Metal loading at docks ‘sounds like a war zone’

Metal loading at docks ‘sounds like a war zone’

Metal loading at docks ‘sounds like a war zone’

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Health Reporter

IT has been blamed for giving Southampton residents sleepless nights.

The city’s port has recently taken flak for its part in causing traffic gridlock throughout the city.

And now residents are calling for an end to scrap metal loading at the docks claiming there is noise throughout the night and sounds “like a war zone”.

Speaking at a meeting of the Western Docks Consultation Forum, a residents’ group set up to keep an eye on traffic and environment issues in Redbridge, Millbrook and Freemantle, retired refinery worker Gary Lucas called on the council to get involved and stop the problem.

Mr Lucas, 70, of Vulcan Road, Millbrook, said: “If I made a noise in my road and the neighbours complained, the council would do something about it. The docks are my neighbours and they make horrendous noises so where do we go from here?

“I’ve spoken to the environmental health department and I was told it was a 24-hour operation and there was nothing that could be done.

“It’s been a problem on and off for three years, I’ve had to have double glazing put in and I can’t leave my windows open because it sounds like World War Three out there.”

Forum chairman Michael Clarke added: “I’ve been visited by an irate young lady saying the scrap metal makes so much noise it sounds like a war zone.”

Cllr Jacqui Rayment, responsible for traffic and the environment, said the port was sometimes a “bad neighbour” but the council had little power to silence the work.

She said: “We are a port city and that brings its positives and negatives. We can talk to the port, negotiate with them and try to influence their decisions but the dockland is not our jurisdiction.

“Some of the things the port does makes it a bad neighbour but we cannot stop these things on port land.”

The forum has launched the Scrap the Scrap Campaign and is urging local residents to log complaints whenever they are disturbed by noise from the port late at night via the council or by visiting wdcf.org.

ABP director, Southampton, Nick Ridehalgh said the port was “committed to being a good neighbour” and tried to minimise disruption.

He said: “Recycled metals and dry bulks form an important constituent of the port’s overall business mix. “Since metal for recycling was first handled on the port estate in 2009, the management plan governing this activity has been updated as and when appropriate, as we continuously look to respond to feedback and reduce its impact.

“That is also why noise levels are monitored before, during and after every ship call for recycled metal and have an emergency number for people to contact.

“There have been 12 scrap metal ships handled at the port since January 2013, which equates to one day of activity in every 10 and we have received no complaints for the past six months.”

Meanwhile, Cllr Rayment again defended the council over the traffic problems caused by the combination of cruise ships at the port and the roadworks near dock gate four.

She said: “You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs. Everyone moans about the state of the roads but we have been given a £12m Government grant to improve waterfront access to the port.

“The roadworks on their own are a pain but the end result will be great.”

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11:42am Mon 31 Mar 14

sotonbusdriver says...

This noise isn't just recent like the article is trying to point out.. The noise has been on going for years and years...
Complaints to the Health&Safety, Environmental Health and the Port Authority has totally fallen on deaf ears.
According to the Environmental Health dept. when I have rung them on endless occasions. The ambient noise level in Southampton at night is several decibels higher than anywhere else. And as residents we have just taken it on the chin without protest. So it has allowed the docks to slowly increase their noise levels year on year and nothing is done to protect us.
In the Freemantle ward, through to Millbrook, along the main dual carriageway is the height of where it can be heard, but there have been reports from the top ends of Hill Lane, and right out at Swaythling.. But although the environmental health have worked out the docks are behind there reports of noise, they are reluctant to let those that complain know the source at times.
Banging, crashing of scrap metal, being dropped, constant banging where containers are dropped or knock into each other. Also we've suffered from loud motor noise's relating to generators on container ships in port, being run with faulty silencers...
It is not just odd nights but, constant, the only peaceful nights are the 2 over xmas, when they wind down for the Christmas holidays
This noise isn't just recent like the article is trying to point out.. The noise has been on going for years and years... Complaints to the Health&Safety, Environmental Health and the Port Authority has totally fallen on deaf ears. According to the Environmental Health dept. when I have rung them on endless occasions. The ambient noise level in Southampton at night is several decibels higher than anywhere else. And as residents we have just taken it on the chin without protest. So it has allowed the docks to slowly increase their noise levels year on year and nothing is done to protect us. In the Freemantle ward, through to Millbrook, along the main dual carriageway is the height of where it can be heard, but there have been reports from the top ends of Hill Lane, and right out at Swaythling.. But although the environmental health have worked out the docks are behind there reports of noise, they are reluctant to let those that complain know the source at times. Banging, crashing of scrap metal, being dropped, constant banging where containers are dropped or knock into each other. Also we've suffered from loud motor noise's relating to generators on container ships in port, being run with faulty silencers... It is not just odd nights but, constant, the only peaceful nights are the 2 over xmas, when they wind down for the Christmas holidays sotonbusdriver
  • Score: -1

11:53am Mon 31 Mar 14

loosehead says...

How many of these residents bought or moved into council houses knowing there was an active port on their doorstep?
There was the stink from the sausage factory & the Sewage works plus other outlets yet we took on a council house in Freshfield rd (mum & dad) even though you can turn one down.
I've heard complaints about container straddles working at night? I'm 57 & we moved into Freshfield rd when I was 3 & there wasn't a container port yet when it was built & they ran at night no one complained as it was jobs.
Now this scrap metal problem could be moved or at least the sound could be lowered with a big Bio Mass building in between the scrap metal loading & the residents but these residents oppose it ?
So don't move next to the docks don't buy next to the docks if you want a peaceful country life is the answer.
How many of these residents bought or moved into council houses knowing there was an active port on their doorstep? There was the stink from the sausage factory & the Sewage works plus other outlets yet we took on a council house in Freshfield rd (mum & dad) even though you can turn one down. I've heard complaints about container straddles working at night? I'm 57 & we moved into Freshfield rd when I was 3 & there wasn't a container port yet when it was built & they ran at night no one complained as it was jobs. Now this scrap metal problem could be moved or at least the sound could be lowered with a big Bio Mass building in between the scrap metal loading & the residents but these residents oppose it ? So don't move next to the docks don't buy next to the docks if you want a peaceful country life is the answer. loosehead
  • Score: 4

12:40pm Mon 31 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

One of the saddest things about this country is it's daytime only economy. Why must everything be quiet at night? Time waits for no man I'm afraid, every city should be 24 hour.
One of the saddest things about this country is it's daytime only economy. Why must everything be quiet at night? Time waits for no man I'm afraid, every city should be 24 hour. bigfella777
  • Score: 4

12:59pm Mon 31 Mar 14

The Mad Dog says...

Buy/rent a house near the docks then moan about the noise.
Buy/rent a house near Empress Road /Derby Road then moan about the 'ladies of the night'.
Buy/rent a house in 'the country' then moan about the animal noise and smells.
Buy/rent a house in a quiet little village then moan about the church bells.
Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, some people are never happy unless they're moaning.
Choose your house, choose your area, decide what you can live with (noise or smell or whatever) and then get on with your life.
Yes, I know 'its changed' but that's called progress, get over it.
Buy/rent a house near the docks then moan about the noise. Buy/rent a house near Empress Road /Derby Road then moan about the 'ladies of the night'. Buy/rent a house in 'the country' then moan about the animal noise and smells. Buy/rent a house in a quiet little village then moan about the church bells. Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, some people are never happy unless they're moaning. Choose your house, choose your area, decide what you can live with (noise or smell or whatever) and then get on with your life. Yes, I know 'its changed' but that's called progress, get over it. The Mad Dog
  • Score: 10

1:17pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

I wonder if Mr Lucas shared the concerns of the refinery's neighbours who complained about the noise and smell from the site which also operates on a 24 hour basis. The docks in Southampton were there well before any of the nearby residents were born and they can't move to a house adjacent to a large industrial complex and then complain about the impact on their lives.
I wonder if Mr Lucas shared the concerns of the refinery's neighbours who complained about the noise and smell from the site which also operates on a 24 hour basis. The docks in Southampton were there well before any of the nearby residents were born and they can't move to a house adjacent to a large industrial complex and then complain about the impact on their lives. Torchie1
  • Score: 4

1:28pm Mon 31 Mar 14

The Wickham Man says...

loosehead wrote:
How many of these residents bought or moved into council houses knowing there was an active port on their doorstep?
There was the stink from the sausage factory & the Sewage works plus other outlets yet we took on a council house in Freshfield rd (mum & dad) even though you can turn one down.
I've heard complaints about container straddles working at night? I'm 57 & we moved into Freshfield rd when I was 3 & there wasn't a container port yet when it was built & they ran at night no one complained as it was jobs.
Now this scrap metal problem could be moved or at least the sound could be lowered with a big Bio Mass building in between the scrap metal loading & the residents but these residents oppose it ?
So don't move next to the docks don't buy next to the docks if you want a peaceful country life is the answer.
Well said. . Back in the sixties there would have been other industrial sounds that exceeded the current noise, so this is not a recent phenomenon. Loose wagon shunting to give just one example would have taken place at night. If you list all the random noises on any typical night around Fremantle there would be hundreds of lorries, cars, trains, not to mention shouting and yeling from drunks.......all of which make the loading opf scrap just part of the general backdrop. The only real problem here is local councillors trying to buy votes promising all kinds of job destroying measures just to appease residents' "action" groups.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: How many of these residents bought or moved into council houses knowing there was an active port on their doorstep? There was the stink from the sausage factory & the Sewage works plus other outlets yet we took on a council house in Freshfield rd (mum & dad) even though you can turn one down. I've heard complaints about container straddles working at night? I'm 57 & we moved into Freshfield rd when I was 3 & there wasn't a container port yet when it was built & they ran at night no one complained as it was jobs. Now this scrap metal problem could be moved or at least the sound could be lowered with a big Bio Mass building in between the scrap metal loading & the residents but these residents oppose it ? So don't move next to the docks don't buy next to the docks if you want a peaceful country life is the answer.[/p][/quote]Well said. . Back in the sixties there would have been other industrial sounds that exceeded the current noise, so this is not a recent phenomenon. Loose wagon shunting to give just one example would have taken place at night. If you list all the random noises on any typical night around Fremantle there would be hundreds of lorries, cars, trains, not to mention shouting and yeling from drunks.......all of which make the loading opf scrap just part of the general backdrop. The only real problem here is local councillors trying to buy votes promising all kinds of job destroying measures just to appease residents' "action" groups. The Wickham Man
  • Score: 1

1:37pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Phototoxin says...

I can hear the occasional clang from Shirley.
I can hear the occasional clang from Shirley. Phototoxin
  • Score: -1

1:38pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Tenderhearts wife says...

The Mad Dog wrote:
Buy/rent a house near the docks then moan about the noise.
Buy/rent a house near Empress Road /Derby Road then moan about the 'ladies of the night'.
Buy/rent a house in 'the country' then moan about the animal noise and smells.
Buy/rent a house in a quiet little village then moan about the church bells.
Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, some people are never happy unless they're moaning.
Choose your house, choose your area, decide what you can live with (noise or smell or whatever) and then get on with your life.
Yes, I know 'its changed' but that's called progress, get over it.
I live in Bitterne and when the wind is in the right (or maybe wrong) direction we can also hear the metal being loaded and we are 5 miles away.
[quote][p][bold]The Mad Dog[/bold] wrote: Buy/rent a house near the docks then moan about the noise. Buy/rent a house near Empress Road /Derby Road then moan about the 'ladies of the night'. Buy/rent a house in 'the country' then moan about the animal noise and smells. Buy/rent a house in a quiet little village then moan about the church bells. Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, some people are never happy unless they're moaning. Choose your house, choose your area, decide what you can live with (noise or smell or whatever) and then get on with your life. Yes, I know 'its changed' but that's called progress, get over it.[/p][/quote]I live in Bitterne and when the wind is in the right (or maybe wrong) direction we can also hear the metal being loaded and we are 5 miles away. Tenderhearts wife
  • Score: -5

2:12pm Mon 31 Mar 14

FreemantleJamez says...

The noise during the night has certainly increased over the past few years, fairly often there is a loud droning noise from a ships generator.
The noise during the night has certainly increased over the past few years, fairly often there is a loud droning noise from a ships generator. FreemantleJamez
  • Score: 1

2:36pm Mon 31 Mar 14

eurogordi says...

The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!! eurogordi
  • Score: -1

2:40pm Mon 31 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

A few years ago there were over thirty steam locos based in the Docks, I am sure it must have been fairly noisy in those days with wagons clattering around and cranes loading and unloading etc.
A few years ago there were over thirty steam locos based in the Docks, I am sure it must have been fairly noisy in those days with wagons clattering around and cranes loading and unloading etc. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

2:41pm Mon 31 Mar 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

eurogordi wrote:
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!![/p][/quote]Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 3

2:48pm Mon 31 Mar 14

phil maccavity says...

Tenderhearts wife wrote:
The Mad Dog wrote:
Buy/rent a house near the docks then moan about the noise.
Buy/rent a house near Empress Road /Derby Road then moan about the 'ladies of the night'.
Buy/rent a house in 'the country' then moan about the animal noise and smells.
Buy/rent a house in a quiet little village then moan about the church bells.
Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, some people are never happy unless they're moaning.
Choose your house, choose your area, decide what you can live with (noise or smell or whatever) and then get on with your life.
Yes, I know 'its changed' but that's called progress, get over it.
I live in Bitterne and when the wind is in the right (or maybe wrong) direction we can also hear the metal being loaded and we are 5 miles away.
There a scrap loading operation on the River Itchen which can be seen from from Northam Bridge as you head into town?

Must have been there for 40 - 50 years.

Much closer to Bitterne I would suggest
[quote][p][bold]Tenderhearts wife[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Mad Dog[/bold] wrote: Buy/rent a house near the docks then moan about the noise. Buy/rent a house near Empress Road /Derby Road then moan about the 'ladies of the night'. Buy/rent a house in 'the country' then moan about the animal noise and smells. Buy/rent a house in a quiet little village then moan about the church bells. Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, some people are never happy unless they're moaning. Choose your house, choose your area, decide what you can live with (noise or smell or whatever) and then get on with your life. Yes, I know 'its changed' but that's called progress, get over it.[/p][/quote]I live in Bitterne and when the wind is in the right (or maybe wrong) direction we can also hear the metal being loaded and we are 5 miles away.[/p][/quote]There a scrap loading operation on the River Itchen which can be seen from from Northam Bridge as you head into town? Must have been there for 40 - 50 years. Much closer to Bitterne I would suggest phil maccavity
  • Score: 5

3:37pm Mon 31 Mar 14

geoff51 says...

The Docks are the lifeblood of Southampton and its surrounds and the City would probably not exist if it was not for them.
If you don't like the noise in your subsidised Council/Housing association property, the buy a house in the middle of nowhere. Cant afford it? then learn to live with it cos there are 12k people on the waiting list for your house!
The Docks are the lifeblood of Southampton and its surrounds and the City would probably not exist if it was not for them. If you don't like the noise in your subsidised Council/Housing association property, the buy a house in the middle of nowhere. Cant afford it? then learn to live with it cos there are 12k people on the waiting list for your house! geoff51
  • Score: 2

3:52pm Mon 31 Mar 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?
that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!![/p][/quote]Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?[/p][/quote]that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees loosehead
  • Score: -2

4:00pm Mon 31 Mar 14

loosehead says...

I live in Lordshill not far from Redbridge & we can hear the straddle cranes at night in the summer but I'd rather have a summers night & people doing a job than winter nights to cover the noise.
We use to have a lot of low flying emergency Helicopters overhead & weren't they noisy now they're gone people miss them.
I left Freshfield Rd & when I went back I could smell the Sewage Farm & it was terrible but we got use to it when I lived there permanently & none of us said shut the sewage farm as we knew it was needed.
the reclaimed Western Shore was earmarked for Dock use so when it went we never complained. Millbrook Point we did complain.
But let's get it right many of the residents of Millbrook (not the estate) Freshfield,Victory,B
eech & Testwood Roads had or knew of family who worked in the docks so to complain would or could have lost them their jobs so we got use to the smell & the noise up to the point we no longer noticed it so exactly who is it complaining?
I live in Lordshill not far from Redbridge & we can hear the straddle cranes at night in the summer but I'd rather have a summers night & people doing a job than winter nights to cover the noise. We use to have a lot of low flying emergency Helicopters overhead & weren't they noisy now they're gone people miss them. I left Freshfield Rd & when I went back I could smell the Sewage Farm & it was terrible but we got use to it when I lived there permanently & none of us said shut the sewage farm as we knew it was needed. the reclaimed Western Shore was earmarked for Dock use so when it went we never complained. Millbrook Point we did complain. But let's get it right many of the residents of Millbrook (not the estate) Freshfield,Victory,B eech & Testwood Roads had or knew of family who worked in the docks so to complain would or could have lost them their jobs so we got use to the smell & the noise up to the point we no longer noticed it so exactly who is it complaining? loosehead
  • Score: 0

4:43pm Mon 31 Mar 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?
that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees
You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp
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The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!![/p][/quote]Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?[/p][/quote]that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees[/p][/quote]You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp ton.gov.uk/Images/19 %20Part%206%20-%20Me mbers%20Allowance%20 Scheme_tcm46-262480. pdf The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 3

6:07pm Mon 31 Mar 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?
that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees
You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp

ton.gov.uk/Images/19

%20Part%206%20-%20Me

mbers%20Allowance%20

Scheme_tcm46-262480.

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The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.
Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk.
Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income.
I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!![/p][/quote]Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?[/p][/quote]that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees[/p][/quote]You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp ton.gov.uk/Images/19 %20Part%206%20-%20Me mbers%20Allowance%20 Scheme_tcm46-262480. pdf The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.[/p][/quote]Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk. Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income. I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Mon 31 Mar 14

southamptonadi says...

A first I agree with mr Jeff.

Sounds like a war zone, bit over the top, I lived in freemantle for years never bothered me. They should all go to a real war zone I can only imagine how different it is.

It's been of and on for three years, more like three centuries, another over the top comment this time by me, Wonder if he's just moved in. Whys it a problem last three years they been banging for much longer. House prices not going up enough for them.
A first I agree with mr Jeff. Sounds like a war zone, bit over the top, I lived in freemantle for years never bothered me. They should all go to a real war zone I can only imagine how different it is. It's been of and on for three years, more like three centuries, another over the top comment this time by me, Wonder if he's just moved in. Whys it a problem last three years they been banging for much longer. House prices not going up enough for them. southamptonadi
  • Score: 3

8:32pm Mon 31 Mar 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?
that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees
You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp


ton.gov.uk/Images/19


%20Part%206%20-%20Me


mbers%20Allowance%20


Scheme_tcm46-262480.


pdf
The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.
Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk.
Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income.
I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?
The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right.

The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!![/p][/quote]Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?[/p][/quote]that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees[/p][/quote]You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp ton.gov.uk/Images/19 %20Part%206%20-%20Me mbers%20Allowance%20 Scheme_tcm46-262480. pdf The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.[/p][/quote]Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk. Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income. I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?[/p][/quote]The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right. The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

8:36pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

the people complaing obviously don't realise that ships can't always be loaded/un-loaded during the day because those ships often have to come in and go out with the high tides, the only ships that have to do the opposite are the Cemex ships which need the low tide to fit under the Itchen bridge and even then they barely fit with the radio/light/satellit
e mast folded down and they drag on the river bed when they're fully loaded.
the people complaing obviously don't realise that ships can't always be loaded/un-loaded during the day because those ships often have to come in and go out with the high tides, the only ships that have to do the opposite are the Cemex ships which need the low tide to fit under the Itchen bridge and even then they barely fit with the radio/light/satellit e mast folded down and they drag on the river bed when they're fully loaded. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

11:20am Tue 1 Apr 14

forest hump says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
the people complaing obviously don't realise that ships can't always be loaded/un-loaded during the day because those ships often have to come in and go out with the high tides, the only ships that have to do the opposite are the Cemex ships which need the low tide to fit under the Itchen bridge and even then they barely fit with the radio/light/satellit

e mast folded down and they drag on the river bed when they're fully loaded.
Naive answer. Ever heard of demurrage?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: the people complaing obviously don't realise that ships can't always be loaded/un-loaded during the day because those ships often have to come in and go out with the high tides, the only ships that have to do the opposite are the Cemex ships which need the low tide to fit under the Itchen bridge and even then they barely fit with the radio/light/satellit e mast folded down and they drag on the river bed when they're fully loaded.[/p][/quote]Naive answer. Ever heard of demurrage? forest hump
  • Score: -3

11:30am Tue 1 Apr 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?
that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees
You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp



ton.gov.uk/Images/19



%20Part%206%20-%20Me



mbers%20Allowance%20



Scheme_tcm46-262480.



pdf
The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.
Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk.
Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income.
I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?
The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right.

The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train.
When the Tories were in power we had Labour supporters.Union activists coming on this website making claims on how much the Tory councillors were getting paid funny how that's now being rebuked by you?
Okay so the Police authority wasn't a great example but look at each councillor see what their duties are then see their pay & you'll see a difference.
As for all councillors taking a 5.5% pay cut YES all Tory & Liberal councillors took that cut Labour didn't.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!![/p][/quote]Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?[/p][/quote]that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees[/p][/quote]You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp ton.gov.uk/Images/19 %20Part%206%20-%20Me mbers%20Allowance%20 Scheme_tcm46-262480. pdf The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.[/p][/quote]Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk. Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income. I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?[/p][/quote]The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right. The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train.[/p][/quote]When the Tories were in power we had Labour supporters.Union activists coming on this website making claims on how much the Tory councillors were getting paid funny how that's now being rebuked by you? Okay so the Police authority wasn't a great example but look at each councillor see what their duties are then see their pay & you'll see a difference. As for all councillors taking a 5.5% pay cut YES all Tory & Liberal councillors took that cut Labour didn't. loosehead
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Tue 1 Apr 14

phil maccavity says...

forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
the people complaing obviously don't realise that ships can't always be loaded/un-loaded during the day because those ships often have to come in and go out with the high tides, the only ships that have to do the opposite are the Cemex ships which need the low tide to fit under the Itchen bridge and even then they barely fit with the radio/light/satellit


e mast folded down and they drag on the river bed when they're fully loaded.
Naive answer. Ever heard of demurrage?
Forest
Genuinely interested in the relevance of demurrage to this
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: the people complaing obviously don't realise that ships can't always be loaded/un-loaded during the day because those ships often have to come in and go out with the high tides, the only ships that have to do the opposite are the Cemex ships which need the low tide to fit under the Itchen bridge and even then they barely fit with the radio/light/satellit e mast folded down and they drag on the river bed when they're fully loaded.[/p][/quote]Naive answer. Ever heard of demurrage?[/p][/quote]Forest Genuinely interested in the relevance of demurrage to this phil maccavity
  • Score: 1

12:46pm Tue 1 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?
that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees
You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp




ton.gov.uk/Images/19




%20Part%206%20-%20Me




mbers%20Allowance%20




Scheme_tcm46-262480.




pdf
The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.
Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk.
Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income.
I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?
The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right.

The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train.
When the Tories were in power we had Labour supporters.Union activists coming on this website making claims on how much the Tory councillors were getting paid funny how that's now being rebuked by you?
Okay so the Police authority wasn't a great example but look at each councillor see what their duties are then see their pay & you'll see a difference.
As for all councillors taking a 5.5% pay cut YES all Tory & Liberal councillors took that cut Labour didn't.
Whatever has been claimed, the facts are the facts and they are published for anyone to see - anyone can spend two minutes on the Council website and see who gets paid exactly how much for doing what.

If you look under Members' Allowances you will see that ALL councillors took the 5.5% pay cut in Feb 2011.

Why did you decide not to stand for the Council?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!![/p][/quote]Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?[/p][/quote]that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees[/p][/quote]You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp ton.gov.uk/Images/19 %20Part%206%20-%20Me mbers%20Allowance%20 Scheme_tcm46-262480. pdf The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.[/p][/quote]Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk. Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income. I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?[/p][/quote]The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right. The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train.[/p][/quote]When the Tories were in power we had Labour supporters.Union activists coming on this website making claims on how much the Tory councillors were getting paid funny how that's now being rebuked by you? Okay so the Police authority wasn't a great example but look at each councillor see what their duties are then see their pay & you'll see a difference. As for all councillors taking a 5.5% pay cut YES all Tory & Liberal councillors took that cut Labour didn't.[/p][/quote]Whatever has been claimed, the facts are the facts and they are published for anyone to see - anyone can spend two minutes on the Council website and see who gets paid exactly how much for doing what. If you look under Members' Allowances you will see that ALL councillors took the 5.5% pay cut in Feb 2011. Why did you decide not to stand for the Council? WalkingOnAWire
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3:13pm Tue 1 Apr 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?
that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees
You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp





ton.gov.uk/Images/19





%20Part%206%20-%20Me





mbers%20Allowance%20





Scheme_tcm46-262480.





pdf
The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.
Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk.
Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income.
I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?
The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right.

The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train.
When the Tories were in power we had Labour supporters.Union activists coming on this website making claims on how much the Tory councillors were getting paid funny how that's now being rebuked by you?
Okay so the Police authority wasn't a great example but look at each councillor see what their duties are then see their pay & you'll see a difference.
As for all councillors taking a 5.5% pay cut YES all Tory & Liberal councillors took that cut Labour didn't.
Whatever has been claimed, the facts are the facts and they are published for anyone to see - anyone can spend two minutes on the Council website and see who gets paid exactly how much for doing what.

If you look under Members' Allowances you will see that ALL councillors took the 5.5% pay cut in Feb 2011.

Why did you decide not to stand for the Council?
Because they picked a guy from upper Shirley for Upper Shirley,A Asian Lady for Bevois Valley .A guy from Millbrook green Park Estate for Redbridge.
In my interview they said I didn't talk enough? (I'm a total chatterbox?) Even though the day before I'd attend my brothers funeral & Paul Holmes felt I was being stitched up.
I quit the party as I felt a person willing to go out talk to his constituents & try to get things done for them was more important of picking types for areas.
So I was very disillusioned with the selection process.
which was one of the reasons I was considering standing for UKIP but I couldn't stand for a party that has Inform Al as a candidate.
Oh! I get a company pension so I would have been available to help my voters any time.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!![/p][/quote]Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?[/p][/quote]that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees[/p][/quote]You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp ton.gov.uk/Images/19 %20Part%206%20-%20Me mbers%20Allowance%20 Scheme_tcm46-262480. pdf The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.[/p][/quote]Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk. Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income. I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?[/p][/quote]The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right. The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train.[/p][/quote]When the Tories were in power we had Labour supporters.Union activists coming on this website making claims on how much the Tory councillors were getting paid funny how that's now being rebuked by you? Okay so the Police authority wasn't a great example but look at each councillor see what their duties are then see their pay & you'll see a difference. As for all councillors taking a 5.5% pay cut YES all Tory & Liberal councillors took that cut Labour didn't.[/p][/quote]Whatever has been claimed, the facts are the facts and they are published for anyone to see - anyone can spend two minutes on the Council website and see who gets paid exactly how much for doing what. If you look under Members' Allowances you will see that ALL councillors took the 5.5% pay cut in Feb 2011. Why did you decide not to stand for the Council?[/p][/quote]Because they picked a guy from upper Shirley for Upper Shirley,A Asian Lady for Bevois Valley .A guy from Millbrook green Park Estate for Redbridge. In my interview they said I didn't talk enough? (I'm a total chatterbox?) Even though the day before I'd attend my brothers funeral & Paul Holmes felt I was being stitched up. I quit the party as I felt a person willing to go out talk to his constituents & try to get things done for them was more important of picking types for areas. So I was very disillusioned with the selection process. which was one of the reasons I was considering standing for UKIP but I couldn't stand for a party that has Inform Al as a candidate. Oh! I get a company pension so I would have been available to help my voters any time. loosehead
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3:36pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
the people complaing obviously don't realise that ships can't always be loaded/un-loaded during the day because those ships often have to come in and go out with the high tides, the only ships that have to do the opposite are the Cemex ships which need the low tide to fit under the Itchen bridge and even then they barely fit with the radio/light/satellit


e mast folded down and they drag on the river bed when they're fully loaded.
Naive answer. Ever heard of demurrage?
Demurrage only applies when ships over run their allowed lay time.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: the people complaing obviously don't realise that ships can't always be loaded/un-loaded during the day because those ships often have to come in and go out with the high tides, the only ships that have to do the opposite are the Cemex ships which need the low tide to fit under the Itchen bridge and even then they barely fit with the radio/light/satellit e mast folded down and they drag on the river bed when they're fully loaded.[/p][/quote]Naive answer. Ever heard of demurrage?[/p][/quote]Demurrage only applies when ships over run their allowed lay time. Ginger_cyclist
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4:00pm Tue 1 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held!

However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!!
Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?
that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees
You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp






ton.gov.uk/Images/19






%20Part%206%20-%20Me






mbers%20Allowance%20






Scheme_tcm46-262480.






pdf
The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.
Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk.
Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income.
I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?
The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right.

The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train.
When the Tories were in power we had Labour supporters.Union activists coming on this website making claims on how much the Tory councillors were getting paid funny how that's now being rebuked by you?
Okay so the Police authority wasn't a great example but look at each councillor see what their duties are then see their pay & you'll see a difference.
As for all councillors taking a 5.5% pay cut YES all Tory & Liberal councillors took that cut Labour didn't.
Whatever has been claimed, the facts are the facts and they are published for anyone to see - anyone can spend two minutes on the Council website and see who gets paid exactly how much for doing what.

If you look under Members' Allowances you will see that ALL councillors took the 5.5% pay cut in Feb 2011.

Why did you decide not to stand for the Council?
Because they picked a guy from upper Shirley for Upper Shirley,A Asian Lady for Bevois Valley .A guy from Millbrook green Park Estate for Redbridge.
In my interview they said I didn't talk enough? (I'm a total chatterbox?) Even though the day before I'd attend my brothers funeral & Paul Holmes felt I was being stitched up.
I quit the party as I felt a person willing to go out talk to his constituents & try to get things done for them was more important of picking types for areas.
So I was very disillusioned with the selection process.
which was one of the reasons I was considering standing for UKIP but I couldn't stand for a party that has Inform Al as a candidate.
Oh! I get a company pension so I would have been available to help my voters any time.
I see. It must have been very difficult being interviewed so soon after your loss, which I'm sorry to hear of. Have you considered that you could stand as an independent?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: The noise from the docks can be heard regularly in Totton most nights, but anyone moving to property close to a major industrial area should be prepared to accept some noise. The same goes for anyone who moves into property next to a community centre, church, pub, school etc. and then complains about too many people, cars and/or events being held! However, for Jacqui Rayment to say nothing can be done by the City Council has to be today's understatement. All councils have the legal ability to monitor noise and to impose restrictions where these are considered appropriate. That does not mean giving in to the NIMBY's, but complaints should be investigated to determine whether or not there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Rayment and all others like her are elected to serve the community. Too many of them do it for the prestige and expenses .... in exchange for sitting back and putting their feet up!![/p][/quote]Yes, you can live the life of Reilly on £11K a year, can't you?[/p][/quote]that's the lowest level a councillor can get it goes right up if you're a cabinet member or overlook a department or are on committees[/p][/quote]You are quite right. They are published here: https://www.southamp ton.gov.uk/Images/19 %20Part%206%20-%20Me mbers%20Allowance%20 Scheme_tcm46-262480. pdf The basic allowance has not changed since October 2009. A councillor can only claim one other allowance, so they don't start to stack up just because you might be a cabinet member and on several committees. The most that anyone gets paid is £33K for being leader of the council. In the case of Simon Letts that will be considerably less than he was earning as a teacher of long-standing. My point is that councillors - of all parties - are not doing the job because it's a gravy train. People are generally in local government because they genuinely want to put something back into the community and help their constituents. It's too easy to be cynical about 'noses in the trough'. The reality is different.[/p][/quote]Where did you get that info from? I was a potential candidate & the more fingers in the pie the more you can earn yes you have a maximum amount but you can earn far more than £11,000. you could get a taxi to all council meetings paid for by the council so a perk. Rayment wasn't just a councillor she use to be on the Police Authority so again another income. I know Jeremy Moulton has another job besides being a councillor & are you telling me Letts couldn't do teaching in one form or another as well as being a councillor?[/p][/quote]The information is all published on the council website for anyone to look at. In 2012/13, the last year that's published, over the course of the year there were 59 councillors (48 seats, some of which changed hands in the course of the year). The total average expenses paid per councillor - including the taxi fares which you mention - was £11,152.70. In February 2011, all the councillors took a voluntary cut in their allowance of 5.5%. Some of the councillors do have other jobs, some of them part-time - again, you can see exactly who does what just by looking on the site. As leader of the council Letts has said he does not believe he could serve the city effectively while trying to hold down another job, which I think is right. The Police Authority doesn't exist any more. The Police and Crime Panel took its place in November 2012. Councillor Kaur represents Southampton on that panel. On their website there is currently a vacancy for a membership of that panel. The successful applicant will be allowed to claim £675 per year in subsistence allowance and a maximum of £920 of travel and subsistence expenses. I don't see that this can be easily described as a gravy train.[/p][/quote]When the Tories were in power we had Labour supporters.Union activists coming on this website making claims on how much the Tory councillors were getting paid funny how that's now being rebuked by you? Okay so the Police authority wasn't a great example but look at each councillor see what their duties are then see their pay & you'll see a difference. As for all councillors taking a 5.5% pay cut YES all Tory & Liberal councillors took that cut Labour didn't.[/p][/quote]Whatever has been claimed, the facts are the facts and they are published for anyone to see - anyone can spend two minutes on the Council website and see who gets paid exactly how much for doing what. If you look under Members' Allowances you will see that ALL councillors took the 5.5% pay cut in Feb 2011. Why did you decide not to stand for the Council?[/p][/quote]Because they picked a guy from upper Shirley for Upper Shirley,A Asian Lady for Bevois Valley .A guy from Millbrook green Park Estate for Redbridge. In my interview they said I didn't talk enough? (I'm a total chatterbox?) Even though the day before I'd attend my brothers funeral & Paul Holmes felt I was being stitched up. I quit the party as I felt a person willing to go out talk to his constituents & try to get things done for them was more important of picking types for areas. So I was very disillusioned with the selection process. which was one of the reasons I was considering standing for UKIP but I couldn't stand for a party that has Inform Al as a candidate. Oh! I get a company pension so I would have been available to help my voters any time.[/p][/quote]I see. It must have been very difficult being interviewed so soon after your loss, which I'm sorry to hear of. Have you considered that you could stand as an independent? WalkingOnAWire
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