New Forest chiefs could lobby Government for cycling sportive regulations

Daily Echo: Cyclists ride through the New Forest during the two-day Wiggle New Forest Spring Sportive last April. Cyclists ride through the New Forest during the two-day Wiggle New Forest Spring Sportive last April.

Mass cycle rides in the New Forest could spark calls for new laws to control the events.

National Park chiefs are threatening to lobby the Government if a proposed new charter fails to ease the tension between cyclists and locals.

Campaigners are also calling for the voluntary charter to be beefed up in the face of criticism from the public.

They say the number of riders taking part in the controversial “sportives” should be limited to 1,000, and entrants should have numbers on their backs so they can be identified if they flout the rules.

The issue was raised at a meeting of the National Park Authority (NPA), which has been instrumental in drawing up the charter. Speakers calling for the NPA and other organisations to take a tougher stance included Cllr Richard Frampton, who described the document as “toothless”.

Maureen Holding is also a district councillor for Brockenhurst, which often sees a huge influx of bikes when major cycling events are held in the Forest.

Citing recent criticism of cyclists she called for new laws to be imposed if self-regulation failed to work.

“They are trying to see how much they can get away with. If we need legislation we should go for that,” said Cllr Holding.

But a report to members said UK Cycling Events, which stages the sportives, had already cut the number of entrants by 20 per cent.

It added: “The charter has taken several months to develop and deserves to be given a chance to become established. It can be amended in the light of experience.

“Another option is to lobby for a change in legislation.”

The report said the Licensing Act 2003 excluded outdoor cycling events and added: “Given the magnitude and increasing popularity of sportives, there is a strong argument that such legislation should be brought up to date.”

NPA members also agreed that the authority should investigate the possibility of installing 20 bike hire stations in the Forest for family cyclists.

Some speakers complained that the scheme would attract even more cyclists to the area but Cllr David Harrison supported the idea.

He said: “It will be a great shame if we don’t take this forward. The money will go back to the Government and a great opportunity will be lost.”

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12:22pm Thu 3 Jul 14

GoonerEIE says...

Here we go again, Maureen Holding seems to think that the New Forest is just for her & her cronies. Well you are wrong Mrs Holding, the forest is for everyone & it is not the cyclists that are the problem & it is not the cyclists that kill the wildlife or drop the huge number of fast food containers that litter the roadside.
Maybe she look at the takings in the pubs, restaurants & B&Bs in Brockenhurst this October when the Wiggle event starts at Matchams & compare it to last years takings when the event was in Brockenhurst!
Here we go again, Maureen Holding seems to think that the New Forest is just for her & her cronies. Well you are wrong Mrs Holding, the forest is for everyone & it is not the cyclists that are the problem & it is not the cyclists that kill the wildlife or drop the huge number of fast food containers that litter the roadside. Maybe she look at the takings in the pubs, restaurants & B&Bs in Brockenhurst this October when the Wiggle event starts at Matchams & compare it to last years takings when the event was in Brockenhurst! GoonerEIE
  • Score: 16

12:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Sunny Saint says...

I live in Brockenhurst and am out on my bike most weekends. I certainly do not want to see events like this stopped. However, the numbers do need to be controlled and the events monitored. There's more than enough for everyone, but like everything nice, it needs to be shared equally.
I live in Brockenhurst and am out on my bike most weekends. I certainly do not want to see events like this stopped. However, the numbers do need to be controlled and the events monitored. There's more than enough for everyone, but like everything nice, it needs to be shared equally. Sunny Saint
  • Score: 24

12:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Drhysted says...

Strange that UKCE (a company based in the New Forest) can hold events throughout the UK, and France without problems. But when they're operating on their home turf, they have problems with a small number of locals. Really suggests the problem lies with the locals, and not the events.
The real issue that most people don't realise is that we are becoming known accross the country as inbred, knuckle dragging, NIMBYs. Which is a concern when 8000 people are reliant upon torrisum.
Strange that UKCE (a company based in the New Forest) can hold events throughout the UK, and France without problems. But when they're operating on their home turf, they have problems with a small number of locals. Really suggests the problem lies with the locals, and not the events. The real issue that most people don't realise is that we are becoming known accross the country as inbred, knuckle dragging, NIMBYs. Which is a concern when 8000 people are reliant upon torrisum. Drhysted
  • Score: 16

1:00pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Drhysted says...

The truly disappointing thing is that if you travel 4 miles south of the Nee Forest, they are doing their best to encourage cyclists. Google bicycle island.
The truly disappointing thing is that if you travel 4 miles south of the Nee Forest, they are doing their best to encourage cyclists. Google bicycle island. Drhysted
  • Score: 13

1:16pm Thu 3 Jul 14

RomseyKeith says...

Boycott the forest, let the tourism dry up, and let it turn into the desolate Deliverence-county wasterland these people want it to become.
Or, organise a ridiculously large music festival instead of the cycling, focusing on thrash metal, and punk, and gangster rap (anything violent and aggressive) with drugs, and upturned porter-potties, and public indecendy, damage to the land, and noise pollution, all to let them realise how good they had it when it was just a cycling event every now and then.
Whatever happened to live and let live? Live and let die...
Boycott the forest, let the tourism dry up, and let it turn into the desolate Deliverence-county wasterland these people want it to become. Or, organise a ridiculously large music festival instead of the cycling, focusing on thrash metal, and punk, and gangster rap (anything violent and aggressive) with drugs, and upturned porter-potties, and public indecendy, damage to the land, and noise pollution, all to let them realise how good they had it when it was just a cycling event every now and then. Whatever happened to live and let live? Live and let die... RomseyKeith
  • Score: 18

1:32pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SilvanDryad says...

The problems are not the Wiggle cyclists but the tourist famiies who can't ride properly and wobble all over the place on the main roads, and car drivers who think the speed limit is 40 everywhere even in the villages, and who also do emergency stops to photograph ponies.
The problems are not the Wiggle cyclists but the tourist famiies who can't ride properly and wobble all over the place on the main roads, and car drivers who think the speed limit is 40 everywhere even in the villages, and who also do emergency stops to photograph ponies. SilvanDryad
  • Score: 7

1:36pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SilvanDryad says...

How many complaints did Southampton Skyride get? 14,000 allegedly took part.
How many complaints did Southampton Skyride get? 14,000 allegedly took part. SilvanDryad
  • Score: 2

2:10pm Thu 3 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;) 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 6

2:22pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Shobby says...

These people really are pathetic. As far as I was aware the forest is owned by everyone. What is the problem with a couple of cycle events per year ?
I have lived near and enjoyed the forest either walking the dogs or cycling with family for the last 49 years. I find this totally embarrassing !!
The forest needs tourism to thrive and surely this is just driving it away.
As previously said this could be concerts or motor bike events maybe then these people will rally have something to complain about.
The forest is for everyone lets just all enjoy it.
These people really are pathetic. As far as I was aware the forest is owned by everyone. What is the problem with a couple of cycle events per year ? I have lived near and enjoyed the forest either walking the dogs or cycling with family for the last 49 years. I find this totally embarrassing !! The forest needs tourism to thrive and surely this is just driving it away. As previously said this could be concerts or motor bike events maybe then these people will rally have something to complain about. The forest is for everyone lets just all enjoy it. Shobby
  • Score: 0

2:43pm Thu 3 Jul 14

TobyB1960 says...

Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance!
Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance! TobyB1960
  • Score: 15

2:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

RomseyKeith says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol RomseyKeith
  • Score: 6

3:05pm Thu 3 Jul 14

RomseyKeith says...

New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please?
New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal!

It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise.
It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?)
New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please? New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal! It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise. It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?) RomseyKeith
  • Score: 2

3:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

camerajuan says...

RomseyKeith wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol
RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH!

Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it.
[quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol[/p][/quote]RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH! Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it. camerajuan
  • Score: 5

3:30pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Mr E says...

Its not about cycling in particular - its about numbers and organisation.

I wonder what would be said if somebody organised a event similar to a Cycling Sportive for 3,000 Vintage Cars / Motorbikes / Steamrollers.

I suspect people might not be that happy.
Its not about cycling in particular - its about numbers and organisation. I wonder what would be said if somebody organised a event similar to a Cycling Sportive for 3,000 Vintage Cars / Motorbikes / Steamrollers. I suspect people might not be that happy. Mr E
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

RomseyKeith wrote:
New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please?
New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal!

It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise.
It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?)
In the interest of fairness it's not 3 or 4 days out of 365 it's 3 or 4 out of 104 as the events are held exclusively at week-ends when the density of traffic is at its greatest. It would be much more sensible to hold the events in the middle of the week when the traffic is light.
[quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please? New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal! It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise. It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?)[/p][/quote]In the interest of fairness it's not 3 or 4 days out of 365 it's 3 or 4 out of 104 as the events are held exclusively at week-ends when the density of traffic is at its greatest. It would be much more sensible to hold the events in the middle of the week when the traffic is light. Torchie1
  • Score: -2

4:09pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Drhysted says...

Mr E wrote:
Its not about cycling in particular - its about numbers and organisation.

I wonder what would be said if somebody organised a event similar to a Cycling Sportive for 3,000 Vintage Cars / Motorbikes / Steamrollers.

I suspect people might not be that happy.
But it isn't 3000 entrants. This shows the difference between the facts and Daily Echo stories.
[quote][p][bold]Mr E[/bold] wrote: Its not about cycling in particular - its about numbers and organisation. I wonder what would be said if somebody organised a event similar to a Cycling Sportive for 3,000 Vintage Cars / Motorbikes / Steamrollers. I suspect people might not be that happy.[/p][/quote]But it isn't 3000 entrants. This shows the difference between the facts and Daily Echo stories. Drhysted
  • Score: -2

4:21pm Thu 3 Jul 14

RomseyKeith says...

Torchie1 wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote: New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please? New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal! It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise. It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?)
In the interest of fairness it's not 3 or 4 days out of 365 it's 3 or 4 out of 104 as the events are held exclusively at week-ends when the density of traffic is at its greatest. It would be much more sensible to hold the events in the middle of the week when the traffic is light.
And in fairness, 3 or 4 out of 104 is still not a very high number. It is a shame there is so much intollerance concerning this. It is a very low percentage of days to put up with it.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please? New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal! It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise. It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?)[/p][/quote]In the interest of fairness it's not 3 or 4 days out of 365 it's 3 or 4 out of 104 as the events are held exclusively at week-ends when the density of traffic is at its greatest. It would be much more sensible to hold the events in the middle of the week when the traffic is light.[/p][/quote]And in fairness, 3 or 4 out of 104 is still not a very high number. It is a shame there is so much intollerance concerning this. It is a very low percentage of days to put up with it. RomseyKeith
  • Score: 3

4:46pm Thu 3 Jul 14

S!monOn says...

camerajuan wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol
RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH!

Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it.
Road tax doesn't exist..... the daft thing is people are trying to understand, well basically, nothing! :D
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol[/p][/quote]RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH! Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it.[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist..... the daft thing is people are trying to understand, well basically, nothing! :D S!monOn
  • Score: 2

5:09pm Thu 3 Jul 14

AFrustratedCyclist says...

So daily traffic queues due to cars is fine but being delayed a little bit here and there passing some cyclists needs laws to kerb, control, limit or ban them? Nobody complains about slowing to pass horses (wild or shod with a rider) in the forest why should it be considered any different?

What a nonsense, I spend far more time queueing in traffic when I drive places than I've ever been held up by cyclists or cycling events. That includes the time that one of the large new forest sportive came past my house on the day my son was born, no bother at all getting out to the hospital. Thank Christ the New forest show wasn't on that weekend else my son might have been delivered in the car!

nonsense and hypothetical problems invented by nimbys with nothing better to do. live and let live.
So daily traffic queues due to cars is fine but being delayed a little bit here and there passing some cyclists needs laws to kerb, control, limit or ban them? Nobody complains about slowing to pass horses (wild or shod with a rider) in the forest why should it be considered any different? What a nonsense, I spend far more time queueing in traffic when I drive places than I've ever been held up by cyclists or cycling events. That includes the time that one of the large new forest sportive came past my house on the day my son was born, no bother at all getting out to the hospital. Thank Christ the New forest show wasn't on that weekend else my son might have been delivered in the car! nonsense and hypothetical problems invented by nimbys with nothing better to do. live and let live. AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: 2

5:44pm Thu 3 Jul 14

saint61 says...

Children arguing with each other not good.
Child trying to stop the other using their bike is selfish and two children not wanting to play with each other like grown up children is pathetic.

The New Forest is a playground open to everyone.

NOW ALL GROW UP..........ITS GETTING VERY BORING
Children arguing with each other not good. Child trying to stop the other using their bike is selfish and two children not wanting to play with each other like grown up children is pathetic. The New Forest is a playground open to everyone. NOW ALL GROW UP..........ITS GETTING VERY BORING saint61
  • Score: 1

5:57pm Thu 3 Jul 14

BeyondImagination says...

More cycle rallies please. Anything that slows down the car drivers is good, particularly the forest residents.
More cycle rallies please. Anything that slows down the car drivers is good, particularly the forest residents. BeyondImagination
  • Score: -2

6:14pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Richard 51 says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
And nor do you, you pay VED not road tax, roads are paid out of council tax so we all pay.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]And nor do you, you pay VED not road tax, roads are paid out of council tax so we all pay. Richard 51
  • Score: 1

6:20pm Thu 3 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

Torchie1 wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote:
New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please?
New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal!

It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise.
It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?)
In the interest of fairness it's not 3 or 4 days out of 365 it's 3 or 4 out of 104 as the events are held exclusively at week-ends when the density of traffic is at its greatest. It would be much more sensible to hold the events in the middle of the week when the traffic is light.
So that will be when people are at work and children at school then
Dick head
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please? New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal! It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise. It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?)[/p][/quote]In the interest of fairness it's not 3 or 4 days out of 365 it's 3 or 4 out of 104 as the events are held exclusively at week-ends when the density of traffic is at its greatest. It would be much more sensible to hold the events in the middle of the week when the traffic is light.[/p][/quote]So that will be when people are at work and children at school then Dick head bullsbags
  • Score: -4

6:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

redsnapper says...

Ignore the Councillors who are generally boring overweight jobsworths with massive NIMBY genes.
Ignore the Councillors who are generally boring overweight jobsworths with massive NIMBY genes. redsnapper
  • Score: 1

6:40pm Thu 3 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

RomseyKeith wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol
Oh ****, I've been rumbled! ; )
[quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol[/p][/quote]Oh ****, I've been rumbled! ; ) 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 5

6:43pm Thu 3 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

camerajuan wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol
RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH! Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it.
Gotcha!
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol[/p][/quote]RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH! Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it.[/p][/quote]Gotcha! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 2

6:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Richard 51 wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
And nor do you, you pay VED not road tax, roads are paid out of council tax so we all pay.
Stop blubbing, you'll crease your lycra ; )
[quote][p][bold]Richard 51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]And nor do you, you pay VED not road tax, roads are paid out of council tax so we all pay.[/p][/quote]Stop blubbing, you'll crease your lycra ; ) 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: -1

8:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
Yawn..
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]Yawn.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 1

8:58pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

Torchie1 wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote:
New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please?
New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal!

It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise.
It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?)
In the interest of fairness it's not 3 or 4 days out of 365 it's 3 or 4 out of 104 as the events are held exclusively at week-ends when the density of traffic is at its greatest. It would be much more sensible to hold the events in the middle of the week when the traffic is light.
You're not a nine to five worker then, that is the usual working routine through out the country, minus shift workers; Weekends are exclusively for leisure time for the majority..
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: New Forest Visitor: Hi, can you tell me the way to the Cycle Ride Event please? New Forest Villager (pulls out shotgun): Yeah, back the way you came, city boy. I say yeeha. Squeal Piggy Sueal! It's not a nice view point to have, but some are tarnishing the rest with a very negative brush as these elitist exclusionist people who look down their noses at the great unwashed. Shobby lives in the Forest and doesn't share the exclusionist viewpoint, yet tollerant fair people like that can get tarnished with that same brush, just as the poorer cyclists who ignore red lights tarnish the rest of them like-wise. It's be nice if people just had enough tollerance and patience to put up with odd day's disruption here and there (what 3 or 4 out the 365 days per year?)[/p][/quote]In the interest of fairness it's not 3 or 4 days out of 365 it's 3 or 4 out of 104 as the events are held exclusively at week-ends when the density of traffic is at its greatest. It would be much more sensible to hold the events in the middle of the week when the traffic is light.[/p][/quote]You're not a nine to five worker then, that is the usual working routine through out the country, minus shift workers; Weekends are exclusively for leisure time for the majority.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 1

9:07pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Donald2000 says...

Well done to all who made the spurious excuse that cyclists do not pay road tax. Motorists and everyone else in fact pay for road use which is funded out of council taxes. In addition motorists pay vehicle excise duty which is the cost to them of licensing an individual vehicle which can be tracked by the authorities, which is a good thing, seeing as quite a few "motorists" drive their motors like a lethal weapon.

Seeing that quite a few cyclists are council tax payers, they too pay for the upkeep of the roads. This is a silly argument and shows the level of ignorance floating about.
Well done to all who made the spurious excuse that cyclists do not pay road tax. Motorists and everyone else in fact pay for road use which is funded out of council taxes. In addition motorists pay vehicle excise duty which is the cost to them of licensing an individual vehicle which can be tracked by the authorities, which is a good thing, seeing as quite a few "motorists" drive their motors like a lethal weapon. Seeing that quite a few cyclists are council tax payers, they too pay for the upkeep of the roads. This is a silly argument and shows the level of ignorance floating about. Donald2000
  • Score: -2

12:03am Fri 4 Jul 14

Frank28 says...

Even more hot air and clap-trap from the unelected quango. There are too many ringmasters trying to run the New Forest today. Cyclists can enjoy the freedom and enjoyment of cycling through the New Forest. They should understand that they do this at their own risk, as there are wild animals roaming freely. The NFNPA keeps trying to legislate against our interests of tomorrow - today. If the quango was disbanded tomorrow, no-one would miss it.
Even more hot air and clap-trap from the unelected quango. There are too many ringmasters trying to run the New Forest today. Cyclists can enjoy the freedom and enjoyment of cycling through the New Forest. They should understand that they do this at their own risk, as there are wild animals roaming freely. The NFNPA keeps trying to legislate against our interests of tomorrow - today. If the quango was disbanded tomorrow, no-one would miss it. Frank28
  • Score: 2

8:08am Fri 4 Jul 14

voiceinthecrowd says...

I live on the outskirts and have no objection to NORMAL cyclists just the Lycra Clad Mob who think they don't need to use cycle tracks but travel in often large groups three abreast on the roads.
Make them have insurance like the rest of road users.
I have seen the vast rubbish they leave after an event.
And yes 4x4s are a pain in New Forest as are BMWs & Audis which are driven over the speed limit as of course many due outside the New Forest as well
I live on the outskirts and have no objection to NORMAL cyclists just the Lycra Clad Mob who think they don't need to use cycle tracks but travel in often large groups three abreast on the roads. Make them have insurance like the rest of road users. I have seen the vast rubbish they leave after an event. And yes 4x4s are a pain in New Forest as are BMWs & Audis which are driven over the speed limit as of course many due outside the New Forest as well voiceinthecrowd
  • Score: -3

10:13am Fri 4 Jul 14

Drhysted says...

voiceinthecrowd wrote:
I live on the outskirts and have no objection to NORMAL cyclists just the Lycra Clad Mob who think they don't need to use cycle tracks but travel in often large groups three abreast on the roads.
Make them have insurance like the rest of road users.
I have seen the vast rubbish they leave after an event.
And yes 4x4s are a pain in New Forest as are BMWs & Audis which are driven over the speed limit as of course many due outside the New Forest as well
For the record you can not ride a road bike down the tracks without causing damage (the clue is in the name "road" bike).
A lot of "normal" cyclists wear Lycra (I know I do) because it is the most comfortable clothing for cycling, for example if you go hill walking do you wear walking boots, when running do you wear trainers. The clothing was designed (there is a lot of research that goes into the technical material) for this exact use.
Finally the rubbish from cycle events is nothing compared to the mounds that litter the roads from cars. I have never understood why people can carry things when they are full, but they suddenly become too heavy when empty and have to be thrown away. To date I can actually count on both hands the amount of rubbish that is cycle related (excluding the smashed signs vandalized during the wiggle events), compare this to the continual stream of rubbish that lines the ditches from cars. I'll put this simply to all that visit our forest, I don't care what transport you use, take your rubbish home, the forest is not a rubbish tip!
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: I live on the outskirts and have no objection to NORMAL cyclists just the Lycra Clad Mob who think they don't need to use cycle tracks but travel in often large groups three abreast on the roads. Make them have insurance like the rest of road users. I have seen the vast rubbish they leave after an event. And yes 4x4s are a pain in New Forest as are BMWs & Audis which are driven over the speed limit as of course many due outside the New Forest as well[/p][/quote]For the record you can not ride a road bike down the tracks without causing damage (the clue is in the name "road" bike). A lot of "normal" cyclists wear Lycra (I know I do) because it is the most comfortable clothing for cycling, for example if you go hill walking do you wear walking boots, when running do you wear trainers. The clothing was designed (there is a lot of research that goes into the technical material) for this exact use. Finally the rubbish from cycle events is nothing compared to the mounds that litter the roads from cars. I have never understood why people can carry things when they are full, but they suddenly become too heavy when empty and have to be thrown away. To date I can actually count on both hands the amount of rubbish that is cycle related (excluding the smashed signs vandalized during the wiggle events), compare this to the continual stream of rubbish that lines the ditches from cars. I'll put this simply to all that visit our forest, I don't care what transport you use, take your rubbish home, the forest is not a rubbish tip! Drhysted
  • Score: -1

10:15am Fri 4 Jul 14

Drhysted says...

The next NPA meeting is 25th September 10am, Lymington town hall. Any cyclists that can, please attend, we need to get the truth across not the scaremongering.
The next NPA meeting is 25th September 10am, Lymington town hall. Any cyclists that can, please attend, we need to get the truth across not the scaremongering. Drhysted
  • Score: -1

12:13pm Fri 4 Jul 14

camerajuan says...

Richard 51 wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
And nor do you, you pay VED not road tax, roads are paid out of council tax so we all pay.
See the wink at the end? See the comments after this one? Know the history of the argument?

Clearly you didn't! And took the bait even though it was a deliberately blatant joke!
[quote][p][bold]Richard 51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]And nor do you, you pay VED not road tax, roads are paid out of council tax so we all pay.[/p][/quote]See the wink at the end? See the comments after this one? Know the history of the argument? Clearly you didn't! And took the bait even though it was a deliberately blatant joke! camerajuan
  • Score: -1

12:48pm Fri 4 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Road tax, VED, whatever. It is not the name it is the fact that a vehicle (unless you drive one of those stupid, expensive electric things) owner has to pay to use it on the highway. Now before the cycling wolves jump on me, I do not give a fig if cyclists pay or not. I do not care! I am merely pointing out that vehicle owners pay, cyclists do not. Don't care what you call it, they still pay. In fact it all goes into the same pot for the hogs' snouts to feed.
Road tax, VED, whatever. It is not the name it is the fact that a vehicle (unless you drive one of those stupid, expensive electric things) owner has to pay to use it on the highway. Now before the cycling wolves jump on me, I do not give a fig if cyclists pay or not. I do not care! I am merely pointing out that vehicle owners pay, cyclists do not. Don't care what you call it, they still pay. In fact it all goes into the same pot for the hogs' snouts to feed. forest hump
  • Score: 3

1:33pm Fri 4 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

camerajuan wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol
RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH! Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it.
I find it hilarious that you cyclists have no sense of humour!
Mind you the tongue in cheek comment on the pony story (04/07) is brilliant!
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol[/p][/quote]RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH! Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it.[/p][/quote]I find it hilarious that you cyclists have no sense of humour! Mind you the tongue in cheek comment on the pony story (04/07) is brilliant! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Fri 4 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Drhysted wrote:
voiceinthecrowd wrote: I live on the outskirts and have no objection to NORMAL cyclists just the Lycra Clad Mob who think they don't need to use cycle tracks but travel in often large groups three abreast on the roads. Make them have insurance like the rest of road users. I have seen the vast rubbish they leave after an event. And yes 4x4s are a pain in New Forest as are BMWs & Audis which are driven over the speed limit as of course many due outside the New Forest as well
For the record you can not ride a road bike down the tracks without causing damage (the clue is in the name "road" bike). A lot of "normal" cyclists wear Lycra (I know I do) because it is the most comfortable clothing for cycling, for example if you go hill walking do you wear walking boots, when running do you wear trainers. The clothing was designed (there is a lot of research that goes into the technical material) for this exact use. Finally the rubbish from cycle events is nothing compared to the mounds that litter the roads from cars. I have never understood why people can carry things when they are full, but they suddenly become too heavy when empty and have to be thrown away. To date I can actually count on both hands the amount of rubbish that is cycle related (excluding the smashed signs vandalized during the wiggle events), compare this to the continual stream of rubbish that lines the ditches from cars. I'll put this simply to all that visit our forest, I don't care what transport you use, take your rubbish home, the forest is not a rubbish tip!
We have a guy at work who cycles in to work in his lycra uniform, and tbh he stinks! Carry deodorant in your saddle bags please....just saying
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: I live on the outskirts and have no objection to NORMAL cyclists just the Lycra Clad Mob who think they don't need to use cycle tracks but travel in often large groups three abreast on the roads. Make them have insurance like the rest of road users. I have seen the vast rubbish they leave after an event. And yes 4x4s are a pain in New Forest as are BMWs & Audis which are driven over the speed limit as of course many due outside the New Forest as well[/p][/quote]For the record you can not ride a road bike down the tracks without causing damage (the clue is in the name "road" bike). A lot of "normal" cyclists wear Lycra (I know I do) because it is the most comfortable clothing for cycling, for example if you go hill walking do you wear walking boots, when running do you wear trainers. The clothing was designed (there is a lot of research that goes into the technical material) for this exact use. Finally the rubbish from cycle events is nothing compared to the mounds that litter the roads from cars. I have never understood why people can carry things when they are full, but they suddenly become too heavy when empty and have to be thrown away. To date I can actually count on both hands the amount of rubbish that is cycle related (excluding the smashed signs vandalized during the wiggle events), compare this to the continual stream of rubbish that lines the ditches from cars. I'll put this simply to all that visit our forest, I don't care what transport you use, take your rubbish home, the forest is not a rubbish tip![/p][/quote]We have a guy at work who cycles in to work in his lycra uniform, and tbh he stinks! Carry deodorant in your saddle bags please....just saying 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 2

1:39pm Fri 4 Jul 14

joiner123 says...

TobyB1960 wrote:
Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance!
Because then all the so called "locals" will have to sell their vehicles. Then how will they get home from the busy office jobs? Especially the ones that come from London
[quote][p][bold]TobyB1960[/bold] wrote: Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance![/p][/quote]Because then all the so called "locals" will have to sell their vehicles. Then how will they get home from the busy office jobs? Especially the ones that come from London joiner123
  • Score: 0

2:03pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

joiner123 wrote:
TobyB1960 wrote:
Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance!
Because then all the so called "locals" will have to sell their vehicles. Then how will they get home from the busy office jobs? Especially the ones that come from London
Do I sense a bit of penis envy from the owner of a ten year old Corsa?
[quote][p][bold]joiner123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TobyB1960[/bold] wrote: Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance![/p][/quote]Because then all the so called "locals" will have to sell their vehicles. Then how will they get home from the busy office jobs? Especially the ones that come from London[/p][/quote]Do I sense a bit of penis envy from the owner of a ten year old Corsa? Torchie1
  • Score: -2

3:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

camerajuan says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)
He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol
RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH! Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it.
I find it hilarious that you cyclists have no sense of humour!
Mind you the tongue in cheek comment on the pony story (04/07) is brilliant!
I have an excellent sense of humour! I was right on board with your comedy road tax analogy but I do still find it funny when people use that excuse to slander cyclists on a serious note!
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Why do they think they've got the right to block up the roads with mass cycling events......they don't even pay road tax ! ;)[/p][/quote]He lights the fuse and stands well back... lol[/p][/quote]RAHRAHRAH! Ruddy people! RAHRAHRAH! Love the road tax argument, its hilarious that some people still don't understand it.[/p][/quote]I find it hilarious that you cyclists have no sense of humour! Mind you the tongue in cheek comment on the pony story (04/07) is brilliant![/p][/quote]I have an excellent sense of humour! I was right on board with your comedy road tax analogy but I do still find it funny when people use that excuse to slander cyclists on a serious note! camerajuan
  • Score: -3

10:36pm Fri 4 Jul 14

joiner123 says...

Torchie1 wrote:
joiner123 wrote:
TobyB1960 wrote:
Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance!
Because then all the so called "locals" will have to sell their vehicles. Then how will they get home from the busy office jobs? Especially the ones that come from London
Do I sense a bit of penis envy from the owner of a ten year old Corsa?
well as the saying goes people with flash cars have tiny a penis so no not really.

you didn't really think that attempt at an insult though did you?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joiner123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TobyB1960[/bold] wrote: Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance![/p][/quote]Because then all the so called "locals" will have to sell their vehicles. Then how will they get home from the busy office jobs? Especially the ones that come from London[/p][/quote]Do I sense a bit of penis envy from the owner of a ten year old Corsa?[/p][/quote]well as the saying goes people with flash cars have tiny a penis so no not really. you didn't really think that attempt at an insult though did you? joiner123
  • Score: 1

10:44am Sat 5 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

joiner123 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
joiner123 wrote:
TobyB1960 wrote:
Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance!
Because then all the so called "locals" will have to sell their vehicles. Then how will they get home from the busy office jobs? Especially the ones that come from London
Do I sense a bit of penis envy from the owner of a ten year old Corsa?
well as the saying goes people with flash cars have tiny a penis so no not really.

you didn't really think that attempt at an insult though did you?
I think the reality is that you have spent a lot more time looking a lot deeper than I did, so it is envy then?
[quote][p][bold]joiner123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joiner123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TobyB1960[/bold] wrote: Any chance of the new Forest Chief lobbing the government about banning 4x4's which kill our ponies. Fat chance![/p][/quote]Because then all the so called "locals" will have to sell their vehicles. Then how will they get home from the busy office jobs? Especially the ones that come from London[/p][/quote]Do I sense a bit of penis envy from the owner of a ten year old Corsa?[/p][/quote]well as the saying goes people with flash cars have tiny a penis so no not really. you didn't really think that attempt at an insult though did you?[/p][/quote]I think the reality is that you have spent a lot more time looking a lot deeper than I did, so it is envy then? Torchie1
  • Score: -6

10:37am Mon 7 Jul 14

joiner123 says...

Envy at what? Your failure to conjure up a basic insult? No not really.
Envy at what? Your failure to conjure up a basic insult? No not really. joiner123
  • Score: 2

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