Neighbours' lives blighted by crowing cockerels and quacking ducks in Hambledon

Cockerels

Cockerels

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Neighbours of a farm site had to live with the loud crowing and calling from three cockerels and numerous ducks for a 20-month period despite the landowner being served with two noise abatement orders, a court has heard.

Helen Rogers is accused of three offences of failing to comply with a noise abatement order served on St Peter's Farm in Church Lane, Hambledon by Winchester City Council (WCC) in November last year.

Sharon Evans, prosecuting, told Portsmouth Magistrates' Court that complaints about the 1.6-acre semi-rural site, which has no planning permission for residential use, were first received in March 2012 and, after investigations by the council, a noise abatement notice was served on the 57-year-old landowner.

This initial order was against a single cockerel but further inquiries found that ''multiple'' birds were involved and a replacement order was issued specifying that several birds were causing the problem for the neighbours.

Miss Evans said: ''It became apparent from this monitoring exercise there was clearly a cockerel crowing on the site and there were numerous noisy birds living on the property adding to the crowing and calling at the site.''

David Ingram, head of environmental health at WCC, said noise monitoring was carried out at the site following complaints being received from neighbours to the farm.

He said: ''There was constant crowing from multiple birds on the site.''

He added: ''The defendants were of the opinion that the birds were not causing a problem. They did initially suggest they would take steps to try to quieten the birds down; however, as a result of our subsequent investigations, evidence was gathered which we believe put them in breach of the abatement notice on three separate occasions.''

Mr Ingram said the steps proposed by Rogers and her son, Jamie Rogers, were to keep the birds in a box with a blanket on it to keep it dark and to only remove this after 7am.

He said there appeared to be a miniature Romany-style caravan on the site which was being used as a chicken coop.

Mr Ingram added: ''We have never said a bird crowing is going to constitute a statutory noise nuisance, we have maintained all along it's the amount of crowing and calling from the birds - there were at least three crowing cockerels on the site - and there were in addition to that a number of ducks introduced on to the site after we approached the Rogers about the cockerel issues.''

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4:48pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Frank28 says...

Fortunately for Ms Rogers, past Court cases have already set the legal precedent that it is not unreasonable for sounds of nature and agriculture to emanate from a farm. Nor is it unreasonable to find mud an water on farm tracks. Rather like living next to a Church will a bell tower, if you chose to live near a farm, expect to hear the associated noises. The Council should consider carefully that what they are doing does not amount to maladministration and injustice.
Fortunately for Ms Rogers, past Court cases have already set the legal precedent that it is not unreasonable for sounds of nature and agriculture to emanate from a farm. Nor is it unreasonable to find mud an water on farm tracks. Rather like living next to a Church will a bell tower, if you chose to live near a farm, expect to hear the associated noises. The Council should consider carefully that what they are doing does not amount to maladministration and injustice. Frank28
  • Score: 26

5:38pm Mon 23 Jun 14

loosehead says...

I don't get this A Farm shouldn't have Farm noises? Surely if you move next to a farm you know what to expect don't you?
I don't get this A Farm shouldn't have Farm noises? Surely if you move next to a farm you know what to expect don't you? loosehead
  • Score: 17

7:05pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

I had poultry on my small holding in Kent, with about 6 homes within close ear shot of my cockerel, no one complained as they expected it in the country. I had a couple of years before lived near a railway station and after a while got used to the noise and was able to sleep through it. Perhaps I should have sued British Rail.
I had poultry on my small holding in Kent, with about 6 homes within close ear shot of my cockerel, no one complained as they expected it in the country. I had a couple of years before lived near a railway station and after a while got used to the noise and was able to sleep through it. Perhaps I should have sued British Rail. Inform Al
  • Score: 9

7:47pm Mon 23 Jun 14

biggus2 says...

Obviously those in the Council chambers no nothing about the countryside. Just for their benefit can they come and sort out the pigeons that sit non my chimney and coo every morning at 4 am and the blackbirds that currenytly sing at dusk all through BGT (never mind nothing worth watching).
Obviously those in the Council chambers no nothing about the countryside. Just for their benefit can they come and sort out the pigeons that sit non my chimney and coo every morning at 4 am and the blackbirds that currenytly sing at dusk all through BGT (never mind nothing worth watching). biggus2
  • Score: 4

8:01pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Linesman says...

The stress caused by all those ducks, the neighbours must be Quacking up.
The stress caused by all those ducks, the neighbours must be Quacking up. Linesman
  • Score: -1

8:11pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Sir Ad E Noid says...

I think you will find a piece of land (1.6 Acres) with no house on is most definitely not a farm. Although I agree with putting up with the noise if you live next to a farm/church, in this case I do not think it applies. A shame really.
I think you will find a piece of land (1.6 Acres) with no house on is most definitely not a farm. Although I agree with putting up with the noise if you live next to a farm/church, in this case I do not think it applies. A shame really. Sir Ad E Noid
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Mon 23 Jun 14

loosehead says...

I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden.
This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean.
So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?
I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden. This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean. So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses? loosehead
  • Score: 3

10:09pm Mon 23 Jun 14

thinklikealocal says...

Frank28 wrote:
Fortunately for Ms Rogers, past Court cases have already set the legal precedent that it is not unreasonable for sounds of nature and agriculture to emanate from a farm. Nor is it unreasonable to find mud an water on farm tracks. Rather like living next to a Church will a bell tower, if you chose to live near a farm, expect to hear the associated noises. The Council should consider carefully that what they are doing does not amount to maladministration and injustice.
I'm sure you've taught those silly Council Officers who are qualified Solicitors and Environmental Health Officers a thing or two with your post....
[quote][p][bold]Frank28[/bold] wrote: Fortunately for Ms Rogers, past Court cases have already set the legal precedent that it is not unreasonable for sounds of nature and agriculture to emanate from a farm. Nor is it unreasonable to find mud an water on farm tracks. Rather like living next to a Church will a bell tower, if you chose to live near a farm, expect to hear the associated noises. The Council should consider carefully that what they are doing does not amount to maladministration and injustice.[/p][/quote]I'm sure you've taught those silly Council Officers who are qualified Solicitors and Environmental Health Officers a thing or two with your post.... thinklikealocal
  • Score: 0

10:14pm Mon 23 Jun 14

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden.
This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean.
So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?
Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden. This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean. So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?[/p][/quote]Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic. thinklikealocal
  • Score: -4

10:29pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Bagamn says...

This is trouble you get when "Townies" move from London to the country. They haven't got a clue where there breakfast bacon comes from.
This is trouble you get when "Townies" move from London to the country. They haven't got a clue where there breakfast bacon comes from. Bagamn
  • Score: 5

11:00pm Mon 23 Jun 14

sass says...

Bagamn wrote:
This is trouble you get when "Townies" move from London to the country. They haven't got a clue where there breakfast bacon comes from.
Their.
[quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: This is trouble you get when "Townies" move from London to the country. They haven't got a clue where there breakfast bacon comes from.[/p][/quote]Their. sass
  • Score: 2

12:26am Tue 24 Jun 14

huckit P says...

Gosh! Bird noises from rural land. Whatever next? Traffic noise from a motorway? Or maybe aircraft noise from an airport!. Even worse - noise and laughter from a childrens playground.
Silly as it might seem I did notice in the news last week that a childrens playground had been closed for 4 days out of 7 because of the noise from children and the equipment.
It seems people will complain about anything, never mind how silly it seems to the rests of us. They're just born whingers!
Gosh! Bird noises from rural land. Whatever next? Traffic noise from a motorway? Or maybe aircraft noise from an airport!. Even worse - noise and laughter from a childrens playground. Silly as it might seem I did notice in the news last week that a childrens playground had been closed for 4 days out of 7 because of the noise from children and the equipment. It seems people will complain about anything, never mind how silly it seems to the rests of us. They're just born whingers! huckit P
  • Score: 4

6:17am Tue 24 Jun 14

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden.
This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean.
So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?
Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic.
again a sarcastic remark from you? Any one else would work out what I was asking but not you?
Was there housing there before this person owned the land? how long has this land been used for farming? how long have the complaining neighbours been there ?
I live next to 5acres & if it was being used as a farm before I moved here I can't see I have any right to complain.
After watching a program where a guy rented out his bungalow to two ladies who supposedly had a couple of show dogs & one pet dog but really had 33 rottweillers in a garden no where as large as 1.6 acres I think these neighbours are lucky.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden. This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean. So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?[/p][/quote]Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic.[/p][/quote]again a sarcastic remark from you? Any one else would work out what I was asking but not you? Was there housing there before this person owned the land? how long has this land been used for farming? how long have the complaining neighbours been there ? I live next to 5acres & if it was being used as a farm before I moved here I can't see I have any right to complain. After watching a program where a guy rented out his bungalow to two ladies who supposedly had a couple of show dogs & one pet dog but really had 33 rottweillers in a garden no where as large as 1.6 acres I think these neighbours are lucky. loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:07am Tue 24 Jun 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden.
This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean.
So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?
Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic.
again a sarcastic remark from you? Any one else would work out what I was asking but not you?
Was there housing there before this person owned the land? how long has this land been used for farming? how long have the complaining neighbours been there ?
I live next to 5acres & if it was being used as a farm before I moved here I can't see I have any right to complain.
After watching a program where a guy rented out his bungalow to two ladies who supposedly had a couple of show dogs & one pet dog but really had 33 rottweillers in a garden no where as large as 1.6 acres I think these neighbours are lucky.
As you will most probably check to see what responses you have received, may I take the opportunity to ask you to type in 'sea city museum southampton' in your search engine, and check out what Wikipedia has to say about the cost, and where the money came from.

This is a non-political, unbiased, factual report, and it does not tally with what you have been claiming.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden. This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean. So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?[/p][/quote]Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic.[/p][/quote]again a sarcastic remark from you? Any one else would work out what I was asking but not you? Was there housing there before this person owned the land? how long has this land been used for farming? how long have the complaining neighbours been there ? I live next to 5acres & if it was being used as a farm before I moved here I can't see I have any right to complain. After watching a program where a guy rented out his bungalow to two ladies who supposedly had a couple of show dogs & one pet dog but really had 33 rottweillers in a garden no where as large as 1.6 acres I think these neighbours are lucky.[/p][/quote]As you will most probably check to see what responses you have received, may I take the opportunity to ask you to type in 'sea city museum southampton' in your search engine, and check out what Wikipedia has to say about the cost, and where the money came from. This is a non-political, unbiased, factual report, and it does not tally with what you have been claiming. Linesman
  • Score: -1

9:41am Tue 24 Jun 14

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden.
This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean.
So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?
Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic.
again a sarcastic remark from you? Any one else would work out what I was asking but not you?
Was there housing there before this person owned the land? how long has this land been used for farming? how long have the complaining neighbours been there ?
I live next to 5acres & if it was being used as a farm before I moved here I can't see I have any right to complain.
After watching a program where a guy rented out his bungalow to two ladies who supposedly had a couple of show dogs & one pet dog but really had 33 rottweillers in a garden no where as large as 1.6 acres I think these neighbours are lucky.
As you will most probably check to see what responses you have received, may I take the opportunity to ask you to type in 'sea city museum southampton' in your search engine, and check out what Wikipedia has to say about the cost, and where the money came from.

This is a non-political, unbiased, factual report, and it does not tally with what you have been claiming.
Dear oh dear, give it a rest, move on...
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden. This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean. So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?[/p][/quote]Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic.[/p][/quote]again a sarcastic remark from you? Any one else would work out what I was asking but not you? Was there housing there before this person owned the land? how long has this land been used for farming? how long have the complaining neighbours been there ? I live next to 5acres & if it was being used as a farm before I moved here I can't see I have any right to complain. After watching a program where a guy rented out his bungalow to two ladies who supposedly had a couple of show dogs & one pet dog but really had 33 rottweillers in a garden no where as large as 1.6 acres I think these neighbours are lucky.[/p][/quote]As you will most probably check to see what responses you have received, may I take the opportunity to ask you to type in 'sea city museum southampton' in your search engine, and check out what Wikipedia has to say about the cost, and where the money came from. This is a non-political, unbiased, factual report, and it does not tally with what you have been claiming.[/p][/quote]Dear oh dear, give it a rest, move on... Shoong
  • Score: 0

10:51am Tue 24 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden.
This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean.
So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?
Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic.
again a sarcastic remark from you? Any one else would work out what I was asking but not you?
Was there housing there before this person owned the land? how long has this land been used for farming? how long have the complaining neighbours been there ?
I live next to 5acres & if it was being used as a farm before I moved here I can't see I have any right to complain.
After watching a program where a guy rented out his bungalow to two ladies who supposedly had a couple of show dogs & one pet dog but really had 33 rottweillers in a garden no where as large as 1.6 acres I think these neighbours are lucky.
As you will most probably check to see what responses you have received, may I take the opportunity to ask you to type in 'sea city museum southampton' in your search engine, and check out what Wikipedia has to say about the cost, and where the money came from.

This is a non-political, unbiased, factual report, and it does not tally with what you have been claiming.
So what has the Sea City Museum got to do with this article or about people afraid to go to the gym?
I've worked it out before & now you've confirmed it your like an old vynil record player stuck playing the same piece of a tune because of a scratch so here we go again the same ole same so try changing the record.
(oh! who runs the council? who runs the sea city museum now? Labour per chance?)
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I live in a mid terraced house the end house(my neighbour) has had ducks & at one time a cockerel he now just has chickens in his garden. This isn't that big a garden & if any one knows of Lordshill they'll know what I mean. So i.6 acres is a huge piece of l;and in comparison but what was there first? the land or the next door houses?[/p][/quote]Well of course the land was always there first.... I mean let's face it, it was there before the dinosaurs (no pun intended).... Are you saying if you live next to a piece of land anyone can come along and start doing anything with it? And you have to put up with it because 'it's a piece if land'? Sorry, don't follow your logic.[/p][/quote]again a sarcastic remark from you? Any one else would work out what I was asking but not you? Was there housing there before this person owned the land? how long has this land been used for farming? how long have the complaining neighbours been there ? I live next to 5acres & if it was being used as a farm before I moved here I can't see I have any right to complain. After watching a program where a guy rented out his bungalow to two ladies who supposedly had a couple of show dogs & one pet dog but really had 33 rottweillers in a garden no where as large as 1.6 acres I think these neighbours are lucky.[/p][/quote]As you will most probably check to see what responses you have received, may I take the opportunity to ask you to type in 'sea city museum southampton' in your search engine, and check out what Wikipedia has to say about the cost, and where the money came from. This is a non-political, unbiased, factual report, and it does not tally with what you have been claiming.[/p][/quote]So what has the Sea City Museum got to do with this article or about people afraid to go to the gym? I've worked it out before & now you've confirmed it your like an old vynil record player stuck playing the same piece of a tune because of a scratch so here we go again the same ole same so try changing the record. (oh! who runs the council? who runs the sea city museum now? Labour per chance?) loosehead
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