Gary Robertson to lose New Forest home of 50 years after his mother Monica's death

Gary Robertson, centre, with friends and neighbours.

Monica Robertson

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Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter, New Forest

HE’S just lost his mother and could be about to lose the only home he has ever known.

Former builder Gary Robertson, 50, who is classed as vulnerable by his GP, has been told to quit the two-bedroom council house he has lived in for half a century.

It follows the death last month of his mother Monica, who was listed as the sole tenant.

Civic chiefs say they are obliged by law to terminate the tenancy. However, friends and neighbours are urging them to delay the process and give the former builder time to grieve.

They have launched an online petition that has already been signed by more than 320 people.

Campaigners include Peter Armstrong, who told the Daily Echo: “I’ve never come across such an uncaring attitude – the heartlessness and insensitivity are unbelieveable.

“When bureaucracy rides roughshod over the grieving process, something is wrong.”

Gary was born at Hythe Hospital and has lived in the semi-detached property nearby since he was five days old. His 78- year-old mother died of cancer on February 28 but Gary has already been told to move out by New Forest District Council and fears he is about to become homeless.

Gary, who has lost several friends as well as both parents, is suffering from depression and is out of work. Fighting back tears, he said he desperately wanted to remain in the house that had been his home since he was born in 1963.

“It’s the only thing I’ve got left,” he said.

But the council has told him to sign a form agreeing to vacate the property within 28 days. If he refuses he is likely to face eviction proceedings.

Gary’s doctor, Hythe GP Chris Cole, has written letters of support in a bid to help him in his battle with the authority. One letter says: “This is clearly having a massive detrimental effect on his emotional wellbeing. He is I think a vulnerable adult and, as such, consideration needs to be given to his welfare.”

Another letter says Gary is finding the threat of homelessness “intolerable” and adds: “I’m extremely concerned about Mr Robertson’s health.”

A council spokesman said Britain’s housing laws prevented Gary from inheriting the tenancy from his late mother.

He added: “We’re aware of Mr Robertson’s circumstances and are doing everything in our power to support him at this difficult time.

“At this stage notice to terminate the tenancy has not been given and eviction proceedings have not been considered. We are conducting a homelessness investigation to establish whether or not the council has a duty to house him as a vulnerable person.

“If the council accepts a duty to house Mr Robertson, we would usually allow him to remain at the property pending re-housing.

“If no such duty is found, we will work with Mr Robertson to agree a termination and vacation date.”

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8:07am Fri 28 Mar 14

SOULJACKER says...

Come on now, you know it ain't about the people here.....it's the money that is important to these council types.
Paying for the upkeep of an over crowded country & messy country where you have no rights or compassion anymore.
Come on now, you know it ain't about the people here.....it's the money that is important to these council types. Paying for the upkeep of an over crowded country & messy country where you have no rights or compassion anymore. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 0

8:16am Fri 28 Mar 14

rudolph_hucker says...

Moving out will probably help him grieve.
Staying in that now-empty house with memories of his Mum everywhere is only going to hold him back.
It is time for a new start.
The council will help him out as they say, so he won't be homeless.
Moving out will probably help him grieve. Staying in that now-empty house with memories of his Mum everywhere is only going to hold him back. It is time for a new start. The council will help him out as they say, so he won't be homeless. rudolph_hucker
  • Score: 30

8:39am Fri 28 Mar 14

Might SS says...

What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others.
What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others. Might SS
  • Score: 1

8:52am Fri 28 Mar 14

Phototoxin says...

It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses.
It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses. Phototoxin
  • Score: 50

8:52am Fri 28 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

More tabloid headlines from the Echo.
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Council quote:- “At this stage notice to terminate the tenancy has not been given and eviction proceedings have not been considered.
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Perhaps Mr Robertson, who is classed as "vulnerable" by his doctor does need help that may be better provided away from his current home.
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I am sure that he will be assessed correctly and with the minimum disruption, provided with suitable accomodation .....
More tabloid headlines from the Echo. . Council quote:- “At this stage notice to terminate the tenancy has not been given and eviction proceedings have not been considered. . Perhaps Mr Robertson, who is classed as "vulnerable" by his doctor does need help that may be better provided away from his current home. . I am sure that he will be assessed correctly and with the minimum disruption, provided with suitable accomodation ..... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 22

9:08am Fri 28 Mar 14

Brite Spark says...

There must be dozens of more deserving benefit claiming lager drinking big flatscreen tv owning work shy teenage parents of 3 kids with absent fathers (+ those that pretend not to live with them) who should live iin this house.
There must be dozens of more deserving benefit claiming lager drinking big flatscreen tv owning work shy teenage parents of 3 kids with absent fathers (+ those that pretend not to live with them) who should live iin this house. Brite Spark
  • Score: 32

9:19am Fri 28 Mar 14

forest hump says...

Might SS wrote:
What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others.
What about families that need housing? There are plenty of available properties out there. This country will go to the dogs if undeserved freeloaders are continued to be supported. See comment from Mr Spark! 100% agree! Get off your lardy backsides and earn a living. And for the Government.. STOP child allowance after 2nd birth. I am tired of these brat-laden pushchairs (god help the kids!) blocking the shop counters whilst their bone idle mothers' buy scratch cards and cigarettes. Let us hope Darwin was correct on some counts
[quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others.[/p][/quote]What about families that need housing? There are plenty of available properties out there. This country will go to the dogs if undeserved freeloaders are continued to be supported. See comment from Mr Spark! 100% agree! Get off your lardy backsides and earn a living. And for the Government.. STOP child allowance after 2nd birth. I am tired of these brat-laden pushchairs (god help the kids!) blocking the shop counters whilst their bone idle mothers' buy scratch cards and cigarettes. Let us hope Darwin was correct on some counts forest hump
  • Score: 23

9:53am Fri 28 Mar 14

Superchick says...

forest hump wrote:
Might SS wrote:
What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others.
What about families that need housing? There are plenty of available properties out there. This country will go to the dogs if undeserved freeloaders are continued to be supported. See comment from Mr Spark! 100% agree! Get off your lardy backsides and earn a living. And for the Government.. STOP child allowance after 2nd birth. I am tired of these brat-laden pushchairs (god help the kids!) blocking the shop counters whilst their bone idle mothers' buy scratch cards and cigarettes. Let us hope Darwin was correct on some counts
I agree with ur comment but wow completely shocked at how u just referred to children. Brats!!!! Disgusting.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others.[/p][/quote]What about families that need housing? There are plenty of available properties out there. This country will go to the dogs if undeserved freeloaders are continued to be supported. See comment from Mr Spark! 100% agree! Get off your lardy backsides and earn a living. And for the Government.. STOP child allowance after 2nd birth. I am tired of these brat-laden pushchairs (god help the kids!) blocking the shop counters whilst their bone idle mothers' buy scratch cards and cigarettes. Let us hope Darwin was correct on some counts[/p][/quote]I agree with ur comment but wow completely shocked at how u just referred to children. Brats!!!! Disgusting. Superchick
  • Score: -24

10:13am Fri 28 Mar 14

wilson castaway says...

Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch! wilson castaway
  • Score: 29

10:26am Fri 28 Mar 14

S Pance says...

The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing!

See? Works both ways..
The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing! See? Works both ways.. S Pance
  • Score: -13

10:34am Fri 28 Mar 14

forest hump says...

wilson castaway wrote:
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
Mr Wilson, I am not referring to genuine individuals such as yourself. I am pointing at lazy, tired freeloaders who cannot remove their benefit scrounging backsides from the chair
[quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch![/p][/quote]Mr Wilson, I am not referring to genuine individuals such as yourself. I am pointing at lazy, tired freeloaders who cannot remove their benefit scrounging backsides from the chair forest hump
  • Score: 13

10:35am Fri 28 Mar 14

forest hump says...

S Pance wrote:
The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing!

See? Works both ways..
Naive comment, open your eyes Mr Pants. They will not support me, I have paid for that privilege
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing! See? Works both ways..[/p][/quote]Naive comment, open your eyes Mr Pants. They will not support me, I have paid for that privilege forest hump
  • Score: 10

10:36am Fri 28 Mar 14

sotonboy84 says...

wilson castaway wrote:
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
But at least you have the satisfaction of providing for yourself and setting a great example for your children so they'll grow up and do the same.
[quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch![/p][/quote]But at least you have the satisfaction of providing for yourself and setting a great example for your children so they'll grow up and do the same. sotonboy84
  • Score: 19

10:37am Fri 28 Mar 14

sotonboy84 says...

forest hump wrote:
wilson castaway wrote:
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
Mr Wilson, I am not referring to genuine individuals such as yourself. I am pointing at lazy, tired freeloaders who cannot remove their benefit scrounging backsides from the chair
Correction - *chose not* to remove their benefit scrounging backsides from the chair!
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch![/p][/quote]Mr Wilson, I am not referring to genuine individuals such as yourself. I am pointing at lazy, tired freeloaders who cannot remove their benefit scrounging backsides from the chair[/p][/quote]Correction - *chose not* to remove their benefit scrounging backsides from the chair! sotonboy84
  • Score: -6

10:45am Fri 28 Mar 14

HillsidePaul says...

Brite Spark wrote:
There must be dozens of more deserving benefit claiming lager drinking big flatscreen tv owning work shy teenage parents of 3 kids with absent fathers (+ those that pretend not to live with them) who should live iin this house.
What is it with nasty, moronic, fact hating, right wing idiots like you.

Firstly if you care to look in the shops you will see that ALL tv's are flat screen,it's nothing special. Secondly the majority of Council tenants are IN work. But with the Tories minimum wage, zero hours jobs coupled with government inflated house prices it means that most working people in Southampton cant afford a mortgage.

Still I've no doubt the facts won't change your hate filled poison.
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: There must be dozens of more deserving benefit claiming lager drinking big flatscreen tv owning work shy teenage parents of 3 kids with absent fathers (+ those that pretend not to live with them) who should live iin this house.[/p][/quote]What is it with nasty, moronic, fact hating, right wing idiots like you. Firstly if you care to look in the shops you will see that ALL tv's are flat screen,it's nothing special. Secondly the majority of Council tenants are IN work. But with the Tories minimum wage, zero hours jobs coupled with government inflated house prices it means that most working people in Southampton cant afford a mortgage. Still I've no doubt the facts won't change your hate filled poison. HillsidePaul
  • Score: 4

10:53am Fri 28 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

S Pance wrote:
The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing!

See? Works both ways..
Up to a point, Lord Copper.

However, the brats referenced above are unlikely to contribute to society in any meaningful way.
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing! See? Works both ways..[/p][/quote]Up to a point, Lord Copper. However, the brats referenced above are unlikely to contribute to society in any meaningful way. From the sidelines
  • Score: 5

11:01am Fri 28 Mar 14

chimneysweep 1234 says...

It was his mother's house not his by by ..but sorry for his loss
It was his mother's house not his by by ..but sorry for his loss chimneysweep 1234
  • Score: 10

11:04am Fri 28 Mar 14

no. 10 says...

Phototoxin wrote:
It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses.
I do!.
[quote][p][bold]Phototoxin[/bold] wrote: It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses.[/p][/quote]I do!. no. 10
  • Score: -1

11:11am Fri 28 Mar 14

boilerman says...

This makes me laugh, not the guy,s plight, but the fact that the council say he has 28 days to get out.
I had a tenant in a propperty I own and gave her 2 months notice, she went to the council who contacted me and said they had advised her to stay and make me evict her.
The process could have taken at least six months,
Lucky enough she moved into another property.
So why is it alright for the council to behave in this way , but when the shoe is on the other foot they advise to the contrary.
This makes me laugh, not the guy,s plight, but the fact that the council say he has 28 days to get out. I had a tenant in a propperty I own and gave her 2 months notice, she went to the council who contacted me and said they had advised her to stay and make me evict her. The process could have taken at least six months, Lucky enough she moved into another property. So why is it alright for the council to behave in this way , but when the shoe is on the other foot they advise to the contrary. boilerman
  • Score: 21

11:15am Fri 28 Mar 14

Superchick says...

From the sidelines wrote:
S Pance wrote:
The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing!

See? Works both ways..
Up to a point, Lord Copper.

However, the brats referenced above are unlikely to contribute to society in any meaningful way.
Sorry but the way u refer to children is disgusting and u should be ashamed of yourselfs. I dont know how anyone can refer to children in such a way. These childrens futures may turn out to be better than ur own so that comment was completely ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing! See? Works both ways..[/p][/quote]Up to a point, Lord Copper. However, the brats referenced above are unlikely to contribute to society in any meaningful way.[/p][/quote]Sorry but the way u refer to children is disgusting and u should be ashamed of yourselfs. I dont know how anyone can refer to children in such a way. These childrens futures may turn out to be better than ur own so that comment was completely ridiculous. Superchick
  • Score: -16

11:36am Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

no. 10 wrote:
Phototoxin wrote:
It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses.
I do!.
Luckily, I had the foresite to buy my own, otherwise I would probably have been booted out by some uncaring bureaucrat, it took virtually every penny I earned for many years and I made sacrifices to secure it, but it is worth every penny now, I was born in it, I intend to die in it, if it is possible. An Englishmans home is his castle, unless it is a Council house. They say that moving house is probably one of the most stressing things you will ever do, that should be considered when evicting vulnerable people. It isn't their fault that there are not enough houses to go around, that blame lies elsewhere and they know who they are.
[quote][p][bold]no. 10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phototoxin[/bold] wrote: It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses.[/p][/quote]I do!.[/p][/quote]Luckily, I had the foresite to buy my own, otherwise I would probably have been booted out by some uncaring bureaucrat, it took virtually every penny I earned for many years and I made sacrifices to secure it, but it is worth every penny now, I was born in it, I intend to die in it, if it is possible. An Englishmans home is his castle, unless it is a Council house. They say that moving house is probably one of the most stressing things you will ever do, that should be considered when evicting vulnerable people. It isn't their fault that there are not enough houses to go around, that blame lies elsewhere and they know who they are. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

11:36am Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

no. 10 wrote:
Phototoxin wrote:
It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses.
I do!.
Luckily, I had the foresite to buy my own, otherwise I would probably have been booted out by some uncaring bureaucrat, it took virtually every penny I earned for many years and I made sacrifices to secure it, but it is worth every penny now, I was born in it, I intend to die in it, if it is possible. An Englishmans home is his castle, unless it is a Council house. They say that moving house is probably one of the most stressing things you will ever do, that should be considered when evicting vulnerable people. It isn't their fault that there are not enough houses to go around, that blame lies elsewhere and they know who they are.
[quote][p][bold]no. 10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phototoxin[/bold] wrote: It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses.[/p][/quote]I do!.[/p][/quote]Luckily, I had the foresite to buy my own, otherwise I would probably have been booted out by some uncaring bureaucrat, it took virtually every penny I earned for many years and I made sacrifices to secure it, but it is worth every penny now, I was born in it, I intend to die in it, if it is possible. An Englishmans home is his castle, unless it is a Council house. They say that moving house is probably one of the most stressing things you will ever do, that should be considered when evicting vulnerable people. It isn't their fault that there are not enough houses to go around, that blame lies elsewhere and they know who they are. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

11:37am Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sorry for the double post, the site hung up on me, wasn't sure it had gone first time.
Sorry for the double post, the site hung up on me, wasn't sure it had gone first time. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

11:41am Fri 28 Mar 14

loosehead says...

wilson castaway wrote:
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then?
[quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch![/p][/quote]So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then? loosehead
  • Score: -3

11:41am Fri 28 Mar 14

Lifesurfer says...

Everyone should have a right to grieve especially when classed as vunerable. Those of us who have lost a loved one know how difficult it can be, but to be under the threat of homelessness as well with no offer of somewhere else must be horrendous for anyone to cope with.
Everyone should have a right to grieve especially when classed as vunerable. Those of us who have lost a loved one know how difficult it can be, but to be under the threat of homelessness as well with no offer of somewhere else must be horrendous for anyone to cope with. Lifesurfer
  • Score: 9

11:45am Fri 28 Mar 14

loosehead says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
There must be dozens of more deserving benefit claiming lager drinking big flatscreen tv owning work shy teenage parents of 3 kids with absent fathers (+ those that pretend not to live with them) who should live iin this house.
What is it with nasty, moronic, fact hating, right wing idiots like you.

Firstly if you care to look in the shops you will see that ALL tv's are flat screen,it's nothing special. Secondly the majority of Council tenants are IN work. But with the Tories minimum wage, zero hours jobs coupled with government inflated house prices it means that most working people in Southampton cant afford a mortgage.

Still I've no doubt the facts won't change your hate filled poison.
How many were in work & in Council/housing association properties under Labour then?
So two people working say on £12,000 a year times 4 =£80,000 so with the Government schemes that are going YES they could afford to buy.
The problem is many have children just so they can get a council property instead of waiting working & saving a deposit to buy a house.
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: There must be dozens of more deserving benefit claiming lager drinking big flatscreen tv owning work shy teenage parents of 3 kids with absent fathers (+ those that pretend not to live with them) who should live iin this house.[/p][/quote]What is it with nasty, moronic, fact hating, right wing idiots like you. Firstly if you care to look in the shops you will see that ALL tv's are flat screen,it's nothing special. Secondly the majority of Council tenants are IN work. But with the Tories minimum wage, zero hours jobs coupled with government inflated house prices it means that most working people in Southampton cant afford a mortgage. Still I've no doubt the facts won't change your hate filled poison.[/p][/quote]How many were in work & in Council/housing association properties under Labour then? So two people working say on £12,000 a year times 4 =£80,000 so with the Government schemes that are going YES they could afford to buy. The problem is many have children just so they can get a council property instead of waiting working & saving a deposit to buy a house. loosehead
  • Score: -2

11:50am Fri 28 Mar 14

loosehead says...

This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules.
So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to.
You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing?
Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go.
This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules. So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to. You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing? Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go. loosehead
  • Score: 2

11:52am Fri 28 Mar 14

Lifesurfer says...

Here's something for you I found out -
The Council are not currently doing everything in their power to help Gary as they are saying!!
Currently not offering any alternative accommodation!!
Here's something for you I found out - The Council are not currently doing everything in their power to help Gary as they are saying!! Currently not offering any alternative accommodation!! Lifesurfer
  • Score: 4

11:55am Fri 28 Mar 14

deepheat says...

This situation is very common. As a council tenant any family would only be allowed 1 or maybe 2 successions of a property. If the husband/wife passes away the property automatically goes to the partner. When the partner dies there is no more succession and the property has to be vacated no matter what and made ready for a new family. In this case the mother, when she was alive, could have handed the tenancy over to her son and it would not have affected the succession procedure and he could have stayed legally or as a tenant been offered a smaller property. If more families who have lived in properties for decades understood succession rights there would be less sons/daughters facing this problem.
This situation is very common. As a council tenant any family would only be allowed 1 or maybe 2 successions of a property. If the husband/wife passes away the property automatically goes to the partner. When the partner dies there is no more succession and the property has to be vacated no matter what and made ready for a new family. In this case the mother, when she was alive, could have handed the tenancy over to her son and it would not have affected the succession procedure and he could have stayed legally or as a tenant been offered a smaller property. If more families who have lived in properties for decades understood succession rights there would be less sons/daughters facing this problem. deepheat
  • Score: 14

12:08pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Lifesurfer says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
More tabloid headlines from the Echo.
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Council quote:- “At this stage notice to terminate the tenancy has not been given and eviction proceedings have not been considered.
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Perhaps Mr Robertson, who is classed as "vulnerable" by his doctor does need help that may be better provided away from his current home.
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I am sure that he will be assessed correctly and with the minimum disruption, provided with suitable accomodation .....
Not correct - notice /terminationpaperwor
k for signing re 28 days notice has been sent. Two days after funeral!!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: More tabloid headlines from the Echo. . Council quote:- “At this stage notice to terminate the tenancy has not been given and eviction proceedings have not been considered. . Perhaps Mr Robertson, who is classed as "vulnerable" by his doctor does need help that may be better provided away from his current home. . I am sure that he will be assessed correctly and with the minimum disruption, provided with suitable accomodation .....[/p][/quote]Not correct - notice /terminationpaperwor k for signing re 28 days notice has been sent. Two days after funeral!! Lifesurfer
  • Score: -2

12:09pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Lifesurfer says...

rudolph_hucker wrote:
Moving out will probably help him grieve.
Staying in that now-empty house with memories of his Mum everywhere is only going to hold him back.
It is time for a new start.
The council will help him out as they say, so he won't be homeless.
No help currently coming from Council!!
[quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: Moving out will probably help him grieve. Staying in that now-empty house with memories of his Mum everywhere is only going to hold him back. It is time for a new start. The council will help him out as they say, so he won't be homeless.[/p][/quote]No help currently coming from Council!! Lifesurfer
  • Score: -4

12:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

the chavs have brought this on themselves ,the tories are now sticking the boot in good style.
the chavs have brought this on themselves ,the tories are now sticking the boot in good style. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: -5

12:39pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Zexagon says...

Unfortunate situation but with all his friends in the photo they'll be only to willing to have him stay with them
Unfortunate situation but with all his friends in the photo they'll be only to willing to have him stay with them Zexagon
  • Score: 5

12:57pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
wilson castaway wrote:
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then?
These days that is the prerogative of the rich. The first house I bought cost under £3000 and it was sold recently for £185,000. That rate of inflation in house prices is due to the Tories deliberate policies of pushing up house prices to suit their rich old Etonian friends, but makes it almost impossible for working class people to buy their homes whilst still young enough to reproduce. Building the necessary social that is desperately needed would bring house prices down to an affordable level, which is why C'moron's lot will never do it. Their idea of affordable housing is to enable an even bigger financial millstone round the neck by allowing too large mortgages to first time buyers. And of course, lose your job you lose your home, no MIRAS any more.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch![/p][/quote]So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then?[/p][/quote]These days that is the prerogative of the rich. The first house I bought cost under £3000 and it was sold recently for £185,000. That rate of inflation in house prices is due to the Tories deliberate policies of pushing up house prices to suit their rich old Etonian friends, but makes it almost impossible for working class people to buy their homes whilst still young enough to reproduce. Building the necessary social that is desperately needed would bring house prices down to an affordable level, which is why C'moron's lot will never do it. Their idea of affordable housing is to enable an even bigger financial millstone round the neck by allowing too large mortgages to first time buyers. And of course, lose your job you lose your home, no MIRAS any more. Inform Al
  • Score: 4

1:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lifesurfer wrote:
rudolph_hucker wrote:
Moving out will probably help him grieve.
Staying in that now-empty house with memories of his Mum everywhere is only going to hold him back.
It is time for a new start.
The council will help him out as they say, so he won't be homeless.
No help currently coming from Council!!
The harsh truth is that the council own the property and have a duty to house other people including families that need larger properties so the man will have to move. Council housing does not come with support workers or carers so their actions are within the law and the story suggests the council are assessing the mans needs and he should be re-housed according to his needs.

I agree, it's sad that the man has to leave the home he's know his whole life but as it belongs to the council and not him, he can't expect to stay there when there's people/families that have a physical need for the house and not a sentimental one.
[quote][p][bold]Lifesurfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: Moving out will probably help him grieve. Staying in that now-empty house with memories of his Mum everywhere is only going to hold him back. It is time for a new start. The council will help him out as they say, so he won't be homeless.[/p][/quote]No help currently coming from Council!![/p][/quote]The harsh truth is that the council own the property and have a duty to house other people including families that need larger properties so the man will have to move. Council housing does not come with support workers or carers so their actions are within the law and the story suggests the council are assessing the mans needs and he should be re-housed according to his needs. I agree, it's sad that the man has to leave the home he's know his whole life but as it belongs to the council and not him, he can't expect to stay there when there's people/families that have a physical need for the house and not a sentimental one. sotonboy84
  • Score: 5

1:06pm Fri 28 Mar 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
wilson castaway wrote:
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then?
These days that is the prerogative of the rich. The first house I bought cost under £3000 and it was sold recently for £185,000. That rate of inflation in house prices is due to the Tories deliberate policies of pushing up house prices to suit their rich old Etonian friends, but makes it almost impossible for working class people to buy their homes whilst still young enough to reproduce. Building the necessary social that is desperately needed would bring house prices down to an affordable level, which is why C'moron's lot will never do it. Their idea of affordable housing is to enable an even bigger financial millstone round the neck by allowing too large mortgages to first time buyers. And of course, lose your job you lose your home, no MIRAS any more.
Do you not think that the world economy plays a role in the increase house prices?! I don't believe any political party can be blamed for it.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch![/p][/quote]So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then?[/p][/quote]These days that is the prerogative of the rich. The first house I bought cost under £3000 and it was sold recently for £185,000. That rate of inflation in house prices is due to the Tories deliberate policies of pushing up house prices to suit their rich old Etonian friends, but makes it almost impossible for working class people to buy their homes whilst still young enough to reproduce. Building the necessary social that is desperately needed would bring house prices down to an affordable level, which is why C'moron's lot will never do it. Their idea of affordable housing is to enable an even bigger financial millstone round the neck by allowing too large mortgages to first time buyers. And of course, lose your job you lose your home, no MIRAS any more.[/p][/quote]Do you not think that the world economy plays a role in the increase house prices?! I don't believe any political party can be blamed for it. sotonboy84
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules.
So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to.
You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing?
Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go.
LH that's not like you, you are not normally that hard hearted, he has to go 'thems the Rules', but where to?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules. So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to. You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing? Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go.[/p][/quote]LH that's not like you, you are not normally that hard hearted, he has to go 'thems the Rules', but where to? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:32pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Donald2000 says...

This is an argument similar to that of the bedroom tax; he is in too large a property for his needs and will therefore need to be rehoused in a one room or studio flat but the point is where will he be able to be rehoused?

I am terribly sorry for his loss and I hope the council looks favourably on him. It's not nice to lose a relative (I have been in that position) and he should not be blamed and I believe he should be rehoused by the council as anyone who is bereaved should be counted as being vulnerable.
This is an argument similar to that of the bedroom tax; he is in too large a property for his needs and will therefore need to be rehoused in a one room or studio flat but the point is where will he be able to be rehoused? I am terribly sorry for his loss and I hope the council looks favourably on him. It's not nice to lose a relative (I have been in that position) and he should not be blamed and I believe he should be rehoused by the council as anyone who is bereaved should be counted as being vulnerable. Donald2000
  • Score: 5

2:46pm Fri 28 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

I think they should give the poor love a bigger house and a yacht to go with it, meanwhile back in the real world.
I think they should give the poor love a bigger house and a yacht to go with it, meanwhile back in the real world. bigfella777
  • Score: -6

3:54pm Fri 28 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
wilson castaway wrote:
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then?
These days that is the prerogative of the rich. The first house I bought cost under £3000 and it was sold recently for £185,000. That rate of inflation in house prices is due to the Tories deliberate policies of pushing up house prices to suit their rich old Etonian friends, but makes it almost impossible for working class people to buy their homes whilst still young enough to reproduce. Building the necessary social that is desperately needed would bring house prices down to an affordable level, which is why C'moron's lot will never do it. Their idea of affordable housing is to enable an even bigger financial millstone round the neck by allowing too large mortgages to first time buyers. And of course, lose your job you lose your home, no MIRAS any more.
I slept on family sofas & saved a deposit so why can't other people do this?
You blame the Tories but exactly what did Labour do to stop escalating house prices besides the Banking crisis?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch![/p][/quote]So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then?[/p][/quote]These days that is the prerogative of the rich. The first house I bought cost under £3000 and it was sold recently for £185,000. That rate of inflation in house prices is due to the Tories deliberate policies of pushing up house prices to suit their rich old Etonian friends, but makes it almost impossible for working class people to buy their homes whilst still young enough to reproduce. Building the necessary social that is desperately needed would bring house prices down to an affordable level, which is why C'moron's lot will never do it. Their idea of affordable housing is to enable an even bigger financial millstone round the neck by allowing too large mortgages to first time buyers. And of course, lose your job you lose your home, no MIRAS any more.[/p][/quote]I slept on family sofas & saved a deposit so why can't other people do this? You blame the Tories but exactly what did Labour do to stop escalating house prices besides the Banking crisis? loosehead
  • Score: 4

3:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules.
So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to.
You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing?
Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go.
LH that's not like you, you are not normally that hard hearted, he has to go 'thems the Rules', but where to?
If you read it properly my friend I'd have thought he'd be offered a studio flat which is what a single person is deemed to need.
If he's homeless the council will have to house him so surely instead of going to press his fiends should have taken him to the council & put it to them he'd be happy with single person accommodation.
But I think the problem is he wants to stay in a two bedroomed house & I think that's wrong.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules. So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to. You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing? Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go.[/p][/quote]LH that's not like you, you are not normally that hard hearted, he has to go 'thems the Rules', but where to?[/p][/quote]If you read it properly my friend I'd have thought he'd be offered a studio flat which is what a single person is deemed to need. If he's homeless the council will have to house him so surely instead of going to press his fiends should have taken him to the council & put it to them he'd be happy with single person accommodation. But I think the problem is he wants to stay in a two bedroomed house & I think that's wrong. loosehead
  • Score: 2

5:42pm Fri 28 Mar 14

footballcrazy says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules.
So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to.
You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing?
Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go.
LH that's not like you, you are not normally that hard hearted, he has to go 'thems the Rules', but where to?
If you read it properly my friend I'd have thought he'd be offered a studio flat which is what a single person is deemed to need.
If he's homeless the council will have to house him so surely instead of going to press his fiends should have taken him to the council & put it to them he'd be happy with single person accommodation.
But I think the problem is he wants to stay in a two bedroomed house & I think that's wrong.
totally agree
the article by the echo mentions his mother was sole tenant were they aware he was living there?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules. So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to. You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing? Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go.[/p][/quote]LH that's not like you, you are not normally that hard hearted, he has to go 'thems the Rules', but where to?[/p][/quote]If you read it properly my friend I'd have thought he'd be offered a studio flat which is what a single person is deemed to need. If he's homeless the council will have to house him so surely instead of going to press his fiends should have taken him to the council & put it to them he'd be happy with single person accommodation. But I think the problem is he wants to stay in a two bedroomed house & I think that's wrong.[/p][/quote]totally agree the article by the echo mentions his mother was sole tenant were they aware he was living there? footballcrazy
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Fri 28 Mar 14

George4th says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
no. 10 wrote:
Phototoxin wrote:
It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses.
I do!.
Luckily, I had the foresite to buy my own, otherwise I would probably have been booted out by some uncaring bureaucrat, it took virtually every penny I earned for many years and I made sacrifices to secure it, but it is worth every penny now, I was born in it, I intend to die in it, if it is possible. An Englishmans home is his castle, unless it is a Council house. They say that moving house is probably one of the most stressing things you will ever do, that should be considered when evicting vulnerable people. It isn't their fault that there are not enough houses to go around, that blame lies elsewhere and they know who they are.
Yes, it was the last Labour government who did not build enough houses. Look back at their record - go on! - it is appalling! Plus they allowed 2 Million immigrants into the country with no proper planning for housing, health, transport etc etc.

They left that disaster plus a huge debt due their out of control spending!

There is NOT one single thing that you can point to that the last Labour government got right!

It's taken the coalition to make hard nosed decisions to get this country back on track for the sake of our children and our future............
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]no. 10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phototoxin[/bold] wrote: It seems harsh but people don't 'own' 'their' council houses.[/p][/quote]I do!.[/p][/quote]Luckily, I had the foresite to buy my own, otherwise I would probably have been booted out by some uncaring bureaucrat, it took virtually every penny I earned for many years and I made sacrifices to secure it, but it is worth every penny now, I was born in it, I intend to die in it, if it is possible. An Englishmans home is his castle, unless it is a Council house. They say that moving house is probably one of the most stressing things you will ever do, that should be considered when evicting vulnerable people. It isn't their fault that there are not enough houses to go around, that blame lies elsewhere and they know who they are.[/p][/quote]Yes, it was the last Labour government who did not build enough houses. Look back at their record - go on! - it is appalling! Plus they allowed 2 Million immigrants into the country with no proper planning for housing, health, transport etc etc. They left that disaster plus a huge debt due their out of control spending! There is NOT one single thing that you can point to that the last Labour government got right! It's taken the coalition to make hard nosed decisions to get this country back on track for the sake of our children and our future............ George4th
  • Score: 11

6:05pm Fri 28 Mar 14

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
wilson castaway wrote:
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then?
These days that is the prerogative of the rich. The first house I bought cost under £3000 and it was sold recently for £185,000. That rate of inflation in house prices is due to the Tories deliberate policies of pushing up house prices to suit their rich old Etonian friends, but makes it almost impossible for working class people to buy their homes whilst still young enough to reproduce. Building the necessary social that is desperately needed would bring house prices down to an affordable level, which is why C'moron's lot will never do it. Their idea of affordable housing is to enable an even bigger financial millstone round the neck by allowing too large mortgages to first time buyers. And of course, lose your job you lose your home, no MIRAS any more.
I slept on family sofas & saved a deposit so why can't other people do this?
You blame the Tories but exactly what did Labour do to stop escalating house prices besides the Banking crisis?
You are so right!

Unfortunately, during the Consumer Boom, the Property Boom and the Credit Boom of 1999 - 2007, many people (especially the young) took the attitude of "I want it now". They borrowed instead of saving. The Live Now, Pay Later culture is still a hangover that UK Plc lives with.............

It's not rocket science. You don't get married/live together until you can afford it. You don't get a home until you can afford it. You only start a family when you have the nest safe and secure. Not to do those things is your decision and therefore you must suffer the consequences........
......

If you want anything in life you have to work hard for it...............
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch![/p][/quote]So you didn't think of saving & buying a place before you had three children then?[/p][/quote]These days that is the prerogative of the rich. The first house I bought cost under £3000 and it was sold recently for £185,000. That rate of inflation in house prices is due to the Tories deliberate policies of pushing up house prices to suit their rich old Etonian friends, but makes it almost impossible for working class people to buy their homes whilst still young enough to reproduce. Building the necessary social that is desperately needed would bring house prices down to an affordable level, which is why C'moron's lot will never do it. Their idea of affordable housing is to enable an even bigger financial millstone round the neck by allowing too large mortgages to first time buyers. And of course, lose your job you lose your home, no MIRAS any more.[/p][/quote]I slept on family sofas & saved a deposit so why can't other people do this? You blame the Tories but exactly what did Labour do to stop escalating house prices besides the Banking crisis?[/p][/quote]You are so right! Unfortunately, during the Consumer Boom, the Property Boom and the Credit Boom of 1999 - 2007, many people (especially the young) took the attitude of "I want it now". They borrowed instead of saving. The Live Now, Pay Later culture is still a hangover that UK Plc lives with............. It's not rocket science. You don't get married/live together until you can afford it. You don't get a home until you can afford it. You only start a family when you have the nest safe and secure. Not to do those things is your decision and therefore you must suffer the consequences........ ...... If you want anything in life you have to work hard for it............... George4th
  • Score: 16

6:25pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Oh I thought it was about the Death Tax. Your dad or mum dies and you have to pay the vile state "Inheritance Tax" so your home has to be sold. The Death Tax starts at the price of a terraced 3 bed in St Mary's Road Cowley, so it's about the bloated top-hatted filthy rich, of course. Oh wait, this is about public welfare housing. Should have guessed.
PS How do you "inherit" your family home? Not like Uncle Orinoco died in Patagonia and left you a fortune, is it?
Anyway didn't the BBC do public welfare housing to death this morning? Fancy the preposterous idea that we SHOULDN'T pay for one person to live in a 3 bed council house.
Oh I thought it was about the Death Tax. Your dad or mum dies and you have to pay the vile state "Inheritance Tax" so your home has to be sold. The Death Tax starts at the price of a terraced 3 bed in St Mary's Road Cowley, so it's about the bloated top-hatted filthy rich, of course. Oh wait, this is about public welfare housing. Should have guessed. PS How do you "inherit" your family home? Not like Uncle Orinoco died in Patagonia and left you a fortune, is it? Anyway didn't the BBC do public welfare housing to death this morning? Fancy the preposterous idea that we SHOULDN'T pay for one person to live in a 3 bed council house. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

6:30pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
Come on now, you know it ain't about the people here.....it's the money that is important to these council types.
Paying for the upkeep of an over crowded country & messy country where you have no rights or compassion anymore.
Compassion is an individual characteristic. It cannot be possessed by committees or dogs or bicycle pumps. Please put the word back where it belongs. Councils simply dispense our money and should behave competently and without showing favour to individuals. Best: councils should deal only with PUBLIC services and not personal services like houses for individuals.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Come on now, you know it ain't about the people here.....it's the money that is important to these council types. Paying for the upkeep of an over crowded country & messy country where you have no rights or compassion anymore.[/p][/quote]Compassion is an individual characteristic. It cannot be possessed by committees or dogs or bicycle pumps. Please put the word back where it belongs. Councils simply dispense our money and should behave competently and without showing favour to individuals. Best: councils should deal only with PUBLIC services and not personal services like houses for individuals. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

6:42pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

There is loads of work for builders in the Forest so I'm not sure why you need to be a "former builder"
There is loads of work for builders in the Forest so I'm not sure why you need to be a "former builder" Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

6:55pm Fri 28 Mar 14

loosehead says...

So what does this person want? I left school at 15 I worked in low paid jobs at 21 I was kicked out for having a love bite on my neck . I slept on sisters sofa's.
I was asked by a brother to help him get a private flat so I moved in only to find he was squatting so back to the sofas.
I got a bed sit then by working overtime & saving money I bought a house with a mortgage.
then I got married & later moved to Thailand when I was made redundant I came back & again I was on a sofa.
with my redundancy I put a deposit on a house as I tried the council route but a homeless couple sleeping on a sofa tough but I could bid for a retirement flat(one bedroomed) but we decided to buy as those council homes were needed by people on lower pay than me or so I was brought up to believe.
It really gets me where families all grown up all with cars & going on at least one holiday a year are claiming they can't afford to buy.
If the councils applied their own rules there would be young families in homes not single or couples in two to four bedroomed houses.
in a case like this the council would have to offer this man alternative accommodation but it would only be a studio flat .
So what does this person want? I left school at 15 I worked in low paid jobs at 21 I was kicked out for having a love bite on my neck . I slept on sisters sofa's. I was asked by a brother to help him get a private flat so I moved in only to find he was squatting so back to the sofas. I got a bed sit then by working overtime & saving money I bought a house with a mortgage. then I got married & later moved to Thailand when I was made redundant I came back & again I was on a sofa. with my redundancy I put a deposit on a house as I tried the council route but a homeless couple sleeping on a sofa tough but I could bid for a retirement flat(one bedroomed) but we decided to buy as those council homes were needed by people on lower pay than me or so I was brought up to believe. It really gets me where families all grown up all with cars & going on at least one holiday a year are claiming they can't afford to buy. If the councils applied their own rules there would be young families in homes not single or couples in two to four bedroomed houses. in a case like this the council would have to offer this man alternative accommodation but it would only be a studio flat . loosehead
  • Score: 3

9:19pm Fri 28 Mar 14

solomum says...

As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage? solomum
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Fri 28 Mar 14

forest hump says...

solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
Life's a **** and then you die.
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]Life's a **** and then you die. forest hump
  • Score: 0

10:06pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Inform Al says...

Dai Rear wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Come on now, you know it ain't about the people here.....it's the money that is important to these council types.
Paying for the upkeep of an over crowded country & messy country where you have no rights or compassion anymore.
Compassion is an individual characteristic. It cannot be possessed by committees or dogs or bicycle pumps. Please put the word back where it belongs. Councils simply dispense our money and should behave competently and without showing favour to individuals. Best: councils should deal only with PUBLIC services and not personal services like houses for individuals.
Cr4p. Housing Revenue Accounts are ring fenced from General Funds so ALL council housing is completely financed by the rents.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Come on now, you know it ain't about the people here.....it's the money that is important to these council types. Paying for the upkeep of an over crowded country & messy country where you have no rights or compassion anymore.[/p][/quote]Compassion is an individual characteristic. It cannot be possessed by committees or dogs or bicycle pumps. Please put the word back where it belongs. Councils simply dispense our money and should behave competently and without showing favour to individuals. Best: councils should deal only with PUBLIC services and not personal services like houses for individuals.[/p][/quote]Cr4p. Housing Revenue Accounts are ring fenced from General Funds so ALL council housing is completely financed by the rents. Inform Al
  • Score: -3

10:11pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Noo Noo B says...

wilson castaway wrote:
Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch!
Thank you. You have restored some of my faith in the people of this country. What's wrong with living within your means and not expecting the government (I obviously mean the ordinary person in the street who pays tax) to fund a lifestyle that you cannot afford.
Please take heart when your children grow up and learn from you and you can afford more you will enjoy it and know that you you have earned it. BUT please believe me you will get angry at all of these benefit scrounges who think it is their right to get benefit and feed their children from Gregg's and not cook and provide proper care.
I don't mean this in a condescending way but well done and very good luck
[quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Sadly we live in the south where the price of renting a property privately is so high many families including mine, who are working families cannot afford a mortgage or to private rent.Im lucky as I have a housing association house, I have three children and me and my partner work hard just to survive.We never go out and may get a take away as a treat every 3 months..if we can afford it.Then we see the neighbour down the road who practically lives off takeaways and wonder where were going wrong.My children are definately not brats, my eldest son is a high achiever.And my tv is nowhere near 50 inch![/p][/quote]Thank you. You have restored some of my faith in the people of this country. What's wrong with living within your means and not expecting the government (I obviously mean the ordinary person in the street who pays tax) to fund a lifestyle that you cannot afford. Please take heart when your children grow up and learn from you and you can afford more you will enjoy it and know that you you have earned it. BUT please believe me you will get angry at all of these benefit scrounges who think it is their right to get benefit and feed their children from Gregg's and not cook and provide proper care. I don't mean this in a condescending way but well done and very good luck Noo Noo B
  • Score: 2

7:02am Sat 29 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
And I lived at home with mum and dad till I got married. Then I couldn't afford to live in South Hertfordshire so I moved out to Bedfordshire where we could afford to buy a house. It's what you do. But I have 2 left hands. Gary's a builder, in the brilliant position of having been able to buy a bit of land and build a home for himself over the years.
You are obviously neither heartless nor uncaring, so go on, send Gary a cheque.
Sorry, no, you're Mr "I'll have a double Scotch. My friend is paying"
Oh, but Uninformed Al says " Housing Revenue Accounts are ring fenced from General Funds so ALL council housing is completely financed by the rents" Well Uninformed, if you believe in public sector accountancy then go look for fairies at the bottom of your garden. Public housing is sold at an undervalue through non-market rentals . It is a gift to the occupant. In the unlikely event of your owning a house which you bought a few years ago, do you want to sell it to me at the price you paid?
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]And I lived at home with mum and dad till I got married. Then I couldn't afford to live in South Hertfordshire so I moved out to Bedfordshire where we could afford to buy a house. It's what you do. But I have 2 left hands. Gary's a builder, in the brilliant position of having been able to buy a bit of land and build a home for himself over the years. You are obviously neither heartless nor uncaring, so go on, send Gary a cheque. Sorry, no, you're Mr "I'll have a double Scotch. My friend is paying" Oh, but Uninformed Al says " Housing Revenue Accounts are ring fenced from General Funds so ALL council housing is completely financed by the rents" Well Uninformed, if you believe in public sector accountancy then go look for fairies at the bottom of your garden. Public housing is sold at an undervalue through non-market rentals . It is a gift to the occupant. In the unlikely event of your owning a house which you bought a few years ago, do you want to sell it to me at the price you paid? Dai Rear
  • Score: 5

7:59am Sat 29 Mar 14

loosehead says...

solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
Solomum why didn't his mum put his name on the rent book? Did she claim a single persons council tax?
Do you think it's okay for a single person to live in a two-three bedroomed house whilst a young family are in a one bedroom flat?
No tenants don't own it that's the point isn't it?
But tenants get all repairs & modernisation's for free a private owner doesn't so while a tenant can have at least one holiday a owner has to pay for repairs so can't afford to go on holiday.
I get it your a single mum or isn't that what solo stands for but really are you saying he has more rights to a house than a couple working for say Sainsbury on low wages but with a family(kids)?
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]Solomum why didn't his mum put his name on the rent book? Did she claim a single persons council tax? Do you think it's okay for a single person to live in a two-three bedroomed house whilst a young family are in a one bedroom flat? No tenants don't own it that's the point isn't it? But tenants get all repairs & modernisation's for free a private owner doesn't so while a tenant can have at least one holiday a owner has to pay for repairs so can't afford to go on holiday. I get it your a single mum or isn't that what solo stands for but really are you saying he has more rights to a house than a couple working for say Sainsbury on low wages but with a family(kids)? loosehead
  • Score: 3

8:51am Sat 29 Mar 14

Lifesurfer says...

loosehead wrote:
solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
Solomum why didn't his mum put his name on the rent book? Did she claim a single persons council tax?
Do you think it's okay for a single person to live in a two-three bedroomed house whilst a young family are in a one bedroom flat?
No tenants don't own it that's the point isn't it?
But tenants get all repairs & modernisation's for free a private owner doesn't so while a tenant can have at least one holiday a owner has to pay for repairs so can't afford to go on holiday.
I get it your a single mum or isn't that what solo stands for but really are you saying he has more rights to a house than a couple working for say Sainsbury on low wages but with a family(kids)?
He's asking for time to grieve and get his head together. Losing a loved one is stressful + to be made homeless as a vunerable person on top of this. I will leave you only imagine how this feels.

Also council not being helpful and currently no offer of ANY alternative accommodation.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]Solomum why didn't his mum put his name on the rent book? Did she claim a single persons council tax? Do you think it's okay for a single person to live in a two-three bedroomed house whilst a young family are in a one bedroom flat? No tenants don't own it that's the point isn't it? But tenants get all repairs & modernisation's for free a private owner doesn't so while a tenant can have at least one holiday a owner has to pay for repairs so can't afford to go on holiday. I get it your a single mum or isn't that what solo stands for but really are you saying he has more rights to a house than a couple working for say Sainsbury on low wages but with a family(kids)?[/p][/quote]He's asking for time to grieve and get his head together. Losing a loved one is stressful + to be made homeless as a vunerable person on top of this. I will leave you only imagine how this feels. Also council not being helpful and currently no offer of ANY alternative accommodation. Lifesurfer
  • Score: -1

11:35am Sat 29 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Lifesurfer wrote:
loosehead wrote:
solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
Solomum why didn't his mum put his name on the rent book? Did she claim a single persons council tax?
Do you think it's okay for a single person to live in a two-three bedroomed house whilst a young family are in a one bedroom flat?
No tenants don't own it that's the point isn't it?
But tenants get all repairs & modernisation's for free a private owner doesn't so while a tenant can have at least one holiday a owner has to pay for repairs so can't afford to go on holiday.
I get it your a single mum or isn't that what solo stands for but really are you saying he has more rights to a house than a couple working for say Sainsbury on low wages but with a family(kids)?
He's asking for time to grieve and get his head together. Losing a loved one is stressful + to be made homeless as a vunerable person on top of this. I will leave you only imagine how this feels.

Also council not being helpful and currently no offer of ANY alternative accommodation.
Sorry I can understand grieving but why wasn't he put on the rent book as he's now classed as a lodger & has been given time to move out.
If he's not capable of looking after himself he can go to the council or one of his friends can go with him.
Then the council have to rehouse him as they can't leave him homeless but would he be happy with a studio flat?
How long exactly does he need to grieve? my brother committed suicide when I was 30 I'm now 57 but still sit down & think about him & unlike a real man (supposedly) I cry so the grieving never goes away.
[quote][p][bold]Lifesurfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]Solomum why didn't his mum put his name on the rent book? Did she claim a single persons council tax? Do you think it's okay for a single person to live in a two-three bedroomed house whilst a young family are in a one bedroom flat? No tenants don't own it that's the point isn't it? But tenants get all repairs & modernisation's for free a private owner doesn't so while a tenant can have at least one holiday a owner has to pay for repairs so can't afford to go on holiday. I get it your a single mum or isn't that what solo stands for but really are you saying he has more rights to a house than a couple working for say Sainsbury on low wages but with a family(kids)?[/p][/quote]He's asking for time to grieve and get his head together. Losing a loved one is stressful + to be made homeless as a vunerable person on top of this. I will leave you only imagine how this feels. Also council not being helpful and currently no offer of ANY alternative accommodation.[/p][/quote]Sorry I can understand grieving but why wasn't he put on the rent book as he's now classed as a lodger & has been given time to move out. If he's not capable of looking after himself he can go to the council or one of his friends can go with him. Then the council have to rehouse him as they can't leave him homeless but would he be happy with a studio flat? How long exactly does he need to grieve? my brother committed suicide when I was 30 I'm now 57 but still sit down & think about him & unlike a real man (supposedly) I cry so the grieving never goes away. loosehead
  • Score: 2

11:38am Sat 29 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Lifesurfer wrote:
loosehead wrote:
solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
Solomum why didn't his mum put his name on the rent book? Did she claim a single persons council tax?
Do you think it's okay for a single person to live in a two-three bedroomed house whilst a young family are in a one bedroom flat?
No tenants don't own it that's the point isn't it?
But tenants get all repairs & modernisation's for free a private owner doesn't so while a tenant can have at least one holiday a owner has to pay for repairs so can't afford to go on holiday.
I get it your a single mum or isn't that what solo stands for but really are you saying he has more rights to a house than a couple working for say Sainsbury on low wages but with a family(kids)?
He's asking for time to grieve and get his head together. Losing a loved one is stressful + to be made homeless as a vunerable person on top of this. I will leave you only imagine how this feels.

Also council not being helpful and currently no offer of ANY alternative accommodation.
I've just re read the article & one month? If I'd taken more than a few days of work I'd have been in trouble so come on a month is plenty of time to cry it's now time to face the world & why is he no longer a builder?
Did his mum pay full council tax?
[quote][p][bold]Lifesurfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]Solomum why didn't his mum put his name on the rent book? Did she claim a single persons council tax? Do you think it's okay for a single person to live in a two-three bedroomed house whilst a young family are in a one bedroom flat? No tenants don't own it that's the point isn't it? But tenants get all repairs & modernisation's for free a private owner doesn't so while a tenant can have at least one holiday a owner has to pay for repairs so can't afford to go on holiday. I get it your a single mum or isn't that what solo stands for but really are you saying he has more rights to a house than a couple working for say Sainsbury on low wages but with a family(kids)?[/p][/quote]He's asking for time to grieve and get his head together. Losing a loved one is stressful + to be made homeless as a vunerable person on top of this. I will leave you only imagine how this feels. Also council not being helpful and currently no offer of ANY alternative accommodation.[/p][/quote]I've just re read the article & one month? If I'd taken more than a few days of work I'd have been in trouble so come on a month is plenty of time to cry it's now time to face the world & why is he no longer a builder? Did his mum pay full council tax? loosehead
  • Score: 0

11:38am Sat 29 Mar 14

seven777. says...

solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
An asset you say, well I would like to put a spin on that if I may, what has my 20 year mortgage really got me. Security, no if I cant pay im out. More money to spend having a life, no houses are a money pit in terms of maintenance and up keep. An asset, not really the state will take it away to pay for my care when I become old and infirm and I will end up in a bed next to the person who like me has fu@k all but decided to go down the council housing route. what hundreds of thousands paid over years has got me is choice about where I live but ultimately not much more than that.
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]An asset you say, well I would like to put a spin on that if I may, what has my 20 year mortgage really got me. Security, no if I cant pay im out. More money to spend having a life, no houses are a money pit in terms of maintenance and up keep. An asset, not really the state will take it away to pay for my care when I become old and infirm and I will end up in a bed next to the person who like me has fu@k all but decided to go down the council housing route. what hundreds of thousands paid over years has got me is choice about where I live but ultimately not much more than that. seven777.
  • Score: 4

11:40am Sat 29 Mar 14

loosehead says...

So 350 people have signed an online petition I wonder how many would if their daughter & her husband & Children were crammed in a one bedroom flat & they were waiting for a two bedroom house to come available?
So 350 people have signed an online petition I wonder how many would if their daughter & her husband & Children were crammed in a one bedroom flat & they were waiting for a two bedroom house to come available? loosehead
  • Score: 1

11:41am Sat 29 Mar 14

loosehead says...

seven777. wrote:
solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
An asset you say, well I would like to put a spin on that if I may, what has my 20 year mortgage really got me. Security, no if I cant pay im out. More money to spend having a life, no houses are a money pit in terms of maintenance and up keep. An asset, not really the state will take it away to pay for my care when I become old and infirm and I will end up in a bed next to the person who like me has fu@k all but decided to go down the council housing route. what hundreds of thousands paid over years has got me is choice about where I live but ultimately not much more than that.
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]seven777.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]An asset you say, well I would like to put a spin on that if I may, what has my 20 year mortgage really got me. Security, no if I cant pay im out. More money to spend having a life, no houses are a money pit in terms of maintenance and up keep. An asset, not really the state will take it away to pay for my care when I become old and infirm and I will end up in a bed next to the person who like me has fu@k all but decided to go down the council housing route. what hundreds of thousands paid over years has got me is choice about where I live but ultimately not much more than that.[/p][/quote]Well said! loosehead
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

loosehead wrote:
seven777. wrote:
solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
An asset you say, well I would like to put a spin on that if I may, what has my 20 year mortgage really got me. Security, no if I cant pay im out. More money to spend having a life, no houses are a money pit in terms of maintenance and up keep. An asset, not really the state will take it away to pay for my care when I become old and infirm and I will end up in a bed next to the person who like me has fu@k all but decided to go down the council housing route. what hundreds of thousands paid over years has got me is choice about where I live but ultimately not much more than that.
Well said!
Indeed well said. And you could add that if you live another 20 years and don't go into a "Retirement Palace" the State will rip your kids off nigh on 40% of the price of the house in the Death Tax because you can bet that between the Socialists and their Clegg-clones the Death Tax is never going to be rational and will bite deeper and deeper into what we little minnows ought to be able to leave.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seven777.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]An asset you say, well I would like to put a spin on that if I may, what has my 20 year mortgage really got me. Security, no if I cant pay im out. More money to spend having a life, no houses are a money pit in terms of maintenance and up keep. An asset, not really the state will take it away to pay for my care when I become old and infirm and I will end up in a bed next to the person who like me has fu@k all but decided to go down the council housing route. what hundreds of thousands paid over years has got me is choice about where I live but ultimately not much more than that.[/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Indeed well said. And you could add that if you live another 20 years and don't go into a "Retirement Palace" the State will rip your kids off nigh on 40% of the price of the house in the Death Tax because you can bet that between the Socialists and their Clegg-clones the Death Tax is never going to be rational and will bite deeper and deeper into what we little minnows ought to be able to leave. Dai Rear
  • Score: 5

2:55pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Dr Martin says...

Dai Rear wrote:
loosehead wrote:
seven777. wrote:
solomum wrote:
As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?
An asset you say, well I would like to put a spin on that if I may, what has my 20 year mortgage really got me. Security, no if I cant pay im out. More money to spend having a life, no houses are a money pit in terms of maintenance and up keep. An asset, not really the state will take it away to pay for my care when I become old and infirm and I will end up in a bed next to the person who like me has fu@k all but decided to go down the council housing route. what hundreds of thousands paid over years has got me is choice about where I live but ultimately not much more than that.
Well said!
Indeed well said. And you could add that if you live another 20 years and don't go into a "Retirement Palace" the State will rip your kids off nigh on 40% of the price of the house in the Death Tax because you can bet that between the Socialists and their Clegg-clones the Death Tax is never going to be rational and will bite deeper and deeper into what we little minnows ought to be able to leave.
@Dai http://www.southwale
sargus.co.uk/news/le
tters/11110594.Canna
bis_facts/
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seven777.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: As usual this site is full of heartless, uncaring people who can never put themselves in anyone else's shoes. This is not a case of someone wanting more than they are entitled to, but this gentleman's whole life is in this house. Most people are not robots who can just leave their life and memories behind and move, but people with feelings and emotions. I am fully behind this gentleman being allowed to stay in the home that he has lived in for his whole life. As for those who are so proud to be home owners, tenants pay rent just as you pay a mortgage, except they never have an asset at the end of it. Why should someone be forced to give up their home that has been paid for several times over compared to the life of a mortgage?[/p][/quote]An asset you say, well I would like to put a spin on that if I may, what has my 20 year mortgage really got me. Security, no if I cant pay im out. More money to spend having a life, no houses are a money pit in terms of maintenance and up keep. An asset, not really the state will take it away to pay for my care when I become old and infirm and I will end up in a bed next to the person who like me has fu@k all but decided to go down the council housing route. what hundreds of thousands paid over years has got me is choice about where I live but ultimately not much more than that.[/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Indeed well said. And you could add that if you live another 20 years and don't go into a "Retirement Palace" the State will rip your kids off nigh on 40% of the price of the house in the Death Tax because you can bet that between the Socialists and their Clegg-clones the Death Tax is never going to be rational and will bite deeper and deeper into what we little minnows ought to be able to leave.[/p][/quote]@Dai http://www.southwale sargus.co.uk/news/le tters/11110594.Canna bis_facts/ Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

8:48pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

I have always posted on here, and believed, that Tories dont know the meaning of "Care".
.
Reading some of these posts does NOTHING to change my mind
I have always posted on here, and believed, that Tories dont know the meaning of "Care". . Reading some of these posts does NOTHING to change my mind Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -4

10:28pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Lifesurfer says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules.
So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to.
You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing?
Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go.
LH that's not like you, you are not normally that hard hearted, he has to go 'thems the Rules', but where to?
If you read it properly my friend I'd have thought he'd be offered a studio flat which is what a single person is deemed to need.
If he's homeless the council will have to house him so surely instead of going to press his fiends should have taken him to the council & put it to them he'd be happy with single person accommodation.
But I think the problem is he wants to stay in a two bedroomed house & I think that's wrong.
Problem is Council are currently offering NOTHING other than homelessness.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: This guy can't have been on the rent book can he? He's in a two bedroomed house & as a single person he's only entitled to a studio flat under councils rules. So if they offer him such accommodation then he has no right to complain as that's all he's entitled to. You can't claim a council house as your family home as it's not can you sell it? can you make major alterations to it & submit plans to do such a thing? Can you put on Solar panels ? the answer is NO as it's owned by the council & if it exceeds the councils guidelines for a single persons needs then tough you have to go.[/p][/quote]LH that's not like you, you are not normally that hard hearted, he has to go 'thems the Rules', but where to?[/p][/quote]If you read it properly my friend I'd have thought he'd be offered a studio flat which is what a single person is deemed to need. If he's homeless the council will have to house him so surely instead of going to press his fiends should have taken him to the council & put it to them he'd be happy with single person accommodation. But I think the problem is he wants to stay in a two bedroomed house & I think that's wrong.[/p][/quote]Problem is Council are currently offering NOTHING other than homelessness. Lifesurfer
  • Score: 1

8:46am Sun 30 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
I have always posted on here, and believed, that Tories dont know the meaning of "Care".
.
Reading some of these posts does NOTHING to change my mind
No indeed. It is the unique quality of the left. Mao and Stalin were the 2 most caring people there have ever been and I don't know why they didn't get Nobel Prizes.
Try reading Hayek. Spending other people's money on other people is not "caring" which is an individual characteristic-like chastity for example. If you accept that a political party can't be chaste then I'm afraid you're going to have to accept that "caring-ness" as a group characteristic is a total chimera. But the same nonsense will be spouted by the left time and again. If you repeat the Big Lie often enough the more dim- witted end up believing it.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I have always posted on here, and believed, that Tories dont know the meaning of "Care". . Reading some of these posts does NOTHING to change my mind[/p][/quote]No indeed. It is the unique quality of the left. Mao and Stalin were the 2 most caring people there have ever been and I don't know why they didn't get Nobel Prizes. Try reading Hayek. Spending other people's money on other people is not "caring" which is an individual characteristic-like chastity for example. If you accept that a political party can't be chaste then I'm afraid you're going to have to accept that "caring-ness" as a group characteristic is a total chimera. But the same nonsense will be spouted by the left time and again. If you repeat the Big Lie often enough the more dim- witted end up believing it. Dai Rear
  • Score: 5

9:10am Sun 30 Mar 14

davidsouth1 says...

Well you do not own the house and are currently not paying a penny towards it so where is your sense of entitlement coming from. Your late mother cannot pass on a property that she never owned. This is a 2 bedroom property and you only need a 1 bed property, so therefore it should be allocated to someone who needs it more. If you don't like it I suggest you find a private landlord or buy your own home.
Well you do not own the house and are currently not paying a penny towards it so where is your sense of entitlement coming from. Your late mother cannot pass on a property that she never owned. This is a 2 bedroom property and you only need a 1 bed property, so therefore it should be allocated to someone who needs it more. If you don't like it I suggest you find a private landlord or buy your own home. davidsouth1
  • Score: 1

9:56am Sun 30 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I have always posted on here, and believed, that Tories dont know the meaning of "Care".
.
Reading some of these posts does NOTHING to change my mind
No indeed. It is the unique quality of the left. Mao and Stalin were the 2 most caring people there have ever been and I don't know why they didn't get Nobel Prizes.
Try reading Hayek. Spending other people's money on other people is not "caring" which is an individual characteristic-like chastity for example. If you accept that a political party can't be chaste then I'm afraid you're going to have to accept that "caring-ness" as a group characteristic is a total chimera. But the same nonsense will be spouted by the left time and again. If you repeat the Big Lie often enough the more dim- witted end up believing it.
Quote:- "If you repeat the Big Lie often enough the more dim- witted end up believing it."
.
Yes you are correct ........ and you post the PERFECT example ...... well done ....... as if more confirmation of my belief was needed
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I have always posted on here, and believed, that Tories dont know the meaning of "Care". . Reading some of these posts does NOTHING to change my mind[/p][/quote]No indeed. It is the unique quality of the left. Mao and Stalin were the 2 most caring people there have ever been and I don't know why they didn't get Nobel Prizes. Try reading Hayek. Spending other people's money on other people is not "caring" which is an individual characteristic-like chastity for example. If you accept that a political party can't be chaste then I'm afraid you're going to have to accept that "caring-ness" as a group characteristic is a total chimera. But the same nonsense will be spouted by the left time and again. If you repeat the Big Lie often enough the more dim- witted end up believing it.[/p][/quote]Quote:- "If you repeat the Big Lie often enough the more dim- witted end up believing it." . Yes you are correct ........ and you post the PERFECT example ...... well done ....... as if more confirmation of my belief was needed Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -5

10:28am Sun 30 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Lone Ranger. Yep and you're fat and you got big ears. Yah boo sucks. If you can think of ANYTHING that political parties do when in power other than get cash and spend cash, ANYTHING that gives any coherent use of the purely individual human attribute "caring" then go ahead. And if you can't then , like Gary's neighbours (I presume) visit him and offer him a room in your home. That would make you caring though of course many of his neighbours who've done the same thing may, horror of horrors, vote Conservative or more likely UKIP, because they all look very sensible people.
Lone Ranger. Yep and you're fat and you got big ears. Yah boo sucks. If you can think of ANYTHING that political parties do when in power other than get cash and spend cash, ANYTHING that gives any coherent use of the purely individual human attribute "caring" then go ahead. And if you can't then , like Gary's neighbours (I presume) visit him and offer him a room in your home. That would make you caring though of course many of his neighbours who've done the same thing may, horror of horrors, vote Conservative or more likely UKIP, because they all look very sensible people. Dai Rear
  • Score: 7

11:01am Sun 30 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Lone Ranger. Yep and you're fat and you got big ears. Yah boo sucks. If you can think of ANYTHING that political parties do when in power other than get cash and spend cash, ANYTHING that gives any coherent use of the purely individual human attribute "caring" then go ahead. And if you can't then , like Gary's neighbours (I presume) visit him and offer him a room in your home. That would make you caring though of course many of his neighbours who've done the same thing may, horror of horrors, vote Conservative or more likely UKIP, because they all look very sensible people.
>>>>>>> vote Conservative or more likely UKIP, because they all look very sensible people.
.
Yep they do ........ compared to your view on life and people.
.
Fat and big ears ....... LOL ...... my ears arent that big
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger. Yep and you're fat and you got big ears. Yah boo sucks. If you can think of ANYTHING that political parties do when in power other than get cash and spend cash, ANYTHING that gives any coherent use of the purely individual human attribute "caring" then go ahead. And if you can't then , like Gary's neighbours (I presume) visit him and offer him a room in your home. That would make you caring though of course many of his neighbours who've done the same thing may, horror of horrors, vote Conservative or more likely UKIP, because they all look very sensible people.[/p][/quote]>>>>>>> vote Conservative or more likely UKIP, because they all look very sensible people. . Yep they do ........ compared to your view on life and people. . Fat and big ears ....... LOL ...... my ears arent that big Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -7

3:02pm Sun 30 Mar 14

smith62 says...

forest hump wrote:
Might SS wrote:
What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others.
What about families that need housing? There are plenty of available properties out there. This country will go to the dogs if undeserved freeloaders are continued to be supported. See comment from Mr Spark! 100% agree! Get off your lardy backsides and earn a living. And for the Government.. STOP child allowance after 2nd birth. I am tired of these brat-laden pushchairs (god help the kids!) blocking the shop counters whilst their bone idle mothers' buy scratch cards and cigarettes. Let us hope Darwin was correct on some counts
Not every mother that is in a shop with a pushchair is bone idle! Im a working mother of 3 children, albeit part-time but that's justbe cause of the cost of childcare! If i were to work full time i would be paying for someone else to look after my children, and if there are plenty of property's then why is the waiting list 10 years long, not everyone can afford to buy you know!
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others.[/p][/quote]What about families that need housing? There are plenty of available properties out there. This country will go to the dogs if undeserved freeloaders are continued to be supported. See comment from Mr Spark! 100% agree! Get off your lardy backsides and earn a living. And for the Government.. STOP child allowance after 2nd birth. I am tired of these brat-laden pushchairs (god help the kids!) blocking the shop counters whilst their bone idle mothers' buy scratch cards and cigarettes. Let us hope Darwin was correct on some counts[/p][/quote]Not every mother that is in a shop with a pushchair is bone idle! Im a working mother of 3 children, albeit part-time but that's justbe cause of the cost of childcare! If i were to work full time i would be paying for someone else to look after my children, and if there are plenty of property's then why is the waiting list 10 years long, not everyone can afford to buy you know! smith62
  • Score: -1

3:50pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

"why is the waiting list 10 years long, not everyone can afford to buy you know! "Because if your butcher advertised fillet steak at £8 a kilo the queue would block the High Street. Public housing is very cheap so lots of people would like it. Does that help?
"why is the waiting list 10 years long, not everyone can afford to buy you know! "Because if your butcher advertised fillet steak at £8 a kilo the queue would block the High Street. Public housing is very cheap so lots of people would like it. Does that help? Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

4:17pm Sun 30 Mar 14

forest hump says...

smith62 wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Might SS wrote:
What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others.
What about families that need housing? There are plenty of available properties out there. This country will go to the dogs if undeserved freeloaders are continued to be supported. See comment from Mr Spark! 100% agree! Get off your lardy backsides and earn a living. And for the Government.. STOP child allowance after 2nd birth. I am tired of these brat-laden pushchairs (god help the kids!) blocking the shop counters whilst their bone idle mothers' buy scratch cards and cigarettes. Let us hope Darwin was correct on some counts
Not every mother that is in a shop with a pushchair is bone idle! Im a working mother of 3 children, albeit part-time but that's justbe cause of the cost of childcare! If i were to work full time i would be paying for someone else to look after my children, and if there are plenty of property's then why is the waiting list 10 years long, not everyone can afford to buy you know!
Did I say "every mother"? Read the script before spouting? If you can't afford kids then shame on you for having them. Get some where to live and then have kids. Oh and there are other places apart from the council freeloaders list.
[quote][p][bold]smith62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Might SS[/bold] wrote: What about all the families that need housing - those with kids overcrowded in a one bedroom property and need two bedrooms. People always think of themselves and not others.[/p][/quote]What about families that need housing? There are plenty of available properties out there. This country will go to the dogs if undeserved freeloaders are continued to be supported. See comment from Mr Spark! 100% agree! Get off your lardy backsides and earn a living. And for the Government.. STOP child allowance after 2nd birth. I am tired of these brat-laden pushchairs (god help the kids!) blocking the shop counters whilst their bone idle mothers' buy scratch cards and cigarettes. Let us hope Darwin was correct on some counts[/p][/quote]Not every mother that is in a shop with a pushchair is bone idle! Im a working mother of 3 children, albeit part-time but that's justbe cause of the cost of childcare! If i were to work full time i would be paying for someone else to look after my children, and if there are plenty of property's then why is the waiting list 10 years long, not everyone can afford to buy you know![/p][/quote]Did I say "every mother"? Read the script before spouting? If you can't afford kids then shame on you for having them. Get some where to live and then have kids. Oh and there are other places apart from the council freeloaders list. forest hump
  • Score: 2

2:04pm Wed 2 Apr 14

From the sidelines says...

Superchick wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
S Pance wrote:
The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing!

See? Works both ways..
Up to a point, Lord Copper.

However, the brats referenced above are unlikely to contribute to society in any meaningful way.
Sorry but the way u refer to children is disgusting and u should be ashamed of yourselfs. I dont know how anyone can refer to children in such a way. These childrens futures may turn out to be better than ur own so that comment was completely ridiculous.
You might be right.

But I'd wager money on you being wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Superchick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: The children of today are the taxpayer of tomorrow...remember that when you are old and grey and sat on your backside doing nothing! See? Works both ways..[/p][/quote]Up to a point, Lord Copper. However, the brats referenced above are unlikely to contribute to society in any meaningful way.[/p][/quote]Sorry but the way u refer to children is disgusting and u should be ashamed of yourselfs. I dont know how anyone can refer to children in such a way. These childrens futures may turn out to be better than ur own so that comment was completely ridiculous.[/p][/quote]You might be right. But I'd wager money on you being wrong. From the sidelines
  • Score: 2

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