'Cage fighting should be banned' say family of Kevin Wyeth who was killed by fighter Damon Wright

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THE grieving family of a Hampshire dad killed by a vicious cage fighter are today calling for the sport to be regulated or even banned.

Speaking after killer Damon Wright was jailed for ten years, they said those practising it should be vetted to avoid violent criminals taking it up.

A trial at Winchester Crown Court heard how Wright pulled on his eight ounce cage fighting gloves before sneaking up on Kevin Wyeth in a dark alleyway in Woolston, Southampton.

He then hit the Saints groundsman and dad of three with such “severe force” that his face shattered and his brain was left “significantly damaged”.

The injuries were so severe Kevin's own family struggled to identify him after he was found dead last August.

During his trial Wright, who is trained in eight different martial arts disciplines, admitted that he had delivered the blows that killed the dad-of-three, saying that he threw with “everything” he had.

Wright was sentenced to ten years with a four-year extended licence after jurors cleared him of murder but returned a guilty verdict on a manslaughter charge.

Passing sentence, Judge Guy Boney dubbed cage fighting as a "savage activity where anything goes" and that it appealed to Wright because he was "a man of violence".

He said: "It was a sustained attack in an isolated location, your victim never stood a chance.

"I have no doubt that your intention was violence and the extent of violence was illustrated in the nature of the injuries and of death.

"You are an experienced cage fighter and have some experience, quite enough in your cage fighting career that you knew what you were doing, that it was carrying a risk of serious injury or death even if you did not intend any of those circumstances."

Wright, 32, who was medically discharged from the Army when he was 18, himself admitted in court that he had a short fuse and that he had lost his temper when he didn't get his own way.

Over the past decade Wright has notched up a catalogue of conviction for beatings and assaults on men, women, children and even an unborn baby.

With such a violent background, Kevin's family are amazed that he was allowed to take part in cage fighting, which they believe turned his fists into a lethal weapon.

They are now calling on the controversial sport to be better regulated because Wright, with his background of violence, should never have been allowed to become a competitor.

Dad Kevin said: "Any other martial arts you have to have a licence. He should never have been able to join a club. He gives a bad name to martial arts."

Along with mum Linda Timberlake, he feels it should even be banned.

"It comes from America, it is a violent thing," Kevin said.

Linda said: "You can't justify the fact that people are willing to break arms and go unconscious. It's laughable."

Wright, 32, was cleared of the charge of murder by a majority decision from the jury but they did not accept his claim that he acted in self-defence when he carried out the vicious attack.

During sentencing yesterday, Wright showed no emotion as he stood in the dock dressed in a dark suit and tie.

Speaking about the sentence, Linda said the sentence was the best that could be given after the manslaughter verdict. The family had wanted a conviction for murder and a life sentence.

She said: "I would have liked it to be a murder charge. I think he was guilty of that, there's no question of that.

"This chap is a danger to the public with 32 previous convictions and a lot for violence and the fact he did cage fighting demonstrates he would was a violent man. Nothing will bring back my son."

Holding back tears, Sister Leanne said: "He (Wright) should never be allowed out again, I hope he rots. It's been devastating.

"It has been the most heart breaking time in my life.

"He's my little brother and he's not here anymore. He was a cheeky, fun, happy, and loved his children."

A post mortem revealed that Kevin suffered “appalling” injuries, including multiple fractures to his face, including his jaw in pieces on both sides and even the small bone at the base of his tongue was broken.

Pathologist Amanda Jeffery gave evidence at the trial, stating the lack of defensive injuries to Kevin suggested he was rendered unconscious early on in the beating.

Wright took more than two hours before he called an ambulance for his victim - at first calling a taxi to the spot where he had left him unconscious in the hope they would find him and avoid directly connecting him to it.

While paramedics battled in vain in the early hours of August 24 to save Kevin, Wright was heading to Poole, where he was caught on CCTV demonstrating what he has just done to Kevin to his friend.

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2:00pm Fri 25 Apr 14

IronLady2010 says...

Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help.

There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc.

I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much.

I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.
Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help. There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc. I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much. I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge. IronLady2010
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2:12pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help.

There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc.

I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much.

I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.
Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help. There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc. I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much. I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.[/p][/quote]Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence. Charlie Bucket
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2:30pm Fri 25 Apr 14

boxing_nut says...

Its hard to be a pro boxer with a criminal license especially for thuggery with obvious exceptions.

I understand the family are devastated but these kind of articles especially when you are allowed to comment are just asking for trouble. The deceased had a very chequered past and was charged for violence whilst drunk so should we ban alcohol?

Its the person who does the crime not what they drink, take or what they are trained in.

RIP Kevin and I hope the family get some closure.
Its hard to be a pro boxer with a criminal license especially for thuggery with obvious exceptions. I understand the family are devastated but these kind of articles especially when you are allowed to comment are just asking for trouble. The deceased had a very chequered past and was charged for violence whilst drunk so should we ban alcohol? Its the person who does the crime not what they drink, take or what they are trained in. RIP Kevin and I hope the family get some closure. boxing_nut
  • Score: 17

2:46pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Lwyeth says...

I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.
I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history. Lwyeth
  • Score: 38

2:55pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Lwyeth wrote:
I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.
Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point:

Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation.

I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this.
[quote][p][bold]Lwyeth[/bold] wrote: I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point: Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation. I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this. Charlie Bucket
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2:56pm Fri 25 Apr 14

IronLady2010 says...

Lwyeth wrote:
I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.
Firstly, please accept my best wishes.

The issue is there are many clubs wether it be cage fighting, boxing, karate and many more.

I always thought these people were trained not to use their violence unless in an emergency, but you will always get the odd one no matter how much you regulate it.

I wish you and the family and friends the very best, I really do. I have followed this story and believe the sentence should have been longer.

Best wishes. ****
[quote][p][bold]Lwyeth[/bold] wrote: I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.[/p][/quote]Firstly, please accept my best wishes. The issue is there are many clubs wether it be cage fighting, boxing, karate and many more. I always thought these people were trained not to use their violence unless in an emergency, but you will always get the odd one no matter how much you regulate it. I wish you and the family and friends the very best, I really do. I have followed this story and believe the sentence should have been longer. Best wishes. **** IronLady2010
  • Score: -1

3:47pm Fri 25 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

I just hope that somehow karma will catch up with him, it has a habit of doing that. I don't honestly know how he can sleep at night, he must be deranged , I bet he hasn't even apologised to the family.
He is the sort of person society should be protected from indefinitely.
I just hope that somehow karma will catch up with him, it has a habit of doing that. I don't honestly know how he can sleep at night, he must be deranged , I bet he hasn't even apologised to the family. He is the sort of person society should be protected from indefinitely. bigfella777
  • Score: 14

4:04pm Fri 25 Apr 14

dockboy says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Lwyeth wrote:
I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.
Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point:

Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation.

I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this.
It may not have stopped this thug carrying out the horrendous act, but if he hadn't been trained to punch in a way that causes maximum damage, then the outcome may not have ended in this sad tragedy.
Thinking about the subject before putting pen to paper is probably not something that would interest you.

Deepest sympathy to all the Wyeth family.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lwyeth[/bold] wrote: I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point: Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation. I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this.[/p][/quote]It may not have stopped this thug carrying out the horrendous act, but if he hadn't been trained to punch in a way that causes maximum damage, then the outcome may not have ended in this sad tragedy. Thinking about the subject before putting pen to paper is probably not something that would interest you. Deepest sympathy to all the Wyeth family. dockboy
  • Score: 0

4:10pm Fri 25 Apr 14

downfader says...

Did a bit of boxing and martial arts in my youth - what I often saw were people who might need some kind of activity to give them proper confidence, focus and a regime. Lots of people who might otherwise end up "wronguns" have actually benefited from it.

What this bloke did was wrong, and he should get life but cage fighting ISNT "anything goes" - there are set rules - in fact the cage is there to protect the fighters (eg how many boxers have slipped through the ropes over the years)
Did a bit of boxing and martial arts in my youth - what I often saw were people who might need some kind of activity to give them proper confidence, focus and a regime. Lots of people who might otherwise end up "wronguns" have actually benefited from it. What this bloke did was wrong, and he should get life but cage fighting ISNT "anything goes" - there are set rules - in fact the cage is there to protect the fighters (eg how many boxers have slipped through the ropes over the years) downfader
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4:23pm Fri 25 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

dockboy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Lwyeth wrote:
I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.
Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point:

Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation.

I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this.
It may not have stopped this thug carrying out the horrendous act, but if he hadn't been trained to punch in a way that causes maximum damage, then the outcome may not have ended in this sad tragedy.
Thinking about the subject before putting pen to paper is probably not something that would interest you.

Deepest sympathy to all the Wyeth family.
Don't forget they were 8oz gloves, that's half a pound in each hand and why such horrific injuries were inflicted. That's why I cannot see it as self-defence because he went equipped with weapons to carry out the attack.
[quote][p][bold]dockboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lwyeth[/bold] wrote: I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point: Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation. I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this.[/p][/quote]It may not have stopped this thug carrying out the horrendous act, but if he hadn't been trained to punch in a way that causes maximum damage, then the outcome may not have ended in this sad tragedy. Thinking about the subject before putting pen to paper is probably not something that would interest you. Deepest sympathy to all the Wyeth family.[/p][/quote]Don't forget they were 8oz gloves, that's half a pound in each hand and why such horrific injuries were inflicted. That's why I cannot see it as self-defence because he went equipped with weapons to carry out the attack. bigfella777
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4:36pm Fri 25 Apr 14

CivicCentered says...

bigfella777 wrote:
dockboy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Lwyeth wrote: I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.
Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point: Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation. I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this.
It may not have stopped this thug carrying out the horrendous act, but if he hadn't been trained to punch in a way that causes maximum damage, then the outcome may not have ended in this sad tragedy. Thinking about the subject before putting pen to paper is probably not something that would interest you. Deepest sympathy to all the Wyeth family.
Don't forget they were 8oz gloves, that's half a pound in each hand and why such horrific injuries were inflicted. That's why I cannot see it as self-defence because he went equipped with weapons to carry out the attack.
The gloves are pretty irrelevant in terms of damage caused.

What they do show is that he had intent.

This is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the gentlemans family and friends. That being said, having done a bit of MMA in my time, my belief is that its negatives are greatly outweighed by its positives. It changed my life for the better. I do however, completely understand why his family would have these feelings about the sport.

Calling it cagefighting is never particularly helpful either...
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dockboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lwyeth[/bold] wrote: I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point: Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation. I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this.[/p][/quote]It may not have stopped this thug carrying out the horrendous act, but if he hadn't been trained to punch in a way that causes maximum damage, then the outcome may not have ended in this sad tragedy. Thinking about the subject before putting pen to paper is probably not something that would interest you. Deepest sympathy to all the Wyeth family.[/p][/quote]Don't forget they were 8oz gloves, that's half a pound in each hand and why such horrific injuries were inflicted. That's why I cannot see it as self-defence because he went equipped with weapons to carry out the attack.[/p][/quote]The gloves are pretty irrelevant in terms of damage caused. What they do show is that he had intent. This is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the gentlemans family and friends. That being said, having done a bit of MMA in my time, my belief is that its negatives are greatly outweighed by its positives. It changed my life for the better. I do however, completely understand why his family would have these feelings about the sport. Calling it cagefighting is never particularly helpful either... CivicCentered
  • Score: 5

4:58pm Fri 25 Apr 14

normal1965 says...

ban the so called sport.its disgusting.
ban the so called sport.its disgusting. normal1965
  • Score: -10

5:09pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Burt HInkler says...

Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence.
Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence. Burt HInkler
  • Score: 21

5:12pm Fri 25 Apr 14

downfader says...

normal1965 wrote:
ban the so called sport.its disgusting.
A killer could walk into B&Q tomorrow and buy a hammer or an axe... both can be highly dangerous in the wrong hands, but both serve a genuine purpose. You cannot go banning things like this because of one idiot.

In fact even regulation (the sport is regulated technically - many a club would kick out a member if they thought there were issues) wouldnt solve this. What if a potential killer has no previous record? Even a criminal record is not a statement of intent - as I said above many people can benefit from the discipline martial arts teaches.
[quote][p][bold]normal1965[/bold] wrote: ban the so called sport.its disgusting.[/p][/quote]A killer could walk into B&Q tomorrow and buy a hammer or an axe... both can be highly dangerous in the wrong hands, but both serve a genuine purpose. You cannot go banning things like this because of one idiot. In fact even regulation (the sport is regulated technically - many a club would kick out a member if they thought there were issues) wouldnt solve this. What if a potential killer has no previous record? Even a criminal record is not a statement of intent - as I said above many people can benefit from the discipline martial arts teaches. downfader
  • Score: 4

5:25pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Quizbook says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help.

There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc.

I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much.

I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.
Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence.
The family are right.

If you dont want people to hurt other people, you dont teach them that violent activities such as cage fighting and boxing are ok.

Dont teach our kids that its ok to hit people.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help. There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc. I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much. I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.[/p][/quote]Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence.[/p][/quote]The family are right. If you dont want people to hurt other people, you dont teach them that violent activities [ you cant call it a sport ] such as cage fighting and boxing are ok. Dont teach our kids that its ok to hit people. Quizbook
  • Score: -2

5:40pm Fri 25 Apr 14

pinions says...

normal1965 wrote:
ban the so called sport.its disgusting.
Don't be ridiculous - If man is kicked to death by a footballer, would you ban football?
[quote][p][bold]normal1965[/bold] wrote: ban the so called sport.its disgusting.[/p][/quote]Don't be ridiculous - If man is kicked to death by a footballer, would you ban football? pinions
  • Score: 8

6:36pm Fri 25 Apr 14

intruder_ash says...

The point is that someone with a taste for violence as wright clearly had ( although mainly against women) shouldnt be allowed the violent outlet of cage fighting, he had recently won a big fight before he killed kev and felt invinsible because of it.
The point is that someone with a taste for violence as wright clearly had ( although mainly against women) shouldnt be allowed the violent outlet of cage fighting, he had recently won a big fight before he killed kev and felt invinsible because of it. intruder_ash
  • Score: -10

7:24pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

dockboy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Lwyeth wrote:
I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.
Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point:

Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation.

I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this.
It may not have stopped this thug carrying out the horrendous act, but if he hadn't been trained to punch in a way that causes maximum damage, then the outcome may not have ended in this sad tragedy.
Thinking about the subject before putting pen to paper is probably not something that would interest you.

Deepest sympathy to all the Wyeth family.
I thought a great deal about the incident, thanks. That I didn't arrive at the same conclusion as you doesn't mean I didn't think about it. Thanks for the insult though.
[quote][p][bold]dockboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lwyeth[/bold] wrote: I am a member of the family, what is actually is being said, Not to ban cage fighting, but that it should be regulated so that violent offenders can not participate or train in such sports. It's people like him that give martial arts in this case a bad name. Cage fighting or other similar sports have genuine disciplined fighters who are good at what they do, I have no doubt about that, but if you have already a violent history, this is giving certain abusers of martial arts the opportunity to carry out their violent ways legally, and enjoy hurting others. Of course we don't want it banned, but maybe there should be regulations set to those who can take part in such sports of this nature. I'm sure a respected cage fighting club would never want to encourage their members to join if they knew of a very violent past history.[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing things up. I do have a question, though, well more a counter-point: Your family member was tragically lost in a criminal act of violence, not in an organised sporting event. Regulating cage fighting would not have made any difference to his fate. Damon Wright would still have been capable of doing what he did, would still have carried out this horrendous crime, whether he was allowed to partake in the sport or not. With every respect due, I think you are confusing causation and correlation. I'm so very sorry you and your family have been put through this.[/p][/quote]It may not have stopped this thug carrying out the horrendous act, but if he hadn't been trained to punch in a way that causes maximum damage, then the outcome may not have ended in this sad tragedy. Thinking about the subject before putting pen to paper is probably not something that would interest you. Deepest sympathy to all the Wyeth family.[/p][/quote]I thought a great deal about the incident, thanks. That I didn't arrive at the same conclusion as you doesn't mean I didn't think about it. Thanks for the insult though. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 10

7:40pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Quizbook wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help.

There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc.

I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much.

I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.
Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence.
The family are right.

If you dont want people to hurt other people, you dont teach them that violent activities such as cage fighting and boxing are ok.

Dont teach our kids that its ok to hit people.
What do children have to do with it? This is a pathetic argument. In other news, people are violent, sport or no sport.
[quote][p][bold]Quizbook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help. There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc. I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much. I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.[/p][/quote]Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence.[/p][/quote]The family are right. If you dont want people to hurt other people, you dont teach them that violent activities [ you cant call it a sport ] such as cage fighting and boxing are ok. Dont teach our kids that its ok to hit people.[/p][/quote]What do children have to do with it? This is a pathetic argument. In other news, people are violent, sport or no sport. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 10

8:40pm Fri 25 Apr 14

hantslass says...

The sentence was too lenient , he should be strung up and horse whipped for what he did to that lad. he is a evil nasty piece of work . now the tax payer has to keep him. he will probably be out in five years . how can anyone call it manslaughter the scumbag went out to do him real damage until he died
The sentence was too lenient , he should be strung up and horse whipped for what he did to that lad. he is a evil nasty piece of work . now the tax payer has to keep him. he will probably be out in five years . how can anyone call it manslaughter the scumbag went out to do him real damage until he died hantslass
  • Score: 10

9:22pm Fri 25 Apr 14

mr.southampton says...

Burt HInkler wrote:
Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence.
The jury should be bloody ashamed of themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Burt HInkler[/bold] wrote: Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence.[/p][/quote]The jury should be bloody ashamed of themselves. mr.southampton
  • Score: 6

9:54pm Fri 25 Apr 14

derek james says...

i would have called it premeditated he should have got life.50 years of liberal teaching methods have shown in the jury's verdict.the headline news yesterday was the supposed drop in crime, with sentences like this by no means uncommon it's hard to see how
i would have called it premeditated he should have got life.50 years of liberal teaching methods have shown in the jury's verdict.the headline news yesterday was the supposed drop in crime, with sentences like this by no means uncommon it's hard to see how derek james
  • Score: -1

10:04pm Fri 25 Apr 14

hantslass says...

mr.southampton wrote:
Burt HInkler wrote:
Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence.
The jury should be bloody ashamed of themselves.
Some judges deserve getting the sack . they are overpaid idiots sitting on the bench they have no commonsense when it comes to murder .how can they justify manslaughter when the lad was beaten to a pulp until he died
[quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Burt HInkler[/bold] wrote: Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence.[/p][/quote]The jury should be bloody ashamed of themselves.[/p][/quote]Some judges deserve getting the sack . they are overpaid idiots sitting on the bench they have no commonsense when it comes to murder .how can they justify manslaughter when the lad was beaten to a pulp until he died hantslass
  • Score: 0

7:23am Sat 26 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

hantslass wrote:
mr.southampton wrote:
Burt HInkler wrote:
Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence.
The jury should be bloody ashamed of themselves.
Some judges deserve getting the sack . they are overpaid idiots sitting on the bench they have no commonsense when it comes to murder .how can they justify manslaughter when the lad was beaten to a pulp until he died
What's it got to do with the judge? The jury found him guilty of manslaughter, the judge passes sentence, within sentencing guidelines. Like it or not, unless the jury agree he was guilty of murder, after being presented ALL THE FACTS, he doesn't get convicted of murder. Thank god none of you lot are involved in the justice system, since you seem to have not even the faintest grasp how it works.

"oh, well it said in the papers that he was a villain, so let's hang him!"

Utterly clueless.
[quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Burt HInkler[/bold] wrote: Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence.[/p][/quote]The jury should be bloody ashamed of themselves.[/p][/quote]Some judges deserve getting the sack . they are overpaid idiots sitting on the bench they have no commonsense when it comes to murder .how can they justify manslaughter when the lad was beaten to a pulp until he died[/p][/quote]What's it got to do with the judge? The jury found him guilty of manslaughter, the judge passes sentence, within sentencing guidelines. Like it or not, unless the jury agree he was guilty of murder, after being presented ALL THE FACTS, he doesn't get convicted of murder. Thank god none of you lot are involved in the justice system, since you seem to have not even the faintest grasp how it works. "oh, well it said in the papers that he was a villain, so let's hang him!" Utterly clueless. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 6

1:59pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Quizbook says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Quizbook wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help.

There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc.

I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much.

I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.
Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence.
The family are right.

If you dont want people to hurt other people, you dont teach them that violent activities such as cage fighting and boxing are ok.

Dont teach our kids that its ok to hit people.
What do children have to do with it? This is a pathetic argument. In other news, people are violent, sport or no sport.
Cage fighting and boxing are not sport. They teach people its ok to aim to hurt other people.
If you show kids its ok to do this, some will think is ok to do it to other people in the street / pub etc.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quizbook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help. There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc. I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much. I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.[/p][/quote]Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence.[/p][/quote]The family are right. If you dont want people to hurt other people, you dont teach them that violent activities [ you cant call it a sport ] such as cage fighting and boxing are ok. Dont teach our kids that its ok to hit people.[/p][/quote]What do children have to do with it? This is a pathetic argument. In other news, people are violent, sport or no sport.[/p][/quote]Cage fighting and boxing are not sport. They teach people its ok to aim to hurt other people. If you show kids its ok to do this, some will think is ok to do it to other people in the street / pub etc. Quizbook
  • Score: -1

3:17pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Quizbook wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Quizbook wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help.

There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc.

I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much.

I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.
Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence.
The family are right.

If you dont want people to hurt other people, you dont teach them that violent activities such as cage fighting and boxing are ok.

Dont teach our kids that its ok to hit people.
What do children have to do with it? This is a pathetic argument. In other news, people are violent, sport or no sport.
Cage fighting and boxing are not sport. They teach people its ok to aim to hurt other people.
If you show kids its ok to do this, some will think is ok to do it to other people in the street / pub etc.
They're not sport, simply because you say so? Nah, not buying it.
[quote][p][bold]Quizbook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quizbook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Whilst I have every sympathy for the family and find the sentence handed down offensive, to ask for cage fighting to be banned isn't going to help. There are many sports which thugs can get involved in, boxing etc. I hope the family don't go down the road of campaigning as this will just prolong the agony of losing someone you love so much. I genuinely wish the family the very best, they have been hard done by with the sentence handed down by the judge.[/p][/quote]Well put. It wasn't cage fighting that led to this tragedy, it was a man trained in violence. The family have got it back to front, it wasn't that cage fighting made this man capable of doing what he did, it's that men capable of doing what he did may be attracted to cage fighting. Banning the sport will do nothing at all to stop people training themselves to be capable of such a level of violence.[/p][/quote]The family are right. If you dont want people to hurt other people, you dont teach them that violent activities [ you cant call it a sport ] such as cage fighting and boxing are ok. Dont teach our kids that its ok to hit people.[/p][/quote]What do children have to do with it? This is a pathetic argument. In other news, people are violent, sport or no sport.[/p][/quote]Cage fighting and boxing are not sport. They teach people its ok to aim to hurt other people. If you show kids its ok to do this, some will think is ok to do it to other people in the street / pub etc.[/p][/quote]They're not sport, simply because you say so? Nah, not buying it. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 4

5:14pm Sat 26 Apr 14

hantslass says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
hantslass wrote:
mr.southampton wrote:
Burt HInkler wrote:
Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence.
The jury should be bloody ashamed of themselves.
Some judges deserve getting the sack . they are overpaid idiots sitting on the bench they have no commonsense when it comes to murder .how can they justify manslaughter when the lad was beaten to a pulp until he died
What's it got to do with the judge? The jury found him guilty of manslaughter, the judge passes sentence, within sentencing guidelines. Like it or not, unless the jury agree he was guilty of murder, after being presented ALL THE FACTS, he doesn't get convicted of murder. Thank god none of you lot are involved in the justice system, since you seem to have not even the faintest grasp how it works.

"oh, well it said in the papers that he was a villain, so let's hang him!"

Utterly clueless.
scum like him should be hung, how would anyone feel if their brother or father got kicked and punched to death , sorry but 10 years is just a slapped wrist . as for the jury , the judge behind the scenes has a great influence, the public dont hear about, even some jurors get sickened by the lenient sentencing
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Burt HInkler[/bold] wrote: Blatant murder, should be doing life sentence.[/p][/quote]The jury should be bloody ashamed of themselves.[/p][/quote]Some judges deserve getting the sack . they are overpaid idiots sitting on the bench they have no commonsense when it comes to murder .how can they justify manslaughter when the lad was beaten to a pulp until he died[/p][/quote]What's it got to do with the judge? The jury found him guilty of manslaughter, the judge passes sentence, within sentencing guidelines. Like it or not, unless the jury agree he was guilty of murder, after being presented ALL THE FACTS, he doesn't get convicted of murder. Thank god none of you lot are involved in the justice system, since you seem to have not even the faintest grasp how it works. "oh, well it said in the papers that he was a villain, so let's hang him!" Utterly clueless.[/p][/quote]scum like him should be hung, how would anyone feel if their brother or father got kicked and punched to death , sorry but 10 years is just a slapped wrist . as for the jury , the judge behind the scenes has a great influence, the public dont hear about, even some jurors get sickened by the lenient sentencing hantslass
  • Score: -2

1:18pm Sun 27 Apr 14

vag says...

Cage fighting is fine. At least it's a controlled environment. There are rules. The guys who do it are usually self disciplined athletes, who don't go looking for trouble, in fact the complete opposite is usually true, in my experience. Just because there was one bad apple, there's no need to junk the whole barrel.
Cage fighting is fine. At least it's a controlled environment. There are rules. The guys who do it are usually self disciplined athletes, who don't go looking for trouble, in fact the complete opposite is usually true, in my experience. Just because there was one bad apple, there's no need to junk the whole barrel. vag
  • Score: 1

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