Judge claims it was 'miracle' no one was hurt during drama on M27 at Hedge End

Terror on the motorway - driver prays as concrete boulder thrown from bridge

Terror on the motorway - driver prays as concrete boulder thrown from bridge

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A CONCRETE boulder was hurled from a bridge on to a Hampshire motorway, narrowly missing terrified motorists.

Driver Natalie Clare closed her eyes and prayed as a man stood on a bridge above the M27 brandishing a large block above his head.

The boulder narrowly missed her car and other vehicles when it was hurled to the road below.

Bronson Harley has now been sent to a specialist psychiatric hospital for an unlimited period of time after a judge claimed it was a “miracle” that no one was hurt.

Harley was detained under the Mental Health Act at a Southampton Crown Court hearing.

It came after Judge Derwin Hope ruled that the 22-year-old, from Somerton Avenue, Southampton, was unfit to plead to the allegation of endangering road users on June 28 last year.

Earlier the court heard how Harley – who has autism and severe learning difficulties – was seen throwing items from the St John’s Road bridge on to the westbound carriageway of the M27 at Hedge End.

Ms Clare, from Hedge End who was six months pregnant at the time, told the court how she called police moments after the boulder narrowly missed her car.

Another motorist, Kerry Alexander, was driving along St John’s Road when her daughter spotted Harley throwing things off the bridge.

She stopped the car and spoke to the man, who she saw was sweating profusely. He then ran off.

Police enforced a rolling motorway roadblock for colleagues to remove debris which cars had driven over. Harley was eventually arrested in Coates Road, Sholing.

He was found unfit to plead at a previous hearing at Southampton Crown Court. But after 30 minutes’ deliberation, jurors decided that he had committed the offence.

Yesterday mental health consultant Dr Lorna Duggan said that Harley’s understanding of the incident was “very limited” and that he previously referred to it as both “exciting” and “bad”.

She warned that he posed a danger to the public owing to previous aggressive outbursts to his family and psychiatric staff.

Dr Oliver White branded it an “isolated incident”.

Enforcing a hospital order with further restrictions, Judge Hope said: “While the reason for what he did is unknown, in my judgement there is serious risk of harmof committing further offences. He can give little insight into his behaviour.”

Judge Hope said it was a “miracle” that no one had been harmed and added: “Such an action is highly dangerous and could easily have fatal consequences.”

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7:22am Thu 8 May 14

wwozzer says...

More repeats than dave on here.
More repeats than dave on here. wwozzer
  • Score: 12

7:33am Thu 8 May 14

skeptik says...

When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'.
When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'. skeptik
  • Score: -4

8:02am Thu 8 May 14

normal1965 says...

skeptik wrote:
When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'.
he is not normal.my son also has autism and he also has an understanding problem, what a stupid comment to make about someone with a disability.numpty
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'.[/p][/quote]he is not normal.my son also has autism and he also has an understanding problem, what a stupid comment to make about someone with a disability.numpty normal1965
  • Score: 19

8:22am Thu 8 May 14

Hastagger says...

Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)!
Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)! Hastagger
  • Score: 13

8:40am Thu 8 May 14

oracle2627 says...

autism is not a mental illness its no good sending him to a mental health unit. pretty sure no punishment will make him understand why hes done it or to not do it again. he clearly needs more supervision and care to keep him and others safe. i wish him and his family the best of luck and i hope they all get the support that has clearly been lacking. just shows where things are going wrong for people with special needs and a system thats not working.
autism is not a mental illness its no good sending him to a mental health unit. pretty sure no punishment will make him understand why hes done it or to not do it again. he clearly needs more supervision and care to keep him and others safe. i wish him and his family the best of luck and i hope they all get the support that has clearly been lacking. just shows where things are going wrong for people with special needs and a system thats not working. oracle2627
  • Score: 38

9:03am Thu 8 May 14

SDE175 says...

Hastagger wrote:
Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)!
Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed.
[quote][p][bold]Hastagger[/bold] wrote: Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)![/p][/quote]Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed. SDE175
  • Score: 15

9:19am Thu 8 May 14

normal1965 says...

Hastagger wrote:
Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)!
lets hope you dont have a disabled child one day then.im saying that he needs help but your comment is so stupid.lets hope he gets all the help he needs.i feel sorry for the people on the road that day and lucky he didnt hurt or kill someone.but please think about your comments before you dont put your brain in gear.sadsack
[quote][p][bold]Hastagger[/bold] wrote: Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)![/p][/quote]lets hope you dont have a disabled child one day then.im saying that he needs help but your comment is so stupid.lets hope he gets all the help he needs.i feel sorry for the people on the road that day and lucky he didnt hurt or kill someone.but please think about your comments before you dont put your brain in gear.sadsack normal1965
  • Score: -13

9:20am Thu 8 May 14

Torchie1 says...

SDE175 wrote:
Hastagger wrote:
Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)!
Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed.
If his actions had led to one death or a number of deaths on this section of the M27 I'm sure that the affected families would have drawn comfort from the fact that he didn't know what he was doing. There comes a point when one persons 'human rights' are not more important than others and as such their illness should be classed as serious enough to warrant incarceration, as 'support' hasn't managed to adequately protect the rest of the public from him.
[quote][p][bold]SDE175[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hastagger[/bold] wrote: Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)![/p][/quote]Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed.[/p][/quote]If his actions had led to one death or a number of deaths on this section of the M27 I'm sure that the affected families would have drawn comfort from the fact that he didn't know what he was doing. There comes a point when one persons 'human rights' are not more important than others and as such their illness should be classed as serious enough to warrant incarceration, as 'support' hasn't managed to adequately protect the rest of the public from him. Torchie1
  • Score: 49

9:20am Thu 8 May 14

normal1965 says...

SDE175 wrote:
Hastagger wrote:
Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)!
Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed.
well said
[quote][p][bold]SDE175[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hastagger[/bold] wrote: Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)![/p][/quote]Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed.[/p][/quote]well said normal1965
  • Score: -14

9:23am Thu 8 May 14

normal1965 says...

Torchie1 wrote:
SDE175 wrote:
Hastagger wrote:
Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)!
Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed.
If his actions had led to one death or a number of deaths on this section of the M27 I'm sure that the affected families would have drawn comfort from the fact that he didn't know what he was doing. There comes a point when one persons 'human rights' are not more important than others and as such their illness should be classed as serious enough to warrant incarceration, as 'support' hasn't managed to adequately protect the rest of the public from him.
who said he was getting the support he needs,
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SDE175[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hastagger[/bold] wrote: Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)![/p][/quote]Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed.[/p][/quote]If his actions had led to one death or a number of deaths on this section of the M27 I'm sure that the affected families would have drawn comfort from the fact that he didn't know what he was doing. There comes a point when one persons 'human rights' are not more important than others and as such their illness should be classed as serious enough to warrant incarceration, as 'support' hasn't managed to adequately protect the rest of the public from him.[/p][/quote]who said he was getting the support he needs, normal1965
  • Score: -9

9:42am Thu 8 May 14

ShellyBaldwin says...

He needs to be sentanced, If he is going to perform life threatening actions he needs to suffer the consequences. Autism or no autism.
He needs to be sentanced, If he is going to perform life threatening actions he needs to suffer the consequences. Autism or no autism. ShellyBaldwin
  • Score: 25

9:43am Thu 8 May 14

kiddynamite says...

what a douche! This kind of behaviour should not be blamed on a illness, that's a weak excuse. This pr1ck could have killed someone! Prison and a slap should have been given to him!!
what a douche! This kind of behaviour should not be blamed on a illness, that's a weak excuse. This pr1ck could have killed someone! Prison and a slap should have been given to him!! kiddynamite
  • Score: 19

9:50am Thu 8 May 14

Hastagger says...

SDE175 wrote:
Hastagger wrote:
Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)!
Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed.
I do have compassion, but what about the lady who he nearly dropped a concrete block on!? I'm not saying send him to prison, but he does need to be kept locked away so he is not a danger to the public - which he clearly is. How would you feel if it was your wife or daughter in that car - they could have been killed. How would your compassion work then?!

Support if one thing, but unless you can have someone with him 24/7 and ensuring he is not a danger, he should be locked up!
[quote][p][bold]SDE175[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hastagger[/bold] wrote: Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)![/p][/quote]Seriously, I love your compassion. You clearly have no understanding of Autism. Do you have children? Perhaps if you had a child with Autism you would not be so narrow minded. He was not trying to kill people, he would not have understood the consequences of what he was doing. None of us know the full facts of this case but what we do know is that it was very lucky that nobody was seriously injured and that somewhere along the line this young man was not getting the support that he needed.[/p][/quote]I do have compassion, but what about the lady who he nearly dropped a concrete block on!? I'm not saying send him to prison, but he does need to be kept locked away so he is not a danger to the public - which he clearly is. How would you feel if it was your wife or daughter in that car - they could have been killed. How would your compassion work then?! Support if one thing, but unless you can have someone with him 24/7 and ensuring he is not a danger, he should be locked up! Hastagger
  • Score: 34

9:59am Thu 8 May 14

skeptik says...

normal1965 says...

skeptik wrote:
When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'.

he is not normal.my son also has autism and he also has an understanding problem, what a stupid comment to make about someone with a disability.num------
----------------Perh
aps you should think first I used this in a general way - I did not specify an individual - as I said 'when caught' - which does not apply here does it? Try thinking about what you read before reacting.
normal1965 says... skeptik wrote: When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'. he is not normal.my son also has autism and he also has an understanding problem, what a stupid comment to make about someone with a disability.num------ ----------------Perh aps you should think first I used this in a general way - I did not specify an individual - as I said 'when caught' - which does not apply here does it? Try thinking about what you read before reacting. skeptik
  • Score: 4

10:39am Thu 8 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

I think there's some very silly comments on here, narrow minded and ignorant.

The man committed a crime but thankfully nobody was hurt. There is no excuses or hiding, the story suggests he is at the higher end of the Autism spectrum and sees the world in a different way. This man needs help and support as he will not understand a punishment so the long term effect could only make him worse and an even greater danger to the public.

After all, if a two year old child committed murder, would you punish them the same as an adult? No you wouldn't and the same applies here. The good that has come out of this is that nobody was hurt but it has highlighted what a danger the man is to himself and others and should now get the help he needs. For those of you that would obviously get personal pleasure to see the man locked up, maybe try and get some pleasure that another living person will be able to get the support he needs to live his life as I assume you all do.
I think there's some very silly comments on here, narrow minded and ignorant. The man committed a crime but thankfully nobody was hurt. There is no excuses or hiding, the story suggests he is at the higher end of the Autism spectrum and sees the world in a different way. This man needs help and support as he will not understand a punishment so the long term effect could only make him worse and an even greater danger to the public. After all, if a two year old child committed murder, would you punish them the same as an adult? No you wouldn't and the same applies here. The good that has come out of this is that nobody was hurt but it has highlighted what a danger the man is to himself and others and should now get the help he needs. For those of you that would obviously get personal pleasure to see the man locked up, maybe try and get some pleasure that another living person will be able to get the support he needs to live his life as I assume you all do. sotonboy84
  • Score: 3

11:18am Thu 8 May 14

Hastagger says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
I think there's some very silly comments on here, narrow minded and ignorant.

The man committed a crime but thankfully nobody was hurt. There is no excuses or hiding, the story suggests he is at the higher end of the Autism spectrum and sees the world in a different way. This man needs help and support as he will not understand a punishment so the long term effect could only make him worse and an even greater danger to the public.

After all, if a two year old child committed murder, would you punish them the same as an adult? No you wouldn't and the same applies here. The good that has come out of this is that nobody was hurt but it has highlighted what a danger the man is to himself and others and should now get the help he needs. For those of you that would obviously get personal pleasure to see the man locked up, maybe try and get some pleasure that another living person will be able to get the support he needs to live his life as I assume you all do.
It's not personal pleasure from seeing him locked up, it is relief that he is not free to kill (whether he understands it or not). As for your analogy of a 2 year old, you would expect them to be under the constant supervision of an adult, so they would step in. I said earlier, that unless we can guarantee 24/7 supervision, then he should be locked up to protect the public. Not for my pleasure. I do hope that if he is let out and not supervised, it is one of the left wing do gooders on here who he hurts, not an innocent member of the public...
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I think there's some very silly comments on here, narrow minded and ignorant. The man committed a crime but thankfully nobody was hurt. There is no excuses or hiding, the story suggests he is at the higher end of the Autism spectrum and sees the world in a different way. This man needs help and support as he will not understand a punishment so the long term effect could only make him worse and an even greater danger to the public. After all, if a two year old child committed murder, would you punish them the same as an adult? No you wouldn't and the same applies here. The good that has come out of this is that nobody was hurt but it has highlighted what a danger the man is to himself and others and should now get the help he needs. For those of you that would obviously get personal pleasure to see the man locked up, maybe try and get some pleasure that another living person will be able to get the support he needs to live his life as I assume you all do.[/p][/quote]It's not personal pleasure from seeing him locked up, it is relief that he is not free to kill (whether he understands it or not). As for your analogy of a 2 year old, you would expect them to be under the constant supervision of an adult, so they would step in. I said earlier, that unless we can guarantee 24/7 supervision, then he should be locked up to protect the public. Not for my pleasure. I do hope that if he is let out and not supervised, it is one of the left wing do gooders on here who he hurts, not an innocent member of the public... Hastagger
  • Score: 27

11:21am Thu 8 May 14

Mary80 says...

If he did have "severe" issues why the HELL wasn't anyone with him.
If he did have "severe" issues why the HELL wasn't anyone with him. Mary80
  • Score: 24

11:35am Thu 8 May 14

BeyondImagination says...

Hastagger wrote:
Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)!
Clearly this man needs care and supervision from professionals to keep him and the public safe.
[quote][p][bold]Hastagger[/bold] wrote: Seriously, this bloke needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural life. I don't care about his human rights, what about those of the innocent people he tried to kill. Whether he knew what he was doing, or not, he needs to be kept locked up for life (and that means life, not 12 years)![/p][/quote]Clearly this man needs care and supervision from professionals to keep him and the public safe. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 21

12:18pm Thu 8 May 14

The Wickham Man says...

normal1965 wrote:
skeptik wrote:
When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'.
he is not normal.my son also has autism and he also has an understanding problem, what a stupid comment to make about someone with a disability.numpty
Autism describes a spectrum not a single condition, and to some degree everyone is on it somewhere. Just issuing people with a "Get Out of Jail Free" card for a growing number of ailments that didn't even exist 50 years ago is what is stupid so button it, or learn.
[quote][p][bold]normal1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'.[/p][/quote]he is not normal.my son also has autism and he also has an understanding problem, what a stupid comment to make about someone with a disability.numpty[/p][/quote]Autism describes a spectrum not a single condition, and to some degree everyone is on it somewhere. Just issuing people with a "Get Out of Jail Free" card for a growing number of ailments that didn't even exist 50 years ago is what is stupid so button it, or learn. The Wickham Man
  • Score: 18

12:22pm Thu 8 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Mary80 wrote:
If he did have "severe" issues why the HELL wasn't anyone with him.
Good question, which is difficult to answer. So mine is only a guess.

Shortage of staff to provide support for people like the 22 year old but with mental age of a baby.

That may be for two reasons.
1:To work with such people may require lots of patience, it can be very challanging, especially for likes of those with hang or shoot mindset who often contribute on this website, but can be satisfying for those who get satisfaction through helping another member of human race.
2: Shortage of funding, caused by spending priorities of those whom us the voters elect to decide on our behalf. If they prefer to spend billions on bombing and killing people of another nation, like they did in Iraq, or waste money on encouraging neo nazis, as they are now doing in Ukraine, or to contribute to the coffers of religious groups so that they 'may' sing the tune most of our political class want to hear and deliver divisions in society so that establishment may rule without united public making relavent demands.

Any way good news is that thankfully due to the actions of an unsupervised autistic person nobody got hurt, especially the lady who was pregnant. For saving that life although I am non believer even I will say THANK GOD.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: If he did have "severe" issues why the HELL wasn't anyone with him.[/p][/quote]Good question, which is difficult to answer. So mine is only a guess. Shortage of staff to provide support for people like the 22 year old but with mental age of a baby. That may be for two reasons. 1:To work with such people may require lots of patience, it can be very challanging, especially for likes of those with hang or shoot mindset who often contribute on this website, but can be satisfying for those who get satisfaction through helping another member of human race. 2: Shortage of funding, caused by spending priorities of those whom us the voters elect to decide on our behalf. If they prefer to spend billions on bombing and killing people of another nation, like they did in Iraq, or waste money on encouraging neo nazis, as they are now doing in Ukraine, or to contribute to the coffers of religious groups so that they 'may' sing the tune most of our political class want to hear and deliver divisions in society so that establishment may rule without united public making relavent demands. Any way good news is that thankfully due to the actions of an unsupervised autistic person nobody got hurt, especially the lady who was pregnant. For saving that life although I am non believer even I will say THANK GOD. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 7

3:33pm Thu 8 May 14

wilson castaway says...

My best friends son has autism.She had to fight to get care for her son just so she can work a few hours a week.After a child with autism reaches 18 unless they are put into residential care there is no where in Southampton for them to go.He used to go to a special school but there is no second place for him to go after.The powers at be tried to get him a place at a normal college which is ridiculous as the poor lad can't handle noise and hustle and bustle.Many children with autism regress if they have no where to go and now he is practically housebound with an occasional visit to town supervised.If you do no understand autism do not presume its an excuse for bad behaviour.Its not.
My best friends son has autism.She had to fight to get care for her son just so she can work a few hours a week.After a child with autism reaches 18 unless they are put into residential care there is no where in Southampton for them to go.He used to go to a special school but there is no second place for him to go after.The powers at be tried to get him a place at a normal college which is ridiculous as the poor lad can't handle noise and hustle and bustle.Many children with autism regress if they have no where to go and now he is practically housebound with an occasional visit to town supervised.If you do no understand autism do not presume its an excuse for bad behaviour.Its not. wilson castaway
  • Score: 8

4:07pm Thu 8 May 14

sparkster says...

instead of condemning the poor lad i suggest the less compassionate among you read up on the condition then perhaps you will understand it and wont be so quick to jump on the "lock him up" bandwagon. I also know someone whose son is autistic, compassion is needed for these poor people not condemnation
instead of condemning the poor lad i suggest the less compassionate among you read up on the condition then perhaps you will understand it and wont be so quick to jump on the "lock him up" bandwagon. I also know someone whose son is autistic, compassion is needed for these poor people not condemnation sparkster
  • Score: -9

5:16pm Thu 8 May 14

Torchie1 says...

sparkster wrote:
instead of condemning the poor lad i suggest the less compassionate among you read up on the condition then perhaps you will understand it and wont be so quick to jump on the "lock him up" bandwagon. I also know someone whose son is autistic, compassion is needed for these poor people not condemnation
As this person was hurling lumps of concrete from a Motorway bridge, what would you be saying to the bereaved families if he had managed to cause a coach full of school children to crash at speed and multiple deaths resulted? It's more than compassion for the individual, it's concern for society at large that the individuals rights seem to be the more important aspect. Everyone has a right to respect and compassion, no-one has the right to inflict pain and injury because of a mental condition and still be allowed to roam freely.
[quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: instead of condemning the poor lad i suggest the less compassionate among you read up on the condition then perhaps you will understand it and wont be so quick to jump on the "lock him up" bandwagon. I also know someone whose son is autistic, compassion is needed for these poor people not condemnation[/p][/quote]As this person was hurling lumps of concrete from a Motorway bridge, what would you be saying to the bereaved families if he had managed to cause a coach full of school children to crash at speed and multiple deaths resulted? It's more than compassion for the individual, it's concern for society at large that the individuals rights seem to be the more important aspect. Everyone has a right to respect and compassion, no-one has the right to inflict pain and injury because of a mental condition and still be allowed to roam freely. Torchie1
  • Score: 17

5:30pm Thu 8 May 14

Zootopian says...

wwozzer wrote:
More repeats than dave on here.
Only if you don't understand how court cases work.
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: More repeats than dave on here.[/p][/quote]Only if you don't understand how court cases work. Zootopian
  • Score: 1

6:15pm Thu 8 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

The science of genetic or chromosomal abnormalities is (relatively speaking) still in its infancy.
My own daughter has a chromosomal aberration, which despite her having learning difficulties,wasn't diagnosable until she was in her thirties,because up to that point the science of her particular condition wasn't that advanced.
In past centuries,people who were unfortunate enough to have suffered what are now medically recognised syndromes(and let's remember here,that "there but for the grace of God,go I ),would simply have been regarded as " village idiots" by the society within which they lived,and treated as objects of fun,or derision.
We now live in a supposedly more compassionate and enlightened age,but the mentally challenged and elderly of our society, paradoxically,still receive less compassion than many in society,when one consider that these are conditions which can or will effect every one of us.
If someone is a danger to society,then obviously,steps must be taken to ensure that the society is protected from the threat which that person may pose,but this is why(without trying to make a political point),the cut backs in welfare and social service budgets,sometimes beggars belief.
The science of genetic or chromosomal abnormalities is (relatively speaking) still in its infancy. My own daughter has a chromosomal aberration, which despite her having learning difficulties,wasn't diagnosable until she was in her thirties,because up to that point the science of her particular condition wasn't that advanced. In past centuries,people who were unfortunate enough to have suffered what are now medically recognised syndromes(and let's remember here,that "there but for the grace of God,go I ),would simply have been regarded as " village idiots" by the society within which they lived,and treated as objects of fun,or derision. We now live in a supposedly more compassionate and enlightened age,but the mentally challenged and elderly of our society, paradoxically,still receive less compassion than many in society,when one consider that these are conditions which can or will effect every one of us. If someone is a danger to society,then obviously,steps must be taken to ensure that the society is protected from the threat which that person may pose,but this is why(without trying to make a political point),the cut backs in welfare and social service budgets,sometimes beggars belief. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

6:24pm Thu 8 May 14

Reality-man says...

Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity
Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity Reality-man
  • Score: -6

7:19pm Thu 8 May 14

Stubs says...

Hand cuff him and lock him up. We will all be safe.
Hand cuff him and lock him up. We will all be safe. Stubs
  • Score: -3

8:02pm Thu 8 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Reality-man wrote:
Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity
Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding?
[quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity[/p][/quote]Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -6

9:21pm Thu 8 May 14

Reality-man says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Reality-man wrote:
Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity
Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding?
My point exactly! Some of the above need to crawl back in to their caves!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity[/p][/quote]Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding?[/p][/quote]My point exactly! Some of the above need to crawl back in to their caves! Reality-man
  • Score: -4

9:33pm Thu 8 May 14

SOULJACKER says...

Put a roof on the bridges or make the railings higher so people can't chuck stuff over.
Some kids dropped an old steering wheel off a bridge as I went under & fortunately it landed on the central reservation but it does sh!t you up for sure when it happens!
Put a roof on the bridges or make the railings higher so people can't chuck stuff over. Some kids dropped an old steering wheel off a bridge as I went under & fortunately it landed on the central reservation but it does sh!t you up for sure when it happens! SOULJACKER
  • Score: 5

9:53pm Thu 8 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Reality-man wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Reality-man wrote:
Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity
Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding?
My point exactly! Some of the above need to crawl back in to their caves!
A thumbs down for suggesting that a lack of tolerance and understanding might be dangerous...hmm,I rest my case!
[quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity[/p][/quote]Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding?[/p][/quote]My point exactly! Some of the above need to crawl back in to their caves![/p][/quote]A thumbs down for suggesting that a lack of tolerance and understanding might be dangerous...hmm,I rest my case! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -5

10:28pm Thu 8 May 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
normal1965 wrote:
skeptik wrote:
When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'.
he is not normal.my son also has autism and he also has an understanding problem, what a stupid comment to make about someone with a disability.numpty
Autism describes a spectrum not a single condition, and to some degree everyone is on it somewhere. Just issuing people with a "Get Out of Jail Free" card for a growing number of ailments that didn't even exist 50 years ago is what is stupid so button it, or learn.
used to burn witches too.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]normal1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: When caught and facing the bench - perhaps the bench will dust off that old unused part of sentencing -'as an example to others'.[/p][/quote]he is not normal.my son also has autism and he also has an understanding problem, what a stupid comment to make about someone with a disability.numpty[/p][/quote]Autism describes a spectrum not a single condition, and to some degree everyone is on it somewhere. Just issuing people with a "Get Out of Jail Free" card for a growing number of ailments that didn't even exist 50 years ago is what is stupid so button it, or learn.[/p][/quote]used to burn witches too. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: -4

10:32pm Thu 8 May 14

SOULJACKER says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Reality-man wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Reality-man wrote:
Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity
Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding?
My point exactly! Some of the above need to crawl back in to their caves!
A thumbs down for suggesting that a lack of tolerance and understanding might be dangerous...hmm,I rest my case!
So when someone loses a loved one the defence is that 'he ain't normal', I'll tell you what my response would be to that but it would get censored!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity[/p][/quote]Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding?[/p][/quote]My point exactly! Some of the above need to crawl back in to their caves![/p][/quote]A thumbs down for suggesting that a lack of tolerance and understanding might be dangerous...hmm,I rest my case![/p][/quote]So when someone loses a loved one the defence is that 'he ain't normal', I'll tell you what my response would be to that but it would get censored! SOULJACKER
  • Score: 3

10:58pm Thu 8 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Reality-man wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Reality-man wrote:
Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity
Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding?
My point exactly! Some of the above need to crawl back in to their caves!
A thumbs down for suggesting that a lack of tolerance and understanding might be dangerous...hmm,I rest my case!
So when someone loses a loved one the defence is that 'he ain't normal', I'll tell you what my response would be to that but it would get censored!
Well,if it's true,then that would be the defence, yes.
It's called justice.Like it or not,everyone is entitled to it.
Legally enforced tolerance and understanding,as opposed to the lynch mob.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity[/p][/quote]Except maybe lack of tolerance and understanding?[/p][/quote]My point exactly! Some of the above need to crawl back in to their caves![/p][/quote]A thumbs down for suggesting that a lack of tolerance and understanding might be dangerous...hmm,I rest my case![/p][/quote]So when someone loses a loved one the defence is that 'he ain't normal', I'll tell you what my response would be to that but it would get censored![/p][/quote]Well,if it's true,then that would be the defence, yes. It's called justice.Like it or not,everyone is entitled to it. Legally enforced tolerance and understanding,as opposed to the lynch mob. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -5

8:47am Fri 9 May 14

Dai Rear says...

I understand why the law treats people with fundamental mental disorders differently but it goes so far from anything that I've ever read of the personality disorder (not major mental dysfunction) autism, to say that an autistic person is, essentially not human.That he cannot tell the difference between right and wrong, which is what distinguishes man from beast.
I find the choice of forename disturbing. Even 22 years ago Charles Bronson was known as Britain's most dangerous prisoner. Why anyone should then choose "Bronson" as a forename for a child is quite beyond me.
I understand why the law treats people with fundamental mental disorders differently but it goes so far from anything that I've ever read of the personality disorder (not major mental dysfunction) autism, to say that an autistic person is, essentially not human.That he cannot tell the difference between right and wrong, which is what distinguishes man from beast. I find the choice of forename disturbing. Even 22 years ago Charles Bronson was known as Britain's most dangerous prisoner. Why anyone should then choose "Bronson" as a forename for a child is quite beyond me. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

1:05pm Fri 9 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Dai Rear wrote:
I understand why the law treats people with fundamental mental disorders differently but it goes so far from anything that I've ever read of the personality disorder (not major mental dysfunction) autism, to say that an autistic person is, essentially not human.That he cannot tell the difference between right and wrong, which is what distinguishes man from beast.
I find the choice of forename disturbing. Even 22 years ago Charles Bronson was known as Britain's most dangerous prisoner. Why anyone should then choose "Bronson" as a forename for a child is quite beyond me.
Most of the problems have arisen since "Care in the Community" was introduced as a " cost-effective" alternative to institutionalism.
Throwing the word "Care" into the title conveniently glossing over the fact that this was a cynical act of money saving,which subsequently threw many hapless individuals out into the mercy of the "Community" (which was supposedly "caring" for them),to be simply left to their own devices.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: I understand why the law treats people with fundamental mental disorders differently but it goes so far from anything that I've ever read of the personality disorder (not major mental dysfunction) autism, to say that an autistic person is, essentially not human.That he cannot tell the difference between right and wrong, which is what distinguishes man from beast. I find the choice of forename disturbing. Even 22 years ago Charles Bronson was known as Britain's most dangerous prisoner. Why anyone should then choose "Bronson" as a forename for a child is quite beyond me.[/p][/quote]Most of the problems have arisen since "Care in the Community" was introduced as a " cost-effective" alternative to institutionalism. Throwing the word "Care" into the title conveniently glossing over the fact that this was a cynical act of money saving,which subsequently threw many hapless individuals out into the mercy of the "Community" (which was supposedly "caring" for them),to be simply left to their own devices. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

4:54pm Fri 23 May 14

djbon87 says...

The fact this lady was pregnant is totally irrelevant... this is unacceptable behaviour and could have killed anyone. The ONLY way to stop things like this is to put cages over the top of the bridge like they've already done at most footbridges.
The fact this lady was pregnant is totally irrelevant... this is unacceptable behaviour and could have killed anyone. The ONLY way to stop things like this is to put cages over the top of the bridge like they've already done at most footbridges. djbon87
  • Score: 0

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