Immigration Office stops Musa Gibba's brother from entering UK to donate kidney for life saving transplant

Daily Echo: Musa Gibba, who needs a life-saving kidney transplant Musa Gibba, who needs a life-saving kidney transplant

IT is one of the biggest sacrifices a brother could make.

Musa Gibba is in a race against time to find a donor for a lifesaving transplant.

So when brother Malick proved a match he was prepared to fly nearly 3,500 miles to Southampton to donate one of his kidneys to his older brother.

But his generosity has been crushed after immigration officials refused his application to temporarily enter Britain from West Africa.

Now Musa has made a desperate plea from his Southampton home for authorities to reconsider before it is too late.

Musa, 34, moved to Hampshire from his homeland The Gambia in 2007 to work in Eastleigh.

But disaster struck when the mechanic was diagnosed with kidney failure in 2009 by specialists at Queen Alexandra Hospital in Portsmouth.

He was put on the transplant waiting list and endures four-hour hospital dialysis sessions three days a week.

Daily Echo: Mus Gibba shows the letter which denies his brother from entering the UKThe letter refusing entry into the UK

The lengthy treatment and his failing health means he has been unable to work since 2010.

He has since separated from his wife, who lives with their four-year-old daughter in Eastleigh, and now relies heavily on cousin Mo Phatty to help with daily tasks.

Malick, 26, one of his two siblings, was confirmed as a donor in May last year.

Gambian hospitals are unable to carry out the procedure so Malick applied for a six-month permit to enter Britain for the operation on the NHS.

The period also covers time for post-surgery care and check-ups unavailable in his homeland.

But the Immigration Office ruled there was insufficient evidence he was intending to stay temporarily, despite Portsmouth Hospitals NHS Trust providing documents supporting his application.

Musa, said: “It’s heartbreaking. All I want is for brother to come over and save my life.

“After three years on the waiting list getting nowhere I was so excited and grateful to find a donor. Now day by day I am getting worse and running out of time.

“I have worked in this country and paid taxes and contributed to the country. But there are other people who don’t contribute and they can get help.”

He is appealing, but has condemned the authorities for demanding financial evidence such as payslips impossible for his brother to provide as he is paid cash in hand back home.

Musa, a Saints and Man City fan, was forced to give up playing Sunday League football and is too exhausted to do many activities with his daughter.

He added: “This condition has ruined my life. I would not wish what has happened to me on anyone. I just want to get back to being a normal dad again.

“If they can give me an organ, then fine, but otherwise all I want is for him to come to save me.”

A Home Office spokesman defended the decision.

He said: “All applications are considered on their individual merits, including any compelling and compassionate circumstances, and in line with the immigration rules.”

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9:52am Mon 30 Jun 14

derek james says...

a good example of the complete shambles the immigration system is in this country. i would imagine it would cost the country ,more in the long term if this man doesn't receive the donation from his brother
a good example of the complete shambles the immigration system is in this country. i would imagine it would cost the country ,more in the long term if this man doesn't receive the donation from his brother derek james
  • Score: 1

9:56am Mon 30 Jun 14

Woolston ollie says...

Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country Woolston ollie
  • Score: 14

10:25am Mon 30 Jun 14

Zootopian says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care. Zootopian
  • Score: 34

11:11am Mon 30 Jun 14

southy says...

Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
It would also be a good idea to let him come, it will show him what our services are about and he will that this with him when returning back home and talk to others and they will in the end be wanting the same as us.
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]It would also be a good idea to let him come, it will show him what our services are about and he will that this with him when returning back home and talk to others and they will in the end be wanting the same as us. southy
  • Score: -21

11:30am Mon 30 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
It would also be a good idea to let him come, it will show him what our services are about and he will that this with him when returning back home and talk to others and they will in the end be wanting the same as us.
In principle I agree with you but in reality it will put more and more strain on the NHS as greater numbers make their way to the UK to use a service designed to cope with the needs of an already overpopulated island. It's not an easy decision to make but it's a National not an International Health Service.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]It would also be a good idea to let him come, it will show him what our services are about and he will that this with him when returning back home and talk to others and they will in the end be wanting the same as us.[/p][/quote]In principle I agree with you but in reality it will put more and more strain on the NHS as greater numbers make their way to the UK to use a service designed to cope with the needs of an already overpopulated island. It's not an easy decision to make but it's a National not an International Health Service. Torchie1
  • Score: 29

11:30am Mon 30 Jun 14

Woolston ollie says...

Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Why should we pay for NHS care for someone from the Gambia i dont think for one minute when he is here he will want to go back home, you would be a fool to think otherwise.
As for getting ill abroad i go on holiday 3 or 4 times a year take out full medical insurance and own a E111 card so i will not be a burden to other countries if taken ill.
We cannot look after everybody in the world that is sick, we cannot cope with what we have here now.
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Why should we pay for NHS care for someone from the Gambia i dont think for one minute when he is here he will want to go back home, you would be a fool to think otherwise. As for getting ill abroad i go on holiday 3 or 4 times a year take out full medical insurance and own a E111 card so i will not be a burden to other countries if taken ill. We cannot look after everybody in the world that is sick, we cannot cope with what we have here now. Woolston ollie
  • Score: 26

11:36am Mon 30 Jun 14

shirlski says...

A bit of biased emotive reporting! Brothers 'generosity crushed' by those nasty immigration officials who just won't open the door to the world and his wife to come on in and stake your claim (claim being the operative word). Anyway Musa (like it or not) has a right to N.H.S treatment so as long as Malik comes and gives his kidney and returns to Gambia I can't see a problem. The question is will Malik 'develop' a reason why he must stay in the U.K once he's here?
A bit of biased emotive reporting! Brothers 'generosity crushed' by those nasty immigration officials who just won't open the door to the world and his wife to come on in and stake your claim (claim being the operative word). Anyway Musa (like it or not) has a right to N.H.S treatment so as long as Malik comes and gives his kidney and returns to Gambia I can't see a problem. The question is will Malik 'develop' a reason why he must stay in the U.K once he's here? shirlski
  • Score: 21

11:43am Mon 30 Jun 14

Zootopian says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Why should we pay for NHS care for someone from the Gambia i dont think for one minute when he is here he will want to go back home, you would be a fool to think otherwise.
As for getting ill abroad i go on holiday 3 or 4 times a year take out full medical insurance and own a E111 card so i will not be a burden to other countries if taken ill.
We cannot look after everybody in the world that is sick, we cannot cope with what we have here now.
Musa is a taxpayer in this country. He is entitled to be treatment on the NHS - he has paid taxes in this country, so has the exact same entitlement to it as you or any one else in this country.

An E111 card (or rather, their EHIC replacements as they were phased out years ago) won't help you if you go outside Europe. Why should, for example, a hospital in America or Turkey, help you if your travel insurance won't cover something? You'd be a burden to them, certainly as travel insurance certainly won't cover every eventuality?

Ultimately, the decision has nothing to do with the NHS - they support the brother coming in, as evidenced by their supporting his attempts at entry.

It's just bureaucracy based on nothing more than arbitrary limits.
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Why should we pay for NHS care for someone from the Gambia i dont think for one minute when he is here he will want to go back home, you would be a fool to think otherwise. As for getting ill abroad i go on holiday 3 or 4 times a year take out full medical insurance and own a E111 card so i will not be a burden to other countries if taken ill. We cannot look after everybody in the world that is sick, we cannot cope with what we have here now.[/p][/quote]Musa is a taxpayer in this country. He is entitled to be treatment on the NHS - he has paid taxes in this country, so has the exact same entitlement to it as you or any one else in this country. An E111 card (or rather, their EHIC replacements as they were phased out years ago) won't help you if you go outside Europe. Why should, for example, a hospital in America or Turkey, help you if your travel insurance won't cover something? You'd be a burden to them, certainly as travel insurance certainly won't cover every eventuality? Ultimately, the decision has nothing to do with the NHS - they support the brother coming in, as evidenced by their supporting his attempts at entry. It's just bureaucracy based on nothing more than arbitrary limits. Zootopian
  • Score: -13

11:54am Mon 30 Jun 14

BANJOED says...

Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants. BANJOED
  • Score: 27

12:03pm Mon 30 Jun 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
It would also be a good idea to let him come, it will show him what our services are about and he will that this with him when returning back home and talk to others and they will in the end be wanting the same as us.
In principle I agree with you but in reality it will put more and more strain on the NHS as greater numbers make their way to the UK to use a service designed to cope with the needs of an already overpopulated island. It's not an easy decision to make but it's a National not an International Health Service.
If you want change then you need to show what change can mean and first hand experence is all ways the best way, When he returns home he will talk to others about what is left our services before they are fully privatise.
If we don't and no one talks to others in there own country and they don't get change then you will get higher numbers coming here and the only way to stop higher numbers is to show what we have got so they can force change in there own country.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]It would also be a good idea to let him come, it will show him what our services are about and he will that this with him when returning back home and talk to others and they will in the end be wanting the same as us.[/p][/quote]In principle I agree with you but in reality it will put more and more strain on the NHS as greater numbers make their way to the UK to use a service designed to cope with the needs of an already overpopulated island. It's not an easy decision to make but it's a National not an International Health Service.[/p][/quote]If you want change then you need to show what change can mean and first hand experence is all ways the best way, When he returns home he will talk to others about what is left our services before they are fully privatise. If we don't and no one talks to others in there own country and they don't get change then you will get higher numbers coming here and the only way to stop higher numbers is to show what we have got so they can force change in there own country. southy
  • Score: -18

12:06pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Zootopian says...

BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head.

Well done you.
[quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.[/p][/quote]So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head. Well done you. Zootopian
  • Score: -10

12:43pm Mon 30 Jun 14

wwozzer says...

There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too?

As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country.
There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too? As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country. wwozzer
  • Score: 25

12:48pm Mon 30 Jun 14

sotonboy84 says...

Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Why should we pay for NHS care for someone from the Gambia i dont think for one minute when he is here he will want to go back home, you would be a fool to think otherwise.
As for getting ill abroad i go on holiday 3 or 4 times a year take out full medical insurance and own a E111 card so i will not be a burden to other countries if taken ill.
We cannot look after everybody in the world that is sick, we cannot cope with what we have here now.
Musa is a taxpayer in this country. He is entitled to be treatment on the NHS - he has paid taxes in this country, so has the exact same entitlement to it as you or any one else in this country.

An E111 card (or rather, their EHIC replacements as they were phased out years ago) won't help you if you go outside Europe. Why should, for example, a hospital in America or Turkey, help you if your travel insurance won't cover something? You'd be a burden to them, certainly as travel insurance certainly won't cover every eventuality?

Ultimately, the decision has nothing to do with the NHS - they support the brother coming in, as evidenced by their supporting his attempts at entry.

It's just bureaucracy based on nothing more than arbitrary limits.
The EHIC covers medical treatment in Europe. Insurance is taken out by an individual to cover the treatment they might require in the country they're visiting. Your comments about travel insurance not covering care in certain country's is irrelevent and hypothetical because if a traveller takes out the correct cover, they''ll be insured.

There's two sides to every stories and immigration controls are there for a reason and in this case it appears that Malick Gibba can't provide the details that immigration needs.

There's many comments on here claiming the immigration system is a shambles and he's entitled to treatment etc. but the question has to be asked why he cannot have this operation in Gambia? There is no deeper explanation in this story other than "he can't" which suggests there's more to this story. I don't believe that Gambia can't do this operation because how does anybody else needing a trasnplant get it. Could it be that it's down to cost as Britian would provide it for "free"?
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Why should we pay for NHS care for someone from the Gambia i dont think for one minute when he is here he will want to go back home, you would be a fool to think otherwise. As for getting ill abroad i go on holiday 3 or 4 times a year take out full medical insurance and own a E111 card so i will not be a burden to other countries if taken ill. We cannot look after everybody in the world that is sick, we cannot cope with what we have here now.[/p][/quote]Musa is a taxpayer in this country. He is entitled to be treatment on the NHS - he has paid taxes in this country, so has the exact same entitlement to it as you or any one else in this country. An E111 card (or rather, their EHIC replacements as they were phased out years ago) won't help you if you go outside Europe. Why should, for example, a hospital in America or Turkey, help you if your travel insurance won't cover something? You'd be a burden to them, certainly as travel insurance certainly won't cover every eventuality? Ultimately, the decision has nothing to do with the NHS - they support the brother coming in, as evidenced by their supporting his attempts at entry. It's just bureaucracy based on nothing more than arbitrary limits.[/p][/quote]The EHIC covers medical treatment in Europe. Insurance is taken out by an individual to cover the treatment they might require in the country they're visiting. Your comments about travel insurance not covering care in certain country's is irrelevent and hypothetical because if a traveller takes out the correct cover, they''ll be insured. There's two sides to every stories and immigration controls are there for a reason and in this case it appears that Malick Gibba can't provide the details that immigration needs. There's many comments on here claiming the immigration system is a shambles and he's entitled to treatment etc. but the question has to be asked why he cannot have this operation in Gambia? There is no deeper explanation in this story other than "he can't" which suggests there's more to this story. I don't believe that Gambia can't do this operation because how does anybody else needing a trasnplant get it. Could it be that it's down to cost as Britian would provide it for "free"? sotonboy84
  • Score: 19

12:48pm Mon 30 Jun 14

BANJOED says...

Zootopian wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head.

Well done you.
I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.[/p][/quote]So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head. Well done you.[/p][/quote]I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket. BANJOED
  • Score: 29

1:24pm Mon 30 Jun 14

tootle says...

They fly organs long distance. Surely removing in Gambia, installing in UK would be easiest and cheapest for all - assuming it is possible? Otherwise let him come and donate - makes one more dialysis space available and puts one more worker back looking for a job.
They fly organs long distance. Surely removing in Gambia, installing in UK would be easiest and cheapest for all - assuming it is possible? Otherwise let him come and donate - makes one more dialysis space available and puts one more worker back looking for a job. tootle
  • Score: 9

1:27pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
It would also be a good idea to let him come, it will show him what our services are about and he will that this with him when returning back home and talk to others and they will in the end be wanting the same as us.
In principle I agree with you but in reality it will put more and more strain on the NHS as greater numbers make their way to the UK to use a service designed to cope with the needs of an already overpopulated island. It's not an easy decision to make but it's a National not an International Health Service.
If you want change then you need to show what change can mean and first hand experence is all ways the best way, When he returns home he will talk to others about what is left our services before they are fully privatise.
If we don't and no one talks to others in there own country and they don't get change then you will get higher numbers coming here and the only way to stop higher numbers is to show what we have got so they can force change in there own country.
Rubbish, they'll just come over here.

Very naive.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]It would also be a good idea to let him come, it will show him what our services are about and he will that this with him when returning back home and talk to others and they will in the end be wanting the same as us.[/p][/quote]In principle I agree with you but in reality it will put more and more strain on the NHS as greater numbers make their way to the UK to use a service designed to cope with the needs of an already overpopulated island. It's not an easy decision to make but it's a National not an International Health Service.[/p][/quote]If you want change then you need to show what change can mean and first hand experence is all ways the best way, When he returns home he will talk to others about what is left our services before they are fully privatise. If we don't and no one talks to others in there own country and they don't get change then you will get higher numbers coming here and the only way to stop higher numbers is to show what we have got so they can force change in there own country.[/p][/quote]Rubbish, they'll just come over here. Very naive. Shoong
  • Score: 11

1:28pm Mon 30 Jun 14

southy says...

BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head.

Well done you.
I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.
Its a long way from the truth, The NHS is not being abuse by foreigners that is a lie that the far right spin about for you to believe in. Its to our avantage for overseas patients to use our NHS they go back to there own country and talk about it and they start wondering why don't there country have the same thing and when enough people want change they will change in it in there country.
Another lie spin about by the far right is the number of immigrants we get in this country most that come here are Asian Students who will return back home after 4 or 5 years here, many train here to take the skills back home with them
[quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.[/p][/quote]So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head. Well done you.[/p][/quote]I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.[/p][/quote]Its a long way from the truth, The NHS is not being abuse by foreigners that is a lie that the far right spin about for you to believe in. Its to our avantage for overseas patients to use our NHS they go back to there own country and talk about it and they start wondering why don't there country have the same thing and when enough people want change they will change in it in there country. Another lie spin about by the far right is the number of immigrants we get in this country most that come here are Asian Students who will return back home after 4 or 5 years here, many train here to take the skills back home with them southy
  • Score: -31

1:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

From the sidelines says...

Why has this man come to the UK from Gambia to be a mechanic? Has the UK run out of mechanics? Does he have skills that are in short supply?

I doubt it.

It appears he's worked for three years. Setting aside that it's probably more than many in the UK have worked, he's hardly covering his costs.

Perhaps the real problem is the backwards nature of Gambia, that he can't get treatment in his homeland.
Why has this man come to the UK from Gambia to be a mechanic? Has the UK run out of mechanics? Does he have skills that are in short supply? I doubt it. It appears he's worked for three years. Setting aside that it's probably more than many in the UK have worked, he's hardly covering his costs. Perhaps the real problem is the backwards nature of Gambia, that he can't get treatment in his homeland. From the sidelines
  • Score: 20

1:40pm Mon 30 Jun 14

killared says...

BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head.

Well done you.
I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.
Banjoed the racist guy is awake yeahhh ! But when he goes to Europe and something happen to him he's really happy to use their Health care and go home knowing that he didn't pay a single penny there
[quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.[/p][/quote]So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head. Well done you.[/p][/quote]I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.[/p][/quote]Banjoed the racist guy is awake yeahhh ! But when he goes to Europe and something happen to him he's really happy to use their Health care and go home knowing that he didn't pay a single penny there killared
  • Score: -14

1:54pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Georgethepie says...

Why is he even in the UK this is a very sad story but are we really that short of mechanics. Answer No
Still I'm sure some idiot from the Labour Party is cueing up to add support.

The NHS will collapse under its own weight soon thus we will all lose out.
Will we all be so quick to support overseas visitors then.
Why is he even in the UK this is a very sad story but are we really that short of mechanics. Answer No Still I'm sure some idiot from the Labour Party is cueing up to add support. The NHS will collapse under its own weight soon thus we will all lose out. Will we all be so quick to support overseas visitors then. Georgethepie
  • Score: 15

2:00pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Linesman says...

Georgethepie wrote:
Why is he even in the UK this is a very sad story but are we really that short of mechanics. Answer No
Still I'm sure some idiot from the Labour Party is cueing up to add support.

The NHS will collapse under its own weight soon thus we will all lose out.
Will we all be so quick to support overseas visitors then.
He has been working here and paying his NHS contributions.

How can the NHS collapse under its own weight, when David Cameron promised us that 'the NHS will be safe in our hands' when he was electioneering?

We have always been known as a Caring Nation.

Under the present Tory-led coalition government, it is becoming apparent that it is a 'don't care' government, unless you are part of the Chipping Norton Set.
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Why is he even in the UK this is a very sad story but are we really that short of mechanics. Answer No Still I'm sure some idiot from the Labour Party is cueing up to add support. The NHS will collapse under its own weight soon thus we will all lose out. Will we all be so quick to support overseas visitors then.[/p][/quote]He has been working here and paying his NHS contributions. How can the NHS collapse under its own weight, when David Cameron promised us that 'the NHS will be safe in our hands' when he was electioneering? We have always been known as a Caring Nation. Under the present Tory-led coalition government, it is becoming apparent that it is a 'don't care' government, unless you are part of the Chipping Norton Set. Linesman
  • Score: -13

2:06pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

killared wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head.

Well done you.
I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.
Banjoed the racist guy is awake yeahhh ! But when he goes to Europe and something happen to him he's really happy to use their Health care and go home knowing that he didn't pay a single penny there
Banjoed is enjoying the results of intergovernmental agreements that allow free medical treatment when in certain countrys overseas. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the benefits of the European Health Insurance Card.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.[/p][/quote]So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head. Well done you.[/p][/quote]I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.[/p][/quote]Banjoed the racist guy is awake yeahhh ! But when he goes to Europe and something happen to him he's really happy to use their Health care and go home knowing that he didn't pay a single penny there[/p][/quote]Banjoed is enjoying the results of intergovernmental agreements that allow free medical treatment when in certain countrys overseas. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the benefits of the European Health Insurance Card. Torchie1
  • Score: -5

2:28pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Gristy says...

shirlski wrote:
A bit of biased emotive reporting! Brothers 'generosity crushed' by those nasty immigration officials who just won't open the door to the world and his wife to come on in and stake your claim (claim being the operative word). Anyway Musa (like it or not) has a right to N.H.S treatment so as long as Malik comes and gives his kidney and returns to Gambia I can't see a problem. The question is will Malik 'develop' a reason why he must stay in the U.K once he's here?
Well I reckon it is 100% certain that brother plus extended family will all use the excuse to "move" to Britain en mass once brother arrives.
Are we beginning to learn at last to close those open flood gates that the Blair government opened causing the indigenous peoples such trouble and strife?
[quote][p][bold]shirlski[/bold] wrote: A bit of biased emotive reporting! Brothers 'generosity crushed' by those nasty immigration officials who just won't open the door to the world and his wife to come on in and stake your claim (claim being the operative word). Anyway Musa (like it or not) has a right to N.H.S treatment so as long as Malik comes and gives his kidney and returns to Gambia I can't see a problem. The question is will Malik 'develop' a reason why he must stay in the U.K once he's here?[/p][/quote]Well I reckon it is 100% certain that brother plus extended family will all use the excuse to "move" to Britain en mass once brother arrives. Are we beginning to learn at last to close those open flood gates that the Blair government opened causing the indigenous peoples such trouble and strife? Gristy
  • Score: 24

3:00pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Woolston ollie says...

From the sidelines wrote:
Why has this man come to the UK from Gambia to be a mechanic? Has the UK run out of mechanics? Does he have skills that are in short supply? I doubt it. It appears he's worked for three years. Setting aside that it's probably more than many in the UK have worked, he's hardly covering his costs. Perhaps the real problem is the backwards nature of Gambia, that he can't get treatment in his homeland.
He came here in 2007 and worked for 3 years as a mechanic so what has he been doing for the last 4 years, he will probably be claiming everthing he can get. His cousin is probably claiming to to his carer. It states he as paid his dues but for how long did he pay into the system,he already has had thousands of pounds of free treatment paid for him by the working people of this country.
Then he wants us to pay for his bloody brother as well.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: Why has this man come to the UK from Gambia to be a mechanic? Has the UK run out of mechanics? Does he have skills that are in short supply? I doubt it. It appears he's worked for three years. Setting aside that it's probably more than many in the UK have worked, he's hardly covering his costs. Perhaps the real problem is the backwards nature of Gambia, that he can't get treatment in his homeland.[/p][/quote]He came here in 2007 and worked for 3 years as a mechanic so what has he been doing for the last 4 years, he will probably be claiming everthing he can get. His cousin is probably claiming to to his carer. It states he as paid his dues but for how long did he pay into the system,he already has had thousands of pounds of free treatment paid for him by the working people of this country. Then he wants us to pay for his bloody brother as well. Woolston ollie
  • Score: 26

3:08pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Georgethepie says...

Linesman wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
Why is he even in the UK this is a very sad story but are we really that short of mechanics. Answer No
Still I'm sure some idiot from the Labour Party is cueing up to add support.

The NHS will collapse under its own weight soon thus we will all lose out.
Will we all be so quick to support overseas visitors then.
He has been working here and paying his NHS contributions.

How can the NHS collapse under its own weight, when David Cameron promised us that 'the NHS will be safe in our hands' when he was electioneering?

We have always been known as a Caring Nation.

Under the present Tory-led coalition government, it is becoming apparent that it is a 'don't care' government, unless you are part of the Chipping Norton Set.
We will end with a system like they have in the USA. We will all be paying insurance in order to obtain healthcare.
How will you and others feel then?
Stands to reason with a population that is ever growing the system will buckle.
But if the PC brigade are happy with that let them all in and give them everything they need.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Why is he even in the UK this is a very sad story but are we really that short of mechanics. Answer No Still I'm sure some idiot from the Labour Party is cueing up to add support. The NHS will collapse under its own weight soon thus we will all lose out. Will we all be so quick to support overseas visitors then.[/p][/quote]He has been working here and paying his NHS contributions. How can the NHS collapse under its own weight, when David Cameron promised us that 'the NHS will be safe in our hands' when he was electioneering? We have always been known as a Caring Nation. Under the present Tory-led coalition government, it is becoming apparent that it is a 'don't care' government, unless you are part of the Chipping Norton Set.[/p][/quote]We will end with a system like they have in the USA. We will all be paying insurance in order to obtain healthcare. How will you and others feel then? Stands to reason with a population that is ever growing the system will buckle. But if the PC brigade are happy with that let them all in and give them everything they need. Georgethepie
  • Score: 11

3:13pm Mon 30 Jun 14

shirlski says...

Musa...3 years paying taxes as a Mechanic in exchange for Disability Benefit for at least past four years, two lots of housing benefits for himself and separated wife and child, carers allowance for cousin Mo and the cost of all his treatment from the N.H.S. Immigration at the current level is crippling the economy, the detriments far outweigh the benefits.
Musa...3 years paying taxes as a Mechanic in exchange for Disability Benefit for at least past four years, two lots of housing benefits for himself and separated wife and child, carers allowance for cousin Mo and the cost of all his treatment from the N.H.S. Immigration at the current level is crippling the economy, the detriments far outweigh the benefits. shirlski
  • Score: 22

3:20pm Mon 30 Jun 14

sotonboy84 says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
Why has this man come to the UK from Gambia to be a mechanic? Has the UK run out of mechanics? Does he have skills that are in short supply? I doubt it. It appears he's worked for three years. Setting aside that it's probably more than many in the UK have worked, he's hardly covering his costs. Perhaps the real problem is the backwards nature of Gambia, that he can't get treatment in his homeland.
He came here in 2007 and worked for 3 years as a mechanic so what has he been doing for the last 4 years, he will probably be claiming everthing he can get. His cousin is probably claiming to to his carer. It states he as paid his dues but for how long did he pay into the system,he already has had thousands of pounds of free treatment paid for him by the working people of this country.
Then he wants us to pay for his bloody brother as well.
And importantly, a lot of people on here seem to be missing the point.

The man is being treated by the NHS in the same way that the next person would be, British born or not.

If a British born person found a willing organ donar outside of the EU then the same immigration rules would apply.

Still the question should be asked "why" he can't be treated in Gambia. Saying he can't with no explanation isn't good enough.
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: Why has this man come to the UK from Gambia to be a mechanic? Has the UK run out of mechanics? Does he have skills that are in short supply? I doubt it. It appears he's worked for three years. Setting aside that it's probably more than many in the UK have worked, he's hardly covering his costs. Perhaps the real problem is the backwards nature of Gambia, that he can't get treatment in his homeland.[/p][/quote]He came here in 2007 and worked for 3 years as a mechanic so what has he been doing for the last 4 years, he will probably be claiming everthing he can get. His cousin is probably claiming to to his carer. It states he as paid his dues but for how long did he pay into the system,he already has had thousands of pounds of free treatment paid for him by the working people of this country. Then he wants us to pay for his bloody brother as well.[/p][/quote]And importantly, a lot of people on here seem to be missing the point. The man is being treated by the NHS in the same way that the next person would be, British born or not. If a British born person found a willing organ donar outside of the EU then the same immigration rules would apply. Still the question should be asked "why" he can't be treated in Gambia. Saying he can't with no explanation isn't good enough. sotonboy84
  • Score: 15

3:24pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ju_ju68 says...

well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment?? ju_ju68
  • Score: -2

3:33pm Mon 30 Jun 14

sotonboy84 says...

ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
Vile for questioning why this man can't have the operation in his home country & vile for discussing the abuse of the NHS?

When natives of this country can't have the latest cancer treatment due to cost questions like these have to be asked.
[quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]Vile for questioning why this man can't have the operation in his home country & vile for discussing the abuse of the NHS? When natives of this country can't have the latest cancer treatment due to cost questions like these have to be asked. sotonboy84
  • Score: 13

3:46pm Mon 30 Jun 14

killared says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
Why has this man come to the UK from Gambia to be a mechanic? Has the UK run out of mechanics? Does he have skills that are in short supply? I doubt it. It appears he's worked for three years. Setting aside that it's probably more than many in the UK have worked, he's hardly covering his costs. Perhaps the real problem is the backwards nature of Gambia, that he can't get treatment in his homeland.
He came here in 2007 and worked for 3 years as a mechanic so what has he been doing for the last 4 years, he will probably be claiming everthing he can get. His cousin is probably claiming to to his carer. It states he as paid his dues but for how long did he pay into the system,he already has had thousands of pounds of free treatment paid for him by the working people of this country.
Then he wants us to pay for his bloody brother as well.
And importantly, a lot of people on here seem to be missing the point.

The man is being treated by the NHS in the same way that the next person would be, British born or not.

If a British born person found a willing organ donar outside of the EU then the same immigration rules would apply.

Still the question should be asked "why" he can't be treated in Gambia. Saying he can't with no explanation isn't good enough.
I don't know if you had a look at the article or just jump into the comment section, but Gambia can't do transplant.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: Why has this man come to the UK from Gambia to be a mechanic? Has the UK run out of mechanics? Does he have skills that are in short supply? I doubt it. It appears he's worked for three years. Setting aside that it's probably more than many in the UK have worked, he's hardly covering his costs. Perhaps the real problem is the backwards nature of Gambia, that he can't get treatment in his homeland.[/p][/quote]He came here in 2007 and worked for 3 years as a mechanic so what has he been doing for the last 4 years, he will probably be claiming everthing he can get. His cousin is probably claiming to to his carer. It states he as paid his dues but for how long did he pay into the system,he already has had thousands of pounds of free treatment paid for him by the working people of this country. Then he wants us to pay for his bloody brother as well.[/p][/quote]And importantly, a lot of people on here seem to be missing the point. The man is being treated by the NHS in the same way that the next person would be, British born or not. If a British born person found a willing organ donar outside of the EU then the same immigration rules would apply. Still the question should be asked "why" he can't be treated in Gambia. Saying he can't with no explanation isn't good enough.[/p][/quote]I don't know if you had a look at the article or just jump into the comment section, but Gambia can't do transplant. killared
  • Score: -4

3:51pm Mon 30 Jun 14

shirlski says...

ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
The N.H.S is not a bottomless pit of money. Putting aside the sadness of any situation where someone is suffering a life threatening illness you must look at it from a dispassionate economic viewpoint, and the simple fact is the country and N.H.S just cannot afford to be the free to use Hospital for the worlds sick to just hop on a boat/plane/train and abuse,and abuse it they do in ever increasing numbers.
[quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]The N.H.S is not a bottomless pit of money. Putting aside the sadness of any situation where someone is suffering a life threatening illness you must look at it from a dispassionate economic viewpoint, and the simple fact is the country and N.H.S just cannot afford to be the free to use Hospital for the worlds sick to just hop on a boat/plane/train and abuse,and abuse it they do in ever increasing numbers. shirlski
  • Score: 14

3:56pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ju_ju68 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
Vile for questioning why this man can't have the operation in his home country & vile for discussing the abuse of the NHS?

When natives of this country can't have the latest cancer treatment due to cost questions like these have to be asked.
I think you will find most of the people who mis- use the NHS are British, those who choose to smoke and drink to excess, and then expect the nhs to fix all their self induced medical problems, those who over eat, against all the best advice, to then get type 2 diabetes, heart problems these are the ones who should be questioned as to their use of NHS funds. Then perhaps everyone could get the treatment they deserve. I say vile, as a lot of people commenting one here do not appear to have applied any humanity to their argument, This is another human, who needs help, not a faceless number. And as for "going home" for treatment, why should he? this is his home, and he has paid tax here, having the operation will in the long run save the country money. Dialysis treatment is not readily available in many African nations, and I would doubt that they are awash with transplant surgeons. So probably, sending him"home" would condemn him to death. we are lucky in this country to have an excellent health service, I have grown up for the last 40 years in hospitals, and heard horror stories about being chronically ill in other countries, and I know how lucky I am to have been born here.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]Vile for questioning why this man can't have the operation in his home country & vile for discussing the abuse of the NHS? When natives of this country can't have the latest cancer treatment due to cost questions like these have to be asked.[/p][/quote]I think you will find most of the people who mis- use the NHS are British, those who choose to smoke and drink to excess, and then expect the nhs to fix all their self induced medical problems, those who over eat, against all the best advice, to then get type 2 diabetes, heart problems these are the ones who should be questioned as to their use of NHS funds. Then perhaps everyone could get the treatment they deserve. I say vile, as a lot of people commenting one here do not appear to have applied any humanity to their argument, This is another human, who needs help, not a faceless number. And as for "going home" for treatment, why should he? this is his home, and he has paid tax here, having the operation will in the long run save the country money. Dialysis treatment is not readily available in many African nations, and I would doubt that they are awash with transplant surgeons. So probably, sending him"home" would condemn him to death. we are lucky in this country to have an excellent health service, I have grown up for the last 40 years in hospitals, and heard horror stories about being chronically ill in other countries, and I know how lucky I am to have been born here. ju_ju68
  • Score: -10

4:05pm Mon 30 Jun 14

killared says...

ju_ju68 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
Vile for questioning why this man can't have the operation in his home country & vile for discussing the abuse of the NHS?

When natives of this country can't have the latest cancer treatment due to cost questions like these have to be asked.
I think you will find most of the people who mis- use the NHS are British, those who choose to smoke and drink to excess, and then expect the nhs to fix all their self induced medical problems, those who over eat, against all the best advice, to then get type 2 diabetes, heart problems these are the ones who should be questioned as to their use of NHS funds. Then perhaps everyone could get the treatment they deserve. I say vile, as a lot of people commenting one here do not appear to have applied any humanity to their argument, This is another human, who needs help, not a faceless number. And as for "going home" for treatment, why should he? this is his home, and he has paid tax here, having the operation will in the long run save the country money. Dialysis treatment is not readily available in many African nations, and I would doubt that they are awash with transplant surgeons. So probably, sending him"home" would condemn him to death. we are lucky in this country to have an excellent health service, I have grown up for the last 40 years in hospitals, and heard horror stories about being chronically ill in other countries, and I know how lucky I am to have been born here.
You are so right for example the Brits who live abroad like in France, Spain, Malta, Cyprus, Greece and Portugal and decide to come home just to see their GP or dentist these people are the real culprits not that guy. If could have his transplant trust me he would be at work within a week. He probably work more in his life than the people in Shirley tower,Millbrook , Thornhill , Lordshill estate.
[quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]Vile for questioning why this man can't have the operation in his home country & vile for discussing the abuse of the NHS? When natives of this country can't have the latest cancer treatment due to cost questions like these have to be asked.[/p][/quote]I think you will find most of the people who mis- use the NHS are British, those who choose to smoke and drink to excess, and then expect the nhs to fix all their self induced medical problems, those who over eat, against all the best advice, to then get type 2 diabetes, heart problems these are the ones who should be questioned as to their use of NHS funds. Then perhaps everyone could get the treatment they deserve. I say vile, as a lot of people commenting one here do not appear to have applied any humanity to their argument, This is another human, who needs help, not a faceless number. And as for "going home" for treatment, why should he? this is his home, and he has paid tax here, having the operation will in the long run save the country money. Dialysis treatment is not readily available in many African nations, and I would doubt that they are awash with transplant surgeons. So probably, sending him"home" would condemn him to death. we are lucky in this country to have an excellent health service, I have grown up for the last 40 years in hospitals, and heard horror stories about being chronically ill in other countries, and I know how lucky I am to have been born here.[/p][/quote]You are so right for example the Brits who live abroad like in France, Spain, Malta, Cyprus, Greece and Portugal and decide to come home just to see their GP or dentist these people are the real culprits not that guy. If could have his transplant trust me he would be at work within a week. He probably work more in his life than the people in Shirley tower,Millbrook , Thornhill , Lordshill estate. killared
  • Score: -11

4:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Linesman says...

Georgethepie wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
Why is he even in the UK this is a very sad story but are we really that short of mechanics. Answer No
Still I'm sure some idiot from the Labour Party is cueing up to add support.

The NHS will collapse under its own weight soon thus we will all lose out.
Will we all be so quick to support overseas visitors then.
He has been working here and paying his NHS contributions.

How can the NHS collapse under its own weight, when David Cameron promised us that 'the NHS will be safe in our hands' when he was electioneering?

We have always been known as a Caring Nation.

Under the present Tory-led coalition government, it is becoming apparent that it is a 'don't care' government, unless you are part of the Chipping Norton Set.
We will end with a system like they have in the USA. We will all be paying insurance in order to obtain healthcare.
How will you and others feel then?
Stands to reason with a population that is ever growing the system will buckle.
But if the PC brigade are happy with that let them all in and give them everything they need.
We are heading that way because the Tories are privatising the NHS by stealth.

In this instance, the patient has been paying his NHS contributions since he arrived here, so is entitled to treatment on the NHS.

His brother would be here, not as an immigrant, but as a person who values his brother's life, and is prepared to donate one of his own kidneys so that he can prolong that life.

Of course, a selfish person would have difficulty understanding that situation.
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Why is he even in the UK this is a very sad story but are we really that short of mechanics. Answer No Still I'm sure some idiot from the Labour Party is cueing up to add support. The NHS will collapse under its own weight soon thus we will all lose out. Will we all be so quick to support overseas visitors then.[/p][/quote]He has been working here and paying his NHS contributions. How can the NHS collapse under its own weight, when David Cameron promised us that 'the NHS will be safe in our hands' when he was electioneering? We have always been known as a Caring Nation. Under the present Tory-led coalition government, it is becoming apparent that it is a 'don't care' government, unless you are part of the Chipping Norton Set.[/p][/quote]We will end with a system like they have in the USA. We will all be paying insurance in order to obtain healthcare. How will you and others feel then? Stands to reason with a population that is ever growing the system will buckle. But if the PC brigade are happy with that let them all in and give them everything they need.[/p][/quote]We are heading that way because the Tories are privatising the NHS by stealth. In this instance, the patient has been paying his NHS contributions since he arrived here, so is entitled to treatment on the NHS. His brother would be here, not as an immigrant, but as a person who values his brother's life, and is prepared to donate one of his own kidneys so that he can prolong that life. Of course, a selfish person would have difficulty understanding that situation. Linesman
  • Score: -8

4:56pm Mon 30 Jun 14

wilson castaway says...

You can't just fly a kidney over from Gambia.. my mum has had a kidney transplant,so I have first hand experience of this terrible disease and finding the poor guy a perfect tissue match in this country would be very doubtful.There is a severe shortage if organs from foreign backgrounds.I say bring his brother over, and if the operation is a sucess eventually he could get back to work and pay back into the pot.Good luck.
You can't just fly a kidney over from Gambia.. my mum has had a kidney transplant,so I have first hand experience of this terrible disease and finding the poor guy a perfect tissue match in this country would be very doubtful.There is a severe shortage if organs from foreign backgrounds.I say bring his brother over, and if the operation is a sucess eventually he could get back to work and pay back into the pot.Good luck. wilson castaway
  • Score: -4

5:06pm Mon 30 Jun 14

SotonGreen says...

The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else. SotonGreen
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Mon 30 Jun 14

tootle says...

This man has lived and worked here so he gets free treatment. The NHS is there for that. However it really is time we toughened up a bit. I know more than a few expats who maintain the fiction of living here so they can get the free hospital/dental treatment and benefits if they need them. Fairs fair - he lives here and gets free treatment, they live elsewhere and should use those services, paying if necessary. Not to mention the non-collection of monies from foreign nationals a-visiting!.
This man has lived and worked here so he gets free treatment. The NHS is there for that. However it really is time we toughened up a bit. I know more than a few expats who maintain the fiction of living here so they can get the free hospital/dental treatment and benefits if they need them. Fairs fair - he lives here and gets free treatment, they live elsewhere and should use those services, paying if necessary. Not to mention the non-collection of monies from foreign nationals a-visiting!. tootle
  • Score: -5

6:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

RadicalEmu says...

wwozzer wrote:
There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too?

As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country.
These people you mention will have certainly been in the news, can you point us to an article on one of them?
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too? As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country.[/p][/quote]These people you mention will have certainly been in the news, can you point us to an article on one of them? RadicalEmu
  • Score: -10

6:36pm Mon 30 Jun 14

RadicalEmu says...

BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
Yes, I can picture them all faking organ failure and pulling the wool over NHS consultant's eyes already.
[quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.[/p][/quote]Yes, I can picture them all faking organ failure and pulling the wool over NHS consultant's eyes already. RadicalEmu
  • Score: 5

6:38pm Mon 30 Jun 14

RadicalEmu says...

SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
You must be new here...
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]You must be new here... RadicalEmu
  • Score: 6

7:10pm Mon 30 Jun 14

wwozzer says...

RadicalEmu wrote:
wwozzer wrote:
There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too?

As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country.
These people you mention will have certainly been in the news, can you point us to an article on one of them?
Google "cancer drugs too expensive" then try another pious comment.
[quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too? As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country.[/p][/quote]These people you mention will have certainly been in the news, can you point us to an article on one of them?[/p][/quote]Google "cancer drugs too expensive" then try another pious comment. wwozzer
  • Score: 2

7:16pm Mon 30 Jun 14

bucktoom says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Why should we pay for NHS care for someone from the Gambia i dont think for one minute when he is here he will want to go back home, you would be a fool to think otherwise.
As for getting ill abroad i go on holiday 3 or 4 times a year take out full medical insurance and own a E111 card so i will not be a burden to other countries if taken ill.
We cannot look after everybody in the world that is sick, we cannot cope with what we have here now.
What on earth makes you think that the brother wouldn't go back? Are you so arrogant to think that everyone wants to live here? It's hardly paradise awaiting what with all the xenophobia and racism.
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Why should we pay for NHS care for someone from the Gambia i dont think for one minute when he is here he will want to go back home, you would be a fool to think otherwise. As for getting ill abroad i go on holiday 3 or 4 times a year take out full medical insurance and own a E111 card so i will not be a burden to other countries if taken ill. We cannot look after everybody in the world that is sick, we cannot cope with what we have here now.[/p][/quote]What on earth makes you think that the brother wouldn't go back? Are you so arrogant to think that everyone wants to live here? It's hardly paradise awaiting what with all the xenophobia and racism. bucktoom
  • Score: 1

7:19pm Mon 30 Jun 14

soobear says...

Dear Musa I hope that you are able to get the transplant you need from your loving brother who clearly wants very much to help you live by donating a kidney. Don't let any negativity from this thread get you down, not everyone in this country is a hate filled xenophobe :)
Dear Musa I hope that you are able to get the transplant you need from your loving brother who clearly wants very much to help you live by donating a kidney. Don't let any negativity from this thread get you down, not everyone in this country is a hate filled xenophobe :) soobear
  • Score: 1

7:33pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Graeme Harrison says...

ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages.
1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh).
2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black.
3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black.
4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station).
5. Have I mentioned he's black?
6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black.
7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black.
8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black?
9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels.
10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks.
11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black?
12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black.
13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly.
14. Errrr ...
15. .... that's it.
[quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages. 1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh). 2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black. 3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black. 4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station). 5. Have I mentioned he's black? 6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black. 7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black. 8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black? 9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels. 10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks. 11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black? 12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black. 13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly. 14. Errrr ... 15. .... that's it. Graeme Harrison
  • Score: -1

7:37pm Mon 30 Jun 14

craige says...

It is shameful that this rag of a newspaper publish such a biased article. The good news is that it's the only article not to have spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
It is unacceptable to undermine the immigration office - sometimes the answer has to be no, for good social and economic reasoning.
It is shameful that this rag of a newspaper publish such a biased article. The good news is that it's the only article not to have spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. It is unacceptable to undermine the immigration office - sometimes the answer has to be no, for good social and economic reasoning. craige
  • Score: -1

7:41pm Mon 30 Jun 14

thesouth says...

It's funny to see all the brain washed comments of political nature and costs etc. does the humane person inside you not exist anymore or has has the government brainwashed you all into their way of thinking? You may think it's your opinion but it's not. You are looking at this in a very detached way: if someone was dying in front if you, would you step over them and walk on? Probably not (I hope) so look at things more humanly and remember you are talking about real people
It's funny to see all the brain washed comments of political nature and costs etc. does the humane person inside you not exist anymore or has has the government brainwashed you all into their way of thinking? You may think it's your opinion but it's not. You are looking at this in a very detached way: if someone was dying in front if you, would you step over them and walk on? Probably not (I hope) so look at things more humanly and remember you are talking about real people thesouth
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Mon 30 Jun 14

killared says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages.
1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh).
2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black.
3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black.
4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station).
5. Have I mentioned he's black?
6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black.
7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black.
8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black?
9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels.
10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks.
11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black?
12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black.
13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly.
14. Errrr ...
15. .... that's it.
Graeme Harrison you are upset because a so called black or chinese run off with your wife or daughter ahhahahahah Or because that guy who is dying used to have a better job than you knowing that you are British please tell us you failure. Or maybe your wife run off with a black or chinese guy because they were better than you in the sack hahahaha enjoy that !
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages. 1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh). 2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black. 3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black. 4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station). 5. Have I mentioned he's black? 6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black. 7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black. 8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black? 9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels. 10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks. 11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black? 12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black. 13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly. 14. Errrr ... 15. .... that's it.[/p][/quote]Graeme Harrison you are upset because a so called black or chinese run off with your wife or daughter ahhahahahah Or because that guy who is dying used to have a better job than you knowing that you are British please tell us you failure. Or maybe your wife run off with a black or chinese guy because they were better than you in the sack hahahaha enjoy that ! killared
  • Score: 0

8:26pm Mon 30 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
Christianity is irrelevant, this thread shows a lack of humanity and compassion that really is quite sad. (But not surprising given the very vocal demographic on this subject)
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Christianity is irrelevant, this thread shows a lack of humanity and compassion that really is quite sad. (But not surprising given the very vocal demographic on this subject) St.Winch70
  • Score: -1

8:31pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Chas O'Bursledon says...

To the 35% who said no, may this never happen to you if you are abroad!
To the 35% who said no, may this never happen to you if you are abroad! Chas O'Bursledon
  • Score: 4

8:52pm Mon 30 Jun 14

country bird says...

Us English folk, who were born and raised here, with English families from generations etc are fed up with "foreigners" abusing our NHS, schools, benefits system and other facilities.

All of us have had some operation or illness and sometimes of late, we have not been able to get appts or treatment for ourselves and family because our NHS is completely over run with immigrants, and our system cannot handle the quantity that now reside in the UK.

If they want treatment, then go somewhere else for it or fund it themselves, its not our problems and we cannot keep being penalised for other foreigners problems and issues, they should sort it out themselves.

Charity and humanity begins at home. Our young children, elderly etc have to suffer and not get the treatment they urgently need, because there is no space or funding for them. so what makes the immigrants think theyre entitled to it and push their weight around..

JUST SAYING
Us English folk, who were born and raised here, with English families from generations etc are fed up with "foreigners" abusing our NHS, schools, benefits system and other facilities. All of us have had some operation or illness and sometimes of late, we have not been able to get appts or treatment for ourselves and family because our NHS is completely over run with immigrants, and our system cannot handle the quantity that now reside in the UK. If they want treatment, then go somewhere else for it or fund it themselves, its not our problems and we cannot keep being penalised for other foreigners problems and issues, they should sort it out themselves. Charity and humanity begins at home. Our young children, elderly etc have to suffer and not get the treatment they urgently need, because there is no space or funding for them. so what makes the immigrants think theyre entitled to it and push their weight around.. JUST SAYING country bird
  • Score: -4

9:03pm Mon 30 Jun 14

RadicalEmu says...

wwozzer wrote:
RadicalEmu wrote:
wwozzer wrote:
There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too?

As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country.
These people you mention will have certainly been in the news, can you point us to an article on one of them?
Google "cancer drugs too expensive" then try another pious comment.
Oh, I thought you were talking about specific cases where people have been turned down and not the sad fact that Kadcyla has been deemed "not effective enough to justify the cost to the NHS". I think we can both agree that Roche should answer to patients?
.
Musa isn't being turned down due to the cost to the NHS. It will cost more to not operate!
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too? As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country.[/p][/quote]These people you mention will have certainly been in the news, can you point us to an article on one of them?[/p][/quote]Google "cancer drugs too expensive" then try another pious comment.[/p][/quote]Oh, I thought you were talking about specific cases where people have been turned down and not the sad fact that Kadcyla has been deemed "not effective enough to justify the cost to the NHS". I think we can both agree that Roche should answer to patients? . Musa isn't being turned down due to the cost to the NHS. It will cost more to not operate! RadicalEmu
  • Score: 2

9:06pm Mon 30 Jun 14

RadicalEmu says...

country bird wrote:
Us English folk, who were born and raised here, with English families from generations etc are fed up with "foreigners" abusing our NHS, schools, benefits system and other facilities.

All of us have had some operation or illness and sometimes of late, we have not been able to get appts or treatment for ourselves and family because our NHS is completely over run with immigrants, and our system cannot handle the quantity that now reside in the UK.

If they want treatment, then go somewhere else for it or fund it themselves, its not our problems and we cannot keep being penalised for other foreigners problems and issues, they should sort it out themselves.

Charity and humanity begins at home. Our young children, elderly etc have to suffer and not get the treatment they urgently need, because there is no space or funding for them. so what makes the immigrants think theyre entitled to it and push their weight around..

JUST SAYING
lol
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: Us English folk, who were born and raised here, with English families from generations etc are fed up with "foreigners" abusing our NHS, schools, benefits system and other facilities. All of us have had some operation or illness and sometimes of late, we have not been able to get appts or treatment for ourselves and family because our NHS is completely over run with immigrants, and our system cannot handle the quantity that now reside in the UK. If they want treatment, then go somewhere else for it or fund it themselves, its not our problems and we cannot keep being penalised for other foreigners problems and issues, they should sort it out themselves. Charity and humanity begins at home. Our young children, elderly etc have to suffer and not get the treatment they urgently need, because there is no space or funding for them. so what makes the immigrants think theyre entitled to it and push their weight around.. JUST SAYING[/p][/quote]lol RadicalEmu
  • Score: -1

9:34pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ju_ju68 says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages.
1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh).
2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black.
3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black.
4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station).
5. Have I mentioned he's black?
6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black.
7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black.
8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black?
9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels.
10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks.
11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black?
12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black.
13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly.
14. Errrr ...
15. .... that's it.
lol yes I realise the vibe, all too well! these kind of attitudes are one of the reasons I have moved away to a far more friendly and welcoming part of the country! the local papers here are not filled with these kind of hate filled people, who read and believe everything the daily mail tells them! and love your post!
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages. 1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh). 2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black. 3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black. 4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station). 5. Have I mentioned he's black? 6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black. 7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black. 8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black? 9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels. 10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks. 11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black? 12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black. 13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly. 14. Errrr ... 15. .... that's it.[/p][/quote]lol yes I realise the vibe, all too well! these kind of attitudes are one of the reasons I have moved away to a far more friendly and welcoming part of the country! the local papers here are not filled with these kind of hate filled people, who read and believe everything the daily mail tells them! and love your post! ju_ju68
  • Score: -1

9:42pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ju_ju68 says...

killared wrote:
Graeme Harrison wrote:
ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages.
1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh).
2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black.
3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black.
4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station).
5. Have I mentioned he's black?
6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black.
7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black.
8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black?
9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels.
10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks.
11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black?
12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black.
13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly.
14. Errrr ...
15. .... that's it.
Graeme Harrison you are upset because a so called black or chinese run off with your wife or daughter ahhahahahah Or because that guy who is dying used to have a better job than you knowing that you are British please tell us you failure. Or maybe your wife run off with a black or chinese guy because they were better than you in the sack hahahaha enjoy that !
Think he was describing the vibe of others comments on this thread, not his own views, I think it was meant to be sarcastic.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages. 1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh). 2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black. 3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black. 4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station). 5. Have I mentioned he's black? 6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black. 7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black. 8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black? 9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels. 10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks. 11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black? 12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black. 13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly. 14. Errrr ... 15. .... that's it.[/p][/quote]Graeme Harrison you are upset because a so called black or chinese run off with your wife or daughter ahhahahahah Or because that guy who is dying used to have a better job than you knowing that you are British please tell us you failure. Or maybe your wife run off with a black or chinese guy because they were better than you in the sack hahahaha enjoy that ![/p][/quote]Think he was describing the vibe of others comments on this thread, not his own views, I think it was meant to be sarcastic. ju_ju68
  • Score: -2

9:51pm Mon 30 Jun 14

killared says...

ju_ju68 wrote:
killared wrote:
Graeme Harrison wrote:
ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages.
1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh).
2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black.
3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black.
4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station).
5. Have I mentioned he's black?
6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black.
7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black.
8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black?
9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels.
10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks.
11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black?
12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black.
13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly.
14. Errrr ...
15. .... that's it.
Graeme Harrison you are upset because a so called black or chinese run off with your wife or daughter ahhahahahah Or because that guy who is dying used to have a better job than you knowing that you are British please tell us you failure. Or maybe your wife run off with a black or chinese guy because they were better than you in the sack hahahaha enjoy that !
Think he was describing the vibe of others comments on this thread, not his own views, I think it was meant to be sarcastic.
If he did then I'm sorry but I just hate racism. We are trying to eradicate racism big time, It is just sad to see some comment on here. Some people on here are still happy to cheer for Sterling, Sturridge , Wanyama and co every weekend hold on they are black are they ?
[quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]I think you're missing the current vibe on these pages. 1. Musa is black. And not one of your British blacks. He's a proper foreign black. Like from abroad (even further away from Southampton than Eastleigh). 2. He lives in the UK and pays taxes here. But he's black. 3. Therefore, he's a benefits scrounger who deserves to be deported immediately. Particularly because he's black. 4. He has a serious and life-threatening illness. It's been proved that people who have serious and life-threatening illnesses are all benefits scroungers who deserve to die. Particularly if they're black. And not from round these parts (ie, they were born more than half an inch from Southampton Central rail station). 5. Have I mentioned he's black? 6. It's better that he's on dialysis for years at vast expense. Actually, it'd be better if he just died. Chiefly because he's black. 7. Musa sounds a bit Muslim. And he's black. It's possible that he's directly responsible for the death of the Queen Mother. Who wasn't black. 8. Are you sure I've not mentioned he's black? 9. This country is literally full. Mainly with blacks who now make up 110% of the population and who make 175% of all new laws in Brussels. 10. Vote UKIP. They'll stop the blacks. Unless they vote for UKIP. In which case, UKIP isn't in favour of stopping the blacks. 11. Are you positive I've not mentioned he's black? 12. Some of my best friends aren't black. I drove past one in the car the other day. He was black as the ace of spades. And a benefits scrounger. I could tell that just by driving past him. Because he was black. 13. I'm not racist. I just hate blacks. And Chinese. Well some of them. The ones with slitty eyes mainly. 14. Errrr ... 15. .... that's it.[/p][/quote]Graeme Harrison you are upset because a so called black or chinese run off with your wife or daughter ahhahahahah Or because that guy who is dying used to have a better job than you knowing that you are British please tell us you failure. Or maybe your wife run off with a black or chinese guy because they were better than you in the sack hahahaha enjoy that ![/p][/quote]Think he was describing the vibe of others comments on this thread, not his own views, I think it was meant to be sarcastic.[/p][/quote]If he did then I'm sorry but I just hate racism. We are trying to eradicate racism big time, It is just sad to see some comment on here. Some people on here are still happy to cheer for Sterling, Sturridge , Wanyama and co every weekend hold on they are black are they ? killared
  • Score: -3

3:49am Tue 1 Jul 14

Georgethepie says...

southy wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head.

Well done you.
I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.
Its a long way from the truth, The NHS is not being abuse by foreigners that is a lie that the far right spin about for you to believe in. Its to our avantage for overseas patients to use our NHS they go back to there own country and talk about it and they start wondering why don't there country have the same thing and when enough people want change they will change in it in there country.
Another lie spin about by the far right is the number of immigrants we get in this country most that come here are Asian Students who will return back home after 4 or 5 years here, many train here to take the skills back home with them
1,2,3 your back in the room. What a load of rubbish. Have you visited London recently or slough or perhaps Reading or many other towns across the UK. Honestly do you believe everything the Lib dems tell you
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.[/p][/quote]So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head. Well done you.[/p][/quote]I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.[/p][/quote]Its a long way from the truth, The NHS is not being abuse by foreigners that is a lie that the far right spin about for you to believe in. Its to our avantage for overseas patients to use our NHS they go back to there own country and talk about it and they start wondering why don't there country have the same thing and when enough people want change they will change in it in there country. Another lie spin about by the far right is the number of immigrants we get in this country most that come here are Asian Students who will return back home after 4 or 5 years here, many train here to take the skills back home with them[/p][/quote]1,2,3 your back in the room. What a load of rubbish. Have you visited London recently or slough or perhaps Reading or many other towns across the UK. Honestly do you believe everything the Lib dems tell you Georgethepie
  • Score: -6

4:02am Tue 1 Jul 14

Georgethepie says...

ju_ju68 wrote:
well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??
Depends were you born and raised outside of the UK if so perhaps the country you were born in could pick up the tab. What people are basically saying from what I can see is why should we be lumbered with the long term medical care of a man his brother and any other member of his family he needs while in recovery when we don't have the finances to look after our own. What I want to know is how did he come to be working in the UK are we really that short of his skill base
[quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: well what a bunch of vile creatures some of you are! I am a transplant patient, and believe me when you are on dialysis you would move heaven and earth to get yourself a transplant. Renal failure is an awful disease, for which there is no cure( as a transplant is just a treatment) perhaps some of you would like to walk a mile in this guys shoes! I don't personally know him, but for me If the renal unit at QA say thats what he needs you can be dam sure it is the best thing for him. Imagine, if you or one of your loved ones needed a transplant, and for whatever reason bureaucracy meant that could not happen, I would imagine you would fight anyway you could to get that. Perhaps this man just wanted to move here to work and make a better life, for him and his family. Well I commend him for that. Now he finds himself very ill, and people are telling him to go back home. I despair of some peoples attitudes to other humans! oh and by the way cost of hemo dialysis around £30800 per year, cost of transplant £24100, a year. This guy has worked and paid tax, would you say that a say 25 year old should not get a transplant just because he had never worked? my first transplant was done when I was only 17, I had only worked for 8 months, should I have been denied NHS treatment??[/p][/quote]Depends were you born and raised outside of the UK if so perhaps the country you were born in could pick up the tab. What people are basically saying from what I can see is why should we be lumbered with the long term medical care of a man his brother and any other member of his family he needs while in recovery when we don't have the finances to look after our own. What I want to know is how did he come to be working in the UK are we really that short of his skill base Georgethepie
  • Score: 1

4:08am Tue 1 Jul 14

Georgethepie says...

SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
You could flip this comment on its head and say look what the big 3 parties have done to Britain but instead blame UKIP that works
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]You could flip this comment on its head and say look what the big 3 parties have done to Britain but instead blame UKIP that works Georgethepie
  • Score: 0

8:16am Tue 1 Jul 14

southy says...

Georgethepie wrote:
southy wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head.

Well done you.
I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.
Its a long way from the truth, The NHS is not being abuse by foreigners that is a lie that the far right spin about for you to believe in. Its to our avantage for overseas patients to use our NHS they go back to there own country and talk about it and they start wondering why don't there country have the same thing and when enough people want change they will change in it in there country.
Another lie spin about by the far right is the number of immigrants we get in this country most that come here are Asian Students who will return back home after 4 or 5 years here, many train here to take the skills back home with them
1,2,3 your back in the room. What a load of rubbish. Have you visited London recently or slough or perhaps Reading or many other towns across the UK. Honestly do you believe everything the Lib dems tell you
Funny that I was in London last Sunday, when was the last time you step out side of Hampshire.
And what do your list of Hospitals all have in common, they are all run by the Private sector, all Hospitals are run by the Private sector, the private sector has £50 million tax payers money a day to run the NHS, that is £50 million a day that could of been spent in the NHS and not the private sectors.
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.[/p][/quote]So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head. Well done you.[/p][/quote]I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.[/p][/quote]Its a long way from the truth, The NHS is not being abuse by foreigners that is a lie that the far right spin about for you to believe in. Its to our avantage for overseas patients to use our NHS they go back to there own country and talk about it and they start wondering why don't there country have the same thing and when enough people want change they will change in it in there country. Another lie spin about by the far right is the number of immigrants we get in this country most that come here are Asian Students who will return back home after 4 or 5 years here, many train here to take the skills back home with them[/p][/quote]1,2,3 your back in the room. What a load of rubbish. Have you visited London recently or slough or perhaps Reading or many other towns across the UK. Honestly do you believe everything the Lib dems tell you[/p][/quote]Funny that I was in London last Sunday, when was the last time you step out side of Hampshire. And what do your list of Hospitals all have in common, they are all run by the Private sector, all Hospitals are run by the Private sector, the private sector has £50 million tax payers money a day to run the NHS, that is £50 million a day that could of been spent in the NHS and not the private sectors. southy
  • Score: -4

8:24am Tue 1 Jul 14

southy says...

SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
Agree SotonGreen
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Agree SotonGreen southy
  • Score: -2

8:57am Tue 1 Jul 14

killared says...

southy wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
Agree SotonGreen
Some people on here need to get real seriously !
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Agree SotonGreen[/p][/quote]Some people on here need to get real seriously ! killared
  • Score: 7

9:39am Tue 1 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

RadicalEmu wrote:
wwozzer wrote:
RadicalEmu wrote:
wwozzer wrote: There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too? As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country.
These people you mention will have certainly been in the news, can you point us to an article on one of them?
Google "cancer drugs too expensive" then try another pious comment.
Oh, I thought you were talking about specific cases where people have been turned down and not the sad fact that Kadcyla has been deemed "not effective enough to justify the cost to the NHS". I think we can both agree that Roche should answer to patients? . Musa isn't being turned down due to the cost to the NHS. It will cost more to not operate!
Google the font of all truth...you need look no further than your ipad.

Having known a few people who have died from cancer, the care and treatment that they have received in this country is exemplarity. Cost will inevitably be an issue as advances are made, however the drug that you speak of is far from being a silver bullet.

Like a lot of the comments here, this is really just an attempt to justify a selfish viewpoint underpinned by thinly veiled racism.

When you have trouble feeding your family, there is civil unrest, or powercuts. Maybe then you will be able to say… “enough is enough”. Until then maybe you should be proud that we live in a country where if you fall down someone picks you up.
[quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: There are many people who were born here and paid a lifetime of taxes who can't get life saving medication or surgery because it's too expensive. Why doesn't the echo do a piece on some of those too? As tragic as it is this fella is not a special case and has already received top class care that I doubt he'd have ever got in his home country.[/p][/quote]These people you mention will have certainly been in the news, can you point us to an article on one of them?[/p][/quote]Google "cancer drugs too expensive" then try another pious comment.[/p][/quote]Oh, I thought you were talking about specific cases where people have been turned down and not the sad fact that Kadcyla has been deemed "not effective enough to justify the cost to the NHS". I think we can both agree that Roche should answer to patients? . Musa isn't being turned down due to the cost to the NHS. It will cost more to not operate![/p][/quote]Google the font of all truth...you need look no further than your ipad. Having known a few people who have died from cancer, the care and treatment that they have received in this country is exemplarity. Cost will inevitably be an issue as advances are made, however the drug that you speak of is far from being a silver bullet. Like a lot of the comments here, this is really just an attempt to justify a selfish viewpoint underpinned by thinly veiled racism. When you have trouble feeding your family, there is civil unrest, or powercuts. Maybe then you will be able to say… “enough is enough”. Until then maybe you should be proud that we live in a country where if you fall down someone picks you up. Jesus_02
  • Score: 4

10:26am Tue 1 Jul 14

southy says...

killared wrote:
southy wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
Agree SotonGreen
Some people on here need to get real seriously !
Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Agree SotonGreen[/p][/quote]Some people on here need to get real seriously ![/p][/quote]Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into. southy
  • Score: 1

10:58am Tue 1 Jul 14

killared says...

southy wrote:
killared wrote:
southy wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
Agree SotonGreen
Some people on here need to get real seriously !
Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.
Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Agree SotonGreen[/p][/quote]Some people on here need to get real seriously ![/p][/quote]Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.[/p][/quote]Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England. killared
  • Score: 0

11:22am Tue 1 Jul 14

southy says...

killared wrote:
southy wrote:
killared wrote:
southy wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
Agree SotonGreen
Some people on here need to get real seriously !
Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.
Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.
yes and young girls with a pram probley work more than those in the posh areas.
That is rubbish about English in England, immigrants account for less than 2% in England, You been listen to UKIP to much or reading the false Daily Mail
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Agree SotonGreen[/p][/quote]Some people on here need to get real seriously ![/p][/quote]Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.[/p][/quote]Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.[/p][/quote]yes and young girls with a pram probley work more than those in the posh areas. That is rubbish about English in England, immigrants account for less than 2% in England, You been listen to UKIP to much or reading the false Daily Mail southy
  • Score: -2

11:29am Tue 1 Jul 14

Georgethepie says...

I suppose it's better than listening to labour or the lib dems and sticking your head in the sand and pretending the problem doesn't exists
I suppose it's better than listening to labour or the lib dems and sticking your head in the sand and pretending the problem doesn't exists Georgethepie
  • Score: 0

11:33am Tue 1 Jul 14

Georgethepie says...

southy wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
southy wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
BANJOED wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country
1. They can't do the operation in Gambia
2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work.
3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would.
4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.
Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds
I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.
So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head.

Well done you.
I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.
Its a long way from the truth, The NHS is not being abuse by foreigners that is a lie that the far right spin about for you to believe in. Its to our avantage for overseas patients to use our NHS they go back to there own country and talk about it and they start wondering why don't there country have the same thing and when enough people want change they will change in it in there country.
Another lie spin about by the far right is the number of immigrants we get in this country most that come here are Asian Students who will return back home after 4 or 5 years here, many train here to take the skills back home with them
1,2,3 your back in the room. What a load of rubbish. Have you visited London recently or slough or perhaps Reading or many other towns across the UK. Honestly do you believe everything the Lib dems tell you
Funny that I was in London last Sunday, when was the last time you step out side of Hampshire.
And what do your list of Hospitals all have in common, they are all run by the Private sector, all Hospitals are run by the Private sector, the private sector has £50 million tax payers money a day to run the NHS, that is £50 million a day that could of been spent in the NHS and not the private sectors.
I step out of Hampshire everyday thank you. Point 2 I never listed hospitals I listed places. Perhaps if you opened your eyes you wouldn't have such a blinkered view of the world
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BANJOED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Rule are rules we would end up paying for both their after care, why cant he go back home and have the operation at a cost to his country[/p][/quote]1. They can't do the operation in Gambia 2. He's perfectly entitled to care on the NHS, having been legally allowed in the country to work. 3. It'll cost more to keep on giving him dialysis than the operation and subsequent care would. 4. Let's hope you never end up abroad and in need of medical care.[/p][/quote]Oh be still... YOUR bleeding heart! in MHO the FO is totally correct on this issue! If they allowed this to happen there would be a thousand case's within a week that pleaded for relatives to be allowed into the UK on similar grounds I do not for a second believe the 'temporary visa' baloney about the donor... At the end of the 6 month period he would undoubtedly develop post op symptoms that 'could not be treated in West Africa' The bleeding hearts like your good self would then campaign for the donor to be admitted on a permanent basis. As the UK was stupid enough to admit the patient in the first place, I suppose the NHS must treat him! anything is better than allowing yet another scam to admit more immigrants.[/p][/quote]So you're against this life saving operation on the basis of scenarios you've made up in your head. Well done you.[/p][/quote]I am against the NHS being abused by foreigners! I am also against this Nation being overrun by mass immigration! I do not believe that the 'scenario that I made up in my head' is very far from the truth. Finally! if you are so sympathetic to the patients cause... might I suggest that you and your fellow travellers club together and pay the entire cost of the transplant and the aftercare of the 'brother' from your own pockets. I also suggest that you take full responsibility for ensuring his departure at the end of the 6month period, and supply him with a one way air ticket.[/p][/quote]Its a long way from the truth, The NHS is not being abuse by foreigners that is a lie that the far right spin about for you to believe in. Its to our avantage for overseas patients to use our NHS they go back to there own country and talk about it and they start wondering why don't there country have the same thing and when enough people want change they will change in it in there country. Another lie spin about by the far right is the number of immigrants we get in this country most that come here are Asian Students who will return back home after 4 or 5 years here, many train here to take the skills back home with them[/p][/quote]1,2,3 your back in the room. What a load of rubbish. Have you visited London recently or slough or perhaps Reading or many other towns across the UK. Honestly do you believe everything the Lib dems tell you[/p][/quote]Funny that I was in London last Sunday, when was the last time you step out side of Hampshire. And what do your list of Hospitals all have in common, they are all run by the Private sector, all Hospitals are run by the Private sector, the private sector has £50 million tax payers money a day to run the NHS, that is £50 million a day that could of been spent in the NHS and not the private sectors.[/p][/quote]I step out of Hampshire everyday thank you. Point 2 I never listed hospitals I listed places. Perhaps if you opened your eyes you wouldn't have such a blinkered view of the world Georgethepie
  • Score: 0

11:41am Tue 1 Jul 14

Georgethepie says...

killared wrote:
southy wrote:
killared wrote:
southy wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
Agree SotonGreen
Some people on here need to get real seriously !
Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.
Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.
Are UKIP a racist party then or are they just offering something different.
Some would say the liberal democrats are a Racist party.
1 thing they all have in common is they don't give a toss about us.
So ask yourself this. Are you rich enough for the conservatives to care about you
Poor enough for labour to care or foreign enough for the lib dems.
As I don't fit into any of these I guess I will have to go green next time
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Agree SotonGreen[/p][/quote]Some people on here need to get real seriously ![/p][/quote]Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.[/p][/quote]Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.[/p][/quote]Are UKIP a racist party then or are they just offering something different. Some would say the liberal democrats are a Racist party. 1 thing they all have in common is they don't give a toss about us. So ask yourself this. Are you rich enough for the conservatives to care about you Poor enough for labour to care or foreign enough for the lib dems. As I don't fit into any of these I guess I will have to go green next time Georgethepie
  • Score: 1

11:45am Tue 1 Jul 14

killared says...

southy wrote:
killared wrote:
southy wrote:
killared wrote:
southy wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
Agree SotonGreen
Some people on here need to get real seriously !
Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.
Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.
yes and young girls with a pram probley work more than those in the posh areas.
That is rubbish about English in England, immigrants account for less than 2% in England, You been listen to UKIP to much or reading the false Daily Mail
I think you've got it all wrong here like I said in my previous post I'm not one of those moron who voted for UKIP and blame everything on immigration because I know immigrants less than 2 %.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Agree SotonGreen[/p][/quote]Some people on here need to get real seriously ![/p][/quote]Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.[/p][/quote]Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.[/p][/quote]yes and young girls with a pram probley work more than those in the posh areas. That is rubbish about English in England, immigrants account for less than 2% in England, You been listen to UKIP to much or reading the false Daily Mail[/p][/quote]I think you've got it all wrong here like I said in my previous post I'm not one of those moron who voted for UKIP and blame everything on immigration because I know immigrants less than 2 %. killared
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Tue 1 Jul 14

sass says...

killared wrote:
southy wrote:
killared wrote:
southy wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.
Agree SotonGreen
Some people on here need to get real seriously !
Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.
Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.
Of course there are more immigrants. Romans, Normans, Celts, Saxons, and all the more recent ones too. Very few Anglo these days.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: The cold heartedness on this thread shown by some shames our community and our nation. It makes me sad and angry in equal measure and shows what parties like UKIP have done in terms of providing top cover enabling people to think such mean spirited things and to express them openly. We are supposed to be a christian nation and this is what we have come too ? You are talking about the death of a man whose only crime is to be born somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Agree SotonGreen[/p][/quote]Some people on here need to get real seriously ![/p][/quote]Yes Killared like your self should come in to the real world and not the false world that the Right wing have brainwash you into.[/p][/quote]Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.[/p][/quote]Of course there are more immigrants. Romans, Normans, Celts, Saxons, and all the more recent ones too. Very few Anglo these days. sass
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1:41pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Woolston ollie says...

killared says...

Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.
Most of those young girls and the wasted guys in the places you wrote of are foreingers anyway . more burden on us british taxpayers
killared says... Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England. Most of those young girls and the wasted guys in the places you wrote of are foreingers anyway . more burden on us british taxpayers Woolston ollie
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2:07pm Tue 1 Jul 14

killared says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
killared says...

Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England.
Most of those young girls and the wasted guys in the places you wrote of are foreingers anyway . more burden on us british taxpayers
I'm sorry but if you visit those places I named the people on benefit or takers this is how I called them now are English .
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: killared says... Southy if he can get a kidney from his brother then let him come then deport his brother when the transplant is done simple. This guy probably work more than many young girl you see with pram in Shirley, Lordshill , Thornhill, Millbrook , Woolston. Or wasted guy on benefit. Please read above I'm against racism I'm not a UKIP voter who believe there's more immigrants than English in England. Most of those young girls and the wasted guys in the places you wrote of are foreingers anyway . more burden on us british taxpayers[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but if you visit those places I named the people on benefit or takers this is how I called them now are English . killared
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8:35pm Tue 1 Jul 14

onelive says...

I think this man deserves treatment and have all rights to claim benefits as long as he is refused chance to transplant, if you have problem with that I think you guys has to look at the people who never contributed and will never be but are happy saying on benefits. This country have treated that girl from Pakistan and she or any of her family members never being in U.K or pay any tax so in a sense she was treated by the tax this man paid but now his tax couldn't treated him, that's sadness in U.K or are they encouraging not to work but to claim
I think this man deserves treatment and have all rights to claim benefits as long as he is refused chance to transplant, if you have problem with that I think you guys has to look at the people who never contributed and will never be but are happy saying on benefits. This country have treated that girl from Pakistan and she or any of her family members never being in U.K or pay any tax so in a sense she was treated by the tax this man paid but now his tax couldn't treated him, that's sadness in U.K or are they encouraging not to work but to claim onelive
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9:27am Wed 2 Jul 14

pod says...

I think you will find 'that girl from Pakistan', I am guessing you mean the child that was shot by muslim extremists for wanting the right to an education and has since gone on the win peace prizes after making a full recovery and is still campaigning, had her treatment paid for by her won government and wellwishers.
I think you will find 'that girl from Pakistan', I am guessing you mean the child that was shot by muslim extremists for wanting the right to an education and has since gone on the win peace prizes after making a full recovery and is still campaigning, had her treatment paid for by her won government and wellwishers. pod
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1:24am Fri 4 Jul 14

notableedingheart says...

I view this whole scenario with a degree of scepticism. The UK resident arrived in 2007 from a medically challenged country and in 2009 discovered that his kidneys had essentially failed. Without portraying myself a renal specialist it is common for failing kidneys to continue functioning for many years even though the kidneys are failing and even will perform its tasks with I understand as little as 10% function. There are very simple blood tests available in all countries that will accurately detect renal disease and I suspect Gambia is one such country.
Accepting that there are "medical" tourists and immigrants to the U and other western countries perhaps the kidney problems may have been known prior to 2007 perhaps the UK represented a more advanced medical facility than Gambia to manage the failing kidneys.
The UK resident stated inter-alia that he had worked, paid taxes and contributed to the UK. This claim is probably correct in a limited sense - he probably paid taxes on his wage - presumably a low paying job and if this speculation is correct then minimal taxes. The enormous costs associated with medical treatment and dialysis, ancillary treatments, housing and benefits since 2009 would not be offset in any manner by the taxes paid.
Now the brother wishes to attend the UK. Like other contributors I suspect that if this visa is granted then the UK will acquire another foreign national who can see that the UK offers many more western advantages not available in his home country.
If I sound a tad sceptical perhaps it is based upon seeing for many years people from poorer countries doing whatever it takes to enter and remain in advanced western countries. This motivation I understand though I do not understand the motivation of the bleeding hearts who feel the UK and other similar countries can shoulder the burden for the rest of the world.
Sometimes we just have to be sceptical and pragmatic and say no even if it goes against our conscience.
I view this whole scenario with a degree of scepticism. The UK resident arrived in 2007 from a medically challenged country and in 2009 discovered that his kidneys had essentially failed. Without portraying myself a renal specialist it is common for failing kidneys to continue functioning for many years even though the kidneys are failing and even will perform its tasks with I understand as little as 10% function. There are very simple blood tests available in all countries that will accurately detect renal disease and I suspect Gambia is one such country. Accepting that there are "medical" tourists and immigrants to the U and other western countries perhaps the kidney problems may have been known prior to 2007 perhaps the UK represented a more advanced medical facility than Gambia to manage the failing kidneys. The UK resident stated inter-alia that he had worked, paid taxes and contributed to the UK. This claim is probably correct in a limited sense - he probably paid taxes on his wage - presumably a low paying job and if this speculation is correct then minimal taxes. The enormous costs associated with medical treatment and dialysis, ancillary treatments, housing and benefits since 2009 would not be offset in any manner by the taxes paid. Now the brother wishes to attend the UK. Like other contributors I suspect that if this visa is granted then the UK will acquire another foreign national who can see that the UK offers many more western advantages not available in his home country. If I sound a tad sceptical perhaps it is based upon seeing for many years people from poorer countries doing whatever it takes to enter and remain in advanced western countries. This motivation I understand though I do not understand the motivation of the bleeding hearts who feel the UK and other similar countries can shoulder the burden for the rest of the world. Sometimes we just have to be sceptical and pragmatic and say no even if it goes against our conscience. notableedingheart
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