Woman attacked in St Andrews Road, St Marys, after leaving nightclub

Daily Echo: Manhunt after serious sex attack in Southampton Manhunt after serious sex attack in Southampton

A police hunt has been launched after a serious sex attack in Southampton today.

It happened as the victim walked hom from a nightclub in the early hours of this morning.

The 23-year-old victim has told police she was assaulted on St Andrews Road in the St Marys area of the city between 2.30am and 3.30am.

Daily Echo:

The victim was walking alone after separating from friends at the Edge nightclub when she was approached and assaulted by an unknown man.

The suspect is described as a black man wearing a black cap, black gloves, tracksuit trousers and a black shirt.

Daily Echo:

Detective Inspector Jim Park, pictured below, from Southampton Central police station said: “Specially trained officers are currently assisting the victim and working with her to establish further details.

“We would like to hear from anyone who has information that may assist our investigation.

“Were you in the area of St Andrews Road during the early hours of Sunday, May 11 and did you see or hear anything around the time of the incident?

“If you have any concerns or questions please speak to an officer or call 101.”

Anyone with information is asked to contact Southampton CID on 101 or the anonymous Crimestoppers charity on 0800 555 111.

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12:14pm Sun 11 May 14

SOULJACKER says...

This is obviously something that keeps happening, so maybe the Police should have more of an 'On street' presence in the early hours rather than looking for raves & parties in the wilds of Hampshire to break up.
Alright, it is a bit dumb walking around in the early hours on your own in a well known 'Dodgy' area, but it has happened so many times now that the authorities really should be looking at sort of prevention before somebody gets killed.
This is obviously something that keeps happening, so maybe the Police should have more of an 'On street' presence in the early hours rather than looking for raves & parties in the wilds of Hampshire to break up. Alright, it is a bit dumb walking around in the early hours on your own in a well known 'Dodgy' area, but it has happened so many times now that the authorities really should be looking at sort of prevention before somebody gets killed. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 66

12:19pm Sun 11 May 14

sotonbusdriver says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
This is obviously something that keeps happening, so maybe the Police should have more of an 'On street' presence in the early hours rather than looking for raves & parties in the wilds of Hampshire to break up.
Alright, it is a bit dumb walking around in the early hours on your own in a well known 'Dodgy' area, but it has happened so many times now that the authorities really should be looking at sort of prevention before somebody gets killed.
In full agreement... This type of attack is becoming common in town.
People are silly to walk alone especially in dodgy areas like this.
If you want a night out, book a taxi or arrange a lift at a set time home, from the venue... It doesn't cost much more than a few drinks to protect yourselves
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: This is obviously something that keeps happening, so maybe the Police should have more of an 'On street' presence in the early hours rather than looking for raves & parties in the wilds of Hampshire to break up. Alright, it is a bit dumb walking around in the early hours on your own in a well known 'Dodgy' area, but it has happened so many times now that the authorities really should be looking at sort of prevention before somebody gets killed.[/p][/quote]In full agreement... This type of attack is becoming common in town. People are silly to walk alone especially in dodgy areas like this. If you want a night out, book a taxi or arrange a lift at a set time home, from the venue... It doesn't cost much more than a few drinks to protect yourselves sotonbusdriver
  • Score: 45

12:26pm Sun 11 May 14

Mary80 says...

Just arm women with tasers problem solved
Just arm women with tasers problem solved Mary80
  • Score: -27

12:37pm Sun 11 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Mary80 wrote:
Just arm women with tasers problem solved
You really should try & think before you type.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: Just arm women with tasers problem solved[/p][/quote]You really should try & think before you type. sotonboy84
  • Score: 30

12:48pm Sun 11 May 14

emma.charliie91 says...

Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!!
Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!!
Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!! Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!! emma.charliie91
  • Score: 23

12:53pm Sun 11 May 14

Huey says...

Southampton yet again earning it's well deserved place as the rape, traffic, and home invasion capital of the south
Southampton yet again earning it's well deserved place as the rape, traffic, and home invasion capital of the south Huey
  • Score: -3

1:27pm Sun 11 May 14

Donald2000 says...

Huey wrote:
Southampton yet again earning it's well deserved place as the rape, traffic, and home invasion capital of the south
I think it would be better if young ladies were escorted home by their friends, or failing that, ordered a taxi. Being alone on these streets after midnight is not necessarily such a good idea. I hope the victim recovers to full health very soon.
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Southampton yet again earning it's well deserved place as the rape, traffic, and home invasion capital of the south[/p][/quote]I think it would be better if young ladies were escorted home by their friends, or failing that, ordered a taxi. Being alone on these streets after midnight is not necessarily such a good idea. I hope the victim recovers to full health very soon. Donald2000
  • Score: 4

1:31pm Sun 11 May 14

Sam Ling says...

How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong. Sam Ling
  • Score: 85

1:38pm Sun 11 May 14

Huey says...

Huey wrote:
Southampton yet again earning it's well deserved place as the rape, traffic, and home invasion capital of the south
Oops I forgot to add arson to that list
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Southampton yet again earning it's well deserved place as the rape, traffic, and home invasion capital of the south[/p][/quote]Oops I forgot to add arson to that list Huey
  • Score: -10

1:39pm Sun 11 May 14

userds5050 says...

Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue. userds5050
  • Score: 10

2:11pm Sun 11 May 14

Sam Ling says...

userds5050 wrote:
Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.
Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker.

These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.[/p][/quote]Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker. These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable. Sam Ling
  • Score: 27

2:29pm Sun 11 May 14

SOULJACKER says...

Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Are you reading a different set of comments to everybody else or something?...I don't think anyone is saying that are they?
I think the consensus of opinion would be that 'Man' or 'Woman', you really need to think twice before walking anywhere (certainly St Mary's) at that hour because it is so widely publicised that this sort of stuff sadly occurs.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Are you reading a different set of comments to everybody else or something?...I don't think anyone is saying that are they? I think the consensus of opinion would be that 'Man' or 'Woman', you really need to think twice before walking anywhere (certainly St Mary's) at that hour because it is so widely publicised that this sort of stuff sadly occurs. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 10

2:39pm Sun 11 May 14

SOULJACKER says...

Sam Ling wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.
Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker.

These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable.
Nobody is saying that it is the victims fault are they!
Myself or any of my family would never even consider walking around these streets at these hours, you would have to be nuts!
I am still not blaming the victim but people need to take a little personal responsibility for their own wellbeing ie: Young girl wandering around the streets on her own in the early hours (probably a little worse for wear) is not a good idea when you don't know what 'weirdos' are lurking on the streets at stupid O'clock in the morning.
We don't have a large Police presence round here & we don't live in the 'Little house on the prairie' or on 'Waltons mountain' these are bad places at night!
[quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.[/p][/quote]Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker. These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable.[/p][/quote]Nobody is saying that it is the victims fault are they! Myself or any of my family would never even consider walking around these streets at these hours, you would have to be nuts! I am still not blaming the victim but people need to take a little personal responsibility for their own wellbeing ie: Young girl wandering around the streets on her own in the early hours (probably a little worse for wear) is not a good idea when you don't know what 'weirdos' are lurking on the streets at stupid O'clock in the morning. We don't have a large Police presence round here & we don't live in the 'Little house on the prairie' or on 'Waltons mountain' these are bad places at night! SOULJACKER
  • Score: -1

2:51pm Sun 11 May 14

downfader says...

emma.charliie91 wrote:
Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!!
Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!!
Why?

The real issue is that pervs shouldnt attack people, not that women should be forced to stay in groups or alter their own behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]emma.charliie91[/bold] wrote: Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!! Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!![/p][/quote]Why? The real issue is that pervs shouldnt attack people, not that women should be forced to stay in groups or alter their own behaviour. downfader
  • Score: 24

3:01pm Sun 11 May 14

Sam Ling says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Are you reading a different set of comments to everybody else or something?...I don't think anyone is saying that are they?
I think the consensus of opinion would be that 'Man' or 'Woman', you really need to think twice before walking anywhere (certainly St Mary's) at that hour because it is so widely publicised that this sort of stuff sadly occurs.
Im reading the same comments which have remarked on her foolihness or stupidity for daring to walk at night, with no mention from anyone in those initial comments (and barely a mention since) of the rapist.

I'm not saying that people are saying the attack is justified, but it is a classic case of victim blaming, placing responsibility on the victim for the attack rather than the attacker.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Are you reading a different set of comments to everybody else or something?...I don't think anyone is saying that are they? I think the consensus of opinion would be that 'Man' or 'Woman', you really need to think twice before walking anywhere (certainly St Mary's) at that hour because it is so widely publicised that this sort of stuff sadly occurs.[/p][/quote]Im reading the same comments which have remarked on her foolihness or stupidity for daring to walk at night, with no mention from anyone in those initial comments (and barely a mention since) of the rapist. I'm not saying that people are saying the attack is justified, but it is a classic case of victim blaming, placing responsibility on the victim for the attack rather than the attacker. Sam Ling
  • Score: 19

3:36pm Sun 11 May 14

downfader says...

Sam Ling wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Are you reading a different set of comments to everybody else or something?...I don't think anyone is saying that are they?
I think the consensus of opinion would be that 'Man' or 'Woman', you really need to think twice before walking anywhere (certainly St Mary's) at that hour because it is so widely publicised that this sort of stuff sadly occurs.
Im reading the same comments which have remarked on her foolihness or stupidity for daring to walk at night, with no mention from anyone in those initial comments (and barely a mention since) of the rapist.

I'm not saying that people are saying the attack is justified, but it is a classic case of victim blaming, placing responsibility on the victim for the attack rather than the attacker.
I wonder... has the Echo had to remove some comments since this was published online this morning?

Would account for some of the other comments.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Are you reading a different set of comments to everybody else or something?...I don't think anyone is saying that are they? I think the consensus of opinion would be that 'Man' or 'Woman', you really need to think twice before walking anywhere (certainly St Mary's) at that hour because it is so widely publicised that this sort of stuff sadly occurs.[/p][/quote]Im reading the same comments which have remarked on her foolihness or stupidity for daring to walk at night, with no mention from anyone in those initial comments (and barely a mention since) of the rapist. I'm not saying that people are saying the attack is justified, but it is a classic case of victim blaming, placing responsibility on the victim for the attack rather than the attacker.[/p][/quote]I wonder... has the Echo had to remove some comments since this was published online this morning? Would account for some of the other comments. downfader
  • Score: 3

3:57pm Sun 11 May 14

userds5050 says...

Sam Ling wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.
Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker.

These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable.
People aren't going to stop raping though. Yours is a very naive point of view I'm afraid. You're entitled to it but it won't keep you safe.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.[/p][/quote]Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker. These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable.[/p][/quote]People aren't going to stop raping though. Yours is a very naive point of view I'm afraid. You're entitled to it but it won't keep you safe. userds5050
  • Score: 2

5:00pm Sun 11 May 14

Mary80 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Just arm women with tasers problem solved
You really should try & think before you type.
Women have the right to defend themselves if women actually tasered these rapist arseholes they wouldnt dare think twice would they, clearly throwing them in jail does NOTHING maybe a few thousand jolts would deter them
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: Just arm women with tasers problem solved[/p][/quote]You really should try & think before you type.[/p][/quote]Women have the right to defend themselves if women actually tasered these rapist arseholes they wouldnt dare think twice would they, clearly throwing them in jail does NOTHING maybe a few thousand jolts would deter them Mary80
  • Score: -2

5:11pm Sun 11 May 14

Donald2000 says...

downfader wrote:
emma.charliie91 wrote:
Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!!
Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!!
Why?

The real issue is that pervs shouldnt attack people, not that women should be forced to stay in groups or alter their own behaviour.
But surely that's asking pervs not to be pervs?

How would you go about stopping them being pervs, apart from putting them in prison or giving them the chemical cosh. Don't forget that there are some very high profile cases going on about this sort of thing. What is your answer to it? Believe me, I have done a lot of work in this area and even after being arrested, these people will still act out their personality disorders in the police station. If psychiatrists cannot stop it, what makes you think that you can?

We should encourage young people to try and be safe; that means looking after themselves and each other. That means not letting your mates wander off alone into the badlands by themselves.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emma.charliie91[/bold] wrote: Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!! Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!![/p][/quote]Why? The real issue is that pervs shouldnt attack people, not that women should be forced to stay in groups or alter their own behaviour.[/p][/quote]But surely that's asking pervs not to be pervs? How would you go about stopping them being pervs, apart from putting them in prison or giving them the chemical cosh. Don't forget that there are some very high profile cases going on about this sort of thing. What is your answer to it? Believe me, I have done a lot of work in this area and even after being arrested, these people will still act out their personality disorders in the police station. If psychiatrists cannot stop it, what makes you think that you can? We should encourage young people to try and be safe; that means looking after themselves and each other. That means not letting your mates wander off alone into the badlands by themselves. Donald2000
  • Score: 4

5:29pm Sun 11 May 14

SOULJACKER says...

Sam Ling wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Are you reading a different set of comments to everybody else or something?...I don't think anyone is saying that are they?
I think the consensus of opinion would be that 'Man' or 'Woman', you really need to think twice before walking anywhere (certainly St Mary's) at that hour because it is so widely publicised that this sort of stuff sadly occurs.
Im reading the same comments which have remarked on her foolihness or stupidity for daring to walk at night, with no mention from anyone in those initial comments (and barely a mention since) of the rapist.

I'm not saying that people are saying the attack is justified, but it is a classic case of victim blaming, placing responsibility on the victim for the attack rather than the attacker.
Personal responsibility is what I am saying!
If I came out of a club at stupid o'clock in the morning I surely wouldn't be walking home in those areas at that time & people should be sensible enough to think before doing it.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Are you reading a different set of comments to everybody else or something?...I don't think anyone is saying that are they? I think the consensus of opinion would be that 'Man' or 'Woman', you really need to think twice before walking anywhere (certainly St Mary's) at that hour because it is so widely publicised that this sort of stuff sadly occurs.[/p][/quote]Im reading the same comments which have remarked on her foolihness or stupidity for daring to walk at night, with no mention from anyone in those initial comments (and barely a mention since) of the rapist. I'm not saying that people are saying the attack is justified, but it is a classic case of victim blaming, placing responsibility on the victim for the attack rather than the attacker.[/p][/quote]Personal responsibility is what I am saying! If I came out of a club at stupid o'clock in the morning I surely wouldn't be walking home in those areas at that time & people should be sensible enough to think before doing it. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Sun 11 May 14

Donald2000 says...

Personal responsibility is what I am saying!
If I came out of a club at stupid o'clock in the morning I surely wouldn't be walking home in those areas at that time & people should be sensible enough to think before doing it.

@Souljacker And people should have decent enough friends who don't let them wander off to be raped or killed is what I am saying. Let's be clear on this, there's enough examples of people being perverts because no one lifted a hand to help. Let's be caring out there and don't let your mates wander off to get harmed. Responsibility is ALL our concerns, not just the victim or the pervert.
Personal responsibility is what I am saying! If I came out of a club at stupid o'clock in the morning I surely wouldn't be walking home in those areas at that time & people should be sensible enough to think before doing it. @Souljacker And people should have decent enough friends who don't let them wander off to be raped or killed is what I am saying. Let's be clear on this, there's enough examples of people being perverts because no one lifted a hand to help. Let's be caring out there and don't let your mates wander off to get harmed. Responsibility is ALL our concerns, not just the victim or the pervert. Donald2000
  • Score: 5

6:10pm Sun 11 May 14

thesouth says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
This is obviously something that keeps happening, so maybe the Police should have more of an 'On street' presence in the early hours rather than looking for raves & parties in the wilds of Hampshire to break up.
Alright, it is a bit dumb walking around in the early hours on your own in a well known 'Dodgy' area, but it has happened so many times now that the authorities really should be looking at sort of prevention before somebody gets killed.
If you are willing to double your council tax then great!
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: This is obviously something that keeps happening, so maybe the Police should have more of an 'On street' presence in the early hours rather than looking for raves & parties in the wilds of Hampshire to break up. Alright, it is a bit dumb walking around in the early hours on your own in a well known 'Dodgy' area, but it has happened so many times now that the authorities really should be looking at sort of prevention before somebody gets killed.[/p][/quote]If you are willing to double your council tax then great! thesouth
  • Score: -3

6:12pm Sun 11 May 14

thesouth says...

emma.charliie91 wrote:
Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!!
Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!!
Oh yea, with the police's endless pot if money?!?!?!? Hmmmm maybe you should rethink this silly idea
[quote][p][bold]emma.charliie91[/bold] wrote: Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!! Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!![/p][/quote]Oh yea, with the police's endless pot if money?!?!?!? Hmmmm maybe you should rethink this silly idea thesouth
  • Score: -3

6:22pm Sun 11 May 14

Reality-man says...

Donald2000 wrote:
Personal responsibility is what I am saying!
If I came out of a club at stupid o'clock in the morning I surely wouldn't be walking home in those areas at that time & people should be sensible enough to think before doing it.

@Souljacker And people should have decent enough friends who don't let them wander off to be raped or killed is what I am saying. Let's be clear on this, there's enough examples of people being perverts because no one lifted a hand to help. Let's be caring out there and don't let your mates wander off to get harmed. Responsibility is ALL our concerns, not just the victim or the pervert.
So what happens if a group of friends are all women? There will always be one left who has to walk home alone
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: Personal responsibility is what I am saying! If I came out of a club at stupid o'clock in the morning I surely wouldn't be walking home in those areas at that time & people should be sensible enough to think before doing it. @Souljacker And people should have decent enough friends who don't let them wander off to be raped or killed is what I am saying. Let's be clear on this, there's enough examples of people being perverts because no one lifted a hand to help. Let's be caring out there and don't let your mates wander off to get harmed. Responsibility is ALL our concerns, not just the victim or the pervert.[/p][/quote]So what happens if a group of friends are all women? There will always be one left who has to walk home alone Reality-man
  • Score: 6

7:39pm Sun 11 May 14

downfader says...

Donald2000 wrote:
downfader wrote:
emma.charliie91 wrote:
Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!!
Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!!
Why?

The real issue is that pervs shouldnt attack people, not that women should be forced to stay in groups or alter their own behaviour.
But surely that's asking pervs not to be pervs?

How would you go about stopping them being pervs, apart from putting them in prison or giving them the chemical cosh. Don't forget that there are some very high profile cases going on about this sort of thing. What is your answer to it? Believe me, I have done a lot of work in this area and even after being arrested, these people will still act out their personality disorders in the police station. If psychiatrists cannot stop it, what makes you think that you can?

We should encourage young people to try and be safe; that means looking after themselves and each other. That means not letting your mates wander off alone into the badlands by themselves.
Not all of them a psychos. Some of it is upbringing. And we've barely started understanding the nature of the human brain... your comment is a bit like those who complained about those who disbelieved in the flat earth.

There should be no "badlands" poor and deprived areas have little to do with crimes of empowerment
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emma.charliie91[/bold] wrote: Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!! Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!![/p][/quote]Why? The real issue is that pervs shouldnt attack people, not that women should be forced to stay in groups or alter their own behaviour.[/p][/quote]But surely that's asking pervs not to be pervs? How would you go about stopping them being pervs, apart from putting them in prison or giving them the chemical cosh. Don't forget that there are some very high profile cases going on about this sort of thing. What is your answer to it? Believe me, I have done a lot of work in this area and even after being arrested, these people will still act out their personality disorders in the police station. If psychiatrists cannot stop it, what makes you think that you can? We should encourage young people to try and be safe; that means looking after themselves and each other. That means not letting your mates wander off alone into the badlands by themselves.[/p][/quote]Not all of them a psychos. Some of it is upbringing. And we've barely started understanding the nature of the human brain... your comment is a bit like those who complained about those who disbelieved in the flat earth. There should be no "badlands" poor and deprived areas have little to do with crimes of empowerment downfader
  • Score: 4

8:19pm Sun 11 May 14

thinklikealocal says...

Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
We'll said!
[quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]We'll said! thinklikealocal
  • Score: 4

8:24pm Sun 11 May 14

Donald2000 says...

Not all of them a psychos. Some of it is upbringing. And we've barely started understanding the nature of the human brain... your comment is a bit like those who complained about those who disbelieved in the flat earth.

@Downfader - and your comment is that of an ignorant slob.
Not all of them a psychos. Some of it is upbringing. And we've barely started understanding the nature of the human brain... your comment is a bit like those who complained about those who disbelieved in the flat earth. @Downfader - and your comment is that of an ignorant slob. Donald2000
  • Score: 0

8:28pm Sun 11 May 14

thinklikealocal says...

userds5050 wrote:
Sam Ling wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.
Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker.

These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable.
People aren't going to stop raping though. Yours is a very naive point of view I'm afraid. You're entitled to it but it won't keep you safe.
No they won't. However, the majority of comments on here are about the victims culpability, not about the rapists abominable criminal behaviour. Whilst we can never stop rape as a crime, we can ensure that we don't make the victims somehow responsible! Jeez, I thought all this crap about don't wear a short skirt or your asking for it went out of mainstream thinking long ago! Obviously not....
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.[/p][/quote]Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker. These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable.[/p][/quote]People aren't going to stop raping though. Yours is a very naive point of view I'm afraid. You're entitled to it but it won't keep you safe.[/p][/quote]No they won't. However, the majority of comments on here are about the victims culpability, not about the rapists abominable criminal behaviour. Whilst we can never stop rape as a crime, we can ensure that we don't make the victims somehow responsible! Jeez, I thought all this crap about don't wear a short skirt or your asking for it went out of mainstream thinking long ago! Obviously not.... thinklikealocal
  • Score: 4

8:47pm Sun 11 May 14

Sam Ling says...

I suppose the points I'm making are not about saying that you can't do things to reduce your risk of crime/assault/rape, but we do need to stop framing the discussion in a way that puts all the responsibility on the victim.

Look at it this way. If a group of people were being chased by a bear (lets ignore why for a moment!) the slowest runner will be eaten. On hearing that story do we blame the slowest runner for being killed by the bear?

In this situation it will always be the most venerable who will be pried upon. If we all stop walking through parks rapists will simply find another way to exert their power over their victims.

That's not to say that you shouldn't think about personal safety, but its absolutely saying that we need to turn our discussion on to those that rape and ask why.

Clearly something has gone wrong with them, and there most definitely is something we can do as a society to tackle this issue by tackling the rapists rather than the victims (though education in schools, research into the impact of the media, the effect of "lad culture" on development).

No one wakes up a rapist so we need to look at how it happens.
I suppose the points I'm making are not about saying that you can't do things to reduce your risk of crime/assault/rape, but we do need to stop framing the discussion in a way that puts all the responsibility on the victim. Look at it this way. If a group of people were being chased by a bear (lets ignore why for a moment!) the slowest runner will be eaten. On hearing that story do we blame the slowest runner for being killed by the bear? In this situation it will always be the most venerable who will be pried upon. If we all stop walking through parks rapists will simply find another way to exert their power over their victims. That's not to say that you shouldn't think about personal safety, but its absolutely saying that we need to turn our discussion on to those that rape and ask why. Clearly something has gone wrong with them, and there most definitely is something we can do as a society to tackle this issue by tackling the rapists rather than the victims (though education in schools, research into the impact of the media, the effect of "lad culture" on development). No one wakes up a rapist so we need to look at how it happens. Sam Ling
  • Score: 3

11:58pm Sun 11 May 14

Block 42 says...

rapists should be shot to death.or perhaps beaten to death by the victim..perhaps then it would put of potential rapists..its a disgusting crime and you should never blame the victim.
rapists should be shot to death.or perhaps beaten to death by the victim..perhaps then it would put of potential rapists..its a disgusting crime and you should never blame the victim. Block 42
  • Score: 3

1:08am Mon 12 May 14

sass says...

You might as well say bricks should not fall off scaffolding, so people don't need to wear hard hats. Take responsibility for your own safety.
You might as well say bricks should not fall off scaffolding, so people don't need to wear hard hats. Take responsibility for your own safety. sass
  • Score: 2

2:02am Mon 12 May 14

BeyondImagination says...

Sam Ling wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.
Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker.

These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable.
Unfortunately people will only stop raping when there is nobody to rape. Take care of yourself at all times.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Not sure anyone's saying it's the victim's fault. Just it's not safe to walk alone in St Marys in the early hours. There is a difference. Until folk realise this these attacks will continue.[/p][/quote]Mainly raising the point that we're quicker to raise fault with the victim than the attacker. These attacks will continue until people stop raping. If everyone stops walking in the parks they'll just find a new place to prey on the venerable.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately people will only stop raping when there is nobody to rape. Take care of yourself at all times. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 0

2:07am Mon 12 May 14

BeyondImagination says...

Mandatory castration for rapists might help. As long as the juries don't make any mistakes
Mandatory castration for rapists might help. As long as the juries don't make any mistakes BeyondImagination
  • Score: 2

4:32am Mon 12 May 14

bobby the crane says...

Mary80 wrote:
Just arm women with tasers problem solved
That is just a stupid Post
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: Just arm women with tasers problem solved[/p][/quote]That is just a stupid Post bobby the crane
  • Score: -1

11:21am Mon 12 May 14

ToastyTea says...

Donald2000 wrote:
Personal responsibility is what I am saying!
If I came out of a club at stupid o'clock in the morning I surely wouldn't be walking home in those areas at that time & people should be sensible enough to think before doing it.

@Souljacker And people should have decent enough friends who don't let them wander off to be raped or killed is what I am saying. Let's be clear on this, there's enough examples of people being perverts because no one lifted a hand to help. Let's be caring out there and don't let your mates wander off to get harmed. Responsibility is ALL our concerns, not just the victim or the pervert.
Well you have obviously never been very drunk before when coming out of a club then if you always think straight and know what you are doing. Unfortunately I'm sure like many and possibly this girl after a few too many you don't think properly and that short cut home seems like a good idea.
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: Personal responsibility is what I am saying! If I came out of a club at stupid o'clock in the morning I surely wouldn't be walking home in those areas at that time & people should be sensible enough to think before doing it. @Souljacker And people should have decent enough friends who don't let them wander off to be raped or killed is what I am saying. Let's be clear on this, there's enough examples of people being perverts because no one lifted a hand to help. Let's be caring out there and don't let your mates wander off to get harmed. Responsibility is ALL our concerns, not just the victim or the pervert.[/p][/quote]Well you have obviously never been very drunk before when coming out of a club then if you always think straight and know what you are doing. Unfortunately I'm sure like many and possibly this girl after a few too many you don't think properly and that short cut home seems like a good idea. ToastyTea
  • Score: 1

11:24am Mon 12 May 14

xxsushixx says...

St Marys is an awful area - unfortunately.
I've always found it a strange place to put nightclubs as it is generally unsafe.
I have been to The Edge many of times, numerous times people turning out from the Mosques have attempted to enter.
Now are you telling me they want to party and drink alcohol with the gays.
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Its not the girls fault.
Police just need to be more upped in that area.
St Marys is an awful area - unfortunately. I've always found it a strange place to put nightclubs as it is generally unsafe. I have been to The Edge many of times, numerous times people turning out from the Mosques have attempted to enter. Now are you telling me they want to party and drink alcohol with the gays. - Its not the girls fault. Police just need to be more upped in that area. xxsushixx
  • Score: -3

2:20pm Mon 12 May 14

shazz2610 says...

Sam Ling wrote:
How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping,

Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions.

I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.
thank you sam ling for sticking up for the victim. now for those of you who are blaming the young lady let me tell you she is one of the most sensible caring loving young girl you could ever meet i cant believe you could all be putting the blame on her she didnt do anything wrong dont you think she is blaming herself as it is, just as many raped woman do. The last word i want to call him is a man i want to call him something else but best not on here he is the one that did this he chose to do this vile sick thing he is the one you should all be gunning for not the victim. lets just hope and pray that this never happens to someone you love because believe me its heartbreaking and painful and we need to hear positive comments, to know that this selfish world we live in that people care and we dont need people like you gossiping and saying things like you have been saying so please get a life of your own and stop leaving your vile comments. She isnt ok she is in pain both mentally and physicaley she will be ok eventually she has good people around her who love her and will do anything to help and support her but she will carry this for the rest of her life. So please just stop this now
[quote][p][bold]Sam Ling[/bold] wrote: How many comments are we going to reach before we stop blaming the victim, and someone perhaps suggests that's the attacker should maybe stop raping, Why aren't we asking what has led to someone believing its ok to sexually assault someone rather than having the majority of comments say that it was the victims fault, reinforcing their sense of entitlement and sense that they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. I sincerely hope the individual is both ok, and doesn't read this article to avoid being judged or doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]thank you sam ling for sticking up for the victim. now for those of you who are blaming the young lady let me tell you she is one of the most sensible caring loving young girl you could ever meet i cant believe you could all be putting the blame on her she didnt do anything wrong dont you think she is blaming herself as it is, just as many raped woman do. The last word i want to call him is a man i want to call him something else but best not on here he is the one that did this he chose to do this vile sick thing he is the one you should all be gunning for not the victim. lets just hope and pray that this never happens to someone you love because believe me its heartbreaking and painful and we need to hear positive comments, to know that this selfish world we live in that people care and we dont need people like you gossiping and saying things like you have been saying so please get a life of your own and stop leaving your vile comments. She isnt ok she is in pain both mentally and physicaley she will be ok eventually she has good people around her who love her and will do anything to help and support her but she will carry this for the rest of her life. So please just stop this now shazz2610
  • Score: 7

4:36pm Mon 12 May 14

Lolly* says...

Donald2000 wrote:
downfader wrote:
emma.charliie91 wrote: Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!! Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!!
Why? The real issue is that pervs shouldnt attack people, not that women should be forced to stay in groups or alter their own behaviour.
But surely that's asking pervs not to be pervs? How would you go about stopping them being pervs, apart from putting them in prison or giving them the chemical cosh. Don't forget that there are some very high profile cases going on about this sort of thing. What is your answer to it? Believe me, I have done a lot of work in this area and even after being arrested, these people will still act out their personality disorders in the police station. If psychiatrists cannot stop it, what makes you think that you can? We should encourage young people to try and be safe; that means looking after themselves and each other. That means not letting your mates wander off alone into the badlands by themselves.
And what's so wrong with stopping 'pervs' being 'pervs' what a joke!!! how can you imply that the actions of rapists are understandable because they can not change..?
Rapist are vial individuals... imagine that being you.. forced upon, belittled, trapped, humiliated ,terrified, violated, hurt, abused, embarrassed, afraid, scared...
But because 'its never going to change' its ok and all young women should adapt their lifestyles around those of sick twisted rapists..
what the hell is wrong with you people???
Anybody should make an effort to stay safe. male or female.. but because this girl was alone does not justify that persons actions...
''But surely that's asking pervs not to be pervs? How would you go about stopping them being pervs'' what a stupid heartless and thoughtless thing to write!!
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emma.charliie91[/bold] wrote: Hope she recovers well and all that but she shouldn't have been walking back on her own. The report says that she separated from friends outside the club....why didnt they stay together?! One thing I've always been told is to stay with someone and if u have to separate ring someone before you go on your own so if anything happens they hear it and can come to help asap!! Maybe an idea for the police to have a phoneline for nights so people can call and talk to someone if they have to walk home alone, that way they will be able to see exactly where they are and help within minutes if neccesary!![/p][/quote]Why? The real issue is that pervs shouldnt attack people, not that women should be forced to stay in groups or alter their own behaviour.[/p][/quote]But surely that's asking pervs not to be pervs? How would you go about stopping them being pervs, apart from putting them in prison or giving them the chemical cosh. Don't forget that there are some very high profile cases going on about this sort of thing. What is your answer to it? Believe me, I have done a lot of work in this area and even after being arrested, these people will still act out their personality disorders in the police station. If psychiatrists cannot stop it, what makes you think that you can? We should encourage young people to try and be safe; that means looking after themselves and each other. That means not letting your mates wander off alone into the badlands by themselves.[/p][/quote]And what's so wrong with stopping 'pervs' being 'pervs' what a joke!!! how can you imply that the actions of rapists are understandable because they can not change..? Rapist are vial individuals... imagine that being you.. forced upon, belittled, trapped, humiliated ,terrified, violated, hurt, abused, embarrassed, afraid, scared... But because 'its never going to change' its ok and all young women should adapt their lifestyles around those of sick twisted rapists.. what the hell is wrong with you people??? Anybody should make an effort to stay safe. male or female.. but because this girl was alone does not justify that persons actions... ''But surely that's asking pervs not to be pervs? How would you go about stopping them being pervs'' what a stupid heartless and thoughtless thing to write!! Lolly*
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Sun 1 Jun 14

kiddynamite says...

bobby the crane wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Just arm women with tasers problem solved
That is just a stupid Post
Why is it so stupid? Many countries around the world allow mace, pepper sprays and tazers and stun guns for personal protection. I personally think its something the uk should consider. Its not about blame and whos at fault here. Its a simple case of protect yourself as best you can. These streets aint safe no more.
[quote][p][bold]bobby the crane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: Just arm women with tasers problem solved[/p][/quote]That is just a stupid Post[/p][/quote]Why is it so stupid? Many countries around the world allow mace, pepper sprays and tazers and stun guns for personal protection. I personally think its something the uk should consider. Its not about blame and whos at fault here. Its a simple case of protect yourself as best you can. These streets aint safe no more. kiddynamite
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