City's rules for council house allocation set for shake-up

Warwick Payne.

Warwick Payne.

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

ONLY people who have lived in Southampton for three years will be able to get on to the council housing list, under proposed new rules.

The Labour city council’s Cabinet will meet tomorrow to discuss changing its policy for how housing is allocated.

There are more than 14,000 people on the waiting list for a council house in the city, and civic chiefs have admitted there is a current shortage of social housing.

In order to give priority to Southampton residents in need of a council house, only people who have lived in the city for three years will go on to the waiting list.

If approved the new guidelines will come into force immediately.

Armed services personnel will be exempt from the new rules.

The council guidelines also state that “only applicants in current housing need will be admitted to the housing waiting list”.

Anyone on the list must now tell the council about any change in circumstances within three months, or be removed from the list.

A report on the new rules says widespread consultation has been carried out among tenants, and they were broadly supportive of the proposed housing measures.

Cabinet member for housing and sustainability Councillor Warwick Payne said: “We recognise that there’s not enough social housing in Southampton to meet demand, which means we have to ration how it’s allocated.

“One crucial thing we wanted to show is that resources are being used to help Southampton families.

“From now on it will definitely be a case of local housing for local families.”

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11:58am Mon 17 Mar 14

derek james says...

i would have thought if you are born in this country should be enough to propel you to the top of the list
i would have thought if you are born in this country should be enough to propel you to the top of the list derek james
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12:20pm Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list?
so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list?
So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it?
Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?
bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list? so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list? So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it? Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they? loosehead
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12:44pm Mon 17 Mar 14

tootle says...

Stop people being mobile in low paid jobs and you keep them on benefits so they vote Labour just in case the other parties cut benefits. Nice one. My daughter wanted to move but couldn't because there is very little affordable accomodation and to qualify for Council/HA where she wanted to go she had to live/or work there for 5 years! She wanted a better environment for her daughter!
Stop people being mobile in low paid jobs and you keep them on benefits so they vote Labour just in case the other parties cut benefits. Nice one. My daughter wanted to move but couldn't because there is very little affordable accomodation and to qualify for Council/HA where she wanted to go she had to live/or work there for 5 years! She wanted a better environment for her daughter! tootle
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12:48pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Outside of the Box says...

loosehead wrote:
bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list?
so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list?
So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it?
Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?
I don't see it like that at all, it a simple local lettings policy, if you've live in Southampton for 3 years or more you accepted on the list to be allocated a council home.

Why would an Eastern European family come here without adequate housing in the 1st place?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list? so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list? So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it? Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?[/p][/quote]I don't see it like that at all, it a simple local lettings policy, if you've live in Southampton for 3 years or more you accepted on the list to be allocated a council home. Why would an Eastern European family come here without adequate housing in the 1st place? Outside of the Box
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1:19pm Mon 17 Mar 14

hulla baloo says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list?
so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list?
So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it?
Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?
I don't see it like that at all, it a simple local lettings policy, if you've live in Southampton for 3 years or more you accepted on the list to be allocated a council home.

Why would an Eastern European family come here without adequate housing in the 1st place?
Because many Eastern Europeans, Africans and others already come here without money and housing, only to recieve both.

But this policy will never happen, the EU rules will have a say on that,
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list? so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list? So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it? Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?[/p][/quote]I don't see it like that at all, it a simple local lettings policy, if you've live in Southampton for 3 years or more you accepted on the list to be allocated a council home. Why would an Eastern European family come here without adequate housing in the 1st place?[/p][/quote]Because many Eastern Europeans, Africans and others already come here without money and housing, only to recieve both. But this policy will never happen, the EU rules will have a say on that, hulla baloo
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2:37pm Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list?
so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list?
So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it?
Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?
I don't see it like that at all, it a simple local lettings policy, if you've live in Southampton for 3 years or more you accepted on the list to be allocated a council home.

Why would an Eastern European family come here without adequate housing in the 1st place?
try looking up Laundry road, husband comes here has to have private housing family comes here both get low paid jobs but we can't see children on the streets so the council have a duty by law to house them.
not only Eastern Europeans look at that family in Victory Street that other councils evicted? they ended up on Southamptons door & had to be housed as there were children.
Maybe they should say only people born in Britain can go on the list but wouldn't that contravene EU law?
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list? so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list? So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it? Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?[/p][/quote]I don't see it like that at all, it a simple local lettings policy, if you've live in Southampton for 3 years or more you accepted on the list to be allocated a council home. Why would an Eastern European family come here without adequate housing in the 1st place?[/p][/quote]try looking up Laundry road, husband comes here has to have private housing family comes here both get low paid jobs but we can't see children on the streets so the council have a duty by law to house them. not only Eastern Europeans look at that family in Victory Street that other councils evicted? they ended up on Southamptons door & had to be housed as there were children. Maybe they should say only people born in Britain can go on the list but wouldn't that contravene EU law? loosehead
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4:12pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Outside of the Box says...

loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list?
so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list?
So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it?
Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?
I don't see it like that at all, it a simple local lettings policy, if you've live in Southampton for 3 years or more you accepted on the list to be allocated a council home.

Why would an Eastern European family come here without adequate housing in the 1st place?
try looking up Laundry road, husband comes here has to have private housing family comes here both get low paid jobs but we can't see children on the streets so the council have a duty by law to house them.
not only Eastern Europeans look at that family in Victory Street that other councils evicted? they ended up on Southamptons door & had to be housed as there were children.
Maybe they should say only people born in Britain can go on the list but wouldn't that contravene EU law?
The council may a duty of care to house foreign nationals (children) but that doesn't mean in council houses, it means in any available social landlords property, First Wessex Hyde Marlet and so on.

This local lettings policy prevents foreign nationals jumping the queue for council housing that's all, it doesn't remove the council duty of care to house children the same as it doesn't remove the councils duty of care to house any children English or otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list? so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list? So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it? Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?[/p][/quote]I don't see it like that at all, it a simple local lettings policy, if you've live in Southampton for 3 years or more you accepted on the list to be allocated a council home. Why would an Eastern European family come here without adequate housing in the 1st place?[/p][/quote]try looking up Laundry road, husband comes here has to have private housing family comes here both get low paid jobs but we can't see children on the streets so the council have a duty by law to house them. not only Eastern Europeans look at that family in Victory Street that other councils evicted? they ended up on Southamptons door & had to be housed as there were children. Maybe they should say only people born in Britain can go on the list but wouldn't that contravene EU law?[/p][/quote]The council may a duty of care to house foreign nationals (children) but that doesn't mean in council houses, it means in any available social landlords property, First Wessex Hyde Marlet and so on. This local lettings policy prevents foreign nationals jumping the queue for council housing that's all, it doesn't remove the council duty of care to house children the same as it doesn't remove the councils duty of care to house any children English or otherwise. Outside of the Box
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5:08pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Nick Chaffey says...

Southampton Labour Housing policy will only maintain homelessnes and increase divisions in the city.
The solution to the housing crisis is to build housing and refurbish existing empty property. Step 1: adopt a council policy to provide affordable council housing for all. Step 2: mount a campaign of those on the waiting list with the unemployed building workers unions, UCATT and UNITE. Step 3: call for the immediate release of government funds to carry out house refurbishment and new build programme, highlighting the £750 BILLION cash pile hoarded by big business as an easy source of investment funds Step 4: use historical examples to help win support for your case, ie post war Labour government, Liverpool Council 1983.
Such a policy would eradicate the housing crisis, create thousands of jobs and help to rebuild communities across the city.
NB: adopting a policy that apes the right wing reactionary views of the Torries, UKIP and BNP will fail to solve the housing problem but encourage the scapegoating of "outsiders, foreigners, young people, scroungers, single-mums, the elderly, lazy workers and anyone else I forgot to mention for the lack of housing."
PS: the reason for the housing crisis was the failed policy of Thatcher and the Tories in selling council housing to inflate a property boom that has now crashed and left home ownership and affordable housing a pipe dream for the 99%.
Anyone out there who thinks Labour are an alternative to the ConDems should take a good look at this and ask if they should give a penny or an ounce of assistance in getting them elected in May.
For a campaign based on solving the housing crisis outlined above, campaign to re-elect Socialist Councillor Keith Morrell and the TUSC candidates standing across the city on May 22nd.
Southampton Labour Housing policy will only maintain homelessnes and increase divisions in the city. The solution to the housing crisis is to build housing and refurbish existing empty property. Step 1: adopt a council policy to provide affordable council housing for all. Step 2: mount a campaign of those on the waiting list with the unemployed building workers unions, UCATT and UNITE. Step 3: call for the immediate release of government funds to carry out house refurbishment and new build programme, highlighting the £750 BILLION cash pile hoarded by big business as an easy source of investment funds Step 4: use historical examples to help win support for your case, ie post war Labour government, Liverpool Council 1983. Such a policy would eradicate the housing crisis, create thousands of jobs and help to rebuild communities across the city. NB: adopting a policy that apes the right wing reactionary views of the Torries, UKIP and BNP will fail to solve the housing problem but encourage the scapegoating of "outsiders, foreigners, young people, scroungers, single-mums, the elderly, lazy workers and anyone else I forgot to mention for the lack of housing." PS: the reason for the housing crisis was the failed policy of Thatcher and the Tories in selling council housing to inflate a property boom that has now crashed and left home ownership and affordable housing a pipe dream for the 99%. Anyone out there who thinks Labour are an alternative to the ConDems should take a good look at this and ask if they should give a penny or an ounce of assistance in getting them elected in May. For a campaign based on solving the housing crisis outlined above, campaign to re-elect Socialist Councillor Keith Morrell and the TUSC candidates standing across the city on May 22nd. Nick Chaffey
  • Score: -3

5:10pm Mon 17 Mar 14

boilerman says...

This duty of care is a joke.
Parents have a duty of care to their own children, if you come here from another country knowing you have no job, money or home whos'e fault is that, not the people of any given town.
Harsh as it is , but encouraging people to move country knowing they will get looked after is not fait on the indigenous popualtion.
I can understand people running away from a war zone, but why is it they are not made to return once a war is over and why do they travel so far to a small island passing through far bigger countries?,could it be Benefits.
This duty of care is a joke. Parents have a duty of care to their own children, if you come here from another country knowing you have no job, money or home whos'e fault is that, not the people of any given town. Harsh as it is , but encouraging people to move country knowing they will get looked after is not fait on the indigenous popualtion. I can understand people running away from a war zone, but why is it they are not made to return once a war is over and why do they travel so far to a small island passing through far bigger countries?,could it be Benefits. boilerman
  • Score: 4

5:15pm Mon 17 Mar 14

boilerman says...

boilerman wrote:
This duty of care is a joke.
Parents have a duty of care to their own children, if you come here from another country knowing you have no job, money or home whos'e fault is that, not the people of any given town.
Harsh as it is , but encouraging people to move country knowing they will get looked after is not fait on the indigenous popualtion.
I can understand people running away from a war zone, but why is it they are not made to return once a war is over and why do they travel so far to a small island passing through far bigger countries?,could it be Benefits.
That should read
* not the fault of the indigenous population*
Sorry for the typo.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: This duty of care is a joke. Parents have a duty of care to their own children, if you come here from another country knowing you have no job, money or home whos'e fault is that, not the people of any given town. Harsh as it is , but encouraging people to move country knowing they will get looked after is not fait on the indigenous popualtion. I can understand people running away from a war zone, but why is it they are not made to return once a war is over and why do they travel so far to a small island passing through far bigger countries?,could it be Benefits.[/p][/quote]That should read * not the fault of the indigenous population* Sorry for the typo. boilerman
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5:47pm Mon 17 Mar 14

commonsence says...

What about those people who have been on the waiting list for a very long time , say 9 years or more ? Do they now get taken off the list ? What about the areas that are being proposed for regeneration , how will those people fair under these new rules ? Last Question ...How many of those on the excisting waiting list were born in this city ?
What about those people who have been on the waiting list for a very long time , say 9 years or more ? Do they now get taken off the list ? What about the areas that are being proposed for regeneration , how will those people fair under these new rules ? Last Question ...How many of those on the excisting waiting list were born in this city ? commonsence
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5:58pm Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

boilerman wrote:
boilerman wrote:
This duty of care is a joke.
Parents have a duty of care to their own children, if you come here from another country knowing you have no job, money or home whos'e fault is that, not the people of any given town.
Harsh as it is , but encouraging people to move country knowing they will get looked after is not fait on the indigenous popualtion.
I can understand people running away from a war zone, but why is it they are not made to return once a war is over and why do they travel so far to a small island passing through far bigger countries?,could it be Benefits.
That should read
* not the fault of the indigenous population*
Sorry for the typo.
Refugees are suppose to ask for asylum in the nearest safe country so how can Britain be the nearest safe country from Zimbabwe?
How can this also count for any other country than say France,Norway,Hollan
d,Sweden,Ireland & Iceland as they are thew closest to us?
to say this usually get's you landed with racist by others yet Labour are saying if you don't come from this city you have to wait to get on the council list?where will these people wait?
Will people still jump the list if they have children & no family here as our people have?
To make it a fair situation only local people get council homes & others only get housed if we have any homes left.
open up Blighmont Barracks huts(billets) house people who are claiming asylum or are illegals trying to claim asylum. when they know if they were successful or not then house them.
but British born people should be our first concern/priority
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: This duty of care is a joke. Parents have a duty of care to their own children, if you come here from another country knowing you have no job, money or home whos'e fault is that, not the people of any given town. Harsh as it is , but encouraging people to move country knowing they will get looked after is not fait on the indigenous popualtion. I can understand people running away from a war zone, but why is it they are not made to return once a war is over and why do they travel so far to a small island passing through far bigger countries?,could it be Benefits.[/p][/quote]That should read * not the fault of the indigenous population* Sorry for the typo.[/p][/quote]Refugees are suppose to ask for asylum in the nearest safe country so how can Britain be the nearest safe country from Zimbabwe? How can this also count for any other country than say France,Norway,Hollan d,Sweden,Ireland & Iceland as they are thew closest to us? to say this usually get's you landed with racist by others yet Labour are saying if you don't come from this city you have to wait to get on the council list?where will these people wait? Will people still jump the list if they have children & no family here as our people have? To make it a fair situation only local people get council homes & others only get housed if we have any homes left. open up Blighmont Barracks huts(billets) house people who are claiming asylum or are illegals trying to claim asylum. when they know if they were successful or not then house them. but British born people should be our first concern/priority loosehead
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6:42pm Mon 17 Mar 14

southy says...

Nick Chaffey wrote:
Southampton Labour Housing policy will only maintain homelessnes and increase divisions in the city.
The solution to the housing crisis is to build housing and refurbish existing empty property. Step 1: adopt a council policy to provide affordable council housing for all. Step 2: mount a campaign of those on the waiting list with the unemployed building workers unions, UCATT and UNITE. Step 3: call for the immediate release of government funds to carry out house refurbishment and new build programme, highlighting the £750 BILLION cash pile hoarded by big business as an easy source of investment funds Step 4: use historical examples to help win support for your case, ie post war Labour government, Liverpool Council 1983.
Such a policy would eradicate the housing crisis, create thousands of jobs and help to rebuild communities across the city.
NB: adopting a policy that apes the right wing reactionary views of the Torries, UKIP and BNP will fail to solve the housing problem but encourage the scapegoating of "outsiders, foreigners, young people, scroungers, single-mums, the elderly, lazy workers and anyone else I forgot to mention for the lack of housing."
PS: the reason for the housing crisis was the failed policy of Thatcher and the Tories in selling council housing to inflate a property boom that has now crashed and left home ownership and affordable housing a pipe dream for the 99%.
Anyone out there who thinks Labour are an alternative to the ConDems should take a good look at this and ask if they should give a penny or an ounce of assistance in getting them elected in May.
For a campaign based on solving the housing crisis outlined above, campaign to re-elect Socialist Councillor Keith Morrell and the TUSC candidates standing across the city on May 22nd.
Add to that, council should fight the government to have back full control and no keep asking central government for permission
[quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: Southampton Labour Housing policy will only maintain homelessnes and increase divisions in the city. The solution to the housing crisis is to build housing and refurbish existing empty property. Step 1: adopt a council policy to provide affordable council housing for all. Step 2: mount a campaign of those on the waiting list with the unemployed building workers unions, UCATT and UNITE. Step 3: call for the immediate release of government funds to carry out house refurbishment and new build programme, highlighting the £750 BILLION cash pile hoarded by big business as an easy source of investment funds Step 4: use historical examples to help win support for your case, ie post war Labour government, Liverpool Council 1983. Such a policy would eradicate the housing crisis, create thousands of jobs and help to rebuild communities across the city. NB: adopting a policy that apes the right wing reactionary views of the Torries, UKIP and BNP will fail to solve the housing problem but encourage the scapegoating of "outsiders, foreigners, young people, scroungers, single-mums, the elderly, lazy workers and anyone else I forgot to mention for the lack of housing." PS: the reason for the housing crisis was the failed policy of Thatcher and the Tories in selling council housing to inflate a property boom that has now crashed and left home ownership and affordable housing a pipe dream for the 99%. Anyone out there who thinks Labour are an alternative to the ConDems should take a good look at this and ask if they should give a penny or an ounce of assistance in getting them elected in May. For a campaign based on solving the housing crisis outlined above, campaign to re-elect Socialist Councillor Keith Morrell and the TUSC candidates standing across the city on May 22nd.[/p][/quote]Add to that, council should fight the government to have back full control and no keep asking central government for permission southy
  • Score: 0

3:27am Tue 18 Mar 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
Nick Chaffey wrote:
Southampton Labour Housing policy will only maintain homelessnes and increase divisions in the city.
The solution to the housing crisis is to build housing and refurbish existing empty property. Step 1: adopt a council policy to provide affordable council housing for all. Step 2: mount a campaign of those on the waiting list with the unemployed building workers unions, UCATT and UNITE. Step 3: call for the immediate release of government funds to carry out house refurbishment and new build programme, highlighting the £750 BILLION cash pile hoarded by big business as an easy source of investment funds Step 4: use historical examples to help win support for your case, ie post war Labour government, Liverpool Council 1983.
Such a policy would eradicate the housing crisis, create thousands of jobs and help to rebuild communities across the city.
NB: adopting a policy that apes the right wing reactionary views of the Torries, UKIP and BNP will fail to solve the housing problem but encourage the scapegoating of "outsiders, foreigners, young people, scroungers, single-mums, the elderly, lazy workers and anyone else I forgot to mention for the lack of housing."
PS: the reason for the housing crisis was the failed policy of Thatcher and the Tories in selling council housing to inflate a property boom that has now crashed and left home ownership and affordable housing a pipe dream for the 99%.
Anyone out there who thinks Labour are an alternative to the ConDems should take a good look at this and ask if they should give a penny or an ounce of assistance in getting them elected in May.
For a campaign based on solving the housing crisis outlined above, campaign to re-elect Socialist Councillor Keith Morrell and the TUSC candidates standing across the city on May 22nd.
Add to that, council should fight the government to have back full control and no keep asking central government for permission
Fully agree with views expressed by Southy and Nick Chaffy.

This policy of NuLabour proves that having betrayed virtually all the Labour values these NuLabourites have not only made their party unofficial right wing of the Conservative Party but now they have started to move towards the right of UKIP by aping the BNP.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: Southampton Labour Housing policy will only maintain homelessnes and increase divisions in the city. The solution to the housing crisis is to build housing and refurbish existing empty property. Step 1: adopt a council policy to provide affordable council housing for all. Step 2: mount a campaign of those on the waiting list with the unemployed building workers unions, UCATT and UNITE. Step 3: call for the immediate release of government funds to carry out house refurbishment and new build programme, highlighting the £750 BILLION cash pile hoarded by big business as an easy source of investment funds Step 4: use historical examples to help win support for your case, ie post war Labour government, Liverpool Council 1983. Such a policy would eradicate the housing crisis, create thousands of jobs and help to rebuild communities across the city. NB: adopting a policy that apes the right wing reactionary views of the Torries, UKIP and BNP will fail to solve the housing problem but encourage the scapegoating of "outsiders, foreigners, young people, scroungers, single-mums, the elderly, lazy workers and anyone else I forgot to mention for the lack of housing." PS: the reason for the housing crisis was the failed policy of Thatcher and the Tories in selling council housing to inflate a property boom that has now crashed and left home ownership and affordable housing a pipe dream for the 99%. Anyone out there who thinks Labour are an alternative to the ConDems should take a good look at this and ask if they should give a penny or an ounce of assistance in getting them elected in May. For a campaign based on solving the housing crisis outlined above, campaign to re-elect Socialist Councillor Keith Morrell and the TUSC candidates standing across the city on May 22nd.[/p][/quote]Add to that, council should fight the government to have back full control and no keep asking central government for permission[/p][/quote]Fully agree with views expressed by Southy and Nick Chaffy. This policy of NuLabour proves that having betrayed virtually all the Labour values these NuLabourites have not only made their party unofficial right wing of the Conservative Party but now they have started to move towards the right of UKIP by aping the BNP. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -2

5:30am Tue 18 Mar 14

skeptik says...

Churchill said to McMillan can you build 300,000 council houses and gave him a time limit, McMillan broke all records and it has never been beaten. He warned McMillan succeed and you will be praised fail and it will be your end in politics. Upon a time I could understand party loyalty, no more, now that they are all professional politicians they might wear a different team strip but they all play the same game. Looking up the fiscal management of the nation - recessions post WW2- 1956 Tory.1961 Tory, 1973 Tory, 73/74/75 Labour. 80/81 Tory. 2008 Labour. Much is made of the 'treasury note' but there have been many of those - one Tory left 'Sorry about the mess old son'. Is the problem down to individuals, parties or as the evidence appears to show a system designed for MPs and not for the public.
Churchill said to McMillan can you build 300,000 council houses and gave him a time limit, McMillan broke all records and it has never been beaten. He warned McMillan succeed and you will be praised fail and it will be your end in politics. Upon a time I could understand party loyalty, no more, now that they are all professional politicians they might wear a different team strip but they all play the same game. Looking up the fiscal management of the nation - recessions post WW2- 1956 Tory.1961 Tory, 1973 Tory, 73/74/75 Labour. 80/81 Tory. 2008 Labour. Much is made of the 'treasury note' but there have been many of those - one Tory left 'Sorry about the mess old son'. Is the problem down to individuals, parties or as the evidence appears to show a system designed for MPs and not for the public. skeptik
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7:26am Tue 18 Mar 14

skeptik says...

Who built more council houses the Tories or Labour? Look it up.
Who built more council houses the Tories or Labour? Look it up. skeptik
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7:26am Tue 18 Mar 14

SwedeSaint says...

loosehead wrote:
bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list?
so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list?
So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it?
Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?
Doesn't mean anything of the sort, dumbo.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list? so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list? So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it? Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?[/p][/quote]Doesn't mean anything of the sort, dumbo. SwedeSaint
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7:48am Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

SwedeSaint wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list?
so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list?
So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it?
Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?
Doesn't mean anything of the sort, dumbo.
if I went to any other EU country & said"I'm homeless give me a place to live" what would they say in France? Spain? Germany?
[quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bit racist this isn't it? So if I live say in London & have been offered a low paid/moderate pay job but can't afford either private rental or haven't got enough for a deposit to buy I'm excluded from a council property but if I'm an illegal or a financial refugee I go to the top of the list? so could you come here homeless & then go to the top of the list? So if a Eastern European family comes here we say sorry you & your kids will have to rough it? Won't happen so this will only effect British born people won't it? which means a Labour council is discriminating by race who can & who can't get a council house aren't they?[/p][/quote]Doesn't mean anything of the sort, dumbo.[/p][/quote]if I went to any other EU country & said"I'm homeless give me a place to live" what would they say in France? Spain? Germany? loosehead
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9:05am Tue 18 Mar 14

southy says...

skeptik wrote:
Who built more council houses the Tories or Labour? Look it up.
none that are right of the true center ground
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Who built more council houses the Tories or Labour? Look it up.[/p][/quote]none that are right of the true center ground southy
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10:55am Tue 18 Mar 14

skeptik says...

Southy - you are certainly consistent - make statements but retreat from backing it up. Simple question who built most social housing. Try and refrain from the usual one sided drivel. Almost at the allotted biblical span - I have witnessed the most appalling governments - from both sides, we are where we are because of both of them to suggest otherwise is nonsense.
Southy - you are certainly consistent - make statements but retreat from backing it up. Simple question who built most social housing. Try and refrain from the usual one sided drivel. Almost at the allotted biblical span - I have witnessed the most appalling governments - from both sides, we are where we are because of both of them to suggest otherwise is nonsense. skeptik
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12:29pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
skeptik wrote:
Who built more council houses the Tories or Labour? Look it up.
none that are right of the true center ground
the Tory council built the first council houses in a decade!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Who built more council houses the Tories or Labour? Look it up.[/p][/quote]none that are right of the true center ground[/p][/quote]the Tory council built the first council houses in a decade! loosehead
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