Royston Smith threatends to quit Conservatives if there is no referendum on EU membership

'Hold EU vote or I quit Tories’ says city's parliamentary candidate

'Hold EU vote or I quit Tories’ says city's parliamentary candidate

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THE man bidding to become a Southampton MP at the next General Election has pledged to quit the Conservatives if his party does not deliver a referendum on the European Union.

Royston Smith, who will fight the Itchen seat again in 2015, says he will resign the whip if both he and his party win but a vote on the UK’s future in the EU is not held.

His pledge comes at a time when the UK’s place in the union has been put under the spotlight during the recent European elections.

Anti-EU party UK Independence Party won last month’s elections, while some of Cllr Smith’s party colleagues have also called for the UK to pull out of the EU.

Prime Minister David Cameron has vowed to hold a referendum in 2017 if his party are re-elected next year. And if he is also elected, Cllr Smith, currently leader of the Tory opposition at the city council, says he will become an independent if his party does not keep its promise.

He said: “I have spent my entire political life campaigning for an in/out referendum, frequently when it was not as popular as it is now, and I am therefore thrilled with the Conservative commitment to finally deliver one.

“However, there are those that are not yet convinced a referendum will happen. For this reason I am making this very clear promise.

“If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent.

“People should be in no doubt that the promised referendum will happen. If it doesn’t I will resign my party membership and campaign as an independent to finally have our relationship with the EU ratified or rejected.”

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9:29am Sun 15 Jun 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

hot air ,lisbon treaty becomes law this year , all member states have to agree to uk exit.
hot air ,lisbon treaty becomes law this year , all member states have to agree to uk exit. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 8

9:55am Sun 15 Jun 14

issacchunt says...

'SHE'??? Only threatening to resigning the whip not give up the political career of lucrative expenses. ROYSTON ON THE FIRE COMMITEE, JAQUIE ON THE POLICE ONE. these people know how to play the system.
'SHE'??? Only threatening to resigning the whip not give up the political career of lucrative expenses. ROYSTON ON THE FIRE COMMITEE, JAQUIE ON THE POLICE ONE. these people know how to play the system. issacchunt
  • Score: 5

9:56am Sun 15 Jun 14

Linesman says...

"Royston Smith, who will fight the Itchen seat again in 2015, say she will resign the whip........."

Has Royston had a sex change op?
"Royston Smith, who will fight the Itchen seat again in 2015, say she will resign the whip........." Has Royston had a sex change op? Linesman
  • Score: 10

10:01am Sun 15 Jun 14

tootle says...

Somebody probably assumed the Conservatives had imposed a "women only" shortlist as well as Labour. A simple mistake as, in reality, there is very little to chose between the parties.
Somebody probably assumed the Conservatives had imposed a "women only" shortlist as well as Labour. A simple mistake as, in reality, there is very little to chose between the parties. tootle
  • Score: 3

10:04am Sun 15 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ......
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No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then .....
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He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges
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Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale ..
.
Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice
....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ...... . No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then ..... . He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges . Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale .. . Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 8

10:30am Sun 15 Jun 14

Bagamn says...

Come on little man, who do you think you are kidding? First, you have got to win the seat. Second, make sure you have the backing of other party members when you do this. Come on Napoleon, they wont even notice., or is this self-agrandesment before the election to try to get more votes. Why vote Conservative to get an independent.
Come on little man, who do you think you are kidding? First, you have got to win the seat. Second, make sure you have the backing of other party members when you do this. Come on Napoleon, they wont even notice., or is this self-agrandesment before the election to try to get more votes. Why vote Conservative to get an independent. Bagamn
  • Score: 7

11:32am Sun 15 Jun 14

Turtlebay says...

If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy! Turtlebay
  • Score: -3

11:54am Sun 15 Jun 14

Nod says...

Turtlebay wrote:
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy![/p][/quote]did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held. Nod
  • Score: 2

11:58am Sun 15 Jun 14

bigfella777 says...

Royston for PM
Royston for PM bigfella777
  • Score: -6

12:08pm Sun 15 Jun 14

News Fanatic says...

I don't think there is much danger of Royston being elected MP, when he failed in 2010. It sounds as though he is a UKIPer in all but party card.
I don't think there is much danger of Royston being elected MP, when he failed in 2010. It sounds as though he is a UKIPer in all but party card. News Fanatic
  • Score: 5

12:23pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ......
.
No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then .....
.
He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges
.
Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale ..
.
Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice
As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve.

According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU.

But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP.

So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot.

Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell:

It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct.

The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people.

Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories.

With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire.

On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: ....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ...... . No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then ..... . He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges . Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale .. . Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice[/p][/quote]As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve. According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU. But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP. So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot. Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell: It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct. The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people. Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories. With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire. On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -9

12:47pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
hot air ,lisbon treaty becomes law this year , all member states have to agree to uk exit.
No. A Treaty is just a subsisting agreement between 2 or more countries and can be determined unilaterally. You may recall that Nazi Germany terminated the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty by invading its ally, the Soviet Union.
[quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: hot air ,lisbon treaty becomes law this year , all member states have to agree to uk exit.[/p][/quote]No. A Treaty is just a subsisting agreement between 2 or more countries and can be determined unilaterally. You may recall that Nazi Germany terminated the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty by invading its ally, the Soviet Union. Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

12:55pm Sun 15 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Corr bloody hell Rambo's been busy! Wrestling a gunman, driving without insurance or wearing a seatbelt and now he's had a sex change op! Good ol' Rambo Royston! Did he pay for the sex change op with taxpayer's money after claiming it would be paid for with some kind of grant?
Corr bloody hell Rambo's been busy! Wrestling a gunman, driving without insurance or wearing a seatbelt and now he's had a sex change op! Good ol' Rambo Royston! Did he pay for the sex change op with taxpayer's money after claiming it would be paid for with some kind of grant? 03alpe01
  • Score: 4

2:20pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ......
.
No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then .....
.
He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges
.
Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale ..
.
Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice
As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve.

According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU.

But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP.

So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot.

Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell:

It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct.

The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people.

Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories.

With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire.

On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.
Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue ....
.
That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate .....
.
Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me ....
.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: ....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ...... . No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then ..... . He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges . Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale .. . Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice[/p][/quote]As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve. According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU. But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP. So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot. Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell: It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct. The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people. Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories. With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire. On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.[/p][/quote]Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue .... . That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate ..... . Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me .... . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

2:51pm Sun 15 Jun 14

loosehead says...

I will no longer vote Tory if we don't get a referendum but if Royston is saying he'd go Independent I have no time for him .
If he feels strongly enough he should resign & cause a by election or not stand at all
I will no longer vote Tory if we don't get a referendum but if Royston is saying he'd go Independent I have no time for him . If he feels strongly enough he should resign & cause a by election or not stand at all loosehead
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Sun 15 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

staying in the EU will be disastrous..... but leaving the EU will be even more disastrous... take your pick....
staying in the EU will be disastrous..... but leaving the EU will be even more disastrous... take your pick.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -1

3:09pm Sun 15 Jun 14

The Watcher says...

This man is a disgrace to the Conservative Party. Veiled threats when you're not even an MP!!! Outrageous.
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A very poor leader at a local level, and now he has shown he does not have the political nous at a national level.
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I hope CCHQ take action on this very disloyal individual.
This man is a disgrace to the Conservative Party. Veiled threats when you're not even an MP!!! Outrageous. . A very poor leader at a local level, and now he has shown he does not have the political nous at a national level. . I hope CCHQ take action on this very disloyal individual. The Watcher
  • Score: 1

3:56pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ......
.
No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then .....
.
He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges
.
Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale ..
.
Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice
As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve.

According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU.

But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP.

So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot.

Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell:

It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct.

The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people.

Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories.

With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire.

On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.
Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue ....
.
That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate .....
.
Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me ....
.
No sir, I have never ever called you as a person 'hypocrite'. In fact I have enormous respect for you and some others on the fringes of socialism on this site, because most of your attacks (political) on Tories and Lousy Lib-Dems are music to my Old Labour ears.

It is the Thatcherised NuLabour which is a glorified name for hypocrisy of the highest order, and that's the glass house of double Standrads I often object..

Intention was to alert you and others like your good self trapped in that glass house against throwing rocks upon Royston Smith, because people with reasonable memories or others from your opposition may refer back to NuLabour"s own record.

Personally I have always supported the principle that those elected on any one political party's ticket, if they can't defend the manifesto upon which he/she was elected then that person should offer to resign and seek new vote of confidence and political parties should also do the same when they violate their manifesto comittments.---- Blair and Brown should have done that many times on issues like introducing fees for higher education, privatising parts of NHS and refusal to hold refrendum after Lisbon etc etc.

So Don and Keith can easily throw that back at you.

Personally when I left NuLabour to stay a socialist in 1996, but with one year of my term still left on Hampshire County Council, I offered to stand down so that NuLabour could have replaced me not only in my statement giving the reasons why I was leaving (which local rag ignored, and you can hardly blame me for that) but I also made my position clear during hour long live interview on a London radio station conducted by NuLabour's own MP Keith Vaz.

But your beloved NuLabour never accepted my offer.

So for whole of that year I kept on arguing for Labour policies on the County, and opposing so called Labour Group on the County which was violating virtually all those to keep Lib Dems happy, because they were in bed with them from 1993 till 1997, although GMC of Southampton Labour Party had opposed that political adultery and was against the directive issued by national executive.

I hope you will remember that before thinking that I do no practice what I preach, and suggest that you check who were real traitors pretending to be Labour County Councillors from Southampton but ignoring GMC's decision and staying in bed with Lib-Dems. Why none of them was ever kicked out of the Party??.... I expect with your knowledge you may already know all that dirt kept under NuLabour's carpet , but to pick on Keith and Don now has become convenient for you.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: ....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ...... . No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then ..... . He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges . Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale .. . Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice[/p][/quote]As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve. According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU. But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP. So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot. Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell: It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct. The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people. Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories. With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire. On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.[/p][/quote]Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue .... . That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate ..... . Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me .... .[/p][/quote]No sir, I have never ever called you as a person 'hypocrite'. In fact I have enormous respect for you and some others on the fringes of socialism on this site, because most of your attacks (political) on Tories and Lousy Lib-Dems are music to my Old Labour ears. It is the Thatcherised NuLabour which is a glorified name for hypocrisy of the highest order, and that's the glass house of double Standrads I often object.. Intention was to alert you and others like your good self trapped in that glass house against throwing rocks upon Royston Smith, because people with reasonable memories or others from your opposition may refer back to NuLabour"s own record. Personally I have always supported the principle that those elected on any one political party's ticket, if they can't defend the manifesto upon which he/she was elected then that person should offer to resign and seek new vote of confidence and political parties should also do the same when they violate their manifesto comittments.---- Blair and Brown should have done that many times on issues like introducing fees for higher education, privatising parts of NHS and refusal to hold refrendum after Lisbon etc etc. So Don and Keith can easily throw that back at you. Personally when I left NuLabour to stay a socialist in 1996, but with one year of my term still left on Hampshire County Council, I offered to stand down so that NuLabour could have replaced me not only in my statement giving the reasons why I was leaving (which local rag ignored, and you can hardly blame me for that) but I also made my position clear during hour long live interview on a London radio station conducted by NuLabour's own MP Keith Vaz. But your beloved NuLabour never accepted my offer. So for whole of that year I kept on arguing for Labour policies on the County, and opposing so called Labour Group on the County which was violating virtually all those to keep Lib Dems happy, because they were in bed with them from 1993 till 1997, although GMC of Southampton Labour Party had opposed that political adultery and was against the directive issued by national executive. I hope you will remember that before thinking that I do no practice what I preach, and suggest that you check who were real traitors pretending to be Labour County Councillors from Southampton but ignoring GMC's decision and staying in bed with Lib-Dems. Why none of them was ever kicked out of the Party??.... I expect with your knowledge you may already know all that dirt kept under NuLabour's carpet , but to pick on Keith and Don now has become convenient for you. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -4

4:13pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
staying in the EU will be disastrous..... but leaving the EU will be even more disastrous... take your pick....
staying will be disastrous for us. Leaving even more disastrous for the Paris-Berlin Axis. Tough.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: staying in the EU will be disastrous..... but leaving the EU will be even more disastrous... take your pick....[/p][/quote]staying will be disastrous for us. Leaving even more disastrous for the Paris-Berlin Axis. Tough. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

4:18pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

The Watcher wrote:
This man is a disgrace to the Conservative Party. Veiled threats when you're not even an MP!!! Outrageous.
.
A very poor leader at a local level, and now he has shown he does not have the political nous at a national level.
.
I hope CCHQ take action on this very disloyal individual.
As I am a socialst NOT a Tory I have no idea about the internal procedures of the Conservative Party, but in any sane organisation this kind of behaviour can be viewed as mutiny

Could it be that with only few months before the elections Cameron and are frightened to take strong action because it will only expose the on going civil war within their party even more, especially when they are trying to recover from recent blod bath between Tresa May and Michael Gove?

Also other danger for exceptionally weak Tory leadership could be that if they start taking action against vaguely threatening sound bites of Cllr Smith, he may decide to jump the sinking Tory Ship and join the UKIP
[quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: This man is a disgrace to the Conservative Party. Veiled threats when you're not even an MP!!! Outrageous. . A very poor leader at a local level, and now he has shown he does not have the political nous at a national level. . I hope CCHQ take action on this very disloyal individual.[/p][/quote]As I am a socialst NOT a Tory I have no idea about the internal procedures of the Conservative Party, but in any sane organisation this kind of behaviour can be viewed as mutiny Could it be that with only few months before the elections Cameron and are frightened to take strong action because it will only expose the on going civil war within their party even more, especially when they are trying to recover from recent blod bath between Tresa May and Michael Gove? Also other danger for exceptionally weak Tory leadership could be that if they start taking action against vaguely threatening sound bites of Cllr Smith, he may decide to jump the sinking Tory Ship and join the UKIP Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -4

4:38pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Frank28 says...

Royston Smith can say whatever he likes - as far as Southampton's concerned, he's unelectable! Remember, he's got to get a least 5% of the Vote, or he'll lose his deposit.
Royston Smith can say whatever he likes - as far as Southampton's concerned, he's unelectable! Remember, he's got to get a least 5% of the Vote, or he'll lose his deposit. Frank28
  • Score: 2

6:56pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

Nod wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.
Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.
[quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy![/p][/quote]did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.[/p][/quote]Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes. Inform Al
  • Score: 0

9:19pm Sun 15 Jun 14

loosehead says...

He narrowly missed out beating Denham so I don't know where one poster got their facts from.
The local Tory party.Itchen Tory party can deselect him if they feel what he has announced is wrong so he might not be the candidate any way.
I've said it about the defectors to UKIP & TUSC so I can't be a hypocrite & stand by Royston if he's not willing to resign from Government.
He narrowly missed out beating Denham so I don't know where one poster got their facts from. The local Tory party.Itchen Tory party can deselect him if they feel what he has announced is wrong so he might not be the candidate any way. I've said it about the defectors to UKIP & TUSC so I can't be a hypocrite & stand by Royston if he's not willing to resign from Government. loosehead
  • Score: -2

11:32pm Sun 15 Jun 14

downfader says...

Royston should beware of making populist comment and promises. Its been the downfall of many an MP or politician before him...
Royston should beware of making populist comment and promises. Its been the downfall of many an MP or politician before him... downfader
  • Score: 0

6:42am Mon 16 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Well Royston, you certainly have Labour worried, I think and they think you are going to win. You are brave and honourable, well done you would be great for this town.
You talk about the big issues, your Labour person talks about where she shops, I think you would make the better MP.
There will be a referendum and only the Tories can deliver that, Labour are very worried as they should be.
Will Southampton turn blue in 2015? Maybe will see in just 11 months.
Well Royston, you certainly have Labour worried, I think and they think you are going to win. You are brave and honourable, well done you would be great for this town. You talk about the big issues, your Labour person talks about where she shops, I think you would make the better MP. There will be a referendum and only the Tories can deliver that, Labour are very worried as they should be. Will Southampton turn blue in 2015? Maybe will see in just 11 months. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -1

9:25am Mon 16 Jun 14

Turtlebay says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ......
.
No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then .....
.
He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges
.
Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale ..
.
Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice
As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve.

According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU.

But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP.

So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot.

Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell:

It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct.

The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people.

Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories.

With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire.

On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.
Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue ....
.
That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate .....
.
Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me ....
.
By adding to the quotes let's see how long we can make this thread! Should be fun!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: ....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ...... . No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then ..... . He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges . Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale .. . Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice[/p][/quote]As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve. According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU. But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP. So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot. Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell: It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct. The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people. Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories. With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire. On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.[/p][/quote]Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue .... . That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate ..... . Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me .... .[/p][/quote]By adding to the quotes let's see how long we can make this thread! Should be fun! Turtlebay
  • Score: -1

9:25am Mon 16 Jun 14

Turtlebay says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ......
.
No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then .....
.
He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges
.
Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale ..
.
Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice
As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve.

According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU.

But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP.

So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot.

Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell:

It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct.

The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people.

Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories.

With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire.

On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.
Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue ....
.
That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate .....
.
Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me ....
.
By adding to the quotes let's see how long we can make this thread! Should be fun!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: ....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ...... . No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then ..... . He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges . Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale .. . Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice[/p][/quote]As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve. According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU. But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP. So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot. Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell: It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct. The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people. Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories. With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire. On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.[/p][/quote]Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue .... . That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate ..... . Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me .... .[/p][/quote]By adding to the quotes let's see how long we can make this thread! Should be fun! Turtlebay
  • Score: -1

9:28am Mon 16 Jun 14

Turtlebay says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ......
.
No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then .....
.
He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges
.
Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale ..
.
Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice
As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve.

According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU.

But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP.

So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot.

Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell:

It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct.

The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people.

Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories.

With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire.

On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.
Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue ....
.
That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate .....
.
Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me ....
.
By adding to the quotes let's see how long we can make this thread! Should be fun!
Sorry the above posted twice. Don't know why.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: ....... Quote:- “If I am elected as a Conservative MP and we don't deliver the referendum I will resign from t h e Conservative Party and sit in the House of Commons as an independent. ...... . No mention of standing down from Cons and having a fresh election for his seat ...... and standing as an Independant then ..... . He intends to just stay on in Parliament as an Independant ....... taking all the Parliamentary priviledges . Disgraceful .... just like Morrell and Thomas ..... only on a bigger scale .. . Vote Tory .... Get Independant ..... because the referendum will not happen ....... there will never be a staright in/out choice[/p][/quote]As a socialist I am never ever likely to support the election of any Tory, but because of the real socialist values I believe in (to which the liars and cheats of the Thatcherised NuLabour and most of their representatives are highly allergic) I have to be fair and give the credit to opponents when they deserve. According to Daily Echo's Cllr. Royston Smith may have changed his sex ( What their hack Franklin may have done to find that out should be left to your non judgemental and tolerant imagination!!) but Smith certainly has not changed his views on the EU. But the Labour under Kinnock while ditching most of the good old Labour values also changed its opposition to the EU for the sake of falling in line with Maggie Thatcher, and then as NuLabour it refused to honour the pledge made in manifesto to hold refrendum after Lisbon, which in the long run has contributed towards the increased support for UKIP. So with that kind of slippery record of your beloved NuLabour and the lady from London (Remember Echo having exposed her various fibs about head teachers and big business bosses endorsing her?..) who is going to be NuLabour candidate after the departure of politically dodgy but hard working constituency MP John Denham, Cllr. Royston Smith appears to be more open and honest with electorate than your lot. Regarding him threatnig to resign Tory Whip under certain circumstances and your usual pot shots at principled Cllrs Thomas and Morrell: It is no good you pretending very hard the lack of knowledge about local matters, because with exceptionally well informed and intelligent person like you it just can't be correct. The thumping great majority Keith Morrell got re-elected with only proves his decision to leave NuLabour may not have suited NuLabour whose leadership was busy lying and councillors breaking promises, but it certainly has support of the people. Also when the NuLabour was in power at national level why your party did not tell certain Tory defectors to resign their seats and contest new election as NuLabour candidates? In fact Blair and Brown not only gloated about having them under NuLabour whip but also in some cases provided ministerial berths to traitors of Tories. With hypocritical record of NuLabour you and others like your good self should be carefully considering before attacking Tory Royston Smith. Because it will backfire. On entirely different subject: Why can't you people put bit of super glue into the mouth of TORY Blair? He was on Mars tv programme this morning speaking from Middle East, in the picture back ground appeared like some grave yard.. And the monster was once again trying to create hysteria about another threat to our country for starting another air war against Iraq and also Syria.[/p][/quote]Once again in the true political way you post metafores and expletives yet fail to acknowledge the issue .... . That issue is ..... If you stand for one party and get elected ...... then decide to jump ship for whatever reason ..... you should resign your position an go back to the electorate ..... . Your appreciation of, Thomas and Morrell ..... and failure to condone their jumping ship without re-election of suggests that the hypocricy is coming from you and not me .... .[/p][/quote]By adding to the quotes let's see how long we can make this thread! Should be fun![/p][/quote]Sorry the above posted twice. Don't know why. Turtlebay
  • Score: -1

11:29am Mon 16 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Inform Al wrote:
Nod wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.
Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.
Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble?
Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy![/p][/quote]did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.[/p][/quote]Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.[/p][/quote]Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble? Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

2:11pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Nod wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.
Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.
Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble?
Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?
.... well at least he speaks the truth
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy![/p][/quote]did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.[/p][/quote]Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.[/p][/quote]Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble? Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?[/p][/quote].... well at least he speaks the truth Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

2:42pm Mon 16 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Nod wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.
Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.
Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble?
Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?
.... well at least he speaks the truth
No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy![/p][/quote]did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.[/p][/quote]Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.[/p][/quote]Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble? Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?[/p][/quote].... well at least he speaks the truth[/p][/quote]No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 3

3:05pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Nod wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.
Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.
Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble?
Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?
.... well at least he speaks the truth
No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron.
At least I have a sense of humour. Sadly lacking in some it seems.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy![/p][/quote]did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.[/p][/quote]Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.[/p][/quote]Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble? Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?[/p][/quote].... well at least he speaks the truth[/p][/quote]No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron.[/p][/quote]At least I have a sense of humour. Sadly lacking in some it seems. Inform Al
  • Score: -2

3:31pm Mon 16 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Nod wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.
Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.
Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble?
Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?
.... well at least he speaks the truth
No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron.
At least I have a sense of humour. Sadly lacking in some it seems.
Lazy name-calling isn't the same as having a sense of humour. Everyone who thinks they're being 'funny' by using names like Bliar, Milibland, C'moron, Clag etc. etc. is simply demonstrating that they're not capable of original thought. And say what you want, you won't be taken seriously as a potential parliamentary candidate if you keep on doing it. Or do you think it's fine, and more likely to win you the nomination? If so that tells us a lot about the calibre of UKIP candidates more generally.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy![/p][/quote]did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.[/p][/quote]Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.[/p][/quote]Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble? Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?[/p][/quote].... well at least he speaks the truth[/p][/quote]No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron.[/p][/quote]At least I have a sense of humour. Sadly lacking in some it seems.[/p][/quote]Lazy name-calling isn't the same as having a sense of humour. Everyone who thinks they're being 'funny' by using names like Bliar, Milibland, C'moron, Clag etc. etc. is simply demonstrating that they're not capable of original thought. And say what you want, you won't be taken seriously as a potential parliamentary candidate if you keep on doing it. Or do you think it's fine, and more likely to win you the nomination? If so that tells us a lot about the calibre of UKIP candidates more generally. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Mon 16 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Royston you are rocking many of your competitors and I for one love it.
Well done for getting more votes than any other candidate at the latest election, rock on Royston, hope you become the next MP for Itchen.
Royston you are rocking many of your competitors and I for one love it. Well done for getting more votes than any other candidate at the latest election, rock on Royston, hope you become the next MP for Itchen. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -1

3:54pm Mon 16 Jun 14

loosehead says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Royston you are rocking many of your competitors and I for one love it.
Well done for getting more votes than any other candidate at the latest election, rock on Royston, hope you become the next MP for Itchen.
Do you agree with the Tory Candidate you voted for no longer being Tory once elected?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Royston you are rocking many of your competitors and I for one love it. Well done for getting more votes than any other candidate at the latest election, rock on Royston, hope you become the next MP for Itchen.[/p][/quote]Do you agree with the Tory Candidate you voted for no longer being Tory once elected? loosehead
  • Score: 1

4:14pm Mon 16 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

If Royston and Tories said they would give a referendum at the general election and then the Tories went back on their word ( which they won't) then I believe Royston being an honest man would have the right to become an independent Tory.

The reason I am such a stronger support of the local Tories is I believe they are an honest hard working bunch who try their best for this town and if they give their word they mean it.
If Royston and Tories said they would give a referendum at the general election and then the Tories went back on their word ( which they won't) then I believe Royston being an honest man would have the right to become an independent Tory. The reason I am such a stronger support of the local Tories is I believe they are an honest hard working bunch who try their best for this town and if they give their word they mean it. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -1

4:39pm Mon 16 Jun 14

southy says...

Royston is looking how well UKIP done just out side off the east side of the city, He is thinking about his political career and not about people, So if the Torys don't give the vote on the EU he will go back to his old ways like he was before he join the Tory's, He see's UKIP his future standing with them but as an Independent
Royston is looking how well UKIP done just out side off the east side of the city, He is thinking about his political career and not about people, So if the Torys don't give the vote on the EU he will go back to his old ways like he was before he join the Tory's, He see's UKIP his future standing with them but as an Independent southy
  • Score: 1

4:49pm Mon 16 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Royston and Tories said they would give a referendum at the general election and then the Tories went back on their word ( which they won't) then I believe Royston being an honest man would have the right to become an independent Tory.

The reason I am such a stronger support of the local Tories is I believe they are an honest hard working bunch who try their best for this town and if they give their word they mean it.
I think that's largely true. Councillors like Jeremy Moulton work extremely hard for the people of their wards. But it's also true of the councillors of other parties, and I include TUSC in this. I sometimes think the people of Southampton fail to appreciate that we have a healthy political scene here - the vast majority of the councillors are hard-working, dedicated people who really care for the city. Contrast that with the mess the Lib Dems made in running Portsmouth, and I think we are very fortunate.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: If Royston and Tories said they would give a referendum at the general election and then the Tories went back on their word ( which they won't) then I believe Royston being an honest man would have the right to become an independent Tory. The reason I am such a stronger support of the local Tories is I believe they are an honest hard working bunch who try their best for this town and if they give their word they mean it.[/p][/quote]I think that's largely true. Councillors like Jeremy Moulton work extremely hard for the people of their wards. But it's also true of the councillors of other parties, and I include TUSC in this. I sometimes think the people of Southampton fail to appreciate that we have a healthy political scene here - the vast majority of the councillors are hard-working, dedicated people who really care for the city. Contrast that with the mess the Lib Dems made in running Portsmouth, and I think we are very fortunate. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Mon 16 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Walking on a wire, I agree with you.
Walking on a wire, I agree with you. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 0

9:14pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Nod wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.
Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.
Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble?
Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?
.... well at least he speaks the truth
No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron.
At least I have a sense of humour. Sadly lacking in some it seems.
Lazy name-calling isn't the same as having a sense of humour. Everyone who thinks they're being 'funny' by using names like Bliar, Milibland, C'moron, Clag etc. etc. is simply demonstrating that they're not capable of original thought. And say what you want, you won't be taken seriously as a potential parliamentary candidate if you keep on doing it. Or do you think it's fine, and more likely to win you the nomination? If so that tells us a lot about the calibre of UKIP candidates more generally.
No it just tells me you have very limited intelligence and do not understand humour.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy![/p][/quote]did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.[/p][/quote]Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.[/p][/quote]Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble? Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?[/p][/quote].... well at least he speaks the truth[/p][/quote]No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron.[/p][/quote]At least I have a sense of humour. Sadly lacking in some it seems.[/p][/quote]Lazy name-calling isn't the same as having a sense of humour. Everyone who thinks they're being 'funny' by using names like Bliar, Milibland, C'moron, Clag etc. etc. is simply demonstrating that they're not capable of original thought. And say what you want, you won't be taken seriously as a potential parliamentary candidate if you keep on doing it. Or do you think it's fine, and more likely to win you the nomination? If so that tells us a lot about the calibre of UKIP candidates more generally.[/p][/quote]No it just tells me you have very limited intelligence and do not understand humour. Inform Al
  • Score: -1

9:28pm Mon 16 Jun 14

loosehead says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Walking on a wire, I agree with you.
I've been out in all weather leafletting for the Tory Party I think Moulton is an excellent councillor for his ward & would make a great MP.
BUT I would be voting for a TORY MP not an independent or a UKIP MP so if Jeremy or Royston feel betrayed by Cameron if they're elected I'd expect them to force a by election by resigning then standing as an independent or UKIP candidate I'd vote for them but if they just stopped being Tories & stayed in Parliament as Independents I would never vote for them again.
MP's Councillors have to understand we vote for a Party & a good candidate for that party so if they no longer want to stay in that party & leave it then they weren't elected for any other party so should leave Parliament or don't the voters wishes count?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Walking on a wire, I agree with you.[/p][/quote]I've been out in all weather leafletting for the Tory Party I think Moulton is an excellent councillor for his ward & would make a great MP. BUT I would be voting for a TORY MP not an independent or a UKIP MP so if Jeremy or Royston feel betrayed by Cameron if they're elected I'd expect them to force a by election by resigning then standing as an independent or UKIP candidate I'd vote for them but if they just stopped being Tories & stayed in Parliament as Independents I would never vote for them again. MP's Councillors have to understand we vote for a Party & a good candidate for that party so if they no longer want to stay in that party & leave it then they weren't elected for any other party so should leave Parliament or don't the voters wishes count? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:33pm Mon 16 Jun 14

loosehead says...

As A tory supporter leafletting on behalf of the Tory Party I will feel aggrieved if the person I helped get elected for the Tory Party Jumped ship.
If either Moulton or Royston get elected & Cameron doesn't hold a referendum they should then go to the local party's & ask them what to do not say what they'd do before it's even happened or are they telling us they know we won't be getting a vote?
As A tory supporter leafletting on behalf of the Tory Party I will feel aggrieved if the person I helped get elected for the Tory Party Jumped ship. If either Moulton or Royston get elected & Cameron doesn't hold a referendum they should then go to the local party's & ask them what to do not say what they'd do before it's even happened or are they telling us they know we won't be getting a vote? loosehead
  • Score: 0

11:12pm Mon 16 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Nod wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us.

Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy!
did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.
Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.
Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble?
Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?
.... well at least he speaks the truth
No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron.
At least I have a sense of humour. Sadly lacking in some it seems.
Lazy name-calling isn't the same as having a sense of humour. Everyone who thinks they're being 'funny' by using names like Bliar, Milibland, C'moron, Clag etc. etc. is simply demonstrating that they're not capable of original thought. And say what you want, you won't be taken seriously as a potential parliamentary candidate if you keep on doing it. Or do you think it's fine, and more likely to win you the nomination? If so that tells us a lot about the calibre of UKIP candidates more generally.
No it just tells me you have very limited intelligence and do not understand humour.
Ducking the question yet again Alan. So in your view, the clichéd use of a tired old joke counts as 'humour'. If you were being original, you could be given the benefit of the doubt - but you're not, so it's not funny in the slightest: it simply demonstrates your lack of respect. It's what I'd expect from a sixth-former trying to be clever, not from someone who wants to be taken seriously as a politician, like you claim to do. Would Diane James, or Suzanne Evans, or Paul Nuttall, use it? I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself. I'm sure that's what the local UKIP party will do when it comes to selecting their candidate.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: If a life long Conservative doesn't trust Party leadership to do what it has promised then it seems obvious that voting for the Anti-EU UK Independence Party is the sensible decision for all of us. Come that election UKip will receive my vote. None of the main parties are trustworthy![/p][/quote]did you not read the article? he is offering to quit if a referendum doesn't happen because he IS confident that the referendum will be held.[/p][/quote]Reality is he is probably using the same disingenuous tactic that C'moron is using. Like the rest of us he knows it will not happen so is hedging his bets to get votes.[/p][/quote]Is it the behaviour of someone who seeks to represent Southampton Itchen in parliament to call the current prime minister a 'moron', Mr Kebble? Or is this a signal that you won't be standing for UKIP in 2015?[/p][/quote].... well at least he speaks the truth[/p][/quote]No, I don't agree. I'm not a Conservative supporter but I respect the office of the prime minister and I don't think name-calling helps the political debate one bit. Holding drastically opposing views to someone does not mean you have to consider them a moron.[/p][/quote]At least I have a sense of humour. Sadly lacking in some it seems.[/p][/quote]Lazy name-calling isn't the same as having a sense of humour. Everyone who thinks they're being 'funny' by using names like Bliar, Milibland, C'moron, Clag etc. etc. is simply demonstrating that they're not capable of original thought. And say what you want, you won't be taken seriously as a potential parliamentary candidate if you keep on doing it. Or do you think it's fine, and more likely to win you the nomination? If so that tells us a lot about the calibre of UKIP candidates more generally.[/p][/quote]No it just tells me you have very limited intelligence and do not understand humour.[/p][/quote]Ducking the question yet again Alan. So in your view, the clichéd use of a tired old joke counts as 'humour'. If you were being original, you could be given the benefit of the doubt - but you're not, so it's not funny in the slightest: it simply demonstrates your lack of respect. It's what I'd expect from a sixth-former trying to be clever, not from someone who wants to be taken seriously as a politician, like you claim to do. Would Diane James, or Suzanne Evans, or Paul Nuttall, use it? I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself. I'm sure that's what the local UKIP party will do when it comes to selecting their candidate. WalkingOnAWire
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7:01am Tue 17 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Good morning Loosehead, I respect you and your point of view.

In life you should not make promises you intend to deliver.

Have a great day.
Good morning Loosehead, I respect you and your point of view. In life you should not make promises you intend to deliver. Have a great day. aldermoorboy
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8:25am Tue 17 Jun 14

loosehead says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Good morning Loosehead, I respect you and your point of view.

In life you should not make promises you intend to deliver.

Have a great day.
Shall I take your quote as being sarcastic?
By either of the Tory candidates saying they'd resign & become independents if a referendum doesn't take place that's as if they already believe it won't happen.
If on the other hand they were elected & the referendum was scrapped & they went back to their local parties & told them they were resigning & the reasons why & the local party were in agreement as I've said I'd vote for them.
But isn't this jumping the gun?
Surely if your a Tory voter you won't be voting for an independent will you?
I get on with you but can't you see that as a voter I vote Tory not independent so the last thing I want is the person I vote for to jump ship.
I'll admit if the vote is dropped I'll no longer vote Tory & more than likely join UKIP but I'm giving trust to Cameron to deliver & with a Tory majority he will so we should be fighting for that.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Good morning Loosehead, I respect you and your point of view. In life you should not make promises you intend to deliver. Have a great day.[/p][/quote]Shall I take your quote as being sarcastic? By either of the Tory candidates saying they'd resign & become independents if a referendum doesn't take place that's as if they already believe it won't happen. If on the other hand they were elected & the referendum was scrapped & they went back to their local parties & told them they were resigning & the reasons why & the local party were in agreement as I've said I'd vote for them. But isn't this jumping the gun? Surely if your a Tory voter you won't be voting for an independent will you? I get on with you but can't you see that as a voter I vote Tory not independent so the last thing I want is the person I vote for to jump ship. I'll admit if the vote is dropped I'll no longer vote Tory & more than likely join UKIP but I'm giving trust to Cameron to deliver & with a Tory majority he will so we should be fighting for that. loosehead
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