Oxford Street restaurants see downturn in business as council implements new evening parking charges

Oxford Street in Southampton.

Ian Silsbury from La Esquina.

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Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

It is one of the most controversial new charges Southampton’s motorists have faced in decades.

Now businesses in a busy Southampton street have hit out at the new evening parking levy, saying it is already leading to a loss in trade.

Oxford Street traders spoke out after the controversial new charges were implemented by the city council in January.

As reported in the Daily Echo, motorists now have to pay £2 to park on city centre streets from 6pm to 8pm, and from 6pm to midnight in car parks.

Council chiefs have already admitted there have been “teething problems” with the scheme and that improvements were being carried out.

Opposition councillors have criticised its “chaotic” implementation, with motorists complaining that meters do not allow them to buy tickets before 6pm that will continue their parking session after 6pm.

The council has already changed the charges so evening parking tickets can be rolled over into the following morning after the Daily Echo highlighted the issue.

And city council leader Simon Letts told officers to amend the charges so people turning up at meters minutes before the 8pm deadline don’t have to pay the full £2.

The council says the charges will help pay for, and improve, the car parking operation. Surplus funds raised will be used on road repairs.

The council says it is on target to raise double its annual target of £200,000.

Restaurants and bars in Oxford Street say they have seen a loss in custom since the new charges came in.

Ian Silsbury, from tapas restaurant La Esquina, said: “There’s definitely been a downturn in the amount of people visiting the street in the evenings. People used to be fighting for spaces, now there are always spaces.”

Phillip Kalfas, manager of Simon’s restaurant, said: “It’s definitely had an impact on the number of people visiting.

“It seems silly. You want the streets to be busy in the evening, so what are they trying to achieve?”

Alfredo Ndoci, from Italian eatery Skoozi, said: “There has been a very, very noticeable drop in trade.

“We are already paying a lot in business rates, so why are we being penalised in another way like this?”

And Marc Wilson, manager at the White Star Tavern, said: “It’s something that a lot of people haven’t been used to and we get a lot of angry feedback from people.”

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11:22am Tue 18 Mar 14

hulla baloo says...

No thought to the evening trade of local businesses. Try and gain a few coppers, yet could end up driving custom away and closing businesses. Then they will lose out on business rates income, have a few more ghost streets and with a net income loss.
How short sighted.
No thought to the evening trade of local businesses. Try and gain a few coppers, yet could end up driving custom away and closing businesses. Then they will lose out on business rates income, have a few more ghost streets and with a net income loss. How short sighted. hulla baloo
  • Score: 32

12:42pm Tue 18 Mar 14

huckit P says...

I will definitely not go into Southampton during the evening. Why pay to park during the evening when there are excellent alternatives.
This is a very short-sighted policy and one that will drive another nail into the coffin of a once great city.
I will definitely not go into Southampton during the evening. Why pay to park during the evening when there are excellent alternatives. This is a very short-sighted policy and one that will drive another nail into the coffin of a once great city. huckit P
  • Score: 17

12:45pm Tue 18 Mar 14

townieboy says...

If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.
If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people. townieboy
  • Score: -24

12:56pm Tue 18 Mar 14

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE says...

Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times.
Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really! RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE
  • Score: 14

1:04pm Tue 18 Mar 14

hulla baloo says...

townieboy wrote:
If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.
Is not so much the amount, as the principal, and the affect on local business.
Then will it stop at only 2-00, and what other areas will also have this scheme introduced. Look at the bigger picture.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.[/p][/quote]Is not so much the amount, as the principal, and the affect on local business. Then will it stop at only 2-00, and what other areas will also have this scheme introduced. Look at the bigger picture. hulla baloo
  • Score: 14

1:31pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Might SS says...

Why don't they catch on and realise that they could pay the £2 - if you come and eat in my restaurant we will pay your £2 charge - that way one of them taking an initiative will increase trade.
Why don't they catch on and realise that they could pay the £2 - if you come and eat in my restaurant we will pay your £2 charge - that way one of them taking an initiative will increase trade. Might SS
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Tue 18 Mar 14

michaelp42 says...

I met someone who works for the Council at a business networking event a couple of weeks back. I asked him about this issue. His best / only response as to why the Council bought in evening charges.... "because other cities have done it...."

/facepalm.
I met someone who works for the Council at a business networking event a couple of weeks back. I asked him about this issue. His best / only response as to why the Council bought in evening charges.... "because other cities have done it...." /facepalm. michaelp42
  • Score: 8

2:06pm Tue 18 Mar 14

FreemantleJamez says...

michaelp42 wrote:
I met someone who works for the Council at a business networking event a couple of weeks back. I asked him about this issue. His best / only response as to why the Council bought in evening charges.... "because other cities have done it...."

/facepalm.
Indeed, I objected to Councillor Asa Thorpe about the evening parking charges and his reply was other cities already have evening parking charges. Portsmouth and Bournemouth do but Winchester and Salisbury don't have evening charges AFAIK.
[quote][p][bold]michaelp42[/bold] wrote: I met someone who works for the Council at a business networking event a couple of weeks back. I asked him about this issue. His best / only response as to why the Council bought in evening charges.... "because other cities have done it...." /facepalm.[/p][/quote]Indeed, I objected to Councillor Asa Thorpe about the evening parking charges and his reply was other cities already have evening parking charges. Portsmouth and Bournemouth do but Winchester and Salisbury don't have evening charges AFAIK. FreemantleJamez
  • Score: 5

2:16pm Tue 18 Mar 14

garlic says...

townieboy wrote:
If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.
Exactly. £2 is peanuts.

No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car.

I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.[/p][/quote]Exactly. £2 is peanuts. No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car. I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway. garlic
  • Score: -2

2:36pm Tue 18 Mar 14

BeyondImagination says...

These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.
These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 9

2:51pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote:
Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times.
Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space? loosehead
  • Score: -2

2:53pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.
I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue.
So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they?
I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.[/p][/quote]I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue. So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they? I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court? loosehead
  • Score: 4

2:56pm Tue 18 Mar 14

manic75 says...

townieboy wrote:
If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.
Why should I when there are better alternatives?
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.[/p][/quote]Why should I when there are better alternatives? manic75
  • Score: 2

3:00pm Tue 18 Mar 14

manic75 says...

garlic wrote:
townieboy wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.
Exactly. £2 is peanuts. No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car. I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway.
Yes, milk the motorist is the solution in your small minds. I have news for you. I have a choice. My choice is to not eat in Southampton. Its me, and other customers like me that keep Southampton's businesses thriving. Push me out at your peril. This is a democracy; there are more competitive places to go that cater for me - the motorist. I hope for Southampton's sake that there are hoards of pedestrians and cyclists who will be prepared to fill the void left by all the motorists they are trying to deter....
[quote][p][bold]garlic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.[/p][/quote]Exactly. £2 is peanuts. No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car. I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway.[/p][/quote]Yes, milk the motorist is the solution in your small minds. I have news for you. I have a choice. My choice is to not eat in Southampton. Its me, and other customers like me that keep Southampton's businesses thriving. Push me out at your peril. This is a democracy; there are more competitive places to go that cater for me - the motorist. I hope for Southampton's sake that there are hoards of pedestrians and cyclists who will be prepared to fill the void left by all the motorists they are trying to deter.... manic75
  • Score: 6

3:02pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

loosehead wrote:
RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?
Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?[/p][/quote]Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 3

3:02pm Tue 18 Mar 14

George4th says...

People should know by now that the Labour Party have NO Commercial sense whatsoever!
They are only trained in how to Spend! Spend! Spend!
(Example - the last Labour government)
People should know by now that the Labour Party have NO Commercial sense whatsoever! They are only trained in how to Spend! Spend! Spend! (Example - the last Labour government) George4th
  • Score: 5

3:02pm Tue 18 Mar 14

On the inside says...

loosehead wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.
I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue.
So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they?
I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?
Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.[/p][/quote]I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue. So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they? I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?[/p][/quote]Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined. On the inside
  • Score: 2

3:04pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

michaelp42 wrote:
I met someone who works for the Council at a business networking event a couple of weeks back. I asked him about this issue. His best / only response as to why the Council bought in evening charges.... "because other cities have done it...." /facepalm.
There are other things that other authorities do that we don't though and this Council, and previous administrations don't seem to have the need to follow suit. We all can see the benefit of a park & ride scheme, but they refuse to impliment it. Why ever not? A lame excuse.
[quote][p][bold]michaelp42[/bold] wrote: I met someone who works for the Council at a business networking event a couple of weeks back. I asked him about this issue. His best / only response as to why the Council bought in evening charges.... "because other cities have done it...." /facepalm.[/p][/quote]There are other things that other authorities do that we don't though and this Council, and previous administrations don't seem to have the need to follow suit. We all can see the benefit of a park & ride scheme, but they refuse to impliment it. Why ever not? A lame excuse. Maine Lobster
  • Score: -2

3:53pm Tue 18 Mar 14

townieboy says...

manic75 wrote:
garlic wrote:
townieboy wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.
Exactly. £2 is peanuts. No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car. I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway.
Yes, milk the motorist is the solution in your small minds. I have news for you. I have a choice. My choice is to not eat in Southampton. Its me, and other customers like me that keep Southampton's businesses thriving. Push me out at your peril. This is a democracy; there are more competitive places to go that cater for me - the motorist. I hope for Southampton's sake that there are hoards of pedestrians and cyclists who will be prepared to fill the void left by all the motorists they are trying to deter....
If the resturants are that worried why dont they introduce a £2 off the price of their food if you have parked ?????????? a 99% profit is better than none at all dont you think ???????????
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garlic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.[/p][/quote]Exactly. £2 is peanuts. No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car. I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway.[/p][/quote]Yes, milk the motorist is the solution in your small minds. I have news for you. I have a choice. My choice is to not eat in Southampton. Its me, and other customers like me that keep Southampton's businesses thriving. Push me out at your peril. This is a democracy; there are more competitive places to go that cater for me - the motorist. I hope for Southampton's sake that there are hoards of pedestrians and cyclists who will be prepared to fill the void left by all the motorists they are trying to deter....[/p][/quote]If the resturants are that worried why dont they introduce a £2 off the price of their food if you have parked ?????????? a 99% profit is better than none at all dont you think ??????????? townieboy
  • Score: -1

4:19pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Peter Carrson says...

Also some residents in SO14 Kingsland’s Estate with no rights to park in the zone 20 car park are now being charged. We are all students and working class in low income, most people living in 1 bedroom flats, and now we have to pay for parking in South Front, Cossack Green, Broad Green, etc… What a disgrace to pay for parking in front of your house/flat. The funny thing is the parking bays are always empty, living here for 10 years and never seen the zone20 car park full ever, but the city council still refuses to give permits to some of the residents. They don’t get it! Some of us cannot afford to pay that amount of money. It’s causing so much frustration, stress and anxiety. Make Kingsland’s Estate a parking permit area for residents with no rights to the main car park!!!
Also some residents in SO14 Kingsland’s Estate with no rights to park in the zone 20 car park are now being charged. We are all students and working class in low income, most people living in 1 bedroom flats, and now we have to pay for parking in South Front, Cossack Green, Broad Green, etc… What a disgrace to pay for parking in front of your house/flat. The funny thing is the parking bays are always empty, living here for 10 years and never seen the zone20 car park full ever, but the city council still refuses to give permits to some of the residents. They don’t get it! Some of us cannot afford to pay that amount of money. It’s causing so much frustration, stress and anxiety. Make Kingsland’s Estate a parking permit area for residents with no rights to the main car park!!! Peter Carrson
  • Score: 3

4:20pm Tue 18 Mar 14

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?
Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need.
For your Information the majority are private and not council, we the workers that have vehicles, could juggle the time zones coming back from work and then off in the morning when it was free from 6pm – 8am I thought this was 'do'able', even when people come to visit now there is a mass shortage of car parking bays and we are penalized for living in this area, what the council is saying you shouldn’t have cars!?!
It’s a disgrace and the council needs to address this, it was hard enough before now its hope less !!!
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?[/p][/quote]Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need.[/p][/quote]For your Information the majority are private and not council, we the workers that have vehicles, could juggle the time zones coming back from work and then off in the morning when it was free from 6pm – 8am I thought this was 'do'able', even when people come to visit now there is a mass shortage of car parking bays and we are penalized for living in this area, what the council is saying you shouldn’t have cars!?! It’s a disgrace and the council needs to address this, it was hard enough before now its hope less !!! RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Mugsey2 says...

They should ask the people who run Casa Brasil if trade has died off, you cant get a table for a week. All you've asked is some English bloke running a tapas bar who cant cook paella.
They should ask the people who run Casa Brasil if trade has died off, you cant get a table for a week. All you've asked is some English bloke running a tapas bar who cant cook paella. Mugsey2
  • Score: 0

4:23pm Tue 18 Mar 14

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE says...

Peter Carrson wrote:
Also some residents in SO14 Kingsland’s Estate with no rights to park in the zone 20 car park are now being charged. We are all students and working class in low income, most people living in 1 bedroom flats, and now we have to pay for parking in South Front, Cossack Green, Broad Green, etc… What a disgrace to pay for parking in front of your house/flat. The funny thing is the parking bays are always empty, living here for 10 years and never seen the zone20 car park full ever, but the city council still refuses to give permits to some of the residents. They don’t get it! Some of us cannot afford to pay that amount of money. It’s causing so much frustration, stress and anxiety. Make Kingsland’s Estate a parking permit area for residents with no rights to the main car park!!!
Try Chapel Road its the same but with out allocated parking ! and we're getting charged
[quote][p][bold]Peter Carrson[/bold] wrote: Also some residents in SO14 Kingsland’s Estate with no rights to park in the zone 20 car park are now being charged. We are all students and working class in low income, most people living in 1 bedroom flats, and now we have to pay for parking in South Front, Cossack Green, Broad Green, etc… What a disgrace to pay for parking in front of your house/flat. The funny thing is the parking bays are always empty, living here for 10 years and never seen the zone20 car park full ever, but the city council still refuses to give permits to some of the residents. They don’t get it! Some of us cannot afford to pay that amount of money. It’s causing so much frustration, stress and anxiety. Make Kingsland’s Estate a parking permit area for residents with no rights to the main car park!!![/p][/quote]Try Chapel Road its the same but with out allocated parking ! and we're getting charged RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE
  • Score: 0

4:31pm Tue 18 Mar 14

City Final says...

townieboy wrote:
manic75 wrote:
garlic wrote:
townieboy wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.
Exactly. £2 is peanuts. No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car. I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway.
Yes, milk the motorist is the solution in your small minds. I have news for you. I have a choice. My choice is to not eat in Southampton. Its me, and other customers like me that keep Southampton's businesses thriving. Push me out at your peril. This is a democracy; there are more competitive places to go that cater for me - the motorist. I hope for Southampton's sake that there are hoards of pedestrians and cyclists who will be prepared to fill the void left by all the motorists they are trying to deter....
If the resturants are that worried why dont they introduce a £2 off the price of their food if you have parked ?????????? a 99% profit is better than none at all dont you think ???????????
So on your calculations you assume restaurants are making £200 clear profit on each transaction?????????
?? Just guessing but do you by any chance have a decision making role in the council ??????????
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garlic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.[/p][/quote]Exactly. £2 is peanuts. No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car. I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway.[/p][/quote]Yes, milk the motorist is the solution in your small minds. I have news for you. I have a choice. My choice is to not eat in Southampton. Its me, and other customers like me that keep Southampton's businesses thriving. Push me out at your peril. This is a democracy; there are more competitive places to go that cater for me - the motorist. I hope for Southampton's sake that there are hoards of pedestrians and cyclists who will be prepared to fill the void left by all the motorists they are trying to deter....[/p][/quote]If the resturants are that worried why dont they introduce a £2 off the price of their food if you have parked ?????????? a 99% profit is better than none at all dont you think ???????????[/p][/quote]So on your calculations you assume restaurants are making £200 clear profit on each transaction????????? ?? Just guessing but do you by any chance have a decision making role in the council ?????????? City Final
  • Score: 1

4:33pm Tue 18 Mar 14

KSO16R says...

Mugsey2 wrote:
They should ask the people who run Casa Brasil if trade has died off, you cant get a table for a week. All you've asked is some English bloke running a tapas bar who cant cook paella.
More whinging.
[quote][p][bold]Mugsey2[/bold] wrote: They should ask the people who run Casa Brasil if trade has died off, you cant get a table for a week. All you've asked is some English bloke running a tapas bar who cant cook paella.[/p][/quote]More whinging. KSO16R
  • Score: 0

4:37pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Richard Sotonian says...

It’s all ****, I am living in SO14, no congestion or parking issues, it’s just an excuse to raise revenue. It will end with tourists and visitors going to other places, and what is worse some residents not being able to leave in the town centre.
It’s all ****, I am living in SO14, no congestion or parking issues, it’s just an excuse to raise revenue. It will end with tourists and visitors going to other places, and what is worse some residents not being able to leave in the town centre. Richard Sotonian
  • Score: 3

4:38pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Richard Sotonian says...

Richard Sotonian wrote:
It’s all ****, I am living in SO14, no congestion or parking issues, it’s just an excuse to raise revenue. It will end with tourists and visitors going to other places, and what is worse some residents not being able to leave in the town centre.
I mean not being able to "live" in the town centre.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Sotonian[/bold] wrote: It’s all ****, I am living in SO14, no congestion or parking issues, it’s just an excuse to raise revenue. It will end with tourists and visitors going to other places, and what is worse some residents not being able to leave in the town centre.[/p][/quote]I mean not being able to "live" in the town centre. Richard Sotonian
  • Score: 1

4:39pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

George4th wrote:
People should know by now that the Labour Party have NO Commercial sense whatsoever! They are only trained in how to Spend! Spend! Spend! (Example - the last Labour government)
Based on the profligate spending of the last Tory administration which frittered away £50m+ on refurbing the Civic, buying the Guildhall Square office and the Sea City Museum, you have got some nerve!
That says nothing of the £850billion spent by the coalition on bailing out the greedy bankers who squandered the national wealth on risky schemes and we are all now paying for it. Every contribution you make is pro Tory and anti Labour with absolutley no objectivity. and simple blind partisanship. Unless you can make some objective contribution, don't bother.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: People should know by now that the Labour Party have NO Commercial sense whatsoever! They are only trained in how to Spend! Spend! Spend! (Example - the last Labour government)[/p][/quote]Based on the profligate spending of the last Tory administration which frittered away £50m+ on refurbing the Civic, buying the Guildhall Square office and the Sea City Museum, you have got some nerve! That says nothing of the £850billion spent by the coalition on bailing out the greedy bankers who squandered the national wealth on risky schemes and we are all now paying for it. Every contribution you make is pro Tory and anti Labour with absolutley no objectivity. and simple blind partisanship. Unless you can make some objective contribution, don't bother. Maine Lobster
  • Score: -3

4:40pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Richard Sotonian says...

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote:
Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times.
Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
Exactly same problem here mate, life has become a nightmare for some of us living in town centre.
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]Exactly same problem here mate, life has become a nightmare for some of us living in town centre. Richard Sotonian
  • Score: 2

4:47pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Richard Sotonian says...

On the inside wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.
I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue.
So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they?
I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?
Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined.
It's just wrong to pay for parking in front of your house when there is no congestion or parking issues.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.[/p][/quote]I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue. So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they? I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?[/p][/quote]Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined.[/p][/quote]It's just wrong to pay for parking in front of your house when there is no congestion or parking issues. Richard Sotonian
  • Score: -1

5:18pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Carol.Wilkinson says...

FREE PARKING FOR RESIDENTS!!!
FREE PARKING FOR RESIDENTS!!! Carol.Wilkinson
  • Score: -1

5:21pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Brubaker45 says...

Labour did this in Derby as soon as they got in some years ago. Meters cost a fortune, wardens even more. Estimated revenue £250k. Actual revenue less than £30k - got rid of some wardens. Calculated cost to Derby economy minus £1.2 million!!!! That good enough for you Southampton?
These idiots do not care about you or me or anything except their own salaries/expenses/jo
llies. They certainly don't care one jot about business as most of them still hate private business anyway. Bet a weeks pension that the business rates will go up as well!!!
Labour did this in Derby as soon as they got in some years ago. Meters cost a fortune, wardens even more. Estimated revenue £250k. Actual revenue less than £30k - got rid of some wardens. Calculated cost to Derby economy minus £1.2 million!!!! That good enough for you Southampton? These idiots do not care about you or me or anything except their own salaries/expenses/jo llies. They certainly don't care one jot about business as most of them still hate private business anyway. Bet a weeks pension that the business rates will go up as well!!! Brubaker45
  • Score: -1

5:45pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Each restaurant could offer the two pounds off the bill.
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Then after receiving a bill for four people for about £160 they will see how poultry £2 is.
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Each restaurant could offer the two pounds off the bill. . Then after receiving a bill for four people for about £160 they will see how poultry £2 is. . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 5

5:51pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?
Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need.
a flat that's for sale is no longer a council flat or didn't you think of that?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?[/p][/quote]Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need.[/p][/quote]a flat that's for sale is no longer a council flat or didn't you think of that? loosehead
  • Score: -4

5:53pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

On the inside wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.
I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue.
So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they?
I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?
Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined.
So you can only resort to name calling whilst I was asking questions? typical Labour supporter!
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.[/p][/quote]I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue. So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they? I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?[/p][/quote]Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined.[/p][/quote]So you can only resort to name calling whilst I was asking questions? typical Labour supporter! loosehead
  • Score: -3

6:01pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
George4th wrote:
People should know by now that the Labour Party have NO Commercial sense whatsoever! They are only trained in how to Spend! Spend! Spend! (Example - the last Labour government)
Based on the profligate spending of the last Tory administration which frittered away £50m+ on refurbing the Civic, buying the Guildhall Square office and the Sea City Museum, you have got some nerve!
That says nothing of the £850billion spent by the coalition on bailing out the greedy bankers who squandered the national wealth on risky schemes and we are all now paying for it. Every contribution you make is pro Tory and anti Labour with absolutley no objectivity. and simple blind partisanship. Unless you can make some objective contribution, don't bother.
Sorry who was it who had no choice but to bail out the greedy bankers?
Who left us with a Trillion pounds debt not just £850 Billion but a Trillion?
Sea City Museum paid for by grants & money made from an ailing Industrial estate that needed at least £10million spent on it which the council received £10million & only used £5million to pay off the museum & used the other £5million to keep front line services.
So are you saying if this council repairs the Civic clock Tower that's a waste of money? as the Civic refurbishment should read general maintenance which had to be done or did you want the Civic to collapse?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: People should know by now that the Labour Party have NO Commercial sense whatsoever! They are only trained in how to Spend! Spend! Spend! (Example - the last Labour government)[/p][/quote]Based on the profligate spending of the last Tory administration which frittered away £50m+ on refurbing the Civic, buying the Guildhall Square office and the Sea City Museum, you have got some nerve! That says nothing of the £850billion spent by the coalition on bailing out the greedy bankers who squandered the national wealth on risky schemes and we are all now paying for it. Every contribution you make is pro Tory and anti Labour with absolutley no objectivity. and simple blind partisanship. Unless you can make some objective contribution, don't bother.[/p][/quote]Sorry who was it who had no choice but to bail out the greedy bankers? Who left us with a Trillion pounds debt not just £850 Billion but a Trillion? Sea City Museum paid for by grants & money made from an ailing Industrial estate that needed at least £10million spent on it which the council received £10million & only used £5million to pay off the museum & used the other £5million to keep front line services. So are you saying if this council repairs the Civic clock Tower that's a waste of money? as the Civic refurbishment should read general maintenance which had to be done or did you want the Civic to collapse? loosehead
  • Score: -2

6:03pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

On the inside wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.
I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue.
So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they?
I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?
Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined.
So are you saying Pickles didn't tell local councils not to raise revenue through car parking charges?
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.[/p][/quote]I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue. So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they? I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?[/p][/quote]Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined.[/p][/quote]So are you saying Pickles didn't tell local councils not to raise revenue through car parking charges? loosehead
  • Score: -3

6:11pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Let's say it again.The last Tory Council tried to raise revenue by raising car park charges & charging people to park at night.
They noticed a drop in revenue,they noticed considerably less people using town & decided lower car park charges & free nightly car parking was the way to go so that's what they did.
Labours manifesto clearly stated they were to charge for on street parking (residents only zones) .
They also said they were going to charge for car parks that were free but held off.
I wrote in disgust at the idea Marlborough rd car park would no longer be free yet I've heard they are still considering it now?
this in effect would kill off quite a few shops in Shirley & what extra revenue would it bring?
Let's say it again.The last Tory Council tried to raise revenue by raising car park charges & charging people to park at night. They noticed a drop in revenue,they noticed considerably less people using town & decided lower car park charges & free nightly car parking was the way to go so that's what they did. Labours manifesto clearly stated they were to charge for on street parking (residents only zones) . They also said they were going to charge for car parks that were free but held off. I wrote in disgust at the idea Marlborough rd car park would no longer be free yet I've heard they are still considering it now? this in effect would kill off quite a few shops in Shirley & what extra revenue would it bring? loosehead
  • Score: -3

6:30pm Tue 18 Mar 14

seven777. says...

Its not paying to park that I object to its this council not exercising any common sense, if I put £3 in Oxford st
on my car at something past 5pm I have paid for one peak hour at the standard £1 and £2 for the night parking but no, the traffic warden hits you with a Fu@k you and a ticket. if I want to cross the Itchen and I don’t have the exact change that’s my look out but the receipt should show how much I paid don’t you think? or is it OK for the council to make stack loads of unaccountable cash. robbers i say.
Its not paying to park that I object to its this council not exercising any common sense, if I put £3 in Oxford st on my car at something past 5pm I have paid for one peak hour at the standard £1 and £2 for the night parking but no, the traffic warden hits you with a Fu@k you and a ticket. if I want to cross the Itchen and I don’t have the exact change that’s my look out but the receipt should show how much I paid don’t you think? or is it OK for the council to make stack loads of unaccountable cash. robbers i say. seven777.
  • Score: -1

7:11pm Tue 18 Mar 14

BeyondImagination says...

On the inside wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.
I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue.
So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they?
I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?
Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined.
You don't have to be an obnoxious D1CK all the time to make a point. Or perhaps that's the best you can manage.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: These charges are unlawful under the Traffic Regulations Act 1984. Charges cannot be made simply to raise revenue but must be to alleviate of prevent congestion. Residents of Barnet took their council to court and won. Some of the affected businesses in Southampton should do the same.[/p][/quote]I think it was Eric Pickles who made it illegal to charge parking fees just to raise money/revenue. So this council are in actual fact breaking the law aren't they? I wonder how they'd like it if every resident with residential parking took them to court?[/p][/quote]Except he didn't and they are not. It is perfectly legal to raise revenue from parking as long as the money is spent within the LTP. It does not have anything to do with congestion and the money can be spent anywhere in Southampton not just the immediate area. Facts and F**kwits - so rarely co-joined.[/p][/quote]You don't have to be an obnoxious D1CK all the time to make a point. Or perhaps that's the best you can manage. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 0

7:54pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Datarater says...

Vote Labour for incompetence.
Vote Labour for incompetence. Datarater
  • Score: 0

8:23pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

loosehead wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?
Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need.
a flat that's for sale is no longer a council flat or didn't you think of that?
Buying a flat without allocated free parking is just stupid, or didn't you think of that?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?[/p][/quote]Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need.[/p][/quote]a flat that's for sale is no longer a council flat or didn't you think of that?[/p][/quote]Buying a flat without allocated free parking is just stupid, or didn't you think of that? Maine Lobster
  • Score: 4

9:10pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?
Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need.
a flat that's for sale is no longer a council flat or didn't you think of that?
Buying a flat without allocated free parking is just stupid, or didn't you think of that?
If you read my post correctly you'd see that I'd lived in Golden Grove before.I slept on my sisters Sofa.
Her husband had an allocated car parking space as a council tenant.
So when I looked at the Estate agents description of a maisonette/flat for sale in Golden Grove I was shocked to see that a parking space wasn't allocated to the flat as in most blocks of flats of that era & that the council expected you to pay a monthly fee for a space that should come with the flat as if I was a council tenant it would have been mine so I NEVER bought the flat so yes I did think of that.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?[/p][/quote]Don't but a council flat then, They should be for social housing need.[/p][/quote]a flat that's for sale is no longer a council flat or didn't you think of that?[/p][/quote]Buying a flat without allocated free parking is just stupid, or didn't you think of that?[/p][/quote]If you read my post correctly you'd see that I'd lived in Golden Grove before.I slept on my sisters Sofa. Her husband had an allocated car parking space as a council tenant. So when I looked at the Estate agents description of a maisonette/flat for sale in Golden Grove I was shocked to see that a parking space wasn't allocated to the flat as in most blocks of flats of that era & that the council expected you to pay a monthly fee for a space that should come with the flat as if I was a council tenant it would have been mine so I NEVER bought the flat so yes I did think of that. loosehead
  • Score: -4

9:15pm Tue 18 Mar 14

loosehead says...

I can't believe it when some one comes on here to say how these charges are effecting them they're being attacked.
people who could afford to buy council flats then get clobbered with a car park charge which was free as a tenant then try to sell the property but find their property is being down valued as the prospective buyers don't want to pay to park in the flats own parking space.
others who've lived in Town & have been happily parking outside their homes are now being told they'll have to pay to park their.
How soon will it be before all residents will be expected to pay the council to park in the streets where they live?
I can't believe it when some one comes on here to say how these charges are effecting them they're being attacked. people who could afford to buy council flats then get clobbered with a car park charge which was free as a tenant then try to sell the property but find their property is being down valued as the prospective buyers don't want to pay to park in the flats own parking space. others who've lived in Town & have been happily parking outside their homes are now being told they'll have to pay to park their. How soon will it be before all residents will be expected to pay the council to park in the streets where they live? loosehead
  • Score: -3

9:20pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Mary80 says...

2 quid isn't that much of a charge if you are going to then blow 18 quid on dinner
2 quid isn't that much of a charge if you are going to then blow 18 quid on dinner Mary80
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Bally_Hoo says...

All the businesses in the city centre have seen a significant drop in trade since these charges were introduced, I don't object to them extending the chargeable period from 18:00 to 20:00 (or midnight in off street car parks), it's the £2 flat rate thats causing the problem. Even if you only want to park for 30 mins, you still have to pay the full £2.

Recently I arrived at the off street car park at 17:50 and only wanted to park for 30 mins, it cost me £2.60! (60p from 17:50 to 18:00 and £2 for the remaining 20 mins).

It would have been fairer to just extend the existing daytime rates.

This is the kind of highway robbery that would make Dick Turpin proud.
All the businesses in the city centre have seen a significant drop in trade since these charges were introduced, I don't object to them extending the chargeable period from 18:00 to 20:00 (or midnight in off street car parks), it's the £2 flat rate thats causing the problem. Even if you only want to park for 30 mins, you still have to pay the full £2. Recently I arrived at the off street car park at 17:50 and only wanted to park for 30 mins, it cost me £2.60! (60p from 17:50 to 18:00 and £2 for the remaining 20 mins). It would have been fairer to just extend the existing daytime rates. This is the kind of highway robbery that would make Dick Turpin proud. Bally_Hoo
  • Score: 1

11:48pm Tue 18 Mar 14

BeyondImagination says...

You can park free at Ocean multistorey in Ocean Village from 1800 to 0200. Not tht far from Oxford Street. I do think the local businesses should get legal advice on the charges.
You can park free at Ocean multistorey in Ocean Village from 1800 to 0200. Not tht far from Oxford Street. I do think the local businesses should get legal advice on the charges. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 5

5:53am Wed 19 Mar 14

skeptik says...

Willing to accept as some say the last government overspent - why were they elected - was the government they replaced doing so well we got fed up with success? Short memories, 50 years of wrong decisions and we put it at the door of the last lot - we do so every time. 13 years of Tory misrule was the headline now we have 13 years of Labour misrule - consistent.
Willing to accept as some say the last government overspent - why were they elected - was the government they replaced doing so well we got fed up with success? Short memories, 50 years of wrong decisions and we put it at the door of the last lot - we do so every time. 13 years of Tory misrule was the headline now we have 13 years of Labour misrule - consistent. skeptik
  • Score: -2

6:13am Wed 19 Mar 14

townieboy says...

City Final wrote:
townieboy wrote:
manic75 wrote:
garlic wrote:
townieboy wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.
Exactly. £2 is peanuts. No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car. I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway.
Yes, milk the motorist is the solution in your small minds. I have news for you. I have a choice. My choice is to not eat in Southampton. Its me, and other customers like me that keep Southampton's businesses thriving. Push me out at your peril. This is a democracy; there are more competitive places to go that cater for me - the motorist. I hope for Southampton's sake that there are hoards of pedestrians and cyclists who will be prepared to fill the void left by all the motorists they are trying to deter....
If the resturants are that worried why dont they introduce a £2 off the price of their food if you have parked ?????????? a 99% profit is better than none at all dont you think ???????????
So on your calculations you assume restaurants are making £200 clear profit on each transaction????????? ?? Just guessing but do you by any chance have a decision making role in the council ??????????
How about when youve had your meal just dont leave a tip to help meet the £2 parking charge ???????????
[quote][p][bold]City Final[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garlic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.[/p][/quote]Exactly. £2 is peanuts. No one's forcing people to drive everywhere either, if they can't afford to pay £2 for parking then they shouldn't really be able to afford a car. I've never understood why people feel they have some kind of human right to store their cars (sizeable private property) in public areas for free anyway.[/p][/quote]Yes, milk the motorist is the solution in your small minds. I have news for you. I have a choice. My choice is to not eat in Southampton. Its me, and other customers like me that keep Southampton's businesses thriving. Push me out at your peril. This is a democracy; there are more competitive places to go that cater for me - the motorist. I hope for Southampton's sake that there are hoards of pedestrians and cyclists who will be prepared to fill the void left by all the motorists they are trying to deter....[/p][/quote]If the resturants are that worried why dont they introduce a £2 off the price of their food if you have parked ?????????? a 99% profit is better than none at all dont you think ???????????[/p][/quote]So on your calculations you assume restaurants are making £200 clear profit on each transaction????????? ?? Just guessing but do you by any chance have a decision making role in the council ??????????[/p][/quote]How about when youve had your meal just dont leave a tip to help meet the £2 parking charge ??????????? townieboy
  • Score: 1

8:12am Wed 19 Mar 14

Might SS says...

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote:
Peter Carrson wrote: Also some residents in SO14 Kingsland’s Estate with no rights to park in the zone 20 car park are now being charged. We are all students and working class in low income, most people living in 1 bedroom flats, and now we have to pay for parking in South Front, Cossack Green, Broad Green, etc… What a disgrace to pay for parking in front of your house/flat. The funny thing is the parking bays are always empty, living here for 10 years and never seen the zone20 car park full ever, but the city council still refuses to give permits to some of the residents. They don’t get it! Some of us cannot afford to pay that amount of money. It’s causing so much frustration, stress and anxiety. Make Kingsland’s Estate a parking permit area for residents with no rights to the main car park!!!
Try Chapel Road its the same but with out allocated parking ! and we're getting charged
If you choose to live in the city centre it is likely you will have to pay to park - if you live in teh city centre you are less likely to need a car as you can walk. If you are a student then running a car is expensive -my daughter had to sell her car when she went to Uni to pay for her accommodation.
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter Carrson[/bold] wrote: Also some residents in SO14 Kingsland’s Estate with no rights to park in the zone 20 car park are now being charged. We are all students and working class in low income, most people living in 1 bedroom flats, and now we have to pay for parking in South Front, Cossack Green, Broad Green, etc… What a disgrace to pay for parking in front of your house/flat. The funny thing is the parking bays are always empty, living here for 10 years and never seen the zone20 car park full ever, but the city council still refuses to give permits to some of the residents. They don’t get it! Some of us cannot afford to pay that amount of money. It’s causing so much frustration, stress and anxiety. Make Kingsland’s Estate a parking permit area for residents with no rights to the main car park!!![/p][/quote]Try Chapel Road its the same but with out allocated parking ! and we're getting charged[/p][/quote]If you choose to live in the city centre it is likely you will have to pay to park - if you live in teh city centre you are less likely to need a car as you can walk. If you are a student then running a car is expensive -my daughter had to sell her car when she went to Uni to pay for her accommodation. Might SS
  • Score: 2

8:13am Wed 19 Mar 14

Might SS says...

loosehead wrote:
RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?
We all have to pay
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?[/p][/quote]We all have to pay Might SS
  • Score: 1

9:00am Wed 19 Mar 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

loosehead wrote:
Let's say it again.The last Tory Council tried to raise revenue by raising car park charges & charging people to park at night.
They noticed a drop in revenue,they noticed considerably less people using town & decided lower car park charges & free nightly car parking was the way to go so that's what they did.
Labours manifesto clearly stated they were to charge for on street parking (residents only zones) .
They also said they were going to charge for car parks that were free but held off.
I wrote in disgust at the idea Marlborough rd car park would no longer be free yet I've heard they are still considering it now?
this in effect would kill off quite a few shops in Shirley & what extra revenue would it bring?
The only source of this story is a conservative party leaflet that was distributed just before Christmas. I checked - there are no plans to introduce car parking charges in Marlborough Road. This sort of deliberate disinformation (er......lies) only diminishes local business confidence. It is disgraceful that people like you perpetuate these lies and undermine the very local businesses you claim to support.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's say it again.The last Tory Council tried to raise revenue by raising car park charges & charging people to park at night. They noticed a drop in revenue,they noticed considerably less people using town & decided lower car park charges & free nightly car parking was the way to go so that's what they did. Labours manifesto clearly stated they were to charge for on street parking (residents only zones) . They also said they were going to charge for car parks that were free but held off. I wrote in disgust at the idea Marlborough rd car park would no longer be free yet I've heard they are still considering it now? this in effect would kill off quite a few shops in Shirley & what extra revenue would it bring?[/p][/quote]The only source of this story is a conservative party leaflet that was distributed just before Christmas. I checked - there are no plans to introduce car parking charges in Marlborough Road. This sort of deliberate disinformation (er......lies) only diminishes local business confidence. It is disgraceful that people like you perpetuate these lies and undermine the very local businesses you claim to support. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 2

9:19am Wed 19 Mar 14

Carol.Wilkinson says...

Might SS wrote:
loosehead wrote:
RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?
We all have to pay
Residents shouldn't pay.
[quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?[/p][/quote]We all have to pay[/p][/quote]Residents shouldn't pay. Carol.Wilkinson
  • Score: 0

9:41am Wed 19 Mar 14

Carol.Wilkinson says...

FreemantleJamez wrote:
michaelp42 wrote:
I met someone who works for the Council at a business networking event a couple of weeks back. I asked him about this issue. His best / only response as to why the Council bought in evening charges.... "because other cities have done it...."

/facepalm.
Indeed, I objected to Councillor Asa Thorpe about the evening parking charges and his reply was other cities already have evening parking charges. Portsmouth and Bournemouth do but Winchester and Salisbury don't have evening charges AFAIK.
And residents are well covered in Bournemouth and Portsmouth and there are plenty of residents permit areas, not like here in Southampton where many residents have to pay for parking.
[quote][p][bold]FreemantleJamez[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]michaelp42[/bold] wrote: I met someone who works for the Council at a business networking event a couple of weeks back. I asked him about this issue. His best / only response as to why the Council bought in evening charges.... "because other cities have done it...." /facepalm.[/p][/quote]Indeed, I objected to Councillor Asa Thorpe about the evening parking charges and his reply was other cities already have evening parking charges. Portsmouth and Bournemouth do but Winchester and Salisbury don't have evening charges AFAIK.[/p][/quote]And residents are well covered in Bournemouth and Portsmouth and there are plenty of residents permit areas, not like here in Southampton where many residents have to pay for parking. Carol.Wilkinson
  • Score: 1

10:20am Wed 19 Mar 14

loosehead says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Let's say it again.The last Tory Council tried to raise revenue by raising car park charges & charging people to park at night.
They noticed a drop in revenue,they noticed considerably less people using town & decided lower car park charges & free nightly car parking was the way to go so that's what they did.
Labours manifesto clearly stated they were to charge for on street parking (residents only zones) .
They also said they were going to charge for car parks that were free but held off.
I wrote in disgust at the idea Marlborough rd car park would no longer be free yet I've heard they are still considering it now?
this in effect would kill off quite a few shops in Shirley & what extra revenue would it bring?
The only source of this story is a conservative party leaflet that was distributed just before Christmas. I checked - there are no plans to introduce car parking charges in Marlborough Road. This sort of deliberate disinformation (er......lies) only diminishes local business confidence. It is disgraceful that people like you perpetuate these lies and undermine the very local businesses you claim to support.
sorry it wasn't a Tory leaflet but an interview by this paper with a Labour councillor who said about Marlborough so are you calling the journalist a liar like Cllr Williams did?
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's say it again.The last Tory Council tried to raise revenue by raising car park charges & charging people to park at night. They noticed a drop in revenue,they noticed considerably less people using town & decided lower car park charges & free nightly car parking was the way to go so that's what they did. Labours manifesto clearly stated they were to charge for on street parking (residents only zones) . They also said they were going to charge for car parks that were free but held off. I wrote in disgust at the idea Marlborough rd car park would no longer be free yet I've heard they are still considering it now? this in effect would kill off quite a few shops in Shirley & what extra revenue would it bring?[/p][/quote]The only source of this story is a conservative party leaflet that was distributed just before Christmas. I checked - there are no plans to introduce car parking charges in Marlborough Road. This sort of deliberate disinformation (er......lies) only diminishes local business confidence. It is disgraceful that people like you perpetuate these lies and undermine the very local businesses you claim to support.[/p][/quote]sorry it wasn't a Tory leaflet but an interview by this paper with a Labour councillor who said about Marlborough so are you calling the journalist a liar like Cllr Williams did? loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:23am Wed 19 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Might SS wrote:
loosehead wrote:
RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really!
I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?
We all have to pay
so a allocated parking space that at that time would have been free if I was a council tenant & was part & parcel of the flat a person who buys that flat doesn't automatically get that flats car park bay?
[quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Also chapel road in SO14 area, there are residents with out parking, they used have parking bays that were free from 6pm to 8am now you have to pay for the privilege of parking out side your own home at these times. Even guest visiting now have to pay it’s a joke will the council be looking at this also??? It’s a disgrace really![/p][/quote]I looked at a flat/maisonette in Golden Grove as I once lived there,the flats come with a parking space but for some reason if I bought the flat the council would charge me for the parking space each month how on earth is that right if it's that flat's parking space?[/p][/quote]We all have to pay[/p][/quote]so a allocated parking space that at that time would have been free if I was a council tenant & was part & parcel of the flat a person who buys that flat doesn't automatically get that flats car park bay? loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:27am Wed 19 Mar 14

loosehead says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Let's say it again.The last Tory Council tried to raise revenue by raising car park charges & charging people to park at night.
They noticed a drop in revenue,they noticed considerably less people using town & decided lower car park charges & free nightly car parking was the way to go so that's what they did.
Labours manifesto clearly stated they were to charge for on street parking (residents only zones) .
They also said they were going to charge for car parks that were free but held off.
I wrote in disgust at the idea Marlborough rd car park would no longer be free yet I've heard they are still considering it now?
this in effect would kill off quite a few shops in Shirley & what extra revenue would it bring?
The only source of this story is a conservative party leaflet that was distributed just before Christmas. I checked - there are no plans to introduce car parking charges in Marlborough Road. This sort of deliberate disinformation (er......lies) only diminishes local business confidence. It is disgraceful that people like you perpetuate these lies and undermine the very local businesses you claim to support.
once again another left winger calling me a liar?
For your information when I read the article by a Labour Councillor I applied for a parking pass which cost me £1 per year to park in Shirley Baptist churches car park & as I go there I got my pass.
So If Labour want to hammer shops out of existence go ahead & charge but calling me a liar & making up a story about a so called Tory leaflet is a joke try contacting the Echo & find out who released that information before calling people liars!
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's say it again.The last Tory Council tried to raise revenue by raising car park charges & charging people to park at night. They noticed a drop in revenue,they noticed considerably less people using town & decided lower car park charges & free nightly car parking was the way to go so that's what they did. Labours manifesto clearly stated they were to charge for on street parking (residents only zones) . They also said they were going to charge for car parks that were free but held off. I wrote in disgust at the idea Marlborough rd car park would no longer be free yet I've heard they are still considering it now? this in effect would kill off quite a few shops in Shirley & what extra revenue would it bring?[/p][/quote]The only source of this story is a conservative party leaflet that was distributed just before Christmas. I checked - there are no plans to introduce car parking charges in Marlborough Road. This sort of deliberate disinformation (er......lies) only diminishes local business confidence. It is disgraceful that people like you perpetuate these lies and undermine the very local businesses you claim to support.[/p][/quote]once again another left winger calling me a liar? For your information when I read the article by a Labour Councillor I applied for a parking pass which cost me £1 per year to park in Shirley Baptist churches car park & as I go there I got my pass. So If Labour want to hammer shops out of existence go ahead & charge but calling me a liar & making up a story about a so called Tory leaflet is a joke try contacting the Echo & find out who released that information before calling people liars! loosehead
  • Score: 1

10:30am Wed 19 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Could any one who's pro Labour have a peek at their manifesto & see what it says about charging to park in residential car parking zones & say if this was there before the local elections?
Maybe then we'll destroy this Labour myth it's only because of government cuts!
Could any one who's pro Labour have a peek at their manifesto & see what it says about charging to park in residential car parking zones & say if this was there before the local elections? Maybe then we'll destroy this Labour myth it's only because of government cuts! loosehead
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Datarater says...

Might SS wrote:
Why don't they catch on and realise that they could pay the £2 - if you come and eat in my restaurant we will pay your £2 charge - that way one of them taking an initiative will increase trade.
You still pay. There is no such thing free lunch.
[quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: Why don't they catch on and realise that they could pay the £2 - if you come and eat in my restaurant we will pay your £2 charge - that way one of them taking an initiative will increase trade.[/p][/quote]You still pay. There is no such thing free lunch. Datarater
  • Score: 0

4:50pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Datarater says...

townieboy wrote:
If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.
If you are used to calling in for quick drink after work that is more than £400 per year. Try not to argue about the small issues like someone doing it once a year look at the bigger picture which really hurts the retailer.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: If your out foe a meal in Oxford Street you can easly afford £2 for parking. Get real people.[/p][/quote]If you are used to calling in for quick drink after work that is more than £400 per year. Try not to argue about the small issues like someone doing it once a year look at the bigger picture which really hurts the retailer. Datarater
  • Score: 0

5:06pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Datarater says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
George4th wrote:
People should know by now that the Labour Party have NO Commercial sense whatsoever! They are only trained in how to Spend! Spend! Spend! (Example - the last Labour government)
Based on the profligate spending of the last Tory administration which frittered away £50m+ on refurbing the Civic, buying the Guildhall Square office and the Sea City Museum, you have got some nerve!
That says nothing of the £850billion spent by the coalition on bailing out the greedy bankers who squandered the national wealth on risky schemes and we are all now paying for it. Every contribution you make is pro Tory and anti Labour with absolutley no objectivity. and simple blind partisanship. Unless you can make some objective contribution, don't bother.
Notice your ad hominem.

This usually means you are really trying to assert your facts rather than expecting of us to believe them. Yes you are correct, I don't.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: People should know by now that the Labour Party have NO Commercial sense whatsoever! They are only trained in how to Spend! Spend! Spend! (Example - the last Labour government)[/p][/quote]Based on the profligate spending of the last Tory administration which frittered away £50m+ on refurbing the Civic, buying the Guildhall Square office and the Sea City Museum, you have got some nerve! That says nothing of the £850billion spent by the coalition on bailing out the greedy bankers who squandered the national wealth on risky schemes and we are all now paying for it. Every contribution you make is pro Tory and anti Labour with absolutley no objectivity. and simple blind partisanship. Unless you can make some objective contribution, don't bother.[/p][/quote]Notice your ad hominem. This usually means you are really trying to assert your facts rather than expecting of us to believe them. Yes you are correct, I don't. Datarater
  • Score: 1

5:14pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Datarater says...

Mary80 wrote:
2 quid isn't that much of a charge if you are going to then blow 18 quid on dinner
It's an 11% tax.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: 2 quid isn't that much of a charge if you are going to then blow 18 quid on dinner[/p][/quote]It's an 11% tax. Datarater
  • Score: 2

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