School and council staff to hold strike ballot in bitter dispute over pay

Teachers on a protest march in Southampton during strike action

Teachers on a protest march in Southampton during strike action

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THOUSANDS of council staff and school workers could go on strike next month.

Up to 9,000 workers across Hampshire could walk out as part of a bitter dispute over pay.

Unions have rejected a pay offer from the Local Government Association (LGA), and will ballot their members this week.

They say council staff and schools support workers saw a pay-freeze between 2009 and 2012 and a one per cent increase last year.

Last year the three unions representing the workers – Unite, Unison and the GMB – submitted a pay claim asking that the Government rubberstamp a minimum increase of £1 an hour for workers, many of whom they say are only just above the national minimum wage.

Since then the LGA has come back with an offer of a one per cent increase, and slightly more for workers on the lowest pay brackets, which would come out of Government coffers.

But union bosses labelled the offer “insulting”, and most members have rejected the offer.

That means up to 9,000 workers at Hampshire County Council, Southampton, Fareham, Eastleigh and the New Forest will now decide whether to strike or not.

Although no fixed date has been set, July 10 is a possible date for strike action to take place across the country.

Ian Woodland, Unite’s political officer for Hampshire and the South East, said: “We want to address the low pay issue in Hampshire and the public sector as a whole.

“It’s a big concern to us because we found many more people having their money topped up with benefits and having to use food banks because they are stuck in wage poverty.”

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11:04am Mon 9 Jun 14

Jonny Maths says...

rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth .... Jonny Maths
  • Score: 6

11:10am Mon 9 Jun 14

Woolston ollie says...

I dont think we would notice if the council workers went on strike.
I dont think we would notice if the council workers went on strike. Woolston ollie
  • Score: 6

11:28am Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
I dont think we would notice if the council workers went on strike.
I bet you would !!
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: I dont think we would notice if the council workers went on strike.[/p][/quote]I bet you would !! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

11:43am Mon 9 Jun 14

IanUnite says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is? IanUnite
  • Score: 3

11:45am Mon 9 Jun 14

SilvanDryad says...

I recall the refuse strike; the roads were filthy (people still dropped litter even though they knew no-one would be sweeping it up).
I recall the refuse strike; the roads were filthy (people still dropped litter even though they knew no-one would be sweeping it up). SilvanDryad
  • Score: 3

12:17pm Mon 9 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Out source council work if you care about the cost of living.

Poor teachers, they need more holidays and a shorter working week and retire at 40.
Out source council work if you care about the cost of living. Poor teachers, they need more holidays and a shorter working week and retire at 40. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -10

12:39pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Jonny Maths says...

IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
[quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ? Jonny Maths
  • Score: 5

1:01pm Mon 9 Jun 14

southy says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy. southy
  • Score: -11

1:04pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Out source council work if you care about the cost of living.

Poor teachers, they need more holidays and a shorter working week and retire at 40.
Yes outsource eveything as was done under the Tories with grass verge cutting, cemetary maintenance .......... and the first one to mpoan about it not being done properly ....... YOU ARE.
.
A typical Tory who knows the price of everything and the Value of Nothing
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Out source council work if you care about the cost of living. Poor teachers, they need more holidays and a shorter working week and retire at 40.[/p][/quote]Yes outsource eveything as was done under the Tories with grass verge cutting, cemetary maintenance .......... and the first one to mpoan about it not being done properly ....... YOU ARE. . A typical Tory who knows the price of everything and the Value of Nothing Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

1:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Jonny Maths says...

southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though. Jonny Maths
  • Score: 10

2:23pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned. Torchie1
  • Score: 9

2:37pm Mon 9 Jun 14

RBLA says...

IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
so they should be grateful for the jobs they have !
[quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]so they should be grateful for the jobs they have ! RBLA
  • Score: -2

4:52pm Mon 9 Jun 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics.
We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.[/p][/quote]Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics. We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time. southy
  • Score: -9

4:58pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics.
We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.
Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.[/p][/quote]Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics. We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 7

5:09pm Mon 9 Jun 14

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics.
We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.
Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.
And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.[/p][/quote]Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics. We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.[/p][/quote]And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality southy
  • Score: -6

5:18pm Mon 9 Jun 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics.
We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.
Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.
And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality
.. you really have no idea what you are talking about.
You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are.
We ARE currently out of recession - full stop
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.[/p][/quote]Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics. We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.[/p][/quote]And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality[/p][/quote].. you really have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are. We ARE currently out of recession - full stop freefinker
  • Score: 5

6:21pm Mon 9 Jun 14

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics.
We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.
Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.
And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality
.. you really have no idea what you are talking about.
You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are.
We ARE currently out of recession - full stop
They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed,
A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major.
We are in a Recession Full Stop
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.[/p][/quote]Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics. We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.[/p][/quote]And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality[/p][/quote].. you really have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are. We ARE currently out of recession - full stop[/p][/quote]They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed, A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major. We are in a Recession Full Stop southy
  • Score: -8

6:43pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics.
We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.
Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.
And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality
.. you really have no idea what you are talking about.
You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are.
We ARE currently out of recession - full stop
They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed,
A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major.
We are in a Recession Full Stop
No-one has altered any goalposts. The EU (inc the UK) have a universal measure of what constitutes a recession and it's as follows :-
" recessions are generally defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth, as measured by the seasonal adjusted quarter-on-quarter figures for real GDP. " Quite simple to understand and nothing to do with employment figures, except in your head. Did your fanciful notions of the truth come up when you were asked to resign on the grounds of ill health ?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.[/p][/quote]Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics. We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.[/p][/quote]And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality[/p][/quote].. you really have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are. We ARE currently out of recession - full stop[/p][/quote]They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed, A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major. We are in a Recession Full Stop[/p][/quote]No-one has altered any goalposts. The EU (inc the UK) have a universal measure of what constitutes a recession and it's as follows :- " recessions are generally defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth, as measured by the seasonal adjusted quarter-on-quarter figures for real GDP. " Quite simple to understand and nothing to do with employment figures, except in your head. Did your fanciful notions of the truth come up when you were asked to resign on the grounds of ill health ? Torchie1
  • Score: 8

6:44pm Mon 9 Jun 14

IanUnite says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
There have been 4 quarters of small growth with business confidence remains weak. Majority of so called jobs out there are in the main insecure part time or zero hours work. Hardly ' better jobs on better money'.

The cynically you can argue we are out of recession but my point, and let me rephrase it to avoid confusion is that job availability remains at a weak and in my view recession level.
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]There have been 4 quarters of small growth with business confidence remains weak. Majority of so called jobs out there are in the main insecure part time or zero hours work. Hardly ' better jobs on better money'. The cynically you can argue we are out of recession but my point, and let me rephrase it to avoid confusion is that job availability remains at a weak and in my view recession level. IanUnite
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
There have been 4 quarters of small growth with business confidence remains weak. Majority of so called jobs out there are in the main insecure part time or zero hours work. Hardly ' better jobs on better money'.

The cynically you can argue we are out of recession but my point, and let me rephrase it to avoid confusion is that job availability remains at a weak and in my view recession level.
As the economy grows it will need more employees to drive it, always has done, always will do but you have to accept that it doesn't happen as quickly as you'd like. Wherever there's a defined line people question its validity but recession has a universal EU definition and until that's changed it will be the benchmark whether it suits your viewpoint or not. In another field, a vote requiring a defined simple majority doesn't look good to some people when the majority in favour is tiny and the participating voters represent only a small percentage of the membership.
[quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]There have been 4 quarters of small growth with business confidence remains weak. Majority of so called jobs out there are in the main insecure part time or zero hours work. Hardly ' better jobs on better money'. The cynically you can argue we are out of recession but my point, and let me rephrase it to avoid confusion is that job availability remains at a weak and in my view recession level.[/p][/quote]As the economy grows it will need more employees to drive it, always has done, always will do but you have to accept that it doesn't happen as quickly as you'd like. Wherever there's a defined line people question its validity but recession has a universal EU definition and until that's changed it will be the benchmark whether it suits your viewpoint or not. In another field, a vote requiring a defined simple majority doesn't look good to some people when the majority in favour is tiny and the participating voters represent only a small percentage of the membership. Torchie1
  • Score: 7

7:44pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics.
We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.
Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.
And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality
.. you really have no idea what you are talking about.
You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are.
We ARE currently out of recession - full stop
They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed,
A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major.
We are in a Recession Full Stop
Stop commenting on topics you clearly know nothing about.

Why on earth do you feel the need to display your ignorance on a daily basis?

Do you get a kick out of making yourself look ridiculous..?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.[/p][/quote]Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics. We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.[/p][/quote]And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality[/p][/quote].. you really have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are. We ARE currently out of recession - full stop[/p][/quote]They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed, A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major. We are in a Recession Full Stop[/p][/quote]Stop commenting on topics you clearly know nothing about. Why on earth do you feel the need to display your ignorance on a daily basis? Do you get a kick out of making yourself look ridiculous..? Shoong
  • Score: 9

7:47pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics.
We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.
Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.
And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality
.. you really have no idea what you are talking about.
You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are.
We ARE currently out of recession - full stop
They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed,
A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major.
We are in a Recession Full Stop
'In the United Kingdom, recessions are generally defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth, as measured by the seasonal adjusted quarter-on-quarter figures for real GDP. The exact same recession definition apply for all member states of the European Union.'

Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.[/p][/quote]Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics. We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.[/p][/quote]And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality[/p][/quote].. you really have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are. We ARE currently out of recession - full stop[/p][/quote]They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed, A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major. We are in a Recession Full Stop[/p][/quote]'In the United Kingdom, recessions are generally defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth, as measured by the seasonal adjusted quarter-on-quarter figures for real GDP. The exact same recession definition apply for all member states of the European Union.' Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it. Shoong
  • Score: 9

11:11pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Poppy22 says...

No sympathy with public sector workers. You only have to subscribe to the Hants Council, schools , etc job lists to see how the rates of pay (and pensions and other benefits) are way better than the private sector now (and for some years now) for either equally or more experienced/qualifie
d people.
The only people I know who are still managing to retire early are the ones in public sector jobs, such as teachers. Many people I know in the private sector are either women who have lost their job and become unemployable as soon as they've hit age 50 (ageism and sexism are still rife in the private sector, especially in this area's financial services sector), or they're men who've kept their jobs but are having to work after "retirement" because their private sector pensions are now so worthless that they can't live off them . (Plus women in their 50s have been sold down the river and are having to wait several years longer for their State Pensions, so can find themselves out of work 15 years or more before they get State Pension). Haven't met any public sector workers in that position!
No sympathy with public sector workers. You only have to subscribe to the Hants Council, schools , etc job lists to see how the rates of pay (and pensions and other benefits) are way better than the private sector now (and for some years now) for either equally or more experienced/qualifie d people. The only people I know who are still managing to retire early are the ones in public sector jobs, such as teachers. Many people I know in the private sector are either women who have lost their job and become unemployable as soon as they've hit age 50 (ageism and sexism are still rife in the private sector, especially in this area's financial services sector), or they're men who've kept their jobs but are having to work after "retirement" because their private sector pensions are now so worthless that they can't live off them . (Plus women in their 50s have been sold down the river and are having to wait several years longer for their State Pensions, so can find themselves out of work 15 years or more before they get State Pension). Haven't met any public sector workers in that position! Poppy22
  • Score: 4

7:32am Tue 10 Jun 14

IanUnite says...

Poppy22 wrote:
No sympathy with public sector workers. You only have to subscribe to the Hants Council, schools , etc job lists to see how the rates of pay (and pensions and other benefits) are way better than the private sector now (and for some years now) for either equally or more experienced/qualifie

d people.
The only people I know who are still managing to retire early are the ones in public sector jobs, such as teachers. Many people I know in the private sector are either women who have lost their job and become unemployable as soon as they've hit age 50 (ageism and sexism are still rife in the private sector, especially in this area's financial services sector), or they're men who've kept their jobs but are having to work after "retirement" because their private sector pensions are now so worthless that they can't live off them . (Plus women in their 50s have been sold down the river and are having to wait several years longer for their State Pensions, so can find themselves out of work 15 years or more before they get State Pension). Haven't met any public sector workers in that position!
There are a number of Hampshire Councils who have difficulties if retaining staff because of the low wage levels (TVBC and NFDC) despite sick pay and pension benefits. Local authority workers have been suffering from pay freezes and 1% increases for 4/5 years now whereas the private sector have seen average increases of 2.5/3.5% annually. To view the private sector as the poor cousin then is not true.
The private sector especially the lower paid insecure service sector need to catch up with the living wage and stronger trade unions need to be involved to fight the worse excesses in this industry. The recent stabilisation and even slight rise in TU membership may mean a corner has been turned.
Arguing though that the private sector is worse off though is still a wrong argument and view and just makes you sound like you support the race to the bottom in wages terms and conditions, which affects spending power and ultimately slows the economy
[quote][p][bold]Poppy22[/bold] wrote: No sympathy with public sector workers. You only have to subscribe to the Hants Council, schools , etc job lists to see how the rates of pay (and pensions and other benefits) are way better than the private sector now (and for some years now) for either equally or more experienced/qualifie d people. The only people I know who are still managing to retire early are the ones in public sector jobs, such as teachers. Many people I know in the private sector are either women who have lost their job and become unemployable as soon as they've hit age 50 (ageism and sexism are still rife in the private sector, especially in this area's financial services sector), or they're men who've kept their jobs but are having to work after "retirement" because their private sector pensions are now so worthless that they can't live off them . (Plus women in their 50s have been sold down the river and are having to wait several years longer for their State Pensions, so can find themselves out of work 15 years or more before they get State Pension). Haven't met any public sector workers in that position![/p][/quote]There are a number of Hampshire Councils who have difficulties if retaining staff because of the low wage levels (TVBC and NFDC) despite sick pay and pension benefits. Local authority workers have been suffering from pay freezes and 1% increases for 4/5 years now whereas the private sector have seen average increases of 2.5/3.5% annually. To view the private sector as the poor cousin then is not true. The private sector especially the lower paid insecure service sector need to catch up with the living wage and stronger trade unions need to be involved to fight the worse excesses in this industry. The recent stabilisation and even slight rise in TU membership may mean a corner has been turned. Arguing though that the private sector is worse off though is still a wrong argument and view and just makes you sound like you support the race to the bottom in wages terms and conditions, which affects spending power and ultimately slows the economy IanUnite
  • Score: -1

8:34am Tue 10 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Strong unions are just bullies to the public, they destroy jobs and efficiency, if we had no unions we would be a happier, better country in my view.
Strong unions are just bullies to the public, they destroy jobs and efficiency, if we had no unions we would be a happier, better country in my view. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 2

12:32pm Tue 10 Jun 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
southy wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....
There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?
yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?
No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.
Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.
are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.
It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.
Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics.
We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.
Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.
And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality
.. you really have no idea what you are talking about.
You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are.
We ARE currently out of recession - full stop
They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed,
A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major.
We are in a Recession Full Stop
'In the United Kingdom, recessions are generally defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth, as measured by the seasonal adjusted quarter-on-quarter figures for real GDP. The exact same recession definition apply for all member states of the European Union.'

Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it.
That is because they took out the unemployment figures which show if your in a recession or not, keeping it to just economic growth give false readings and makes it look good for the Government and financial and its only on paper not in real produce, the majority of people the recession as not stop for them since the 80's, for the sake of lack of jobs, and those that are working have to work well beyond 40 hour week and have there partner working long hours also just to make ends meet.
They also took out in line population growth also which is also very important to give real figures.
Our Economy is not healthy at all the over all trend in the last 30 years is a picture of falling and still is falling with only very small peaks. Our economy is like what happen to Japan it went stagnant with no recovery.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: rather than moaning... why not better yourselves and go and get jobs elsewhere with better money !? then the vacated jobs will be filled by "lesser" people that yourselves. It seems to me the strikers simply over-rate themselves and what they are worth ....[/p][/quote]There are very few jobs out there. Its called a 'recession' Do you understand what that is?[/p][/quote]yes and we are not in a recession.. we are in a period of economic growth ! Where have you been for the last year ? Living under a rock ? Who told you we were still in a recession ?[/p][/quote]No your still technically in a Recession, just because there is a small economic growth it do not mean your out of the recession, we are out of the recession when figures reach high mid level before the fall and this as not happen, for the last 35 years the Economy as taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards. Removing the Unemployed figures from the equation only give false figures to the economy as the unemployed reduce spending and that effects the economy.[/p][/quote]are you on drugs Southy ? No we are both "technically" and in reality not in a recession.... if you do not know the definition of a recession then post on something you do know about , I am sure there is much you can contribute to but you are out of your depth on this topic. Ignorance is not always the fault of the ignorant though.[/p][/quote]It would be better if Southy could blame his distorted view of reality on drugs but posts like that are part of the reason for browsing the Echo news page. Inherently the 'truth' is what Southy believes it should be as opposed to what it is, anything you offer to back up your assertion is immediately dismissed as 'false right wing properganda (sic)' and every official figure is deemed to be government lies unless posted by Labour. Any quote you make from the internet is false but Southy refuses to explain why his quotes from YouTube or the internet are always bona-fide. I've always believed he could make a living as a stand-up comedian which he may reconsider now that his brief flirtation with politics has crashed and burned.[/p][/quote]Your not out of a recession till the unemployment level as drop below 1 million and this have not been the case for over 30 years, just they took it out of the figures to give a false image a small rise in the economy do not mean you have come out of the recession, And just because you and others like you have drank from the government Euforia cup lucozade and believe the brainwashing that is spoon fed to you, others are not so gullible and can see right though the tactics. We will remain in a recession till the number of jobs are larger than those being made unemployed, at the moment more people are being made unemployed all the time they dare not give you the true figures as it stands over 6 million are unemployed and there are less than 60,000 jobs, Even the government Gateway site as been proven to over 3/4 of the jobs advertise on there site and being none existing jobs or they are multi advertise jobs. Government have been giving false figures for a very long time.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish !!! There has been 5 consecutive quarters of growth and therefore we are out of recession.[/p][/quote]And yet Unemployment as gone up, the number of jobs on the market place as falling, its not rubbish why do you think they took out unemployment figures, and the 5 consecutive mths do not even equal the 1 mth of growth back in 2009, and to get those 5 mths in a line they had to do a lot of figure fixing, like leaving out the price of gold and how that as falling in the last 16 mths, your growth is only on paper and not in reality[/p][/quote].. you really have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make up new definitions of economic indicators just because you don't like what the statistics actually are. We ARE currently out of recession - full stop[/p][/quote]They keep altering the goal post, the goal post of today if applied back in 1979 would of shown no recession at all in the 70's and yet we know there was one, it near cause 1 million people being unemployed, A recession is mark by the number of unemployed, and not the economic growth the economic growth is a minor in saying if we are in a recession or not, unemployment is the major. We are in a Recession Full Stop[/p][/quote]'In the United Kingdom, recessions are generally defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth, as measured by the seasonal adjusted quarter-on-quarter figures for real GDP. The exact same recession definition apply for all member states of the European Union.' Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it.[/p][/quote]That is because they took out the unemployment figures which show if your in a recession or not, keeping it to just economic growth give false readings and makes it look good for the Government and financial and its only on paper not in real produce, the majority of people the recession as not stop for them since the 80's, for the sake of lack of jobs, and those that are working have to work well beyond 40 hour week and have there partner working long hours also just to make ends meet. They also took out in line population growth also which is also very important to give real figures. Our Economy is not healthy at all the over all trend in the last 30 years is a picture of falling and still is falling with only very small peaks. Our economy is like what happen to Japan it went stagnant with no recovery. southy
  • Score: -4

12:39pm Tue 10 Jun 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it.
yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures
Shoong wrote: Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it. yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures southy
  • Score: -4

2:15pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it.
yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures
Peter, you are rambling now because you've, once again, been monumentally stupid.

You're not making any sense at all.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong wrote: Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it. yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures[/p][/quote]Peter, you are rambling now because you've, once again, been monumentally stupid. You're not making any sense at all. Shoong
  • Score: 5

3:24pm Tue 10 Jun 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it.
yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures
Peter, you are rambling now because you've, once again, been monumentally stupid.

You're not making any sense at all.
Yes sorry about that i was in a hurry.

Shoong wrote:
Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it.

yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures.

Another word if the Unemployment is still rising then we are not out of a real recession but in fact we are going deeper into it.
0.4% increase that is all for this quarter, and this increase will not even account for the basics needs in life increase, Like water, electric, gas, food which are counted, the population increase is greater that the this so called fix recovery, in the last 3 years total increase is only 4.4% best was april last year and the so called recovery as slowed right down.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong wrote: Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it. yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures[/p][/quote]Peter, you are rambling now because you've, once again, been monumentally stupid. You're not making any sense at all.[/p][/quote]Yes sorry about that i was in a hurry. Shoong wrote: Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it. yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures. Another word if the Unemployment is still rising then we are not out of a real recession but in fact we are going deeper into it. 0.4% increase that is all for this quarter, and this increase will not even account for the basics needs in life increase, Like water, electric, gas, food which are counted, the population increase is greater that the this so called fix recovery, in the last 3 years total increase is only 4.4% best was april last year and the so called recovery as slowed right down. southy
  • Score: -3

4:01pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Shoong says...

No, sorry, the facts are out there - your opinions are not facts. A run away recovery is not what we need - if you had an inkling as to what you are talking about, you'd know that.

We could sit here & debate this all day but your blinkered far left views with your immature inability to concede when you are wrong makes it pointless.
No, sorry, the facts are out there - your opinions are not facts. A run away recovery is not what we need - if you had an inkling as to what you are talking about, you'd know that. We could sit here & debate this all day but your blinkered far left views with your immature inability to concede when you are wrong makes it pointless. Shoong
  • Score: 4

4:20pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it.
yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures
Peter, you are rambling now because you've, once again, been monumentally stupid.

You're not making any sense at all.
Yes sorry about that i was in a hurry.

Shoong wrote:
Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it.

yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures.

Another word if the Unemployment is still rising then we are not out of a real recession but in fact we are going deeper into it.
0.4% increase that is all for this quarter, and this increase will not even account for the basics needs in life increase, Like water, electric, gas, food which are counted, the population increase is greater that the this so called fix recovery, in the last 3 years total increase is only 4.4% best was april last year and the so called recovery as slowed right down.
It's strange that you decry a growth figure for only being 0.4% when you were trumpeting the extra six people that voted for you as 'the Tusc' candidate as the new dawn of politics a couple of years ago. I always admire your flexible approach to every subject.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong wrote: Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it. yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures[/p][/quote]Peter, you are rambling now because you've, once again, been monumentally stupid. You're not making any sense at all.[/p][/quote]Yes sorry about that i was in a hurry. Shoong wrote: Unemployment is a CONSEQUENCE of a recession - not a measure of it. yes it is and it is also a rise in employment (a fall in unemployment) is CONSEQUENCE of coming out of a recession. the two are closely link, and Unemployment is rising fast, even after the government fixing the figures to make it look good it soon catches up with them and the publish figures rise again. Like there is over 1.3 million people that don't get counted that are registered unemployed but do not get any benefit, there a number of things don't by the government to fix the figures. Another word if the Unemployment is still rising then we are not out of a real recession but in fact we are going deeper into it. 0.4% increase that is all for this quarter, and this increase will not even account for the basics needs in life increase, Like water, electric, gas, food which are counted, the population increase is greater that the this so called fix recovery, in the last 3 years total increase is only 4.4% best was april last year and the so called recovery as slowed right down.[/p][/quote]It's strange that you decry a growth figure for only being 0.4% when you were trumpeting the extra six people that voted for you as 'the Tusc' candidate as the new dawn of politics a couple of years ago. I always admire your flexible approach to every subject. Torchie1
  • Score: 3

6:04pm Tue 10 Jun 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
No, sorry, the facts are out there - your opinions are not facts. A run away recovery is not what we need - if you had an inkling as to what you are talking about, you'd know that.

We could sit here & debate this all day but your blinkered far left views with your immature inability to concede when you are wrong makes it pointless.
The thing is the 2 are link there,s no getting away with that,
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: No, sorry, the facts are out there - your opinions are not facts. A run away recovery is not what we need - if you had an inkling as to what you are talking about, you'd know that. We could sit here & debate this all day but your blinkered far left views with your immature inability to concede when you are wrong makes it pointless.[/p][/quote]The thing is the 2 are link there,s no getting away with that, southy
  • Score: -4

7:16pm Tue 10 Jun 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
No, sorry, the facts are out there - your opinions are not facts. A run away recovery is not what we need - if you had an inkling as to what you are talking about, you'd know that.

We could sit here & debate this all day but your blinkered far left views with your immature inability to concede when you are wrong makes it pointless.
The thing is the 2 are link there,s no getting away with that,
.. yes, there is a casual link between recession/growth and unemployment.

But they are totally SEPARATE economic indicators.

There is also a link between rainfall and umbrella sales - but yet again they are SEPARATE entities.

You really do show your total and utter economic ignorance time and time again.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: No, sorry, the facts are out there - your opinions are not facts. A run away recovery is not what we need - if you had an inkling as to what you are talking about, you'd know that. We could sit here & debate this all day but your blinkered far left views with your immature inability to concede when you are wrong makes it pointless.[/p][/quote]The thing is the 2 are link there,s no getting away with that,[/p][/quote].. yes, there is a casual link between recession/growth and unemployment. But they are totally SEPARATE economic indicators. There is also a link between rainfall and umbrella sales - but yet again they are SEPARATE entities. You really do show your total and utter economic ignorance time and time again. freefinker
  • Score: 4

6:49pm Fri 4 Jul 14

davethai says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
I dont think we would notice if the council workers went on strike.
If there are no traffic wardens on duty, free parking for all - I'm sure the financial loss would be noticed! Equally, cars parked where ever they like, imagine the problems that will create.... I'm sure that would be noticed. School closures and parents needing to take time off to look after them. Council offices closed etc etc etc. Have you any idea how many jobs council employees do for the community?
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: I dont think we would notice if the council workers went on strike.[/p][/quote]If there are no traffic wardens on duty, free parking for all - I'm sure the financial loss would be noticed! Equally, cars parked where ever they like, imagine the problems that will create.... I'm sure that would be noticed. School closures and parents needing to take time off to look after them. Council offices closed etc etc etc. Have you any idea how many jobs council employees do for the community? davethai
  • Score: 0

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