Teachers' strike forces more schools to close

Strike set to see eight schools close

Strike set to see eight schools close

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MORE schools have announced they will close if a planned teachers’ strike go ahead next week.

In what will bring disruption to schools across the county, a total of 21 schools in Southampton have confirmed they will shut completely or partially should industrial action go ahead on Wednesday.

Another 17 in Hampshire will also be affected.

Head teachers at 12 Southampton schools have said they will definitely be open. It is not yet known what will happen with the remaining schools.

Schools that have confirmed they will close on Wednesday, should the strike go ahead, include Bassett Green Primary School, Freemantle CE Community Academy, Ludlow Junior School, and Moorlands Primary School.

Other schools across Hampshire that will also close include Braishfield Primary School near Romsey.

Teachers are threatening to strike in response to what the NUT says is the refusal by education secretary Michael Gove to discuss concerns over workload, pensions, and pay.

The proposed strike will see NUT members walk out of the classroom after NASUWT decided against the action.

The disruption is not expected to be as severe as last year when 100 schools in Hampshire and Southampton were closed.

Schools that have announced closures in Southampton:
Bassett Green Primary
Bevois Town Primary
Bitterne Park Primary – three classes affected
• Bitterne Park Secondary – closed to Year 11, Year 10 only attend for designated appointments, open to Years 7, 8 and 9 (wear practical non-uniform, sportswear)
Fairisle Infant and Nursery – three Year R classes closed
• Freemantle Community Academy
• Mansel Park Primary – closed to all bar Year 6
• Mason Moor Primary – closed apart from Willow and Birch, Beech and Holly classes
• Moorlands Primary
• Newlands Primary – Butterflies (Year R) and Pandas (Year 3) closed
• Ludlow Junior
Redbridge Primary – four classes affected
• Regents Park Community College – closed to all bar Year 11
• St Monica Junior
Shirley Warren Learning Campus Primary and Nursery – four classes closed
Sholing Technology College – closed to Year 8 and Year 9
• Tanners Brook Primary – open to Year 6 only
• Woodlands Community College – closed to all bar Year 11
• The Cedar – open to Dolphin and Starfish classes only
• Great Oaks
• Vermont


Schools that have announced closures in Hampshire:
• Braishfield Primary
• Brockhurst Infant, Gosport – closed for Year R children only
• Buriton Primary
• Clanfield Junior – closed apart from classes 3CH, 4KB, 5RB and 5SA
• Crofton, Stubbington – closed to Year 10 only
Fair Oak Junior – classes 6B, 6HB, 6BA, 5SW, 5O and 3T closed
Fareham Academy – closed to all pupils bar Year 11
Hamble Community Sports College – closed to Years 7, 8 and 9
• The Hayling College, Hayling Island
• Henry Tyndale, Farnborough – classes 4, 8, 10 and sixth form closed
• Herne Junior, Petersfield
Netley Marsh Infant – Year R and Year 2 closed
• Park Gate Primary – open to Year 6 pupils only
• Red Barn Community Primary, Fareham – closed apart from pre-school
• Robert May’s, Odiham
• St Faith's, Winchester – closed for children in Year R, Year 1 and Year 3
• St Peter's Primary, Winchester – classes DF, GK, MOC, MW closed

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6:46am Sat 22 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

So, collective politics comes before personal duty. Given that as a priority, I've wasted my entire life.
So, collective politics comes before personal duty. Given that as a priority, I've wasted my entire life. good-gosh
  • Score: 4

8:06am Sat 22 Mar 14

Turtlebay says...

If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries?

This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.
If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries? This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked. Turtlebay
  • Score: 4

10:16am Sat 22 Mar 14

southy says...

Turtlebay wrote:
If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries?

This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.
If the anti-union laws was removed this strike would of been over a while back but because of Thatchers anti union laws strikes last longer and cause more disruption
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries? This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.[/p][/quote]If the anti-union laws was removed this strike would of been over a while back but because of Thatchers anti union laws strikes last longer and cause more disruption southy
  • Score: -10

10:49am Sat 22 Mar 14

allstar says...

Overpaid , Too many holidays , Underworked in many cases , Secure job , If they do like having to work then they should leave , This is being driven by the loony left and the trade union , If you are a teacher and you disagree with the above comments then let s compare your salary and conditions of employment to a nurse who works for a lot less than you but still has to qualify for the same amount of time and let us also compare your hourly rate over one year with all the holidays you get to a nurses hourly rate .
If you do not want to do the job then there are plenty of others who could
Overpaid , Too many holidays , Underworked in many cases , Secure job , If they do like having to work then they should leave , This is being driven by the loony left and the trade union , If you are a teacher and you disagree with the above comments then let s compare your salary and conditions of employment to a nurse who works for a lot less than you but still has to qualify for the same amount of time and let us also compare your hourly rate over one year with all the holidays you get to a nurses hourly rate . If you do not want to do the job then there are plenty of others who could allstar
  • Score: 4

11:09am Sat 22 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Time to lock the leaders of both sides in a room and tell them they aren't being let out until they have reached a solution.
Time to lock the leaders of both sides in a room and tell them they aren't being let out until they have reached a solution. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

11:11am Sat 22 Mar 14

*BEHAPPY* says...

This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr
This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr *BEHAPPY*
  • Score: -2

11:13am Sat 22 Mar 14

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Time to lock the leaders of both sides in a room and tell them they aren't being let out until they have reached a solution.
like how it use to be
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Time to lock the leaders of both sides in a room and tell them they aren't being let out until they have reached a solution.[/p][/quote]like how it use to be southy
  • Score: -6

11:13am Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Turtlebay wrote:
If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries?

This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.
I find your comment ill-informed, ill-conceived, demonstrating no knowledge or understanding of the circumstances surrounding this topic. Yet this does not deter you from gobbing off publicly about it.

Teachers' strike action generally takes place once a year as they try to get yet another incompetent and incapable secretary of state for education to take the slightest bit of notice of them. I can tell you from a lifetime of personal experience in that field, that conditions of service are more important than the pay and pension. Teachers give a huge amount of time to their vocation without pay. They devote years of their lives to research, collecting material, and planning, always in the evenings, at weekends and holidays.

Next time you see a holidaymaker at a postcard stand in Rome, buying a dozen postcards, it won't be a person with lots of friends. It'll be a teacher who has thought,"Oooh. These postcards will be useful as part of my visual display for Year 9's Italy project next term." That, my ignorant friend, is what separates you from a truly dedicated professional.

The "continual disruption to our children's education" is much more abley and consistently achieved on a day-to-day basis by the large numbers of disinterested and irresponsible parents who fail to support the schools by correcting their childrens' bad behaviour, and ensuring they complete their homework. You want proof ? On bad behaviour, go and read the detention book in any school. Look at the reasons WHY various children have been issued a detention. As regards to the homework, go into any school and ask any tutor how often they find homework diaries signed by parents who have not checked to see if the homework HAS been done, signed by the children themselves with the parents approval, or signed by an older brother/sister. And that is if it has been signed AT ALL.

Now instead of replying with a lot of empty-headed abuse, or complaining to the site adminstrators, ask yourself if there might be just a tiny grain of truth in what I have said, or if is it all total fiction ?

I'll tell you this : if it's all fiction then we must have the best pupils, best parents, best results and best education system in Europe.

Well, do we ?
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries? This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.[/p][/quote]I find your comment ill-informed, ill-conceived, demonstrating no knowledge or understanding of the circumstances surrounding this topic. Yet this does not deter you from gobbing off publicly about it. Teachers' strike action generally takes place once a year as they try to get yet another incompetent and incapable secretary of state for education to take the slightest bit of notice of them. I can tell you from a lifetime of personal experience in that field, that conditions of service are more important than the pay and pension. Teachers give a huge amount of time to their vocation without pay. They devote years of their lives to research, collecting material, and planning, always in the evenings, at weekends and holidays. Next time you see a holidaymaker at a postcard stand in Rome, buying a dozen postcards, it won't be a person with lots of friends. It'll be a teacher who has thought,"Oooh. These postcards will be useful as part of my visual display for Year 9's Italy project next term." That, my ignorant friend, is what separates you from a truly dedicated professional. The "continual disruption to our children's education" is much more abley and consistently achieved on a day-to-day basis by the large numbers of disinterested and irresponsible parents who fail to support the schools by correcting their childrens' bad behaviour, and ensuring they complete their homework. You want proof ? On bad behaviour, go and read the detention book in any school. Look at the reasons WHY various children have been issued a detention. As regards to the homework, go into any school and ask any tutor how often they find homework diaries signed by parents who have not checked to see if the homework HAS been done, signed by the children themselves with the parents approval, or signed by an older brother/sister. And that is if it has been signed AT ALL. Now instead of replying with a lot of empty-headed abuse, or complaining to the site adminstrators, ask yourself if there might be just a tiny grain of truth in what I have said, or if is it all total fiction ? I'll tell you this : if it's all fiction then we must have the best pupils, best parents, best results and best education system in Europe. Well, do we ? charrlee
  • Score: 2

11:18am Sat 22 Mar 14

southy says...

*BEHAPPY* wrote:
This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr
To sort this country mess out that the professional politicians have made for the last 30 years that is want is needed every one to go out on strike, put the politicians in there place and start telling them what to do and not the other way round
[quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr[/p][/quote]To sort this country mess out that the professional politicians have made for the last 30 years that is want is needed every one to go out on strike, put the politicians in there place and start telling them what to do and not the other way round southy
  • Score: -7

11:20am Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

allstar wrote:
Overpaid , Too many holidays , Underworked in many cases , Secure job , If they do like having to work then they should leave , This is being driven by the loony left and the trade union , If you are a teacher and you disagree with the above comments then let s compare your salary and conditions of employment to a nurse who works for a lot less than you but still has to qualify for the same amount of time and let us also compare your hourly rate over one year with all the holidays you get to a nurses hourly rate .
If you do not want to do the job then there are plenty of others who could
Well, not you. You can't write coherently, and your opinions indicate very poor comprehension skills.

Nurses. How many of them take work home with them ? None. How many of them work long hours for free ? None.
Teachers. How many of them take work home with them ? THEY ALL HAVE TO. How many of them work long hours for free ? THEY ALL HAVE TO.

Got that ?
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: Overpaid , Too many holidays , Underworked in many cases , Secure job , If they do like having to work then they should leave , This is being driven by the loony left and the trade union , If you are a teacher and you disagree with the above comments then let s compare your salary and conditions of employment to a nurse who works for a lot less than you but still has to qualify for the same amount of time and let us also compare your hourly rate over one year with all the holidays you get to a nurses hourly rate . If you do not want to do the job then there are plenty of others who could[/p][/quote]Well, not you. You can't write coherently, and your opinions indicate very poor comprehension skills. Nurses. How many of them take work home with them ? None. How many of them work long hours for free ? None. Teachers. How many of them take work home with them ? THEY ALL HAVE TO. How many of them work long hours for free ? THEY ALL HAVE TO. Got that ? charrlee
  • Score: -6

11:20am Sat 22 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

Strikes are about as relevant today as Morris dancing – and just as comical.
Strikes are about as relevant today as Morris dancing – and just as comical. good-gosh
  • Score: 4

11:22am Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

*BEHAPPY* wrote:
This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr
Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.
[quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth. charrlee
  • Score: -1

11:28am Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

good-gosh wrote:
Strikes are about as relevant today as Morris dancing – and just as comical.
Totally wrong in my opinion, but very funny !

Ironically, in the greater scheme of things, you probably are right. But it should not be that way.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Strikes are about as relevant today as Morris dancing – and just as comical.[/p][/quote]Totally wrong in my opinion, but very funny ! Ironically, in the greater scheme of things, you probably are right. But it should not be that way. charrlee
  • Score: -3

11:48am Sat 22 Mar 14

allstar says...

Well, not you. You can't write coherently, and your opinions indicate very poor comprehension skills.

Nurses. How many of them take work home with them ? None. How many of them work long hours for free ? None.
Teachers. How many of them take work home with them ? THEY ALL HAVE TO. How many of them work long hours for free ? THEY ALL HAVE TO.
Well at least I can say that I earn my money , Thanks for the lesson in writing but I must say it is you that needs to learn the lesson of life and stop complaining and get off your lazy backside and work
Well, not you. You can't write coherently, and your opinions indicate very poor comprehension skills. Nurses. How many of them take work home with them ? None. How many of them work long hours for free ? None. Teachers. How many of them take work home with them ? THEY ALL HAVE TO. How many of them work long hours for free ? THEY ALL HAVE TO. Well at least I can say that I earn my money , Thanks for the lesson in writing but I must say it is you that needs to learn the lesson of life and stop complaining and get off your lazy backside and work allstar
  • Score: -9

12:32pm Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

allstar wrote:
Well, not you. You can't write coherently, and your opinions indicate very poor comprehension skills.

Nurses. How many of them take work home with them ? None. How many of them work long hours for free ? None.
Teachers. How many of them take work home with them ? THEY ALL HAVE TO. How many of them work long hours for free ? THEY ALL HAVE TO.
Well at least I can say that I earn my money , Thanks for the lesson in writing but I must say it is you that needs to learn the lesson of life and stop complaining and get off your lazy backside and work
All you are contributing is more provocative abuse.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: Well, not you. You can't write coherently, and your opinions indicate very poor comprehension skills. Nurses. How many of them take work home with them ? None. How many of them work long hours for free ? None. Teachers. How many of them take work home with them ? THEY ALL HAVE TO. How many of them work long hours for free ? THEY ALL HAVE TO. Well at least I can say that I earn my money , Thanks for the lesson in writing but I must say it is you that needs to learn the lesson of life and stop complaining and get off your lazy backside and work[/p][/quote]All you are contributing is more provocative abuse. charrlee
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Turtlebay says...

charrlee wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries?

This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.
I find your comment ill-informed, ill-conceived, demonstrating no knowledge or understanding of the circumstances surrounding this topic. Yet this does not deter you from gobbing off publicly about it.

Teachers' strike action generally takes place once a year as they try to get yet another incompetent and incapable secretary of state for education to take the slightest bit of notice of them. I can tell you from a lifetime of personal experience in that field, that conditions of service are more important than the pay and pension. Teachers give a huge amount of time to their vocation without pay. They devote years of their lives to research, collecting material, and planning, always in the evenings, at weekends and holidays.

Next time you see a holidaymaker at a postcard stand in Rome, buying a dozen postcards, it won't be a person with lots of friends. It'll be a teacher who has thought,"Oooh. These postcards will be useful as part of my visual display for Year 9's Italy project next term." That, my ignorant friend, is what separates you from a truly dedicated professional.

The "continual disruption to our children's education" is much more abley and consistently achieved on a day-to-day basis by the large numbers of disinterested and irresponsible parents who fail to support the schools by correcting their childrens' bad behaviour, and ensuring they complete their homework. You want proof ? On bad behaviour, go and read the detention book in any school. Look at the reasons WHY various children have been issued a detention. As regards to the homework, go into any school and ask any tutor how often they find homework diaries signed by parents who have not checked to see if the homework HAS been done, signed by the children themselves with the parents approval, or signed by an older brother/sister. And that is if it has been signed AT ALL.

Now instead of replying with a lot of empty-headed abuse, or complaining to the site adminstrators, ask yourself if there might be just a tiny grain of truth in what I have said, or if is it all total fiction ?

I'll tell you this : if it's all fiction then we must have the best pupils, best parents, best results and best education system in Europe.

Well, do we ?
Come on if you are a teacher WHY AREN'T YOU CORRECTING THE BAD BEHAVIOUR? Why are you standing by and letting the bad behaviour go unpunished?

Sorry you don't approve of people "gobbing off publicly", it would seem you are a communist sympathiser who thinks that private opinions are not to be tolerated!

Get back to work you lazy scroungers!
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries? This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.[/p][/quote]I find your comment ill-informed, ill-conceived, demonstrating no knowledge or understanding of the circumstances surrounding this topic. Yet this does not deter you from gobbing off publicly about it. Teachers' strike action generally takes place once a year as they try to get yet another incompetent and incapable secretary of state for education to take the slightest bit of notice of them. I can tell you from a lifetime of personal experience in that field, that conditions of service are more important than the pay and pension. Teachers give a huge amount of time to their vocation without pay. They devote years of their lives to research, collecting material, and planning, always in the evenings, at weekends and holidays. Next time you see a holidaymaker at a postcard stand in Rome, buying a dozen postcards, it won't be a person with lots of friends. It'll be a teacher who has thought,"Oooh. These postcards will be useful as part of my visual display for Year 9's Italy project next term." That, my ignorant friend, is what separates you from a truly dedicated professional. The "continual disruption to our children's education" is much more abley and consistently achieved on a day-to-day basis by the large numbers of disinterested and irresponsible parents who fail to support the schools by correcting their childrens' bad behaviour, and ensuring they complete their homework. You want proof ? On bad behaviour, go and read the detention book in any school. Look at the reasons WHY various children have been issued a detention. As regards to the homework, go into any school and ask any tutor how often they find homework diaries signed by parents who have not checked to see if the homework HAS been done, signed by the children themselves with the parents approval, or signed by an older brother/sister. And that is if it has been signed AT ALL. Now instead of replying with a lot of empty-headed abuse, or complaining to the site adminstrators, ask yourself if there might be just a tiny grain of truth in what I have said, or if is it all total fiction ? I'll tell you this : if it's all fiction then we must have the best pupils, best parents, best results and best education system in Europe. Well, do we ?[/p][/quote]Come on if you are a teacher WHY AREN'T YOU CORRECTING THE BAD BEHAVIOUR? Why are you standing by and letting the bad behaviour go unpunished? Sorry you don't approve of people "gobbing off publicly", it would seem you are a communist sympathiser who thinks that private opinions are not to be tolerated! Get back to work you lazy scroungers! Turtlebay
  • Score: -6

12:45pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Turtlebay says...

PS Charlee, you can't spell either!
PS Charlee, you can't spell either! Turtlebay
  • Score: 3

1:41pm Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Turtlebay wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries?

This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.
I find your comment ill-informed, ill-conceived, demonstrating no knowledge or understanding of the circumstances surrounding this topic. Yet this does not deter you from gobbing off publicly about it.

Teachers' strike action generally takes place once a year as they try to get yet another incompetent and incapable secretary of state for education to take the slightest bit of notice of them. I can tell you from a lifetime of personal experience in that field, that conditions of service are more important than the pay and pension. Teachers give a huge amount of time to their vocation without pay. They devote years of their lives to research, collecting material, and planning, always in the evenings, at weekends and holidays.

Next time you see a holidaymaker at a postcard stand in Rome, buying a dozen postcards, it won't be a person with lots of friends. It'll be a teacher who has thought,"Oooh. These postcards will be useful as part of my visual display for Year 9's Italy project next term." That, my ignorant friend, is what separates you from a truly dedicated professional.

The "continual disruption to our children's education" is much more abley and consistently achieved on a day-to-day basis by the large numbers of disinterested and irresponsible parents who fail to support the schools by correcting their childrens' bad behaviour, and ensuring they complete their homework. You want proof ? On bad behaviour, go and read the detention book in any school. Look at the reasons WHY various children have been issued a detention. As regards to the homework, go into any school and ask any tutor how often they find homework diaries signed by parents who have not checked to see if the homework HAS been done, signed by the children themselves with the parents approval, or signed by an older brother/sister. And that is if it has been signed AT ALL.

Now instead of replying with a lot of empty-headed abuse, or complaining to the site adminstrators, ask yourself if there might be just a tiny grain of truth in what I have said, or if is it all total fiction ?

I'll tell you this : if it's all fiction then we must have the best pupils, best parents, best results and best education system in Europe.

Well, do we ?
Come on if you are a teacher WHY AREN'T YOU CORRECTING THE BAD BEHAVIOUR? Why are you standing by and letting the bad behaviour go unpunished?

Sorry you don't approve of people "gobbing off publicly", it would seem you are a communist sympathiser who thinks that private opinions are not to be tolerated!

Get back to work you lazy scroungers!
Much as I would love to spend all day having a slanging match with an ignorant little tyke/troll like you, I've decided to do something much more boring.

Obviously you are a victim of a failed education system and atrocious parenting, otherwise you would demonstrate a greater awareness, and some reasonable manners.

In what way are teachers "scroungers" ?
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries? This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.[/p][/quote]I find your comment ill-informed, ill-conceived, demonstrating no knowledge or understanding of the circumstances surrounding this topic. Yet this does not deter you from gobbing off publicly about it. Teachers' strike action generally takes place once a year as they try to get yet another incompetent and incapable secretary of state for education to take the slightest bit of notice of them. I can tell you from a lifetime of personal experience in that field, that conditions of service are more important than the pay and pension. Teachers give a huge amount of time to their vocation without pay. They devote years of their lives to research, collecting material, and planning, always in the evenings, at weekends and holidays. Next time you see a holidaymaker at a postcard stand in Rome, buying a dozen postcards, it won't be a person with lots of friends. It'll be a teacher who has thought,"Oooh. These postcards will be useful as part of my visual display for Year 9's Italy project next term." That, my ignorant friend, is what separates you from a truly dedicated professional. The "continual disruption to our children's education" is much more abley and consistently achieved on a day-to-day basis by the large numbers of disinterested and irresponsible parents who fail to support the schools by correcting their childrens' bad behaviour, and ensuring they complete their homework. You want proof ? On bad behaviour, go and read the detention book in any school. Look at the reasons WHY various children have been issued a detention. As regards to the homework, go into any school and ask any tutor how often they find homework diaries signed by parents who have not checked to see if the homework HAS been done, signed by the children themselves with the parents approval, or signed by an older brother/sister. And that is if it has been signed AT ALL. Now instead of replying with a lot of empty-headed abuse, or complaining to the site adminstrators, ask yourself if there might be just a tiny grain of truth in what I have said, or if is it all total fiction ? I'll tell you this : if it's all fiction then we must have the best pupils, best parents, best results and best education system in Europe. Well, do we ?[/p][/quote]Come on if you are a teacher WHY AREN'T YOU CORRECTING THE BAD BEHAVIOUR? Why are you standing by and letting the bad behaviour go unpunished? Sorry you don't approve of people "gobbing off publicly", it would seem you are a communist sympathiser who thinks that private opinions are not to be tolerated! Get back to work you lazy scroungers![/p][/quote]Much as I would love to spend all day having a slanging match with an ignorant little tyke/troll like you, I've decided to do something much more boring. Obviously you are a victim of a failed education system and atrocious parenting, otherwise you would demonstrate a greater awareness, and some reasonable manners. In what way are teachers "scroungers" ? charrlee
  • Score: -4

2:07pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Mary80 says...

The problem is EVERYONE is having money slashed they aren't the only ones to suffer govt cuts. We all have to suffer i don't see why teachers should be exempt
The problem is EVERYONE is having money slashed they aren't the only ones to suffer govt cuts. We all have to suffer i don't see why teachers should be exempt Mary80
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Sat 22 Mar 14

*BEHAPPY* says...

charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr
Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.
Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts *BEHAPPY*
  • Score: 1

2:38pm Sat 22 Mar 14

allstar says...

Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts
Very true statement BEHAPPY ,
My English grammar may not be all that good because I am Chinese that does not make me a stupid person , It is pleasing to see that Chinese teachers coming to this country to teach the children to learn maths properly because teachers are failing to teach correctly .
This may be the way forward and like other sectors in the uk you are in danger of pricing yourselves out of the market with your greedy pay demands
Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts Very true statement BEHAPPY , My English grammar may not be all that good because I am Chinese that does not make me a stupid person , It is pleasing to see that Chinese teachers coming to this country to teach the children to learn maths properly because teachers are failing to teach correctly . This may be the way forward and like other sectors in the uk you are in danger of pricing yourselves out of the market with your greedy pay demands allstar
  • Score: 0

3:37pm Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

*BEHAPPY* wrote:
charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr
Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.
Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts
So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ?

How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours.

Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth.
[quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts[/p][/quote]So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ? How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours. Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth. charrlee
  • Score: -1

3:43pm Sat 22 Mar 14

VOR666 says...

Charrlee, why so confrontational? Rise above it. Isn't that what we would tell our pupils to do?
Charrlee, why so confrontational? Rise above it. Isn't that what we would tell our pupils to do? VOR666
  • Score: 3

3:52pm Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

allstar wrote:
Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts
Very true statement BEHAPPY ,
My English grammar may not be all that good because I am Chinese that does not make me a stupid person , It is pleasing to see that Chinese teachers coming to this country to teach the children to learn maths properly because teachers are failing to teach correctly .
This may be the way forward and like other sectors in the uk you are in danger of pricing yourselves out of the market with your greedy pay demands
The trouble with young people today is that they think they can say what they like without checking the facts first. An opinion is only relevant if it shows an understanding of the facts.

You, allstar, have made a number of insulting, ill-considered, ill-informed statements that make you look arrogant and foolish. And then you play the Chinese "me no speaky English properly" card as a defence ! That is both outrageous and disingenuous.

Many Chinese-manufactured products in this country may come cheap, but the quality is not there. We cannot have that happening with the teaching workforce.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts Very true statement BEHAPPY , My English grammar may not be all that good because I am Chinese that does not make me a stupid person , It is pleasing to see that Chinese teachers coming to this country to teach the children to learn maths properly because teachers are failing to teach correctly . This may be the way forward and like other sectors in the uk you are in danger of pricing yourselves out of the market with your greedy pay demands[/p][/quote]The trouble with young people today is that they think they can say what they like without checking the facts first. An opinion is only relevant if it shows an understanding of the facts. You, allstar, have made a number of insulting, ill-considered, ill-informed statements that make you look arrogant and foolish. And then you play the Chinese "me no speaky English properly" card as a defence ! That is both outrageous and disingenuous. Many Chinese-manufactured products in this country may come cheap, but the quality is not there. We cannot have that happening with the teaching workforce. charrlee
  • Score: -5

4:23pm Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

VOR666 wrote:
Charrlee, why so confrontational? Rise above it. Isn't that what we would tell our pupils to do?
I deplore rank and file chavs who come onto this forum making insulting and ill-informed comments, further entrenching, in this case, the anti-teacher attitudes, which then trickle into school via their children.

Years ago I supported the non-confrontational approach to all things. Look where it has got us ! The meek will never inherit anything, let alone the Earth, and I'm afraid Jesus died in vain because all that Christmas and Easter mean to the average Brit is more excessive self-indulgence.

One of the reasons I am glad I have retired is that I would no longer relish teaching pupils to adopt trusting and fair-minded attitudes in a world that would see that as an exploitation opportunity. Remember the heat wave last summer ? Within a week, all the electric fans were gone from the shops. Almost immediately, fans that cost £15.99 in Sainsburys the previous week were on sale on ebay for £1100 each ! From government, through the complex web that is society, right down to conversations on a forum like this, you find little that is honest and trustworthy. How do you rise above that ?
[quote][p][bold]VOR666[/bold] wrote: Charrlee, why so confrontational? Rise above it. Isn't that what we would tell our pupils to do?[/p][/quote]I deplore rank and file chavs who come onto this forum making insulting and ill-informed comments, further entrenching, in this case, the anti-teacher attitudes, which then trickle into school via their children. Years ago I supported the non-confrontational approach to all things. Look where it has got us ! The meek will never inherit anything, let alone the Earth, and I'm afraid Jesus died in vain because all that Christmas and Easter mean to the average Brit is more excessive self-indulgence. One of the reasons I am glad I have retired is that I would no longer relish teaching pupils to adopt trusting and fair-minded attitudes in a world that would see that as an exploitation opportunity. Remember the heat wave last summer ? Within a week, all the electric fans were gone from the shops. Almost immediately, fans that cost £15.99 in Sainsburys the previous week were on sale on ebay for £1100 each ! From government, through the complex web that is society, right down to conversations on a forum like this, you find little that is honest and trustworthy. How do you rise above that ? charrlee
  • Score: -2

4:45pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries?

This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.
If the anti-union laws was removed this strike would of been over a while back but because of Thatchers anti union laws strikes last longer and cause more disruption
These would be the same 'anti-union' laws that Labour governments in power from 1997 to 2010 couldn't find time to repeal? Luckily the overwhelming majority recognise that the 'sick man of Europe' needed extreme surgery to prevent the unions from killing the UK economy entirely.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If the teachers feel so hard done by why don't they leave and find work in other industries? This continual disruption of our children's education must be stopped and the perpetrators sacked.[/p][/quote]If the anti-union laws was removed this strike would of been over a while back but because of Thatchers anti union laws strikes last longer and cause more disruption[/p][/quote]These would be the same 'anti-union' laws that Labour governments in power from 1997 to 2010 couldn't find time to repeal? Luckily the overwhelming majority recognise that the 'sick man of Europe' needed extreme surgery to prevent the unions from killing the UK economy entirely. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

5:26pm Sat 22 Mar 14

allstar says...

Many Chinese-manufactured products in this country may come cheap, but the quality is not there. We cannot have that happening with the teaching workforce.
That is why Chinese Teachers are being sent here to teach people how to learn maths properly because the current teachers are failing , Your argument is flawed and has racist overtones .
Many Chinese-manufactured products in this country may come cheap, but the quality is not there. We cannot have that happening with the teaching workforce. That is why Chinese Teachers are being sent here to teach people how to learn maths properly because the current teachers are failing , Your argument is flawed and has racist overtones . allstar
  • Score: -1

5:28pm Sat 22 Mar 14

allstar says...

Chinese maths teachers are to come to England to give masterclasses in the subject as part of a fresh bid to boost standards.

Up to 60 English-speaking teachers from cities such as Shanghai will be taking part in a new exchange programme which will also see English maths teachers working in schools in China, the Department for Education (DfE) said.

The move comes amid a continuing drive by government to overhaul maths in English schools, and follows a recent visit by Education Minister Elizabeth Truss to the country to examine how it teaches the subject.

Ministers have previously said that England can learn from Asian nations which have topped international league tables in key subjects.
Chinese maths teachers are to come to England to give masterclasses in the subject as part of a fresh bid to boost standards. Up to 60 English-speaking teachers from cities such as Shanghai will be taking part in a new exchange programme which will also see English maths teachers working in schools in China, the Department for Education (DfE) said. The move comes amid a continuing drive by government to overhaul maths in English schools, and follows a recent visit by Education Minister Elizabeth Truss to the country to examine how it teaches the subject. Ministers have previously said that England can learn from Asian nations which have topped international league tables in key subjects. allstar
  • Score: -1

6:09pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Matt Probert says...

Mary80 wrote:
The problem is EVERYONE is having money slashed they aren't the only ones to suffer govt cuts. We all have to suffer i don't see why teachers should be exempt
Not at all.

Politicians are having an 11% pay rise. Bankers are getting multi-million pound bonuses. The only people having their pay cut is the poor, the ordinary working people. NOT the elite.

There is NO reason why WE should suffer except to make the elite richer. When the people wake up, and recover from their narcotic and propaganda induced naivety perhaps then we will again stand together and demand democracy (look it up, it means equality) or at the very least, a living wage so that we may both heat our homes and eat.

Matt
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: The problem is EVERYONE is having money slashed they aren't the only ones to suffer govt cuts. We all have to suffer i don't see why teachers should be exempt[/p][/quote]Not at all. Politicians are having an 11% pay rise. Bankers are getting multi-million pound bonuses. The only people having their pay cut is the poor, the ordinary working people. NOT the elite. There is NO reason why WE should suffer except to make the elite richer. When the people wake up, and recover from their narcotic and propaganda induced naivety perhaps then we will again stand together and demand democracy (look it up, it means equality) or at the very least, a living wage so that we may both heat our homes and eat. Matt Matt Probert
  • Score: -1

6:33pm Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

allstar wrote:
Many Chinese-manufactured products in this country may come cheap, but the quality is not there. We cannot have that happening with the teaching workforce.
That is why Chinese Teachers are being sent here to teach people how to learn maths properly because the current teachers are failing , Your argument is flawed and has racist overtones .
How dare you accuse me of racism ! There is much that I admire about China, in particular Chinese art.

As regards to products, I can tell you that I have a tin opener that was made in Sheffield, England, over a hundred years ago, and it still works today. The other day I could not find it, so I used a new one I had bought at Sainsbury's as a spare. It broke before I could get one tin open ! And on the side it said "Made In China". A £35.00 clock from Marks and Spencers was supposedly brushed stainless steel. You could scratch it with finger nails ! Again, made in China.

But Patrick Eggles designed Faith guitars manufactured in China are nothing short of beautiful - there is nothing anywhere near them in that price range.

It is YOU, allstar, and your opinions that I dislike, not China or the Chinese as a race. Your country is helping Britain with teaching methods in Maths, but you make it sound as though you are rescuing us from the jaws of destruction ! Don't forget we still have our universities, Oxford and Cambridge in particular, which remain unrivalled, and which many of your fellow countrymen are happy to attend.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: Many Chinese-manufactured products in this country may come cheap, but the quality is not there. We cannot have that happening with the teaching workforce. That is why Chinese Teachers are being sent here to teach people how to learn maths properly because the current teachers are failing , Your argument is flawed and has racist overtones .[/p][/quote]How dare you accuse me of racism ! There is much that I admire about China, in particular Chinese art. As regards to products, I can tell you that I have a tin opener that was made in Sheffield, England, over a hundred years ago, and it still works today. The other day I could not find it, so I used a new one I had bought at Sainsbury's as a spare. It broke before I could get one tin open ! And on the side it said "Made In China". A £35.00 clock from Marks and Spencers was supposedly brushed stainless steel. You could scratch it with finger nails ! Again, made in China. But Patrick Eggles designed Faith guitars manufactured in China are nothing short of beautiful - there is nothing anywhere near them in that price range. It is YOU, allstar, and your opinions that I dislike, not China or the Chinese as a race. Your country is helping Britain with teaching methods in Maths, but you make it sound as though you are rescuing us from the jaws of destruction ! Don't forget we still have our universities, Oxford and Cambridge in particular, which remain unrivalled, and which many of your fellow countrymen are happy to attend. charrlee
  • Score: -2

8:33pm Sat 22 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Of course some people think Industrial Action is a strictly British phenomena, far from it, even Germany is not immune and I think France have a lot more problems than us
Of course some people think Industrial Action is a strictly British phenomena, far from it, even Germany is not immune and I think France have a lot more problems than us OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

9:03pm Sat 22 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

Perhaps we should have an national strike day once a year – a Friday would be best – the Olympic stadium would be a good mass assembly point – then, everyone could shuffle around in there, grunting slogans and waving banners, and the BBC could organise a Best Worthy Cause award – the prise being an apology from the government minister responsible. The rest of us, of course, could plan a long weekend away from it all, and everyone could be happy
Perhaps we should have an national strike day once a year – a Friday would be best – the Olympic stadium would be a good mass assembly point – then, everyone could shuffle around in there, grunting slogans and waving banners, and the BBC could organise a Best Worthy Cause award – the prise being an apology from the government minister responsible. The rest of us, of course, could plan a long weekend away from it all, and everyone could be happy good-gosh
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Sat 22 Mar 14

charrlee says...

good-gosh wrote:
Perhaps we should have an national strike day once a year – a Friday would be best – the Olympic stadium would be a good mass assembly point – then, everyone could shuffle around in there, grunting slogans and waving banners, and the BBC could organise a Best Worthy Cause award – the prise being an apology from the government minister responsible. The rest of us, of course, could plan a long weekend away from it all, and everyone could be happy
Your comment is just about as stupid as anything gets.

Didn't you pay attention in your history lessons ? Didn't you hear about the Industrial Revolution, where many employers treated the employees like animals, working long hours in appalling conditions for very low pay ? Children working in coalmines ? Some children worked in the mills where their job was to crawl in amongst the machinery to unclog it. Many were killed - just put down to "industrial accident".

Unions were introduced to enable a dialogue between the workforce and management. They negotiated a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. They negotiated conditions of service where employees had breaks, had toilets built and were allowed to use them, had a lunch break, and so on. Unions negotiated health and safety regulations.

Why were the unions able to negotiate these agreements with the management ? Because working people were legally entitled to withdraw their labour in circumstances where management refused to listen to their requests.

There was a time when the owners and managers of business were extremely rich, because maintaining high unemployment enabled the availability of very cheap labour. People would rather be poor and survive than die of starvation. To cut a very long story short, the unions helped to re-distribute the wealth so that employees had a better standard of living and quality of life. The threat of a strike was a great deterrent against exploitation of the workforce by greedy employers.

Without unions and the right to withdraw labour, employers would be rolling in money while the rest of us would be fighting in the streets over a loaf of bread.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Perhaps we should have an national strike day once a year – a Friday would be best – the Olympic stadium would be a good mass assembly point – then, everyone could shuffle around in there, grunting slogans and waving banners, and the BBC could organise a Best Worthy Cause award – the prise being an apology from the government minister responsible. The rest of us, of course, could plan a long weekend away from it all, and everyone could be happy[/p][/quote]Your comment is just about as stupid as anything gets. Didn't you pay attention in your history lessons ? Didn't you hear about the Industrial Revolution, where many employers treated the employees like animals, working long hours in appalling conditions for very low pay ? Children working in coalmines ? Some children worked in the mills where their job was to crawl in amongst the machinery to unclog it. Many were killed - just put down to "industrial accident". Unions were introduced to enable a dialogue between the workforce and management. They negotiated a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. They negotiated conditions of service where employees had breaks, had toilets built and were allowed to use them, had a lunch break, and so on. Unions negotiated health and safety regulations. Why were the unions able to negotiate these agreements with the management ? Because working people were legally entitled to withdraw their labour in circumstances where management refused to listen to their requests. There was a time when the owners and managers of business were extremely rich, because maintaining high unemployment enabled the availability of very cheap labour. People would rather be poor and survive than die of starvation. To cut a very long story short, the unions helped to re-distribute the wealth so that employees had a better standard of living and quality of life. The threat of a strike was a great deterrent against exploitation of the workforce by greedy employers. Without unions and the right to withdraw labour, employers would be rolling in money while the rest of us would be fighting in the streets over a loaf of bread. charrlee
  • Score: 0

1:13am Sun 23 Mar 14

Mj-trucker says...

Just a quick reply to charlee, being married to a nurse I can actually guarantee they bring work home. So perhaps you read up on stuff before posting an ill informed comment. Oh and feel free to take note that I'm a driver for a living and slate me accordingly ( including punctuation and my grammer)
Just a quick reply to charlee, being married to a nurse I can actually guarantee they bring work home. So perhaps you read up on stuff before posting an ill informed comment. Oh and feel free to take note that I'm a driver for a living and slate me accordingly ( including punctuation and my grammer) Mj-trucker
  • Score: 0

7:27am Sun 23 Mar 14

*BEHAPPY* says...

charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr
Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.
Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts
So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ?

How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours.

Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth.
How am I making insulting allegations ?! It's true they want more money. I'm now going to have a child at home one at school and I can't go to work . I'm simply having my say. It doesn't just effect the kids it's the parents too who have to miss a days pay
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts[/p][/quote]So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ? How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours. Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]How am I making insulting allegations ?! It's true they want more money. I'm now going to have a child at home one at school and I can't go to work . I'm simply having my say. It doesn't just effect the kids it's the parents too who have to miss a days pay *BEHAPPY*
  • Score: 0

8:50am Sun 23 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

charrlee wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Perhaps we should have an national strike day once a year – a Friday would be best – the Olympic stadium would be a good mass assembly point – then, everyone could shuffle around in there, grunting slogans and waving banners, and the BBC could organise a Best Worthy Cause award – the prise being an apology from the government minister responsible. The rest of us, of course, could plan a long weekend away from it all, and everyone could be happy
Your comment is just about as stupid as anything gets.

Didn't you pay attention in your history lessons ? Didn't you hear about the Industrial Revolution, where many employers treated the employees like animals, working long hours in appalling conditions for very low pay ? Children working in coalmines ? Some children worked in the mills where their job was to crawl in amongst the machinery to unclog it. Many were killed - just put down to "industrial accident".

Unions were introduced to enable a dialogue between the workforce and management. They negotiated a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. They negotiated conditions of service where employees had breaks, had toilets built and were allowed to use them, had a lunch break, and so on. Unions negotiated health and safety regulations.

Why were the unions able to negotiate these agreements with the management ? Because working people were legally entitled to withdraw their labour in circumstances where management refused to listen to their requests.

There was a time when the owners and managers of business were extremely rich, because maintaining high unemployment enabled the availability of very cheap labour. People would rather be poor and survive than die of starvation. To cut a very long story short, the unions helped to re-distribute the wealth so that employees had a better standard of living and quality of life. The threat of a strike was a great deterrent against exploitation of the workforce by greedy employers.

Without unions and the right to withdraw labour, employers would be rolling in money while the rest of us would be fighting in the streets over a loaf of bread.
Energetic busy boys like me – identified by our dirty fingernails and muddy knees – we were picked for technical school and didn’t have history lessons. Only nice clean boys with tidy hair history - at the nice clean boys school somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Perhaps we should have an national strike day once a year – a Friday would be best – the Olympic stadium would be a good mass assembly point – then, everyone could shuffle around in there, grunting slogans and waving banners, and the BBC could organise a Best Worthy Cause award – the prise being an apology from the government minister responsible. The rest of us, of course, could plan a long weekend away from it all, and everyone could be happy[/p][/quote]Your comment is just about as stupid as anything gets. Didn't you pay attention in your history lessons ? Didn't you hear about the Industrial Revolution, where many employers treated the employees like animals, working long hours in appalling conditions for very low pay ? Children working in coalmines ? Some children worked in the mills where their job was to crawl in amongst the machinery to unclog it. Many were killed - just put down to "industrial accident". Unions were introduced to enable a dialogue between the workforce and management. They negotiated a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. They negotiated conditions of service where employees had breaks, had toilets built and were allowed to use them, had a lunch break, and so on. Unions negotiated health and safety regulations. Why were the unions able to negotiate these agreements with the management ? Because working people were legally entitled to withdraw their labour in circumstances where management refused to listen to their requests. There was a time when the owners and managers of business were extremely rich, because maintaining high unemployment enabled the availability of very cheap labour. People would rather be poor and survive than die of starvation. To cut a very long story short, the unions helped to re-distribute the wealth so that employees had a better standard of living and quality of life. The threat of a strike was a great deterrent against exploitation of the workforce by greedy employers. Without unions and the right to withdraw labour, employers would be rolling in money while the rest of us would be fighting in the streets over a loaf of bread.[/p][/quote]Energetic busy boys like me – identified by our dirty fingernails and muddy knees – we were picked for technical school and didn’t have history lessons. Only nice clean boys with tidy hair history - at the nice clean boys school somewhere else. good-gosh
  • Score: -1

8:57am Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Mj-trucker wrote:
Just a quick reply to charlee, being married to a nurse I can actually guarantee they bring work home. So perhaps you read up on stuff before posting an ill informed comment. Oh and feel free to take note that I'm a driver for a living and slate me accordingly ( including punctuation and my grammer)
What a bitter, sarcastic, bad-tempered little driver you are !

What work do nurses take home ? Every single teacher in the land has at least 3 or 4 hours preparation and planning work to do EVERY SINGLE NIGHT ! If they didn't, how would they conduct their lessons the next day ? How would they have pictures, videos, displays, and artefacts ready ? How would they get their marking done ? How would they have Individual Learning Plans ready for specific individuals in each class with learning difficulties ? How would they complete pupil reports, and interim pupil asessments ?

Knowing some nurses, I know for a fact they do NOT have work to do at home. Anything they do is purely voluntary and not part of their contract. Whatever any of them CHOOSE to do, it is nothing compared to what teachers MUST do.

Believe you me I always read up on "stuff" before I post. I do not slate you for being a driver (why would I ?), and if you have problems with grammar, etc., take the trouble to follow some courses online if it bothers you.

However, I do slate you for being a sarcastic hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]Mj-trucker[/bold] wrote: Just a quick reply to charlee, being married to a nurse I can actually guarantee they bring work home. So perhaps you read up on stuff before posting an ill informed comment. Oh and feel free to take note that I'm a driver for a living and slate me accordingly ( including punctuation and my grammer)[/p][/quote]What a bitter, sarcastic, bad-tempered little driver you are ! What work do nurses take home ? Every single teacher in the land has at least 3 or 4 hours preparation and planning work to do EVERY SINGLE NIGHT ! If they didn't, how would they conduct their lessons the next day ? How would they have pictures, videos, displays, and artefacts ready ? How would they get their marking done ? How would they have Individual Learning Plans ready for specific individuals in each class with learning difficulties ? How would they complete pupil reports, and interim pupil asessments ? Knowing some nurses, I know for a fact they do NOT have work to do at home. Anything they do is purely voluntary and not part of their contract. Whatever any of them CHOOSE to do, it is nothing compared to what teachers MUST do. Believe you me I always read up on "stuff" before I post. I do not slate you for being a driver (why would I ?), and if you have problems with grammar, etc., take the trouble to follow some courses online if it bothers you. However, I do slate you for being a sarcastic hypocrite. charrlee
  • Score: 1

9:10am Sun 23 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

A word was missed in my little 08:50 blog above, so here it is all again -

Energetic busy boys like me – identified by our dirty fingernails and muddy knees – we were picked for technical school and didn’t have history lessons. Only nice clean boys with tidy hair had history - at the nice clean boys school somewhere else.
A word was missed in my little 08:50 blog above, so here it is all again - Energetic busy boys like me – identified by our dirty fingernails and muddy knees – we were picked for technical school and didn’t have history lessons. Only nice clean boys with tidy hair had history - at the nice clean boys school somewhere else. good-gosh
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9:13am Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

good-gosh wrote:
charrlee wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Perhaps we should have an national strike day once a year – a Friday would be best – the Olympic stadium would be a good mass assembly point – then, everyone could shuffle around in there, grunting slogans and waving banners, and the BBC could organise a Best Worthy Cause award – the prise being an apology from the government minister responsible. The rest of us, of course, could plan a long weekend away from it all, and everyone could be happy
Your comment is just about as stupid as anything gets.

Didn't you pay attention in your history lessons ? Didn't you hear about the Industrial Revolution, where many employers treated the employees like animals, working long hours in appalling conditions for very low pay ? Children working in coalmines ? Some children worked in the mills where their job was to crawl in amongst the machinery to unclog it. Many were killed - just put down to "industrial accident".

Unions were introduced to enable a dialogue between the workforce and management. They negotiated a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. They negotiated conditions of service where employees had breaks, had toilets built and were allowed to use them, had a lunch break, and so on. Unions negotiated health and safety regulations.

Why were the unions able to negotiate these agreements with the management ? Because working people were legally entitled to withdraw their labour in circumstances where management refused to listen to their requests.

There was a time when the owners and managers of business were extremely rich, because maintaining high unemployment enabled the availability of very cheap labour. People would rather be poor and survive than die of starvation. To cut a very long story short, the unions helped to re-distribute the wealth so that employees had a better standard of living and quality of life. The threat of a strike was a great deterrent against exploitation of the workforce by greedy employers.

Without unions and the right to withdraw labour, employers would be rolling in money while the rest of us would be fighting in the streets over a loaf of bread.
Energetic busy boys like me – identified by our dirty fingernails and muddy knees – we were picked for technical school and didn’t have history lessons. Only nice clean boys with tidy hair history - at the nice clean boys school somewhere else.
That is complete and utter satirical nonsense and you know it, good gosh ! Actually, it's very funny - and I know where you're coming from with it.

EVERYBODY did history. It was mandatory. You could give it up at the END of the third year ( Year 9, or Year 14 ). If you were in private, or special education ( amazingly called ESN, or Educationally Sub-Normal ! ), then some chunks of history may have been left out. But the endless books, films, dramas and documentaries on this very subject mean that few could have missed finding out something in their lives.

But if you really are from the planet Zoggh17, Wikipedia "the Industrial Revolution", and "History of the Unions" and you will find out all you need to know.

Then I want two 1000-word essays on each subject by Tuesday, Gosh ! Well get on with it, boy, and none of your backchat !

(Normally I look forward to and enjoy your posts, good gosh.)
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Perhaps we should have an national strike day once a year – a Friday would be best – the Olympic stadium would be a good mass assembly point – then, everyone could shuffle around in there, grunting slogans and waving banners, and the BBC could organise a Best Worthy Cause award – the prise being an apology from the government minister responsible. The rest of us, of course, could plan a long weekend away from it all, and everyone could be happy[/p][/quote]Your comment is just about as stupid as anything gets. Didn't you pay attention in your history lessons ? Didn't you hear about the Industrial Revolution, where many employers treated the employees like animals, working long hours in appalling conditions for very low pay ? Children working in coalmines ? Some children worked in the mills where their job was to crawl in amongst the machinery to unclog it. Many were killed - just put down to "industrial accident". Unions were introduced to enable a dialogue between the workforce and management. They negotiated a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. They negotiated conditions of service where employees had breaks, had toilets built and were allowed to use them, had a lunch break, and so on. Unions negotiated health and safety regulations. Why were the unions able to negotiate these agreements with the management ? Because working people were legally entitled to withdraw their labour in circumstances where management refused to listen to their requests. There was a time when the owners and managers of business were extremely rich, because maintaining high unemployment enabled the availability of very cheap labour. People would rather be poor and survive than die of starvation. To cut a very long story short, the unions helped to re-distribute the wealth so that employees had a better standard of living and quality of life. The threat of a strike was a great deterrent against exploitation of the workforce by greedy employers. Without unions and the right to withdraw labour, employers would be rolling in money while the rest of us would be fighting in the streets over a loaf of bread.[/p][/quote]Energetic busy boys like me – identified by our dirty fingernails and muddy knees – we were picked for technical school and didn’t have history lessons. Only nice clean boys with tidy hair history - at the nice clean boys school somewhere else.[/p][/quote]That is complete and utter satirical nonsense and you know it, good gosh ! Actually, it's very funny - and I know where you're coming from with it. EVERYBODY did history. It was mandatory. You could give it up at the END of the third year ( Year 9, or Year 14 ). If you were in private, or special education ( amazingly called ESN, or Educationally Sub-Normal ! ), then some chunks of history may have been left out. But the endless books, films, dramas and documentaries on this very subject mean that few could have missed finding out something in their lives. But if you really are from the planet Zoggh17, Wikipedia "the Industrial Revolution", and "History of the Unions" and you will find out all you need to know. Then I want two 1000-word essays on each subject by Tuesday, Gosh ! Well get on with it, boy, and none of your backchat ! (Normally I look forward to and enjoy your posts, good gosh.) charrlee
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9:20am Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

good-gosh wrote:
A word was missed in my little 08:50 blog above, so here it is all again -

Energetic busy boys like me – identified by our dirty fingernails and muddy knees – we were picked for technical school and didn’t have history lessons. Only nice clean boys with tidy hair had history - at the nice clean boys school somewhere else.
Oh yes. I didn't really notice it till now !

Right children ! This week we will be looking at The Black Death, and Gothic architecture, but next week, as it's the end of term, we will watch the DVD entitled "The History of Tidy Hair" by Professor Good-Gosh.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: A word was missed in my little 08:50 blog above, so here it is all again - Energetic busy boys like me – identified by our dirty fingernails and muddy knees – we were picked for technical school and didn’t have history lessons. Only nice clean boys with tidy hair had history - at the nice clean boys school somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Oh yes. I didn't really notice it till now ! Right children ! This week we will be looking at The Black Death, and Gothic architecture, but next week, as it's the end of term, we will watch the DVD entitled "The History of Tidy Hair" by Professor Good-Gosh. charrlee
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9:22am Sun 23 Mar 14

allstar says...

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.”
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.” allstar
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9:43am Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

*BEHAPPY* wrote:
charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr
Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.
Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts
So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ?

How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours.

Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth.
How am I making insulting allegations ?! It's true they want more money. I'm now going to have a child at home one at school and I can't go to work . I'm simply having my say. It doesn't just effect the kids it's the parents too who have to miss a days pay
Here is your insulting allegation :

"And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr"
I assume you meant to say "we have the children's interests at heart". Anyway, you are clearly implying that you do not believe teachers are interested in childrens educational progress, which is an INSULTING ALLEGATION to make. If you intend to "have your say" in public, you need to demonstrate a reasonable level of integrity otherwise you will look stupid. And what does "plz" mean ?

The explanation : The teaching profession is losing good staff to better-paid jobs. Improvements in pay and conditions will encourage good teachers to stay, which will benefit the children. The strike is to force Mr Gove, the education minister, to think about this, which he is refusing to do at the moment.

Clear ?
[quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts[/p][/quote]So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ? How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours. Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]How am I making insulting allegations ?! It's true they want more money. I'm now going to have a child at home one at school and I can't go to work . I'm simply having my say. It doesn't just effect the kids it's the parents too who have to miss a days pay[/p][/quote]Here is your insulting allegation : "And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr" I assume you meant to say "we have the children's interests at heart". Anyway, you are clearly implying that you do not believe teachers are interested in childrens educational progress, which is an INSULTING ALLEGATION to make. If you intend to "have your say" in public, you need to demonstrate a reasonable level of integrity otherwise you will look stupid. And what does "plz" mean ? The explanation : The teaching profession is losing good staff to better-paid jobs. Improvements in pay and conditions will encourage good teachers to stay, which will benefit the children. The strike is to force Mr Gove, the education minister, to think about this, which he is refusing to do at the moment. Clear ? charrlee
  • Score: -1

10:02am Sun 23 Mar 14

notableedingheart says...

allstar wrote:
Overpaid , Too many holidays , Underworked in many cases , Secure job , If they do like having to work then they should leave , This is being driven by the loony left and the trade union , If you are a teacher and you disagree with the above comments then let s compare your salary and conditions of employment to a nurse who works for a lot less than you but still has to qualify for the same amount of time and let us also compare your hourly rate over one year with all the holidays you get to a nurses hourly rate .
If you do not want to do the job then there are plenty of others who could
Good on the Teachers. I take my hat off to a public sector that endures so much unwarranted criticism from the great unwashed ignorant public, have to deal with increasing numbers of dysfunctional demanding parents, deal with increasing numbers of dysfunctional kids and most of all have to endure Employers and OFSTED who have little understanding of what it is like to stand at the front of a class day in day out.
I have many years of senior management experience and have always been in awe of Teachers who provide untold hours of unremunerated and un-recognised extra hours. I recall one conversation with a Head teacher who was bemoaning his Teachers after which I advised him that if he stepped into the real world of "Non-dedicated" staff he would realise how fortunate he was to have a staff of Teachers. I followed up with a statement that I would give my left testicle to have staff like Teachers who work for a moderate wage, provide many unpaid hours, forgo lunchbreaks, and other breaks to ensure tasks, usually idiotic Employer mandated tasks, are achieved, expend their own monies on resources etc. The Head Teacher was shocked with such robust language and genuinely did not realise how fortunate he was compared to other public agencies.
On top of everything now Teachers have to endure a Government comprised of public school boys and girls who have absolutely no idea of what it is like in the real world and the real world of dealing with dysfunctional parents and kids.
I know some Teachers as neighbours and friends and would never wish to be a Teacher. I have witnessed first hand the huge hours they work and the insecurity they experience in their workplace. Security of employment - what nonsense - all of the Teachers I know fear adverse or disciplinary actions if they fail to perform the impossible. Well paid - nonsense - a moderate at best for degree educated professionals, many of whom have 2 or even 3 degrees. In the real world such dedicated and tertiary qualified staff would be receiving at least double their public service salary.
We should be supporting Teachers instead of lambasting them. If it was not for their seemingly naïve dedication and commitment, and tenacity, we would never be able to attract such people to educate our kids.
Go on with it Teachers - ensure your grievances are heard and hopefully understood by this privileged mob who masquerade as a tory Government.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: Overpaid , Too many holidays , Underworked in many cases , Secure job , If they do like having to work then they should leave , This is being driven by the loony left and the trade union , If you are a teacher and you disagree with the above comments then let s compare your salary and conditions of employment to a nurse who works for a lot less than you but still has to qualify for the same amount of time and let us also compare your hourly rate over one year with all the holidays you get to a nurses hourly rate . If you do not want to do the job then there are plenty of others who could[/p][/quote]Good on the Teachers. I take my hat off to a public sector that endures so much unwarranted criticism from the great unwashed ignorant public, have to deal with increasing numbers of dysfunctional demanding parents, deal with increasing numbers of dysfunctional kids and most of all have to endure Employers and OFSTED who have little understanding of what it is like to stand at the front of a class day in day out. I have many years of senior management experience and have always been in awe of Teachers who provide untold hours of unremunerated and un-recognised extra hours. I recall one conversation with a Head teacher who was bemoaning his Teachers after which I advised him that if he stepped into the real world of "Non-dedicated" staff he would realise how fortunate he was to have a staff of Teachers. I followed up with a statement that I would give my left testicle to have staff like Teachers who work for a moderate wage, provide many unpaid hours, forgo lunchbreaks, and other breaks to ensure tasks, usually idiotic Employer mandated tasks, are achieved, expend their own monies on resources etc. The Head Teacher was shocked with such robust language and genuinely did not realise how fortunate he was compared to other public agencies. On top of everything now Teachers have to endure a Government comprised of public school boys and girls who have absolutely no idea of what it is like in the real world and the real world of dealing with dysfunctional parents and kids. I know some Teachers as neighbours and friends and would never wish to be a Teacher. I have witnessed first hand the huge hours they work and the insecurity they experience in their workplace. Security of employment - what nonsense - all of the Teachers I know fear adverse or disciplinary actions if they fail to perform the impossible. Well paid - nonsense - a moderate at best for degree educated professionals, many of whom have 2 or even 3 degrees. In the real world such dedicated and tertiary qualified staff would be receiving at least double their public service salary. We should be supporting Teachers instead of lambasting them. If it was not for their seemingly naïve dedication and commitment, and tenacity, we would never be able to attract such people to educate our kids. Go on with it Teachers - ensure your grievances are heard and hopefully understood by this privileged mob who masquerade as a tory Government. notableedingheart
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10:06am Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

allstar wrote:
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.”
I thought you were a troll. Now I know.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.”[/p][/quote]I thought you were a troll. Now I know. charrlee
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10:14am Sun 23 Mar 14

allstar says...

charrlee wrote:
allstar wrote:
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.”
I thought you were a troll. Now I know.
I would never drop down to your level and reply with personal attacks , You do not know me personally , All I can say is how sad
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.”[/p][/quote]I thought you were a troll. Now I know.[/p][/quote]I would never drop down to your level and reply with personal attacks , You do not know me personally , All I can say is how sad allstar
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10:34am Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

allstar wrote:
charrlee wrote:
allstar wrote:
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.”
I thought you were a troll. Now I know.
I would never drop down to your level and reply with personal attacks , You do not know me personally , All I can say is how sad
More irrelevant trolling. If only "how sad" WAS all you will say !
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.”[/p][/quote]I thought you were a troll. Now I know.[/p][/quote]I would never drop down to your level and reply with personal attacks , You do not know me personally , All I can say is how sad[/p][/quote]More irrelevant trolling. If only "how sad" WAS all you will say ! charrlee
  • Score: 0

10:43am Sun 23 Mar 14

VOR666 says...

Thank you Notableedingheart. It is really nice that you are speaking in favour of teachers. I am in the business and it is so hurtful to read some of the comments on here from people that have no idea what they are talking about, so thank you for speaking up for us.
Thank you Notableedingheart. It is really nice that you are speaking in favour of teachers. I am in the business and it is so hurtful to read some of the comments on here from people that have no idea what they are talking about, so thank you for speaking up for us. VOR666
  • Score: 5

10:45am Sun 23 Mar 14

*BEHAPPY* says...

charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr
Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.
Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts
So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ?

How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours.

Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth.
How am I making insulting allegations ?! It's true they want more money. I'm now going to have a child at home one at school and I can't go to work . I'm simply having my say. It doesn't just effect the kids it's the parents too who have to miss a days pay
Here is your insulting allegation :

"And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr"
I assume you meant to say "we have the children's interests at heart". Anyway, you are clearly implying that you do not believe teachers are interested in childrens educational progress, which is an INSULTING ALLEGATION to make. If you intend to "have your say" in public, you need to demonstrate a reasonable level of integrity otherwise you will look stupid. And what does "plz" mean ?

The explanation : The teaching profession is losing good staff to better-paid jobs. Improvements in pay and conditions will encourage good teachers to stay, which will benefit the children. The strike is to force Mr Gove, the education minister, to think about this, which he is refusing to do at the moment.

Clear ?
Lol (laugh out lol)
How is getting more money going to benefit the children? So are you saying if they get a pay rise the teachers will do a better job. Your a very bitter person and as I said before you've clearly too much time to comment on most post! This topic is clearly getting you - you need to relax alittle.
I'm now off to enjoy the sun whilst you continue to comment on everthing!!!!
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts[/p][/quote]So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ? How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours. Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]How am I making insulting allegations ?! It's true they want more money. I'm now going to have a child at home one at school and I can't go to work . I'm simply having my say. It doesn't just effect the kids it's the parents too who have to miss a days pay[/p][/quote]Here is your insulting allegation : "And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr" I assume you meant to say "we have the children's interests at heart". Anyway, you are clearly implying that you do not believe teachers are interested in childrens educational progress, which is an INSULTING ALLEGATION to make. If you intend to "have your say" in public, you need to demonstrate a reasonable level of integrity otherwise you will look stupid. And what does "plz" mean ? The explanation : The teaching profession is losing good staff to better-paid jobs. Improvements in pay and conditions will encourage good teachers to stay, which will benefit the children. The strike is to force Mr Gove, the education minister, to think about this, which he is refusing to do at the moment. Clear ?[/p][/quote]Lol (laugh out lol) How is getting more money going to benefit the children? So are you saying if they get a pay rise the teachers will do a better job. Your a very bitter person and as I said before you've clearly too much time to comment on most post! This topic is clearly getting you - you need to relax alittle. I'm now off to enjoy the sun whilst you continue to comment on everthing!!!! *BEHAPPY*
  • Score: 0

10:48am Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

notableedingheart says... 10:02am Sun 23 Mar 14

Good on the Teachers. I take my hat off to a public sector that endures so much unwarranted criticism from the great unwashed ignorant public, have to deal with increasing numbers of dysfunctional demanding parents, deal with increasing numbers of dysfunctional kids and most of all have to endure Employers and OFSTED who have little understanding of what it is like to stand at the front of a class day in day out.
I have many years of senior management experience and have always been in awe of Teachers who provide untold hours of unremunerated and un-recognised extra hours. I recall one conversation with a Head teacher who was bemoaning his Teachers after which I advised him that if he stepped into the real world of "Non-dedicated" staff he would realise how fortunate he was to have a staff of Teachers. I followed up with a statement that I would give my left testicle to have staff like Teachers who work for a moderate wage, provide many unpaid hours, forgo lunchbreaks, and other breaks to ensure tasks, usually idiotic Employer mandated tasks, are achieved, expend their own monies on resources etc. The Head Teacher was shocked with such robust language and genuinely did not realise how fortunate he was compared to other public agencies.
On top of everything now Teachers have to endure a Government comprised of public school boys and girls who have absolutely no idea of what it is like in the real world and the real world of dealing with dysfunctional parents and kids.
I know some Teachers as neighbours and friends and would never wish to be a Teacher. I have witnessed first hand the huge hours they work and the insecurity they experience in their workplace. Security of employment - what nonsense - all of the Teachers I know fear adverse or disciplinary actions if they fail to perform the impossible. Well paid - nonsense - a moderate at best for degree educated professionals, many of whom have 2 or even 3 degrees. In the real world such dedicated and tertiary qualified staff would be receiving at least double their public service salary.
We should be supporting Teachers instead of lambasting them. If it was not for their seemingly naïve dedication and commitment, and tenacity, we would never be able to attract such people to educate our kids.
Go on with it Teachers - ensure your grievances are heard and hopefully understood by this privileged mob who masquerade as a tory Government.



At last someone outside of teaching has made some very positive, informed comments. Thank you for taking the trouble, notableedingheart.
Let's hope the people who need to read this, in particular the "Twitter generation", get beyond the first sentence.
notableedingheart says... 10:02am Sun 23 Mar 14 Good on the Teachers. I take my hat off to a public sector that endures so much unwarranted criticism from the great unwashed ignorant public, have to deal with increasing numbers of dysfunctional demanding parents, deal with increasing numbers of dysfunctional kids and most of all have to endure Employers and OFSTED who have little understanding of what it is like to stand at the front of a class day in day out. I have many years of senior management experience and have always been in awe of Teachers who provide untold hours of unremunerated and un-recognised extra hours. I recall one conversation with a Head teacher who was bemoaning his Teachers after which I advised him that if he stepped into the real world of "Non-dedicated" staff he would realise how fortunate he was to have a staff of Teachers. I followed up with a statement that I would give my left testicle to have staff like Teachers who work for a moderate wage, provide many unpaid hours, forgo lunchbreaks, and other breaks to ensure tasks, usually idiotic Employer mandated tasks, are achieved, expend their own monies on resources etc. The Head Teacher was shocked with such robust language and genuinely did not realise how fortunate he was compared to other public agencies. On top of everything now Teachers have to endure a Government comprised of public school boys and girls who have absolutely no idea of what it is like in the real world and the real world of dealing with dysfunctional parents and kids. I know some Teachers as neighbours and friends and would never wish to be a Teacher. I have witnessed first hand the huge hours they work and the insecurity they experience in their workplace. Security of employment - what nonsense - all of the Teachers I know fear adverse or disciplinary actions if they fail to perform the impossible. Well paid - nonsense - a moderate at best for degree educated professionals, many of whom have 2 or even 3 degrees. In the real world such dedicated and tertiary qualified staff would be receiving at least double their public service salary. We should be supporting Teachers instead of lambasting them. If it was not for their seemingly naïve dedication and commitment, and tenacity, we would never be able to attract such people to educate our kids. Go on with it Teachers - ensure your grievances are heard and hopefully understood by this privileged mob who masquerade as a tory Government. At last someone outside of teaching has made some very positive, informed comments. Thank you for taking the trouble, notableedingheart. Let's hope the people who need to read this, in particular the "Twitter generation", get beyond the first sentence. charrlee
  • Score: 3

10:57am Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

*BEHAPPY* wrote:
charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
charrlee wrote:
*BEHAPPY* wrote:
This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr
Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.
Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts
So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ?

How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours.

Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth.
How am I making insulting allegations ?! It's true they want more money. I'm now going to have a child at home one at school and I can't go to work . I'm simply having my say. It doesn't just effect the kids it's the parents too who have to miss a days pay
Here is your insulting allegation :

"And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr"
I assume you meant to say "we have the children's interests at heart". Anyway, you are clearly implying that you do not believe teachers are interested in childrens educational progress, which is an INSULTING ALLEGATION to make. If you intend to "have your say" in public, you need to demonstrate a reasonable level of integrity otherwise you will look stupid. And what does "plz" mean ?

The explanation : The teaching profession is losing good staff to better-paid jobs. Improvements in pay and conditions will encourage good teachers to stay, which will benefit the children. The strike is to force Mr Gove, the education minister, to think about this, which he is refusing to do at the moment.

Clear ?
Lol (laugh out lol)
How is getting more money going to benefit the children? So are you saying if they get a pay rise the teachers will do a better job. Your a very bitter person and as I said before you've clearly too much time to comment on most post! This topic is clearly getting you - you need to relax alittle.
I'm now off to enjoy the sun whilst you continue to comment on everthing!!!!
You have not read it properly, have you ? I am saying WE ARE LOSING GOOD TEACHERS TO BETTER-PAID JOBS.

No doubt when your children are older, they'll ask you NOT to go to parents evening for fear of you causing them embarrassment through your inability to understand simple English.

You go and enjoy the sun. You certainly have nothing of value to say here.
[quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]*BEHAPPY*[/bold] wrote: This is shocking. I have one child off school at an infant school and another who attends the junior school has to go in ! She's now very upset that she has to go to school yet her brother doesn't. All this because they want more money - don't we all. If we all went on stike the world would stop!! And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Read about your subject before you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to have their say- without you Charlee being rude. You clearly have too much time to be able to comment on a lot of posts[/p][/quote]So you don't think YOU are being rude by making insulting allegations about the people you depend on to educate your children ? How I spend my time is my business, and none of yours. Now, as I said, read about your subject BEFORE you open your mouth.[/p][/quote]How am I making insulting allegations ?! It's true they want more money. I'm now going to have a child at home one at school and I can't go to work . I'm simply having my say. It doesn't just effect the kids it's the parents too who have to miss a days pay[/p][/quote]Here is your insulting allegation : "And to say (the last stike action) we have the childrens heart at interest plz explain how ?!?! Ggrrr" I assume you meant to say "we have the children's interests at heart". Anyway, you are clearly implying that you do not believe teachers are interested in childrens educational progress, which is an INSULTING ALLEGATION to make. If you intend to "have your say" in public, you need to demonstrate a reasonable level of integrity otherwise you will look stupid. And what does "plz" mean ? The explanation : The teaching profession is losing good staff to better-paid jobs. Improvements in pay and conditions will encourage good teachers to stay, which will benefit the children. The strike is to force Mr Gove, the education minister, to think about this, which he is refusing to do at the moment. Clear ?[/p][/quote]Lol (laugh out lol) How is getting more money going to benefit the children? So are you saying if they get a pay rise the teachers will do a better job. Your a very bitter person and as I said before you've clearly too much time to comment on most post! This topic is clearly getting you - you need to relax alittle. I'm now off to enjoy the sun whilst you continue to comment on everthing!!!![/p][/quote]You have not read it properly, have you ? I am saying WE ARE LOSING GOOD TEACHERS TO BETTER-PAID JOBS. No doubt when your children are older, they'll ask you NOT to go to parents evening for fear of you causing them embarrassment through your inability to understand simple English. You go and enjoy the sun. You certainly have nothing of value to say here. charrlee
  • Score: 1

11:15am Sun 23 Mar 14

VOR666 says...

By being rather confrontational, as I have said before, and I have to say, somewhat rude, you are lowering yourself to their standards, which is not really appropriate for someone from the profession. We need to remain dignified when under attack, not lower ourselves to the standards of those who attack. Your style will only fuel their beliefs. This is sad.
By being rather confrontational, as I have said before, and I have to say, somewhat rude, you are lowering yourself to their standards, which is not really appropriate for someone from the profession. We need to remain dignified when under attack, not lower ourselves to the standards of those who attack. Your style will only fuel their beliefs. This is sad. VOR666
  • Score: 0

11:49am Sun 23 Mar 14

wishilivedabroad says...

the only people who suffer are parents and businesses, those who have to take time off work to look after the children, or those that to find more money for childcare - businesses losing staff who have to stay at home with thier children, I am a parent myself but I also work in a school - I dont agree with striking but I am still being penalised because I have to go to work if I am not striking, if I stay at home to look after my children because they cant go in if the school is closed, I dont get paid !! striking is not the answer
the only people who suffer are parents and businesses, those who have to take time off work to look after the children, or those that to find more money for childcare - businesses losing staff who have to stay at home with thier children, I am a parent myself but I also work in a school - I dont agree with striking but I am still being penalised because I have to go to work if I am not striking, if I stay at home to look after my children because they cant go in if the school is closed, I dont get paid !! striking is not the answer wishilivedabroad
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

VOR666 wrote:
By being rather confrontational, as I have said before, and I have to say, somewhat rude, you are lowering yourself to their standards, which is not really appropriate for someone from the profession. We need to remain dignified when under attack, not lower ourselves to the standards of those who attack. Your style will only fuel their beliefs. This is sad.
I am here as a forum reader, as a contributor, and "noble" defender of right against wrong, and of course, entertainment. This ain't Panorama, and I do not find the necessity to adopt "attitude" on other papers to which I contribute. I call myself by the name of a ladies' underskirt, and you, you are a "cherished" registration plate, I imagine.

You will never change the beliefs of the working classes - they invented endemic, inverted snobbery.

This is the real world. Good luck with claiming your inheritance, Mr Meek !
[quote][p][bold]VOR666[/bold] wrote: By being rather confrontational, as I have said before, and I have to say, somewhat rude, you are lowering yourself to their standards, which is not really appropriate for someone from the profession. We need to remain dignified when under attack, not lower ourselves to the standards of those who attack. Your style will only fuel their beliefs. This is sad.[/p][/quote]I am here as a forum reader, as a contributor, and "noble" defender of right against wrong, and of course, entertainment. This ain't Panorama, and I do not find the necessity to adopt "attitude" on other papers to which I contribute. I call myself by the name of a ladies' underskirt, and you, you are a "cherished" registration plate, I imagine. You will never change the beliefs of the working classes - they invented endemic, inverted snobbery. This is the real world. Good luck with claiming your inheritance, Mr Meek ! charrlee
  • Score: 1

1:27pm Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

wishilivedabroad wrote:
the only people who suffer are parents and businesses, those who have to take time off work to look after the children, or those that to find more money for childcare - businesses losing staff who have to stay at home with thier children, I am a parent myself but I also work in a school - I dont agree with striking but I am still being penalised because I have to go to work if I am not striking, if I stay at home to look after my children because they cant go in if the school is closed, I dont get paid !! striking is not the answer
Try to see the bigger picture, rather than view things solely from your own selfish perspective.
[quote][p][bold]wishilivedabroad[/bold] wrote: the only people who suffer are parents and businesses, those who have to take time off work to look after the children, or those that to find more money for childcare - businesses losing staff who have to stay at home with thier children, I am a parent myself but I also work in a school - I dont agree with striking but I am still being penalised because I have to go to work if I am not striking, if I stay at home to look after my children because they cant go in if the school is closed, I dont get paid !! striking is not the answer[/p][/quote]Try to see the bigger picture, rather than view things solely from your own selfish perspective. charrlee
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

VOR666 ? I've just realised that you have contributed nothing to the debate. When, and if, teachers get a pay rise, will you send yours back ?
VOR666 ? I've just realised that you have contributed nothing to the debate. When, and if, teachers get a pay rise, will you send yours back ? charrlee
  • Score: -1

3:39pm Sun 23 Mar 14

VOR666 says...

Of course not. I fully support strike action. It's just that my union is not taking action on Wednesday. What I object to is unnecessary rudeness and confrontation for the sake of it.
Of course not. I fully support strike action. It's just that my union is not taking action on Wednesday. What I object to is unnecessary rudeness and confrontation for the sake of it. VOR666
  • Score: 1

4:49pm Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

VOR666 wrote:
Of course not. I fully support strike action. It's just that my union is not taking action on Wednesday. What I object to is unnecessary rudeness and confrontation for the sake of it.
Got you !

You refer to "unnecessary rudeness and confrontation". Quite. I, also object to "unnecessary rudeness and confrontation". But I am very much in favour of "necessary rudeness and confrontation", which is often required on this forum if you do not wish to fall victim to the numerous predatory "trolls" who operate here. If this forum was premoderated like the civilised nationals, then my approach here would be quite different.

Turning the other cheek, turning a blind eye, remaining tight-lipped, ignoring things - it's only a few steps away from Stockholm (or maybe more precisely Helsinki) syndrome. And of course you will take the passive way out by denying it.
[quote][p][bold]VOR666[/bold] wrote: Of course not. I fully support strike action. It's just that my union is not taking action on Wednesday. What I object to is unnecessary rudeness and confrontation for the sake of it.[/p][/quote]Got you ! You refer to "unnecessary rudeness and confrontation". Quite. I, also object to "unnecessary rudeness and confrontation". But I am very much in favour of "necessary rudeness and confrontation", which is often required on this forum if you do not wish to fall victim to the numerous predatory "trolls" who operate here. If this forum was premoderated like the civilised nationals, then my approach here would be quite different. Turning the other cheek, turning a blind eye, remaining tight-lipped, ignoring things - it's only a few steps away from Stockholm (or maybe more precisely Helsinki) syndrome. And of course you will take the passive way out by denying it. charrlee
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Dan Soton says...

Some Teachers cant take a hint


Teachers up t'North are 20% to 40% better off.. Local Purchasing Power in Newcastle Upon Tyne is 79.36% higher than in Southampton,

http://tinyurl.com/o
8hg93n


Why isn't your Union asking you to strike for fairer North/South Cost of Living Allowances?


Your quick to strike for higher London weighting allowance, saying the cost of living in the capital is forcing you to leave the profession.


http://tinyurl.com/p
mn65vc


Here's the hint.. your local Union, the Labour Party and Tom Cobbley et al want you to migrate North..



,,
Some Teachers cant take a hint Teachers up t'North are 20% to 40% better off.. Local Purchasing Power in Newcastle Upon Tyne is 79.36% higher than in Southampton, http://tinyurl.com/o 8hg93n Why isn't your Union asking you to strike for fairer North/South Cost of Living Allowances? Your quick to strike for higher London weighting allowance, saying the cost of living in the capital is forcing you to leave the profession. http://tinyurl.com/p mn65vc Here's the hint.. your local Union, the Labour Party and Tom Cobbley et al want you to migrate North.. ,, Dan Soton
  • Score: 3

6:08pm Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Some Teachers cant take a hint


Teachers up t'North are 20% to 40% better off.. Local Purchasing Power in Newcastle Upon Tyne is 79.36% higher than in Southampton,

http://tinyurl.com/o

8hg93n


Why isn't your Union asking you to strike for fairer North/South Cost of Living Allowances?


Your quick to strike for higher London weighting allowance, saying the cost of living in the capital is forcing you to leave the profession.


http://tinyurl.com/p

mn65vc


Here's the hint.. your local Union, the Labour Party and Tom Cobbley et al want you to migrate North..



,,
I don't know exactly how many centuries you are behind with this revelation, good buddy, but the cost of living has always been lower up north. I mean ALWAYS.

And here's another "secret" you might have missed : it's the same for everyone, not just teachers.

I should ring your keyworker tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Some Teachers cant take a hint Teachers up t'North are 20% to 40% better off.. Local Purchasing Power in Newcastle Upon Tyne is 79.36% higher than in Southampton, http://tinyurl.com/o 8hg93n Why isn't your Union asking you to strike for fairer North/South Cost of Living Allowances? Your quick to strike for higher London weighting allowance, saying the cost of living in the capital is forcing you to leave the profession. http://tinyurl.com/p mn65vc Here's the hint.. your local Union, the Labour Party and Tom Cobbley et al want you to migrate North.. ,,[/p][/quote]I don't know exactly how many centuries you are behind with this revelation, good buddy, but the cost of living has always been lower up north. I mean ALWAYS. And here's another "secret" you might have missed : it's the same for everyone, not just teachers. I should ring your keyworker tomorrow. charrlee
  • Score: -6

8:48pm Sun 23 Mar 14

allstar says...

I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject,
Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.
I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject, Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous. allstar
  • Score: 0

9:09pm Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

allstar wrote:
I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject,
Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.
Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ?

Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow.

Best thing you can do is clear off.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject, Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.[/p][/quote]Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ? Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow. Best thing you can do is clear off. charrlee
  • Score: -1

9:15pm Sun 23 Mar 14

allstar says...

charrlee wrote:
allstar wrote:
I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject,
Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.
Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ?

Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow.

Best thing you can do is clear off.
You are the stupid one , Ignorant , Scared of being wrong and cannot even debate like an adult , All that comes from you is more of the brown stuff ,
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject, Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.[/p][/quote]Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ? Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow. Best thing you can do is clear off.[/p][/quote]You are the stupid one , Ignorant , Scared of being wrong and cannot even debate like an adult , All that comes from you is more of the brown stuff , allstar
  • Score: 0

9:29pm Sun 23 Mar 14

allstar says...

allstar wrote:
charrlee wrote:
allstar wrote:
I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject,
Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.
Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ?

Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow.

Best thing you can do is clear off.
You are the stupid one , Ignorant , Scared of being wrong and cannot even debate like an adult , All that comes from you is more of the brown stuff ,
Ha Ha Ha Too ashamed to publish and scared you will be exposed as a money grabber , I have enough of the rubbish that comes from your twisted mind
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject, Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.[/p][/quote]Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ? Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow. Best thing you can do is clear off.[/p][/quote]You are the stupid one , Ignorant , Scared of being wrong and cannot even debate like an adult , All that comes from you is more of the brown stuff ,[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha Too ashamed to publish and scared you will be exposed as a money grabber , I have enough of the rubbish that comes from your twisted mind allstar
  • Score: -1

9:29pm Sun 23 Mar 14

allstar says...

allstar wrote:
charrlee wrote:
allstar wrote:
I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject,
Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.
Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ?

Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow.

Best thing you can do is clear off.
You are the stupid one , Ignorant , Scared of being wrong and cannot even debate like an adult , All that comes from you is more of the brown stuff ,
Ha Ha Ha Too ashamed to publish and scared you will be exposed as a money grabber , I have enough of the rubbish that comes from your twisted mind
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject, Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.[/p][/quote]Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ? Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow. Best thing you can do is clear off.[/p][/quote]You are the stupid one , Ignorant , Scared of being wrong and cannot even debate like an adult , All that comes from you is more of the brown stuff ,[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha Too ashamed to publish and scared you will be exposed as a money grabber , I have enough of the rubbish that comes from your twisted mind allstar
  • Score: -1

10:28pm Sun 23 Mar 14

charrlee says...

allstar wrote:
allstar wrote:
charrlee wrote:
allstar wrote:
I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject,
Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.
Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ?

Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow.

Best thing you can do is clear off.
You are the stupid one , Ignorant , Scared of being wrong and cannot even debate like an adult , All that comes from you is more of the brown stuff ,
Ha Ha Ha Too ashamed to publish and scared you will be exposed as a money grabber , I have enough of the rubbish that comes from your twisted mind
Lets just wait and see who takes an interest in you.

But I can tell you right now : no one.

You are one of the weakest, most pathetic trolls to ever think they could fool anyone !
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject, Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.[/p][/quote]Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ? Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow. Best thing you can do is clear off.[/p][/quote]You are the stupid one , Ignorant , Scared of being wrong and cannot even debate like an adult , All that comes from you is more of the brown stuff ,[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha Too ashamed to publish and scared you will be exposed as a money grabber , I have enough of the rubbish that comes from your twisted mind[/p][/quote]Lets just wait and see who takes an interest in you. But I can tell you right now : no one. You are one of the weakest, most pathetic trolls to ever think they could fool anyone ! charrlee
  • Score: 0

2:39pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Dan Soton says...

charrlee wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Some Teachers cant take a hint


Teachers up t'North are 20% to 40% better off.. Local Purchasing Power in Newcastle Upon Tyne is 79.36% higher than in Southampton,

http://tinyurl.com/o


8hg93n


Why isn't your Union asking you to strike for fairer North/South Cost of Living Allowances?


Your quick to strike for higher London weighting allowance, saying the cost of living in the capital is forcing you to leave the profession.


http://tinyurl.com/p


mn65vc


Here's the hint.. your local Union, the Labour Party and Tom Cobbley et al want you to migrate North..



,,
I don't know exactly how many centuries you are behind with this revelation, good buddy, but the cost of living has always been lower up north. I mean ALWAYS.

And here's another "secret" you might have missed : it's the same for everyone, not just teachers.

I should ring your keyworker tomorrow.
Charrlee says.. it's the same for everyone, not just teachers


I said as much back in October 2013, did you read it?.. much too boring to keep on repeating myself


Strike for Lower Taxes for All and Fairer South/North Teachers Cost of Living Allowances.

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10747850
.Head_teacher_calls_
for_general_strike



Thank you.. Self employed, my own boss for 36 yrs



,,,
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Some Teachers cant take a hint Teachers up t'North are 20% to 40% better off.. Local Purchasing Power in Newcastle Upon Tyne is 79.36% higher than in Southampton, http://tinyurl.com/o 8hg93n Why isn't your Union asking you to strike for fairer North/South Cost of Living Allowances? Your quick to strike for higher London weighting allowance, saying the cost of living in the capital is forcing you to leave the profession. http://tinyurl.com/p mn65vc Here's the hint.. your local Union, the Labour Party and Tom Cobbley et al want you to migrate North.. ,,[/p][/quote]I don't know exactly how many centuries you are behind with this revelation, good buddy, but the cost of living has always been lower up north. I mean ALWAYS. And here's another "secret" you might have missed : it's the same for everyone, not just teachers. I should ring your keyworker tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Charrlee says.. it's the same for everyone, not just teachers I said as much back in October 2013, did you read it?.. much too boring to keep on repeating myself Strike for Lower Taxes for All and Fairer South/North Teachers Cost of Living Allowances. http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10747850 .Head_teacher_calls_ for_general_strike Thank you.. Self employed, my own boss for 36 yrs ,,, Dan Soton
  • Score: 0

9:34am Tue 25 Mar 14

notableedingheart says...

charrlee wrote:
allstar wrote:
I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject,
Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.
Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ?

Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow.

Best thing you can do is clear off.
Absolutely correct. As a senior manager I have many years endeavouring to produce an "A" grade outcome with "C" grade staff. Usually it is this type of staff member who "**** in their own nest" and causes the organisation to fold or under-achieve with their short-sighted self centred mentality.
Some of the comments are clearly from "C" graders who do not understand realities especially realities of the teaching word.
My working life would have been and would be so much easier and more productive if I had had staff of the qualities of the vast majority of Teachers.
Sadly the UK and the rest of the Western word is being dragged down or has been dragged down by short-sighted self serving and self-destructive dunderheads who have lost any understanding of what is required to make a society great.
Keep on with your protest teachers - there are many out there who respect you and support you.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: I have thought long and hard about the subject and have tried to research more about the facts , I wonder if a teacher would be willing to post their current salary and a time table of their weeks work to enable us a better understanding of the subject, Most people are using nicknames so it would be anonymous.[/p][/quote]Nobody knows who you are, so why should they give personal details to you ? Also, you have written some utterly bizarre nonsense on this forum, and have been largely ignored. Any teacher who was daft enough to take a fruitcake like you seriously ought to be handing their notice in tomorrow. Best thing you can do is clear off.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct. As a senior manager I have many years endeavouring to produce an "A" grade outcome with "C" grade staff. Usually it is this type of staff member who "**** in their own nest" and causes the organisation to fold or under-achieve with their short-sighted self centred mentality. Some of the comments are clearly from "C" graders who do not understand realities especially realities of the teaching word. My working life would have been and would be so much easier and more productive if I had had staff of the qualities of the vast majority of Teachers. Sadly the UK and the rest of the Western word is being dragged down or has been dragged down by short-sighted self serving and self-destructive dunderheads who have lost any understanding of what is required to make a society great. Keep on with your protest teachers - there are many out there who respect you and support you. notableedingheart
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