Nigel Farage declares UKIP has 'momentum' for more victories in the region

Night of drama in Southampton as UKIP sweeps to victory

Night of drama in Southampton as UKIP sweeps to victory

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IT was a night of high drama at Southampton's Guildhall as Britain's political landscape was shaken to its core. 

With the Euro elections results becoming clear last night and the early hours of this morning, UKIP leader Nigel Farage declared a “people’s army had spoken”.

His eurosceptic party was nationally voted ahead of established parties, sparking a political “earthquake”. 

Regionally, UKIP gained four seats in the South East, with ten UKIP MEPs elected in total.

Meanwhile, the Conservatives won three and Labour, the Green Party and the Liberal Democrats one each.

Dozens of politicians had packed the Guildhall last night, nervously awaiting the outcome of the European elections.

But it was clear that the night had become a UKIP party, with Farage here in the city to host it.

Official events began in Southampton yesterday afternoon at 4pm, with the counting and then the verification of the results.

There were busy scenes around 9pm as a recount was ordered, when some of the numbers failed to add up.

But as the tension rose, all eyes were on the front door of the Civic Centre, where a large pack of photographers gathered to capture Mr Farage making his grand entrance.

He told the Daily Echo he believed the results were close in the region, but nationally he already knew his party had had a fantastic night and gained momentum for more victories.

He said: “This whole part of Hampshire is quite an exciting part of the world for us.
“If you looked at the three party leaders this morning they were like goldfish tipped out of their bowls.

"The effect of these elections will be very profound and I am sure it will be felt in the General Election next year.”

In Southampton UKIP polled more voters than Labour or the Tories.

The party got 16,252 in comparison to Labour’s 14,580 and the Tories’ 11,959.

Meanwhile, in Eastleigh, they got 13,077 in comparison to the Lib Dems’ 7,432, Tories’ 9,051 and Labour’s 3,654.

And in Fareham, the Tories topped the poll with 12,415, but UKIP were not far behind with 11,811.

In Winchester the Conservatives got 14,672 in comparison to UKIPs 9,062.

On the Isle of Wight, UKIP were top with 14,533, with the Tories in second place with 9,335.

The rise of UKIP has been one of the biggest stories in the run-up to the election, and the Eurosceptic party was tipped to better the two MEPs it had elected in the last elections in 2009.

Last night, with the Lib Dems tipped for heavy losses, if not a complete wipeout nationally, their top regional candidate, Catherine Bearder, refused to be drawn on predictions of any poor results.

But another party source admitted to the Daily Echo they had suffered a “catastrophic” result both in local and European elections.

Meanwhile Labour candidate Anneliese Dodds, said she was “confident” her party would do better this time than in 2009.

Marta Andreasen, Conservative candidate who was elected as an MEP in 2009, refused to be drawn on issues other than saying the campaign has “gone pretty well”.

The Green Party, which also had one MEP elected in 2009, was also looking to improve their standing, with party lead candidate Keith Taylor telling the Daily Echo he was optimistic of being re-elected and the party doubling its seats.

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4:08pm Mon 26 May 14

sburman says...

I still cannot see what UKIP is all about but, at the end of the day, you cannot argue with the outcome of a democratic vote.

The party that apposes the EU flew while the party that fully supports it sank and not just in this contry either.
I still cannot see what UKIP is all about but, at the end of the day, you cannot argue with the outcome of a democratic vote. The party that apposes the EU flew while the party that fully supports it sank and not just in this contry either. sburman
  • Score: 7

4:16pm Mon 26 May 14

thesouth says...

UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here. thesouth
  • Score: -32

4:24pm Mon 26 May 14

SotonGreen says...

Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment.

What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?
Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment. What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ? SotonGreen
  • Score: -15

4:26pm Mon 26 May 14

sburman says...

thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so sburman
  • Score: 9

4:35pm Mon 26 May 14

richard57 says...

UKIP WINNING IS THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED IN POLITICS IN A 100 YRS.WAKE UP YOU LOT AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
UKIP WINNING IS THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED IN POLITICS IN A 100 YRS.WAKE UP YOU LOT AND SMELL THE COFFEE. richard57
  • Score: 22

4:39pm Mon 26 May 14

forest hump says...

thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
See you later then
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]See you later then forest hump
  • Score: 22

4:42pm Mon 26 May 14

andysaints007 says...

thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
IDIOT
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]IDIOT andysaints007
  • Score: 14

4:42pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
You are so wrong on 3 fronts. UKIP are not a racist party. There rise in popularity is good news to shake up a failing Westminster elite who are comfortably feathering their own nests, so UKIP, if nothing else will get them to actually do their job properly. And they have destroyed the real racists bnp by offering a reasonable policy of controlling immigration, something the others refused to discuss, hence BNP sneakily filling that void. Whichever way you look at it UKIP is a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]You are so wrong on 3 fronts. UKIP are not a racist party. There rise in popularity is good news to shake up a failing Westminster elite who are comfortably feathering their own nests, so UKIP, if nothing else will get them to actually do their job properly. And they have destroyed the real racists bnp by offering a reasonable policy of controlling immigration, something the others refused to discuss, hence BNP sneakily filling that void. Whichever way you look at it UKIP is a good thing. Benali76
  • Score: 19

4:46pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment.

What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?
Such a simpleton's logic. Others have also stood up to ruling class historically. You could equally spin it as Farage being like Gandhi. But that wouldn't suit your rhetoric would it.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment. What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?[/p][/quote]Such a simpleton's logic. Others have also stood up to ruling class historically. You could equally spin it as Farage being like Gandhi. But that wouldn't suit your rhetoric would it. Benali76
  • Score: 12

4:51pm Mon 26 May 14

jen1 says...

forest hump wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
See you later then
Hope not, not with an attitude like that. Good riddance would be more appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]See you later then[/p][/quote]Hope not, not with an attitude like that. Good riddance would be more appropriate. jen1
  • Score: 8

4:51pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sburman wrote:
I still cannot see what UKIP is all about but, at the end of the day, you cannot argue with the outcome of a democratic vote.

The party that apposes the EU flew while the party that fully supports it sank and not just in this contry either.
Just so you know UKIP are predominantly about getting us out of the failing, undemocratic, superstate that is the EU, and allowing us to run our own country. They want to manage our own borders, rather than allow unfettered immigration. They believe in small government and an end to PC nonsense that has strangled honest free debate. For starters. What's not to like about that?
[quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I still cannot see what UKIP is all about but, at the end of the day, you cannot argue with the outcome of a democratic vote. The party that apposes the EU flew while the party that fully supports it sank and not just in this contry either.[/p][/quote]Just so you know UKIP are predominantly about getting us out of the failing, undemocratic, superstate that is the EU, and allowing us to run our own country. They want to manage our own borders, rather than allow unfettered immigration. They believe in small government and an end to PC nonsense that has strangled honest free debate. For starters. What's not to like about that? Benali76
  • Score: 15

5:22pm Mon 26 May 14

richard57 says...

thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
YES,THE SOONER THE BETTER
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]YES,THE SOONER THE BETTER richard57
  • Score: 2

6:06pm Mon 26 May 14

loosehead says...

Well I voted UKIP for the EU. Voted Tory for the locals.
I was told by my mum I have Jewish ancestry on my mothers side & Welsh on my fathers side.
I'm married to a Thai & get on very well with Thais & all Europeans I meet over there but do I want to be part of a country called Europe? NO I don't.
So to have idiots on here calling me & others who've voted UKIP Fascists is wrong & the Echo shouldn't print their posts.
Are the Greek communists Fascists? Aren't they Anti EU?
Well I voted UKIP for the EU. Voted Tory for the locals. I was told by my mum I have Jewish ancestry on my mothers side & Welsh on my fathers side. I'm married to a Thai & get on very well with Thais & all Europeans I meet over there but do I want to be part of a country called Europe? NO I don't. So to have idiots on here calling me & others who've voted UKIP Fascists is wrong & the Echo shouldn't print their posts. Are the Greek communists Fascists? Aren't they Anti EU? loosehead
  • Score: 2

6:28pm Mon 26 May 14

bigfella777 says...

thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot .
You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot . You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic. bigfella777
  • Score: -10

6:30pm Mon 26 May 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

The TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGING , and for the BETTER of us ALL . Democracy will show , like it already has . Votes count and the ELECTION will show NEW M.P s that is guaranteed . This was no PROTEST vote , it was fed up with the cr^p that we get fed by so called politician s WORKING FOR US
The TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGING , and for the BETTER of us ALL . Democracy will show , like it already has . Votes count and the ELECTION will show NEW M.P s that is guaranteed . This was no PROTEST vote , it was fed up with the cr^p that we get fed by so called politician s WORKING FOR US SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 9

6:37pm Mon 26 May 14

Joseph Public says...

thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
Never mind the Democratic process, bigotry is alive and kicking in "the south". Hope the grass is greener for you where ever you are off to.
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]Never mind the Democratic process, bigotry is alive and kicking in "the south". Hope the grass is greener for you where ever you are off to. Joseph Public
  • Score: -6

6:47pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
[quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society. sotonboy84
  • Score: -8

6:57pm Mon 26 May 14

Block 42 says...

its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough. Block 42
  • Score: 10

7:03pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
No it's not, you're correct.

But how do you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class" if Britain has historically included many different skin colours?
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]No it's not, you're correct. But how do you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class" if Britain has historically included many different skin colours? sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

7:12pm Mon 26 May 14

bigfella777 says...

Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot bigfella777
  • Score: -5

7:14pm Mon 26 May 14

Cyber__Fug says...

loosehead wrote:
Well I voted UKIP for the EU. Voted Tory for the locals.
I was told by my mum I have Jewish ancestry on my mothers side & Welsh on my fathers side.
I'm married to a Thai & get on very well with Thais & all Europeans I meet over there but do I want to be part of a country called Europe? NO I don't.
So to have idiots on here calling me & others who've voted UKIP Fascists is wrong & the Echo shouldn't print their posts.
Are the Greek communists Fascists? Aren't they Anti EU?
Good post ! I left the UK because, at the time, there was not a party that suited "my" needs. Had UKIP been around before I left they would have had my vote. Are we racist be cause they promote our own beliefs ? Everyone one has their own agenda, some believe they are owed a living, others prefer to work for theirs and their own. if UKIP get elected to run the country then I will return. It's not about creed or colour, it's about not letting other counties control our fate.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Well I voted UKIP for the EU. Voted Tory for the locals. I was told by my mum I have Jewish ancestry on my mothers side & Welsh on my fathers side. I'm married to a Thai & get on very well with Thais & all Europeans I meet over there but do I want to be part of a country called Europe? NO I don't. So to have idiots on here calling me & others who've voted UKIP Fascists is wrong & the Echo shouldn't print their posts. Are the Greek communists Fascists? Aren't they Anti EU?[/p][/quote]Good post ! I left the UK because, at the time, there was not a party that suited "my" needs. Had UKIP been around before I left they would have had my vote. Are we racist be cause they promote our own beliefs ? Everyone one has their own agenda, some believe they are owed a living, others prefer to work for theirs and their own. if UKIP get elected to run the country then I will return. It's not about creed or colour, it's about not letting other counties control our fate. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 5

7:26pm Mon 26 May 14

Block 42 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
idiot??foreigners should only come here if they have a certain amount of money in bank and should not be allowed free health service..look at australia you dumb punk.are you for real?look at all the romanians wanting to come here.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot[/p][/quote]idiot??foreigners should only come here if they have a certain amount of money in bank and should not be allowed free health service..look at australia you dumb punk.are you for real?look at all the romanians wanting to come here. Block 42
  • Score: 6

7:34pm Mon 26 May 14

bettysenior says...

It does not matter which politician or party gets in power, this EU project will not bring hardly any prosperity for 90% of the people of Europe including the UK (indeed economic decline has been the case for nearly 10-years now in real terms taking inflation into account - basically has been going the same way as Japan with 20-years of economic stagnation), but just for the 10% rich as usual (that's why the politicians are leading us down the garden path as the servants of the mighty corporations). Indeed the cost to the EU taxpayer is astronomical and where every one of the 751 MEPs can receive €615,660 a year and look forward to a lump sum pension pot of €303,195. That's times 751 of course and where it is a mere drop in the ocean of the total cost of the EU. Some main-stream media outlets have said incredibly up 1000 billion Euro a year and where 'Translation' cost alone are pushing €1.5 billion a year. But a recent report by Civitas - The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society, stated that 'trade' between the UK and EU countries had not changed percentage wise since 1973, so what's the point for all this vast European taxpayer's investment when it has not given any extra back to the wealth of the people?

Also the NHS is definitely under threat from the private US healthcare industry if the EU-USA trade pact is signed up to by our politicians. A great deal of people do not know this. So enjoy the NHS for as long as you can, but where privatisation is definitely knocking on the door now with this so-called 'free-trade' agreement to be signed by our politicians.

http://worldinnovati
onfoundation.blogspo
t.co.uk/2014/05/the-
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-heading.html
It does not matter which politician or party gets in power, this EU project will not bring hardly any prosperity for 90% of the people of Europe including the UK (indeed economic decline has been the case for nearly 10-years now in real terms taking inflation into account - basically has been going the same way as Japan with 20-years of economic stagnation), but just for the 10% rich as usual (that's why the politicians are leading us down the garden path as the servants of the mighty corporations). Indeed the cost to the EU taxpayer is astronomical and where every one of the 751 MEPs can receive €615,660 a year and look forward to a lump sum pension pot of €303,195. That's times 751 of course and where it is a mere drop in the ocean of the total cost of the EU. Some main-stream media outlets have said incredibly up 1000 billion Euro a year and where 'Translation' cost alone are pushing €1.5 billion a year. But a recent report by Civitas - The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society, stated that 'trade' between the UK and EU countries had not changed percentage wise since 1973, so what's the point for all this vast European taxpayer's investment when it has not given any extra back to the wealth of the people? Also the NHS is definitely under threat from the private US healthcare industry if the EU-USA trade pact is signed up to by our politicians. A great deal of people do not know this. So enjoy the NHS for as long as you can, but where privatisation is definitely knocking on the door now with this so-called 'free-trade' agreement to be signed by our politicians. http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2014/05/the- european-union-eu-is -heading.html bettysenior
  • Score: 3

7:38pm Mon 26 May 14

thesouth says...

Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so
Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so thesouth
  • Score: -4

7:51pm Mon 26 May 14

richard57 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
******* you moron
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]******* you moron richard57
  • Score: -4

8:01pm Mon 26 May 14

richard57 says...

thesouth wrote:
Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so
IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE HEARING JUST **** OFF BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so[/p][/quote]IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE HEARING JUST **** OFF BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM richard57
  • Score: -3

8:13pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

richard57 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
******* you moron
What did you say Dick?
[quote][p][bold]richard57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]******* you moron[/p][/quote]What did you say Dick? sotonboy84
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

thesouth wrote:
Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so
If you look where the votes came from South, they're made by a load of former Labour supporters who generally don't work & rely on handouts. The Conservatives have done a wonderful job at taking away the generous handouts & because these people need to point the finger of blame at somebody else, they chose immigrants.

They're ignorant, narrow minded and uneducated. You'll notice that the typical UKIP supporter can't hold constructive conservation, they turn to juvenile outbursts. Just like Dick57 above.
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so[/p][/quote]If you look where the votes came from South, they're made by a load of former Labour supporters who generally don't work & rely on handouts. The Conservatives have done a wonderful job at taking away the generous handouts & because these people need to point the finger of blame at somebody else, they chose immigrants. They're ignorant, narrow minded and uneducated. You'll notice that the typical UKIP supporter can't hold constructive conservation, they turn to juvenile outbursts. Just like Dick57 above. sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

8:23pm Mon 26 May 14

knuckle dragger says...

thesouth wrote:
Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so
Would you like to tell newly elected UKIP MEP Amjad Bashir that he is racist?
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so[/p][/quote]Would you like to tell newly elected UKIP MEP Amjad Bashir that he is racist? knuckle dragger
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

knuckle dragger wrote:
thesouth wrote:
Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so
Would you like to tell newly elected UKIP MEP Amjad Bashir that he is racist?
And Amjad Bashir can't be racist....... because?
[quote][p][bold]knuckle dragger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so[/p][/quote]Would you like to tell newly elected UKIP MEP Amjad Bashir that he is racist?[/p][/quote]And Amjad Bashir can't be racist....... because? sotonboy84
  • Score: 5

8:57pm Mon 26 May 14

George4th says...

UKIP have no substance as it made up of disaffected ex Labour, Conservative and LibDems - disaffected is not a good starting point!
It's a mishmash of no hopers looking for a place to lay their hats!

A bit like the owners of a toy factory seeking to run Rolls Royce!
UKIP have no substance as it made up of disaffected ex Labour, Conservative and LibDems - disaffected is not a good starting point! It's a mishmash of no hopers looking for a place to lay their hats! A bit like the owners of a toy factory seeking to run Rolls Royce! George4th
  • Score: 8

9:04pm Mon 26 May 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist? loosehead
  • Score: -2

9:10pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people". sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

9:13pm Mon 26 May 14

loosehead says...

I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for? loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:20pm Mon 26 May 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie
s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems. loosehead
  • Score: -1

9:29pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot .
You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic.
Typical foul mouthed response from the left, I'm guessing the left, the aggressive unsubstantiated opinions usually are. I am none of the above and nor are 90% of those I know who voted UKIP. There is nothing racist in what UKIP stand for, unless you take the definition from UAF, who think everything is racisthe, bit who cares what those fascists think? Do you think having no immigration policy is a good idea? Do you think having the right to elect who runs our country is a good idea. These answers are obvious, hence the reason people voted for UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot . You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic.[/p][/quote]Typical foul mouthed response from the left, I'm guessing the left, the aggressive unsubstantiated opinions usually are. I am none of the above and nor are 90% of those I know who voted UKIP. There is nothing racist in what UKIP stand for, unless you take the definition from UAF, who think everything is racisthe, bit who cares what those fascists think? Do you think having no immigration policy is a good idea? Do you think having the right to elect who runs our country is a good idea. These answers are obvious, hence the reason people voted for UKIP. Benali76
  • Score: -2

9:32pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them! sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

9:39pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie

s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
But they have promised a referendum. I believe the way forward is to renegotiate our membership & if it can't be or if we're not happy with the result, vote to leave the EU. At least we're offered options.

Voting UKIP is not the way forward. They can't offer us options but already deny equal rights to people based on skin colour, sexuality & country of origin.

Immigration does have an affect on jobs but it's not taking them away, it's making the jobs market more competitive. There are plenty of jobs out there but people expect good jobs & salaries but don't have the skills to get it. They believe many jobs are beneath them but many Europeans do them. It works both way though & the British are free to travel & work in Europe.

Farage is scaremongering & running a hate campaign against immigrants. Farage & immigrants are the new Nazi's & Jews.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.[/p][/quote]But they have promised a referendum. I believe the way forward is to renegotiate our membership & if it can't be or if we're not happy with the result, vote to leave the EU. At least we're offered options. Voting UKIP is not the way forward. They can't offer us options but already deny equal rights to people based on skin colour, sexuality & country of origin. Immigration does have an affect on jobs but it's not taking them away, it's making the jobs market more competitive. There are plenty of jobs out there but people expect good jobs & salaries but don't have the skills to get it. They believe many jobs are beneath them but many Europeans do them. It works both way though & the British are free to travel & work in Europe. Farage is scaremongering & running a hate campaign against immigrants. Farage & immigrants are the new Nazi's & Jews. sotonboy84
  • Score: 3

9:40pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot[/p][/quote]If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP. Benali76
  • Score: -5

9:42pm Mon 26 May 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie

s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.[/p][/quote]UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable. Inform Al
  • Score: -4

9:46pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot .
You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic.
Typical foul mouthed response from the left, I'm guessing the left, the aggressive unsubstantiated opinions usually are. I am none of the above and nor are 90% of those I know who voted UKIP. There is nothing racist in what UKIP stand for, unless you take the definition from UAF, who think everything is racisthe, bit who cares what those fascists think? Do you think having no immigration policy is a good idea? Do you think having the right to elect who runs our country is a good idea. These answers are obvious, hence the reason people voted for UKIP.
Under the terms that David Cameron wants to negotiate, he wants "free travel" reverted back to its original intention that EU members are free to travel to work. Not to claim benefits.

Do you agree with this view of Cameron's or do you want to restrict the number of people entering the country if they're not British born, as Farage does?

Then you have the gays. Cameron gave them equality with gay marriage, Farage doesn't agree with equality for gays as he doesn't support gay marriage.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot . You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic.[/p][/quote]Typical foul mouthed response from the left, I'm guessing the left, the aggressive unsubstantiated opinions usually are. I am none of the above and nor are 90% of those I know who voted UKIP. There is nothing racist in what UKIP stand for, unless you take the definition from UAF, who think everything is racisthe, bit who cares what those fascists think? Do you think having no immigration policy is a good idea? Do you think having the right to elect who runs our country is a good idea. These answers are obvious, hence the reason people voted for UKIP.[/p][/quote]Under the terms that David Cameron wants to negotiate, he wants "free travel" reverted back to its original intention that EU members are free to travel to work. Not to claim benefits. Do you agree with this view of Cameron's or do you want to restrict the number of people entering the country if they're not British born, as Farage does? Then you have the gays. Cameron gave them equality with gay marriage, Farage doesn't agree with equality for gays as he doesn't support gay marriage. sotonboy84
  • Score: 4

9:49pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.
The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot[/p][/quote]If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.[/p][/quote]The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes. sotonboy84
  • Score: 3

9:51pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie


s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.
Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.[/p][/quote]UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.[/p][/quote]Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

9:58pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
Because in that particular conversation the discussion was regarding white working class areas, I believe in Lancashire. He also mentioned Afro Carribeans in a separate discussion. The media, and you, take soundbites twist them out of context and hang him off the back of it - while ignoring the continual message Farage repeats to the contrary.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]Because in that particular conversation the discussion was regarding white working class areas, I believe in Lancashire. He also mentioned Afro Carribeans in a separate discussion. The media, and you, take soundbites twist them out of context and hang him off the back of it - while ignoring the continual message Farage repeats to the contrary. Benali76
  • Score: -1

9:59pm Mon 26 May 14

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie



s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.
Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.
Anyone with more than one working brain cell will know that there is no chance of getting us a fair deal, C'moron knows it and has made a disingenuous promise merely to be elected next year. It aint gonna appen so if he wakes up he will give us the referendum before the election, thereby actually making himself electable as he will finally have got something right.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.[/p][/quote]UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.[/p][/quote]Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.[/p][/quote]Anyone with more than one working brain cell will know that there is no chance of getting us a fair deal, C'moron knows it and has made a disingenuous promise merely to be elected next year. It aint gonna appen so if he wakes up he will give us the referendum before the election, thereby actually making himself electable as he will finally have got something right. Inform Al
  • Score: -1

10:09pm Mon 26 May 14

derek james says...

bigfella777 wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot .
You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic.
you need to think outside the box a little before generalising such, managed migration can be a good thing but too much is definitely not, think of the 9 romanians living as slaves in car washes freed last week, also it's a fact a lot of the workers at indian (which includes bengali, pakistani and indian ) food establishments are living under the same conditions.as for contributing "billions" to the economy , well most of that gets sent back to the mother country.the only people to benefit from mass immigration are the btl landlords which contributes to the never ending spiral in house prices.simple really
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot . You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic.[/p][/quote]you need to think outside the box a little before generalising such, managed migration can be a good thing but too much is definitely not, think of the 9 romanians living as slaves in car washes freed last week, also it's a fact a lot of the workers at indian (which includes bengali, pakistani and indian ) food establishments are living under the same conditions.as for contributing "billions" to the economy , well most of that gets sent back to the mother country.the only people to benefit from mass immigration are the btl landlords which contributes to the never ending spiral in house prices.simple really derek james
  • Score: -1

10:10pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie

s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
Excellent post even though I cannot understand why you do not feel let down by Cameron. He most definitely assured us there would be a referendum in this parliament but reneged. But you are right that all these smears crying wacist, wacist designed at avoiding proper adult debate.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.[/p][/quote]Excellent post even though I cannot understand why you do not feel let down by Cameron. He most definitely assured us there would be a referendum in this parliament but reneged. But you are right that all these smears crying wacist, wacist designed at avoiding proper adult debate. Benali76
  • Score: -2

10:21pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
Because in that particular conversation the discussion was regarding white working class areas, I believe in Lancashire. He also mentioned Afro Carribeans in a separate discussion. The media, and you, take soundbites twist them out of context and hang him off the back of it - while ignoring the continual message Farage repeats to the contrary.
But in an inclusive British society, why did he have to differentiate?

Oh yes, that's right, because he's tapping into different groups & creating a hate campaign against immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]Because in that particular conversation the discussion was regarding white working class areas, I believe in Lancashire. He also mentioned Afro Carribeans in a separate discussion. The media, and you, take soundbites twist them out of context and hang him off the back of it - while ignoring the continual message Farage repeats to the contrary.[/p][/quote]But in an inclusive British society, why did he have to differentiate? Oh yes, that's right, because he's tapping into different groups & creating a hate campaign against immigrants. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

10:22pm Mon 26 May 14

userds5050 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment.

What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?
It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment. What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?[/p][/quote]It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum. userds5050
  • Score: -2

10:22pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie




s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.
Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.
Anyone with more than one working brain cell will know that there is no chance of getting us a fair deal, C'moron knows it and has made a disingenuous promise merely to be elected next year. It aint gonna appen so if he wakes up he will give us the referendum before the election, thereby actually making himself electable as he will finally have got something right.
The Conservatives have promised a referendum & if they backed out now they'd be finished.

At least there is another year for more people to realise what a bunch of scaremongering Nazi's UKIP are.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.[/p][/quote]UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.[/p][/quote]Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.[/p][/quote]Anyone with more than one working brain cell will know that there is no chance of getting us a fair deal, C'moron knows it and has made a disingenuous promise merely to be elected next year. It aint gonna appen so if he wakes up he will give us the referendum before the election, thereby actually making himself electable as he will finally have got something right.[/p][/quote]The Conservatives have promised a referendum & if they backed out now they'd be finished. At least there is another year for more people to realise what a bunch of scaremongering Nazi's UKIP are. sotonboy84
  • Score: -1

10:26pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

userds5050 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment.

What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?
It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum.
There we go, yet another UKIP supporter that has to turn to insults & vulgar language to get their point across.

The Swastika was also used for thousands of years prior to the Nazi's adoption do it. Does that make it any less synonymous of the Nazi party?
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment. What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?[/p][/quote]It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum.[/p][/quote]There we go, yet another UKIP supporter that has to turn to insults & vulgar language to get their point across. The Swastika was also used for thousands of years prior to the Nazi's adoption do it. Does that make it any less synonymous of the Nazi party? sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

10:36pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back Benali76
  • Score: -2

10:43pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.
The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.
Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot[/p][/quote]If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.[/p][/quote]The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.[/p][/quote]Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate. Benali76
  • Score: -2

10:49pm Mon 26 May 14

bigfella777 says...

Block 42 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
idiot??foreigners should only come here if they have a certain amount of money in bank and should not be allowed free health service..look at australia you dumb punk.are you for real?look at all the romanians wanting to come here.
Have you actually seen any Romanians? What do you mean look at them? There are about 20 ethnic groups in Romania. You wouldn't even know what a Romanian looked like.
Look at Australia. That's hilarious, the only indigenous people in Oz are the Aborigine's, the whole population are immigrants.
Stay afraid you retard.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot[/p][/quote]idiot??foreigners should only come here if they have a certain amount of money in bank and should not be allowed free health service..look at australia you dumb punk.are you for real?look at all the romanians wanting to come here.[/p][/quote]Have you actually seen any Romanians? What do you mean look at them? There are about 20 ethnic groups in Romania. You wouldn't even know what a Romanian looked like. Look at Australia. That's hilarious, the only indigenous people in Oz are the Aborigine's, the whole population are immigrants. Stay afraid you retard. bigfella777
  • Score: 3

10:51pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie



s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.
Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.
Very naive view. If you followed politics you'd know Cameron has gone back on promises already so fair enough not to trust him. I know full well the renogociation claim is a ruse. He will get a few headline grabbing deals, spin it, get the media to do its usual propaganda and fool enough into voting "In", then it's full steam ahead for the Eurostate. Why would The EU change, for them it's running to plan.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.[/p][/quote]UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.[/p][/quote]Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.[/p][/quote]Very naive view. If you followed politics you'd know Cameron has gone back on promises already so fair enough not to trust him. I know full well the renogociation claim is a ruse. He will get a few headline grabbing deals, spin it, get the media to do its usual propaganda and fool enough into voting "In", then it's full steam ahead for the Eurostate. Why would The EU change, for them it's running to plan. Benali76
  • Score: -4

10:52pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

thesouth wrote:
Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so
Why would ALL foreigners leave?
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so[/p][/quote]Why would ALL foreigners leave? Benali76
  • Score: -1

10:57pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

10:57pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment.

What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?
It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum.
There we go, yet another UKIP supporter that has to turn to insults & vulgar language to get their point across.

The Swastika was also used for thousands of years prior to the Nazi's adoption do it. Does that make it any less synonymous of the Nazi party?
I think calling people Nazis is pretty vulgar personally.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment. What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?[/p][/quote]It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum.[/p][/quote]There we go, yet another UKIP supporter that has to turn to insults & vulgar language to get their point across. The Swastika was also used for thousands of years prior to the Nazi's adoption do it. Does that make it any less synonymous of the Nazi party?[/p][/quote]I think calling people Nazis is pretty vulgar personally. Benali76
  • Score: 0

10:58pm Mon 26 May 14

bigfella777 says...

derek james wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot .
You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic.
you need to think outside the box a little before generalising such, managed migration can be a good thing but too much is definitely not, think of the 9 romanians living as slaves in car washes freed last week, also it's a fact a lot of the workers at indian (which includes bengali, pakistani and indian ) food establishments are living under the same conditions.as for contributing "billions" to the economy , well most of that gets sent back to the mother country.the only people to benefit from mass immigration are the btl landlords which contributes to the never ending spiral in house prices.simple really
That's the part where your lack of intelligence falls down. You Dont know how much disposable income immigrants spend so you just tell yourself that it all gets sent home. In fact Polish people alone spend about 4 billion a year, that's the same as Liverpool.
They have actually helped us out of recession. 650,000 homes sit empty in the UK , that's gross mismanagement not the fault of immigrants.
Do some research before you vent your bigotry.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on, horrible, cowardly, racist people who have been fooled by a self obsessed bigot . You lot must be so desperate to go out and do these jobs for £6.31 an hour, cleaning, packing, serving. You haven't got a clue about there lives you just can't stand anyone who is different from you, pathetic.[/p][/quote]you need to think outside the box a little before generalising such, managed migration can be a good thing but too much is definitely not, think of the 9 romanians living as slaves in car washes freed last week, also it's a fact a lot of the workers at indian (which includes bengali, pakistani and indian ) food establishments are living under the same conditions.as for contributing "billions" to the economy , well most of that gets sent back to the mother country.the only people to benefit from mass immigration are the btl landlords which contributes to the never ending spiral in house prices.simple really[/p][/quote]That's the part where your lack of intelligence falls down. You Dont know how much disposable income immigrants spend so you just tell yourself that it all gets sent home. In fact Polish people alone spend about 4 billion a year, that's the same as Liverpool. They have actually helped us out of recession. 650,000 homes sit empty in the UK , that's gross mismanagement not the fault of immigrants. Do some research before you vent your bigotry. bigfella777
  • Score: 7

10:59pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.
The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.
Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate.
I will not go to the UKIP website, I've looked in the past & their policies are dropped & created like the weather. All I will do is not vote for them, as will many people when they see how little substance they have to anything they say over the next year.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot[/p][/quote]If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.[/p][/quote]The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.[/p][/quote]Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate.[/p][/quote]I will not go to the UKIP website, I've looked in the past & their policies are dropped & created like the weather. All I will do is not vote for them, as will many people when they see how little substance they have to anything they say over the next year. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

11:02pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie




s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.
Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.
Very naive view. If you followed politics you'd know Cameron has gone back on promises already so fair enough not to trust him. I know full well the renogociation claim is a ruse. He will get a few headline grabbing deals, spin it, get the media to do its usual propaganda and fool enough into voting "In", then it's full steam ahead for the Eurostate. Why would The EU change, for them it's running to plan.
Oh of course, another UKIP excuse - the media. They're against UKIP apparently so would naturally promote Cameron's views.

Ever through that the media could be representative of British people's views, if they support Farage or not?
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.[/p][/quote]UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.[/p][/quote]Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.[/p][/quote]Very naive view. If you followed politics you'd know Cameron has gone back on promises already so fair enough not to trust him. I know full well the renogociation claim is a ruse. He will get a few headline grabbing deals, spin it, get the media to do its usual propaganda and fool enough into voting "In", then it's full steam ahead for the Eurostate. Why would The EU change, for them it's running to plan.[/p][/quote]Oh of course, another UKIP excuse - the media. They're against UKIP apparently so would naturally promote Cameron's views. Ever through that the media could be representative of British people's views, if they support Farage or not? sotonboy84
  • Score: 0

11:04pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment.

What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?
It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum.
There we go, yet another UKIP supporter that has to turn to insults & vulgar language to get their point across.

The Swastika was also used for thousands of years prior to the Nazi's adoption do it. Does that make it any less synonymous of the Nazi party?
I think calling people Nazis is pretty vulgar personally.
You would, it offends you as you support a party of neo-Nazis. The Nazi's turned the German people against a religion as they were blamed for the country's problems, just as immigrants are being blamed for the UK's problems.

There's nothing vulgar in my comparison. In your choice of vulgar language however.......
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment. What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?[/p][/quote]It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum.[/p][/quote]There we go, yet another UKIP supporter that has to turn to insults & vulgar language to get their point across. The Swastika was also used for thousands of years prior to the Nazi's adoption do it. Does that make it any less synonymous of the Nazi party?[/p][/quote]I think calling people Nazis is pretty vulgar personally.[/p][/quote]You would, it offends you as you support a party of neo-Nazis. The Nazi's turned the German people against a religion as they were blamed for the country's problems, just as immigrants are being blamed for the UK's problems. There's nothing vulgar in my comparison. In your choice of vulgar language however....... sotonboy84
  • Score: 4

11:09pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point? Benali76
  • Score: -2

11:12pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
sburman wrote:
thesouth wrote:
UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.
No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people.

As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so
They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members.

Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"?

Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual.

They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.
he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?
I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent.

"Immigration has damaged the white working class".

If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".
To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie





s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration.
A Labour MP said the same thing.
As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth.
Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that.
By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.
UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.
Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.
Very naive view. If you followed politics you'd know Cameron has gone back on promises already so fair enough not to trust him. I know full well the renogociation claim is a ruse. He will get a few headline grabbing deals, spin it, get the media to do its usual propaganda and fool enough into voting "In", then it's full steam ahead for the Eurostate. Why would The EU change, for them it's running to plan.
Oh of course, another UKIP excuse - the media. They're against UKIP apparently so would naturally promote Cameron's views.

Ever through that the media could be representative of British people's views, if they support Farage or not?
Hahahahaha. Yeah right! Sorry but you are ridiculously naive.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: UKIP becoming more powerful = the end of England. It's down hill from here. Closet racists vote UKIP, the type too weak and scared to say anything, but hide behind a vote. No future here. I'm defiantly glad I'm off out of here.[/p][/quote]No, I do not believe they are racist, nationalist maybe but not racist ( and to me there is a world of difference between the two ). I feel they believe that, no matter what the colour of your skin or who you pray to, if you put GB first above an overpowerful EU then you are one of them. Unfortunately they wiil attract less tolerant people who will look at your race or religion but it will be up to them to sideline these people. As for winning a national government elaction, I don't think so[/p][/quote]They certainly have racist undertones to their beliefs as well as the extremist racist members. Farage himself said immigration had damaged the "white working class". If he was referring to the indigenous British then why didn't he say "immigration has damaged the indigenous British"? Then you have the homophobia. The party do not support gay marriage so there is obvious discrimination there based on sexuality. Then you have the members who talk about shooting gays and giving them psychiatric treatment to turn them heterosexual. They've sent shock waves but that's people getting fed up with the main parties. The main parties can learn from this, listen and sit up for what the people want. There is no place for UKIP in a civilised and inclusive British society.[/p][/quote]he also said it was effecting the British Afro Caribbean youth does that mean he's rascist?[/p][/quote]I refer back to my comment which was the basis of my statement so please don't start going off on a tangent. "Immigration has damaged the white working class". If he isn't racist, why did refer to just the white working class in his comment? Why not the "working class" or "the British people".[/p][/quote]To call anyone a racist is wrong unless they're members of the BNP.At the time of his speech he mentioned the White Working class about a specific area he also mentioned other areas with different minority's/majoritie s & he said all over the country from Whites To afro Caribbean's & every other group that make the British working classes are effected by EU cheap immigration. A Labour MP said the same thing. As a Tory I'd hate to see UKIP allow a Labour government to seize power but I will not play a dirty game I will let the people decide through the truth. Cameron promised his way on the economy would see us pull out of the mire left by Labour & he's doing just that. By the time of the General Election people will see how much he was telling the truth so when he promises a referendum they'll believe him & vote Tory if he doesn't deliver then that's the end of the Tory Party as it now is of the LibDems.[/p][/quote]UKIP got the support of the people partly because the electorate know that C'moron will not produce the referendum in 2017. If he was minded to give it to us he would have done it already, thereby actually making himself electable.[/p][/quote]Very narrow minded view. If you expanded your mindset & followed politics as you claim, you will know that Cameron believes EU membership can be renegotiated first but will still give people a referendum in 2017 if he's successful or not.[/p][/quote]Very naive view. If you followed politics you'd know Cameron has gone back on promises already so fair enough not to trust him. I know full well the renogociation claim is a ruse. He will get a few headline grabbing deals, spin it, get the media to do its usual propaganda and fool enough into voting "In", then it's full steam ahead for the Eurostate. Why would The EU change, for them it's running to plan.[/p][/quote]Oh of course, another UKIP excuse - the media. They're against UKIP apparently so would naturally promote Cameron's views. Ever through that the media could be representative of British people's views, if they support Farage or not?[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha. Yeah right! Sorry but you are ridiculously naive. Benali76
  • Score: -1

11:14pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired? sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

11:18pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.
The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.
Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate.
I will not go to the UKIP website, I've looked in the past & their policies are dropped & created like the weather. All I will do is not vote for them, as will many people when they see how little substance they have to anything they say over the next year.
So you willfully stay ignorant? I bet you go away and peddle the same nonsense you have on here tonight elsewhere, with no knowledge of whether what you say is correct on not (by the way, very little was). That's weird. I myself prefer to learn, and if that means my opinion changes then so be it. I was about to suggest we start a.new thread but I now see there is not point. There's non so blind as those who will not see.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot[/p][/quote]If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.[/p][/quote]The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.[/p][/quote]Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate.[/p][/quote]I will not go to the UKIP website, I've looked in the past & their policies are dropped & created like the weather. All I will do is not vote for them, as will many people when they see how little substance they have to anything they say over the next year.[/p][/quote]So you willfully stay ignorant? I bet you go away and peddle the same nonsense you have on here tonight elsewhere, with no knowledge of whether what you say is correct on not (by the way, very little was). That's weird. I myself prefer to learn, and if that means my opinion changes then so be it. I was about to suggest we start a.new thread but I now see there is not point. There's non so blind as those who will not see. Benali76
  • Score: -2

11:24pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.
The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.
Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate.
I will not go to the UKIP website, I've looked in the past & their policies are dropped & created like the weather. All I will do is not vote for them, as will many people when they see how little substance they have to anything they say over the next year.
So you willfully stay ignorant? I bet you go away and peddle the same nonsense you have on here tonight elsewhere, with no knowledge of whether what you say is correct on not (by the way, very little was). That's weird. I myself prefer to learn, and if that means my opinion changes then so be it. I was about to suggest we start a.new thread but I now see there is not point. There's non so blind as those who will not see.
No, I'm not ignorant at all, that's your presumption. I've done my own research over time, observed, read the facts & made the informed decision that UKIP are racist, homophobic, sexist bigots. They deny equal rights to people based on qualities they were born with & I refuse to accept such a party.

You clearly think very highly of yourself & the one minute wonder party you support so good luck with that.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot[/p][/quote]If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.[/p][/quote]The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.[/p][/quote]Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate.[/p][/quote]I will not go to the UKIP website, I've looked in the past & their policies are dropped & created like the weather. All I will do is not vote for them, as will many people when they see how little substance they have to anything they say over the next year.[/p][/quote]So you willfully stay ignorant? I bet you go away and peddle the same nonsense you have on here tonight elsewhere, with no knowledge of whether what you say is correct on not (by the way, very little was). That's weird. I myself prefer to learn, and if that means my opinion changes then so be it. I was about to suggest we start a.new thread but I now see there is not point. There's non so blind as those who will not see.[/p][/quote]No, I'm not ignorant at all, that's your presumption. I've done my own research over time, observed, read the facts & made the informed decision that UKIP are racist, homophobic, sexist bigots. They deny equal rights to people based on qualities they were born with & I refuse to accept such a party. You clearly think very highly of yourself & the one minute wonder party you support so good luck with that. sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

11:31pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next. Benali76
  • Score: -1

11:33pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment.

What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?
It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum.
There we go, yet another UKIP supporter that has to turn to insults & vulgar language to get their point across.

The Swastika was also used for thousands of years prior to the Nazi's adoption do it. Does that make it any less synonymous of the Nazi party?
I think calling people Nazis is pretty vulgar personally.
You would, it offends you as you support a party of neo-Nazis. The Nazi's turned the German people against a religion as they were blamed for the country's problems, just as immigrants are being blamed for the UK's problems.

There's nothing vulgar in my comparison. In your choice of vulgar language however.......
What was my vulgar language?
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone else once talked of a peoples army although he called it the VolkSturm a rag-tag army of young boys and old men at the desperate end of a failed fascist experiment. What next Farage "Work sets you free" perhaps ?[/p][/quote]It's a common misconception 'Arbeit macht frei" was a Nazi slogon. In fact it was displayed on factory gates for hundresd of years in Germany before the Nazis ever gained power. Keep making the comparison though while the true victims of the holocaust think you're fu king scum.[/p][/quote]There we go, yet another UKIP supporter that has to turn to insults & vulgar language to get their point across. The Swastika was also used for thousands of years prior to the Nazi's adoption do it. Does that make it any less synonymous of the Nazi party?[/p][/quote]I think calling people Nazis is pretty vulgar personally.[/p][/quote]You would, it offends you as you support a party of neo-Nazis. The Nazi's turned the German people against a religion as they were blamed for the country's problems, just as immigrants are being blamed for the UK's problems. There's nothing vulgar in my comparison. In your choice of vulgar language however.......[/p][/quote]What was my vulgar language? Benali76
  • Score: -3

11:43pm Mon 26 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.
And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot
If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.
The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.
Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate.
I will not go to the UKIP website, I've looked in the past & their policies are dropped & created like the weather. All I will do is not vote for them, as will many people when they see how little substance they have to anything they say over the next year.
So you willfully stay ignorant? I bet you go away and peddle the same nonsense you have on here tonight elsewhere, with no knowledge of whether what you say is correct on not (by the way, very little was). That's weird. I myself prefer to learn, and if that means my opinion changes then so be it. I was about to suggest we start a.new thread but I now see there is not point. There's non so blind as those who will not see.
No, I'm not ignorant at all, that's your presumption. I've done my own research over time, observed, read the facts & made the informed decision that UKIP are racist, homophobic, sexist bigots. They deny equal rights to people based on qualities they were born with & I refuse to accept such a party.

You clearly think very highly of yourself & the one minute wonder party you support so good luck with that.
That you are ignorant of the subjection speak is not a presumption it is an observation based on evidence. I think better of myself than to believe what you have written there. I believe in researching and knowing my subject matter I know I understand this subject better than you. But that does not qualify as "thinking highly of myself", that would make me one low expectation having mutha funkster. The conclusion you have reached is via provably incorrect information, but you admit you do not wish to discover you are wrong. That's dishonest to yourself. Oh well carry on, I have faith in humans to see the truth rise to the surface eventually.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: its not racist to not want foreigners coming here and getting freebies.just look at france spain italy and denmark they jave also had enough.[/p][/quote]And you don't want them coming here pumping billions into our economy and stimulating growth which benefits all of us either do you, I take it you are Saints fan from your name, lets stop all those foreign footballers and managers coming over here and stealing English players places as well shall we? Idiot[/p][/quote]If you think you are so correct to call him an idiot then why do you have to deliberately misinterpret his words to make your argument? He said coming here for freebies, which many do - undeniably. A managed immigration policy would not stop the positives immigration brings, so your rant is a moot point. It would notional stop the undesirables but help eliminate the stigma ignorantly attached to the many decent immigrants we have. You will never understand it is you who are the biggest recruiter to far right parties like the now (thanks to UKIP) defunct BNP.[/p][/quote]The immigration policy that Farage proposes would prevent the positives of immigration. He wants a cap on the number of foreigners to enter the UK as a whole, not preventing benefit tourists & welcoming those that work & contribute to our economy as Cameron proposes.[/p][/quote]Wrong. Research it. He wants the same system as Australia, Canada etc. If we need the skill, and the immigrant has that skill, as well as no criminal record then it's all good. It is managed immigration, it is a no brainier. The only reason it is not in play is because the politicians cannot enforce it while they are servants to the EU. So they try and dupe us. You've been duped. Go to Ukip website and read it, then debate.[/p][/quote]I will not go to the UKIP website, I've looked in the past & their policies are dropped & created like the weather. All I will do is not vote for them, as will many people when they see how little substance they have to anything they say over the next year.[/p][/quote]So you willfully stay ignorant? I bet you go away and peddle the same nonsense you have on here tonight elsewhere, with no knowledge of whether what you say is correct on not (by the way, very little was). That's weird. I myself prefer to learn, and if that means my opinion changes then so be it. I was about to suggest we start a.new thread but I now see there is not point. There's non so blind as those who will not see.[/p][/quote]No, I'm not ignorant at all, that's your presumption. I've done my own research over time, observed, read the facts & made the informed decision that UKIP are racist, homophobic, sexist bigots. They deny equal rights to people based on qualities they were born with & I refuse to accept such a party. You clearly think very highly of yourself & the one minute wonder party you support so good luck with that.[/p][/quote]That you are ignorant of the subjection speak is not a presumption it is an observation based on evidence. I think better of myself than to believe what you have written there. I believe in researching and knowing my subject matter I know I understand this subject better than you. But that does not qualify as "thinking highly of myself", that would make me one low expectation having mutha funkster. The conclusion you have reached is via provably incorrect information, but you admit you do not wish to discover you are wrong. That's dishonest to yourself. Oh well carry on, I have faith in humans to see the truth rise to the surface eventually. Benali76
  • Score: -1

11:50pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over. sotonboy84
  • Score: 0

12:04am Tue 27 May 14

BeyondImagination says...

The only reason we have a debate on Europe at all is because of UKIP. No, I don' t want a UKIP government but I do want a shake up in British politics and our relationship with Europe. I don't see any other party coming close to change without the Farage boot up its behind.
The only reason we have a debate on Europe at all is because of UKIP. No, I don' t want a UKIP government but I do want a shake up in British politics and our relationship with Europe. I don't see any other party coming close to change without the Farage boot up its behind. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 4

12:15am Tue 27 May 14

Benali76 says...

I am assuming here but you seem young, your name says 84, so I'm guessing you are 30. Throughout your lifetime that word is am offensive term. You have grown up in a school system and media world that is totally accepting of homosexuality. I happen to agree with you on the subject. But imagine if in 40 years the word gay was deemed, by the ruling elite and modern generation to be obscene? Would you know or care? It's just a word, no biggie. But still you vote for a party whose equalivalent to Mr Sullivan was guilty of rape or assault or kiddy fiddling or fraud. Why so up in arms about a word but ignore these actions in whoever you voted for. Tory right? How did that campaign go where they drove around in cars with immigrants go home written on them.
I am assuming here but you seem young, your name says 84, so I'm guessing you are 30. Throughout your lifetime that word is am offensive term. You have grown up in a school system and media world that is totally accepting of homosexuality. I happen to agree with you on the subject. But imagine if in 40 years the word gay was deemed, by the ruling elite and modern generation to be obscene? Would you know or care? It's just a word, no biggie. But still you vote for a party whose equalivalent to Mr Sullivan was guilty of rape or assault or kiddy fiddling or fraud. Why so up in arms about a word but ignore these actions in whoever you voted for. Tory right? How did that campaign go where they drove around in cars with immigrants go home written on them. Benali76
  • Score: -1

12:16am Tue 27 May 14

Benali76 says...

Benali76 wrote:
I am assuming here but you seem young, your name says 84, so I'm guessing you are 30. Throughout your lifetime that word is am offensive term. You have grown up in a school system and media world that is totally accepting of homosexuality. I happen to agree with you on the subject. But imagine if in 40 years the word gay was deemed, by the ruling elite and modern generation to be obscene? Would you know or care? It's just a word, no biggie. But still you vote for a party whose equalivalent to Mr Sullivan was guilty of rape or assault or kiddy fiddling or fraud. Why so up in arms about a word but ignore these actions in whoever you voted for. Tory right? How did that campaign go where they drove around in cars with immigrants go home written on them.
Above post @sotonboy84
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: I am assuming here but you seem young, your name says 84, so I'm guessing you are 30. Throughout your lifetime that word is am offensive term. You have grown up in a school system and media world that is totally accepting of homosexuality. I happen to agree with you on the subject. But imagine if in 40 years the word gay was deemed, by the ruling elite and modern generation to be obscene? Would you know or care? It's just a word, no biggie. But still you vote for a party whose equalivalent to Mr Sullivan was guilty of rape or assault or kiddy fiddling or fraud. Why so up in arms about a word but ignore these actions in whoever you voted for. Tory right? How did that campaign go where they drove around in cars with immigrants go home written on them.[/p][/quote]Above post @sotonboy84 Benali76
  • Score: -2

12:29am Tue 27 May 14

Frank28 says...

Britain coped alright before we joined the Common Market. There are many reasons why we should leave Europe. I object to the amount of UK taxpayers' money that is being thrown at other countries. What do we get out the deal? Bureaucrats from landlocked countries, telling us how many fish we are allowed to take from our own waters! Nigel Farage has got enormous leverage in Brussels now. The campaign for the General Election has already begun, and it is likely to be the most exciting, as now, British Politics has suddenly become interesting!
Britain coped alright before we joined the Common Market. There are many reasons why we should leave Europe. I object to the amount of UK taxpayers' money that is being thrown at other countries. What do we get out the deal? Bureaucrats from landlocked countries, telling us how many fish we are allowed to take from our own waters! Nigel Farage has got enormous leverage in Brussels now. The campaign for the General Election has already begun, and it is likely to be the most exciting, as now, British Politics has suddenly become interesting! Frank28
  • Score: 1

12:33am Tue 27 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster. Benali76
  • Score: -1

2:03am Tue 27 May 14

Poppy22 says...

What the votes from the UK and some of the other early EU member countries is highlighting is that the Governments within these EU countries (not the Brussels bureaucrats) need to get together to work out how they can renegotiate EU membership for themselves and possibly all member states. And instead of having an in-out referendum, we need a survey that all registered voters can complete (online or paper) which not only asks whether the voter thinks we should be in or out of the EU (how can it be as simple as that one question?!) but also asks questions on key issues like trade, employment, immigration, etc, so that the various Governments can see what their voters feel and want! If they can get election papers out to us, they can get a simple survey re the EU, or we can complete one securely online using the "Government Gateway".
It's time Governments realised that a high proportion of voters aren't easily-led sheep but are intelligent people who are often as knowledgeable - often more knowledgeable! - as their MPs and Government officials, and they need to start listening to us!
If they don't start listening to the key issues voters are fed up with, or feel strongly about, and do something sensible about it, then yes they will end up with UKIP/similar (or far worse!) parties in power not only as MEPS but also in individual Governments.
What the votes from the UK and some of the other early EU member countries is highlighting is that the Governments within these EU countries (not the Brussels bureaucrats) need to get together to work out how they can renegotiate EU membership for themselves and possibly all member states. And instead of having an in-out referendum, we need a survey that all registered voters can complete (online or paper) which not only asks whether the voter thinks we should be in or out of the EU (how can it be as simple as that one question?!) but also asks questions on key issues like trade, employment, immigration, etc, so that the various Governments can see what their voters feel and want! If they can get election papers out to us, they can get a simple survey re the EU, or we can complete one securely online using the "Government Gateway". It's time Governments realised that a high proportion of voters aren't easily-led sheep but are intelligent people who are often as knowledgeable - often more knowledgeable! - as their MPs and Government officials, and they need to start listening to us! If they don't start listening to the key issues voters are fed up with, or feel strongly about, and do something sensible about it, then yes they will end up with UKIP/similar (or far worse!) parties in power not only as MEPS but also in individual Governments. Poppy22
  • Score: 2

6:51am Tue 27 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs. sotonboy84
  • Score: -1

7:20am Tue 27 May 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
thesouth wrote:
Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so
If you look where the votes came from South, they're made by a load of former Labour supporters who generally don't work & rely on handouts. The Conservatives have done a wonderful job at taking away the generous handouts & because these people need to point the finger of blame at somebody else, they chose immigrants.

They're ignorant, narrow minded and uneducated. You'll notice that the typical UKIP supporter can't hold constructive conservation, they turn to juvenile outbursts. Just like Dick57 above.
You said Nazis & Jews? I can't see any Jew being called a Nazis being happy with that statement?
I'm sorry but we have to bring in policies to make our bone idol work & then if we have full employment of the work force that can work we'll be about a million jobs needing filling then we open it up to EU people as Farage has already said but until then I say shut the doors throw out any illegals with or with out ID.
Stop any EU colonials moving here & only if we can't train our own people to do the job do we let in anyone else.
We hear Labour bang on about the 24 hour contracts yet whilst there's a pool of workers willing to come here for the minimum wage & to do those contracts then how can you change it?
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so[/p][/quote]If you look where the votes came from South, they're made by a load of former Labour supporters who generally don't work & rely on handouts. The Conservatives have done a wonderful job at taking away the generous handouts & because these people need to point the finger of blame at somebody else, they chose immigrants. They're ignorant, narrow minded and uneducated. You'll notice that the typical UKIP supporter can't hold constructive conservation, they turn to juvenile outbursts. Just like Dick57 above.[/p][/quote]You said Nazis & Jews? I can't see any Jew being called a Nazis being happy with that statement? I'm sorry but we have to bring in policies to make our bone idol work & then if we have full employment of the work force that can work we'll be about a million jobs needing filling then we open it up to EU people as Farage has already said but until then I say shut the doors throw out any illegals with or with out ID. Stop any EU colonials moving here & only if we can't train our own people to do the job do we let in anyone else. We hear Labour bang on about the 24 hour contracts yet whilst there's a pool of workers willing to come here for the minimum wage & to do those contracts then how can you change it? loosehead
  • Score: -3

9:01am Tue 27 May 14

Taskforce 141 says...

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

These posts are highly amusing.

"UKIP are racist"... REALLY? Despite the Leader of UKIP being married to a German? and a Black Councillor representing them? Very interesting, clearly the meaning of racism changed and I didn't get the memo!

I am glad that this Earthquake will shake the top and if the "Big 3" dont sort their act out, there may well be a bigger Quake come next year.
BAHAHAHAHAHA! These posts are highly amusing. "UKIP are racist"... REALLY? Despite the Leader of UKIP being married to a German? and a Black Councillor representing them? Very interesting, clearly the meaning of racism changed and I didn't get the memo! I am glad that this Earthquake will shake the top and if the "Big 3" dont sort their act out, there may well be a bigger Quake come next year. Taskforce 141
  • Score: 2

10:18am Tue 27 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
thesouth wrote:
Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so
If you look where the votes came from South, they're made by a load of former Labour supporters who generally don't work & rely on handouts. The Conservatives have done a wonderful job at taking away the generous handouts & because these people need to point the finger of blame at somebody else, they chose immigrants.

They're ignorant, narrow minded and uneducated. You'll notice that the typical UKIP supporter can't hold constructive conservation, they turn to juvenile outbursts. Just like Dick57 above.
You said Nazis & Jews? I can't see any Jew being called a Nazis being happy with that statement?
I'm sorry but we have to bring in policies to make our bone idol work & then if we have full employment of the work force that can work we'll be about a million jobs needing filling then we open it up to EU people as Farage has already said but until then I say shut the doors throw out any illegals with or with out ID.
Stop any EU colonials moving here & only if we can't train our own people to do the job do we let in anyone else.
We hear Labour bang on about the 24 hour contracts yet whilst there's a pool of workers willing to come here for the minimum wage & to do those contracts then how can you change it?
Farage isn't targetting the illegals, they're targetting anybody who is an immigrant and creating a hate campaign against all immigrants. They're being blamed for the problems in the UK even though the majority of probelms lay with many bone idled British with no connection to immigrants.

There are many immigrants in the UK that work as doctors, dentists, teachers, shop assistants and cleaners. Many immigrants that are unskilled take low paid jobs cleaning or a number of part time low paid jobs and many run small businsesses so are self-employed. The number of immigrants that come to the UK just to claim benefits is tiny in comparison to the number of immigrants in the country and the number of those that work. I would rather have somebody working in the UK, couldn't care where they're from rather than the lazy British that think a birth right entitles them to a life on benefits because of "bad backs and depression".

Many British people are lazy and will not do these jobs. I see jobs advertised all the time, in shops, in papers, on the internet and there is not a shortage of jobs. Many think it's beneath them to work in a supermarket stacking shelves or cleaning toilets, but then moan when an immigrant will do the job. Many immigrants have a strong work ethic as they have lived in opressed country's where work, money and food are hard to come by so the sieze the opportunity in the UK. Many British have been so spoilt and used to taxpayer funded handouts that they've become lazy and complacent.

For somebody that's married to a Thai woman, I would hope you have more compassion towards those that want to come to the UK, work and better themselves. I completely agree that benefit tourism needs to stop, even though it's a minority of people and that we need to regain control from Europe and we need to control our boarders.

I do not agree however with the hate campaign from UKIP that paints all immigrants as some sort of thieving second rate citizens who are out to take whatever they can from the British. A focus should be made to put an end to benefit abuse, not targetting those that have a different passport.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so[/p][/quote]If you look where the votes came from South, they're made by a load of former Labour supporters who generally don't work & rely on handouts. The Conservatives have done a wonderful job at taking away the generous handouts & because these people need to point the finger of blame at somebody else, they chose immigrants. They're ignorant, narrow minded and uneducated. You'll notice that the typical UKIP supporter can't hold constructive conservation, they turn to juvenile outbursts. Just like Dick57 above.[/p][/quote]You said Nazis & Jews? I can't see any Jew being called a Nazis being happy with that statement? I'm sorry but we have to bring in policies to make our bone idol work & then if we have full employment of the work force that can work we'll be about a million jobs needing filling then we open it up to EU people as Farage has already said but until then I say shut the doors throw out any illegals with or with out ID. Stop any EU colonials moving here & only if we can't train our own people to do the job do we let in anyone else. We hear Labour bang on about the 24 hour contracts yet whilst there's a pool of workers willing to come here for the minimum wage & to do those contracts then how can you change it?[/p][/quote]Farage isn't targetting the illegals, they're targetting anybody who is an immigrant and creating a hate campaign against all immigrants. They're being blamed for the problems in the UK even though the majority of probelms lay with many bone idled British with no connection to immigrants. There are many immigrants in the UK that work as doctors, dentists, teachers, shop assistants and cleaners. Many immigrants that are unskilled take low paid jobs cleaning or a number of part time low paid jobs and many run small businsesses so are self-employed. The number of immigrants that come to the UK just to claim benefits is tiny in comparison to the number of immigrants in the country and the number of those that work. I would rather have somebody working in the UK, couldn't care where they're from rather than the lazy British that think a birth right entitles them to a life on benefits because of "bad backs and depression". Many British people are lazy and will not do these jobs. I see jobs advertised all the time, in shops, in papers, on the internet and there is not a shortage of jobs. Many think it's beneath them to work in a supermarket stacking shelves or cleaning toilets, but then moan when an immigrant will do the job. Many immigrants have a strong work ethic as they have lived in opressed country's where work, money and food are hard to come by so the sieze the opportunity in the UK. Many British have been so spoilt and used to taxpayer funded handouts that they've become lazy and complacent. For somebody that's married to a Thai woman, I would hope you have more compassion towards those that want to come to the UK, work and better themselves. I completely agree that benefit tourism needs to stop, even though it's a minority of people and that we need to regain control from Europe and we need to control our boarders. I do not agree however with the hate campaign from UKIP that paints all immigrants as some sort of thieving second rate citizens who are out to take whatever they can from the British. A focus should be made to put an end to benefit abuse, not targetting those that have a different passport. sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

10:23am Tue 27 May 14

bigfella777 says...

Taskforce 141 wrote:
BAHAHAHAHAHA!

These posts are highly amusing.

"UKIP are racist"... REALLY? Despite the Leader of UKIP being married to a German? and a Black Councillor representing them? Very interesting, clearly the meaning of racism changed and I didn't get the memo!

I am glad that this Earthquake will shake the top and if the "Big 3" dont sort their act out, there may well be a bigger Quake come next year.
I love Europe and being part if it. Everyone is welcome as far as I'm concerned. Don't worry about the ignorant few UKIP have reached high tide and will soon slip away.
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: BAHAHAHAHAHA! These posts are highly amusing. "UKIP are racist"... REALLY? Despite the Leader of UKIP being married to a German? and a Black Councillor representing them? Very interesting, clearly the meaning of racism changed and I didn't get the memo! I am glad that this Earthquake will shake the top and if the "Big 3" dont sort their act out, there may well be a bigger Quake come next year.[/p][/quote]I love Europe and being part if it. Everyone is welcome as far as I'm concerned. Don't worry about the ignorant few UKIP have reached high tide and will soon slip away. bigfella777
  • Score: 1

12:26pm Tue 27 May 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
thesouth wrote:
Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so
If you look where the votes came from South, they're made by a load of former Labour supporters who generally don't work & rely on handouts. The Conservatives have done a wonderful job at taking away the generous handouts & because these people need to point the finger of blame at somebody else, they chose immigrants.

They're ignorant, narrow minded and uneducated. You'll notice that the typical UKIP supporter can't hold constructive conservation, they turn to juvenile outbursts. Just like Dick57 above.
You said Nazis & Jews? I can't see any Jew being called a Nazis being happy with that statement?
I'm sorry but we have to bring in policies to make our bone idol work & then if we have full employment of the work force that can work we'll be about a million jobs needing filling then we open it up to EU people as Farage has already said but until then I say shut the doors throw out any illegals with or with out ID.
Stop any EU colonials moving here & only if we can't train our own people to do the job do we let in anyone else.
We hear Labour bang on about the 24 hour contracts yet whilst there's a pool of workers willing to come here for the minimum wage & to do those contracts then how can you change it?
Farage isn't targetting the illegals, they're targetting anybody who is an immigrant and creating a hate campaign against all immigrants. They're being blamed for the problems in the UK even though the majority of probelms lay with many bone idled British with no connection to immigrants.

There are many immigrants in the UK that work as doctors, dentists, teachers, shop assistants and cleaners. Many immigrants that are unskilled take low paid jobs cleaning or a number of part time low paid jobs and many run small businsesses so are self-employed. The number of immigrants that come to the UK just to claim benefits is tiny in comparison to the number of immigrants in the country and the number of those that work. I would rather have somebody working in the UK, couldn't care where they're from rather than the lazy British that think a birth right entitles them to a life on benefits because of "bad backs and depression".

Many British people are lazy and will not do these jobs. I see jobs advertised all the time, in shops, in papers, on the internet and there is not a shortage of jobs. Many think it's beneath them to work in a supermarket stacking shelves or cleaning toilets, but then moan when an immigrant will do the job. Many immigrants have a strong work ethic as they have lived in opressed country's where work, money and food are hard to come by so the sieze the opportunity in the UK. Many British have been so spoilt and used to taxpayer funded handouts that they've become lazy and complacent.

For somebody that's married to a Thai woman, I would hope you have more compassion towards those that want to come to the UK, work and better themselves. I completely agree that benefit tourism needs to stop, even though it's a minority of people and that we need to regain control from Europe and we need to control our boarders.

I do not agree however with the hate campaign from UKIP that paints all immigrants as some sort of thieving second rate citizens who are out to take whatever they can from the British. A focus should be made to put an end to benefit abuse, not targetting those that have a different passport.
Sorry but the Asylum act states that all asylum seekers/refugees go to the nearest safe country not the UK.
So if we feel oppressed & we go to Australia with no intention of using the legal route that's okay is it?
My wife has acted totally legally so your wrong to even bring her into this argument.
I have already said if you take the unemployed figure from the amount of Eastern EU workers here there would still be unfulfilled jobs then take the 1million unemployable from that figure & we'd have at least 1.5million jobs top fill.
Farage has accepted this & a German solution of you can get a work permit work there with no rights to settle there was their solution so why couldn't we do the same here?
To hear business leaders bang on about the lack of skills & needing migrants to do the work is a joke.why aren't they training the local people or are they saying Labours social engineering Comprehensive school system was a total flop & hasn't produced the level of intelligence we need & third world countries are?
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Reading pro UKIP comments are hilarious, you are brainwashed and clearly don't see for your self the racist comments being made by UKIP. When all the 'foreigners' leave you all to it, then what? You telling me you will work past working time regulations for a pittance? Didn't think so. Keep the pro comments coming , they are great entertainment to see what plebs Britain has . Oh and if you seriously believe what you are saying is valid and in no way racist, tell them to the man in the indian restaurant etc next time you go.........didn't think so[/p][/quote]If you look where the votes came from South, they're made by a load of former Labour supporters who generally don't work & rely on handouts. The Conservatives have done a wonderful job at taking away the generous handouts & because these people need to point the finger of blame at somebody else, they chose immigrants. They're ignorant, narrow minded and uneducated. You'll notice that the typical UKIP supporter can't hold constructive conservation, they turn to juvenile outbursts. Just like Dick57 above.[/p][/quote]You said Nazis & Jews? I can't see any Jew being called a Nazis being happy with that statement? I'm sorry but we have to bring in policies to make our bone idol work & then if we have full employment of the work force that can work we'll be about a million jobs needing filling then we open it up to EU people as Farage has already said but until then I say shut the doors throw out any illegals with or with out ID. Stop any EU colonials moving here & only if we can't train our own people to do the job do we let in anyone else. We hear Labour bang on about the 24 hour contracts yet whilst there's a pool of workers willing to come here for the minimum wage & to do those contracts then how can you change it?[/p][/quote]Farage isn't targetting the illegals, they're targetting anybody who is an immigrant and creating a hate campaign against all immigrants. They're being blamed for the problems in the UK even though the majority of probelms lay with many bone idled British with no connection to immigrants. There are many immigrants in the UK that work as doctors, dentists, teachers, shop assistants and cleaners. Many immigrants that are unskilled take low paid jobs cleaning or a number of part time low paid jobs and many run small businsesses so are self-employed. The number of immigrants that come to the UK just to claim benefits is tiny in comparison to the number of immigrants in the country and the number of those that work. I would rather have somebody working in the UK, couldn't care where they're from rather than the lazy British that think a birth right entitles them to a life on benefits because of "bad backs and depression". Many British people are lazy and will not do these jobs. I see jobs advertised all the time, in shops, in papers, on the internet and there is not a shortage of jobs. Many think it's beneath them to work in a supermarket stacking shelves or cleaning toilets, but then moan when an immigrant will do the job. Many immigrants have a strong work ethic as they have lived in opressed country's where work, money and food are hard to come by so the sieze the opportunity in the UK. Many British have been so spoilt and used to taxpayer funded handouts that they've become lazy and complacent. For somebody that's married to a Thai woman, I would hope you have more compassion towards those that want to come to the UK, work and better themselves. I completely agree that benefit tourism needs to stop, even though it's a minority of people and that we need to regain control from Europe and we need to control our boarders. I do not agree however with the hate campaign from UKIP that paints all immigrants as some sort of thieving second rate citizens who are out to take whatever they can from the British. A focus should be made to put an end to benefit abuse, not targetting those that have a different passport.[/p][/quote]Sorry but the Asylum act states that all asylum seekers/refugees go to the nearest safe country not the UK. So if we feel oppressed & we go to Australia with no intention of using the legal route that's okay is it? My wife has acted totally legally so your wrong to even bring her into this argument. I have already said if you take the unemployed figure from the amount of Eastern EU workers here there would still be unfulfilled jobs then take the 1million unemployable from that figure & we'd have at least 1.5million jobs top fill. Farage has accepted this & a German solution of you can get a work permit work there with no rights to settle there was their solution so why couldn't we do the same here? To hear business leaders bang on about the lack of skills & needing migrants to do the work is a joke.why aren't they training the local people or are they saying Labours social engineering Comprehensive school system was a total flop & hasn't produced the level of intelligence we need & third world countries are? loosehead
  • Score: -1

1:58pm Tue 27 May 14

Benali76 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
So you are stupid enough to think he was advocating shooting gay people.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.[/p][/quote]So you are stupid enough to think he was advocating shooting gay people. Benali76
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Tue 27 May 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman.
So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married?
I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals?
What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way?
Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that?
I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.[/p][/quote]Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman. So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married? I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals? What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way? Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that? I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you. loosehead
  • Score: -1

5:58pm Tue 27 May 14

Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham says...

Up until Poland et al were granted accession to the EU, there were few people who were more enthusiastic Europeans than myself. I'd even go so far to say that I considered myself a EuroFederalist, in fact.
However, the sheer level of immigration that the UK has experienced from the former Eastern Bloc has made me see the light. NO former Eastern Bloc nation should have been permitted to join until at least 2030, it was wrong, it was foolish, it was short-sighted and it has been a catastrophe.
Therefore, I can see no hope of progress for our society and no hope for our younger generation until we are free of the EU and our jobs market and infrastructure therefore "out of reach" to those in the East.
It's nothing to do with "racism", nothing to do with "xenophobia" - the accusations levelled against other UKIP-voting commenters here asserting that they dislike others due to the colour of their skin is utterly repugnant - but it IS everything to do with putting one's own people first over the wishes of alien entities like the increasingly militaristic EUSSR and its even more despicable counterpart in Washington.
NO more war for the usurers, and Britain for the BRITISH.
Up until Poland et al were granted accession to the EU, there were few people who were more enthusiastic Europeans than myself. I'd even go so far to say that I considered myself a EuroFederalist, in fact. However, the sheer level of immigration that the UK has experienced from the former Eastern Bloc has made me see the light. NO former Eastern Bloc nation should have been permitted to join until at least 2030, it was wrong, it was foolish, it was short-sighted and it has been a catastrophe. Therefore, I can see no hope of progress for our society and no hope for our younger generation until we are free of the EU and our jobs market and infrastructure therefore "out of reach" to those in the East. It's nothing to do with "racism", nothing to do with "xenophobia" - the accusations levelled against other UKIP-voting commenters here asserting that they dislike others due to the colour of their skin is utterly repugnant - but it IS everything to do with putting one's own people first over the wishes of alien entities like the increasingly militaristic EUSSR and its even more despicable counterpart in Washington. NO more war for the usurers, and Britain for the BRITISH. Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham
  • Score: 1

7:52pm Tue 27 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
So you are stupid enough to think he was advocating shooting gay people.
He was stirring up hatred and promoting harming people based on their sexuality, there's no other interpretation.

The stupidity crown is all yours Commandant.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.[/p][/quote]So you are stupid enough to think he was advocating shooting gay people.[/p][/quote]He was stirring up hatred and promoting harming people based on their sexuality, there's no other interpretation. The stupidity crown is all yours Commandant. sotonboy84
  • Score: 0

8:09pm Tue 27 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman.
So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married?
I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals?
What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way?
Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that?
I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.
Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure.

Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.[/p][/quote]Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman. So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married? I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals? What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way? Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that? I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.[/p][/quote]Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure. Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality. sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

9:09pm Tue 27 May 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman.
So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married?
I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals?
What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way?
Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that?
I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.
Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure.

Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.
I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument .
You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed.
So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it?
Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP.
Let the people decide & the truth will come out.
I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.[/p][/quote]Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman. So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married? I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals? What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way? Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that? I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.[/p][/quote]Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure. Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.[/p][/quote]I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument . You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed. So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it? Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP. Let the people decide & the truth will come out. I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum. loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:52pm Tue 27 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman.
So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married?
I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals?
What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way?
Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that?
I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.
Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure.

Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.
I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument .
You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed.
So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it?
Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP.
Let the people decide & the truth will come out.
I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum.
"Gay marriage" is now the law so there is no turning back. UKIP still don't support it so they don't accept a law which has been passed giving equal rights to everybody regardless of sexuality.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.[/p][/quote]Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman. So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married? I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals? What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way? Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that? I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.[/p][/quote]Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure. Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.[/p][/quote]I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument . You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed. So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it? Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP. Let the people decide & the truth will come out. I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum.[/p][/quote]"Gay marriage" is now the law so there is no turning back. UKIP still don't support it so they don't accept a law which has been passed giving equal rights to everybody regardless of sexuality. sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

4:13pm Wed 28 May 14

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman.
So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married?
I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals?
What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way?
Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that?
I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.
Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure.

Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.
I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument .
You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed.
So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it?
Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP.
Let the people decide & the truth will come out.
I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum.
"Gay marriage" is now the law so there is no turning back. UKIP still don't support it so they don't accept a law which has been passed giving equal rights to everybody regardless of sexuality.
There is nothing in any UKIP manifesto about gay marriage, there have only been comments by some with their opinions. My own opinion as a Ukipper is that having been married three times myself I see no reason why any one should be exempted from the suffering.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.[/p][/quote]Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman. So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married? I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals? What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way? Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that? I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.[/p][/quote]Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure. Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.[/p][/quote]I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument . You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed. So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it? Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP. Let the people decide & the truth will come out. I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum.[/p][/quote]"Gay marriage" is now the law so there is no turning back. UKIP still don't support it so they don't accept a law which has been passed giving equal rights to everybody regardless of sexuality.[/p][/quote]There is nothing in any UKIP manifesto about gay marriage, there have only been comments by some with their opinions. My own opinion as a Ukipper is that having been married three times myself I see no reason why any one should be exempted from the suffering. Inform Al
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7:10pm Thu 29 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman.
So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married?
I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals?
What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way?
Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that?
I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.
Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure.

Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.
I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument .
You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed.
So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it?
Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP.
Let the people decide & the truth will come out.
I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum.
"Gay marriage" is now the law so there is no turning back. UKIP still don't support it so they don't accept a law which has been passed giving equal rights to everybody regardless of sexuality.
There is nothing in any UKIP manifesto about gay marriage, there have only been comments by some with their opinions. My own opinion as a Ukipper is that having been married three times myself I see no reason why any one should be exempted from the suffering.
Farage himself said UKIP DON'T support gay marriage, but they support Civil Partnerships. As a "Ukipper" I though you might know that.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.[/p][/quote]Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman. So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married? I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals? What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way? Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that? I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.[/p][/quote]Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure. Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.[/p][/quote]I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument . You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed. So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it? Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP. Let the people decide & the truth will come out. I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum.[/p][/quote]"Gay marriage" is now the law so there is no turning back. UKIP still don't support it so they don't accept a law which has been passed giving equal rights to everybody regardless of sexuality.[/p][/quote]There is nothing in any UKIP manifesto about gay marriage, there have only been comments by some with their opinions. My own opinion as a Ukipper is that having been married three times myself I see no reason why any one should be exempted from the suffering.[/p][/quote]Farage himself said UKIP DON'T support gay marriage, but they support Civil Partnerships. As a "Ukipper" I though you might know that. sotonboy84
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Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
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I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP.
Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury .
No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations.
Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists?
So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists?
It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe.
I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European.
The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?
You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not.

The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed.

Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams?

Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills.

The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support.

There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them!
You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided?
As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that.
Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back
John Sullivan wrote on Facebook:

“I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)”

The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.
Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?
But why wasn't he fired?
Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.
Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!!

Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP.

Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag.

This conversation is over.
And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.
I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points.

I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable.

UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.
Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman.
So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married?
I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals?
What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way?
Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that?
I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.
Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure.

Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.
I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument .
You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed.
So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it?
Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP.
Let the people decide & the truth will come out.
I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum.
"Gay marriage" is now the law so there is no turning back. UKIP still don't support it so they don't accept a law which has been passed giving equal rights to everybody regardless of sexuality.
There is nothing in any UKIP manifesto about gay marriage, there have only been comments by some with their opinions. My own opinion as a Ukipper is that having been married three times myself I see no reason why any one should be exempted from the suffering.
Farage himself said UKIP DON'T support gay marriage, but they support Civil Partnerships. As a "Ukipper" I though you might know that.
I am fully aware of what Farage said, but he alone does not make the manifesto, and there is nothing about gay marriage in the old manifesto and very unlikely to appear in the next one. Fact is that too much parliamentary time was wasted on this matter and although I personally have no problem with gay marriage or civil partnership, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Having a view on civil partnerships or gay marriage does not constitute homophobia, it is more likely to be a matter of being a believer in some religion.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm not claiming any sort of Government hand out I'm not racist & I voted UKIP. Unlike some of these PRO EU supporters on here I know we never ever voted to join the EU no one at the time mentioned the EURO or having no rights to a jury . No one mentioned our sovereignty would be lost indeed we were promised we'd keep it & just be in a trading block of nations. Now we say enough's enough we want out & that makes us racists? So the French, Greek & other EU countries are all fascists & racists? It was an experiment to try to stop wars which has badly failed in all but stopping wars in Western Europe. I take great pride in saying I'm British & then with the same pride in saying I'm English at no time do I say I'm European. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU but are part of the UK & they survive & aren't racists so why can't we survive out side a country we never voted for?[/p][/quote]You're missing the point, I believe our membership of the EU needs renegotiating or we leave. I'm not saying we should continue to be a member or not. The point I'm making is Farage & UKIP are not the answer. If they got in power, which is unlikely due to their other "policies" being very weak, but if they did much of the progress we've made as a country would be reversed. Who in their right mind would want to bring back smoking rooms in pubs when the benefit of banning smoking in such places is clear. And what about bringing back "grandeur" on trains, formal dress in theatres & restricting the number of foreign players on football teams? Then you have Farage's comment about the "white working class", the party don't support gay marriage & they want to restrict immigration based on numbers rather than skills. The result is a racist & homophobic party, denying equal rights to people based on the colour of their skin, sexuality & country of origin. All this is only scratching the surface whilst they're trying to gain support. There is no room in civilised society for views like this. Just like there is no room for nutcases who talk about shooting gays & thinking psychiatric treatment will "cure" them![/p][/quote]You've just made a huge leap in logic. From them not expressing an opinion on the largely irrelevant issue of gay marriage and a comment about white working class, which as explained above you have misunderstood, or been duped by the media into misunderstanding, you have concluded UKIP are racist and homophobic. If I correct you and inform you their policy on immigration is based on requirement, ie if they possess the necessary skills we desire (just like most of the rest of the world) will you admit your conclusion is misguided? As for the idiot/s who said about gay people, they got fired. See the members of the Liblabcon who in recent weeks have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling, fraud, rape, assault - real acts, not just saying stupid things - but never made the front pages or the BBC. Strange that. Smoking ban, uniforms for cabbies etc. I agree with you, it's a nonsense, hence Farage scrapping it a while back[/p][/quote]John Sullivan wrote on Facebook: “I rather often wonder if we shot one “poofter” (GLBT whatevers), whether the next 99 would decide on balance, that they weren’t after-all? We might then conclude that it’s not a matter of genetics, but rather more of education ;)” The UKIP member Farage claimed to be unaware of.[/p][/quote]Well he was unaware of him, how can he be expected to know 1000s of his people, no one heading an organisation that size can micromanage that much, that would be insane. But yes he is an idiot. For him I raise you a paedophile, a rapist and a crook from a Westminster party of you choice. What's your point?[/p][/quote]But why wasn't he fired?[/p][/quote]Again you are avoiding virtually every other point raised but I will answer you question. Maybe he should have been but it's not so clear cut. It was a stupid way to raise a fair question. I assume you understand the point he was making and arent so stupid as to think he was advocating shooting gay people. I wonder? He was disciplined for saying poofta. But UKIP stand for freedom of expression, freedom of debate, anti PC so sacking an old boy who comes from a generation who use the word poofta, just as you say gay, is controversial. Some might say intolerant to his generation to tell him how he must think and what words he is allowred to use. So all in all your main stick to beat Ukip with seems to be more of a limp twig. Next.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, so it's ok for an "old boy" to say poofta but not ok for a younger person?!! Terms like that are outdated and offensive and there's no excuse to use them in modern society. End of. An "old boy" presumably moved with the rest of society so hiding in the past is not an excuse.We're not getting anywhere here, we both have different believes which I respect I don't respect your justification of the word poofta, which is the same basis why I don't respect UKIP. Not limp at all, current & inclusive. It's your ignorant & outdated beliefs that there are no room in the UK for so carry on, you're doing a wonderful job telling people why not to vote UKIP & flying their discriminatory flag. This conversation is over.[/p][/quote]And before I leave, just to point out you did it again. "your ignorant and outdated beliefs have no place in the UK". You just slander and make these sweeping accusations and smears without the slightest substantiation. Apart from pulling you up on all your mistakes essentially all I have said is we should leave the EU, manage our borders and I can find room in my heart to forgive an old boy for using a word that used to be common place but is now off limits and wonder whether sacking him might just be a tad harsh. Yeah I'm a monster.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree to disagree on a number of points. I certainly don't agree it's harsh to sack an "old boy" for using the word poofter. I think it's very wrong that he makes offensive statements about shooting based based solely on their sexuality. Homophobia is illegal, just as racism is & it's worrying that you think such sweeping & violent statements are acceptable. UKIP won't win a general election because they have weak policies & because of their outdated & discriminatory beliefs.[/p][/quote]Marriage was a religious act, in Judaism, Christianity & Islam God made man took a rib from man & made woman for man so the act of marriage was uniting man with the other part of his body so both man & woman became one person (Mr & Mrs Smith) so at no point does it say man was made for man or woman was made for woman. So you see I see the opponents to GAY marriage point of view now I've read some where that CIVIL partnerships gave the couple every thing a marriage would give them so why the insistence on being married? I'm not a religious zealot but are CIVIL partnerships offered to hetro sexuals? What if we want every thing being married offered us yet don't want to be married in a religious way? Many couples want to go further but many don't want the word married yet they aren't being treated as equals as the gay community are why is that? I also have friends who are gay so I'm not homophobic just trying to put another side of the argument to you.[/p][/quote]Civil partnership is a legal relationship exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage. It offers the same legal treatment as marriage across a range of matters, such as inheritance, pensions provision, life assurance, child maintenance, next of kin and immigration rights. Opposite-sex couples can opt for a religious or civil marriage ceremony, whereas a same-sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure. Basically same sex couples now have the right to choose a religious ceremony if they wish and the religious institution agrees to conduct it. There is no barrier between the commitment couples can show to one another, previously denied because of sexuality.[/p][/quote]I go to church & I put the argument forward I've heard from Christians about Gay marriages just to show you the other side of the argument . You can't call these people racists or fascists but they feel the sanctity of marriage as a religious ceremony is being destroyed. So a Civil Partnership is exclusively for a gay couple? So if a person is anti religious & against anything that even smacks of religion like a registrar wedding they can't have a Civil Partnership which makes it a case of discrimination against Hetrosexuals doesn't it? Honestly I have nothing against gay couples or people but I have a lot against using them to get a political point over against UKIP. Let the people decide & the truth will come out. I'll be voting Tory unless Cameron lies to us on a referendum.[/p][/quote]"Gay marriage" is now the law so there is no turning back. UKIP still don't support it so they don't accept a law which has been passed giving equal rights to everybody regardless of sexuality.[/p][/quote]There is nothing in any UKIP manifesto about gay marriage, there have only been comments by some with their opinions. My own opinion as a Ukipper is that having been married three times myself I see no reason why any one should be exempted from the suffering.[/p][/quote]Farage himself said UKIP DON'T support gay marriage, but they support Civil Partnerships. As a "Ukipper" I though you might know that.[/p][/quote]I am fully aware of what Farage said, but he alone does not make the manifesto, and there is nothing about gay marriage in the old manifesto and very unlikely to appear in the next one. Fact is that too much parliamentary time was wasted on this matter and although I personally have no problem with gay marriage or civil partnership, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Having a view on civil partnerships or gay marriage does not constitute homophobia, it is more likely to be a matter of being a believer in some religion. Inform Al
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