Smoking costs Southampton £75m a year and causes over 1,000 deaths

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THE true cost of tobacco use can be laid bare today after it was revealed smoking sets Southampton back by a massive £75m a year.

The Daily Echo can reveal the eyewatering figure, which includes spending £2m on picking up fag-ends, days after plans were unveiled to stop smokers from lighting up in outdoor children’s play areas.

And it comes amid estimations that more than £81m is spent on cigarettes and tobacco in the city every year, with more than one in five people lighting up.

Civic chiefs say £22.5m in work output is lost every year simply as a result of early deaths related to smoking in the city.

A further £15.9m goes down the drain as a result of workers taking smoking breaks while sick days relating to tobacco account for £13.7m.

The cost of NHS care for those suffering smoking-related ill-health is close to £15m every 12 months while passive smoking accounts for nearly £4m. Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking, while cleaning up cigarette litter costs the taxpayer £1.9m a year.

Daily Echo:

The startling figures were revealed in a report drawn up by Southampton City Council in response to data released by the city’s Joint Strategic Needs Assessment report showing 22.6 per cent of adults in the city smoke – above the national average of 20 per cent.

Civic chiefs commissioned the council’s public health team to carry out the six-month study Making Southampton a Smoke-Free City: Tobacco Control Plan in partnership with medical experts.

It follows the authority signing up to the Local Government Declaration on Tobacco Control, an initiative signed by 50 councils to better protect residents’ health from smoking.

Now civic chiefs are launching an action plan in a major drive to cut the prevalence of smoking, reduce rates among 15- year-olds and lessen the impact of second-hand smoke.

A more troubling statistic still is that 16.6 per cent of pregnant women smoke at the time of delivery compared to the national average of 13.2 per cent.

Council bosses say the sums involved “demonstrate a very high financial burden to the city”.

In the year 2012/2013 there were three fatalities in dwelling fires across Hampshire due to smoking materials, with one of those in Southampton.

Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755.

The Daily Echo has already revealed how new signs will be erected in outdoor children’s play areas as part of the Making Southampton a Smoke-Free City initiative.

But the council’s Cabinet member for health and adult social care, Cllr Dave Shields, said it was unlikely the signs would result in “draconian” enforcement.

Cllr Shields said: “Smoking tobacco is probably the worst drug problem in the country. There are big costs to society that we need to factor in.

“It is not against the law to smoke and people have got rights within that, but we want to protect young people and stop them smoking in the first place. We also want to help people who want to give up to make that step and to protect the environment.

“These statistics are a stark reminder of the problems associated with tobacco. The figures for the whole city are poor but there are places in the city where it is worse than others.”

He added: “Smoking is a social addiction that goes back hundreds of years and we have to do whatever we can.”

Amanda Sandford, research manager for public health charity Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), said: “We really welcome that the city is looking at the smoke-free agenda.

“It’s good that they are looking towards having a tobacco control system in place to help people try to stop smoking and to stop the number of sales to children.”

Packaging bid that failed

Daily Echo:

IT was supposed to be the pioneering project to slash smoking.

But a controversial scheme to impose plain packaging of tobacco products in Australia has failed.

New figures released today reveals the project has not deterred young smokers from taking up the habit, while tobacco sales have rocketed since the introduction of plain packaging.

The illicit trade has also risen dramatically, with black market ‘branded’ packs flooding into the market.

Figures from the Australian tobacco industries show tobacco sales rose by 59 million cigarettes in the first year plain packaging was introduced.

This increase reversed the longterm decline of legal sales volumes in the country since before 2009.

Research conducted by KPMG found that the illicit trade has witnessed a 154 per cent increase of illegal ‘brands’ – some which outsell well-known legal brands.

Figures from the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service show illegal tobacco seizures have more than doubled between 2010/11 and 2012/13 from 82 million cigarettes to 200 million.

Separate studies from the Department of Economics at Zurich University and the University of Saarland failed to find any evidence that plain packaging deterred Australian youngsters aged 14-17.

  • Additional reporting by Maxwell Kusi-Obodum.

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10:31am Tue 25 Mar 14

Might SS says...

....but the tax income to central Governement is ????????????
....but the tax income to central Governement is ???????????? Might SS
  • Score: 23

10:37am Tue 25 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

Might SS wrote:
....but the tax income to central Governement is ????????????
Significantly more than the cost to the NHS.

...and the saving in unpaid pensions?
...and the savings from fewer people with dementia?
...and the savings from unpaid housing benefits?

Smokers:
-create jobs
-pay taxes
-shorten the non-productive phase of their lives.
[quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: ....but the tax income to central Governement is ????????????[/p][/quote]Significantly more than the cost to the NHS. ...and the saving in unpaid pensions? ...and the savings from fewer people with dementia? ...and the savings from unpaid housing benefits? Smokers: -create jobs -pay taxes -shorten the non-productive phase of their lives. From the sidelines
  • Score: 40

10:41am Tue 25 Mar 14

Lestevier26 says...

So non smokers don't take breaks then? What a load of ****! £2million to pick up cigarette butts? Not even a simpleton would believe that lie. What a load of shameless nonsense.
So non smokers don't take breaks then? What a load of ****! £2million to pick up cigarette butts? Not even a simpleton would believe that lie. What a load of shameless nonsense. Lestevier26
  • Score: 28

10:43am Tue 25 Mar 14

Beer Monster says...

Might SS wrote:
....but the tax income to central Governement is ????????????
Not just that, think of the ££££s saved on pensions and benefits to those who die a premature death.

I should know - my Mum passed away five months ago aged 68 of Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, mostly caused by smoking.
[quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: ....but the tax income to central Governement is ????????????[/p][/quote]Not just that, think of the ££££s saved on pensions and benefits to those who die a premature death. I should know - my Mum passed away five months ago aged 68 of Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, mostly caused by smoking. Beer Monster
  • Score: 6

10:50am Tue 25 Mar 14

townieboy says...

From the sidelines wrote:
Might SS wrote: ....but the tax income to central Governement is ????????????
Significantly more than the cost to the NHS. ...and the saving in unpaid pensions? ...and the savings from fewer people with dementia? ...and the savings from unpaid housing benefits? Smokers: -create jobs -pay taxes -shorten the non-productive phase of their lives.
Must agree SMOKE TAX easily covers the cost. Also the country would be skint if it lost the smoke tax.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: ....but the tax income to central Governement is ????????????[/p][/quote]Significantly more than the cost to the NHS. ...and the saving in unpaid pensions? ...and the savings from fewer people with dementia? ...and the savings from unpaid housing benefits? Smokers: -create jobs -pay taxes -shorten the non-productive phase of their lives.[/p][/quote]Must agree SMOKE TAX easily covers the cost. Also the country would be skint if it lost the smoke tax. townieboy
  • Score: 21

10:52am Tue 25 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Both of my parents smoked heavily throughout ther lives, both lived until they were 90 years old, they would probably have made 100 yo if they had quit earlier. It is all a matter of luck, but by not smoking it is obvious you are giving yourself a better chance of living longer and avoiding nasty illnesses, it is your choice.
Both of my parents smoked heavily throughout ther lives, both lived until they were 90 years old, they would probably have made 100 yo if they had quit earlier. It is all a matter of luck, but by not smoking it is obvious you are giving yourself a better chance of living longer and avoiding nasty illnesses, it is your choice. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 21

10:53am Tue 25 Mar 14

Ronnie G says...

Sick days relating to Tobacco account for £13.7m.
Workers taking fag breaks account for £15.9m.
So that's how the Labour Council are accounting for their overspend of council funds.
It's this Labour run council that has demonstrated a very high financial burden to our city.
How would each of the 12 fires that occurred in dwellings, due to smoking materials, cost the council the same amount of £13,755?
Sick days relating to Tobacco account for £13.7m. Workers taking fag breaks account for £15.9m. So that's how the Labour Council are accounting for their overspend of council funds. It's this Labour run council that has demonstrated a very high financial burden to our city. How would each of the 12 fires that occurred in dwellings, due to smoking materials, cost the council the same amount of £13,755? Ronnie G
  • Score: 5

10:56am Tue 25 Mar 14

cliffwalker says...

Lestevier26 wrote:
So non smokers don't take breaks then? What a load of ****! £2million to pick up cigarette butts? Not even a simpleton would believe that lie. What a load of shameless nonsense.
Whether the report is easily accepted will depend largely on whether it is being read by someone anti or pro smoking. However, when you call the report lies and you describe any believer as a simpleton then you need to produce evidence to support your assertion.
[quote][p][bold]Lestevier26[/bold] wrote: So non smokers don't take breaks then? What a load of ****! £2million to pick up cigarette butts? Not even a simpleton would believe that lie. What a load of shameless nonsense.[/p][/quote]Whether the report is easily accepted will depend largely on whether it is being read by someone anti or pro smoking. However, when you call the report lies and you describe any believer as a simpleton then you need to produce evidence to support your assertion. cliffwalker
  • Score: -2

11:27am Tue 25 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

I gave up smoking because the wife didn’t like it. I gave up sharing a bed for the same reason.
I gave up smoking because the wife didn’t like it. I gave up sharing a bed for the same reason. good-gosh
  • Score: 11

11:39am Tue 25 Mar 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

what a load of old cobblers ,really hitting the depths , seems our lot in life these days is to keep the council and government in money while the country is turned into a grey souless wasteland.
what a load of old cobblers ,really hitting the depths , seems our lot in life these days is to keep the council and government in money while the country is turned into a grey souless wasteland. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 10

11:54am Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

I don't smoke but I know that if I could get a Fag break I'd take it so that's really scraping the barrel to say fag breaks cost money.
I know of people who abstained from drink & fags yet died young & were in hospital so what are we going to blame for the cost of their treatment?
£75billion was the tax raised from fags alone 7years ago which £39billion went into the NHS I wonder how much of that was stolen by NHS staff?(watch Panorama) the rest of the tax went straight to the government now just think of how much revenue they get from Alcohol sales?
I don't smoke but I know that if I could get a Fag break I'd take it so that's really scraping the barrel to say fag breaks cost money. I know of people who abstained from drink & fags yet died young & were in hospital so what are we going to blame for the cost of their treatment? £75billion was the tax raised from fags alone 7years ago which £39billion went into the NHS I wonder how much of that was stolen by NHS staff?(watch Panorama) the rest of the tax went straight to the government now just think of how much revenue they get from Alcohol sales? loosehead
  • Score: 17

1:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

wwozzer says...

"Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking"

When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this:

"Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755"

Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m.

Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?
"Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this? wwozzer
  • Score: 13

2:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

sainttappy says...

Smoking kills you. Get over it, stop smoking. If you can't stop, do it where it doesn't effect people who have made the choice to not smoke.
Smoking related diseases has a huge impact on the nhs despite the taxes it generates but more to the point it has a massive impact on the families left without husbands, wives, dads etc. stop being so quick to defend a well known killer and put more effort into convincing yourselves to stop. You're not a hero of the NHS. YOU're all pretty f**king selfish to be honest.
Smoking kills you. Get over it, stop smoking. If you can't stop, do it where it doesn't effect people who have made the choice to not smoke. Smoking related diseases has a huge impact on the nhs despite the taxes it generates but more to the point it has a massive impact on the families left without husbands, wives, dads etc. stop being so quick to defend a well known killer and put more effort into convincing yourselves to stop. You're not a hero of the NHS. YOU're all pretty f**king selfish to be honest. sainttappy
  • Score: -16

2:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

moocowpoorchick says...

Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.
Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs. moocowpoorchick
  • Score: -1

2:53pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Ronnie G says...

wwozzer wrote:
"Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking"

When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this:

"Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755"

Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m.

Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?
This report contains same figures paid out in the union pay restoration deal.
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: "Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?[/p][/quote]This report contains same figures paid out in the union pay restoration deal. Ronnie G
  • Score: 6

2:58pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Ronnie G says...

cliffwalker wrote:
Lestevier26 wrote:
So non smokers don't take breaks then? What a load of ****! £2million to pick up cigarette butts? Not even a simpleton would believe that lie. What a load of shameless nonsense.
Whether the report is easily accepted will depend largely on whether it is being read by someone anti or pro smoking. However, when you call the report lies and you describe any believer as a simpleton then you need to produce evidence to support your assertion.
I think it's the authors of this report that are hoping we are all simpletons.
[quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lestevier26[/bold] wrote: So non smokers don't take breaks then? What a load of ****! £2million to pick up cigarette butts? Not even a simpleton would believe that lie. What a load of shameless nonsense.[/p][/quote]Whether the report is easily accepted will depend largely on whether it is being read by someone anti or pro smoking. However, when you call the report lies and you describe any believer as a simpleton then you need to produce evidence to support your assertion.[/p][/quote]I think it's the authors of this report that are hoping we are all simpletons. Ronnie G
  • Score: 8

3:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

miltonarcher says...

Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit. miltonarcher
  • Score: -9

3:19pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

moocowpoorchick wrote:
Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.
You of course (like everyone else) do not know if there is no downside to ecigs... I'm pretty sure at some point cigarettes were advertised as being good for you.

Now I'm sure (and I hope) you are right, but I wouldn't be so smug about those ecigs just yet...

Plus, people smoking those things look a bit silly if you ask me... Why not just quit?
[quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.[/p][/quote]You of course (like everyone else) do not know if there is no downside to ecigs... I'm pretty sure at some point cigarettes were advertised as being good for you. Now I'm sure (and I hope) you are right, but I wouldn't be so smug about those ecigs just yet... Plus, people smoking those things look a bit silly if you ask me... Why not just quit? CivicCentered
  • Score: -5

3:21pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
...I'm sure they would consider whatever your choice of vice is to also be pointless... Come on now, own up!
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]...I'm sure they would consider whatever your choice of vice is to also be pointless... Come on now, own up! CivicCentered
  • Score: 4

3:33pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

moocowpoorchick wrote:
Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.
The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.
[quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.[/p][/quote]The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar. loosehead
  • Score: -4

3:33pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

moocowpoorchick wrote:
Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.
The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.
[quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.[/p][/quote]The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar. loosehead
  • Score: -1

3:41pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor?
I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice.
In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing?
Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects.
As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension. loosehead
  • Score: 4

3:42pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

wwozzer wrote:
"Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking"

When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this:

"Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755"

Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m.

Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?
Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then?
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: "Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then? loosehead
  • Score: 4

3:42pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

wwozzer wrote:
"Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking"

When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this:

"Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755"

Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m.

Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?
Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then?
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: "Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then? loosehead
  • Score: 1

3:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Bob Barnes says...

good-gosh wrote:
I gave up smoking because the wife didn’t like it. I gave up sharing a bed for the same reason.
I LIKE YOUR COMMENT
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I gave up smoking because the wife didn’t like it. I gave up sharing a bed for the same reason.[/p][/quote]I LIKE YOUR COMMENT Bob Barnes
  • Score: 3

4:00pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong...

plus we don't live in a hotter country...

and I give up with the rest of your post.

Thanks for joining in though...
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though... CivicCentered
  • Score: -2

4:01pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

loosehead wrote:
wwozzer wrote: "Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?
Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then?
no. nothing...
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: "Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then?[/p][/quote]no. nothing... CivicCentered
  • Score: -2

4:04pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
wwozzer wrote: "Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?
Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then?
no. nothing...
so where are the figures for smoking joint related fires? or do all fires come under fag fires?
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: "Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then?[/p][/quote]no. nothing...[/p][/quote]so where are the figures for smoking joint related fires? or do all fires come under fag fires? loosehead
  • Score: 5

4:06pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong...

plus we don't live in a hotter country...

and I give up with the rest of your post.

Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal. loosehead
  • Score: 3

4:06pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong...

plus we don't live in a hotter country...

and I give up with the rest of your post.

Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal. loosehead
  • Score: 3

4:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

sainttappy wrote:
Smoking kills you. Get over it, stop smoking. If you can't stop, do it where it doesn't effect people who have made the choice to not smoke.
Smoking related diseases has a huge impact on the nhs despite the taxes it generates but more to the point it has a massive impact on the families left without husbands, wives, dads etc. stop being so quick to defend a well known killer and put more effort into convincing yourselves to stop. You're not a hero of the NHS. YOU're all pretty f**king selfish to be honest.
Well, saint flappy, you have completely failed to understand the economic argument that was being made by this piece and the responses.

As they say, stay silent and be thought a fool, speak and remove all doubt.
[quote][p][bold]sainttappy[/bold] wrote: Smoking kills you. Get over it, stop smoking. If you can't stop, do it where it doesn't effect people who have made the choice to not smoke. Smoking related diseases has a huge impact on the nhs despite the taxes it generates but more to the point it has a massive impact on the families left without husbands, wives, dads etc. stop being so quick to defend a well known killer and put more effort into convincing yourselves to stop. You're not a hero of the NHS. YOU're all pretty f**king selfish to be honest.[/p][/quote]Well, saint flappy, you have completely failed to understand the economic argument that was being made by this piece and the responses. As they say, stay silent and be thought a fool, speak and remove all doubt. From the sidelines
  • Score: 3

4:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
wwozzer wrote: "Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?
Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then?
no. nothing...
so where are the figures for smoking joint related fires? or do all fires come under fag fires?
I don't know. I do know that there is quite a difference between a smoking implement and a chip pan though...
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: "Every year, £2.8m is spent tackling domestic fires in Southampton caused by smoking" When I read that I instinctively thought what a load of rubbish. Then I kept reading and saw this: "Each of the 12 fires in Southampton that occurred due to smoking materials cost society £13,755" Which adds up to £165.060. £2,634.940.00 or roughly 94% adrift! So it was nonsense and it's fairly safe to say that based on this whopper the rest of the report is also probably 94% adrift, making the actual cost to the city 4.5m. Jeez, and they spent 6 months coming up with this?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with chip pans or idiots putting curtains inside lights then?[/p][/quote]no. nothing...[/p][/quote]so where are the figures for smoking joint related fires? or do all fires come under fag fires?[/p][/quote]I don't know. I do know that there is quite a difference between a smoking implement and a chip pan though... CivicCentered
  • Score: 1

4:11pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me... CivicCentered
  • Score: -2

4:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's loosehead
  • Score: 1

4:18pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's[/p][/quote]Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes.... CivicCentered
  • Score: -2

4:20pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....
You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's[/p][/quote]Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....[/p][/quote]You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election. loosehead
  • Score: 2

4:22pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....
You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.
So I can count on your vote then..?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's[/p][/quote]Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....[/p][/quote]You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.[/p][/quote]So I can count on your vote then..? CivicCentered
  • Score: -1

4:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor?
I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice.
In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing?
Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects.
As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
You have been passive smoking all of your life, it may be just as effective as having a drag or two hundred. What next Tsetse flies?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]You have been passive smoking all of your life, it may be just as effective as having a drag or two hundred. What next Tsetse flies? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

4:36pm Tue 25 Mar 14

miltonarcher says...

CivicCentered wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
...I'm sure they would consider whatever your choice of vice is to also be pointless... Come on now, own up!
Debating with the addicts is pointless, not the habit, that is way worse than just pointless. My vice is Vino Della Casa, although not to excess. More medicinal if you get my drift. Abstinence on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Actually, to be honest, I have always felt sorry for those addicted to fags. Seeing them huddled outside puffing away. And at airports, sitting in the departure lounge knowing they can’t get a fix for the duration of the flight, pale and sweating. Then when they reach their destination, gagging for a smoke, they have to wait for their luggage before rushing outside and lighting up. Then, shortly after, cough, cough, cough. Quite funny to observe and yes rather sad.
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]...I'm sure they would consider whatever your choice of vice is to also be pointless... Come on now, own up![/p][/quote]Debating with the addicts is pointless, not the habit, that is way worse than just pointless. My vice is Vino Della Casa, although not to excess. More medicinal if you get my drift. Abstinence on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Actually, to be honest, I have always felt sorry for those addicted to fags. Seeing them huddled outside puffing away. And at airports, sitting in the departure lounge knowing they can’t get a fix for the duration of the flight, pale and sweating. Then when they reach their destination, gagging for a smoke, they have to wait for their luggage before rushing outside and lighting up. Then, shortly after, cough, cough, cough. Quite funny to observe and yes rather sad. miltonarcher
  • Score: 1

4:39pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

miltonarcher wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
...I'm sure they would consider whatever your choice of vice is to also be pointless... Come on now, own up!
Debating with the addicts is pointless, not the habit, that is way worse than just pointless. My vice is Vino Della Casa, although not to excess. More medicinal if you get my drift. Abstinence on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Actually, to be honest, I have always felt sorry for those addicted to fags. Seeing them huddled outside puffing away. And at airports, sitting in the departure lounge knowing they can’t get a fix for the duration of the flight, pale and sweating. Then when they reach their destination, gagging for a smoke, they have to wait for their luggage before rushing outside and lighting up. Then, shortly after, cough, cough, cough. Quite funny to observe and yes rather sad.
Well now I feel sheepish...

Excellent retort sir. I salute you!
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]...I'm sure they would consider whatever your choice of vice is to also be pointless... Come on now, own up![/p][/quote]Debating with the addicts is pointless, not the habit, that is way worse than just pointless. My vice is Vino Della Casa, although not to excess. More medicinal if you get my drift. Abstinence on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Actually, to be honest, I have always felt sorry for those addicted to fags. Seeing them huddled outside puffing away. And at airports, sitting in the departure lounge knowing they can’t get a fix for the duration of the flight, pale and sweating. Then when they reach their destination, gagging for a smoke, they have to wait for their luggage before rushing outside and lighting up. Then, shortly after, cough, cough, cough. Quite funny to observe and yes rather sad.[/p][/quote]Well now I feel sheepish... Excellent retort sir. I salute you! CivicCentered
  • Score: -1

4:50pm Tue 25 Mar 14

beiroot says...

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone !" Any takers?
"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone !" Any takers? beiroot
  • Score: 3

5:08pm Tue 25 Mar 14

vaperfan says...

Ecigs are the way forward, whilst we dont know the "longterm" effects are we do know they are far less harmful than conventional tobacco.
Ingredients used are Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, food flavourings, Nicotine and a small amount of distilled water.
all these products are pharmaceutical grade and used in other products currently on the market like toothpaste, cakes/ creams etc.
(Nicotine is a product found in tomatoes aubergines and a number of other vegatables).
The nicotine per ml is far less than in a pack of cigarettes anything up to 36mg generally 18mg is classed as the norm.
plenty of research if you want it..

more worrying is the eu have introduced legislation to ban menthol flavour tobacco, cigarettes to be sold in nothing less than packs of 20 (banning the 10 pack) and loose tobacco only to be sold in minimum 30 gram packs all in the name of helping people quit so lets sell them in larger quantities.
this has already been set for 2016 thanks to rapporteur linda Mcavan
Ecigs are the way forward, whilst we dont know the "longterm" effects are we do know they are far less harmful than conventional tobacco. Ingredients used are Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, food flavourings, Nicotine and a small amount of distilled water. all these products are pharmaceutical grade and used in other products currently on the market like toothpaste, cakes/ creams etc. (Nicotine is a product found in tomatoes aubergines and a number of other vegatables). The nicotine per ml is far less than in a pack of cigarettes anything up to 36mg generally 18mg is classed as the norm. plenty of research if you want it.. more worrying is the eu have introduced legislation to ban menthol flavour tobacco, cigarettes to be sold in nothing less than packs of 20 (banning the 10 pack) and loose tobacco only to be sold in minimum 30 gram packs all in the name of helping people quit so lets sell them in larger quantities. this has already been set for 2016 thanks to rapporteur linda Mcavan vaperfan
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Ronnie G wrote:
Sick days relating to Tobacco account for £13.7m.
Workers taking fag breaks account for £15.9m.
So that's how the Labour Council are accounting for their overspend of council funds.
It's this Labour run council that has demonstrated a very high financial burden to our city.
How would each of the 12 fires that occurred in dwellings, due to smoking materials, cost the council the same amount of £13,755?
Even for you thats pretty stupid
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: Sick days relating to Tobacco account for £13.7m. Workers taking fag breaks account for £15.9m. So that's how the Labour Council are accounting for their overspend of council funds. It's this Labour run council that has demonstrated a very high financial burden to our city. How would each of the 12 fires that occurred in dwellings, due to smoking materials, cost the council the same amount of £13,755?[/p][/quote]Even for you thats pretty stupid Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

5:25pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....
You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.
Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view.
.
Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old.
/
The next thing you will want is his name .....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's[/p][/quote]Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....[/p][/quote]You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.[/p][/quote]Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name ..... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

6:13pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....
You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.
Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view.
.
Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old.
/
The next thing you will want is his name .....
if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply.
Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate?
You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate?
I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man,
As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be .
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's[/p][/quote]Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....[/p][/quote]You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.[/p][/quote]Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name .....[/p][/quote]if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply. Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate? You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate? I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man, As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be . loosehead
  • Score: -1

6:34pm Tue 25 Mar 14

loosehead says...

This shows you exactly how pathetic our Labour council are,spend money telling us rubbish but shutting an air quality monitoring station?
This shows you exactly how pathetic our Labour council are,spend money telling us rubbish but shutting an air quality monitoring station? loosehead
  • Score: 1

7:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

IronLady2010 says...

Perhaps someone can advise how the Cancer related deaths are accurate statistics.

Is it just based on a cancer patient being a smoker and automatically falls into that category?

It's difficult sometimes to believe the research as it constantly changes, check this article for example..

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/life-style/
health-and-families/
health-news/smokers-
lungs-used-in-half-o
f-transplants-910164
7.html

Sometimes I wonder if we're just being given false information constantly regarding how we choose to live our lives.
Perhaps someone can advise how the Cancer related deaths are accurate statistics. Is it just based on a cancer patient being a smoker and automatically falls into that category? It's difficult sometimes to believe the research as it constantly changes, check this article for example.. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/smokers- lungs-used-in-half-o f-transplants-910164 7.html Sometimes I wonder if we're just being given false information constantly regarding how we choose to live our lives. IronLady2010
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

IronLady2010 says...

I would also add to the above those chucking dog ends on the floor should be fined.

Infact I'd be inclined to say bring back smoking rooms in establishments as I wouldn't be forced to have to walk past an entrance to the smell of tobacco. WestQuay stinks!
I would also add to the above those chucking dog ends on the floor should be fined. Infact I'd be inclined to say bring back smoking rooms in establishments as I wouldn't be forced to have to walk past an entrance to the smell of tobacco. WestQuay stinks! IronLady2010
  • Score: -1

8:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cmth40 says...

sainttappy wrote:
Smoking kills you. Get over it, stop smoking. If you can't stop, do it where it doesn't effect people who have made the choice to not smoke.
Smoking related diseases has a huge impact on the nhs despite the taxes it generates but more to the point it has a massive impact on the families left without husbands, wives, dads etc. stop being so quick to defend a well known killer and put more effort into convincing yourselves to stop. You're not a hero of the NHS. YOU're all pretty f**king selfish to be honest.
and your a brainwashed dictator just like all others that think they can have their rights but smokers cant you stupid git people die full stop and heart attcks/strokes /breathing problems are not just for smokers millions die from these and they never smoke like cancer its in the genes and will bloody kill you wether you smoke or not get a bloody live
[quote][p][bold]sainttappy[/bold] wrote: Smoking kills you. Get over it, stop smoking. If you can't stop, do it where it doesn't effect people who have made the choice to not smoke. Smoking related diseases has a huge impact on the nhs despite the taxes it generates but more to the point it has a massive impact on the families left without husbands, wives, dads etc. stop being so quick to defend a well known killer and put more effort into convincing yourselves to stop. You're not a hero of the NHS. YOU're all pretty f**king selfish to be honest.[/p][/quote]and your a brainwashed dictator just like all others that think they can have their rights but smokers cant you stupid git people die full stop and heart attcks/strokes /breathing problems are not just for smokers millions die from these and they never smoke like cancer its in the genes and will bloody kill you wether you smoke or not get a bloody live cmth40
  • Score: -1

1:37am Wed 26 Mar 14

IronLady2010 says...

cmth40 wrote:
sainttappy wrote:
Smoking kills you. Get over it, stop smoking. If you can't stop, do it where it doesn't effect people who have made the choice to not smoke.
Smoking related diseases has a huge impact on the nhs despite the taxes it generates but more to the point it has a massive impact on the families left without husbands, wives, dads etc. stop being so quick to defend a well known killer and put more effort into convincing yourselves to stop. You're not a hero of the NHS. YOU're all pretty f**king selfish to be honest.
and your a brainwashed dictator just like all others that think they can have their rights but smokers cant you stupid git people die full stop and heart attcks/strokes /breathing problems are not just for smokers millions die from these and they never smoke like cancer its in the genes and will bloody kill you wether you smoke or not get a bloody live
Smoking doesn't kill you. It has been so called proven to harm you and cause Cancer.

Yet Cancer has been traced back before Tobacco.

I've read numerous reports that smoking kills etc and also reports on the positive side.

The question is what do we do? Ban fags, ban cars, ban alcohol?

The main thing is live life to it's fullest, be happy and don't stress over where life will take you.
[quote][p][bold]cmth40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sainttappy[/bold] wrote: Smoking kills you. Get over it, stop smoking. If you can't stop, do it where it doesn't effect people who have made the choice to not smoke. Smoking related diseases has a huge impact on the nhs despite the taxes it generates but more to the point it has a massive impact on the families left without husbands, wives, dads etc. stop being so quick to defend a well known killer and put more effort into convincing yourselves to stop. You're not a hero of the NHS. YOU're all pretty f**king selfish to be honest.[/p][/quote]and your a brainwashed dictator just like all others that think they can have their rights but smokers cant you stupid git people die full stop and heart attcks/strokes /breathing problems are not just for smokers millions die from these and they never smoke like cancer its in the genes and will bloody kill you wether you smoke or not get a bloody live[/p][/quote]Smoking doesn't kill you. It has been so called proven to harm you and cause Cancer. Yet Cancer has been traced back before Tobacco. I've read numerous reports that smoking kills etc and also reports on the positive side. The question is what do we do? Ban fags, ban cars, ban alcohol? The main thing is live life to it's fullest, be happy and don't stress over where life will take you. IronLady2010
  • Score: -1

8:49am Wed 26 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....
You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.
Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name .....
if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply. Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate? You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate? I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man, As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be .
My comments may have been sarcastic, but that doesnt make yours any less ridiculous...
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's[/p][/quote]Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....[/p][/quote]You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.[/p][/quote]Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name .....[/p][/quote]if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply. Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate? You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate? I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man, As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be .[/p][/quote]My comments may have been sarcastic, but that doesnt make yours any less ridiculous... CivicCentered
  • Score: 0

9:28am Wed 26 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

"Civic chiefs commissioned the council’s public health team to carry out the six-month study Making Southampton a Smoke-Free City: Tobacco Control Plan in partnership with medical experts. "
And that cost? If they just stuck to doing the basic stuff, lighting the streets, keeping plenty of public loos open and clean, the parks tidy and pleasant but oh no, must be nannying and employing "public health teams". LOOK HOW IMPORTANT WE ARE. Well you're not important. We're stuck with you and we have to pay too much tax for you. Get it?
"Civic chiefs commissioned the council’s public health team to carry out the six-month study Making Southampton a Smoke-Free City: Tobacco Control Plan in partnership with medical experts. " And that cost? If they just stuck to doing the basic stuff, lighting the streets, keeping plenty of public loos open and clean, the parks tidy and pleasant but oh no, must be nannying and employing "public health teams". LOOK HOW IMPORTANT WE ARE. Well you're not important. We're stuck with you and we have to pay too much tax for you. Get it? Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

11:36am Wed 26 Mar 14

loosehead says...

CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....
You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.
Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name .....
if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply. Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate? You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate? I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man, As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be .
My comments may have been sarcastic, but that doesnt make yours any less ridiculous...
Really? I've worked for 25 years making cigarettes & I've seen the Tar in the ovens after testing them so I definitely wouldn't smoke but it's not illegal & a huge amount of revenue is obtained by the government in tax.
This Labour council are scrapping an air monitoring station as they haven't got the money to run it yet spend money on this research? Why?
If by now people in this country don't know the downsides of smoking they must be blind,deaf & dumb.
The claims on fires is rather wrong as most fires are caused by chip pans & fag related fires aren't caused by the fags lighting themselves & falling onto material to start a fire it's started by the idiots who don't put out the fags before flicking them away.
I tried to tell you of how at one period Doctors were prescribing fags & you ridiculed me?
As long as it's legal why was this money wasted on this so called research at a time when every penny counts?
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's[/p][/quote]Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....[/p][/quote]You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.[/p][/quote]Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name .....[/p][/quote]if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply. Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate? You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate? I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man, As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be .[/p][/quote]My comments may have been sarcastic, but that doesnt make yours any less ridiculous...[/p][/quote]Really? I've worked for 25 years making cigarettes & I've seen the Tar in the ovens after testing them so I definitely wouldn't smoke but it's not illegal & a huge amount of revenue is obtained by the government in tax. This Labour council are scrapping an air monitoring station as they haven't got the money to run it yet spend money on this research? Why? If by now people in this country don't know the downsides of smoking they must be blind,deaf & dumb. The claims on fires is rather wrong as most fires are caused by chip pans & fag related fires aren't caused by the fags lighting themselves & falling onto material to start a fire it's started by the idiots who don't put out the fags before flicking them away. I tried to tell you of how at one period Doctors were prescribing fags & you ridiculed me? As long as it's legal why was this money wasted on this so called research at a time when every penny counts? loosehead
  • Score: -1

11:41am Wed 26 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Wonder what proportion of the fires were in public housing? it does seem very flammable. Can't think why.
Wonder what proportion of the fires were in public housing? it does seem very flammable. Can't think why. Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

11:44am Wed 26 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Wonder what proportion of the fires were in public housing? it does seem very flammable. Can't think why.
Dai did the say if it was fags or joints?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Wonder what proportion of the fires were in public housing? it does seem very flammable. Can't think why.[/p][/quote]Dai did the say if it was fags or joints? loosehead
  • Score: 0

11:44am Wed 26 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Wonder what proportion of the fires were in public housing? it does seem very flammable. Can't think why.
Dai did the say if it was fags or joints?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Wonder what proportion of the fires were in public housing? it does seem very flammable. Can't think why.[/p][/quote]Dai did the say if it was fags or joints? loosehead
  • Score: 0

1:02pm Wed 26 Mar 14

waltons11 says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Exactly - it is an addiction, if it were that easy to stop there probably wouldn't be any smokers. And if that were the case the surveys would be about drinkers or meat eaters or people who exercise, there will always be something deemed to be bad for you. Everything in moderation is the key. :)
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Exactly - it is an addiction, if it were that easy to stop there probably wouldn't be any smokers. And if that were the case the surveys would be about drinkers or meat eaters or people who exercise, there will always be something deemed to be bad for you. Everything in moderation is the key. :) waltons11
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Eyes begin to rotate in opposite directions, small moustache glows bright green, chews carpet, eviscerates dachshund, invades Czechoslovakia.
Oh Mein Fuhrer, was ist mit Ihr zu tun..
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Eyes begin to rotate in opposite directions, small moustache glows bright green, chews carpet, eviscerates dachshund, invades Czechoslovakia. Oh Mein Fuhrer, was ist mit Ihr zu tun.. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Wed 26 Mar 14

CivicCentered says...

loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....
You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.
Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name .....
if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply. Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate? You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate? I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man, As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be .
My comments may have been sarcastic, but that doesnt make yours any less ridiculous...
Really? I've worked for 25 years making cigarettes & I've seen the Tar in the ovens after testing them so I definitely wouldn't smoke but it's not illegal & a huge amount of revenue is obtained by the government in tax. This Labour council are scrapping an air monitoring station as they haven't got the money to run it yet spend money on this research? Why? If by now people in this country don't know the downsides of smoking they must be blind,deaf & dumb. The claims on fires is rather wrong as most fires are caused by chip pans & fag related fires aren't caused by the fags lighting themselves & falling onto material to start a fire it's started by the idiots who don't put out the fags before flicking them away. I tried to tell you of how at one period Doctors were prescribing fags & you ridiculed me? As long as it's legal why was this money wasted on this so called research at a time when every penny counts?
Sorry...

I was ridiculing the fact that you seemed to agree with the doctors prescription. Whilst I'm sure the doctor was acting on the best information that he/she had at that time, surely it is obvious to anyone in this day and age that cigarettes are not suitable to deal with nerves...

You also rambled a bti about chip pans which are completely irrelavent, but don't let that stop you...

...and you also have some strange obsession with joints...

but still, carry on....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's[/p][/quote]Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....[/p][/quote]You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.[/p][/quote]Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name .....[/p][/quote]if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply. Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate? You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate? I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man, As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be .[/p][/quote]My comments may have been sarcastic, but that doesnt make yours any less ridiculous...[/p][/quote]Really? I've worked for 25 years making cigarettes & I've seen the Tar in the ovens after testing them so I definitely wouldn't smoke but it's not illegal & a huge amount of revenue is obtained by the government in tax. This Labour council are scrapping an air monitoring station as they haven't got the money to run it yet spend money on this research? Why? If by now people in this country don't know the downsides of smoking they must be blind,deaf & dumb. The claims on fires is rather wrong as most fires are caused by chip pans & fag related fires aren't caused by the fags lighting themselves & falling onto material to start a fire it's started by the idiots who don't put out the fags before flicking them away. I tried to tell you of how at one period Doctors were prescribing fags & you ridiculed me? As long as it's legal why was this money wasted on this so called research at a time when every penny counts?[/p][/quote]Sorry... I was ridiculing the fact that you seemed to agree with the doctors prescription. Whilst I'm sure the doctor was acting on the best information that he/she had at that time, surely it is obvious to anyone in this day and age that cigarettes are not suitable to deal with nerves... You also rambled a bti about chip pans which are completely irrelavent, but don't let that stop you... ...and you also have some strange obsession with joints... but still, carry on.... CivicCentered
  • Score: -1

4:07pm Wed 26 Mar 14

loosehead says...

CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
CivicCentered wrote:
loosehead wrote:
miltonarcher wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.
Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.
Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...
have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.
I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...
Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's
Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....
You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.
Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name .....
if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply. Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate? You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate? I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man, As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be .
My comments may have been sarcastic, but that doesnt make yours any less ridiculous...
Really? I've worked for 25 years making cigarettes & I've seen the Tar in the ovens after testing them so I definitely wouldn't smoke but it's not illegal & a huge amount of revenue is obtained by the government in tax. This Labour council are scrapping an air monitoring station as they haven't got the money to run it yet spend money on this research? Why? If by now people in this country don't know the downsides of smoking they must be blind,deaf & dumb. The claims on fires is rather wrong as most fires are caused by chip pans & fag related fires aren't caused by the fags lighting themselves & falling onto material to start a fire it's started by the idiots who don't put out the fags before flicking them away. I tried to tell you of how at one period Doctors were prescribing fags & you ridiculed me? As long as it's legal why was this money wasted on this so called research at a time when every penny counts?
Sorry...

I was ridiculing the fact that you seemed to agree with the doctors prescription. Whilst I'm sure the doctor was acting on the best information that he/she had at that time, surely it is obvious to anyone in this day and age that cigarettes are not suitable to deal with nerves...

You also rambled a bti about chip pans which are completely irrelavent, but don't let that stop you...

...and you also have some strange obsession with joints...

but still, carry on....
exactly where did I say I agreed with the doctor? I wasn't alive then & I was a twin & my sister died after birth,Older sister no mouth had a hole younger sister virtually blind I have an eye defect which all could be down to the fact my mum smoked through pregnancy but no absolute proof.
[quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CivicCentered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pointless debating this with smokers. They are addicts and will spout any sort of nonsense to try and justify their disgusting habit.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm a non smoker & always will be.In the war my mum was prescribed fags for her nerves so was it wrong of her doctor? could we have sued her doctor? I have to have air conditioning on in a smoking environment or I have to leave but that's my choice. In hotter countries smokers are less likely to get Malaria than non smokers as Mosquitoes don't like to bite them as the nicotine kills them so is it a good thing? Whilst it's totally legal to smoke I say live & let live yet I've heard people say "ban fags legalise cannabis" then roll a joint with tobacco as well as cannabis? Also at BAT research was done on todays cannabis & it was found to have more cancerous products in it than fags & beer together & side effects. As it was BAT was researching a tar free fag but hey let a load of third world workers put together a E fag & let the profits roll that's good news for my pension.[/p][/quote]Yes that doctor (what 70 or so years ago!) was probably wrong... plus we don't live in a hotter country... and I give up with the rest of your post. Thanks for joining in though...[/p][/quote]have you just heard the long term weather prediction for the UK? I'm not Pro fags but I like to put both sides of the story forward & I can't believe the venom against people doing nothing illegal.[/p][/quote]I haven't I'm afraid... I must have missed the news stories about Malaria coming to our shores. Please do educate me...[/p][/quote]Warmer wetter winters & hotter summers, Huge rise in Mosquito attacks in Tanners brook. you only need one Malaria carrying mosquito to reach these shores & we've had it as those types of weather are perfect for breeding mosquito's[/p][/quote]Well thank god I don't live in Tanners Brook then... Best get those doctors handing out medicinal cigarettes....[/p][/quote]You are a sarcastic person & if you can only come out with comments like that I guess you must be a Labour politician & it's this problem that should be stubbed out at the next local election.[/p][/quote]Do you call everyone a Labour politician because they dont happen to agree with you sad point of view. . Why dont you grow up a little and have a debate as an adult as opposed to a 10 year old. / The next thing you will want is his name .....[/p][/quote]if you'd read the other posters comments they were being sarcastic hence my reply. Grow up & have a debate? really coming from you that's rich,When have you ever tried to have more than a one sided debate? You slag people off call them names ask Ronnie if you have a debate? I can't make out if you're a frustrated woman or a little person trying to act the big man, As a ten year old I would be more adult & a better person than you could ever be .[/p][/quote]My comments may have been sarcastic, but that doesnt make yours any less ridiculous...[/p][/quote]Really? I've worked for 25 years making cigarettes & I've seen the Tar in the ovens after testing them so I definitely wouldn't smoke but it's not illegal & a huge amount of revenue is obtained by the government in tax. This Labour council are scrapping an air monitoring station as they haven't got the money to run it yet spend money on this research? Why? If by now people in this country don't know the downsides of smoking they must be blind,deaf & dumb. The claims on fires is rather wrong as most fires are caused by chip pans & fag related fires aren't caused by the fags lighting themselves & falling onto material to start a fire it's started by the idiots who don't put out the fags before flicking them away. I tried to tell you of how at one period Doctors were prescribing fags & you ridiculed me? As long as it's legal why was this money wasted on this so called research at a time when every penny counts?[/p][/quote]Sorry... I was ridiculing the fact that you seemed to agree with the doctors prescription. Whilst I'm sure the doctor was acting on the best information that he/she had at that time, surely it is obvious to anyone in this day and age that cigarettes are not suitable to deal with nerves... You also rambled a bti about chip pans which are completely irrelavent, but don't let that stop you... ...and you also have some strange obsession with joints... but still, carry on....[/p][/quote]exactly where did I say I agreed with the doctor? I wasn't alive then & I was a twin & my sister died after birth,Older sister no mouth had a hole younger sister virtually blind I have an eye defect which all could be down to the fact my mum smoked through pregnancy but no absolute proof. loosehead
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9:39am Thu 27 Mar 14

moocowpoorchick says...

loosehead wrote:
moocowpoorchick wrote:
Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.
The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.
And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.[/p][/quote]The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.[/p][/quote]And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine. moocowpoorchick
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11:52am Thu 27 Mar 14

loosehead says...

moocowpoorchick wrote:
loosehead wrote:
moocowpoorchick wrote:
Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.
The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.
And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine.
Why do I need to look up anything I made the B==dy things.
[quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.[/p][/quote]The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.[/p][/quote]And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine.[/p][/quote]Why do I need to look up anything I made the B==dy things. loosehead
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11:53am Thu 27 Mar 14

loosehead says...

moocowpoorchick wrote:
loosehead wrote:
moocowpoorchick wrote:
Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.
The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.
And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine.
sorry about my last post but nicotine is the addictive element.
[quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.[/p][/quote]The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.[/p][/quote]And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine.[/p][/quote]sorry about my last post but nicotine is the addictive element. loosehead
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3:36pm Sat 29 Mar 14

moocowpoorchick says...

loosehead wrote:
moocowpoorchick wrote:
loosehead wrote:
moocowpoorchick wrote:
Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.
The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.
And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine.
sorry about my last post but nicotine is the addictive element.
:) Thats ok :) I appreciate that nicotine is the addictive substance but nocotine is not dangerous it is all the other substances in tobacco and the burning of the tobacco which is the biggest issue. In fact sudies are starting to point towards the MAOI's in the cigarettes which is the addictive properties, if it was just the nicotine why are there not hundreds of thousands of people addicted to the gum and sprays etc?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.[/p][/quote]The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.[/p][/quote]And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine.[/p][/quote]sorry about my last post but nicotine is the addictive element.[/p][/quote]:) Thats ok :) I appreciate that nicotine is the addictive substance but nocotine is not dangerous it is all the other substances in tobacco and the burning of the tobacco which is the biggest issue. In fact sudies are starting to point towards the MAOI's in the cigarettes which is the addictive properties, if it was just the nicotine why are there not hundreds of thousands of people addicted to the gum and sprays etc? moocowpoorchick
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5:35pm Sat 29 Mar 14

loosehead says...

moocowpoorchick wrote:
loosehead wrote:
moocowpoorchick wrote:
loosehead wrote:
moocowpoorchick wrote:
Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.
The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.
And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine.
sorry about my last post but nicotine is the addictive element.
:) Thats ok :) I appreciate that nicotine is the addictive substance but nocotine is not dangerous it is all the other substances in tobacco and the burning of the tobacco which is the biggest issue. In fact sudies are starting to point towards the MAOI's in the cigarettes which is the addictive properties, if it was just the nicotine why are there not hundreds of thousands of people addicted to the gum and sprays etc?
At BAT the research department were working on tar free fags way before the EU's decision which has lost this city jobs & now with E cigarettes those jobs are firmly in the third world.
[quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: Ecigs are the way to go, there is a new place on london road, been a year smoke free with ecigs saved at least £2000 in that time, I dont care what the government say there is no downside to ecigs.[/p][/quote]The nicotine level on fags was 10 which the EU said had to go down to 8 now E cigarettes have a level 13 nicotine rating the difference is you don't smoke in the tar.[/p][/quote]And? Nicotine isnt bad for you, tar and the other 4000 chemicals are! Look up professor David Nutt and his views on nicotine.[/p][/quote]sorry about my last post but nicotine is the addictive element.[/p][/quote]:) Thats ok :) I appreciate that nicotine is the addictive substance but nocotine is not dangerous it is all the other substances in tobacco and the burning of the tobacco which is the biggest issue. In fact sudies are starting to point towards the MAOI's in the cigarettes which is the addictive properties, if it was just the nicotine why are there not hundreds of thousands of people addicted to the gum and sprays etc?[/p][/quote]At BAT the research department were working on tar free fags way before the EU's decision which has lost this city jobs & now with E cigarettes those jobs are firmly in the third world. loosehead
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8:53pm Sat 29 Mar 14

moocowpoorchick says...

Ok the jobs front is very sad however the tobacco industry has had years to sort this issue out they have known what the health issues are for decades and have been researching smoke free alternatives for at least 10 years that I know of so probably longer in reality.BAT and the gov have missed a huge trick with ecigs which frankly i find amusing that their greed has blinded them to the first viable alternative to smoking, so please excuse my candor with my less than remorseful response. Ultimately though BAT had little intention of keeping anything in the UK anyway as the market is no longer here, the growth industry is in asia for tobacco use.
Ok the jobs front is very sad however the tobacco industry has had years to sort this issue out they have known what the health issues are for decades and have been researching smoke free alternatives for at least 10 years that I know of so probably longer in reality.BAT and the gov have missed a huge trick with ecigs which frankly i find amusing that their greed has blinded them to the first viable alternative to smoking, so please excuse my candor with my less than remorseful response. Ultimately though BAT had little intention of keeping anything in the UK anyway as the market is no longer here, the growth industry is in asia for tobacco use. moocowpoorchick
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9:27pm Sat 29 Mar 14

loosehead says...

moocowpoorchick wrote:
Ok the jobs front is very sad however the tobacco industry has had years to sort this issue out they have known what the health issues are for decades and have been researching smoke free alternatives for at least 10 years that I know of so probably longer in reality.BAT and the gov have missed a huge trick with ecigs which frankly i find amusing that their greed has blinded them to the first viable alternative to smoking, so please excuse my candor with my less than remorseful response. Ultimately though BAT had little intention of keeping anything in the UK anyway as the market is no longer here, the growth industry is in asia for tobacco use.
BAT went to Tony Blair to ask him as with Germany & Poland we would be able to export high tar fags so in reality they were looking to stay here but Blair said NO.
Now BAT has bought up a few of these ecigarette companies & is reaping the rewards as is my pension fund .,
[quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: Ok the jobs front is very sad however the tobacco industry has had years to sort this issue out they have known what the health issues are for decades and have been researching smoke free alternatives for at least 10 years that I know of so probably longer in reality.BAT and the gov have missed a huge trick with ecigs which frankly i find amusing that their greed has blinded them to the first viable alternative to smoking, so please excuse my candor with my less than remorseful response. Ultimately though BAT had little intention of keeping anything in the UK anyway as the market is no longer here, the growth industry is in asia for tobacco use.[/p][/quote]BAT went to Tony Blair to ask him as with Germany & Poland we would be able to export high tar fags so in reality they were looking to stay here but Blair said NO. Now BAT has bought up a few of these ecigarette companies & is reaping the rewards as is my pension fund ., loosehead
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11:40am Mon 31 Mar 14

moocowpoorchick says...

I'm glad your pension is reaping rewards that's the way its meant to be! I am also glad that BAT is moving into better and more diverse markets instead of tobacco and its related diseases. I dont know about BAT asking blair anything, i am surprised he didnt allow it my only guess as to why he didnt was the envelope from BAT was not large enough to sate greedy little batsards palm!
I'm glad your pension is reaping rewards that's the way its meant to be! I am also glad that BAT is moving into better and more diverse markets instead of tobacco and its related diseases. I dont know about BAT asking blair anything, i am surprised he didnt allow it my only guess as to why he didnt was the envelope from BAT was not large enough to sate greedy little batsards palm! moocowpoorchick
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4:12pm Mon 31 Mar 14

loosehead says...

moocowpoorchick wrote:
I'm glad your pension is reaping rewards that's the way its meant to be! I am also glad that BAT is moving into better and more diverse markets instead of tobacco and its related diseases. I dont know about BAT asking blair anything, i am surprised he didnt allow it my only guess as to why he didnt was the envelope from BAT was not large enough to sate greedy little batsards palm!
He was a non smoker who didn't agree with smoking & as with the Harland & Wolf bid for The Queen Victoria ship he wouldn't break or stand up to any EU ruling.
So much for the EU saving jobs.
[quote][p][bold]moocowpoorchick[/bold] wrote: I'm glad your pension is reaping rewards that's the way its meant to be! I am also glad that BAT is moving into better and more diverse markets instead of tobacco and its related diseases. I dont know about BAT asking blair anything, i am surprised he didnt allow it my only guess as to why he didnt was the envelope from BAT was not large enough to sate greedy little batsards palm![/p][/quote]He was a non smoker who didn't agree with smoking & as with the Harland & Wolf bid for The Queen Victoria ship he wouldn't break or stand up to any EU ruling. So much for the EU saving jobs. loosehead
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