Hunt stepped up hunt for poachers who gunned down deer known as The Monarch

Hunt stepped up hunt for poachers who gunned down deer known as The Monarch

Hunt stepped up hunt for poachers who gunned down deer known as The Monarch

First published in News

HE WAS one of the biggest and well-known stags in the country.

But Hampshire’s magnificent red deer The Monarch has been gunned down in the New Forest, by poachers desperate to get their hands on his prized antlers.

Discovered floating in a lake, the 16-year-old beast who grazed at Burley Park, had been shot in the head but he was able to flee before his killers could take his impressive 16-point antlers, worth more than £1,000.

His death has come as a major shock to the New Forest community, where he was so wellknown that his image adorned souvenirs such as mugs, clocks and jewellery in gift shops.

Named Monarch because of his regal stature, he is believed to have stood at around 8ft tall, with his antlers that weighed an incredible 25 stone and was often spotted by visitors on the popular New Forest Deer Safari tours.

As reported yesterday his lifeless body was found in the lake, where it is thought he drowned after the bullet to his skull ricocheted off and he ran to water for safety, which is a natural instinct for deer.

Daily Echo:

He was the biggest and head of a herd of 40 red deer owned by farmer Dan Tanner.

Mr Tanner, 65, said: “It is very sad but unfortunately it is not that unusual. Poaching is a real problem.

“The Monarch was about 16 years old and was a fine specimen of an animal. He was shot by a poacher but the bullet wasn’t a heavy enough calibre to stop him.

“He ran to a lake which he tried to swim through but he drowned there. The poachers never got their hands on him.

“Because The Monarch had such a fine set of antlers he would have been very attractive to poachers. They would have wanted his head as a trophy.

“His death is a great loss and waste of life.”

Daily Echo:

The Monarch’s body has been given to a local farmer who intends to mount the antlers on a plaque.

While Hampshire police have launched an investigation into the killing, which is believed to have happened between February 14 and February 16.

Jamie Cordrey, from antipoaching group The Deer Initiative, said poachers still pose a threat to Britain’s deer population.

He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today.

“It is very unpredictable and very hard to police. You never know when poachers are going to strike next.”

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2:51pm Sat 15 Mar 14

southy says...

please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world
please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world southy
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3:00pm Sat 15 Mar 14

charrlee says...

southy wrote:
please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world
Spot on. Well said.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world[/p][/quote]Spot on. Well said. charrlee
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4:31pm Sat 15 Mar 14

branston says...

southy wrote:
please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world
Surely if these are trophy hunters as you say and have possibly travelled from afar to kill this beautiful creature then surely they would have at least used the correct sized shot for their gun seems more a case of amateurs do you not think
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world[/p][/quote]Surely if these are trophy hunters as you say and have possibly travelled from afar to kill this beautiful creature then surely they would have at least used the correct sized shot for their gun seems more a case of amateurs do you not think branston
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5:48pm Sat 15 Mar 14

southy says...

branston wrote:
southy wrote:
please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world
Surely if these are trophy hunters as you say and have possibly travelled from afar to kill this beautiful creature then surely they would have at least used the correct sized shot for their gun seems more a case of amateurs do you not think
depends on many things one could be they hired some one,or maybe they are new to it all, a 22 live could bring this animal down if shot in the right place and poachers would know how and how close they would need to be to do it, like i said this is not the act of poachers also poachers would of followed it into the water any poacher would know the direction it would go and would of covered that area if a bad shot did happen, poachers do not leave a trace that they been there, where as trophy hunters do,
The trouble is that the media do not like using the word trophy hunters because it gives the image of wealthy blood sportsmen, think about it a set of antlers of this size is not going to be put up on as wall of a normal size home they are way to big
[quote][p][bold]branston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world[/p][/quote]Surely if these are trophy hunters as you say and have possibly travelled from afar to kill this beautiful creature then surely they would have at least used the correct sized shot for their gun seems more a case of amateurs do you not think[/p][/quote]depends on many things one could be they hired some one,or maybe they are new to it all, a 22 live could bring this animal down if shot in the right place and poachers would know how and how close they would need to be to do it, like i said this is not the act of poachers also poachers would of followed it into the water any poacher would know the direction it would go and would of covered that area if a bad shot did happen, poachers do not leave a trace that they been there, where as trophy hunters do, The trouble is that the media do not like using the word trophy hunters because it gives the image of wealthy blood sportsmen, think about it a set of antlers of this size is not going to be put up on as wall of a normal size home they are way to big southy
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6:05pm Sat 15 Mar 14

charrlee says...

branston wrote:
southy wrote:
please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world
Surely if these are trophy hunters as you say and have possibly travelled from afar to kill this beautiful creature then surely they would have at least used the correct sized shot for their gun seems more a case of amateurs do you not think
Amateur trophy hunters? Idiot trophy hunters? There is a whole wodge of kids of dubious intelligence who leave school each year believing that they can achieve anything if they really, really try. This unrealistic notion, which was one of many new teaching strategies, has been planted in their heads for over 40 years, and is known as "positive reinforcement".

I remember report time many years ago when, as a Year 9 tutor, a friend of mine got a report about a boy which said : "He is a bad-tempered, miserable boy who likes cheating." The Head of Year told the tutor to send it back for re-writing. "But it's the truth!" said the teacher. "It may be", said the HoY,"but you can't write the truth otherwise it will upset the parents" ! Eventually it read : "He finds the work challenging, but is working towards an acceptable standard." His parents were quite happy with that (please note the irony). By the time he reached Year11, he was an even bigger c*nt, still working towards etc.............

So, these trophy hunters are finding trophy hunting rather challenging, but are probably working towards achieving an acceptable standard.
[quote][p][bold]branston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: please correct your self echo, its not poachers that go after just the head of an animal this is the work of trophy hunters and with this stag well known the people who done this could of come from any where in the world[/p][/quote]Surely if these are trophy hunters as you say and have possibly travelled from afar to kill this beautiful creature then surely they would have at least used the correct sized shot for their gun seems more a case of amateurs do you not think[/p][/quote]Amateur trophy hunters? Idiot trophy hunters? There is a whole wodge of kids of dubious intelligence who leave school each year believing that they can achieve anything if they really, really try. This unrealistic notion, which was one of many new teaching strategies, has been planted in their heads for over 40 years, and is known as "positive reinforcement". I remember report time many years ago when, as a Year 9 tutor, a friend of mine got a report about a boy which said : "He is a bad-tempered, miserable boy who likes cheating." The Head of Year told the tutor to send it back for re-writing. "But it's the truth!" said the teacher. "It may be", said the HoY,"but you can't write the truth otherwise it will upset the parents" ! Eventually it read : "He finds the work challenging, but is working towards an acceptable standard." His parents were quite happy with that (please note the irony). By the time he reached Year11, he was an even bigger c*nt, still working towards etc............. So, these trophy hunters are finding trophy hunting rather challenging, but are probably working towards achieving an acceptable standard. charrlee
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7:11pm Sat 15 Mar 14

BeyondImagination says...

Calling people poachers, trophy hunters, terrorists etc gives them a status they are proud of. Tossers would be a more apt description.
Calling people poachers, trophy hunters, terrorists etc gives them a status they are proud of. Tossers would be a more apt description. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 4

7:58pm Sat 15 Mar 14

southy says...

" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing. southy
  • Score: -1

8:27pm Sat 15 Mar 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again freefinker
  • Score: 0

8:48pm Sat 15 Mar 14

derek james says...

the max fine for this is £5000, let's hope it's used on the poachers, although unlikely
the max fine for this is £5000, let's hope it's used on the poachers, although unlikely derek james
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8:56pm Sat 15 Mar 14

derek james says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills !
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills ! derek james
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Sat 15 Mar 14

freefinker says...

derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills !
.. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK.
About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change.
Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills ![/p][/quote].. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK. About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change. Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right.. freefinker
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Sat 15 Mar 14

charrlee says...

freefinker wrote:
derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills !
.. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK.
About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change.
Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..
Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"...............
.........!
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills ![/p][/quote].. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK. About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change. Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..[/p][/quote]Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"............... .........! charrlee
  • Score: -4

9:50pm Sat 15 Mar 14

southy says...

charrlee wrote:
freefinker wrote:
derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills !
.. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK.
About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change.
Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..
Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"...............

.........!
Never worry about that if you getting the minus hits then your saying some thing right or close to it, most people will look at the high minus just to see what been said and end up thinking yea they are right.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills ![/p][/quote].. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK. About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change. Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..[/p][/quote]Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"............... .........![/p][/quote]Never worry about that if you getting the minus hits then your saying some thing right or close to it, most people will look at the high minus just to see what been said and end up thinking yea they are right. southy
  • Score: 0

10:03pm Sat 15 Mar 14

derek james says...

freefinker wrote:
derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills !
.. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK.
About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change.
Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..
i suppose if you were to make a thorough examination of the benefit of mass immigration you'd have to factor in the £10000 paid to a failed ethiopian asylum seeker for flying lessons and the tax (probably unpaid in the multitude of "hand car washes" that have sprung up recently. factor in the amount of money cabled back to their country of origin every week and the amount of child benefits paid to children living in poland and other countries, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out whether there is a net gain or not.consider the inconvenience of all the extra cars on the road, lack of parking spaces, extra use of the nhs (increased waiting times), oversubscribed schools plus wages for unskilled that have been driven down by excess available labour not to mention increasing rents and house prices.as for climate change as i've tried to explain to you many a time, the climate has changed many times over the years with or without the help of man and will continue to do so there have been ice ages with many times the level of co2 in the atmosphere there is now
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills ![/p][/quote].. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK. About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change. Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..[/p][/quote]i suppose if you were to make a thorough examination of the benefit of mass immigration you'd have to factor in the £10000 paid to a failed ethiopian asylum seeker for flying lessons and the tax (probably unpaid in the multitude of "hand car washes" that have sprung up recently. factor in the amount of money cabled back to their country of origin every week and the amount of child benefits paid to children living in poland and other countries, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out whether there is a net gain or not.consider the inconvenience of all the extra cars on the road, lack of parking spaces, extra use of the nhs (increased waiting times), oversubscribed schools plus wages for unskilled that have been driven down by excess available labour not to mention increasing rents and house prices.as for climate change as i've tried to explain to you many a time, the climate has changed many times over the years with or without the help of man and will continue to do so there have been ice ages with many times the level of co2 in the atmosphere there is now derek james
  • Score: 0

10:06pm Sat 15 Mar 14

derek james says...

charrlee wrote:
freefinker wrote:
derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills !
.. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK.
About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change.
Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..
Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"...............

.........!
i'd be honoured to be on that as at least i'd know i was with the majority! by the way does anyone know if freethinker is male, female or something in between?
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills ![/p][/quote].. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK. About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change. Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..[/p][/quote]Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"............... .........![/p][/quote]i'd be honoured to be on that as at least i'd know i was with the majority! by the way does anyone know if freethinker is male, female or something in between? derek james
  • Score: 0

10:47pm Sat 15 Mar 14

charrlee says...

derek james wrote:
charrlee wrote:
freefinker wrote:
derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills !
.. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK.
About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change.
Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..
Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"...............


.........!
i'd be honoured to be on that as at least i'd know i was with the majority! by the way does anyone know if freethinker is male, female or something in between?
Judging by the number of times we catch freefinker fast asleep (his characteristic signature being a series of "ZZZZ"), I visualise him/her as a very old dog, which is about as close as we're likely to get, I think!

While we're on names, do you know if Gilbert Ratchet is pronounced "Sheel - bear Rah - shay", or more "Gill - bert Rat - s hi t" ? I know what most people here would think SOUNDS right, but, you know...........
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills ![/p][/quote].. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK. About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change. Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..[/p][/quote]Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"............... .........![/p][/quote]i'd be honoured to be on that as at least i'd know i was with the majority! by the way does anyone know if freethinker is male, female or something in between?[/p][/quote]Judging by the number of times we catch freefinker fast asleep (his characteristic signature being a series of "ZZZZ"), I visualise him/her as a very old dog, which is about as close as we're likely to get, I think! While we're on names, do you know if Gilbert Ratchet is pronounced "Sheel - bear Rah - shay", or more "Gill - bert Rat - s hi t" ? I know what most people here would think SOUNDS right, but, you know........... charrlee
  • Score: -1

11:02pm Sat 15 Mar 14

charrlee says...

There you are, freefinker and Ratchet, now you know the lofty levels of original thought required to get into Division 1 here ! Read and learn, boys, read and learn !

You can almost hear it coming : "Whinge whinge whinge......Billy The Kid.....nim nim nim.....troll ! Troll !.......whinge, whinge......"

When I read Ratchet comments, I HEAR the voice of John Inman ! ( "Are you free, finker ?")
There you are, freefinker and Ratchet, now you know the lofty levels of original thought required to get into Division 1 here ! Read and learn, boys, read and learn ! You can almost hear it coming : "Whinge whinge whinge......Billy The Kid.....nim nim nim.....troll ! Troll !.......whinge, whinge......" When I read Ratchet comments, I HEAR the voice of John Inman ! ( "Are you free, finker ?") charrlee
  • Score: -1

12:18am Sun 16 Mar 14

freefinker says...

derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills !
.. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK.
About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change.
Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..
i suppose if you were to make a thorough examination of the benefit of mass immigration you'd have to factor in the £10000 paid to a failed ethiopian asylum seeker for flying lessons and the tax (probably unpaid in the multitude of "hand car washes" that have sprung up recently. factor in the amount of money cabled back to their country of origin every week and the amount of child benefits paid to children living in poland and other countries, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out whether there is a net gain or not.consider the inconvenience of all the extra cars on the road, lack of parking spaces, extra use of the nhs (increased waiting times), oversubscribed schools plus wages for unskilled that have been driven down by excess available labour not to mention increasing rents and house prices.as for climate change as i've tried to explain to you many a time, the climate has changed many times over the years with or without the help of man and will continue to do so there have been ice ages with many times the level of co2 in the atmosphere there is now
.. gosh, a compendium of Daily Mail stories.
Who needs real facts when we can rely anecdote and what you heard down at the pub.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills ![/p][/quote].. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK. About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change. Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..[/p][/quote]i suppose if you were to make a thorough examination of the benefit of mass immigration you'd have to factor in the £10000 paid to a failed ethiopian asylum seeker for flying lessons and the tax (probably unpaid in the multitude of "hand car washes" that have sprung up recently. factor in the amount of money cabled back to their country of origin every week and the amount of child benefits paid to children living in poland and other countries, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out whether there is a net gain or not.consider the inconvenience of all the extra cars on the road, lack of parking spaces, extra use of the nhs (increased waiting times), oversubscribed schools plus wages for unskilled that have been driven down by excess available labour not to mention increasing rents and house prices.as for climate change as i've tried to explain to you many a time, the climate has changed many times over the years with or without the help of man and will continue to do so there have been ice ages with many times the level of co2 in the atmosphere there is now[/p][/quote].. gosh, a compendium of Daily Mail stories. Who needs real facts when we can rely anecdote and what you heard down at the pub. freefinker
  • Score: 0

12:58am Sun 16 Mar 14

Bob Barnes says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
‘’WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP FROM THE GERIACTRICS’’
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]‘’WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP FROM THE GERIACTRICS’’ Bob Barnes
  • Score: 0

1:48am Sun 16 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Bob Barnes wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
‘’WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP FROM THE GERIACTRICS’’
What a shame you only have a child's toy for a computer that only does "big letters" ! And secondly, Mr Barnes, Mr Bob Barnes, Barney - may I call you Barney? - and secondly Barney old son, it's g-e-r-I-a-t-r-I-c. You seem to have found an extra "C" from somewhere.

This is the sort of patronising sarcasm you get when you stamp out dumbo insults in childish capital letters. Stick to The Sun - it's more your mark.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Barnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]‘’WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP FROM THE GERIACTRICS’’[/p][/quote]What a shame you only have a child's toy for a computer that only does "big letters" ! And secondly, Mr Barnes, Mr Bob Barnes, Barney - may I call you Barney? - and secondly Barney old son, it's g-e-r-I-a-t-r-I-c. You seem to have found an extra "C" from somewhere. This is the sort of patronising sarcasm you get when you stamp out dumbo insults in childish capital letters. Stick to The Sun - it's more your mark. charrlee
  • Score: 1

4:08pm Sun 16 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

southy wrote:
charrlee wrote:
freefinker wrote:
derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
" He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. "

Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.
.. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: -

1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed.

2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto.

3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea

4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again
your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills !
.. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK.
About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change.
Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..
Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"...............


.........!
Never worry about that if you getting the minus hits then your saying some thing right or close to it, most people will look at the high minus just to see what been said and end up thinking yea they are right.
Pfffffft. Get over yourself man. You get down voted because you are an utter fool. Don't go mistaking it for anything else.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: " He added: “Deer poaching is an age-old problem in Britain and it is still around today. " Poaching only came about because of wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs and to turn the populous into slaves, things haven't change at all they still want to own and control every thing.[/p][/quote].. is that your beloved North Korea you are talking about? Let's see: - 1) 'wealthy powerful few people who wanted to control and own every thing' - yes that's North Korea - and almost every other Peoples Republic that has ever existed. 2) 'and to stop the poor from being able to feed them selfs' - yes, ditto. 3) 'and to turn the populous into slaves' - yes, it's still North Korea 4) 'they still want to own and control every thing' - yep, it's your fraternal comrades from North Korea, again[/p][/quote]your stupid statement that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy was finally exposed as the bullsh!t it is this week with the report by migrationwatch that explained when tax credits and all the other handouts are taken into account it's cost us billions since 1995.just like your fantasy world powered by windmills ![/p][/quote].. ah, yes, MigrationWatch UK. About as reliable for definitive and accurate information on the financial aspects of immigration as Nigel Lawson is on the science of climate change. Still, if you want to be economically illiterate, as well as a science-denying conspiracy theorist, that's your right..[/p][/quote]Careful, Derek, you'll end up permanently on the freefinker/rRatchet minus vote "hit list"............... .........![/p][/quote]Never worry about that if you getting the minus hits then your saying some thing right or close to it, most people will look at the high minus just to see what been said and end up thinking yea they are right.[/p][/quote]Pfffffft. Get over yourself man. You get down voted because you are an utter fool. Don't go mistaking it for anything else. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 1

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