Teachers and fire firefighters among workers staging strikes today across Hampshire and UK

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  • Strikes being held across UK
  • Scores of schools shut as teachers walk out
  • Local government grinds to a halt
  • Firefighters also staging protests

5:00pm

2:35pm

Tim Cutter, branch secretary for Hampshire UNISON

"We have two choices. We can accept that there is no alternative and put up with the cuts and pay freezes, or we can decide that there is an alternative and that is to fight back."

1:01pm

12:36pm

 

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12:34pm

Gail Cartmail is an Assistant General Secretary (AGS) at the trade union Unite and also a member of the TUC Executive Committee and General Council.

She said the sun is "shining on the righteous " and she laid into Tory opposition leader Royston Smith for his"crocodile tears" over the Labour group's cuts to services.

She said: "We know where the blame lies - it's in Westminister . They're punishing all the working class and poorer communities."

12:23pm

Protests continue in Southampton.

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12:14pm

12:11pm

The striking teachers have now marched to Civic Centre blowing whistles, waving placards and chanting slogans. One said 2,6,7,8 we won't work 'til 68.

Outside the civic centre are about 500 members of striking public sector unions.

11:59am

About 100 NUT Southampton members are gathering in Watts Park, picking up placards and banners and whistles as they prepare to join the main rally outside the civic centre.

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11:42am

NUT members are assembling in Watt Park ready to March to the Civic Centre for the main rally.

11:40am

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Protesters in Eastleigh

10:56am

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Daily Echo: Strikers on the picket line outside Southampton Civic Centre.

10:54am

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Inside the usually busy Marsh Lane depot in Lymington it is pretty quiet with vans and rubbish trucks parked up.

10:39am

10:31am

10:25am

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Just two strikers are picketing New Forest and District Council offices. The staff car park looked mostly full.

One of them, Peter Jamieson, a building surveyor, said: "Well, not everyone is in the union.

"I am here over pay. The current pay offer is less than inflation."

10:06am

10:05am

9:52am

Here is a list of all the schools across our patch which are affected today:

9:51am

Fire chiefs urged people to take extra care because of the walkout by members of the Fire Brigades Union in Wales and England between 10am and 7pm - the 15th round of industrial action in a long-running row over pensions and retirement age.

9:31am

The action has been hailed as the biggest strike over pay to hit the Government since it came to power in 2010.

Home helps, lollipop men and women, refuse collectors, librarians, dinner ladies, parks attendants, council road safety officers, caretakers and cleaners are among those striking alongside teachers, firefighters, civil servants and transport workers.

9:15am

Striking teachers will meet for a rally at 11.30am at Watts Park in Southampton before joining with public sector colleagues outside the Civic Centre. Pickets are also being staged outside council buildings across Hampshire.

9:09am

Key local government services will be disrupted members of some of the biggest unions including Unison, unite and the GMB refuse to work in protest at pay, conditions and ongoing cuts to budgets.

9:08am

Public sector employees in Hampshire are taking part in a joint day of action leading to an estimated one million workers walking out across the country.

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9:28am Thu 10 Jul 14

Brownrannjtaldina says...

Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.
Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it. Brownrannjtaldina
  • Score: -8

9:33am Thu 10 Jul 14

good-gosh says...

Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.
Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved. good-gosh
  • Score: -13

9:34am Thu 10 Jul 14

Zootopian says...

Brownrannjtaldina wrote:
Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.
You get a good salary and fantastic pension compared to some people.

Does that mean you should just let the government slash what you get?
[quote][p][bold]Brownrannjtaldina[/bold] wrote: Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.[/p][/quote]You get a good salary and fantastic pension compared to some people. Does that mean you should just let the government slash what you get? Zootopian
  • Score: 10

9:36am Thu 10 Jul 14

Zootopian says...

good-gosh wrote:
Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.
That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay?

It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.[/p][/quote]That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay? It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action. Zootopian
  • Score: 22

10:06am Thu 10 Jul 14

good-gosh says...

Zootopian wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.
That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay?

It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.
I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all.
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.[/p][/quote]That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay? It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.[/p][/quote]I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all. good-gosh
  • Score: -26

10:14am Thu 10 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

Brownrannjtaldina wrote:
Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.
Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..
[quote][p][bold]Brownrannjtaldina[/bold] wrote: Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.[/p][/quote]Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 18

10:28am Thu 10 Jul 14

Zootopian says...

good-gosh wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.
That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay?

It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.
I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all.
Resigning has no impact - the employer just simply replaces you. By striking en-masse, they have to take note of the concerns.

If you can manage without those who are n strike, then why all the complaints about the impact the strike is having? Why are all the parents complaining? Why are people worried about fire? Why are bins not being collected?
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.[/p][/quote]That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay? It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.[/p][/quote]I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all.[/p][/quote]Resigning has no impact - the employer just simply replaces you. By striking en-masse, they have to take note of the concerns. If you can manage without those who are n strike, then why all the complaints about the impact the strike is having? Why are all the parents complaining? Why are people worried about fire? Why are bins not being collected? Zootopian
  • Score: 13

10:29am Thu 10 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Solent Soul wrote:
Brownrannjtaldina wrote:
Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.
Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..
Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?
[quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brownrannjtaldina[/bold] wrote: Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.[/p][/quote]Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..[/p][/quote]Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary? 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: -8

10:52am Thu 10 Jul 14

Maine Lobster says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Solent Soul wrote:
Brownrannjtaldina wrote:
Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.
Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..
Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?
Probably not as they have principles and are probably too honest!
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brownrannjtaldina[/bold] wrote: Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.[/p][/quote]Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..[/p][/quote]Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?[/p][/quote]Probably not as they have principles and are probably too honest! Maine Lobster
  • Score: -6

10:59am Thu 10 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Solent Soul wrote:
Brownrannjtaldina wrote:
Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.
Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..
Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?
Probably not as they have principles and are probably too honest!
We who cannot lead will be led! Why this nation obsessed by what others earn?
Just knuckle down work hard and provide for your family? That's it, simple as that!
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brownrannjtaldina[/bold] wrote: Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.[/p][/quote]Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..[/p][/quote]Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?[/p][/quote]Probably not as they have principles and are probably too honest![/p][/quote]We who cannot lead will be led! Why this nation obsessed by what others earn? Just knuckle down work hard and provide for your family? That's it, simple as that! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 6

11:24am Thu 10 Jul 14

KSO16R says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Solent Soul wrote:
Brownrannjtaldina wrote:
Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.
Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..
Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?
Probably not as they have principles and are probably too honest!
Had to read that twice couldn't believe how read 'MP' and MD of large (payaslittletaxsquee
zeasmuchprofitasposs
iblefromthejob) company in the same sentence as the words 'honesty and principles.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brownrannjtaldina[/bold] wrote: Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.[/p][/quote]Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..[/p][/quote]Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?[/p][/quote]Probably not as they have principles and are probably too honest![/p][/quote]Had to read that twice couldn't believe how read 'MP' and MD of large (payaslittletaxsquee zeasmuchprofitasposs iblefromthejob) company in the same sentence as the words 'honesty and principles. KSO16R
  • Score: 2

11:24am Thu 10 Jul 14

KSO16R says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Solent Soul wrote:
Brownrannjtaldina wrote:
Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.
Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..
Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?
Probably not as they have principles and are probably too honest!
Had to read that twice couldn't believe how read 'MP' and MD of large (payaslittletaxsquee
zeasmuchprofitasposs
iblefromthejob) company in the same sentence as the words 'honesty and principles.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brownrannjtaldina[/bold] wrote: Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.[/p][/quote]Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..[/p][/quote]Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?[/p][/quote]Probably not as they have principles and are probably too honest![/p][/quote]Had to read that twice couldn't believe how read 'MP' and MD of large (payaslittletaxsquee zeasmuchprofitasposs iblefromthejob) company in the same sentence as the words 'honesty and principles. KSO16R
  • Score: 1

11:42am Thu 10 Jul 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising.

Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis.

BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money.

AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit.

How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain?

Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts?

Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector.

Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.
Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising. Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis. BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money. AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit. How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain? Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts? Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector. Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 8

11:55am Thu 10 Jul 14

noodlesnewman says...

good-gosh wrote:
Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.
I point the finger of blame at this government , austerity my a ss ! Two things to say on this , corrupt as hell brotherhood net works , and MACHIAVELIANISM, this is their tool of choice , divide and conquer and this nation is well and truly divided and conquered ,one common enemy lurking in the shadows here people ! stood in the back ground laughing at us and milking our energy , see the big picture and STAND UNITED untill we realise this things will just get worse , while we stand around debating petty things like this UN AGENDA 21 is being implemented !And over our heads there is a massive geo engineering experiment of which we are all a part , being sprayed like lab rats ! DOES NO ONE NOTICE WHAT THESE FLEETS OF JETS DO TO OUR SKY S ON A DAILY BASIS ! GEOENGINEERINGWATCH.
ORG !!!
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.[/p][/quote]I point the finger of blame at this government , austerity my a ss ! Two things to say on this , corrupt as hell brotherhood net works , and MACHIAVELIANISM, this is their tool of choice , divide and conquer and this nation is well and truly divided and conquered ,one common enemy lurking in the shadows here people ! stood in the back ground laughing at us and milking our energy , see the big picture and STAND UNITED untill we realise this things will just get worse , while we stand around debating petty things like this UN AGENDA 21 is being implemented !And over our heads there is a massive geo engineering experiment of which we are all a part , being sprayed like lab rats ! DOES NO ONE NOTICE WHAT THESE FLEETS OF JETS DO TO OUR SKY S ON A DAILY BASIS ! GEOENGINEERINGWATCH. ORG !!! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 1

12:06pm Thu 10 Jul 14

aldermoorboy says...

Are some teachers pension pots worth £1m and they strike?

The rest of us will work to 68 years of age to pay for them, is that correct?

Enjoy your strike, soon you will have 6 weeks holiday.

I don't think the public will think you are badly treated.
Are some teachers pension pots worth £1m and they strike? The rest of us will work to 68 years of age to pay for them, is that correct? Enjoy your strike, soon you will have 6 weeks holiday. I don't think the public will think you are badly treated. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -1

12:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Zootopian says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Are some teachers pension pots worth £1m and they strike?

The rest of us will work to 68 years of age to pay for them, is that correct?

Enjoy your strike, soon you will have 6 weeks holiday.

I don't think the public will think you are badly treated.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yes, the average secondary teacher has a pension fund of £1m.

Jesus wept.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Are some teachers pension pots worth £1m and they strike? The rest of us will work to 68 years of age to pay for them, is that correct? Enjoy your strike, soon you will have 6 weeks holiday. I don't think the public will think you are badly treated.[/p][/quote]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes, the average secondary teacher has a pension fund of £1m. Jesus wept. Zootopian
  • Score: 4

12:15pm Thu 10 Jul 14

noodlesnewman says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising.

Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis.

BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money.

AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit.

How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain?

Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts?

Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector.

Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.
And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising. Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis. BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money. AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit. How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain? Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts? Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector. Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.[/p][/quote]And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 1

12:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

love the uber-politcal endowed who posts on here.... the fact still remains that public sector workers are simply too thick to work out that the reason they are having pensions reduced and pay frozen is because THEY were part of the boom-and-bust years that led to Labour ruining this country. Credit cards need users , they do not use themselves.... debt was the reason it all went t1ts up and its not political its human , it was down to greed.
love the uber-politcal endowed who posts on here.... the fact still remains that public sector workers are simply too thick to work out that the reason they are having pensions reduced and pay frozen is because THEY were part of the boom-and-bust years that led to Labour ruining this country. Credit cards need users , they do not use themselves.... debt was the reason it all went t1ts up and its not political its human , it was down to greed. steekeemcglue
  • Score: -7

12:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

aldermoorboy says...

Zootopian, read my statement correctly. Exam failed, lets hope you don't teach.
Zootopian, read my statement correctly. Exam failed, lets hope you don't teach. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 1

12:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

SwedeSaint says...

I find it quite sad that people who are trying to protect working conditions and benefits are being lambasted by the very people they set out to serve.
Does anyone on here really think teachers teach for the love of money? Are Firemen only concerned for themselves?
The cynical amongst us could well believe that this modern-day division between the private sector and public sector workers has been strategically orchestrated by successive governments to ensure that there cannot be a mass uprising of the 'minions' that may disrupt the corporate goals of the 'Ruling elite'.
I find it quite sad that people who are trying to protect working conditions and benefits are being lambasted by the very people they set out to serve. Does anyone on here really think teachers teach for the love of money? Are Firemen only concerned for themselves? The cynical amongst us could well believe that this modern-day division between the private sector and public sector workers has been strategically orchestrated by successive governments to ensure that there cannot be a mass uprising of the 'minions' that may disrupt the corporate goals of the 'Ruling elite'. SwedeSaint
  • Score: 12

12:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

SwedeSaint wrote:
I find it quite sad that people who are trying to protect working conditions and benefits are being lambasted by the very people they set out to serve.
Does anyone on here really think teachers teach for the love of money? Are Firemen only concerned for themselves?
The cynical amongst us could well believe that this modern-day division between the private sector and public sector workers has been strategically orchestrated by successive governments to ensure that there cannot be a mass uprising of the 'minions' that may disrupt the corporate goals of the 'Ruling elite'.
actually I used to be a teacher... and I can say honestly that only about a third to it for the love of the profession.... a third do it for the money and are greedy backstabbers who will sh1t on any collegue to get up the ladder and a third teach because they are frankly useless and its all they could find. The reason our education system is in such a mess is that those thirds are not spread around evenly , some schools are excellent and other plagued by useless parasite teachers. Its interesting to see the schools closed mostly have mediocre or poor osteds but those fully open today mostly are good-excellant.... says it all really.
[quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: I find it quite sad that people who are trying to protect working conditions and benefits are being lambasted by the very people they set out to serve. Does anyone on here really think teachers teach for the love of money? Are Firemen only concerned for themselves? The cynical amongst us could well believe that this modern-day division between the private sector and public sector workers has been strategically orchestrated by successive governments to ensure that there cannot be a mass uprising of the 'minions' that may disrupt the corporate goals of the 'Ruling elite'.[/p][/quote]actually I used to be a teacher... and I can say honestly that only about a third to it for the love of the profession.... a third do it for the money and are greedy backstabbers who will sh1t on any collegue to get up the ladder and a third teach because they are frankly useless and its all they could find. The reason our education system is in such a mess is that those thirds are not spread around evenly , some schools are excellent and other plagued by useless parasite teachers. Its interesting to see the schools closed mostly have mediocre or poor osteds but those fully open today mostly are good-excellant.... says it all really. [ oh and fireman are mostly greedy,lazy bigots in my personal experience ] steekeemcglue
  • Score: -2

12:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

southy says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
love the uber-politcal endowed who posts on here.... the fact still remains that public sector workers are simply too thick to work out that the reason they are having pensions reduced and pay frozen is because THEY were part of the boom-and-bust years that led to Labour ruining this country. Credit cards need users , they do not use themselves.... debt was the reason it all went t1ts up and its not political its human , it was down to greed.
A debt that was ran up by Thatcher era, its a debt that will all ways go up and never down, you can only reduce the amount you go into debt which i will give Labour there due on this it was a lot less in 13 years of Labour control than it was in the 10 years of Thatcher Tory control, it even less than this Cameron tory control, and yes it is all down to greed, the greed of the rich and powerful.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: love the uber-politcal endowed who posts on here.... the fact still remains that public sector workers are simply too thick to work out that the reason they are having pensions reduced and pay frozen is because THEY were part of the boom-and-bust years that led to Labour ruining this country. Credit cards need users , they do not use themselves.... debt was the reason it all went t1ts up and its not political its human , it was down to greed.[/p][/quote]A debt that was ran up by Thatcher era, its a debt that will all ways go up and never down, you can only reduce the amount you go into debt which i will give Labour there due on this it was a lot less in 13 years of Labour control than it was in the 10 years of Thatcher Tory control, it even less than this Cameron tory control, and yes it is all down to greed, the greed of the rich and powerful. southy
  • Score: -1

12:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Solent Soul wrote:
Brownrannjtaldina wrote:
Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.
Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..
Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?
Maybe I am, but I really enjoy the career I'm in, I have opportunities to progress in this job to a level that would put me on the same pay scale as an MD but that wouldn't be the job I'm currently doing. This was not the main point of the topic though was it, it was about the elite in charge of the country financially penalising the worker's of this country because they won't target those at the top, i.e the bankers/tax avoiders who have made this unholy mess we are now living in..
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brownrannjtaldina[/bold] wrote: Teachers and firemen get a good salary and a fantastic pension. The Unions must take responsibility for the small wage increase they are being offered because the last Labour government, whom they bank rolled bankrupt this country! The strike is purely political, and based on greed. Many of us who work just as hard as teachers and firemen would love their pension and be prepared to work hard for it.[/p][/quote]Pay is a very personal thing. I'm sure somebody who works as a shop assistant would think my wage is really good, where as I would quite like a MD of a large companies salary & on it goes.. Everybody can have a pension, I started with a private one in my early working days & then transfered this into a works scheme, it would be nice to spend this money on other things but I know need to save for the future too. There's no excuse for not having a pension, however big or small; People shouldn't have a dig out of pure jealously at those who made a conscious decision to make financial securities for their families futures only to have the government come along & smash those pre agreed contracts (mine was signed 20yrs ago) on the pretence of austerity. This smarts even more when you consider this so called government in this time of so called austerity has recently found the money to accept a whopping 11% pay rise that will also make a massive difference to their solid gold pension pots.. Before you have a dig at the worker's of this country have a look at those running the show first, maybe you won't be so quick to preach that Condem drivel..[/p][/quote]Are you qualified or capable of being an MD of a big company or an MP on a fantastic salary?[/p][/quote]Maybe I am, but I really enjoy the career I'm in, I have opportunities to progress in this job to a level that would put me on the same pay scale as an MD but that wouldn't be the job I'm currently doing. This was not the main point of the topic though was it, it was about the elite in charge of the country financially penalising the worker's of this country because they won't target those at the top, i.e the bankers/tax avoiders who have made this unholy mess we are now living in.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

I am against strike action for the following reason.

The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre.

I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days.
I am against strike action for the following reason. The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre. I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days. IronLady2010
  • Score: -5

1:06pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
I find it quite sad that people who are trying to protect working conditions and benefits are being lambasted by the very people they set out to serve.
Does anyone on here really think teachers teach for the love of money? Are Firemen only concerned for themselves?
The cynical amongst us could well believe that this modern-day division between the private sector and public sector workers has been strategically orchestrated by successive governments to ensure that there cannot be a mass uprising of the 'minions' that may disrupt the corporate goals of the 'Ruling elite'.
actually I used to be a teacher... and I can say honestly that only about a third to it for the love of the profession.... a third do it for the money and are greedy backstabbers who will sh1t on any collegue to get up the ladder and a third teach because they are frankly useless and its all they could find. The reason our education system is in such a mess is that those thirds are not spread around evenly , some schools are excellent and other plagued by useless parasite teachers. Its interesting to see the schools closed mostly have mediocre or poor osteds but those fully open today mostly are good-excellant.... says it all really.
Oh dear, I'm sure as a teacher you had unwittingly entered a career that had exceeded your intellectual capabilities, at least you identified this & left the job open to somebody who would have the right skill set for the job.. As for the verbal assault on our nation's fire-fighters, well I'm not sure you're fan base will be too large, enjoy ur Jeremy Carl catch up, make sure you don't overload you're electrical sockets as you may require the services of those greedy bigots you were talking about..
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: I find it quite sad that people who are trying to protect working conditions and benefits are being lambasted by the very people they set out to serve. Does anyone on here really think teachers teach for the love of money? Are Firemen only concerned for themselves? The cynical amongst us could well believe that this modern-day division between the private sector and public sector workers has been strategically orchestrated by successive governments to ensure that there cannot be a mass uprising of the 'minions' that may disrupt the corporate goals of the 'Ruling elite'.[/p][/quote]actually I used to be a teacher... and I can say honestly that only about a third to it for the love of the profession.... a third do it for the money and are greedy backstabbers who will sh1t on any collegue to get up the ladder and a third teach because they are frankly useless and its all they could find. The reason our education system is in such a mess is that those thirds are not spread around evenly , some schools are excellent and other plagued by useless parasite teachers. Its interesting to see the schools closed mostly have mediocre or poor osteds but those fully open today mostly are good-excellant.... says it all really. [ oh and fireman are mostly greedy,lazy bigots in my personal experience ][/p][/quote]Oh dear, I'm sure as a teacher you had unwittingly entered a career that had exceeded your intellectual capabilities, at least you identified this & left the job open to somebody who would have the right skill set for the job.. As for the verbal assault on our nation's fire-fighters, well I'm not sure you're fan base will be too large, enjoy ur Jeremy Carl catch up, make sure you don't overload you're electrical sockets as you may require the services of those greedy bigots you were talking about.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 4

1:12pm Thu 10 Jul 14

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
I am against strike action for the following reason.

The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre.

I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days.
When people go on strike then there is some thing wrong as striking is the last choice to be taking, but it being only a 1 day national strike it will not achive very much, what is needed is a an all out General Strike to get things change for the better, but thats not going to happen while the rich and powerful have the TUC board in there pockets.

Did you listen to Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude on the news at 7am, he was spinning pure false propaganda, he telling the nation that most have turned up for work and not going on strike, those that start early in the morning like the bin men did turn up at work and then went on strike, but for most at 7am would still be traviling for work or still at home getting ready for work, how would he know that most will be working when they have not even turned up at that time of the morning and again it be a case of turning up at work then going on strike.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I am against strike action for the following reason. The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre. I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days.[/p][/quote]When people go on strike then there is some thing wrong as striking is the last choice to be taking, but it being only a 1 day national strike it will not achive very much, what is needed is a an all out General Strike to get things change for the better, but thats not going to happen while the rich and powerful have the TUC board in there pockets. Did you listen to Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude on the news at 7am, he was spinning pure false propaganda, he telling the nation that most have turned up for work and not going on strike, those that start early in the morning like the bin men did turn up at work and then went on strike, but for most at 7am would still be traviling for work or still at home getting ready for work, how would he know that most will be working when they have not even turned up at that time of the morning and again it be a case of turning up at work then going on strike. southy
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I am against strike action for the following reason.

The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre.

I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days.
When people go on strike then there is some thing wrong as striking is the last choice to be taking, but it being only a 1 day national strike it will not achive very much, what is needed is a an all out General Strike to get things change for the better, but thats not going to happen while the rich and powerful have the TUC board in there pockets.

Did you listen to Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude on the news at 7am, he was spinning pure false propaganda, he telling the nation that most have turned up for work and not going on strike, those that start early in the morning like the bin men did turn up at work and then went on strike, but for most at 7am would still be traviling for work or still at home getting ready for work, how would he know that most will be working when they have not even turned up at that time of the morning and again it be a case of turning up at work then going on strike.
So if the strike isn't going to achieve anything, why strike?

I'm sure you'd love an all out General strike, but again that would just bring the country to it's knees and have a further impact on the Economy.

One thing I do agree on is that more of the cuts need to come from within Parliament and the house of Lords etc. I get bored of reading what they get up to with their expense claims.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I am against strike action for the following reason. The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre. I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days.[/p][/quote]When people go on strike then there is some thing wrong as striking is the last choice to be taking, but it being only a 1 day national strike it will not achive very much, what is needed is a an all out General Strike to get things change for the better, but thats not going to happen while the rich and powerful have the TUC board in there pockets. Did you listen to Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude on the news at 7am, he was spinning pure false propaganda, he telling the nation that most have turned up for work and not going on strike, those that start early in the morning like the bin men did turn up at work and then went on strike, but for most at 7am would still be traviling for work or still at home getting ready for work, how would he know that most will be working when they have not even turned up at that time of the morning and again it be a case of turning up at work then going on strike.[/p][/quote]So if the strike isn't going to achieve anything, why strike? I'm sure you'd love an all out General strike, but again that would just bring the country to it's knees and have a further impact on the Economy. One thing I do agree on is that more of the cuts need to come from within Parliament and the house of Lords etc. I get bored of reading what they get up to with their expense claims. IronLady2010
  • Score: -2

1:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

noodlesnewman wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising.

Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis.

BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money.

AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit.

How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain?

Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts?

Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector.

Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.
And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !
The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core.
[quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising. Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis. BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money. AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit. How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain? Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts? Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector. Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.[/p][/quote]And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE ![/p][/quote]The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

sjgray67 says...

I'm amazed at some of the statements made here.
Civil servants have been asked to contribute more to their pensions and why not?
I'm ex services 12 years, served my country, injured, pittance of a pension £340 a month, have to work to make ends meet, 2% pay rise in 10 years, salary £17500, have to pay £345 every 3 years to keep my job due to SIA licences, no pension provided, plenty ex service men and women in the same boat as me!
And some of you are moaning, sickens me.
I'm amazed at some of the statements made here. Civil servants have been asked to contribute more to their pensions and why not? I'm ex services 12 years, served my country, injured, pittance of a pension £340 a month, have to work to make ends meet, 2% pay rise in 10 years, salary £17500, have to pay £345 every 3 years to keep my job due to SIA licences, no pension provided, plenty ex service men and women in the same boat as me! And some of you are moaning, sickens me. sjgray67
  • Score: 6

1:34pm Thu 10 Jul 14

noodlesnewman says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
love the uber-politcal endowed who posts on here.... the fact still remains that public sector workers are simply too thick to work out that the reason they are having pensions reduced and pay frozen is because THEY were part of the boom-and-bust years that led to Labour ruining this country. Credit cards need users , they do not use themselves.... debt was the reason it all went t1ts up and its not political its human , it was down to greed.
Foolish , cant you see the so called political parties ukip excluded are just puppets for the ROTHCHILDS , and their elite technocrats ! PERIOD ! puppets hand picked and quite often blood related to these elites george osborne for one is a rothchild ancestor , there are many many more to , our polital system is sewn up by these posh public schoolboys belonging to their covert brotherhood net works who s tenticles envelope the planet and strangle it with their MACHIAVELIAN tacticts ! President kennedy spoke out about this society so did the only british prime minister to get assassinated , lady diana also spoke out about these people very very dark people with a very dark agenda laid out for us unless we all wake the hell up to whats really going on ! sorry for the rant but i cant stand bully s and these people are worse than bullys ! they have nt aquired the name , the brotherhood of death cult for no reason !
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: love the uber-politcal endowed who posts on here.... the fact still remains that public sector workers are simply too thick to work out that the reason they are having pensions reduced and pay frozen is because THEY were part of the boom-and-bust years that led to Labour ruining this country. Credit cards need users , they do not use themselves.... debt was the reason it all went t1ts up and its not political its human , it was down to greed.[/p][/quote]Foolish , cant you see the so called political parties ukip excluded are just puppets for the ROTHCHILDS , and their elite technocrats ! PERIOD ! puppets hand picked and quite often blood related to these elites george osborne for one is a rothchild ancestor , there are many many more to , our polital system is sewn up by these posh public schoolboys belonging to their covert brotherhood net works who s tenticles envelope the planet and strangle it with their MACHIAVELIAN tacticts ! President kennedy spoke out about this society so did the only british prime minister to get assassinated , lady diana also spoke out about these people very very dark people with a very dark agenda laid out for us unless we all wake the hell up to whats really going on ! sorry for the rant but i cant stand bully s and these people are worse than bullys ! they have nt aquired the name , the brotherhood of death cult for no reason ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: -1

1:39pm Thu 10 Jul 14

noodlesnewman says...

SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising.

Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis.

BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money.

AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit.

How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain?

Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts?

Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector.

Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.
And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !
The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core.
spot on sir !
[quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising. Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis. BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money. AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit. How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain? Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts? Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector. Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.[/p][/quote]And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE ![/p][/quote]The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core.[/p][/quote]spot on sir ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 1

1:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

What angers me is that MPs will see their salaries rise by 11% by May 2015

That''s one hell of a lot of money! Just think of the extra services we could provide with that money alone!
What angers me is that MPs will see their salaries rise by 11% by May 2015 That''s one hell of a lot of money! Just think of the extra services we could provide with that money alone! IronLady2010
  • Score: 5

1:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

at_123 says...

good-gosh wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.
That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay?

It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.
I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all.
So you'd be happy to empty your own bins every week? run your local library? provide medical care for your sick family? put out a fire that broke out in your house? try and catch a burglar that breaks into your house? teach your own kids? help infants cross the road on the way to school and then serve them dinner? help the unemployed find jobs? investigate tax and benefit cheats? and so on and so on - to say we can do without public services is absolute non-sense
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.[/p][/quote]That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay? It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.[/p][/quote]I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all.[/p][/quote]So you'd be happy to empty your own bins every week? run your local library? provide medical care for your sick family? put out a fire that broke out in your house? try and catch a burglar that breaks into your house? teach your own kids? help infants cross the road on the way to school and then serve them dinner? help the unemployed find jobs? investigate tax and benefit cheats? and so on and so on - to say we can do without public services is absolute non-sense at_123
  • Score: -2

2:23pm Thu 10 Jul 14

good-gosh says...

at_123 wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.
That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay?

It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.
I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all.
So you'd be happy to empty your own bins every week? run your local library? provide medical care for your sick family? put out a fire that broke out in your house? try and catch a burglar that breaks into your house? teach your own kids? help infants cross the road on the way to school and then serve them dinner? help the unemployed find jobs? investigate tax and benefit cheats? and so on and so on - to say we can do without public services is absolute non-sense
Wow – all those things – there all easy-peasy - we have to most of those things for ourselves anyway now and then - particularly when those we pay to do it decide not to.
[quote][p][bold]at_123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.[/p][/quote]That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay? It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.[/p][/quote]I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all.[/p][/quote]So you'd be happy to empty your own bins every week? run your local library? provide medical care for your sick family? put out a fire that broke out in your house? try and catch a burglar that breaks into your house? teach your own kids? help infants cross the road on the way to school and then serve them dinner? help the unemployed find jobs? investigate tax and benefit cheats? and so on and so on - to say we can do without public services is absolute non-sense[/p][/quote]Wow – all those things – there all easy-peasy - we have to most of those things for ourselves anyway now and then - particularly when those we pay to do it decide not to. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

2:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

haycha says...

we have been offered 1% as a pay rise. As a local authority worker I am more than happy to accept this as the council have no more money to pay anymore due to the government slashing grants etc. I f the people who have gone on strike think they are achieving anything the people like dave prentice is leading them up the garden path as they did with the last strike. I for one have not been striking today!! at least a payrise is better than nothing!!
we have been offered 1% as a pay rise. As a local authority worker I am more than happy to accept this as the council have no more money to pay anymore due to the government slashing grants etc. I f the people who have gone on strike think they are achieving anything the people like dave prentice is leading them up the garden path as they did with the last strike. I for one have not been striking today!! at least a payrise is better than nothing!! haycha
  • Score: 2

3:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

independence says...

I have nothing against them striking my only comment is they can strike and its ok for our children to have the day off but take them on holiday because u can afford it during holidays and we get a fine surely this is unfair
I have nothing against them striking my only comment is they can strike and its ok for our children to have the day off but take them on holiday because u can afford it during holidays and we get a fine surely this is unfair independence
  • Score: 3

3:20pm Thu 10 Jul 14

haycha says...

southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote: I am against strike action for the following reason. The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre. I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days.
When people go on strike then there is some thing wrong as striking is the last choice to be taking, but it being only a 1 day national strike it will not achive very much, what is needed is a an all out General Strike to get things change for the better, but thats not going to happen while the rich and powerful have the TUC board in there pockets. Did you listen to Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude on the news at 7am, he was spinning pure false propaganda, he telling the nation that most have turned up for work and not going on strike, those that start early in the morning like the bin men did turn up at work and then went on strike, but for most at 7am would still be traviling for work or still at home getting ready for work, how would he know that most will be working when they have not even turned up at that time of the morning and again it be a case of turning up at work then going on strike.
there are more people in our office than normal!!!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I am against strike action for the following reason. The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre. I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days.[/p][/quote]When people go on strike then there is some thing wrong as striking is the last choice to be taking, but it being only a 1 day national strike it will not achive very much, what is needed is a an all out General Strike to get things change for the better, but thats not going to happen while the rich and powerful have the TUC board in there pockets. Did you listen to Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude on the news at 7am, he was spinning pure false propaganda, he telling the nation that most have turned up for work and not going on strike, those that start early in the morning like the bin men did turn up at work and then went on strike, but for most at 7am would still be traviling for work or still at home getting ready for work, how would he know that most will be working when they have not even turned up at that time of the morning and again it be a case of turning up at work then going on strike.[/p][/quote]there are more people in our office than normal!!!! haycha
  • Score: 0

3:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising.

Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis.

BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money.

AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit.

How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain?

Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts?

Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector.

Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.
And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !
The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core.
Banning the scum bags is too liberal approach.

Those who sexually abused children along with their colleagues, friends or protectors in positions of power, who also helped their supper greedy buddies in destroying the economy should be locked up behind bars and keys thrown away for good.

Otherwise these evil people, mostly members of various closed / secret bodies will keep on doing to ordinary decent folks what they are with plenty of good reasons alleged to have done to poor kids.
[quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising. Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis. BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money. AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit. How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain? Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts? Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector. Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.[/p][/quote]And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE ![/p][/quote]The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core.[/p][/quote]Banning the scum bags is too liberal approach. Those who sexually abused children along with their colleagues, friends or protectors in positions of power, who also helped their supper greedy buddies in destroying the economy should be locked up behind bars and keys thrown away for good. Otherwise these evil people, mostly members of various closed / secret bodies will keep on doing to ordinary decent folks what they are with plenty of good reasons alleged to have done to poor kids. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 1

3:33pm Thu 10 Jul 14

aldermoorboy says...

Well done to all those decent people who did not strike, salt of the earth.
Well done to all those decent people who did not strike, salt of the earth. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -1

3:38pm Thu 10 Jul 14

haycha says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising. Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis. BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money. AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit. How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain? Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts? Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector. Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.
And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !
The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core.
Banning the scum bags is too liberal approach. Those who sexually abused children along with their colleagues, friends or protectors in positions of power, who also helped their supper greedy buddies in destroying the economy should be locked up behind bars and keys thrown away for good. Otherwise these evil people, mostly members of various closed / secret bodies will keep on doing to ordinary decent folks what they are with plenty of good reasons alleged to have done to poor kids.
what on earth has this got to do with striking for goodness sake!!!
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising. Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis. BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money. AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit. How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain? Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts? Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector. Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.[/p][/quote]And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE ![/p][/quote]The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core.[/p][/quote]Banning the scum bags is too liberal approach. Those who sexually abused children along with their colleagues, friends or protectors in positions of power, who also helped their supper greedy buddies in destroying the economy should be locked up behind bars and keys thrown away for good. Otherwise these evil people, mostly members of various closed / secret bodies will keep on doing to ordinary decent folks what they are with plenty of good reasons alleged to have done to poor kids.[/p][/quote]what on earth has this got to do with striking for goodness sake!!! haycha
  • Score: 0

3:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I am against strike action for the following reason.

The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre.

I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days.
When people go on strike then there is some thing wrong as striking is the last choice to be taking, but it being only a 1 day national strike it will not achive very much, what is needed is a an all out General Strike to get things change for the better, but thats not going to happen while the rich and powerful have the TUC board in there pockets.

Did you listen to Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude on the news at 7am, he was spinning pure false propaganda, he telling the nation that most have turned up for work and not going on strike, those that start early in the morning like the bin men did turn up at work and then went on strike, but for most at 7am would still be traviling for work or still at home getting ready for work, how would he know that most will be working when they have not even turned up at that time of the morning and again it be a case of turning up at work then going on strike.
So if the strike isn't going to achieve anything, why strike?

I'm sure you'd love an all out General strike, but again that would just bring the country to it's knees and have a further impact on the Economy.

One thing I do agree on is that more of the cuts need to come from within Parliament and the house of Lords etc. I get bored of reading what they get up to with their expense claims.
One day strikes serves as a warning thats all, its telling those in power to come to the table and talk and not keep avoiding any form of talks, the government is not talking and just like Smithy and the bin men, its dictating not talking to work toward any thing, problem with 1 day strikes is that they will carry the dispute on for a very long time, the only way to get things sorted and done very quickly is an all out strike and stay out till proper talks have started.

If thats how you feel about house of commons and house of lords then you need the TUSC in government power, as they will be the only ones that will cut wages and stop the expensiture sheet.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I am against strike action for the following reason. The teachers, Fireman etc are only hurting those who they are supposed to be helping. Do they really think any Government of any colour care whilst they are sitting on their backsides creaming expenses left right and centre. I have some sympathy for teachers as they play a key role in how the future generation grow up and I for one, most certainly wouldn't want to put up the abuse of some kids these days.[/p][/quote]When people go on strike then there is some thing wrong as striking is the last choice to be taking, but it being only a 1 day national strike it will not achive very much, what is needed is a an all out General Strike to get things change for the better, but thats not going to happen while the rich and powerful have the TUC board in there pockets. Did you listen to Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude on the news at 7am, he was spinning pure false propaganda, he telling the nation that most have turned up for work and not going on strike, those that start early in the morning like the bin men did turn up at work and then went on strike, but for most at 7am would still be traviling for work or still at home getting ready for work, how would he know that most will be working when they have not even turned up at that time of the morning and again it be a case of turning up at work then going on strike.[/p][/quote]So if the strike isn't going to achieve anything, why strike? I'm sure you'd love an all out General strike, but again that would just bring the country to it's knees and have a further impact on the Economy. One thing I do agree on is that more of the cuts need to come from within Parliament and the house of Lords etc. I get bored of reading what they get up to with their expense claims.[/p][/quote]One day strikes serves as a warning thats all, its telling those in power to come to the table and talk and not keep avoiding any form of talks, the government is not talking and just like Smithy and the bin men, its dictating not talking to work toward any thing, problem with 1 day strikes is that they will carry the dispute on for a very long time, the only way to get things sorted and done very quickly is an all out strike and stay out till proper talks have started. If thats how you feel about house of commons and house of lords then you need the TUSC in government power, as they will be the only ones that will cut wages and stop the expensiture sheet. southy
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

at_123 wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.
That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay?

It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.
I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all.
So you'd be happy to empty your own bins every week? run your local library? provide medical care for your sick family? put out a fire that broke out in your house? try and catch a burglar that breaks into your house? teach your own kids? help infants cross the road on the way to school and then serve them dinner? help the unemployed find jobs? investigate tax and benefit cheats? and so on and so on - to say we can do without public services is absolute non-sense
No we can't do without them, but we could privatise them!
[quote][p][bold]at_123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Teacher strikes are wrong. They target millions of innocent families who have done nothing to cause the dispute, while having no impact on the handful of bosses involved.[/p][/quote]That's why strike action is a last resort - do you think these people want to forego a a day of pay? It's only when you miss something you see its worth - hence the point of strike action.[/p][/quote]I think they are happy to loose pay for the fun of causing massive public mischief. And … a strike is not the last resort – the last resort is to reign. And … having a service withdrawn does not show its worth, it only shows we should never depend on public services and we can manage without after all.[/p][/quote]So you'd be happy to empty your own bins every week? run your local library? provide medical care for your sick family? put out a fire that broke out in your house? try and catch a burglar that breaks into your house? teach your own kids? help infants cross the road on the way to school and then serve them dinner? help the unemployed find jobs? investigate tax and benefit cheats? and so on and so on - to say we can do without public services is absolute non-sense[/p][/quote]No we can't do without them, but we could privatise them! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 0

3:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Parrotgone says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
What angers me is that MPs will see their salaries rise by 11% by May 2015

That''s one hell of a lot of money! Just think of the extra services we could provide with that money alone!
The answer - probably not a lot - 11% pay rise for 600 people on £60,000 a year doesn't, in the great scheme of things (public services, which are very much the great scheme of things) doesn't add up to a whole lot.
However, you're entirely right about it as a signifier - that mps urging pay restraint and austerity for others are still busily making their own lives very comfortable - pay, pensions, expenses, subsided bars and restaurants etc.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: What angers me is that MPs will see their salaries rise by 11% by May 2015 That''s one hell of a lot of money! Just think of the extra services we could provide with that money alone![/p][/quote]The answer - probably not a lot - 11% pay rise for 600 people on £60,000 a year doesn't, in the great scheme of things (public services, which are very much the great scheme of things) doesn't add up to a whole lot. However, you're entirely right about it as a signifier - that mps urging pay restraint and austerity for others are still busily making their own lives very comfortable - pay, pensions, expenses, subsided bars and restaurants etc. Parrotgone
  • Score: 0

3:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

noodlesnewman says...

haycha wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising. Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis. BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money. AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit. How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain? Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts? Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector. Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.
And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !
The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core.
Banning the scum bags is too liberal approach. Those who sexually abused children along with their colleagues, friends or protectors in positions of power, who also helped their supper greedy buddies in destroying the economy should be locked up behind bars and keys thrown away for good. Otherwise these evil people, mostly members of various closed / secret bodies will keep on doing to ordinary decent folks what they are with plenty of good reasons alleged to have done to poor kids.
what on earth has this got to do with striking for goodness sake!!!
whats it got to do with striking ? my word i m speechless you give people a clue and they still dont cotton on , high level s of corruption at the highest levels of the uk corporation ! thats what we ve had enough they are not fit to rule us !
[quote][p][bold]haycha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising those with the mindset of upper classes of Dickensian era are trying to bash public sector workers and sadly are supported by few private sector employees whose thinking is controlled by anti unions political parties propaganda financed by the super rich and supported by the unprincipled hacks of media, which is dependent upon profits from advertising. Yes our economy was put into mess under the last Thatcherised government of Blair and Brown who were buddies of bankers and big business and the super rich, whose unlimited greed created economic crisis. BUT with full backing of Tories and Lib-Dem the NuLabourites rather than making them pay for their ruthless and irresponsible decisions or for their moral crimes bailed them out with many billions of public money. AND us the ordinary people including public sector workers were made to pay for moral crimes we did not commit. How can that be fair? Why the anti unions brigade now shouting from roof tops could not do the same when moral criminals were rewarded for virtually bankrupting Britain? Now although arrogant out of touch posh boys Cameron and Osborn plus political prostitutes Lib-Dems are bragging that our economy has recovered and is amongst the healthiest in the world, they still keep on demanding that workers, who have already suffered because of the greed of others, keep on paying the price by accepting well below inflation pay rise, which in reality amounts to pay cuts? Yes private sector workers are also suffering at the hands of most if not all employers, same way those employed in public sector. Logical thing for them do should be to stand in solidarity with each other rather than being divided on the basis of us vs them, which only suits the self serving people like Cameron Clegg and even Milliband from political class and economically hurts all the ordinary people and whole of the working class.[/p][/quote]And why was an international paedo ring in the heart of the milk snatchers government allowed to run and be covered for , disgusting and almost unbelievable , read scallywag magazine article on this , shocking doesnt come any where near summing this up ! and we allow these people to rule us ,and we just keep a stiff upper lip and crack on , enough s enough people do your research properly on our illustrious leaders ! crooks that have been installed by bigger crooks to run a crooked country taking advantage of naive people . bl oody dodgy hand shakes ,twisted old men wanting to belong to these dark age old secret societies practising the dark arts / which craft which involves abusing children ! NO MORE WHITE WASHES YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE ![/p][/quote]The lodge of bodge and all its helpers should be banned from all tax funded positions before standing trial,rotten to the core.[/p][/quote]Banning the scum bags is too liberal approach. Those who sexually abused children along with their colleagues, friends or protectors in positions of power, who also helped their supper greedy buddies in destroying the economy should be locked up behind bars and keys thrown away for good. Otherwise these evil people, mostly members of various closed / secret bodies will keep on doing to ordinary decent folks what they are with plenty of good reasons alleged to have done to poor kids.[/p][/quote]what on earth has this got to do with striking for goodness sake!!![/p][/quote]whats it got to do with striking ? my word i m speechless you give people a clue and they still dont cotton on , high level s of corruption at the highest levels of the uk corporation ! thats what we ve had enough they are not fit to rule us ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 1

3:56pm Thu 10 Jul 14

190385saints says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done to all those decent people who did not strike, salt of the earth.
Lol your comment is like rabid saliva.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Well done to all those decent people who did not strike, salt of the earth.[/p][/quote]Lol your comment is like rabid saliva. 190385saints
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done to all those decent people who did not strike, salt of the earth.
For Tories and their other Thatcherised mates they may be "salt of the earth".

BUT the traitors who cross trade union picket lines are also called Scabs.

These selfis unprincipled and opportunist people will gladly accept every benefit gained through the efforts and sacrifices of trade union members involved in industrial actions, if they were really 'the salt of the earth fair minded honest people of principles then they should also refuse to cash on the sacrifices of others, otherwise accept that they are parasites.

As Nottinghamshire miners who back stabbed the NUM during the miners strike while suffering from pregnancies of foolishness that by kissing the backside of Thatcher regime they will get into the good books of the Tories, found out later that after the strike the nasty party did not spare them either.

Those who ate breaking this strike, if it fails, are likely to taste similar treatment from bosses as scabs of Nottinghamshire, who with the blessing of Tories had even formed their own union.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Well done to all those decent people who did not strike, salt of the earth.[/p][/quote]For Tories and their other Thatcherised mates they may be "salt of the earth". BUT the traitors who cross trade union picket lines are also called Scabs. These selfis unprincipled and opportunist people will gladly accept every benefit gained through the efforts and sacrifices of trade union members involved in industrial actions, if they were really 'the salt of the earth fair minded honest people of principles then they should also refuse to cash on the sacrifices of others, otherwise accept that they are parasites. As Nottinghamshire miners who back stabbed the NUM during the miners strike while suffering from pregnancies of foolishness that by kissing the backside of Thatcher regime they will get into the good books of the Tories, found out later that after the strike the nasty party did not spare them either. Those who ate breaking this strike, if it fails, are likely to taste similar treatment from bosses as scabs of Nottinghamshire, who with the blessing of Tories had even formed their own union. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -1

4:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done to all those decent people who did not strike, salt of the earth.
For Tories and their other Thatcherised mates they may be "salt of the earth".

BUT the traitors who cross trade union picket lines are also called Scabs.

These selfis unprincipled and opportunist people will gladly accept every benefit gained through the efforts and sacrifices of trade union members involved in industrial actions, if they were really 'the salt of the earth fair minded honest people of principles then they should also refuse to cash on the sacrifices of others, otherwise accept that they are parasites.

As Nottinghamshire miners who back stabbed the NUM during the miners strike while suffering from pregnancies of foolishness that by kissing the backside of Thatcher regime they will get into the good books of the Tories, found out later that after the strike the nasty party did not spare them either.

Those who ate breaking this strike, if it fails, are likely to taste similar treatment from bosses as scabs of Nottinghamshire, who with the blessing of Tories had even formed their own union.
Sorry for any typing errors, wrote without glasses
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Well done to all those decent people who did not strike, salt of the earth.[/p][/quote]For Tories and their other Thatcherised mates they may be "salt of the earth". BUT the traitors who cross trade union picket lines are also called Scabs. These selfis unprincipled and opportunist people will gladly accept every benefit gained through the efforts and sacrifices of trade union members involved in industrial actions, if they were really 'the salt of the earth fair minded honest people of principles then they should also refuse to cash on the sacrifices of others, otherwise accept that they are parasites. As Nottinghamshire miners who back stabbed the NUM during the miners strike while suffering from pregnancies of foolishness that by kissing the backside of Thatcher regime they will get into the good books of the Tories, found out later that after the strike the nasty party did not spare them either. Those who ate breaking this strike, if it fails, are likely to taste similar treatment from bosses as scabs of Nottinghamshire, who with the blessing of Tories had even formed their own union.[/p][/quote]Sorry for any typing errors, wrote without glasses Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 0

5:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

orderoutofchaos says...

haycha wrote:
we have been offered 1% as a pay rise. As a local authority worker I am more than happy to accept this as the council have no more money to pay anymore due to the government slashing grants etc. I f the people who have gone on strike think they are achieving anything the people like dave prentice is leading them up the garden path as they did with the last strike. I for one have not been striking today!! at least a payrise is better than nothing!!
Interesting when you posted this.. Isn't that when you should be doing your local government work rather than posting on here? You think 1% is a good offer? probably because that's all YOU are worth..
[quote][p][bold]haycha[/bold] wrote: we have been offered 1% as a pay rise. As a local authority worker I am more than happy to accept this as the council have no more money to pay anymore due to the government slashing grants etc. I f the people who have gone on strike think they are achieving anything the people like dave prentice is leading them up the garden path as they did with the last strike. I for one have not been striking today!! at least a payrise is better than nothing!![/p][/quote]Interesting when you posted this.. Isn't that when you should be doing your local government work rather than posting on here? You think 1% is a good offer? probably because that's all YOU are worth.. orderoutofchaos
  • Score: -1

3:41am Fri 11 Jul 14

huckit P says...

For all the bluster and bravado shown by both sides of the argument I would suggest that people look to history and see what the car workers, dockers and miners unions did for them. Where are they now and what was the result? Enjoy your jobs now and certainly get paid what you are worth, but that shouldn't include being paid to sleep, neither should it mean being paid for poor performance. Maybe those carrying banners rejecting performance-based salaries are afraid of being found out.
The country should not support poor performance, neither should it support wage rises and pension pots that cannot be afforded. If you want more pension then you must be expected to pay for it. If you want to retire before anoyone else then expect to have a reduced pension pot.
But be very wary of expanding your strike action. The majority of the US has what thy call volunteer fire departments - run by the community. If you force the country to do without your services the country will find an alrernative solution. your jobs will start disappearing and then you will certainly have something to complain about, but no leverage to find the solution.
For all the bluster and bravado shown by both sides of the argument I would suggest that people look to history and see what the car workers, dockers and miners unions did for them. Where are they now and what was the result? Enjoy your jobs now and certainly get paid what you are worth, but that shouldn't include being paid to sleep, neither should it mean being paid for poor performance. Maybe those carrying banners rejecting performance-based salaries are afraid of being found out. The country should not support poor performance, neither should it support wage rises and pension pots that cannot be afforded. If you want more pension then you must be expected to pay for it. If you want to retire before anoyone else then expect to have a reduced pension pot. But be very wary of expanding your strike action. The majority of the US has what thy call volunteer fire departments - run by the community. If you force the country to do without your services the country will find an alrernative solution. your jobs will start disappearing and then you will certainly have something to complain about, but no leverage to find the solution. huckit P
  • Score: 0
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