?[/p][/quote]The safety problems associated with access to Langton Dock are the reasons behind the need to apply for change of use to the floating landing stage ( terminal facility ). But of course you have other idea's about that.[/p][/quote]so once again why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility? Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use? this isn't make belief this is the truth so why can't you accept it?[/p][/quote]I'll try and answer your questions ------ why did Anderson on TV admit that Liverpool Council never ever wanted a turnaround facility? When the whole idea about a new floating facility was put forward by the Liberal Democrats who were in control of Liverpool City Council, the city had turn-arounds operating from Langton Dock. This dock has a restricted entrance from the river for details see ------ http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/File:Dkbkpl 26.jpg The new floating facility was provided so that more visitors could sail into the renowned " World Heritage Site " which exists at the PierHead and in 5 associated area's around the city, plus a huge variety of other attractions of interest to tourists. It was only when operators using Langton Dock began raising safety fears and Fred Olsen withdrawing his sailings from Liverpool that suggestions were made that another option using the floating facility should be considered. Why did a Labour Government refuse you change of use? Probably for the reason you surmised in an earlier post. Quote ......... Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports? the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they wanted to win Londoners votes? ---------------- The fact of the matter is it was for safety reasons, which you don't want to accept. If Labour's reason was politcally motivated that was then , times change and a government not particularly known as pro Liverpool decided after looking at the safety issues that this other facility could and should be used for turn-arounds. They are the facts. END OF LESSON !! GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE.[/p][/quote]let's look at what this government has done for Liverpool shall we? Motor plants saved with Union & Government help & more local people taken on. Under EU Law no state subsidise should be given to allow unfair competition which is exactly what happened once the turnaround status was changed. Yet Liverpools beloved Labour Government refused to change it & this not known to be pro Liverpool government allowed it so I think it's about time the people of Liverpool woke up to the fact that Labour only want's to help you when they want your votes. Will these decisions get Scousers to vote Tory? I doubt it yet according to politicians the Tories who supposedly only look after the Tory rich South allowed you to go into open competition with a POOR southern city? so who is this government really looking out for? Southampton or Liverpool? Oh! & this government okayed an EU loan to Turkey to build a new van plant & take work from this city.[/p][/quote]Loosehead you have answered your own question. The go ahead for turnarounds was refused by Labour for political reasons. The Coalition Government however had the common sense to protect Liverpool's small turnaround cruise trade by allowing it to transfer to the floating facility when operators threatened to pull out of Langton Dock because of safety issues. The Coalition Government had nothing to gain from giving this permission for change of use, as you, yourself admitted. Therefore it's about time that you grew up and accepted that your wonderful Tories did it for safety reasons only. You keep on spouting on about moving up this picturesque part of the country with it's superb beaches, golf courses, buildings and culture ( I personally don't believe a word of it ). If however you genuinely are, then for your own sake I would suggest that you stop ranting on like this if you do move or you will not get many friends.[/p][/quote]My house is sold I'll be exchanging contracts in April & I'll be moving up there then.Yes I'll defend Southampton but as Liverpool will be my city I'll fight tooth & nail for it . on another post you ought to read the comments by Bob Barnes & you'll see a fraction of the rubbish I've had thrown at me because I've told people I'm moving to Liverpool. loosehead
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