List of over 60 schools to close due to strike action by teachers

Over 50 schools to close due to strike action by teachers

Over 50 schools to close due to strike action by teachers

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MORE than 60 schools have already announced that they will be closed to all or some students as a result of tomorrow's industrial action.

The National Union of Teachers has announced it will be taking part in the action which means schools across Hampshire could be hit by closures by striking teachers.

So far 66 schools have confirmed to the Daily Echo that they will be closed completely or partially due to lack of staff.

Dozens more schools have said they were not in a position to confirm whether they will be closing as teachers are not bound to inform head teachers of their intention to strike ahead of any planned industrial action.

Speaking ahead of the strike, Pete Sopowski, NUT representative for Southampton, said he expected a good show of support for the strike by key unions.

He said: “We are going out with them [other public sector workers] because joint action is better than individual action.

“The Government should be blamed because it will not negotiate with the teachers.

“We hope parents and grandparents will understand our struggle. Teachers can't afford to go on strike but feel they have to for their own futures.”

The NUT has already taken part in a number of strike days this year in protest over pay, pensions and workload.

They have accused the government of failing to negotiate properly over the changes, a claim Whitehall officials have denied.

The Department for Education has said that there is no justification for further strikes as officials have been actively engaged in talks which were ongoing.

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8:57pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Major Ray Cist says...

Oh dear oh dear, here we go again, teachers trying to out do the fire brigade on how many extra days you can off a year.
Oh dear oh dear, here we go again, teachers trying to out do the fire brigade on how many extra days you can off a year. Major Ray Cist
  • Score: -62

10:44pm Tue 8 Jul 14

solomum says...

The strike is on Thursday, 10th, not tomorrow.
The strike is on Thursday, 10th, not tomorrow. solomum
  • Score: 4

11:02pm Tue 8 Jul 14

TangoMax says...

Surely the editor and the writer both need new jobs?
Surely the editor and the writer both need new jobs? TangoMax
  • Score: 6

12:37am Wed 9 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

At least some are standing up for their rights & fighting! There seems to be a growing number of people who will just roll over & take what they are given.. I call that weak & government love that.... Good luck to all those who are participating on the 10th
At least some are standing up for their rights & fighting! There seems to be a growing number of people who will just roll over & take what they are given.. I call that weak & government love that.... Good luck to all those who are participating on the 10th Solent Soul
  • Score: 33

8:00am Wed 9 Jul 14

saintsfan76 says...

Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June. saintsfan76
  • Score: 4

8:01am Wed 9 Jul 14

saintsfan76 says...

saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
[quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!! saintsfan76
  • Score: 4

8:10am Wed 9 Jul 14

Forest Resident says...

Cue a few feckless parents stupidly moaning why they can't take their little Charmaibe or Tyrone out of school during term time, yet teachers can exercise their completely unrelated and entirely lawful right to strike by withdrawing their labour. The two are not related in the slightest, parents who suggest otherwise clearly didn't pay enough attention at school themselves. Good luck to all teachers and other public sector workers who are walking out tomorrow, this government need to wake up.
Cue a few feckless parents stupidly moaning why they can't take their little Charmaibe or Tyrone out of school during term time, yet teachers can exercise their completely unrelated and entirely lawful right to strike by withdrawing their labour. The two are not related in the slightest, parents who suggest otherwise clearly didn't pay enough attention at school themselves. Good luck to all teachers and other public sector workers who are walking out tomorrow, this government need to wake up. Forest Resident
  • Score: 39

8:15am Wed 9 Jul 14

Ozmosis says...

saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Article was posted at 10:45 the Tuesday evening
[quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Article was posted at 10:45 the Tuesday evening Ozmosis
  • Score: 5

8:20am Wed 9 Jul 14

solomum says...

saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
This report was put on here yesterday though.
[quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]This report was put on here yesterday though. solomum
  • Score: 2

8:31am Wed 9 Jul 14

wknight says...

The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise?

The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either.

Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.
The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise? The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either. Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut. wknight
  • Score: -11

9:06am Wed 9 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Dont know why parents will be moaning ... after all ... King Edwards is shut for three days and the parents there dont appear to mind .... and they werent given a months notice either
Dont know why parents will be moaning ... after all ... King Edwards is shut for three days and the parents there dont appear to mind .... and they werent given a months notice either Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

10:11am Wed 9 Jul 14

southy says...

saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
[quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike southy
  • Score: 2

10:31am Wed 9 Jul 14

Cyber__Fug says...

So who else is involved in this national strike ?
So who else is involved in this national strike ? Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 0

10:32am Wed 9 Jul 14

From the sidelines says...

wknight wrote:
The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise?

The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either.

Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.
I can only assume that the other posters here, and those who voted your post down, are either too stupid to understand the economic facts that you present, or they are themselves parasites sucking at the taxpayer's teats.
[quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise? The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either. Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.[/p][/quote]I can only assume that the other posters here, and those who voted your post down, are either too stupid to understand the economic facts that you present, or they are themselves parasites sucking at the taxpayer's teats. From the sidelines
  • Score: -21

10:52am Wed 9 Jul 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 10

11:01am Wed 9 Jul 14

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike.

The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.[/p][/quote]Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike. The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy southy
  • Score: 0

11:08am Wed 9 Jul 14

southy says...

From the sidelines wrote:
wknight wrote:
The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise?

The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either.

Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.
I can only assume that the other posters here, and those who voted your post down, are either too stupid to understand the economic facts that you present, or they are themselves parasites sucking at the taxpayer's teats.
The problem that the man believed in the Government spin, it is affordable or else the government would not allow Tax advoidence by the top 2%, Who are costing this country the most in lost revenue) they would not give reductions (or not paying) in NI contribations, we live in a false economy and economy where the super rich benefit and the poor do all the paying
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise? The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either. Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.[/p][/quote]I can only assume that the other posters here, and those who voted your post down, are either too stupid to understand the economic facts that you present, or they are themselves parasites sucking at the taxpayer's teats.[/p][/quote]The problem that the man believed in the Government spin, it is affordable or else the government would not allow Tax advoidence by the top 2%, Who are costing this country the most in lost revenue) they would not give reductions (or not paying) in NI contribations, we live in a false economy and economy where the super rich benefit and the poor do all the paying southy
  • Score: 12

11:15am Wed 9 Jul 14

Mary80 says...

Surely the teachers should tell the parents if they're going to strike as many would need to make emergency plans if they're at work.
Surely the teachers should tell the parents if they're going to strike as many would need to make emergency plans if they're at work. Mary80
  • Score: 0

11:15am Wed 9 Jul 14

aldermoorboy says...

The left love a good strike the bigger the better, why make it continuous and we can all starve together.
The left love a good strike the bigger the better, why make it continuous and we can all starve together. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -8

11:23am Wed 9 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Mary80 wrote:
Surely the teachers should tell the parents if they're going to strike as many would need to make emergency plans if they're at work.
THey did a month ago
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: Surely the teachers should tell the parents if they're going to strike as many would need to make emergency plans if they're at work.[/p][/quote]THey did a month ago Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 11

12:41pm Wed 9 Jul 14

southy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
The left love a good strike the bigger the better, why make it continuous and we can all starve together.
No they do not, strikes are the last option that is taken, and yes bigger is better it resolves a dispute quicker, its small strikes that take a long time to resolve, look at a stike in london by the film developers that went on for years in a bitter dispute all because it was to small.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: The left love a good strike the bigger the better, why make it continuous and we can all starve together.[/p][/quote]No they do not, strikes are the last option that is taken, and yes bigger is better it resolves a dispute quicker, its small strikes that take a long time to resolve, look at a stike in london by the film developers that went on for years in a bitter dispute all because it was to small. southy
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike.

The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy
Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.[/p][/quote]Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike. The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy[/p][/quote]Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 3

1:40pm Wed 9 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike.

The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy
Aha, so now you changed your mind from there is a general strike to, I think it should be a general strike.

You're slipping Southy.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.[/p][/quote]Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike. The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy[/p][/quote]Aha, so now you changed your mind from there is a general strike to, I think it should be a general strike. You're slipping Southy. IronLady2010
  • Score: 2

2:15pm Wed 9 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

Personally, I do not like strike action, I believe it's a form of blackmail.

However, I would not like to be a teacher in this modern day. So I have to have some sympathy with them.

They have to tolerate abuse off pupils with limited things they can do to control some of the little cherubs.

I appreciate they made the choice to go into the teaching profession but, they sometimes do need danger money as it's a job I could never do.
Personally, I do not like strike action, I believe it's a form of blackmail. However, I would not like to be a teacher in this modern day. So I have to have some sympathy with them. They have to tolerate abuse off pupils with limited things they can do to control some of the little cherubs. I appreciate they made the choice to go into the teaching profession but, they sometimes do need danger money as it's a job I could never do. IronLady2010
  • Score: 6

2:40pm Wed 9 Jul 14

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike.

The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy
Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.
Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.[/p][/quote]Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike. The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy[/p][/quote]Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.[/p][/quote]Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations. southy
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Wed 9 Jul 14

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike.

The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy
Aha, so now you changed your mind from there is a general strike to, I think it should be a general strike.

You're slipping Southy.
You need to learn the difference between National Strike to General Strike, theres a 1 day National Strike today, that is not a General Strike, a General Strike is where all workers come out on strike in both Private or Public sector.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.[/p][/quote]Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike. The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy[/p][/quote]Aha, so now you changed your mind from there is a general strike to, I think it should be a general strike. You're slipping Southy.[/p][/quote]You need to learn the difference between National Strike to General Strike, theres a 1 day National Strike today, that is not a General Strike, a General Strike is where all workers come out on strike in both Private or Public sector. southy
  • Score: 1

2:51pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
The left love a good strike the bigger the better, why make it continuous and we can all starve together.
No they do not, strikes are the last option that is taken, and yes bigger is better it resolves a dispute quicker, its small strikes that take a long time to resolve, look at a stike in london by the film developers that went on for years in a bitter dispute all because it was to small.
Peter, if you are referring to Grunwick strike, it did not fail because it was only industrial action against a single employers by if not all but mostly women of Indian origin.

Grunwick strikers were back stabbed by Sunny Jim Calahan led Labour government and hypocrisy of some prominent trade union leaders, who paid plenty of lip service to the cause of strikers, but did not put their money where their mouths were.

My own union T&G led by Jack Jones (yes I had lot of respect for him due to many other reasons, like him having fought against fascism in Spain) was provided with great opportunity when water supply to Grunwick burst. But T&G refused to ask its members not to restore supply to place run by scabs.

Jack Dromey had encouraged the strike, and in fairness for a long time, helped the strikers a lot, but then like typical trade union officials, joined the pressure upon workers to call off strike at meeting in Wembly Conference Centre, where strikers were out voted by many turn coat supporters.

The working class frequently gets hoodwinked by the power of pro rich media and also habitually tends to be self centred. Rather than uniting and backing each other most workers tend to start talking the language of pro bosses press. Sadly it is exactly what is happening to the genuine cause of teachers and firefighters.

Before criticising teachers other working class people should be thinking that sooner or later they could be in the same situation, and asking themselves how will they feel if teachers won't show solidarity?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: The left love a good strike the bigger the better, why make it continuous and we can all starve together.[/p][/quote]No they do not, strikes are the last option that is taken, and yes bigger is better it resolves a dispute quicker, its small strikes that take a long time to resolve, look at a stike in london by the film developers that went on for years in a bitter dispute all because it was to small.[/p][/quote]Peter, if you are referring to Grunwick strike, it did not fail because it was only industrial action against a single employers by if not all but mostly women of Indian origin. Grunwick strikers were back stabbed by Sunny Jim Calahan led Labour government and hypocrisy of some prominent trade union leaders, who paid plenty of lip service to the cause of strikers, but did not put their money where their mouths were. My own union T&G led by Jack Jones (yes I had lot of respect for him due to many other reasons, like him having fought against fascism in Spain) was provided with great opportunity when water supply to Grunwick burst. But T&G refused to ask its members not to restore supply to place run by scabs. Jack Dromey had encouraged the strike, and in fairness for a long time, helped the strikers a lot, but then like typical trade union officials, joined the pressure upon workers to call off strike at meeting in Wembly Conference Centre, where strikers were out voted by many turn coat supporters. The working class frequently gets hoodwinked by the power of pro rich media and also habitually tends to be self centred. Rather than uniting and backing each other most workers tend to start talking the language of pro bosses press. Sadly it is exactly what is happening to the genuine cause of teachers and firefighters. Before criticising teachers other working class people should be thinking that sooner or later they could be in the same situation, and asking themselves how will they feel if teachers won't show solidarity? Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 4

3:49pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike.

The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy
Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.
Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations.
So it is our economy really, its just changed over years and most people have adapted it, others sadly don't seem to be able to cope with it.

Whether it's right or whether its wrong it's the way it is and we all have to adapt and change our lives to suit. Holding people to ransom doesn't work any more, I would have thought after all of these years you would have been able to see that.

I could have stayed moping around in Southampton but I decided to change my life so I moved elsewhere in the EU where the opportunities where better for me. As well as enjoying life, I am also now running a successful business and able to employ two other people so they too can enjoy their lives more than they could before I employed them.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.[/p][/quote]Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike. The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy[/p][/quote]Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.[/p][/quote]Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations.[/p][/quote]So it is our economy really, its just changed over years and most people have adapted it, others sadly don't seem to be able to cope with it. Whether it's right or whether its wrong it's the way it is and we all have to adapt and change our lives to suit. Holding people to ransom doesn't work any more, I would have thought after all of these years you would have been able to see that. I could have stayed moping around in Southampton but I decided to change my life so I moved elsewhere in the EU where the opportunities where better for me. As well as enjoying life, I am also now running a successful business and able to employ two other people so they too can enjoy their lives more than they could before I employed them. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 1

4:19pm Wed 9 Jul 14

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike.

The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy
Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.
Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations.
So it is our economy really, its just changed over years and most people have adapted it, others sadly don't seem to be able to cope with it.

Whether it's right or whether its wrong it's the way it is and we all have to adapt and change our lives to suit. Holding people to ransom doesn't work any more, I would have thought after all of these years you would have been able to see that.

I could have stayed moping around in Southampton but I decided to change my life so I moved elsewhere in the EU where the opportunities where better for me. As well as enjoying life, I am also now running a successful business and able to employ two other people so they too can enjoy their lives more than they could before I employed them.
So Southampton no longer concern you any more, its not our economy, you can't adapt with some that is not not ours.
And the way to change things for the better for most is to have a revolution (the peaceful kind), and striking is not blackmail its the last result of action to be taken, its bosses that blackmail they threaten there workers with blackmail.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.[/p][/quote]Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike. The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy[/p][/quote]Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.[/p][/quote]Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations.[/p][/quote]So it is our economy really, its just changed over years and most people have adapted it, others sadly don't seem to be able to cope with it. Whether it's right or whether its wrong it's the way it is and we all have to adapt and change our lives to suit. Holding people to ransom doesn't work any more, I would have thought after all of these years you would have been able to see that. I could have stayed moping around in Southampton but I decided to change my life so I moved elsewhere in the EU where the opportunities where better for me. As well as enjoying life, I am also now running a successful business and able to employ two other people so they too can enjoy their lives more than they could before I employed them.[/p][/quote]So Southampton no longer concern you any more, its not our economy, you can't adapt with some that is not not ours. And the way to change things for the better for most is to have a revolution (the peaceful kind), and striking is not blackmail its the last result of action to be taken, its bosses that blackmail they threaten there workers with blackmail. southy
  • Score: -1

4:26pm Wed 9 Jul 14

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
The left love a good strike the bigger the better, why make it continuous and we can all starve together.
No they do not, strikes are the last option that is taken, and yes bigger is better it resolves a dispute quicker, its small strikes that take a long time to resolve, look at a stike in london by the film developers that went on for years in a bitter dispute all because it was to small.
Peter, if you are referring to Grunwick strike, it did not fail because it was only industrial action against a single employers by if not all but mostly women of Indian origin.

Grunwick strikers were back stabbed by Sunny Jim Calahan led Labour government and hypocrisy of some prominent trade union leaders, who paid plenty of lip service to the cause of strikers, but did not put their money where their mouths were.

My own union T&G led by Jack Jones (yes I had lot of respect for him due to many other reasons, like him having fought against fascism in Spain) was provided with great opportunity when water supply to Grunwick burst. But T&G refused to ask its members not to restore supply to place run by scabs.

Jack Dromey had encouraged the strike, and in fairness for a long time, helped the strikers a lot, but then like typical trade union officials, joined the pressure upon workers to call off strike at meeting in Wembly Conference Centre, where strikers were out voted by many turn coat supporters.

The working class frequently gets hoodwinked by the power of pro rich media and also habitually tends to be self centred. Rather than uniting and backing each other most workers tend to start talking the language of pro bosses press. Sadly it is exactly what is happening to the genuine cause of teachers and firefighters.

Before criticising teachers other working class people should be thinking that sooner or later they could be in the same situation, and asking themselves how will they feel if teachers won't show solidarity?
There was a lot wrong with that strike and yes certain union exc's where well out of order by saying things but when it was action that they needed it never happen. I all ways though Gentleman Jim was the wrong leader for the Labour Party, he was to much into right wing policys
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: The left love a good strike the bigger the better, why make it continuous and we can all starve together.[/p][/quote]No they do not, strikes are the last option that is taken, and yes bigger is better it resolves a dispute quicker, its small strikes that take a long time to resolve, look at a stike in london by the film developers that went on for years in a bitter dispute all because it was to small.[/p][/quote]Peter, if you are referring to Grunwick strike, it did not fail because it was only industrial action against a single employers by if not all but mostly women of Indian origin. Grunwick strikers were back stabbed by Sunny Jim Calahan led Labour government and hypocrisy of some prominent trade union leaders, who paid plenty of lip service to the cause of strikers, but did not put their money where their mouths were. My own union T&G led by Jack Jones (yes I had lot of respect for him due to many other reasons, like him having fought against fascism in Spain) was provided with great opportunity when water supply to Grunwick burst. But T&G refused to ask its members not to restore supply to place run by scabs. Jack Dromey had encouraged the strike, and in fairness for a long time, helped the strikers a lot, but then like typical trade union officials, joined the pressure upon workers to call off strike at meeting in Wembly Conference Centre, where strikers were out voted by many turn coat supporters. The working class frequently gets hoodwinked by the power of pro rich media and also habitually tends to be self centred. Rather than uniting and backing each other most workers tend to start talking the language of pro bosses press. Sadly it is exactly what is happening to the genuine cause of teachers and firefighters. Before criticising teachers other working class people should be thinking that sooner or later they could be in the same situation, and asking themselves how will they feel if teachers won't show solidarity?[/p][/quote]There was a lot wrong with that strike and yes certain union exc's where well out of order by saying things but when it was action that they needed it never happen. I all ways though Gentleman Jim was the wrong leader for the Labour Party, he was to much into right wing policys southy
  • Score: -1

4:45pm Wed 9 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike.

The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy
Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.
Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations.
So it is our economy really, its just changed over years and most people have adapted it, others sadly don't seem to be able to cope with it.

Whether it's right or whether its wrong it's the way it is and we all have to adapt and change our lives to suit. Holding people to ransom doesn't work any more, I would have thought after all of these years you would have been able to see that.

I could have stayed moping around in Southampton but I decided to change my life so I moved elsewhere in the EU where the opportunities where better for me. As well as enjoying life, I am also now running a successful business and able to employ two other people so they too can enjoy their lives more than they could before I employed them.
So Southampton no longer concern you any more, its not our economy, you can't adapt with some that is not not ours.
And the way to change things for the better for most is to have a revolution (the peaceful kind), and striking is not blackmail its the last result of action to be taken, its bosses that blackmail they threaten there workers with blackmail.
How do you blackmail workers?

If you run a business, you are in charge. People are not forced to work for them, they are free to leave and go elsewhere.

The only blackmail is some workers who think they deserve more.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.[/p][/quote]Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike. The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy[/p][/quote]Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.[/p][/quote]Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations.[/p][/quote]So it is our economy really, its just changed over years and most people have adapted it, others sadly don't seem to be able to cope with it. Whether it's right or whether its wrong it's the way it is and we all have to adapt and change our lives to suit. Holding people to ransom doesn't work any more, I would have thought after all of these years you would have been able to see that. I could have stayed moping around in Southampton but I decided to change my life so I moved elsewhere in the EU where the opportunities where better for me. As well as enjoying life, I am also now running a successful business and able to employ two other people so they too can enjoy their lives more than they could before I employed them.[/p][/quote]So Southampton no longer concern you any more, its not our economy, you can't adapt with some that is not not ours. And the way to change things for the better for most is to have a revolution (the peaceful kind), and striking is not blackmail its the last result of action to be taken, its bosses that blackmail they threaten there workers with blackmail.[/p][/quote]How do you blackmail workers? If you run a business, you are in charge. People are not forced to work for them, they are free to leave and go elsewhere. The only blackmail is some workers who think they deserve more. IronLady2010
  • Score: -4

4:45pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Hastagger says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Cue a few feckless parents stupidly moaning why they can't take their little Charmaibe or Tyrone out of school during term time, yet teachers can exercise their completely unrelated and entirely lawful right to strike by withdrawing their labour. The two are not related in the slightest, parents who suggest otherwise clearly didn't pay enough attention at school themselves. Good luck to all teachers and other public sector workers who are walking out tomorrow, this government need to wake up.
The government did wake up. To all the unfunded liabilities left by labour. £10000 of income for a 65 year old costs roughly £285,000 to purchase, so think of a teacher, retiring on 2/3rds of their final salary, multiply that by the number of teachers, add in their tax free cash, and then you might be able to see why their pensions are an unfunded, unaffordable liability for the UK. What's more, as these are not provided for by the purchase of an annuity, they are subsidised out of existing teachers contributions, which is why their contributions have to go up. Add to this increased life expectancy etc...

#trends
#yougotschooled
#owned
#factsandfiguresnote
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[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Cue a few feckless parents stupidly moaning why they can't take their little Charmaibe or Tyrone out of school during term time, yet teachers can exercise their completely unrelated and entirely lawful right to strike by withdrawing their labour. The two are not related in the slightest, parents who suggest otherwise clearly didn't pay enough attention at school themselves. Good luck to all teachers and other public sector workers who are walking out tomorrow, this government need to wake up.[/p][/quote]The government did wake up. To all the unfunded liabilities left by labour. £10000 of income for a 65 year old costs roughly £285,000 to purchase, so think of a teacher, retiring on 2/3rds of their final salary, multiply that by the number of teachers, add in their tax free cash, and then you might be able to see why their pensions are an unfunded, unaffordable liability for the UK. What's more, as these are not provided for by the purchase of an annuity, they are subsidised out of existing teachers contributions, which is why their contributions have to go up. Add to this increased life expectancy etc... #trends #yougotschooled #owned #factsandfiguresnote motions Hastagger
  • Score: -3

4:52pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Nod says...

Disgraceful that the NUT can take people on strike based on a ballot that happened over two years ago.

thankfully the sensible unions like the NASUWT aren't going out on full strike, and only a few children are effected by the imbecilic behavior of their teachers who are NUT (Not Up to the Task) of educating properly.
Disgraceful that the NUT can take people on strike based on a ballot that happened over two years ago. thankfully the sensible unions like the NASUWT aren't going out on full strike, and only a few children are effected by the imbecilic behavior of their teachers who are NUT (Not Up to the Task) of educating properly. Nod
  • Score: -5

5:13pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.
Er I meant July!!
The article was posted up on Tue's night.

It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike
But will it really be 'national' strike?

Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour.

That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades.

Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.
Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike.

The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy
Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.
Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations.
So it is our economy really, its just changed over years and most people have adapted it, others sadly don't seem to be able to cope with it.

Whether it's right or whether its wrong it's the way it is and we all have to adapt and change our lives to suit. Holding people to ransom doesn't work any more, I would have thought after all of these years you would have been able to see that.

I could have stayed moping around in Southampton but I decided to change my life so I moved elsewhere in the EU where the opportunities where better for me. As well as enjoying life, I am also now running a successful business and able to employ two other people so they too can enjoy their lives more than they could before I employed them.
So Southampton no longer concern you any more, its not our economy, you can't adapt with some that is not not ours.
And the way to change things for the better for most is to have a revolution (the peaceful kind), and striking is not blackmail its the last result of action to be taken, its bosses that blackmail they threaten there workers with blackmail.
Southampton is still a concern of mine for various reasons including family, property and investments. Luckily from an early age I realised that "no one is owed a living" so got off of my arse and worked to provide a better life for me and my family.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: Tomorrow is Thursday 10th June.[/p][/quote]Er I meant July!![/p][/quote]The article was posted up on Tue's night. It's not just the Teacher's that are striking tomorrow, tomorrow theres a national strike[/p][/quote]But will it really be 'national' strike? Sadly our so called trade union leaders don't want that to happen, because the pro bosses media will start blaming union leaders anti union leadership of NuLabour. That is why the governments of all main parties, as employers have kept on exploiting and victimising workers for many decades. Public sector and private sector workers should not be divided, they should all be taking a united action against exploitation by the bosses. Only that kind of national shut down can make the arrogant bosses see some sense.[/p][/quote]Really it should be a General strike as nothing going to change till the Unions call a Gerneral Strike. The economy should not worrie ordinary people on the streets as it is not there economy[/p][/quote]Surely "ordinary people" are a vital part of the economy ? they earn money and spend money which is quite vital. Not everyone is as unemployable as yourself.[/p][/quote]Normally yes but this is not our economy, its a rich and big business economy. the real economy is being ignored, people need real secure jobs at reasonable hours and at reasonable pay, at the moment poeple are being over worked so they don't get time to spend and the pay is to poorly to make ends meet to be able to spend, and the jobs are not there any more the ordinary people have been sold out to big business corporations.[/p][/quote]So it is our economy really, its just changed over years and most people have adapted it, others sadly don't seem to be able to cope with it. Whether it's right or whether its wrong it's the way it is and we all have to adapt and change our lives to suit. Holding people to ransom doesn't work any more, I would have thought after all of these years you would have been able to see that. I could have stayed moping around in Southampton but I decided to change my life so I moved elsewhere in the EU where the opportunities where better for me. As well as enjoying life, I am also now running a successful business and able to employ two other people so they too can enjoy their lives more than they could before I employed them.[/p][/quote]So Southampton no longer concern you any more, its not our economy, you can't adapt with some that is not not ours. And the way to change things for the better for most is to have a revolution (the peaceful kind), and striking is not blackmail its the last result of action to be taken, its bosses that blackmail they threaten there workers with blackmail.[/p][/quote]Southampton is still a concern of mine for various reasons including family, property and investments. Luckily from an early age I realised that "no one is owed a living" so got off of my arse and worked to provide a better life for me and my family. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 7

5:21pm Wed 9 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

Fair play to you! x
Fair play to you! x IronLady2010
  • Score: 0

7:25pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Joseph Public says...

wknight wrote:
The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise?

The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either.

Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.
Close, but no toffee apple. The EMPLOYER contributes 14% and the employee's contribution is on a sliding scale based on earnings.

P.S. I agree with the rest of your post
[quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise? The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either. Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.[/p][/quote]Close, but no toffee apple. The EMPLOYER contributes 14% and the employee's contribution is on a sliding scale based on earnings. P.S. I agree with the rest of your post Joseph Public
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7:59pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Superior Being says...

We all know that pensions for the hard working folk wouldn't even be a bother if the government didn't give out so much benefit money.
We all know that pensions for the hard working folk wouldn't even be a bother if the government didn't give out so much benefit money. Superior Being
  • Score: 0

8:31pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Forest Resident says...

Hastagger wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Cue a few feckless parents stupidly moaning why they can't take their little Charmaibe or Tyrone out of school during term time, yet teachers can exercise their completely unrelated and entirely lawful right to strike by withdrawing their labour. The two are not related in the slightest, parents who suggest otherwise clearly didn't pay enough attention at school themselves. Good luck to all teachers and other public sector workers who are walking out tomorrow, this government need to wake up.
The government did wake up. To all the unfunded liabilities left by labour. £10000 of income for a 65 year old costs roughly £285,000 to purchase, so think of a teacher, retiring on 2/3rds of their final salary, multiply that by the number of teachers, add in their tax free cash, and then you might be able to see why their pensions are an unfunded, unaffordable liability for the UK. What's more, as these are not provided for by the purchase of an annuity, they are subsidised out of existing teachers contributions, which is why their contributions have to go up. Add to this increased life expectancy etc...

#trends
#yougotschooled
#owned
#factsandfiguresnote

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With that attitude I guess you'd be quite happy for your employer to tear up and rewrite your terms and conditions as and when they felt like it then?
[quote][p][bold]Hastagger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Cue a few feckless parents stupidly moaning why they can't take their little Charmaibe or Tyrone out of school during term time, yet teachers can exercise their completely unrelated and entirely lawful right to strike by withdrawing their labour. The two are not related in the slightest, parents who suggest otherwise clearly didn't pay enough attention at school themselves. Good luck to all teachers and other public sector workers who are walking out tomorrow, this government need to wake up.[/p][/quote]The government did wake up. To all the unfunded liabilities left by labour. £10000 of income for a 65 year old costs roughly £285,000 to purchase, so think of a teacher, retiring on 2/3rds of their final salary, multiply that by the number of teachers, add in their tax free cash, and then you might be able to see why their pensions are an unfunded, unaffordable liability for the UK. What's more, as these are not provided for by the purchase of an annuity, they are subsidised out of existing teachers contributions, which is why their contributions have to go up. Add to this increased life expectancy etc... #trends #yougotschooled #owned #factsandfiguresnote motions[/p][/quote]With that attitude I guess you'd be quite happy for your employer to tear up and rewrite your terms and conditions as and when they felt like it then? Forest Resident
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8:59pm Wed 9 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

At least the DVD players will get a rest , thats all teachers do in July ,, they start the so-called lesson with "we are going to learn (blah) today by watching this ....." LOL
At least the DVD players will get a rest , thats all teachers do in July ,, they start the so-called lesson with "we are going to learn (blah) today by watching this ....." [ and then press play ] LOL steekeemcglue
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12:45am Thu 10 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

From the sidelines wrote:
wknight wrote:
The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise?

The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either.

Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.
I can only assume that the other posters here, and those who voted your post down, are either too stupid to understand the economic facts that you present, or they are themselves parasites sucking at the taxpayer's teats.
Like this country is that much in debt that the government still managed to find the finances to bail out the banks, payed for by us because of their blunders; or lowering the top rate of tax for the rich to become even more wealthy & then they have the cheek to criticise the hard working people trying to stand up for what they pay for & were promised to support their families financial futures?? You are some sort of weak willed nob aren't you? Best run along with ur government & bank buddies who are also ruining this once great country, do us all a favour & find a big rock to crawl under..
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise? The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either. Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.[/p][/quote]I can only assume that the other posters here, and those who voted your post down, are either too stupid to understand the economic facts that you present, or they are themselves parasites sucking at the taxpayer's teats.[/p][/quote]Like this country is that much in debt that the government still managed to find the finances to bail out the banks, payed for by us because of their blunders; or lowering the top rate of tax for the rich to become even more wealthy & then they have the cheek to criticise the hard working people trying to stand up for what they pay for & were promised to support their families financial futures?? You are some sort of weak willed nob aren't you? Best run along with ur government & bank buddies who are also ruining this once great country, do us all a favour & find a big rock to crawl under.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 3

9:07am Thu 10 Jul 14

good-gosh says...

Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who haven’t caused the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.
Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who haven’t caused the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved. good-gosh
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11:27am Thu 10 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Solent Soul wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
wknight wrote:
The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise?

The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either.

Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.
I can only assume that the other posters here, and those who voted your post down, are either too stupid to understand the economic facts that you present, or they are themselves parasites sucking at the taxpayer's teats.
Like this country is that much in debt that the government still managed to find the finances to bail out the banks, payed for by us because of their blunders; or lowering the top rate of tax for the rich to become even more wealthy & then they have the cheek to criticise the hard working people trying to stand up for what they pay for & were promised to support their families financial futures?? You are some sort of weak willed nob aren't you? Best run along with ur government & bank buddies who are also ruining this once great country, do us all a favour & find a big rock to crawl under..
banks had customers who leveraged themselves upto the eyeballs.... no customers = no banks..... customers and their stupid loans and mortgages were to blame.... and guess what ,,, a lot of them were public sector muppets buying things they could not afford.
[quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: The bottom line is the government pensions are UNAFFORDABLE, those of us in the private sector already have had salary based schemes removed and what's a pay rise? The government already puts in 14.1%, most employers put 6% if you are lucky. If you think you have a bad deal move into the private sector. Mine hasn't grown for years and I am in a well paid job but my pension will be a lot less than a teacher with no lump sum and no early retirement deals either. Wish them well, but if they win we all suffer, either taxes go up to pay for it or services are cut.[/p][/quote]I can only assume that the other posters here, and those who voted your post down, are either too stupid to understand the economic facts that you present, or they are themselves parasites sucking at the taxpayer's teats.[/p][/quote]Like this country is that much in debt that the government still managed to find the finances to bail out the banks, payed for by us because of their blunders; or lowering the top rate of tax for the rich to become even more wealthy & then they have the cheek to criticise the hard working people trying to stand up for what they pay for & were promised to support their families financial futures?? You are some sort of weak willed nob aren't you? Best run along with ur government & bank buddies who are also ruining this once great country, do us all a favour & find a big rock to crawl under..[/p][/quote]banks had customers who leveraged themselves upto the eyeballs.... no customers = no banks..... customers and their stupid loans and mortgages were to blame.... and guess what ,,, a lot of them were public sector muppets buying things they could not afford. steekeemcglue
  • Score: -1

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