Leisure World in Southampton introduces Parking Eye in its car park

Anger over parking changes

Leisure World in Southampton

A parking sign at Leisure World in Southampton

A Parking Eye camera at Leisure World in Southampton

Anger over parking changes

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

WATCH out!

Unsuspecting drivers are getting hit by £100 fines after a new parking system was launched at a city centre leisure complex.

Controversial car park management service Parking Eye now monitors drivers leaving their vehicles at Leisure World car park by taking photos of their registration plates.

Users are required to enter their registration number into an on-site terminal and pay for how long they want to stay – otherwise they will be financially penalised.

Customers at Leisure World’s businesses, including the Odeon, Frankie and Benny’s and ASK, can get up to four hours free parking if they provide their details to the businesses inside the complex.

But the new scheme has already caught out some users of the car park, which used to be free to park in.

It has also hit the footfall in Leisure World according to businesses on site.

Drivers who enter the car park are greeted with a parking sign but are not told their vehicles will be photographed.

There are 66 signs across the car park informing motorists of the new procedure, but the Daily Echo could only see two pay terminal for motorists to enter their registration plates into – if paying to leave their cars there between 4am and 6pm.

Jon Herring, 39, has used the car park to visit the Odeon for the past ten years, but was stunned to receive a £100 penalty from Parking Eye in the post.

He said he was unaware of any changes and left his van in the car park as usual.

He said: “If the signs were there, I didn’t notice them.

“I went into the cinema, bought my drink, and watched the film. Then I received a parking notice through the post and thought “what the hell?”

“If you get a parking ticket from the council, you know straight away.

“If I pay within 14 days, it becomes £60 but if you appeal it – on any grounds – it stays £100. That’s blatant profiteering.

“In the cinema, there must have been three opportunities for someone to tell me about the system.

“It was in the middle of the afternoon and not busy.”

Mr Herring, of Langley, paid for his cinema ticket by cash but queried his penalty with Odeon and security staff, who managed to find his cinema premium card member details, which he used when buying his ticket.

The details were then sent to Parking Eye, which then in turn quashed the fee.

But Wayne Fitzgerald said his wife Joanna immediately paid the £60 fine after she took children Edward, eight, and Eliza, six, to the cinema last month.

Mr Fitzgerald, 44, of Golden Hind Park, Hythe, warned that a lot of unsuspecting people are going to be hit by fines.

He said: “They were bringing business to the area, buy ing cinema tickets and sweets, but what is an expensive day anyway ended up being very expensive.

“It needs a bigger display and it could have been so much more user friendly.

“It’s definitely profiteering.”

Paul Watters, head of public affairs at the AA, said Parking Eye are one of the biggest car park management services in the country but signage needs to be clear for motorists.

He said: “We take the view that the DVLA should tell the keeper that an inquiry has been made against them, so they have time to defend themselves.

“We hope regulation would bring down £100 penalties.

“If it goes down to £60, you are still paying more than if you got a fine from the city council, which is £30 if paid early.

“People need to be cautious but signage needs to be better.

“They often miss unambiguous signs on the entrance.”

Parking Eye says its signs are “twice the size” of the minimum required under the British Parking Association (BPA) code of conduct and were installed a month before the system went live.

A spokesman said: “Parking Eye is a member of the British Parking Association’s (BPA) approved operator scheme.

“Members of the BPA are required to follow a code of practice that is supported by the AA and the DVLA.

“In the case of the Leisure World car park, there are 66 large, clear signs in the car park, spelling out the cost of parking and the parking charge payable if payment is not made.

“We understand that genuine mistakes are sometimes made, however, and operate an audited appeals process, encouraging people to appeal if they feel there are mitigating circumstances.”

What we saw

OUR reporters counted around 30 vehicles in the once bustling car park.

We were told the car park rarely gets used during the day time when charges apply.

There are plenty of signs scattered around the site, informing drivers to input their registration details if using the car park.

One family drove into the car park and stopped to look at one of the signs, before turning
around and driving back off.

Even blue badge holders are required to adhere to the system otherwise they will be hit by the £100 penalty.

The system also seems to be confusing for users. We saw one man, who looked as if he was
going to pay, walk to one terminal before walking to another.

Charge notices show photos of ‘guilty’ car

PARKING charge notices are sent out to motorists captured by Parking Eye cameras if registration details are not entered into onsite terminals.

The notices, which are sent via post, show black and white photos of the vehicle entering and leaving the carpark, including the arrival and departure time.

It states the amount due is £100 but will be discounted to £60 if it is paid within 14 days of the date issued.

The notice reads: “The signage, which is clearly displayed at the entrance to and throughout the car park, states that this is private land, the car park is managed by ParkingEye Ltd, and that this is a pay and display car park for non Leisure World Southampton customers where tariffs apply and that Leisure World Southampton customers must enter their registration (using the terminal inside) to qualify for free parking, or the parking charge displayed will apply.”

The appeals and complaints procedure is highlighted on the back, which asks all complaints to include a store receipt from the day of the penalty, and proof of purchases via a bank statement.

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1:56pm Wed 4 Jun 14

garyom71 says...

My wife received such a notice recently. We went for a family meal at Ask and parked where we would normally park and have done for a number of years. I guess this is the reaosn why we did not spot the signs as it was not something we had had to worry about previously. We simply drove in parked up and went to the restaurant. I sent an email to the Ask restairant explaining the situation and the manager could not have been more helpful. I was not able to provide a receipt, but I knew what we ate and drank etc and the time we booked the table. This was sufficient to have the penalty waived. All I would ask (no pun intended) is that the restauramts/cinema's etc make it a point to advise customers as they come into their establishment or put their own sign in an obvious place, have a note at the desk or something so that patrons are informed.
My wife received such a notice recently. We went for a family meal at Ask and parked where we would normally park and have done for a number of years. I guess this is the reaosn why we did not spot the signs as it was not something we had had to worry about previously. We simply drove in parked up and went to the restaurant. I sent an email to the Ask restairant explaining the situation and the manager could not have been more helpful. I was not able to provide a receipt, but I knew what we ate and drank etc and the time we booked the table. This was sufficient to have the penalty waived. All I would ask (no pun intended) is that the restauramts/cinema's etc make it a point to advise customers as they come into their establishment or put their own sign in an obvious place, have a note at the desk or something so that patrons are informed. garyom71
  • Score: 45

1:57pm Wed 4 Jun 14

elvisimo says...

66 signs - difficult to complain - although unless the car park is full of people not using the er "facilities" then not the smartest move for a virtually obsolete scheme . Especially as Odeons lease is near its end......
66 signs - difficult to complain - although unless the car park is full of people not using the er "facilities" then not the smartest move for a virtually obsolete scheme . Especially as Odeons lease is near its end...... elvisimo
  • Score: 12

1:58pm Wed 4 Jun 14

garyom71 says...

Sorry for the couple of spelling mistakes...slapped wrist.
Sorry for the couple of spelling mistakes...slapped wrist. garyom71
  • Score: 7

2:02pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Hastagger says...

Hold the front page! Driver fined for not having parking ticket!

#trends
#non-story
#getalife
#yawn
Hold the front page! Driver fined for not having parking ticket! #trends #non-story #getalife #yawn Hastagger
  • Score: -56

2:09pm Wed 4 Jun 14

wwozzer says...

It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely.
It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely. wwozzer
  • Score: 93

2:12pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Graeme Harrison says...

Why are people bothering to pay these charges? They not fines (strictly speaking, they're contractual charges) and, without a judgment from the county court, they aren't legally enforceable.
Even if Parking Eye issued proceedings, they'd only be entitled to recover the difference between what you should have paid in parking charges (not the 'fine' of £100 but the amount you should have paid for the time you were parked up) and what you actually paid.
I think I've received about 50 of their demands and on not one occasion have they issued a county court claim against me (although they do send letters threatening all sorts before they get bored and stop hassling me).
Parking Eye are con men plain and simple.
Don't pay them. Don't write to them. Ignore their letters.
Why are people bothering to pay these charges? They not fines (strictly speaking, they're contractual charges) and, without a judgment from the county court, they aren't legally enforceable. Even if Parking Eye issued proceedings, they'd only be entitled to recover the difference between what you should have paid in parking charges (not the 'fine' of £100 but the amount you should have paid for the time you were parked up) and what you actually paid. I think I've received about 50 of their demands and on not one occasion have they issued a county court claim against me (although they do send letters threatening all sorts before they get bored and stop hassling me). Parking Eye are con men plain and simple. Don't pay them. Don't write to them. Ignore their letters. Graeme Harrison
  • Score: 171

2:22pm Wed 4 Jun 14

MrsCharlotteH says...

wwozzer wrote:
It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely.
anyone can request information from the DVLA. they do not sell it.
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely.[/p][/quote]anyone can request information from the DVLA. they do not sell it. MrsCharlotteH
  • Score: -11

2:29pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.
Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 44

2:35pm Wed 4 Jun 14

phil maccavity says...

MrsCharlotteH wrote:
wwozzer wrote:
It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely.
anyone can request information from the DVLA. they do not sell it.
DVLA will only give out Registration details if there is 'Reasonable Cause' eg
Accident
Parking Fines
Abandoned Vehicle
Driving off without paying for goods
Insurance Fraud
[quote][p][bold]MrsCharlotteH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely.[/p][/quote]anyone can request information from the DVLA. they do not sell it.[/p][/quote]DVLA will only give out Registration details if there is 'Reasonable Cause' eg Accident Parking Fines Abandoned Vehicle Driving off without paying for goods Insurance Fraud phil maccavity
  • Score: 10

2:36pm Wed 4 Jun 14

mr.southampton says...

wwozzer wrote:
It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely.
Exactly. this whole underhand industry is based on the DVLA selling access to it's database.

You can only hope that somehow they get pulled up by the European Court as selling personal info like this can't be right.
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely.[/p][/quote]Exactly. this whole underhand industry is based on the DVLA selling access to it's database. You can only hope that somehow they get pulled up by the European Court as selling personal info like this can't be right. mr.southampton
  • Score: 21

2:37pm Wed 4 Jun 14

spotburst says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
Why are people bothering to pay these charges? They not fines (strictly speaking, they're contractual charges) and, without a judgment from the county court, they aren't legally enforceable.
Even if Parking Eye issued proceedings, they'd only be entitled to recover the difference between what you should have paid in parking charges (not the 'fine' of £100 but the amount you should have paid for the time you were parked up) and what you actually paid.
I think I've received about 50 of their demands and on not one occasion have they issued a county court claim against me (although they do send letters threatening all sorts before they get bored and stop hassling me).
Parking Eye are con men plain and simple.
Don't pay them. Don't write to them. Ignore their letters.
Interesting point about these charges being legally unenforceable. If DE followed this line of enquiry for an article, that would make a very interesting story both locally and nationally. Come on DE, do some journalism! Get a legal opinion on not paying these 'fines' (or contractual charges) Pesumably if no one paid the levels of fines being imposed, wouldn't Parking Eye go out of business overnight?
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: Why are people bothering to pay these charges? They not fines (strictly speaking, they're contractual charges) and, without a judgment from the county court, they aren't legally enforceable. Even if Parking Eye issued proceedings, they'd only be entitled to recover the difference between what you should have paid in parking charges (not the 'fine' of £100 but the amount you should have paid for the time you were parked up) and what you actually paid. I think I've received about 50 of their demands and on not one occasion have they issued a county court claim against me (although they do send letters threatening all sorts before they get bored and stop hassling me). Parking Eye are con men plain and simple. Don't pay them. Don't write to them. Ignore their letters.[/p][/quote]Interesting point about these charges being legally unenforceable. If DE followed this line of enquiry for an article, that would make a very interesting story both locally and nationally. Come on DE, do some journalism! Get a legal opinion on not paying these 'fines' (or contractual charges) Pesumably if no one paid the levels of fines being imposed, wouldn't Parking Eye go out of business overnight? spotburst
  • Score: 66

2:45pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Jonny Maths says...

these are not "fines" and its unto a court to decide whether or not a legal contract was made to park under conditions. No court in the land would be able to state 100% that an airtight contract had been made..... Hence why oh why do people pay these charges !?!? Parking Eye have no right to demand money from people under the law and people have no obligation to pay up.... A signature is still king and there simply isn't one....
these are not "fines" and its unto a court to decide whether or not a legal contract was made to park under conditions. No court in the land would be able to state 100% that an airtight contract had been made..... Hence why oh why do people pay these charges !?!? Parking Eye have no right to demand money from people under the law and people have no obligation to pay up.... A signature is still king and there simply isn't one.... Jonny Maths
  • Score: 44

2:47pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Mike-mike says...

Simple rule...

If the fine is issued by the council or police, pay it!

If not, don't!

They'll send you loads of letters in the post demanding money but then will simply give up. They (99.9%) WON'T take you to court, nor can they lawfully enforce the rediculous penalty charge.

If you park on private land and there is a fee to park there, then yes, you should pay the fee, but they won't get anywhere by taking you to court for not paying a fine.

Perhaps if you were a repeat offender and they had loads of evidence that you repeatedly park on private land without paying then yes, you might get in trouble.

If you get a ticket in west quay retail park or other similar places like that (Europark??) then again, don't pay it.

But definitely pay council or police parking tickets (unless you were in the right and want to appeal).

Stand up for yourself and stop giving your hard earned cash to these greedy parking companies.
Simple rule... If the fine is issued by the council or police, pay it! If not, don't! They'll send you loads of letters in the post demanding money but then will simply give up. They (99.9%) WON'T take you to court, nor can they lawfully enforce the rediculous penalty charge. If you park on private land and there is a fee to park there, then yes, you should pay the fee, but they won't get anywhere by taking you to court for not paying a fine. Perhaps if you were a repeat offender and they had loads of evidence that you repeatedly park on private land without paying then yes, you might get in trouble. If you get a ticket in west quay retail park or other similar places like that (Europark??) then again, don't pay it. But definitely pay council or police parking tickets (unless you were in the right and want to appeal). Stand up for yourself and stop giving your hard earned cash to these greedy parking companies. Mike-mike
  • Score: 63

3:00pm Wed 4 Jun 14

dango says...

I presume the retailers at Leisure World pay for the services carried out by Parking Eye yet in the sixth paragraph of the story it says "It has also hit the footfall in Leisure World according to businesses on site".

Clearly not the best business move.
I presume the retailers at Leisure World pay for the services carried out by Parking Eye yet in the sixth paragraph of the story it says "It has also hit the footfall in Leisure World according to businesses on site". Clearly not the best business move. dango
  • Score: 28

3:42pm Wed 4 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Thankfully, there will soon be a brand new cinema opening soon so there will be no need to go here anymore. Feel sorry for the businesses in there though. I no longer go down the Town Quay after being sent a notice by Parking Eye in 2012. I didn't pay it. The only parking fines you have to be are those issued by the Council and the Police.
Thankfully, there will soon be a brand new cinema opening soon so there will be no need to go here anymore. Feel sorry for the businesses in there though. I no longer go down the Town Quay after being sent a notice by Parking Eye in 2012. I didn't pay it. The only parking fines you have to be are those issued by the Council and the Police. 03alpe01
  • Score: 19

3:42pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Norahbatty says...

How does a bank statement prove purchase if you paid cash?
How does a bank statement prove purchase if you paid cash? Norahbatty
  • Score: 5

3:45pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Norahbatty says...

How come parking eye are allowed to get away with this but they stopped wheel clamping surely it is the same
How come parking eye are allowed to get away with this but they stopped wheel clamping surely it is the same Norahbatty
  • Score: 9

3:49pm Wed 4 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Also, them not telling you that your vehicle is being photographed surely must violate some privacy act? If you want to attract business like this then you should at least make parking free in the evenings. How have other City Centre businesses done since the new 'lucrative' evening parking charges came in???
Also, them not telling you that your vehicle is being photographed surely must violate some privacy act? If you want to attract business like this then you should at least make parking free in the evenings. How have other City Centre businesses done since the new 'lucrative' evening parking charges came in??? 03alpe01
  • Score: 5

3:52pm Wed 4 Jun 14

townieboy says...

The posts which say DONT PAY are quiet right. They cant/wont inforce this fine but rely on people just paying up because the penalty notice looks like a Police notice. Most will simply see this and pay. If you just bin it you will get 2 or 3 letters treatening you with lawters and so forth just bin them too. They know they cant enforce this and will give up. Guess it depends how much bottle you have. YES i have thrown them away and heard no more so i know what im talking about.
The posts which say DONT PAY are quiet right. They cant/wont inforce this fine but rely on people just paying up because the penalty notice looks like a Police notice. Most will simply see this and pay. If you just bin it you will get 2 or 3 letters treatening you with lawters and so forth just bin them too. They know they cant enforce this and will give up. Guess it depends how much bottle you have. YES i have thrown them away and heard no more so i know what im talking about. townieboy
  • Score: 33

4:01pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Jonny Maths says...

townieboy wrote:
The posts which say DONT PAY are quiet right. They cant/wont inforce this fine but rely on people just paying up because the penalty notice looks like a Police notice. Most will simply see this and pay. If you just bin it you will get 2 or 3 letters treatening you with lawters and so forth just bin them too. They know they cant enforce this and will give up. Guess it depends how much bottle you have. YES i have thrown them away and heard no more so i know what im talking about.
if you do get a court notice , do not ignore it ,,,, but attend and ask the judge to confirm that the "charge" is in fact a "penalty" in law and hence not legal..... the case will then be awarded to the defendant. It all rests on the penalty being arbitrary and not linked to any derived genuine value for trespass.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: The posts which say DONT PAY are quiet right. They cant/wont inforce this fine but rely on people just paying up because the penalty notice looks like a Police notice. Most will simply see this and pay. If you just bin it you will get 2 or 3 letters treatening you with lawters and so forth just bin them too. They know they cant enforce this and will give up. Guess it depends how much bottle you have. YES i have thrown them away and heard no more so i know what im talking about.[/p][/quote]if you do get a court notice , do not ignore it ,,,, but attend and ask the judge to confirm that the "charge" is in fact a "penalty" in law and hence not legal..... the case will then be awarded to the defendant. It all rests on the penalty being arbitrary and not linked to any derived genuine value for trespass. Jonny Maths
  • Score: 16

4:07pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Stay away from the hovel and save your cash.
Stay away from the hovel and save your cash. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 16

4:14pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Hastagger says...

I'm disgusted that the DE don't have a picture of said people, in the car park, holding their fine, with a sad look on their face. This is the first thing you are taught at journalist school.
I'm disgusted that the DE don't have a picture of said people, in the car park, holding their fine, with a sad look on their face. This is the first thing you are taught at journalist school. Hastagger
  • Score: 31

4:32pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Frank28 says...

How can the those businesses support treating people in this way? They can be assured that everyone who's received a fine will not be returning, and they will be going elsewhere to spend their money.
How can the those businesses support treating people in this way? They can be assured that everyone who's received a fine will not be returning, and they will be going elsewhere to spend their money. Frank28
  • Score: 21

4:33pm Wed 4 Jun 14

RomseyKeith says...

That's another nail in the coffin of my Southampton night life. Thank goodness for other nearby cinemas. I used to enjoy Odeon when it first opened, but now we have so many others that there's no reason to limit yourself there.
Any car park with Parking Eye in charge of I avoid.
That's another nail in the coffin of my Southampton night life. Thank goodness for other nearby cinemas. I used to enjoy Odeon when it first opened, but now we have so many others that there's no reason to limit yourself there. Any car park with Parking Eye in charge of I avoid. RomseyKeith
  • Score: 20

5:01pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Nearly an OAP says...

Boycott the facilities in Leisure World and things will soon change for the better. If people stood together more in this country instead of just complaining these injustices would soon disappear.
Boycott the facilities in Leisure World and things will soon change for the better. If people stood together more in this country instead of just complaining these injustices would soon disappear. Nearly an OAP
  • Score: 30

5:24pm Wed 4 Jun 14

sotonbusdriver says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
Why are people bothering to pay these charges? They not fines (strictly speaking, they're contractual charges) and, without a judgment from the county court, they aren't legally enforceable.
Even if Parking Eye issued proceedings, they'd only be entitled to recover the difference between what you should have paid in parking charges (not the 'fine' of £100 but the amount you should have paid for the time you were parked up) and what you actually paid.
I think I've received about 50 of their demands and on not one occasion have they issued a county court claim against me (although they do send letters threatening all sorts before they get bored and stop hassling me).
Parking Eye are con men plain and simple.
Don't pay them. Don't write to them. Ignore their letters.
Further more to your comment, now people realise the con trick they are using, take your trade to other business in the area, after all there is enough competition wanting your genuine money...
If few people were actually spending money and patronising these business attached to the car park, they would soon make Parking Eye get off the car park as they cannot afford to pay the heavy rents and rates, when customers are no longer streaming through their doors....
Simple maths, drivers use your common sense and shop, eat and use a cinema elsewhere, after all a trip to POOLE TOWER PARK, wouldn't cost £100 in petrol and make a much nicer day trip than DIRTY OLD SOUTHAMPTON.....
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: Why are people bothering to pay these charges? They not fines (strictly speaking, they're contractual charges) and, without a judgment from the county court, they aren't legally enforceable. Even if Parking Eye issued proceedings, they'd only be entitled to recover the difference between what you should have paid in parking charges (not the 'fine' of £100 but the amount you should have paid for the time you were parked up) and what you actually paid. I think I've received about 50 of their demands and on not one occasion have they issued a county court claim against me (although they do send letters threatening all sorts before they get bored and stop hassling me). Parking Eye are con men plain and simple. Don't pay them. Don't write to them. Ignore their letters.[/p][/quote]Further more to your comment, now people realise the con trick they are using, take your trade to other business in the area, after all there is enough competition wanting your genuine money... If few people were actually spending money and patronising these business attached to the car park, they would soon make Parking Eye get off the car park as they cannot afford to pay the heavy rents and rates, when customers are no longer streaming through their doors.... Simple maths, drivers use your common sense and shop, eat and use a cinema elsewhere, after all a trip to POOLE TOWER PARK, wouldn't cost £100 in petrol and make a much nicer day trip than DIRTY OLD SOUTHAMPTON..... sotonbusdriver
  • Score: 1

5:26pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

go onto the Money Saving Expert website - there is a forum dedicated to this.

Essentially what parking eye are doing is sending you a SPECULATIVE INVOICE.

IT IS NOT a Penalty Charge Notice as would be issued by a Council or Enforcement Authority.

Parking Eye are a private company who have entered into an agreement with another Private company - Leisure World. They have no authority to issue a fine of any kind so they make the letter look like a Penalty Charge Notice.

1) Never ever ever confirm anything to them - they cannot make you do so and have no legal basis to compel you to confirm who was driving
2) refuse to pay their speculative invoice
3) inform them that they are harassing you and that you will start charging them for your time

they will soon leave you alone.
they are exploiting the ignorant and making a lot of money doing so - if even 2 or 3 in every ten speculative invoices that are issued get paid, they are making money.
The sooner something is done about this kind of thing the better - making money out of fear and other peoples ignorance is morally indefensible.

IF you do get taken to court, simply offer to reimburse a fair charge for the time your vehicle was parked there (which will rarely be above £10). They can't refuse it.
go onto the Money Saving Expert website - there is a forum dedicated to this. Essentially what parking eye are doing is sending you a SPECULATIVE INVOICE. IT IS NOT a Penalty Charge Notice as would be issued by a Council or Enforcement Authority. Parking Eye are a private company who have entered into an agreement with another Private company - Leisure World. They have no authority to issue a fine of any kind so they make the letter look like a Penalty Charge Notice. 1) Never ever ever confirm anything to them - they cannot make you do so and have no legal basis to compel you to confirm who was driving 2) refuse to pay their speculative invoice 3) inform them that they are harassing you and that you will start charging them for your time they will soon leave you alone. they are exploiting the ignorant and making a lot of money doing so - if even 2 or 3 in every ten speculative invoices that are issued get paid, they are making money. The sooner something is done about this kind of thing the better - making money out of fear and other peoples ignorance is morally indefensible. IF you do get taken to court, simply offer to reimburse a fair charge for the time your vehicle was parked there (which will rarely be above £10). They can't refuse it. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 23

5:31pm Wed 4 Jun 14

STRIPEY51 says...

These people are rip off rogues, I got a ticket some time ago in Totton from these people, I like a fool paid, but a lot of others who went to the same party
and also got caught just ignored them, they send you a few nasty letters full of threats, but after a while they give up, do not pay this company.
These people are rip off rogues, I got a ticket some time ago in Totton from these people, I like a fool paid, but a lot of others who went to the same party and also got caught just ignored them, they send you a few nasty letters full of threats, but after a while they give up, do not pay this company. STRIPEY51
  • Score: 10

5:34pm Wed 4 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Could some one tell me the legalities of this move by Easy Gym? There's a members car park which should be free but Easy Gym have put a time limit of two hours on it if you are there any longer they hit you with a £100 fine is that legal?
Could some one tell me the legalities of this move by Easy Gym? There's a members car park which should be free but Easy Gym have put a time limit of two hours on it if you are there any longer they hit you with a £100 fine is that legal? loosehead
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Wed 4 Jun 14

devil333 says...

yes we had a £100 fine as but payed £60 for a 33min say as i had a interview with Leisure world i have put another appeal to see if i can get my money back.
yes we had a £100 fine as but payed £60 for a 33min say as i had a interview with Leisure world i have put another appeal to see if i can get my money back. devil333
  • Score: 1

6:01pm Wed 4 Jun 14

CoMe On U sAiNtS says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.
How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free....
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.[/p][/quote]How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free.... CoMe On U sAiNtS
  • Score: 5

6:02pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Report them to police for attempt blackmail. The sum of £100 is greater than a "reasonable liquidated sum for breach of contract" and may in law amount to extortion. If enough do this the police will at least be obliged to interview the Company CEO. They don't like it up 'em.
Report them to police for attempt blackmail. The sum of £100 is greater than a "reasonable liquidated sum for breach of contract" and may in law amount to extortion. If enough do this the police will at least be obliged to interview the Company CEO. They don't like it up 'em. Dai Rear
  • Score: 10

6:03pm Wed 4 Jun 14

CoMe On U sAiNtS says...

devil333 wrote:
yes we had a £100 fine as but payed £60 for a 33min say as i had a interview with Leisure world i have put another appeal to see if i can get my money back.
Short Interview ;)
[quote][p][bold]devil333[/bold] wrote: yes we had a £100 fine as but payed £60 for a 33min say as i had a interview with Leisure world i have put another appeal to see if i can get my money back.[/p][/quote]Short Interview ;) CoMe On U sAiNtS
  • Score: 1

6:06pm Wed 4 Jun 14

CoMe On U sAiNtS says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Thankfully, there will soon be a brand new cinema opening soon so there will be no need to go here anymore. Feel sorry for the businesses in there though. I no longer go down the Town Quay after being sent a notice by Parking Eye in 2012. I didn't pay it. The only parking fines you have to be are those issued by the Council and the Police.
And you think parking there will be free? At least you can eat, watch a movie and not pay for parking there, I stopped using harbour lights and the other one down that way because you had to pay for parking...
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Thankfully, there will soon be a brand new cinema opening soon so there will be no need to go here anymore. Feel sorry for the businesses in there though. I no longer go down the Town Quay after being sent a notice by Parking Eye in 2012. I didn't pay it. The only parking fines you have to be are those issued by the Council and the Police.[/p][/quote]And you think parking there will be free? At least you can eat, watch a movie and not pay for parking there, I stopped using harbour lights and the other one down that way because you had to pay for parking... CoMe On U sAiNtS
  • Score: 9

6:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

CoMe On U sAiNtS says...

Why are people getting het up what is essentially free parking... If you don't use the places at Leisure World and don't want to pay, then park somewhere else.. It seems most of these comments are from people saying to boycott the place when they are actually giving THEIR CUSTOMERS FREE PARKING!! Hello! if you cant see the bloody monstrosity in the middle of the odeon shop you must be blind! If you go to ASK there is a pay point and sign right outside telling you its free... It seems there is no pleasing some people...
Why are people getting het up what is essentially free parking... If you don't use the places at Leisure World and don't want to pay, then park somewhere else.. It seems most of these comments are from people saying to boycott the place when they are actually giving THEIR CUSTOMERS FREE PARKING!! Hello! if you cant see the bloody monstrosity in the middle of the odeon shop you must be blind! If you go to ASK there is a pay point and sign right outside telling you its free... It seems there is no pleasing some people... CoMe On U sAiNtS
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Wed 4 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

http://www.honestjoh
n.co.uk/news/legal--
motoring-advice/2012
-08/500000-more-priv
ate-parking-tickets-
to-be-issued-next-ye
ar/

BPA actually said they planned to issue more tickets. I don't see how they can 'plan' to issue more tickets. They just happen. If they are 'planning' it then motorists are being targeted unfairly. As everyone has said before:

DO NOT PAY IT!!!
http://www.honestjoh n.co.uk/news/legal-- motoring-advice/2012 -08/500000-more-priv ate-parking-tickets- to-be-issued-next-ye ar/ BPA actually said they planned to issue more tickets. I don't see how they can 'plan' to issue more tickets. They just happen. If they are 'planning' it then motorists are being targeted unfairly. As everyone has said before: DO NOT PAY IT!!! 03alpe01
  • Score: 5

6:26pm Wed 4 Jun 14

manic75 says...

Oh well, it's clear that Southampton is closed for business. Whether it be these charges, or the council night time charges, it's clear to me that Southampton is not an attractive destination to spend my hard earned cash. Despite living nearby, I will no longer (as a matter of principle) use Southampton.
Oh well, it's clear that Southampton is closed for business. Whether it be these charges, or the council night time charges, it's clear to me that Southampton is not an attractive destination to spend my hard earned cash. Despite living nearby, I will no longer (as a matter of principle) use Southampton. manic75
  • Score: 13

7:27pm Wed 4 Jun 14

wknight says...

Ask your self this question why have Leisure World and the other business implemented this system, because CUSTOMERS CAN'T PARK!!

Yes the car park is now empty, but its been full of shoppers using the free facility and who can blame them when its so expensive to park in West Quay and there is no Park & Ride

I almost missed my film one day because it was full of shoppers, I had to wait for one of them to put all their bags in the car so I could use the space.

Blame the council, we need affordable parking in town, they are the ones really making the money charging you £8 to park your car all day
Ask your self this question why have Leisure World and the other business implemented this system, because CUSTOMERS CAN'T PARK!! Yes the car park is now empty, but its been full of shoppers using the free facility and who can blame them when its so expensive to park in West Quay and there is no Park & Ride I almost missed my film one day because it was full of shoppers, I had to wait for one of them to put all their bags in the car so I could use the space. Blame the council, we need affordable parking in town, they are the ones really making the money charging you £8 to park your car all day wknight
  • Score: 10

8:45pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

CoMe On U sAiNtS wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.
How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free....
Because people don't know about it,will get caught out and will then not return!! Pretty obvious!!
[quote][p][bold]CoMe On U sAiNtS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.[/p][/quote]How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free....[/p][/quote]Because people don't know about it,will get caught out and will then not return!! Pretty obvious!! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 4

8:48pm Wed 4 Jun 14

AndYourPointIs says...

who exactly is being targeted? by the docks, surrounded by hotels, boasts all the things that attract those people passing through with cruise tickets and staff stop overs when the liners are in dock ... those people are most likely the targeted market ... They won't bother to look around for anywhere else to park not knowing the area ... ! they may be deceitful money grabbing wotnots but they ain't daft :)
who exactly is being targeted? by the docks, surrounded by hotels, boasts all the things that attract those people passing through with cruise tickets and staff stop overs when the liners are in dock ... those people are most likely the targeted market ... They won't bother to look around for anywhere else to park not knowing the area ... ! they may be deceitful money grabbing wotnots but they ain't daft :) AndYourPointIs
  • Score: 5

9:02pm Wed 4 Jun 14

devil333 says...

next week on watchdog Parking Charge the lies and tactics they use to rip people off MUST WATCH PEOPLE
next week on watchdog Parking Charge the lies and tactics they use to rip people off MUST WATCH PEOPLE devil333
  • Score: 4

9:33pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Jonny Maths says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
go onto the Money Saving Expert website - there is a forum dedicated to this.

Essentially what parking eye are doing is sending you a SPECULATIVE INVOICE.

IT IS NOT a Penalty Charge Notice as would be issued by a Council or Enforcement Authority.

Parking Eye are a private company who have entered into an agreement with another Private company - Leisure World. They have no authority to issue a fine of any kind so they make the letter look like a Penalty Charge Notice.

1) Never ever ever confirm anything to them - they cannot make you do so and have no legal basis to compel you to confirm who was driving
2) refuse to pay their speculative invoice
3) inform them that they are harassing you and that you will start charging them for your time

they will soon leave you alone.
they are exploiting the ignorant and making a lot of money doing so - if even 2 or 3 in every ten speculative invoices that are issued get paid, they are making money.
The sooner something is done about this kind of thing the better - making money out of fear and other peoples ignorance is morally indefensible.

IF you do get taken to court, simply offer to reimburse a fair charge for the time your vehicle was parked there (which will rarely be above £10). They can't refuse it.
totally and utterly spot on..... what this guy said....
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: go onto the Money Saving Expert website - there is a forum dedicated to this. Essentially what parking eye are doing is sending you a SPECULATIVE INVOICE. IT IS NOT a Penalty Charge Notice as would be issued by a Council or Enforcement Authority. Parking Eye are a private company who have entered into an agreement with another Private company - Leisure World. They have no authority to issue a fine of any kind so they make the letter look like a Penalty Charge Notice. 1) Never ever ever confirm anything to them - they cannot make you do so and have no legal basis to compel you to confirm who was driving 2) refuse to pay their speculative invoice 3) inform them that they are harassing you and that you will start charging them for your time they will soon leave you alone. they are exploiting the ignorant and making a lot of money doing so - if even 2 or 3 in every ten speculative invoices that are issued get paid, they are making money. The sooner something is done about this kind of thing the better - making money out of fear and other peoples ignorance is morally indefensible. IF you do get taken to court, simply offer to reimburse a fair charge for the time your vehicle was parked there (which will rarely be above £10). They can't refuse it.[/p][/quote]totally and utterly spot on..... what this guy said.... Jonny Maths
  • Score: 10

10:50pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Jim_Springbourne says...

Ok, if you got a Parking Charge Notice from this mob, listen up carefully.
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First of all, the law changed in October 2012 (at the time that clamping on private land was made illegal), so Parking Eye can legally chase the registered keeper of the car for payment. ***DO NOT IGNORE***, you will most likely face a court claim in time if you do, as PE are very litigious.
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Do not fear, however, as this is easy to fend off. This is a two stage process.
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First you appeal to PE. They will reject the appeal, but are obliged to give you a code enabling you to appeal to the Parking On Private Land Appeals service (POPLA).
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You appeal to them on legal grounds (they do not do mitigation!), briefly, the amount they are demanding is a PENALTY and not a genuine pre-estimate of their losses, amongst others.
Appeals made to POPLA on this basis are almost without exception upheld. Indeed, Parking Eye don't even bother to defend appeals to POPLA on this basis nowadays.

Do not go through the process alone however - go to the Private parking forums on Money Saving Expert web site - http://forums.moneys
avingexpert.com/foru
mdisplay.php?f=163 and carefully **read the Guides to Newbies** at the top of that forum and it will tell you what you need to know. There are people there who can help you if you're not 100% sure.
Ok, if you got a Parking Charge Notice from this mob, listen up carefully. . First of all, the law changed in October 2012 (at the time that clamping on private land was made illegal), so Parking Eye can legally chase the registered keeper of the car for payment. ***DO NOT IGNORE***, you will most likely face a court claim in time if you do, as PE are very litigious. . Do not fear, however, as this is easy to fend off. This is a two stage process. . First you appeal to PE. They will reject the appeal, but are obliged to give you a code enabling you to appeal to the Parking On Private Land Appeals service (POPLA). . You appeal to them on legal grounds (they do not do mitigation!), briefly, the amount they are demanding is a PENALTY and not a genuine pre-estimate of their losses, amongst others. Appeals made to POPLA on this basis are almost without exception upheld. Indeed, Parking Eye don't even bother to defend appeals to POPLA on this basis nowadays. Do not go through the process alone however - go to the Private parking forums on Money Saving Expert web site - http://forums.moneys avingexpert.com/foru mdisplay.php?f=163 and carefully **read the Guides to Newbies** at the top of that forum and it will tell you what you need to know. There are people there who can help you if you're not 100% sure. Jim_Springbourne
  • Score: 7

10:53pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Jim_Springbourne says...

Just to add - you would NOT need to go to the Small Claims court, you can get this killed at the POPLA stage if done properly.
Just to add - you would NOT need to go to the Small Claims court, you can get this killed at the POPLA stage if done properly. Jim_Springbourne
  • Score: 3

11:01pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Symnz says...

The good thing about this whole 'automated' system is that they don't have proof you actually were parked in there.

If you get one of these tickets you must reply. The laws changed recently regarding this.

Appeal saying your engine was running and that you weren't 'parked' so the >invoice< is invalid.
The good thing about this whole 'automated' system is that they don't have proof you actually were parked in there. If you get one of these tickets you must reply. The laws changed recently regarding this. Appeal saying your engine was running and that you weren't 'parked' so the >invoice< is invalid. Symnz
  • Score: 0

11:03pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Symnz says...

Another alternative with this is covering your plate on the way in. As it is indeed a private road, you do not need plates on display.

I'd demonstrate my points but I actually have no need to ever park in there.
Another alternative with this is covering your plate on the way in. As it is indeed a private road, you do not need plates on display. I'd demonstrate my points but I actually have no need to ever park in there. Symnz
  • Score: 4

11:10pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Rhombus says...

Its funny. The same people moaning now are the same people who used to claim thry didnt see the great big yellow box and got a fine for driving through before. People constantly need their hands held.
Its funny. The same people moaning now are the same people who used to claim thry didnt see the great big yellow box and got a fine for driving through before. People constantly need their hands held. Rhombus
  • Score: 2

12:10am Thu 5 Jun 14

Shizok123 says...

!!! DO NOT IGNORE THIS FINE !!!

Just last week I had a letter from County Court asking me to pay £100 + £75 extra. People asking you to ignore the this fine but you cant ignore County Court... dont be stupied. I lost extra £115 only because I belived to idiots which are giving stupied tips. Pay £60 when you still can and watch out because parkingeye got those signs in other places to, for example car park in the docs behind Margaritha night club. This was romantic spot for couples at night to watch the ships etc. Not any more. I paid over £175 for 25 minutes over there. Parkingeye worse than clamping companies which were stopped by govenment...
!!! DO NOT IGNORE THIS FINE !!! Just last week I had a letter from County Court asking me to pay £100 + £75 extra. People asking you to ignore the this fine but you cant ignore County Court... dont be stupied. I lost extra £115 only because I belived to idiots which are giving stupied tips. Pay £60 when you still can and watch out because parkingeye got those signs in other places to, for example car park in the docs behind Margaritha night club. This was romantic spot for couples at night to watch the ships etc. Not any more. I paid over £175 for 25 minutes over there. Parkingeye worse than clamping companies which were stopped by govenment... Shizok123
  • Score: -2

12:29am Thu 5 Jun 14

metalmunki81 says...

I can't imagine the businesses in leisure world are keen on this as it's going to decimate their business. The Odeon is already on its arse as people don't get a decent quality vs. cost experience there. It's pure profiteering on the part of the parking company, as otherwise they'd use a more obvious system (eg pay and display, or ticket/barrier system like West Quay). It's clear they make their money from trapping the unsuspecting and frightening them into paying without question.

The council needs to step in and stop this, pronto.
I can't imagine the businesses in leisure world are keen on this as it's going to decimate their business. The Odeon is already on its arse as people don't get a decent quality vs. cost experience there. It's pure profiteering on the part of the parking company, as otherwise they'd use a more obvious system (eg pay and display, or ticket/barrier system like West Quay). It's clear they make their money from trapping the unsuspecting and frightening them into paying without question. The council needs to step in and stop this, pronto. metalmunki81
  • Score: 3

6:25am Thu 5 Jun 14

townieboy says...

devil333 wrote:
yes we had a £100 fine as but payed £60 for a 33min say as i had a interview with Leisure world i have put another appeal to see if i can get my money back.
You fell into the trap of thinking you were getting a bargain this is a scam to get you to pay. Shame you didnt check on the net first as there are loads of people telling you to ignore these Private Eye fines. As i said they are crafty as it looks like a genuine police fine.
[quote][p][bold]devil333[/bold] wrote: yes we had a £100 fine as but payed £60 for a 33min say as i had a interview with Leisure world i have put another appeal to see if i can get my money back.[/p][/quote]You fell into the trap of thinking you were getting a bargain this is a scam to get you to pay. Shame you didnt check on the net first as there are loads of people telling you to ignore these Private Eye fines. As i said they are crafty as it looks like a genuine police fine. townieboy
  • Score: 2

6:49am Thu 5 Jun 14

sal45 says...

How does this system work if you are picking up/ dropping off? And taxis? Do you get a fine if you are there for 5 mins or so without entering any details?
How does this system work if you are picking up/ dropping off? And taxis? Do you get a fine if you are there for 5 mins or so without entering any details? sal45
  • Score: 1

7:04am Thu 5 Jun 14

The Grinch says...

Firstly, I think that car parking charges are excessive and are just money making enterprises for Councils and Third Parties.

I believe excessive charges drive people away from Southampton City Centre and the businesses therein.

I also believe they should have left Leisure World alone - i.e. free parking after 12.00, which was one of the few good things in Southampton. This will now stop me coming in to Southampton so often.

The machines where you have to put a registration number in are a pain in the butt.

However, we saw the ticket machines arrive (and signs) weeks before they went live. There can't be any excuse for not seeing this. Also, the hut at the front disappeared too. I can't accept that people did not realise.
Firstly, I think that car parking charges are excessive and are just money making enterprises for Councils and Third Parties. I believe excessive charges drive people away from Southampton City Centre and the businesses therein. I also believe they should have left Leisure World alone - i.e. free parking after 12.00, which was one of the few good things in Southampton. This will now stop me coming in to Southampton so often. The machines where you have to put a registration number in are a pain in the butt. However, we saw the ticket machines arrive (and signs) weeks before they went live. There can't be any excuse for not seeing this. Also, the hut at the front disappeared too. I can't accept that people did not realise. The Grinch
  • Score: 5

7:16am Thu 5 Jun 14

MyEchoAccount says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
Why are people bothering to pay these charges? They not fines (strictly speaking, they're contractual charges) and, without a judgment from the county court, they aren't legally enforceable.
Even if Parking Eye issued proceedings, they'd only be entitled to recover the difference between what you should have paid in parking charges (not the 'fine' of £100 but the amount you should have paid for the time you were parked up) and what you actually paid.
I think I've received about 50 of their demands and on not one occasion have they issued a county court claim against me (although they do send letters threatening all sorts before they get bored and stop hassling me).
Parking Eye are con men plain and simple.
Don't pay them. Don't write to them. Ignore their letters.
I totally agree and have my own Small Claims Court case going on with ParkingEye at present - anyone who receives a parking charge notice from these cowboys should read this forum IMMEDIATELY upon receipt http://forums.moneys
avingexpert.com/foru
mdisplay.php?f=163
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: Why are people bothering to pay these charges? They not fines (strictly speaking, they're contractual charges) and, without a judgment from the county court, they aren't legally enforceable. Even if Parking Eye issued proceedings, they'd only be entitled to recover the difference between what you should have paid in parking charges (not the 'fine' of £100 but the amount you should have paid for the time you were parked up) and what you actually paid. I think I've received about 50 of their demands and on not one occasion have they issued a county court claim against me (although they do send letters threatening all sorts before they get bored and stop hassling me). Parking Eye are con men plain and simple. Don't pay them. Don't write to them. Ignore their letters.[/p][/quote]I totally agree and have my own Small Claims Court case going on with ParkingEye at present - anyone who receives a parking charge notice from these cowboys should read this forum IMMEDIATELY upon receipt http://forums.moneys avingexpert.com/foru mdisplay.php?f=163 MyEchoAccount
  • Score: 4

8:05am Thu 5 Jun 14

CoMe On U sAiNtS says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
CoMe On U sAiNtS wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.
How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free....
Because people don't know about it,will get caught out and will then not return!! Pretty obvious!!
Parking has always been free for people using the site, it still is free for people using the site, there are signs still telling people it is free to use the site, there are points inside for customers to enter their registrations when using the site, do people really need to be spoon fed?!
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CoMe On U sAiNtS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.[/p][/quote]How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free....[/p][/quote]Because people don't know about it,will get caught out and will then not return!! Pretty obvious!![/p][/quote]Parking has always been free for people using the site, it still is free for people using the site, there are signs still telling people it is free to use the site, there are points inside for customers to enter their registrations when using the site, do people really need to be spoon fed?! CoMe On U sAiNtS
  • Score: 5

8:22am Thu 5 Jun 14

Whiteley Man says...

Parking Eye are only allowed to be reimbursed for a genuine loss. That's the law. Otherwise it's a penalty charge, which is illegal. Don't ignore the notice, don't say who was driving but tell them to break down in detail what the pre estimate of genuine loss is. If there were spaces in the car park when you left, and you can provide evidence of spending, they will lose a case every time. It's a con. Don't pay.
Parking Eye are only allowed to be reimbursed for a genuine loss. That's the law. Otherwise it's a penalty charge, which is illegal. Don't ignore the notice, don't say who was driving but tell them to break down in detail what the pre estimate of genuine loss is. If there were spaces in the car park when you left, and you can provide evidence of spending, they will lose a case every time. It's a con. Don't pay. Whiteley Man
  • Score: 1

8:30am Thu 5 Jun 14

Donald2000 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Report them to police for attempt blackmail. The sum of £100 is greater than a &quot;reasonable liquidated sum for breach of contract" and may in law amount to extortion. If enough do this the police will at least be obliged to interview the Company CEO. They don't like it up 'em.
Your knowledge of the law is somewhat sketchy, it seems.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Report them to police for attempt blackmail. The sum of £100 is greater than a "reasonable liquidated sum for breach of contract" and may in law amount to extortion. If enough do this the police will at least be obliged to interview the Company CEO. They don't like it up 'em.[/p][/quote]Your knowledge of the law is somewhat sketchy, it seems. Donald2000
  • Score: -1

8:35am Thu 5 Jun 14

southamptonadi says...

phil maccavity wrote:
MrsCharlotteH wrote:
wwozzer wrote:
It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely.
anyone can request information from the DVLA. they do not sell it.
DVLA will only give out Registration details if there is 'Reasonable Cause' eg
Accident
Parking Fines
Abandoned Vehicle
Driving off without paying for goods
Insurance Fraud
Phil is right, and Charlotte your wrong, every time you ask they sell you the info for £2.50
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsCharlotteH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: It's about time the DVLA stopped selling our details to scum parking companies......or actually stopped selling our details completely.[/p][/quote]anyone can request information from the DVLA. they do not sell it.[/p][/quote]DVLA will only give out Registration details if there is 'Reasonable Cause' eg Accident Parking Fines Abandoned Vehicle Driving off without paying for goods Insurance Fraud[/p][/quote]Phil is right, and Charlotte your wrong, every time you ask they sell you the info for £2.50 southamptonadi
  • Score: 1

10:03am Thu 5 Jun 14

chris_ja says...

townieboy wrote:
The posts which say DONT PAY are quiet right. They cant/wont inforce this fine but rely on people just paying up because the penalty notice looks like a Police notice. Most will simply see this and pay. If you just bin it you will get 2 or 3 letters treatening you with lawters and so forth just bin them too. They know they cant enforce this and will give up. Guess it depends how much bottle you have. YES i have thrown them away and heard no more so i know what im talking about.
Wrong. Technically they CAN enforce this via the small claims court should they choose to (as it is a 'breach of contract' if you don't pay) however they often don't waste the time and energy in doing so. So if you want to bin the notices it depends on your appetite for risk, if they do choose to make an example of you, once it goes to court your £60 could quickly hit £175, then over £300 if you don't pay and choose to go to court due to their costs and expenses. Just look at Shizok123's post below - exactly that happened to them already.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: The posts which say DONT PAY are quiet right. They cant/wont inforce this fine but rely on people just paying up because the penalty notice looks like a Police notice. Most will simply see this and pay. If you just bin it you will get 2 or 3 letters treatening you with lawters and so forth just bin them too. They know they cant enforce this and will give up. Guess it depends how much bottle you have. YES i have thrown them away and heard no more so i know what im talking about.[/p][/quote]Wrong. Technically they CAN enforce this via the small claims court should they choose to (as it is a 'breach of contract' if you don't pay) however they often don't waste the time and energy in doing so. So if you want to bin the notices it depends on your appetite for risk, if they do choose to make an example of you, once it goes to court your £60 could quickly hit £175, then over £300 if you don't pay and choose to go to court due to their costs and expenses. Just look at Shizok123's post below - exactly that happened to them already. chris_ja
  • Score: 1

11:17am Thu 5 Jun 14

FreemantleJamez says...

wknight wrote:
Ask your self this question why have Leisure World and the other business implemented this system, because CUSTOMERS CAN'T PARK!!

Yes the car park is now empty, but its been full of shoppers using the free facility and who can blame them when its so expensive to park in West Quay and there is no Park &amp; Ride

I almost missed my film one day because it was full of shoppers, I had to wait for one of them to put all their bags in the car so I could use the space.

Blame the council, we need affordable parking in town, they are the ones really making the money charging you £8 to park your car all day
I wouldn't say parking in West Quay was expensive, you can park all day for £5 which is a bargain compared to Gunwharf Quays in Portsmouth!
[quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: Ask your self this question why have Leisure World and the other business implemented this system, because CUSTOMERS CAN'T PARK!! Yes the car park is now empty, but its been full of shoppers using the free facility and who can blame them when its so expensive to park in West Quay and there is no Park & Ride I almost missed my film one day because it was full of shoppers, I had to wait for one of them to put all their bags in the car so I could use the space. Blame the council, we need affordable parking in town, they are the ones really making the money charging you £8 to park your car all day[/p][/quote]I wouldn't say parking in West Quay was expensive, you can park all day for £5 which is a bargain compared to Gunwharf Quays in Portsmouth! FreemantleJamez
  • Score: -1

12:05pm Thu 5 Jun 14

S!monOn says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
CoMe On U sAiNtS wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.
How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free....
Because people don't know about it,will get caught out and will then not return!! Pretty obvious!!
Life isn't free and if something appears cheap... check the small print.

Why are there so many individuals who aren't awake to the real world we live in now?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CoMe On U sAiNtS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.[/p][/quote]How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free....[/p][/quote]Because people don't know about it,will get caught out and will then not return!! Pretty obvious!![/p][/quote]Life isn't free and if something appears cheap... check the small print. Why are there so many individuals who aren't awake to the real world we live in now? S!monOn
  • Score: 3

3:11pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Jim_Springbourne says...

Jim_Springbourne wrote:
Ok, if you got a Parking Charge Notice from this mob, listen up carefully.
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First of all, the law changed in October 2012 (at the time that clamping on private land was made illegal), so Parking Eye can legally chase the registered keeper of the car for payment. ***DO NOT IGNORE***, you will most likely face a court claim in time if you do, as PE are very litigious.
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Do not fear, however, as this is easy to fend off. This is a two stage process.
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First you appeal to PE. They will reject the appeal, but are obliged to give you a code enabling you to appeal to the Parking On Private Land Appeals service (POPLA).
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You appeal to them on legal grounds (they do not do mitigation!), briefly, the amount they are demanding is a PENALTY and not a genuine pre-estimate of their losses, amongst others.
Appeals made to POPLA on this basis are almost without exception upheld. Indeed, Parking Eye don't even bother to defend appeals to POPLA on this basis nowadays.

Do not go through the process alone however - go to the Private parking forums on Money Saving Expert web site - http://forums.moneys

avingexpert.com/foru

mdisplay.php?f=163 and carefully **read the Guides to Newbies** at the top of that forum and it will tell you what you need to know. There are people there who can help you if you're not 100% sure.
Even better - the situation with the land (as I understand from the link below) on which the car park sits means that Parking Eye can't even enforce keeper liability anyway, as it is "not relevent land" under the 2012 Act that covers keeper liability.

Read here:
http://forums.moneys
avingexpert.com/show
thread.php?t=4987510
[quote][p][bold]Jim_Springbourne[/bold] wrote: Ok, if you got a Parking Charge Notice from this mob, listen up carefully. . First of all, the law changed in October 2012 (at the time that clamping on private land was made illegal), so Parking Eye can legally chase the registered keeper of the car for payment. ***DO NOT IGNORE***, you will most likely face a court claim in time if you do, as PE are very litigious. . Do not fear, however, as this is easy to fend off. This is a two stage process. . First you appeal to PE. They will reject the appeal, but are obliged to give you a code enabling you to appeal to the Parking On Private Land Appeals service (POPLA). . You appeal to them on legal grounds (they do not do mitigation!), briefly, the amount they are demanding is a PENALTY and not a genuine pre-estimate of their losses, amongst others. Appeals made to POPLA on this basis are almost without exception upheld. Indeed, Parking Eye don't even bother to defend appeals to POPLA on this basis nowadays. Do not go through the process alone however - go to the Private parking forums on Money Saving Expert web site - http://forums.moneys avingexpert.com/foru mdisplay.php?f=163 and carefully **read the Guides to Newbies** at the top of that forum and it will tell you what you need to know. There are people there who can help you if you're not 100% sure.[/p][/quote]Even better - the situation with the land (as I understand from the link below) on which the car park sits means that Parking Eye can't even enforce keeper liability anyway, as it is "not relevent land" under the 2012 Act that covers keeper liability. Read here: http://forums.moneys avingexpert.com/show thread.php?t=4987510 Jim_Springbourne
  • Score: 1

11:44am Fri 6 Jun 14

CoMe On U sAiNtS says...

S!monOn wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
CoMe On U sAiNtS wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.
How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free....
Because people don't know about it,will get caught out and will then not return!! Pretty obvious!!
Life isn't free and if something appears cheap... check the small print.

Why are there so many individuals who aren't awake to the real world we live in now?
Sorry, that doesn't actually make any sense in the context of the discussion... ""Life isn't free and if something appears cheap... check the small print. Why are there so many individuals who aren't awake to the real world we live in now?""
What isn't free? check what small print..?? We are talking about a company charging non patrons to park, whilst ensuring spaces are available "Free Of Charge" for their actual customer, not shoppers in town, not office workers in town, not people visiting the IOW...
Maybe if people learnt to stop and read in the first place they wouldn't be getting unnecessary fines, It's a simple enough concept, people have been parking cars in car parks for years and managing to follow simple instructions... Not really a difficult concept is it?!
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CoMe On U sAiNtS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: Totally stupid idea. It will hurt trade and the services here will suffer. THe companies involved need to get together and get this system removed and returned to how it was.[/p][/quote]How will it hurt businesses there? Customer park for free....[/p][/quote]Because people don't know about it,will get caught out and will then not return!! Pretty obvious!![/p][/quote]Life isn't free and if something appears cheap... check the small print. Why are there so many individuals who aren't awake to the real world we live in now?[/p][/quote]Sorry, that doesn't actually make any sense in the context of the discussion... ""Life isn't free and if something appears cheap... check the small print. Why are there so many individuals who aren't awake to the real world we live in now?"" What isn't free? check what small print..?? We are talking about a company charging non patrons to park, whilst ensuring spaces are available "Free Of Charge" for their actual customer, not shoppers in town, not office workers in town, not people visiting the IOW... Maybe if people learnt to stop and read in the first place they wouldn't be getting unnecessary fines, It's a simple enough concept, people have been parking cars in car parks for years and managing to follow simple instructions... Not really a difficult concept is it?! CoMe On U sAiNtS
  • Score: 1

12:04pm Fri 6 Jun 14

CoMe On U sAiNtS says...

sal45 wrote:
How does this system work if you are picking up/ dropping off? And taxis? Do you get a fine if you are there for 5 mins or so without entering any details?
I think its like the other places they manage, usually its 15mins to 30mins depending on the agreement they have with the land owners.. there should be a wait/drop off time zone for free, best bet is to ask them inside if it doesn't state it on the signs
[quote][p][bold]sal45[/bold] wrote: How does this system work if you are picking up/ dropping off? And taxis? Do you get a fine if you are there for 5 mins or so without entering any details?[/p][/quote]I think its like the other places they manage, usually its 15mins to 30mins depending on the agreement they have with the land owners.. there should be a wait/drop off time zone for free, best bet is to ask them inside if it doesn't state it on the signs CoMe On U sAiNtS
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Fri 6 Jun 14

CoMe On U sAiNtS says...

FreemantleJamez wrote:
wknight wrote:
Ask your self this question why have Leisure World and the other business implemented this system, because CUSTOMERS CAN'T PARK!!

Yes the car park is now empty, but its been full of shoppers using the free facility and who can blame them when its so expensive to park in West Quay and there is no Park &amp; Ride

I almost missed my film one day because it was full of shoppers, I had to wait for one of them to put all their bags in the car so I could use the space.

Blame the council, we need affordable parking in town, they are the ones really making the money charging you £8 to park your car all day
I wouldn't say parking in West Quay was expensive, you can park all day for £5 which is a bargain compared to Gunwharf Quays in Portsmouth!
I'm with you! The amount of times we've not been able to park when there has been a big film out, or we've missed the beginning of our film. One time it was because of the fireworks at Mayflower! If it preserves space for us genuine customers I'm all for it. If I go to Ikea I use their car park and same for West Quay, but thats because its easier (and free if you spend over £20 quid in Ikea!)
Unfortunately people need to be spoon fed these days and then refuse to take responsibility for their actions..
[quote][p][bold]FreemantleJamez[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: Ask your self this question why have Leisure World and the other business implemented this system, because CUSTOMERS CAN'T PARK!! Yes the car park is now empty, but its been full of shoppers using the free facility and who can blame them when its so expensive to park in West Quay and there is no Park & Ride I almost missed my film one day because it was full of shoppers, I had to wait for one of them to put all their bags in the car so I could use the space. Blame the council, we need affordable parking in town, they are the ones really making the money charging you £8 to park your car all day[/p][/quote]I wouldn't say parking in West Quay was expensive, you can park all day for £5 which is a bargain compared to Gunwharf Quays in Portsmouth![/p][/quote]I'm with you! The amount of times we've not been able to park when there has been a big film out, or we've missed the beginning of our film. One time it was because of the fireworks at Mayflower! If it preserves space for us genuine customers I'm all for it. If I go to Ikea I use their car park and same for West Quay, but thats because its easier (and free if you spend over £20 quid in Ikea!) Unfortunately people need to be spoon fed these days and then refuse to take responsibility for their actions.. CoMe On U sAiNtS
  • Score: 2

5:11pm Fri 6 Jun 14

From the sidelines says...

Symnz wrote:
Another alternative with this is covering your plate on the way in. As it is indeed a private road, you do not need plates on display.

I'd demonstrate my points but I actually have no need to ever park in there.
Are you sure about that? It's a road to which the public has access, I think therefore the Road Traffic Act still applies.
[quote][p][bold]Symnz[/bold] wrote: Another alternative with this is covering your plate on the way in. As it is indeed a private road, you do not need plates on display. I'd demonstrate my points but I actually have no need to ever park in there.[/p][/quote]Are you sure about that? It's a road to which the public has access, I think therefore the Road Traffic Act still applies. From the sidelines
  • Score: 1

5:52pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

From the sidelines wrote:
Symnz wrote:
Another alternative with this is covering your plate on the way in. As it is indeed a private road, you do not need plates on display.

I'd demonstrate my points but I actually have no need to ever park in there.
Are you sure about that? It's a road to which the public has access, I think therefore the Road Traffic Act still applies.
Some, but not all of the RTA applies to private roads to which the public have access. The most important bit is that motor vehicles should be 3rd partry insured even if SORNED. It is possible to be breathylised as well.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Symnz[/bold] wrote: Another alternative with this is covering your plate on the way in. As it is indeed a private road, you do not need plates on display. I'd demonstrate my points but I actually have no need to ever park in there.[/p][/quote]Are you sure about that? It's a road to which the public has access, I think therefore the Road Traffic Act still applies.[/p][/quote]Some, but not all of the RTA applies to private roads to which the public have access. The most important bit is that motor vehicles should be 3rd partry insured even if SORNED. It is possible to be breathylised as well. Inform Al
  • Score: 1

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