Southampton Council agree new 'local homes for local families' rule

Three-year residency rule for Southampton Council house

Three-year residency rule for Southampton Council house

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ONLY people who have lived in Southampton for three years or more will be able to get on the council housing list after councillors agreed to new proposals.

Last night Southampton City Council’s Labour Cabinet passed new rules to change its policy for how housing is allocated.

Around 15,000 people currently sit on the waiting list for a council house in the city and the authority hopes the new rules will cut that figure.

Those serving in the armed forces will be exempt from the new rules.

Cllr Warwick Payne, pictured, Cabinet member for housing and sustainability, said it will ensure “local homes go to local families”.

He said: “The very real issue is that demand greatly outstrips supply in our city.

“All we need above all else is quality new housing for our city. “This discussion is about how we spread the butter more thinly, and the real solution is to get more butter, but we need to make sure the housing is allocated as fairly as possible.”

Cllr Peter Ballie, Conservative ward member for Bitterne Park, criticised part of the proposals, which will allow people on high incomes to stay in council accommodation.

He said: “I think that not taking tenants’ earnings into account is absolutely bizarre – why should someone on £50,000 a year have a council house?

“Council houses are for the most needy in our society. The idea of a council home is it can be used for a step up to move onto other things.”

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3:44pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Graeme Harrison says...

“All we need above all else is quality new housing for our city. “This discussion is about how we spread the butter more thinly, and the real solution is to get more butter, but we need to make sure the housing is allocated as fairly as possible.”

So the answer to the problem of not enough public sector housing is to not build the additional housing that's required!
Congratulations to all the city's politicians for coming up with this non-solution to the problem.
“All we need above all else is quality new housing for our city. “This discussion is about how we spread the butter more thinly, and the real solution is to get more butter, but we need to make sure the housing is allocated as fairly as possible.” So the answer to the problem of not enough public sector housing is to not build the additional housing that's required! Congratulations to all the city's politicians for coming up with this non-solution to the problem. Graeme Harrison
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5:08pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Why are there so many empty Council houses, it seems ages before they are occupied.
Why are there so many empty Council houses, it seems ages before they are occupied. OSPREYSAINT
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6:12pm Wed 19 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family bigfella777
  • Score: -1

6:35pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Rather than building more housing units the NuLabourites cotroling Southampton Council have started aping the xenophobic ideas of UKIP and their Cllr. Payne is using the presentational language of the BNP.

Obviously they have not learnt any lesson from their bungling specialist Brown causing them huge embrassment with his xenophobic sound bite 'British jobs for British workers' as some of them keep on claiming.

Or it may be the sign of even more shift towards the right by those who have turned their backs to the compassionate values of good old Labour Party.

Considering NuLabour's national leadership is supporting the new regime in Ukraine, which contains Neo Nazis and semi fascist elements, the language likes of Cllr. Payne is using could be a matter of great concern, because if anybody from other parties like Tories used such terms the same NuLabour mob will be accusing them of every thing.

Winding people of Southampton against all others including British people is not going to solve the housing shortage, even Conservative Prime Minister McMillan knew that, which is why under him record number of new council houses were built. (But later on his own party started selling those for cheap political purpose)

When disturbingly large number of workers are out of jobs building new units will not only solve the housing crisis, it will also decrease unemployment and save on unemployment benefits.
Rather than building more housing units the NuLabourites cotroling Southampton Council have started aping the xenophobic ideas of UKIP and their Cllr. Payne is using the presentational language of the BNP. Obviously they have not learnt any lesson from their bungling specialist Brown causing them huge embrassment with his xenophobic sound bite 'British jobs for British workers' as some of them keep on claiming. Or it may be the sign of even more shift towards the right by those who have turned their backs to the compassionate values of good old Labour Party. Considering NuLabour's national leadership is supporting the new regime in Ukraine, which contains Neo Nazis and semi fascist elements, the language likes of Cllr. Payne is using could be a matter of great concern, because if anybody from other parties like Tories used such terms the same NuLabour mob will be accusing them of every thing. Winding people of Southampton against all others including British people is not going to solve the housing shortage, even Conservative Prime Minister McMillan knew that, which is why under him record number of new council houses were built. (But later on his own party started selling those for cheap political purpose) When disturbingly large number of workers are out of jobs building new units will not only solve the housing crisis, it will also decrease unemployment and save on unemployment benefits. Paramjit Bahia
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6:57pm Wed 19 Mar 14

loosehead says...

bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy loosehead
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7:19pm Wed 19 Mar 14

mosaics says...

loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.? mosaics
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7:21pm Wed 19 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
How much will they lend now 3 x salary? Hardly enough for a house. Loads of family's with both parents working getting 50k between them.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]How much will they lend now 3 x salary? Hardly enough for a house. Loads of family's with both parents working getting 50k between them. bigfella777
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7:38pm Wed 19 Mar 14

kyrrie says...

mosaics wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.
[quote][p][bold]mosaics[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?[/p][/quote]Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support. kyrrie
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7:42pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time? Paramjit Bahia
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7:47pm Wed 19 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

kyrrie wrote:
mosaics wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.
I understand where you are coming from but when did you buy your house? Could you afford to get on the ladder now with average house price when the banks wont lend above 3x your salary?
[quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mosaics[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?[/p][/quote]Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.[/p][/quote]I understand where you are coming from but when did you buy your house? Could you afford to get on the ladder now with average house price when the banks wont lend above 3x your salary? bigfella777
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7:49pm Wed 19 Mar 14

kyrrie says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time?
Why does it need to be 4 bedrooms? Can children not share anymore......
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time?[/p][/quote]Why does it need to be 4 bedrooms? Can children not share anymore...... kyrrie
  • Score: 6

7:55pm Wed 19 Mar 14

kyrrie says...

bigfella777 wrote:
kyrrie wrote:
mosaics wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.
I understand where you are coming from but when did you buy your house? Could you afford to get on the ladder now with average house price when the banks wont lend above 3x your salary?
Yes I could, I would save really hard and live by my means and not above them like I'm afraid so many do these days. I do understand it's really hard but we made a lot of sacrifices to have what we've got, no holidays ,gave up smoking, didn't go out for a long time etc and yes sometimes it's really hard but I wanted my own home to be proud of.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mosaics[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?[/p][/quote]Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.[/p][/quote]I understand where you are coming from but when did you buy your house? Could you afford to get on the ladder now with average house price when the banks wont lend above 3x your salary?[/p][/quote]Yes I could, I would save really hard and live by my means and not above them like I'm afraid so many do these days. I do understand it's really hard but we made a lot of sacrifices to have what we've got, no holidays ,gave up smoking, didn't go out for a long time etc and yes sometimes it's really hard but I wanted my own home to be proud of. kyrrie
  • Score: 7

8:03pm Wed 19 Mar 14

southy says...

If the council housing list is 15,000 family,s then the answer is not to ask government for permission to build new council homes they are never going to give permission of that number they might be lucky and get permission to build a few hundred new homes over 3 to 5 years, the answer is go ahead and build that number and stop selling council land assets to the private sector
If the council housing list is 15,000 family,s then the answer is not to ask government for permission to build new council homes they are never going to give permission of that number they might be lucky and get permission to build a few hundred new homes over 3 to 5 years, the answer is go ahead and build that number and stop selling council land assets to the private sector southy
  • Score: 1

8:09pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

kyrrie wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time?
Why does it need to be 4 bedrooms? Can children not share anymore......
When living in society in which Tory MP needed duck house even for his bird and that too be paid for out of public funds surely it can't be too much for hard working parents to desire a bedroom each for their children. Or you may want to drag the living standrads of working classes to Dickensian times, which some of us don't want to see again.
[quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time?[/p][/quote]Why does it need to be 4 bedrooms? Can children not share anymore......[/p][/quote]When living in society in which Tory MP needed duck house even for his bird and that too be paid for out of public funds surely it can't be too much for hard working parents to desire a bedroom each for their children. Or you may want to drag the living standrads of working classes to Dickensian times, which some of us don't want to see again. Paramjit Bahia
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8:25pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
If the council housing list is 15,000 family,s then the answer is not to ask government for permission to build new council homes they are never going to give permission of that number they might be lucky and get permission to build a few hundred new homes over 3 to 5 years, the answer is go ahead and build that number and stop selling council land assets to the private sector
For doing that we need councillors with will and principles, sadly in Southampton we have accute shortage of those, because while transforming from Labour to NuLabour as unofficial right wing of the Tories Miliband's mob has not only ditched comittment to serve ordinary folks they have also expelled two councillors from their party because they stood for and with the people.

Hope voters will keep that in mind when voting in May elections especially in wards like Coxford, Bitterne, Millbrook, Peartree, Redbridge and Woolston etc
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: If the council housing list is 15,000 family,s then the answer is not to ask government for permission to build new council homes they are never going to give permission of that number they might be lucky and get permission to build a few hundred new homes over 3 to 5 years, the answer is go ahead and build that number and stop selling council land assets to the private sector[/p][/quote]For doing that we need councillors with will and principles, sadly in Southampton we have accute shortage of those, because while transforming from Labour to NuLabour as unofficial right wing of the Tories Miliband's mob has not only ditched comittment to serve ordinary folks they have also expelled two councillors from their party because they stood for and with the people. Hope voters will keep that in mind when voting in May elections especially in wards like Coxford, Bitterne, Millbrook, Peartree, Redbridge and Woolston etc Paramjit Bahia
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8:35pm Wed 19 Mar 14

kyrrie says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
kyrrie wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time?
Why does it need to be 4 bedrooms? Can children not share anymore......
When living in society in which Tory MP needed duck house even for his bird and that too be paid for out of public funds surely it can't be too much for hard working parents to desire a bedroom each for their children. Or you may want to drag the living standrads of working classes to Dickensian times, which some of us don't want to see again.
It's one thing to desire something and in an ideal world of course our children would have a bedroom each, but as I said before you have to live to your means and if you can't afford this then it does no harm! We are not dragging our working class standards to Dickensain times as you have said, we are living in reality and not wanting to bankrupt ourselves. Unlike you I don't feel the need to keep up with the Johnses. And the living standards in my home are perfectly good even though 2 of my children share a bedroom.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time?[/p][/quote]Why does it need to be 4 bedrooms? Can children not share anymore......[/p][/quote]When living in society in which Tory MP needed duck house even for his bird and that too be paid for out of public funds surely it can't be too much for hard working parents to desire a bedroom each for their children. Or you may want to drag the living standrads of working classes to Dickensian times, which some of us don't want to see again.[/p][/quote]It's one thing to desire something and in an ideal world of course our children would have a bedroom each, but as I said before you have to live to your means and if you can't afford this then it does no harm! We are not dragging our working class standards to Dickensain times as you have said, we are living in reality and not wanting to bankrupt ourselves. Unlike you I don't feel the need to keep up with the Johnses. And the living standards in my home are perfectly good even though 2 of my children share a bedroom. kyrrie
  • Score: 5

8:35pm Wed 19 Mar 14

southy says...

I remember councilor Letts coming to a TUSC meeting asking us to give them a clear run, he said that that a win for them and they will join forces with other councils to fight the government well i have not seen any more fighting the government than the Tory control council did, they just rolled over and said yes government we will do that, whats the point in having councils if they are going to be weak kneed
I remember councilor Letts coming to a TUSC meeting asking us to give them a clear run, he said that that a win for them and they will join forces with other councils to fight the government well i have not seen any more fighting the government than the Tory control council did, they just rolled over and said yes government we will do that, whats the point in having councils if they are going to be weak kneed southy
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8:39pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Geoff A says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
kyrrie wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time?
Why does it need to be 4 bedrooms? Can children not share anymore......
When living in society in which Tory MP needed duck house even for his bird and that too be paid for out of public funds surely it can't be too much for hard working parents to desire a bedroom each for their children. Or you may want to drag the living standrads of working classes to Dickensian times, which some of us don't want to see again.
You chose to have children - you look after them - why expect others to subsidise your accomodation - go buy a house and pay your way in the world.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]What was the average price of a decent house with four bed rooms at that time?[/p][/quote]Why does it need to be 4 bedrooms? Can children not share anymore......[/p][/quote]When living in society in which Tory MP needed duck house even for his bird and that too be paid for out of public funds surely it can't be too much for hard working parents to desire a bedroom each for their children. Or you may want to drag the living standrads of working classes to Dickensian times, which some of us don't want to see again.[/p][/quote]You chose to have children - you look after them - why expect others to subsidise your accomodation - go buy a house and pay your way in the world. Geoff A
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9:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

loosehead says...

mosaics wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
No but I never got family allowance or £50,000 a year earnings. I remember a time where you bought a home saved money then started a family but if you're telling me that a person on £50,000 a year with three children are struggling & should get homes that are there for the low paid I'm sorry but I think your way off the mark
[quote][p][bold]mosaics[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?[/p][/quote]No but I never got family allowance or £50,000 a year earnings. I remember a time where you bought a home saved money then started a family but if you're telling me that a person on £50,000 a year with three children are struggling & should get homes that are there for the low paid I'm sorry but I think your way off the mark loosehead
  • Score: 5

9:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

loosehead says...

mosaics wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
No but I never got family allowance or £50,000 a year earnings. I remember a time where you bought a home saved money then started a family but if you're telling me that a person on £50,000 a year with three children are struggling & should get homes that are there for the low paid I'm sorry but I think your way off the mark
[quote][p][bold]mosaics[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?[/p][/quote]No but I never got family allowance or £50,000 a year earnings. I remember a time where you bought a home saved money then started a family but if you're telling me that a person on £50,000 a year with three children are struggling & should get homes that are there for the low paid I'm sorry but I think your way off the mark loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Wed 19 Mar 14

loosehead says...

I really can't believe some of the posters on here? we have families living in one bedroomed flats whilst a couple lives in a four bedroomed home & they go on holiday twice4 a year & own a car each is that what council housing was for when it started?
We have left wingers saying a family on £50,000 can't afford a four bedroomed house? how many families when I & most of us grew up had a room to themselves?
How many people of my age waited until late in life to have children so they could buy a home & have enough put to one side to give those children a good life? how many never had a holiday whilst bringing up those children?
Bigfella says three times your earnings really? I'm in the process of selling my house here to move up North & I can get a £70,000 mortgage on £19,000 a year so try 4 times your earnings,4x50,000=£
200,000. take a look around Millbrook would get you at least a 4 bedroomed house for that. even parts of Upper Shirley would get you at the least a 3 bedroomed house.
But NO let's get a council home no worries if interest rates go up,no worries if it needs repairs the council will do it,No worries about modernising it as again the council will do it.
Let's get council housing back to the very people who it was built for THE LOW PAID.
I come from a family of eleven children we were given a 5 bedroomed house which my parents only used 4 as one was the front room we had to share so why can't children now share if they're the same sex?
I really can't believe some of the posters on here? we have families living in one bedroomed flats whilst a couple lives in a four bedroomed home & they go on holiday twice4 a year & own a car each is that what council housing was for when it started? We have left wingers saying a family on £50,000 can't afford a four bedroomed house? how many families when I & most of us grew up had a room to themselves? How many people of my age waited until late in life to have children so they could buy a home & have enough put to one side to give those children a good life? how many never had a holiday whilst bringing up those children? Bigfella says three times your earnings really? I'm in the process of selling my house here to move up North & I can get a £70,000 mortgage on £19,000 a year so try 4 times your earnings,4x50,000=£ 200,000. take a look around Millbrook would get you at least a 4 bedroomed house for that. even parts of Upper Shirley would get you at the least a 3 bedroomed house. But NO let's get a council home no worries if interest rates go up,no worries if it needs repairs the council will do it,No worries about modernising it as again the council will do it. Let's get council housing back to the very people who it was built for THE LOW PAID. I come from a family of eleven children we were given a 5 bedroomed house which my parents only used 4 as one was the front room we had to share so why can't children now share if they're the same sex? loosehead
  • Score: 2

10:00pm Wed 19 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

loosehead wrote:
I really can't believe some of the posters on here? we have families living in one bedroomed flats whilst a couple lives in a four bedroomed home & they go on holiday twice4 a year & own a car each is that what council housing was for when it started?
We have left wingers saying a family on £50,000 can't afford a four bedroomed house? how many families when I & most of us grew up had a room to themselves?
How many people of my age waited until late in life to have children so they could buy a home & have enough put to one side to give those children a good life? how many never had a holiday whilst bringing up those children?
Bigfella says three times your earnings really? I'm in the process of selling my house here to move up North & I can get a £70,000 mortgage on £19,000 a year so try 4 times your earnings,4x50,000=£

200,000. take a look around Millbrook would get you at least a 4 bedroomed house for that. even parts of Upper Shirley would get you at the least a 3 bedroomed house.
But NO let's get a council home no worries if interest rates go up,no worries if it needs repairs the council will do it,No worries about modernising it as again the council will do it.
Let's get council housing back to the very people who it was built for THE LOW PAID.
I come from a family of eleven children we were given a 5 bedroomed house which my parents only used 4 as one was the front room we had to share so why can't children now share if they're the same sex?
You can't get 4 times your earnings
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I really can't believe some of the posters on here? we have families living in one bedroomed flats whilst a couple lives in a four bedroomed home & they go on holiday twice4 a year & own a car each is that what council housing was for when it started? We have left wingers saying a family on £50,000 can't afford a four bedroomed house? how many families when I & most of us grew up had a room to themselves? How many people of my age waited until late in life to have children so they could buy a home & have enough put to one side to give those children a good life? how many never had a holiday whilst bringing up those children? Bigfella says three times your earnings really? I'm in the process of selling my house here to move up North & I can get a £70,000 mortgage on £19,000 a year so try 4 times your earnings,4x50,000=£ 200,000. take a look around Millbrook would get you at least a 4 bedroomed house for that. even parts of Upper Shirley would get you at the least a 3 bedroomed house. But NO let's get a council home no worries if interest rates go up,no worries if it needs repairs the council will do it,No worries about modernising it as again the council will do it. Let's get council housing back to the very people who it was built for THE LOW PAID. I come from a family of eleven children we were given a 5 bedroomed house which my parents only used 4 as one was the front room we had to share so why can't children now share if they're the same sex?[/p][/quote]You can't get 4 times your earnings bigfella777
  • Score: 0

10:03pm Wed 19 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

kyrrie wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
kyrrie wrote:
mosaics wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.
I understand where you are coming from but when did you buy your house? Could you afford to get on the ladder now with average house price when the banks wont lend above 3x your salary?
Yes I could, I would save really hard and live by my means and not above them like I'm afraid so many do these days. I do understand it's really hard but we made a lot of sacrifices to have what we've got, no holidays ,gave up smoking, didn't go out for a long time etc and yes sometimes it's really hard but I wanted my own home to be proud of.
So if you were paying £500 rent for a council house and providing for 3 children there would be money to save? Rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mosaics[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?[/p][/quote]Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.[/p][/quote]I understand where you are coming from but when did you buy your house? Could you afford to get on the ladder now with average house price when the banks wont lend above 3x your salary?[/p][/quote]Yes I could, I would save really hard and live by my means and not above them like I'm afraid so many do these days. I do understand it's really hard but we made a lot of sacrifices to have what we've got, no holidays ,gave up smoking, didn't go out for a long time etc and yes sometimes it's really hard but I wanted my own home to be proud of.[/p][/quote]So if you were paying £500 rent for a council house and providing for 3 children there would be money to save? Rubbish! bigfella777
  • Score: -3

10:12pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

This is an excellent idea but it ought to be extended to not enabling people to qualify for housing until they are 21. That might slow down the teenage pregnancy rate and the easy access to benefits and housing for those who choose to use having a child as a passport to a welfare lifestyle.
This is an excellent idea but it ought to be extended to not enabling people to qualify for housing until they are 21. That might slow down the teenage pregnancy rate and the easy access to benefits and housing for those who choose to use having a child as a passport to a welfare lifestyle. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 8

10:20pm Wed 19 Mar 14

kyrrie says...

bigfella777 wrote:
kyrrie wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
kyrrie wrote:
mosaics wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.
I understand where you are coming from but when did you buy your house? Could you afford to get on the ladder now with average house price when the banks wont lend above 3x your salary?
Yes I could, I would save really hard and live by my means and not above them like I'm afraid so many do these days. I do understand it's really hard but we made a lot of sacrifices to have what we've got, no holidays ,gave up smoking, didn't go out for a long time etc and yes sometimes it's really hard but I wanted my own home to be proud of.
So if you were paying £500 rent for a council house and providing for 3 children there would be money to save? Rubbish!
No I would save buy the house then have the kids like I did! The council are not there to provide for us when we have children that is our responsibility as a parent. Before you have children you need to put things in place so you can provide for them.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mosaics[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?[/p][/quote]Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.[/p][/quote]I understand where you are coming from but when did you buy your house? Could you afford to get on the ladder now with average house price when the banks wont lend above 3x your salary?[/p][/quote]Yes I could, I would save really hard and live by my means and not above them like I'm afraid so many do these days. I do understand it's really hard but we made a lot of sacrifices to have what we've got, no holidays ,gave up smoking, didn't go out for a long time etc and yes sometimes it's really hard but I wanted my own home to be proud of.[/p][/quote]So if you were paying £500 rent for a council house and providing for 3 children there would be money to save? Rubbish![/p][/quote]No I would save buy the house then have the kids like I did! The council are not there to provide for us when we have children that is our responsibility as a parent. Before you have children you need to put things in place so you can provide for them. kyrrie
  • Score: 5

7:15am Thu 20 Mar 14

loosehead says...

bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I really can't believe some of the posters on here? we have families living in one bedroomed flats whilst a couple lives in a four bedroomed home & they go on holiday twice4 a year & own a car each is that what council housing was for when it started?
We have left wingers saying a family on £50,000 can't afford a four bedroomed house? how many families when I & most of us grew up had a room to themselves?
How many people of my age waited until late in life to have children so they could buy a home & have enough put to one side to give those children a good life? how many never had a holiday whilst bringing up those children?
Bigfella says three times your earnings really? I'm in the process of selling my house here to move up North & I can get a £70,000 mortgage on £19,000 a year so try 4 times your earnings,4x50,000=£


200,000. take a look around Millbrook would get you at least a 4 bedroomed house for that. even parts of Upper Shirley would get you at the least a 3 bedroomed house.
But NO let's get a council home no worries if interest rates go up,no worries if it needs repairs the council will do it,No worries about modernising it as again the council will do it.
Let's get council housing back to the very people who it was built for THE LOW PAID.
I come from a family of eleven children we were given a 5 bedroomed house which my parents only used 4 as one was the front room we had to share so why can't children now share if they're the same sex?
You can't get 4 times your earnings
please do the math's. £19,000=£70,000 mortgage how many times my earnings is that?
As it is the place I'm moving to I only need a maximum of £40,000 as I can put down £40,000.
but before telling me what I can or cannot get try reading my posts & you'll see I'm in the process of moving.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I really can't believe some of the posters on here? we have families living in one bedroomed flats whilst a couple lives in a four bedroomed home & they go on holiday twice4 a year & own a car each is that what council housing was for when it started? We have left wingers saying a family on £50,000 can't afford a four bedroomed house? how many families when I & most of us grew up had a room to themselves? How many people of my age waited until late in life to have children so they could buy a home & have enough put to one side to give those children a good life? how many never had a holiday whilst bringing up those children? Bigfella says three times your earnings really? I'm in the process of selling my house here to move up North & I can get a £70,000 mortgage on £19,000 a year so try 4 times your earnings,4x50,000=£ 200,000. take a look around Millbrook would get you at least a 4 bedroomed house for that. even parts of Upper Shirley would get you at the least a 3 bedroomed house. But NO let's get a council home no worries if interest rates go up,no worries if it needs repairs the council will do it,No worries about modernising it as again the council will do it. Let's get council housing back to the very people who it was built for THE LOW PAID. I come from a family of eleven children we were given a 5 bedroomed house which my parents only used 4 as one was the front room we had to share so why can't children now share if they're the same sex?[/p][/quote]You can't get 4 times your earnings[/p][/quote]please do the math's. £19,000=£70,000 mortgage how many times my earnings is that? As it is the place I'm moving to I only need a maximum of £40,000 as I can put down £40,000. but before telling me what I can or cannot get try reading my posts & you'll see I'm in the process of moving. loosehead
  • Score: 0

7:51am Thu 20 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

kyrrie wrote:
mosaics wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.
Don't look at social housing as "council handouts", look at it as housing that was built for the purpose of people living in it, as opposed to "an investment". Houses today are ridiculously overpriced if you look at the actual cost of the materials, land and labour that go into building one. If all the home owners that usually bemoan this sort of thing want to blame someone, they'd do a lot worse than looking in the mirror.

Disclaimer: I DON'T live in social housing.
[quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mosaics[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?[/p][/quote]Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.[/p][/quote]Don't look at social housing as "council handouts", look at it as housing that was built for the purpose of people living in it, as opposed to "an investment". Houses today are ridiculously overpriced if you look at the actual cost of the materials, land and labour that go into building one. If all the home owners that usually bemoan this sort of thing want to blame someone, they'd do a lot worse than looking in the mirror. Disclaimer: I DON'T live in social housing. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 0

9:57am Thu 20 Mar 14

huckit P says...

I think it is a brilliant idea. Now they should introduce a means test for all council house tenants as well as those wishing to go onto the list. in addition I think the idea put forward by Maine Lobster - minimum 21 years of age - should become part of the criteria. Council housing should only be for those genuinely in need of it; not those who see it as a cheap way to live.
It is not being xenophobic as one commentator claimed - it is ensuring that those who have local connections and who contributed to the local economy get preference.
I rarely agree with socialist politicians but this time I cannot disagree with them.
I think it is a brilliant idea. Now they should introduce a means test for all council house tenants as well as those wishing to go onto the list. in addition I think the idea put forward by Maine Lobster - minimum 21 years of age - should become part of the criteria. Council housing should only be for those genuinely in need of it; not those who see it as a cheap way to live. It is not being xenophobic as one commentator claimed - it is ensuring that those who have local connections and who contributed to the local economy get preference. I rarely agree with socialist politicians but this time I cannot disagree with them. huckit P
  • Score: 3

11:36am Thu 20 Mar 14

loosehead says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
kyrrie wrote:
mosaics wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family
seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy?
Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy
do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?
Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.
Don't look at social housing as "council handouts", look at it as housing that was built for the purpose of people living in it, as opposed to "an investment". Houses today are ridiculously overpriced if you look at the actual cost of the materials, land and labour that go into building one. If all the home owners that usually bemoan this sort of thing want to blame someone, they'd do a lot worse than looking in the mirror.

Disclaimer: I DON'T live in social housing.
but the argument this lady was involved in was should a family on £50,000 get a council house?
many are saying because they've got three kids yes they should(left wingers) others like myself are saying this was not the idea behind council/social housing.
I could take you around a council estate where this couple could quite easily afford to buy a house the size the council would give them this would leave council homes to those on low income which is the very reason they're there.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mosaics[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How is 50k a year too much? its only £600 a week after tax,not much for a 3 children family[/p][/quote]seriously? I was on £29,000 a year & after tax took home £1,700 & was buying a house a car & going on holiday for at least a month a year so are you telling me some one on nearly double that wage can't afford to buy? Council homes are for those who cannot afford to buy not won't buy[/p][/quote]do you also have 3 children and a wife to support.?[/p][/quote]Well we are a family of 5 and are on less than this and yes we have a mortgage and 2 cars,we've worked hard to own our own house and if you can't to do this on £50k a year and need council handouts then you are doing something wrong. These houses should be for people that work really hard and only earn minimum wage and will not possibly be able to put a roof over their families heads without support.[/p][/quote]Don't look at social housing as "council handouts", look at it as housing that was built for the purpose of people living in it, as opposed to "an investment". Houses today are ridiculously overpriced if you look at the actual cost of the materials, land and labour that go into building one. If all the home owners that usually bemoan this sort of thing want to blame someone, they'd do a lot worse than looking in the mirror. Disclaimer: I DON'T live in social housing.[/p][/quote]but the argument this lady was involved in was should a family on £50,000 get a council house? many are saying because they've got three kids yes they should(left wingers) others like myself are saying this was not the idea behind council/social housing. I could take you around a council estate where this couple could quite easily afford to buy a house the size the council would give them this would leave council homes to those on low income which is the very reason they're there. loosehead
  • Score: 1

11:39am Thu 20 Mar 14

loosehead says...

I went & lived off & on in Thailand for a year does this act by the council mean that even though I was born & bred in this city I'd have to remain homeless if I'd come back & couldn't afford private for three years?
or is this just playing to the voters as this council know if a family turn up on their doorstep with no roof over their heads this council would have to house them wouldn't they?
I went & lived off & on in Thailand for a year does this act by the council mean that even though I was born & bred in this city I'd have to remain homeless if I'd come back & couldn't afford private for three years? or is this just playing to the voters as this council know if a family turn up on their doorstep with no roof over their heads this council would have to house them wouldn't they? loosehead
  • Score: 0

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