Trips from Lymington to Portsmouth quicker via Isle of Wight Ferry than cars due to congested roads

Daily Echo: Gosport MP Caroline Dinenage said the 'hideously busy' M27 is holding back Hampshire business Gosport MP Caroline Dinenage said the 'hideously busy' M27 is holding back Hampshire business

RESIDENTS living in a Hampshire town can get to Portsmouth quicker on a ferry via the Isle of Wight - because the south's roads are so congested.

That was the claim made during a House of Commons debate in which a Hampshire MP criticised the county's gridlocked roads and plodding trains.

Transport minister Stephen Hammond agreed with Caroline Dinenage who described the “hidesously busy” M27 as holding back business in the region.

The Conservative MP said: “The distance between Portsmouth and Southampton is just 20 miles, yet, at peak times, that journey can take well over an hour by road.

“The journey by rail often takes the same time, as there are only two or three direct trains an hour.

“Inevitably, slow journey times and poor service frequency on the rail network mean that more and more people take to the roads, thus clogging up the already hideously busy M27.

“I have heard that it can be quicker for commuters in the extreme western end of the Solent to get to Portsmouth via the Isle of Wight, which involves taking two ferries, than by using the M27, which is clearly ridiculous."

Daily Echo: Traffic congestion on the M27

She added: “Such wholly inadequate connections are more than just an annoyance - they hold back business.”

Speaking after the debate, Ms Dinenage said frustrated commuters from the Lymington area had told her they travelled via the Isle of Wight.

In reply, Mr Hammond - who was “born and bred in Southampton” - admitted improvements were needed, but pointed to projects in the pipeline, including: BLOB 'Smart motorway' schemes - which will allow the hard shoulder to be converted into an extra lane for motorists.

They are due to come in between junctions nine and 14 of the M3, from Winchester to Southampton, and between junctions four and 11 of the M27, from Portsmouth to Southampton.

  • More than £10m pledged to tackle two 'pinch points' on junctions three and five of the M27, cutting congestion and improving safety.
  • Funding for Southampton City Council's 'Bridges to Prosperity' project - for essential works on six key bridges into the docks area.
  • Transport cash, to be allocated to local enterprise partnerships (LEPs) this summer, from the £2bn 'local growth fund'.

Mr Hammond told Ms Dinenage: “The powerful case that she has made has reminded us of the importance of an effective transport network for the economy. 

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8:33am Wed 19 Mar 14

FreemantleJamez says...

How about completing Whitely Way and improving local access roads, this would help reduce congestion on the M27
How about completing Whitely Way and improving local access roads, this would help reduce congestion on the M27 FreemantleJamez
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8:34am Wed 19 Mar 14

Danae says...

Why not reduce commuting?

Two thirds of office workers, for a start, could be working online from home already.

This would massively free up the roads.

It would also raise productivity, save large amounts of time, cut pollution and cut costs.
Why not reduce commuting? Two thirds of office workers, for a start, could be working online from home already. This would massively free up the roads. It would also raise productivity, save large amounts of time, cut pollution and cut costs. Danae
  • Score: 9

8:47am Wed 19 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

Danae wrote:
Why not reduce commuting?

Two thirds of office workers, for a start, could be working online from home already.

This would massively free up the roads.

It would also raise productivity, save large amounts of time, cut pollution and cut costs.
It sounds simple in theory, of course, but it isn't. While it might be simple enough for a company to say "we will allow those who can work from home to do so" - it's not that simple, but let's pretend it is - it isn't quite so simple for the government to make it happen. The only options I see them having are to offer tax breaks to companies that do so, or to make it a legal requirement. The first one, the entire tax payers alliance, and all the endless anti-business complainants and whingers will be screaming their little heads off at, and the second one will serve to make things difficult for smaller business, and in all probability be easily circumvented by larger companies. It's also a level of state involvement most of us shouldn't be comfortable with.

I'm in favour of option 1: giving tax incentives to encourage home working. But it needs the "wah I'm the only person in the universe paying any tax" brigade to stop being to selfish and buy into the greater good, for it to have any hope of working at all.
[quote][p][bold]Danae[/bold] wrote: Why not reduce commuting? Two thirds of office workers, for a start, could be working online from home already. This would massively free up the roads. It would also raise productivity, save large amounts of time, cut pollution and cut costs.[/p][/quote]It sounds simple in theory, of course, but it isn't. While it might be simple enough for a company to say "we will allow those who can work from home to do so" - it's not that simple, but let's pretend it is - it isn't quite so simple for the government to make it happen. The only options I see them having are to offer tax breaks to companies that do so, or to make it a legal requirement. The first one, the entire tax payers alliance, and all the endless anti-business complainants and whingers will be screaming their little heads off at, and the second one will serve to make things difficult for smaller business, and in all probability be easily circumvented by larger companies. It's also a level of state involvement most of us shouldn't be comfortable with. I'm in favour of option 1: giving tax incentives to encourage home working. But it needs the "wah I'm the only person in the universe paying any tax" brigade to stop being to selfish and buy into the greater good, for it to have any hope of working at all. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 4

9:56am Wed 19 Mar 14

derek james says...

another consequence of encouraging ever more to live in the already overpopulated south, not just the roads but schools and doctors surgeries as well.why not let motorcycles only use the hard shoulder, most cars only have one person aboard, the more that switched to two wheels the better
another consequence of encouraging ever more to live in the already overpopulated south, not just the roads but schools and doctors surgeries as well.why not let motorcycles only use the hard shoulder, most cars only have one person aboard, the more that switched to two wheels the better derek james
  • Score: 3

10:33am Wed 19 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

Delicious.

And when Keith House and his Lib Dem cronies have built all over Hedge End, Botley, and Boorley Green, there will be even more pressure on the M27.

I might even cycle to one of the bridges to have a look and relish the misery, because working from home gives me that flexibility.
Delicious. And when Keith House and his Lib Dem cronies have built all over Hedge End, Botley, and Boorley Green, there will be even more pressure on the M27. I might even cycle to one of the bridges to have a look and relish the misery, because working from home gives me that flexibility. From the sidelines
  • Score: 1

12:09pm Wed 19 Mar 14

SilvanDryad says...

You need fast broadband to be able to work from home. Which we haven't got and have no prospect of,under the current plans for Hampshire rural broadband.
You need fast broadband to be able to work from home. Which we haven't got and have no prospect of,under the current plans for Hampshire rural broadband. SilvanDryad
  • Score: 2

12:10pm Wed 19 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

SilvanDryad wrote:
You need fast broadband to be able to work from home. Which we haven't got and have no prospect of,under the current plans for Hampshire rural broadband.
You don't necessarily need fast broadband, it all depends what you're doing. I've video-conferenced from home quite happily on a 2mb connection in the past.
[quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: You need fast broadband to be able to work from home. Which we haven't got and have no prospect of,under the current plans for Hampshire rural broadband.[/p][/quote]You don't necessarily need fast broadband, it all depends what you're doing. I've video-conferenced from home quite happily on a 2mb connection in the past. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 3

12:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Jesta-a-View says...

...and it is even quicker by Helicopter but sadly, my car won't fly and the ferry does stop at Poundland in Basingstoke!
...and it is even quicker by Helicopter but sadly, my car won't fly and the ferry does stop at Poundland in Basingstoke! Jesta-a-View
  • Score: 2

12:26pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Jesta-a-View says...

Oh joy...I can use Poundland in Lymington and Portsmouth and do not have to go to Basingstoke at all. TAXI.
Oh joy...I can use Poundland in Lymington and Portsmouth and do not have to go to Basingstoke at all. TAXI. Jesta-a-View
  • Score: -1

1:34pm Wed 19 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

Jesta-a-View wrote:
Oh joy...I can use Poundland in Lymington and Portsmouth and do not have to go to Basingstoke at all. TAXI.
Yeh right. We really believe you ever leave the house.
[quote][p][bold]Jesta-a-View[/bold] wrote: Oh joy...I can use Poundland in Lymington and Portsmouth and do not have to go to Basingstoke at all. TAXI.[/p][/quote]Yeh right. We really believe you ever leave the house. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Farehamscareham says...

And when Sean Woodward and his Tory cronies have built all over Fareham North 7000, Stubbington 1500, Fareham College 200, Daedalus 1500 & Portchester 25, there will be even more pressure on the M27.
And when Sean Woodward and his Tory cronies have built all over Fareham North 7000, Stubbington 1500, Fareham College 200, Daedalus 1500 & Portchester 25, there will be even more pressure on the M27. Farehamscareham
  • Score: 1

7:57pm Wed 19 Mar 14

dans_t16s says...

Jesta-a-View wrote:
Oh joy...I can use Poundland in Lymington and Portsmouth and do not have to go to Basingstoke at all. TAXI.
Lymington has a Poundland?!?! I thought even Waitrose was too downmarket for Lymington!
[quote][p][bold]Jesta-a-View[/bold] wrote: Oh joy...I can use Poundland in Lymington and Portsmouth and do not have to go to Basingstoke at all. TAXI.[/p][/quote]Lymington has a Poundland?!?! I thought even Waitrose was too downmarket for Lymington! dans_t16s
  • Score: 0

4:44pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Dan Soton says...

MP Caroline Dinenage says.. It's quicker by ferry - because the south's roads are so congested.


Go back 100 years.. the Royal Pier was the centre for ferry operations to destinations all along the South Coast, Portsmouth, Brighton, Bournemouth and Weymouth

Who knows someday we might see a service revived using thousands of high-speed hybrid electric ferries, sending no doubt all the South Coast Yachties on the warpath.. but who'd care, getting to work in half the time would outweigh all and any objections.


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MP Caroline Dinenage says.. It's quicker by ferry - because the south's roads are so congested. Go back 100 years.. the Royal Pier was the centre for ferry operations to destinations all along the South Coast, Portsmouth, Brighton, Bournemouth and Weymouth Who knows someday we might see a service revived using thousands of high-speed hybrid electric ferries, sending no doubt all the South Coast Yachties on the warpath.. but who'd care, getting to work in half the time would outweigh all and any objections. http://www.siemens.c om/innovation/apps/p of_microsite/_pof-sp ring-2013/_html_en/e lectric-ferries.html ,, Dan Soton
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