Nicola and Bryan Rogers stole taxpayers cash and spent it on lavish holidays and a top of the range car

Daily Echo: Nicola and Bryan Rogers Nicola and Bryan Rogers

THEY splashed out on the romantic holiday of a lifetime to show their love for each other.

In a lavish ceremony, surrounded by witnesses, they renewed their wedding vows before lapping up the sunshine and all the trimmings of an exotic holiday in Egypt.

It was one of numerous fabulous holidays the pair have enjoyed across the world in recent years.

But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Bournemouth Crown Court heard how the couple, of Poplar Way, Ringwood, initially began claiming benefits legally, as both were off work.

However Mr Rogers, 48, then began to work again and an investigation by the Department of Work and Pensions and New Forest District Council revealed he was employed by three family-owned companies while continuing to claim.

Judge John Harrow heard that even while confined to her bed through illness, Mrs Rogers – now 44 – had continued to spend money.

Daily Echo:

At some points their undeclared income actually doubled what they received legitimately.

Mitigating, Richard Griffiths admitted that the prosecution had “painted rather a bleak picture” adding that when the false claims began Mrs Rogers was “really quite unwell”.

He told the court: “She was extremely overweight, which exacerbated her arthritis, and led to her being bedridden.”

Mrs Rogers’ condition improved when she had gastric band surgery, and over the next few years, the couple jetted around the world on holiday and spent money on scuba diving gear, a Range Rover and a series of sumptuous events, including birthday parties.

“Mrs Rogers has contact with counsellors who assist with spending problems,” Mr Griffiths said.

“It’s going to be a long, difficult road for her, but it is a road, and journey, she has started to take.”

Prosecutor Andrew Evans described how when investigators caught up with the couple Mrs Rogers pleaded poverty.

He told the court: “She said she’d had to buy herself a pair of jeans for just £3, when in fact had spent over £100 the previous week in Primark.”

As recently as January, Mrs Rogers had taken to Facebook to boast of a holiday at an exclusive ski resort in Mont Blanc.

Mrs Rogers pleaded guilty to obtaining money to transfer by deception and two counts of evasion of liability by deception, as well as a single count of fraud.

She was given a 14-month sentence.

Her husband admitted two counts of evasion of liability by deception and was jailed for nine months.

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10:23am Fri 18 Apr 14

miltonarcher says...

Chav scum.
Chav scum. miltonarcher
  • Score: 30

10:27am Fri 18 Apr 14

Sir Ad E Noid says...

Chav scum in jail. Result.
Chav scum in jail. Result. Sir Ad E Noid
  • Score: 33

10:30am Fri 18 Apr 14

News Fanatic says...

Will they have to repay the money?
Will they have to repay the money? News Fanatic
  • Score: 27

10:34am Fri 18 Apr 14

Rooflas says...

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
Chav scum in jail. Result.
It costs tax payer £600 a week for some in jail, cheaper to send them on holiday!
[quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: Chav scum in jail. Result.[/p][/quote]It costs tax payer £600 a week for some in jail, cheaper to send them on holiday! Rooflas
  • Score: 18

10:35am Fri 18 Apr 14

Outside of the Box says...

Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail.
Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 20

10:43am Fri 18 Apr 14

userds5050 says...

Wonder where the DE got the photos?
Wonder where the DE got the photos? userds5050
  • Score: 9

10:44am Fri 18 Apr 14

forest hump says...

Made me chuckle...a skiing holiday!! I'd pay good money to see that pair on skis.
Long, difficult road? No, it is called being honest and trustworthy. Unlike some defence Lawyers.
Made me chuckle...a skiing holiday!! I'd pay good money to see that pair on skis. Long, difficult road? No, it is called being honest and trustworthy. Unlike some defence Lawyers. forest hump
  • Score: 20

10:51am Fri 18 Apr 14

massimoosti says...

I'll happily do a 7 month stretch for £70k............whe
re can I sign up ?
I'll happily do a 7 month stretch for £70k............whe re can I sign up ? massimoosti
  • Score: 34

11:24am Fri 18 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

It highlights just who is taking the most in benefits in this country, it's not immigrants is it.
It highlights just who is taking the most in benefits in this country, it's not immigrants is it. bigfella777
  • Score: 6

11:44am Fri 18 Apr 14

Suntanned Snowman says...

Wonder if they wore their Primark clothes at the Exclusive Ski Resort?
Wonder if they wore their Primark clothes at the Exclusive Ski Resort? Suntanned Snowman
  • Score: 14

11:59am Fri 18 Apr 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

I see she spent most of it on food
I see she spent most of it on food Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 23

12:29pm Fri 18 Apr 14

*ay*carumba* says...

And they didn't even think to send each of us tax payers a postcard - gutted :o(
And they didn't even think to send each of us tax payers a postcard - gutted :o( *ay*carumba*
  • Score: 2

12:40pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Abkhazsoyuz says...

userds5050 wrote:
Wonder where the DE got the photos?
I did search " Nikki Rogers Ringwood" on FB , there were a number of other photos of the sorry pair, but I've checked now and they have been taken down.
However on Google Street View it is very obvious which is their house, new Range Rover parked outside, expensive building work under way, leather recliner in the front garden, and the lovely lady can be seen holding a hoe in her hand. She might end up holding a hoe when she does (fat) bird. LOL.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: Wonder where the DE got the photos?[/p][/quote]I did search " Nikki Rogers Ringwood" on FB , there were a number of other photos of the sorry pair, but I've checked now and they have been taken down. However on Google Street View it is very obvious which is their house, new Range Rover parked outside, expensive building work under way, leather recliner in the front garden, and the lovely lady can be seen holding a hoe in her hand. She might end up holding a hoe when she does (fat) bird. LOL. Abkhazsoyuz
  • Score: 12

12:42pm Fri 18 Apr 14

SOULJACKER says...

While what they have done isn't right, I can't help thinking that if they both changed their name to 'Maria Miller', changed their address to 'The houses of parliamnet' & changed their job title to 'scumbag politician' then they may very well have gotten away with it.
While what they have done isn't right, I can't help thinking that if they both changed their name to 'Maria Miller', changed their address to 'The houses of parliamnet' & changed their job title to 'scumbag politician' then they may very well have gotten away with it. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 30

12:57pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Lockssmart says...

Rooflas wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
Chav scum in jail. Result.
It costs tax payer £600 a week for some in jail, cheaper to send them on holiday!
Send them to the Isle of Wight. Punishment enough for anyone!
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: Chav scum in jail. Result.[/p][/quote]It costs tax payer £600 a week for some in jail, cheaper to send them on holiday![/p][/quote]Send them to the Isle of Wight. Punishment enough for anyone! Lockssmart
  • Score: 1

1:19pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Maine Lobster says...

This type of case is all too frequent but benefit fraud departments are so under resourced, they only concentrate on the big cases. For every big case there are hundreds of others where benefit claimants are "single parents" but in reality have non declared partners providing them with a comfy lifestyle while the taxpayer covers their essentials for living benefits, housing benefit, council tax benefit etc. Meanwhile, the pregnancies continue on a regular basis, despite the household being allegedly partner less and we all continue to cough up for it. About time we capped benefits to a maximum of 2 children!
This type of case is all too frequent but benefit fraud departments are so under resourced, they only concentrate on the big cases. For every big case there are hundreds of others where benefit claimants are "single parents" but in reality have non declared partners providing them with a comfy lifestyle while the taxpayer covers their essentials for living benefits, housing benefit, council tax benefit etc. Meanwhile, the pregnancies continue on a regular basis, despite the household being allegedly partner less and we all continue to cough up for it. About time we capped benefits to a maximum of 2 children! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 15

1:37pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Turtlebay says...

The DWP allowed my claim for Disability Allowance and sent me a back payment of £500 three months ago and said they'd pay me £80 per month which they started to do. Just two days ago they wrote to me to say they had decided against their original decision and that I must pay back the money.
How fair is that?
The DWP allowed my claim for Disability Allowance and sent me a back payment of £500 three months ago and said they'd pay me £80 per month which they started to do. Just two days ago they wrote to me to say they had decided against their original decision and that I must pay back the money. How fair is that? Turtlebay
  • Score: 10

2:12pm Fri 18 Apr 14

St.Ray says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail.
Unfortunately she IS NOT going to jail. She has a suspended sentence. Where is them justice is sentences like this? They should both be banged up for a minimum of 2 years AND made to repay every penny stolen
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately she IS NOT going to jail. She has a suspended sentence. Where is them justice is sentences like this? They should both be banged up for a minimum of 2 years AND made to repay every penny stolen St.Ray
  • Score: 20

2:16pm Fri 18 Apr 14

St.Ray says...

St.Ray wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail.
Unfortunately she IS NOT going to jail. She has a suspended sentence. Where is them justice is sentences like this? They should both be banged up for a minimum of 2 years AND made to repay every penny stolen
I am wrong! It seems she got 14 months NOT a suspended sentence, so perhaps a step towards some justice
[quote][p][bold]St.Ray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately she IS NOT going to jail. She has a suspended sentence. Where is them justice is sentences like this? They should both be banged up for a minimum of 2 years AND made to repay every penny stolen[/p][/quote]I am wrong! It seems she got 14 months NOT a suspended sentence, so perhaps a step towards some justice St.Ray
  • Score: 10

2:23pm Fri 18 Apr 14

southy says...

But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.
But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000. Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why. southy
  • Score: -18

3:03pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Do they have "fat fighters" in jail?
Do they have "fat fighters" in jail? Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 8

3:25pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Huey says...

She is sporting an impressive pair of massive flabby bingo wings.
My nan would be jealous!
She is sporting an impressive pair of massive flabby bingo wings. My nan would be jealous! Huey
  • Score: 12

3:46pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

bigfella777 wrote:
It highlights just who is taking the most in benefits in this country, it's not immigrants is it.
You have made the point well. Thanks.

Criminals and crooks exist in every community, class, race and regions of our planet Earth. Thankfully the undesirable are minority and are not representatives of vast majority of human race.

It will be wrong to tarnish all Britons on the basis of the crimes of this criminal couple and others like them and equally wrong for xenophobes who keep on spitting vanoum about immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: It highlights just who is taking the most in benefits in this country, it's not immigrants is it.[/p][/quote]You have made the point well. Thanks. Criminals and crooks exist in every community, class, race and regions of our planet Earth. Thankfully the undesirable are minority and are not representatives of vast majority of human race. It will be wrong to tarnish all Britons on the basis of the crimes of this criminal couple and others like them and equally wrong for xenophobes who keep on spitting vanoum about immigrants. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Bentley280 says...

News Fanatic wrote:
Will they have to repay the money?
Of course not which makes it all worth while for them. However a prison sentence YES!!!! Lets hope they are made too stay in for the full term before the dopes get out to start claiming again.
[quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: Will they have to repay the money?[/p][/quote]Of course not which makes it all worth while for them. However a prison sentence YES!!!! Lets hope they are made too stay in for the full term before the dopes get out to start claiming again. Bentley280
  • Score: 6

4:12pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.
Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000. Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.[/p][/quote]Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves. Shoong
  • Score: 5

5:00pm Fri 18 Apr 14

thelawyer says...

Not bad wages. She got 14 months meaning she will serve half the sentence = 7months and after 2-3 months will be available for early release with a tag. I'd like to earn £70,00 for 2-3 months in jail. The husbands release works on same pro rata basis.
Not bad wages. She got 14 months meaning she will serve half the sentence = 7months and after 2-3 months will be available for early release with a tag. I'd like to earn £70,00 for 2-3 months in jail. The husbands release works on same pro rata basis. thelawyer
  • Score: 5

5:03pm Fri 18 Apr 14

thelawyer says...

St.Ray wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail.
Unfortunately she IS NOT going to jail. She has a suspended sentence. Where is them justice is sentences like this? They should both be banged up for a minimum of 2 years AND made to repay every penny stolen
Sorry I can't see in the article that Mrs Roger's sentence was suspended which means she will go to prison.
[quote][p][bold]St.Ray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately she IS NOT going to jail. She has a suspended sentence. Where is them justice is sentences like this? They should both be banged up for a minimum of 2 years AND made to repay every penny stolen[/p][/quote]Sorry I can't see in the article that Mrs Roger's sentence was suspended which means she will go to prison. thelawyer
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Fri 18 Apr 14

bullsbags says...

Lockssmart wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
Chav scum in jail. Result.
It costs tax payer £600 a week for some in jail, cheaper to send them on holiday!
Send them to the Isle of Wight. Punishment enough for anyone!
And what's wrong with the Isle of Wight
Where do you live,Knightbridge?
[quote][p][bold]Lockssmart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: Chav scum in jail. Result.[/p][/quote]It costs tax payer £600 a week for some in jail, cheaper to send them on holiday![/p][/quote]Send them to the Isle of Wight. Punishment enough for anyone![/p][/quote]And what's wrong with the Isle of Wight Where do you live,Knightbridge? bullsbags
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Fri 18 Apr 14

wwozzer says...

Wow, she looks like a shaved orangutan in a frock.
Wow, she looks like a shaved orangutan in a frock. wwozzer
  • Score: 3

5:24pm Fri 18 Apr 14

bullsbags says...

bullsbags wrote:
Lockssmart wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
Chav scum in jail. Result.
It costs tax payer £600 a week for some in jail, cheaper to send them on holiday!
Send them to the Isle of Wight. Punishment enough for anyone!
And what's wrong with the Isle of Wight
Where do you live,Knightbridge?
Should have read Knightsbridge
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lockssmart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: Chav scum in jail. Result.[/p][/quote]It costs tax payer £600 a week for some in jail, cheaper to send them on holiday![/p][/quote]Send them to the Isle of Wight. Punishment enough for anyone![/p][/quote]And what's wrong with the Isle of Wight Where do you live,Knightbridge?[/p][/quote]Should have read Knightsbridge bullsbags
  • Score: -5

5:39pm Fri 18 Apr 14

IronLady2010 says...

Make them MP's they'll be ok then. They'll just be asked to say sorry and carry on.
Make them MP's they'll be ok then. They'll just be asked to say sorry and carry on. IronLady2010
  • Score: 1

7:10pm Fri 18 Apr 14

WarwickNights says...

These blooming immigrants, coming over here, fleecing the benefits system, conning hard working Brits. Oh, wait a minute.....
These blooming immigrants, coming over here, fleecing the benefits system, conning hard working Brits. Oh, wait a minute..... WarwickNights
  • Score: 2

7:36pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.
Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.
Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment?

From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong.

Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist.

I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item.

In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000. Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.[/p][/quote]Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.[/p][/quote]Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment? From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong. Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist. I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item. In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 1

7:40pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Make them MP's they'll be ok then. They'll just be asked to say sorry and carry on.
Only if us the people re-elect the bent b@stards.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Make them MP's they'll be ok then. They'll just be asked to say sorry and carry on.[/p][/quote]Only if us the people re-elect the bent b@stards. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 4

7:51pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Hope they do Bird and pay the Cash Back!
Hope they do Bird and pay the Cash Back! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 2

8:07pm Fri 18 Apr 14

9 Toes Romsey says...

Disgusting, obese cretins.
Disgusting, obese cretins. 9 Toes Romsey
  • Score: 5

9:12pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Kirsty666 says...

Oh ye good ol justice system how crap it works benefit fraud 4.5 months and 7 months (good behaviour) gotta love the UK
Oh ye good ol justice system how crap it works benefit fraud 4.5 months and 7 months (good behaviour) gotta love the UK Kirsty666
  • Score: 1

9:21pm Fri 18 Apr 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.
Southy you can't justify one wrong with another this couple knew what they were doing tax cheats as you call them hire accountants who act legally to save their clients money this couple acted illegally.
Yes we all think it's wrong the way accountants can find these loopholes but who's fault is it really?
I went up to over 25stone could hardly walk & had back trouble I went to a gym & slowly got my weight down I didn't rob every tax payer out there like this couple did.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000. Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.[/p][/quote]Southy you can't justify one wrong with another this couple knew what they were doing tax cheats as you call them hire accountants who act legally to save their clients money this couple acted illegally. Yes we all think it's wrong the way accountants can find these loopholes but who's fault is it really? I went up to over 25stone could hardly walk & had back trouble I went to a gym & slowly got my weight down I didn't rob every tax payer out there like this couple did. loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:25pm Fri 18 Apr 14

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.
Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.
Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment?

From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong.

Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist.

I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item.

In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference.
what he did wrong was use it to attack those who find legitimate ways of not paying tax instead of ripping into people like these two who give all claimants a bad name.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000. Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.[/p][/quote]Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.[/p][/quote]Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment? From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong. Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist. I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item. In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference.[/p][/quote]what he did wrong was use it to attack those who find legitimate ways of not paying tax instead of ripping into people like these two who give all claimants a bad name. loosehead
  • Score: 1

5:19am Sat 19 Apr 14

skeptik says...

Electorate mimicking the elected.
Electorate mimicking the elected. skeptik
  • Score: 4

7:29am Sat 19 Apr 14

Stubs says...

If it was an MP claiming this amount on expenses for second house they don't have, they would get away with it.
If it was an MP claiming this amount on expenses for second house they don't have, they would get away with it. Stubs
  • Score: 2

7:40am Sat 19 Apr 14

loosehead says...

Stubs wrote:
If it was an MP claiming this amount on expenses for second house they don't have, they would get away with it.
So which MP are you claiming has done that?
If you read your paper those MP's willingly defrauding the expenses are/were put in prison.
But are you saying two wrongs make a right?
[quote][p][bold]Stubs[/bold] wrote: If it was an MP claiming this amount on expenses for second house they don't have, they would get away with it.[/p][/quote]So which MP are you claiming has done that? If you read your paper those MP's willingly defrauding the expenses are/were put in prison. But are you saying two wrongs make a right? loosehead
  • Score: -1

7:56am Sat 19 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

forest hump wrote:
Made me chuckle...a skiing holiday!! I'd pay good money to see that pair on skis.
Long, difficult road? No, it is called being honest and trustworthy. Unlike some defence Lawyers.
Avalanche
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Made me chuckle...a skiing holiday!! I'd pay good money to see that pair on skis. Long, difficult road? No, it is called being honest and trustworthy. Unlike some defence Lawyers.[/p][/quote]Avalanche elvisimo
  • Score: -1

9:00am Sat 19 Apr 14

SophiiaMarie says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail.
You say that, but look at that Tracey Connelly, she put on a tonne of weight in prison!
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: Stole money from the state to shop Primarno. WTF is that all about. At least she will lose weight in jail.[/p][/quote]You say that, but look at that Tracey Connelly, she put on a tonne of weight in prison! SophiiaMarie
  • Score: 0

9:52am Sat 19 Apr 14

porkchop47 says...

these comment are unfair to say the least,To call someone Bingo Wings is a sorry comment and that person should be ashamed of themselves,
i have a weight problem and the council have kindly extended the front door so i can get through it without breathing in plus they have strengthened and reinforced the bathroom as the last time i had a dip i found myself in the living room, the problem with you lot is that you don't see the other side,i have had gland problems for years now , i only have to look at a mars bar and i put on another 200 pounds, GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
these comment are unfair to say the least,To call someone Bingo Wings is a sorry comment and that person should be ashamed of themselves, i have a weight problem and the council have kindly extended the front door so i can get through it without breathing in plus they have strengthened and reinforced the bathroom as the last time i had a dip i found myself in the living room, the problem with you lot is that you don't see the other side,i have had gland problems for years now , i only have to look at a mars bar and i put on another 200 pounds, GOD SAVE THE QUEEN porkchop47
  • Score: -6

1:11pm Sat 19 Apr 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.
Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.
Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment?

From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong.

Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist.

I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item.

In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference.
what he did wrong was use it to attack those who find legitimate ways of not paying tax instead of ripping into people like these two who give all claimants a bad name.
Try reading what Paramjit said loose.
This country is going after the small amounts that can be reclaimed, and leaving the very wealthy alone, look at this way if you like which would you do go after first the 1 person who is cheating the system out of £millions/billions in 1 year or go after 100 people who are cheating the system out of a £10,000's over a 4 years, which is more cost effect, which would have the bigger recovery of finances and which would cost the tax payers less.
Think about it long and hard and remember this Cameron is just one such cheat on the system and when he got found out he got the law change to suit him and this wealthy friends, Nigel Farage is another leading person that cheats the Tax system, and I expect Milliband is doing the same, Hoarding there money in off shore tax free banking that is costing this country in £billions each year in lost tax revenue. Also this to if you show that those at the very top can't get away with it, those on the bottom doing it at a much smaller scale will think twice, if they can't get away with it at the top then those at the bottom have no hope.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000. Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.[/p][/quote]Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.[/p][/quote]Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment? From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong. Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist. I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item. In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference.[/p][/quote]what he did wrong was use it to attack those who find legitimate ways of not paying tax instead of ripping into people like these two who give all claimants a bad name.[/p][/quote]Try reading what Paramjit said loose. This country is going after the small amounts that can be reclaimed, and leaving the very wealthy alone, look at this way if you like which would you do go after first the 1 person who is cheating the system out of £millions/billions in 1 year or go after 100 people who are cheating the system out of a £10,000's over a 4 years, which is more cost effect, which would have the bigger recovery of finances and which would cost the tax payers less. Think about it long and hard and remember this Cameron is just one such cheat on the system and when he got found out he got the law change to suit him and this wealthy friends, Nigel Farage is another leading person that cheats the Tax system, and I expect Milliband is doing the same, Hoarding there money in off shore tax free banking that is costing this country in £billions each year in lost tax revenue. Also this to if you show that those at the very top can't get away with it, those on the bottom doing it at a much smaller scale will think twice, if they can't get away with it at the top then those at the bottom have no hope. southy
  • Score: -1

2:55pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.
Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.
Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment?

From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong.

Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist.

I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item.

In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference.
what he did wrong was use it to attack those who find legitimate ways of not paying tax instead of ripping into people like these two who give all claimants a bad name.
Try reading what Paramjit said loose.
This country is going after the small amounts that can be reclaimed, and leaving the very wealthy alone, look at this way if you like which would you do go after first the 1 person who is cheating the system out of £millions/billions in 1 year or go after 100 people who are cheating the system out of a £10,000's over a 4 years, which is more cost effect, which would have the bigger recovery of finances and which would cost the tax payers less.
Think about it long and hard and remember this Cameron is just one such cheat on the system and when he got found out he got the law change to suit him and this wealthy friends, Nigel Farage is another leading person that cheats the Tax system, and I expect Milliband is doing the same, Hoarding there money in off shore tax free banking that is costing this country in £billions each year in lost tax revenue. Also this to if you show that those at the very top can't get away with it, those on the bottom doing it at a much smaller scale will think twice, if they can't get away with it at the top then those at the bottom have no hope.
Get outside Peter - the sun's out...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000. Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.[/p][/quote]Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.[/p][/quote]Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment? From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong. Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist. I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item. In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference.[/p][/quote]what he did wrong was use it to attack those who find legitimate ways of not paying tax instead of ripping into people like these two who give all claimants a bad name.[/p][/quote]Try reading what Paramjit said loose. This country is going after the small amounts that can be reclaimed, and leaving the very wealthy alone, look at this way if you like which would you do go after first the 1 person who is cheating the system out of £millions/billions in 1 year or go after 100 people who are cheating the system out of a £10,000's over a 4 years, which is more cost effect, which would have the bigger recovery of finances and which would cost the tax payers less. Think about it long and hard and remember this Cameron is just one such cheat on the system and when he got found out he got the law change to suit him and this wealthy friends, Nigel Farage is another leading person that cheats the Tax system, and I expect Milliband is doing the same, Hoarding there money in off shore tax free banking that is costing this country in £billions each year in lost tax revenue. Also this to if you show that those at the very top can't get away with it, those on the bottom doing it at a much smaller scale will think twice, if they can't get away with it at the top then those at the bottom have no hope.[/p][/quote]Get outside Peter - the sun's out... Shoong
  • Score: 3

6:16pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.
Go away you plum.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000. Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.[/p][/quote]Go away you plum. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -4

11:46am Sun 20 Apr 14

Stubs says...

loosehead wrote:
Stubs wrote:
If it was an MP claiming this amount on expenses for second house they don't have, they would get away with it.
So which MP are you claiming has done that?
If you read your paper those MP's willingly defrauding the expenses are/were put in prison.
But are you saying two wrongs make a right?
Not in prison for long enough. These MPs are running the country. That's what the difference is. It sounds like your one of these people who talk with no action after!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stubs[/bold] wrote: If it was an MP claiming this amount on expenses for second house they don't have, they would get away with it.[/p][/quote]So which MP are you claiming has done that? If you read your paper those MP's willingly defrauding the expenses are/were put in prison. But are you saying two wrongs make a right?[/p][/quote]Not in prison for long enough. These MPs are running the country. That's what the difference is. It sounds like your one of these people who talk with no action after! Stubs
  • Score: 0

9:26pm Sun 20 Apr 14

loosehead says...

Stubs wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Stubs wrote:
If it was an MP claiming this amount on expenses for second house they don't have, they would get away with it.
So which MP are you claiming has done that?
If you read your paper those MP's willingly defrauding the expenses are/were put in prison.
But are you saying two wrongs make a right?
Not in prison for long enough. These MPs are running the country. That's what the difference is. It sounds like your one of these people who talk with no action after!
If an illegal action is proven then yes lock them up but if as has been proven in Millers case she never acted illegally then a reimbursement is right.
I would love to see all those people parking half on the pavements half on double yellow lines get at least a fine but they don't yet some people want innocent people to go to prison yet defend this pair?
[quote][p][bold]Stubs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stubs[/bold] wrote: If it was an MP claiming this amount on expenses for second house they don't have, they would get away with it.[/p][/quote]So which MP are you claiming has done that? If you read your paper those MP's willingly defrauding the expenses are/were put in prison. But are you saying two wrongs make a right?[/p][/quote]Not in prison for long enough. These MPs are running the country. That's what the difference is. It sounds like your one of these people who talk with no action after![/p][/quote]If an illegal action is proven then yes lock them up but if as has been proven in Millers case she never acted illegally then a reimbursement is right. I would love to see all those people parking half on the pavements half on double yellow lines get at least a fine but they don't yet some people want innocent people to go to prison yet defend this pair? loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:31pm Sun 20 Apr 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000.

Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.
Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.
Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment?

From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong.

Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist.

I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item.

In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference.
what he did wrong was use it to attack those who find legitimate ways of not paying tax instead of ripping into people like these two who give all claimants a bad name.
Try reading what Paramjit said loose.
This country is going after the small amounts that can be reclaimed, and leaving the very wealthy alone, look at this way if you like which would you do go after first the 1 person who is cheating the system out of £millions/billions in 1 year or go after 100 people who are cheating the system out of a £10,000's over a 4 years, which is more cost effect, which would have the bigger recovery of finances and which would cost the tax payers less.
Think about it long and hard and remember this Cameron is just one such cheat on the system and when he got found out he got the law change to suit him and this wealthy friends, Nigel Farage is another leading person that cheats the Tax system, and I expect Milliband is doing the same, Hoarding there money in off shore tax free banking that is costing this country in £billions each year in lost tax revenue. Also this to if you show that those at the very top can't get away with it, those on the bottom doing it at a much smaller scale will think twice, if they can't get away with it at the top then those at the bottom have no hope.
Southy my older brother committed suicide whilst living with me I couldn't face up to walking into that house it was sending me other the edge.
But to sell it would have bankrupted me at that time(prices had nose dived) So I rented it out & moved elsewhere the Tenants were on the social & they wrecked it.
It cost me more to repair their damage than I got in rent yet the tax man hammered me so I went to an accountant & got my tax down to a reasonable level.
I abided by the law I was not guilty of any wrong doing unlike this couple yet you seem to compare out & out law breakers to those operating with in the law of the land can't you see you're wrong on this?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: But in fact “shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and her husband Bryan were doing it at the expense of you – the taxpayer – having cheated the benefits system out of almost £70,000. Even lo it is wrong what they done but this £70,000 over how many years the indication is there that it was for more than 2 years, and when you look at tax cheats we have in this country mainly by the super rich this is peanut money to them they will cheat the country out of this much tax in 1 day but they are left alone why.[/p][/quote]Nothing like a bit of a swerve to slip in a bit of the same old tripe while at the same time leaping to the defense of proven thieves.[/p][/quote]Where did Peter defend this criminal couple in his comment? From what is on the display, and obviously that you would have read, because exact quote is also displayed with your comment, it appears to be clear that he is not making any excuses for the pair of cheats, but has said that what they did was wrong. Your desire to show Southy in bad light may have made you imagine something that doesn't exist. I think the point Pete was trying to make was that all the cheats should be given the same treatment, whether they happen to be members of unelected part of parliament or elected members of House of Commons, cabinet members, bosses of banks or big business or anybody like the criminal couple in this news item. In my view whoever commits the crime should be doing the time, whether they are toffee nosed cash-crofts or bog standrad Joe Bloggs should make no difference.[/p][/quote]what he did wrong was use it to attack those who find legitimate ways of not paying tax instead of ripping into people like these two who give all claimants a bad name.[/p][/quote]Try reading what Paramjit said loose. This country is going after the small amounts that can be reclaimed, and leaving the very wealthy alone, look at this way if you like which would you do go after first the 1 person who is cheating the system out of £millions/billions in 1 year or go after 100 people who are cheating the system out of a £10,000's over a 4 years, which is more cost effect, which would have the bigger recovery of finances and which would cost the tax payers less. Think about it long and hard and remember this Cameron is just one such cheat on the system and when he got found out he got the law change to suit him and this wealthy friends, Nigel Farage is another leading person that cheats the Tax system, and I expect Milliband is doing the same, Hoarding there money in off shore tax free banking that is costing this country in £billions each year in lost tax revenue. Also this to if you show that those at the very top can't get away with it, those on the bottom doing it at a much smaller scale will think twice, if they can't get away with it at the top then those at the bottom have no hope.[/p][/quote]Southy my older brother committed suicide whilst living with me I couldn't face up to walking into that house it was sending me other the edge. But to sell it would have bankrupted me at that time(prices had nose dived) So I rented it out & moved elsewhere the Tenants were on the social & they wrecked it. It cost me more to repair their damage than I got in rent yet the tax man hammered me so I went to an accountant & got my tax down to a reasonable level. I abided by the law I was not guilty of any wrong doing unlike this couple yet you seem to compare out & out law breakers to those operating with in the law of the land can't you see you're wrong on this? loosehead
  • Score: 2

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