Local government workers from across Hampshire join rallys to protest over pensions and pay

Daily Echo: Hundreds take to streets in public sector strike Hundreds take to streets in public sector strike

HUNDREDS of local government workers across Hampshire have today gone on the march in a defiant message to the government over pensions and pay.

Waving placards and chanting anti-government slogans, striking public sector workers have been rallying this afternoon in Southampton under the cry of "enough is enough".

Hundreds of public sector workers from a host of trade unions converged on the entrance of the city's Civic Centre, blowing whistles and sounding horns to make themselves heard as they take part in the biggest collective strike in decades.

They are protesting at cuts to pensions, pay and public services.

Among those walking out today under a blazing sun are teachers, firefighters, librarians and council staff, with demos and pickets taking place across Hampshire and the UK.

Addressing the gathering rally in Southampton this afternoon was Gail Cartmail, assistant general secretary of Unite the union.

She said:"The sun shines on the righteous.

"From where I am standing you are looking fantastic.

"So who's on strike ? Who are these militants? They are admin workers, care workers, refuge workers.

"It's the people you rely on - classroom assistants, the teachers, the people who live next door.

"It's our people, our community standing up for a fair deal."

Meanwhile thousands of Hampshire school children are missing lessons.

But striking teachers the Daily Echo spoke to defended the walkout, which is protesting against changes to teaching, work load and pay as well as to pensions which could see teachers working up to 68.

One of them, Liz Tiler, head teacher at Valentines Primary in Sholing, Southampton, said: "I think it's regrettable. I am a mum myself, so my daughter is not at school today.

"However sometimes you have to take short term action in order to prevent long term damage to our education system.

"I am here today to stand up for the state education system. I am very concerned about the changes Michael Gove is determined to implement.

"My parents in my school don't want teachers still teaching at 68, when they're tired and do not have the energy. They want their children to have a decent education because that's what's going to change their lives in the future."

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2:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather!
Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather! IronLady2010
  • Score: 7

2:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

this one here says...

There where big groups of them sat outside the soul cellar when I passed at lunch, busy day protesting I see!
There where big groups of them sat outside the soul cellar when I passed at lunch, busy day protesting I see! this one here
  • Score: 8

2:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cyber__Fug says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather!
I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather![/p][/quote]I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ? Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 2

2:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Tallship says...

This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work. Tallship
  • Score: -1

3:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

ToastyTea says...

oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us) ToastyTea
  • Score: 11

3:09pm Thu 10 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

this one here wrote:
There where big groups of them sat outside the soul cellar when I passed at lunch, busy day protesting I see!
Don't say that, half we be off sick tomorrow with a hang over.
[quote][p][bold]this one here[/bold] wrote: There where big groups of them sat outside the soul cellar when I passed at lunch, busy day protesting I see![/p][/quote]Don't say that, half we be off sick tomorrow with a hang over. IronLady2010
  • Score: -4

3:15pm Thu 10 Jul 14

shirlski says...

I passed them as well this lunchtime around the Civic Centre, all a bit of a jolly in the sun by the look of it, probably the only day of the year that council workers will break into a sweat!
I passed them as well this lunchtime around the Civic Centre, all a bit of a jolly in the sun by the look of it, probably the only day of the year that council workers will break into a sweat! shirlski
  • Score: 23

3:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Parrotgone says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather!
I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?
Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather![/p][/quote]I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?[/p][/quote]Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported. Parrotgone
  • Score: 1

3:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Parrotgone says...

ToastyTea wrote:
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
D'you suppose that trade unionists are against you being employed or decently paid?
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)[/p][/quote]D'you suppose that trade unionists are against you being employed or decently paid? Parrotgone
  • Score: 11

3:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

zochlo says...

I find it interesting, that parents can be fined, for taking their kids on holiday in term time, yet these teachers can take time out of their education, willy nilly.
Parents should be invoicing the teachers for child care!
I find it interesting, that parents can be fined, for taking their kids on holiday in term time, yet these teachers can take time out of their education, willy nilly. Parents should be invoicing the teachers for child care! zochlo
  • Score: 20

3:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Parrotgone says...

Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly. Parrotgone
  • Score: 25

3:33pm Thu 10 Jul 14

camerajuan says...

Parrotgone wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather!
I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?
Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported.
Same week as my graduation. Extremely surprised that it was bright with no wind or rain all week.

Still, to reiterate my point on the other story, If I was on a teacher's salary, and had summer off, I would be too ashamed to strike.
[quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather![/p][/quote]I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?[/p][/quote]Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported.[/p][/quote]Same week as my graduation. Extremely surprised that it was bright with no wind or rain all week. Still, to reiterate my point on the other story, If I was on a teacher's salary, and had summer off, I would be too ashamed to strike. camerajuan
  • Score: -9

3:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Parrotgone says...

camerajuan wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather!
I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?
Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported.
Same week as my graduation. Extremely surprised that it was bright with no wind or rain all week.

Still, to reiterate my point on the other story, If I was on a teacher's salary, and had summer off, I would be too ashamed to strike.
Starting pay for teachers is below the national average wage (which is it's self shamefully low) and, like other public sector workers, they have had an approximate 16% real term reduction in pay in recent years, with the government on the eve of this strike talking about below inflation pay rises in the public sector extending to 2018 - pronouncements that certainly weren't intended to forestall any industrial action.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather![/p][/quote]I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?[/p][/quote]Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported.[/p][/quote]Same week as my graduation. Extremely surprised that it was bright with no wind or rain all week. Still, to reiterate my point on the other story, If I was on a teacher's salary, and had summer off, I would be too ashamed to strike.[/p][/quote]Starting pay for teachers is below the national average wage (which is it's self shamefully low) and, like other public sector workers, they have had an approximate 16% real term reduction in pay in recent years, with the government on the eve of this strike talking about below inflation pay rises in the public sector extending to 2018 - pronouncements that certainly weren't intended to forestall any industrial action. Parrotgone
  • Score: 16

3:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Lazy says...

365 days in a year

- weekends = 104
- February half term = 9
- Easter holidays = 14
- Summer half term = 8
- Summer holidays = 40
- October half term = 9
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16
- Snow days = 6 (Average)
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average)

Total days Worked = 152

And they want more money ?!?!?!
365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?! Lazy
  • Score: 0

3:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Dusty says...

The government has done a great job in divide and rule, by making this a public sector against private sector. The fact is no matter who you work for, we should all fight for decent wages and conditions.

If anyone wants to direct any criticism. It should not be on the low paid council worker. It should be on the councillors who take home more in expenses than i do in wages. MPs who say we have a black hole and we need to pay for that, while awarding themselves 11% pay rise and the cherry on the top is our tax money by the billions to pay for the bankers greed, while they still get those million pound bonuses.

They are the villains in all this, not the council worker who picks your rubbish up.
The government has done a great job in divide and rule, by making this a public sector against private sector. The fact is no matter who you work for, we should all fight for decent wages and conditions. If anyone wants to direct any criticism. It should not be on the low paid council worker. It should be on the councillors who take home more in expenses than i do in wages. MPs who say we have a black hole and we need to pay for that, while awarding themselves 11% pay rise and the cherry on the top is our tax money by the billions to pay for the bankers greed, while they still get those million pound bonuses. They are the villains in all this, not the council worker who picks your rubbish up. Dusty
  • Score: 29

3:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Parrotgone says...

Dusty wrote:
The government has done a great job in divide and rule, by making this a public sector against private sector. The fact is no matter who you work for, we should all fight for decent wages and conditions.

If anyone wants to direct any criticism. It should not be on the low paid council worker. It should be on the councillors who take home more in expenses than i do in wages. MPs who say we have a black hole and we need to pay for that, while awarding themselves 11% pay rise and the cherry on the top is our tax money by the billions to pay for the bankers greed, while they still get those million pound bonuses.

They are the villains in all this, not the council worker who picks your rubbish up.
Quite.
And driving down public sector wages is a very effective mechanism in driving down wages generally. (As for that matter is public service outsourcing).
It's not executives, mps, or business owners who feel the pinch of that. It's workers generally, public or private.

The reform of public sector pensions to average earnings a few years ago acknowledged an essential fact that in other circumstances this government wouldn't - that for the bulk of workers earning stay fairly flat through their career, whilst for a minority they take off exponentially late in their career. It is the majority whose earnings stay fairly constant over the course of their careers who will suffer from a general reduction of wage levels in this country.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: The government has done a great job in divide and rule, by making this a public sector against private sector. The fact is no matter who you work for, we should all fight for decent wages and conditions. If anyone wants to direct any criticism. It should not be on the low paid council worker. It should be on the councillors who take home more in expenses than i do in wages. MPs who say we have a black hole and we need to pay for that, while awarding themselves 11% pay rise and the cherry on the top is our tax money by the billions to pay for the bankers greed, while they still get those million pound bonuses. They are the villains in all this, not the council worker who picks your rubbish up.[/p][/quote]Quite. And driving down public sector wages is a very effective mechanism in driving down wages generally. (As for that matter is public service outsourcing). It's not executives, mps, or business owners who feel the pinch of that. It's workers generally, public or private. The reform of public sector pensions to average earnings a few years ago acknowledged an essential fact that in other circumstances this government wouldn't - that for the bulk of workers earning stay fairly flat through their career, whilst for a minority they take off exponentially late in their career. It is the majority whose earnings stay fairly constant over the course of their careers who will suffer from a general reduction of wage levels in this country. Parrotgone
  • Score: 17

3:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

this one here says...

Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
If we truly valued education we wouldn't allow people with third class honours become teachers.
[quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]If we truly valued education we wouldn't allow people with third class honours become teachers. this one here
  • Score: 1

3:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

All said and done says...

I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself. All said and done
  • Score: 6

4:01pm Thu 10 Jul 14

idlehanz says...

As a parent I'm totally in support of the teachers. Having the inconvenience of having to find childcare for the odd day in my view is nothing in comparison to the increasing likely hood of damage being made to my child's education in the long term. (Although the govt seems to be pretty far down the road with this already!)

If you bother to take the time to talk to any teacher you'll find its not about pay, sure they'd like a decent pension (wouldn't we all!), but ultimately its about working conditions.

The ignorant will assume, probably a 9-3pm job with lots and lots of holiday.

The reality is is more of a 7am-6pm job with work ever evening and at least one day of every weekend.

Working more than 60-70 hours a week means tired teachers. Less motivated teachers. Is it any wonder many are leaving in droves, and newly qualified teacher drop our rates is higher than ever.

The government promised reduced bureaucracy for teachers, but the reality is the opposite has happened. Gove is laughable, and like a child with his hands over his ears saying I'm not listening.

I want my child's teacher to be enthusiastic and motivated during that all important small part of their day that is actually 'teaching!' as this is what engages children and helps them learn better. How anyone can maintain the energy levels necessary is a small wonder. I know exactly how hard my child's teacher works and she needs a **** break!

Keep driving them in to the ground and our children's education will suffer. They even often put unqualified teachers to cover teachers when they are off or away, which is a further degradation of the quality of teaching delivered.
As a parent I'm totally in support of the teachers. Having the inconvenience of having to find childcare for the odd day in my view is nothing in comparison to the increasing likely hood of damage being made to my child's education in the long term. (Although the govt seems to be pretty far down the road with this already!) If you bother to take the time to talk to any teacher you'll find its not about pay, sure they'd like a decent pension (wouldn't we all!), but ultimately its about working conditions. The ignorant will assume, probably a 9-3pm job with lots and lots of holiday. The reality is is more of a 7am-6pm job with work ever evening and at least one day of every weekend. Working more than 60-70 hours a week means tired teachers. Less motivated teachers. Is it any wonder many are leaving in droves, and newly qualified teacher drop our rates is higher than ever. The government promised reduced bureaucracy for teachers, but the reality is the opposite has happened. Gove is laughable, and like a child with his hands over his ears saying I'm not listening. I want my child's teacher to be enthusiastic and motivated during that all important small part of their day that is actually 'teaching!' as this is what engages children and helps them learn better. How anyone can maintain the energy levels necessary is a small wonder. I know exactly how hard my child's teacher works and she needs a **** break! Keep driving them in to the ground and our children's education will suffer. They even often put unqualified teachers to cover teachers when they are off or away, which is a further degradation of the quality of teaching delivered. idlehanz
  • Score: 38

4:03pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Revolution802 says...

Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it.
Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!!
[quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it. Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!! Revolution802
  • Score: -14

4:05pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Eastleigh Bloke says...

Lazy wrote:
365 days in a year

- weekends = 104
- February half term = 9
- Easter holidays = 14
- Summer half term = 8
- Summer holidays = 40
- October half term = 9
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16
- Snow days = 6 (Average)
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average)

Total days Worked = 152

And they want more money ?!?!?!
You've counted holiday weekends twice - once in the 104 and again in the holidays.

3/10 See me.
[quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]You've counted holiday weekends twice - once in the 104 and again in the holidays. 3/10 See me. Eastleigh Bloke
  • Score: 39

4:14pm Thu 10 Jul 14

james_33 says...

Seriously... I have worked in the public sector and they have more than fair salaries and the best pensions in the country!

Want, want, want, but try and get work out of over half of them and they moan!

Get back to work!
Seriously... I have worked in the public sector and they have more than fair salaries and the best pensions in the country! Want, want, want, but try and get work out of over half of them and they moan! Get back to work! james_33
  • Score: -8

4:18pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

Dusty wrote:
The government has done a great job in divide and rule, by making this a public sector against private sector. The fact is no matter who you work for, we should all fight for decent wages and conditions.

If anyone wants to direct any criticism. It should not be on the low paid council worker. It should be on the councillors who take home more in expenses than i do in wages. MPs who say we have a black hole and we need to pay for that, while awarding themselves 11% pay rise and the cherry on the top is our tax money by the billions to pay for the bankers greed, while they still get those million pound bonuses.

They are the villains in all this, not the council worker who picks your rubbish up.
I think you are wasting you're time trying to impart some knowledge on this lot.. I just worry that if we ever had to go to war to defend this once great nation (which is a real possibility with the reduction in the armed forces & reliance on reservists), this lot couldn't muster up one wet **** amongst them, roll over & wave the white flag, my grandfather would turn in his grave, this country is so much trouble...
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: The government has done a great job in divide and rule, by making this a public sector against private sector. The fact is no matter who you work for, we should all fight for decent wages and conditions. If anyone wants to direct any criticism. It should not be on the low paid council worker. It should be on the councillors who take home more in expenses than i do in wages. MPs who say we have a black hole and we need to pay for that, while awarding themselves 11% pay rise and the cherry on the top is our tax money by the billions to pay for the bankers greed, while they still get those million pound bonuses. They are the villains in all this, not the council worker who picks your rubbish up.[/p][/quote]I think you are wasting you're time trying to impart some knowledge on this lot.. I just worry that if we ever had to go to war to defend this once great nation (which is a real possibility with the reduction in the armed forces & reliance on reservists), this lot couldn't muster up one wet **** amongst them, roll over & wave the white flag, my grandfather would turn in his grave, this country is so much trouble... Solent Soul
  • Score: 5

4:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Lazy wrote:
365 days in a year

- weekends = 104
- February half term = 9
- Easter holidays = 14
- Summer half term = 8
- Summer holidays = 40
- October half term = 9
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16
- Snow days = 6 (Average)
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average)

Total days Worked = 152

And they want more money ?!?!?!
your maths is dire... you can't count 52 x 2 days for weekends and then include them again for school holidays.... LOL....

just try this 8+7+8+6+8+5 = 42 weeks x 5 days = 210 days

then deduct strike days and snow days on average = 205 days.

then deduct average teacher sick days = 195 days.....
[quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]your maths is dire... you can't count 52 x 2 days for weekends and then include them again for school holidays.... LOL.... just try this 8+7+8+6+8+5 = 42 weeks x 5 days = 210 days then deduct strike days and snow days on average = 205 days. then deduct average teacher sick days = 195 days..... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 0

4:25pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Dusty says...

All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
[quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true Dusty
  • Score: 15

4:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

All said and done says...

idlehanz wrote:
As a parent I'm totally in support of the teachers. Having the inconvenience of having to find childcare for the odd day in my view is nothing in comparison to the increasing likely hood of damage being made to my child's education in the long term. (Although the govt seems to be pretty far down the road with this already!)

If you bother to take the time to talk to any teacher you'll find its not about pay, sure they'd like a decent pension (wouldn't we all!), but ultimately its about working conditions.

The ignorant will assume, probably a 9-3pm job with lots and lots of holiday.

The reality is is more of a 7am-6pm job with work ever evening and at least one day of every weekend.

Working more than 60-70 hours a week means tired teachers. Less motivated teachers. Is it any wonder many are leaving in droves, and newly qualified teacher drop our rates is higher than ever.

The government promised reduced bureaucracy for teachers, but the reality is the opposite has happened. Gove is laughable, and like a child with his hands over his ears saying I'm not listening.

I want my child's teacher to be enthusiastic and motivated during that all important small part of their day that is actually 'teaching!' as this is what engages children and helps them learn better. How anyone can maintain the energy levels necessary is a small wonder. I know exactly how hard my child's teacher works and she needs a **** break!

Keep driving them in to the ground and our children's education will suffer. They even often put unqualified teachers to cover teachers when they are off or away, which is a further degradation of the quality of teaching delivered.
Your point would be valid if it was a teachers strike but it's not, it's a public workers strike
[quote][p][bold]idlehanz[/bold] wrote: As a parent I'm totally in support of the teachers. Having the inconvenience of having to find childcare for the odd day in my view is nothing in comparison to the increasing likely hood of damage being made to my child's education in the long term. (Although the govt seems to be pretty far down the road with this already!) If you bother to take the time to talk to any teacher you'll find its not about pay, sure they'd like a decent pension (wouldn't we all!), but ultimately its about working conditions. The ignorant will assume, probably a 9-3pm job with lots and lots of holiday. The reality is is more of a 7am-6pm job with work ever evening and at least one day of every weekend. Working more than 60-70 hours a week means tired teachers. Less motivated teachers. Is it any wonder many are leaving in droves, and newly qualified teacher drop our rates is higher than ever. The government promised reduced bureaucracy for teachers, but the reality is the opposite has happened. Gove is laughable, and like a child with his hands over his ears saying I'm not listening. I want my child's teacher to be enthusiastic and motivated during that all important small part of their day that is actually 'teaching!' as this is what engages children and helps them learn better. How anyone can maintain the energy levels necessary is a small wonder. I know exactly how hard my child's teacher works and she needs a **** break! Keep driving them in to the ground and our children's education will suffer. They even often put unqualified teachers to cover teachers when they are off or away, which is a further degradation of the quality of teaching delivered.[/p][/quote]Your point would be valid if it was a teachers strike but it's not, it's a public workers strike All said and done
  • Score: -8

4:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

St.Ray says...

Did anyone miss them at "work"
Feather bedded Civil Servants need to join the real world where you only get rewarded for what you you actually do & achieve, not because it's "Buggins Turn"
Did anyone miss them at "work" Feather bedded Civil Servants need to join the real world where you only get rewarded for what you you actually do & achieve, not because it's "Buggins Turn" St.Ray
  • Score: -10

4:31pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

Revolution802 wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it.
Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!!
How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..
[quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it. Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!![/p][/quote]How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 19

4:34pm Thu 10 Jul 14

All said and done says...

Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions All said and done
  • Score: -9

4:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

noodlesnewman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
this one here wrote:
There where big groups of them sat outside the soul cellar when I passed at lunch, busy day protesting I see!
Don't say that, half we be off sick tomorrow with a hang over.
how an earth can you affiliate your self with the iron lady who allowed and turned a blind eye to the paedo ring operating within her government ? I for one support these people striking, i realised a long time ago these PARASITES are not fit to rule us and divide us whole heartedly, and while we are all arguing our civil liberties are being stripped away , lord mc alpines new book all about MACHIAVELIANISM, this is their tool , divide conquer , problem , reaction, solution , covertly stir up two parties then stand back and clean up when the two have destroyed each other .Unless we start to unite against one common enemy we will suffer more and more , we are moving toward s extreme capitalism which is communism !
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]this one here[/bold] wrote: There where big groups of them sat outside the soul cellar when I passed at lunch, busy day protesting I see![/p][/quote]Don't say that, half we be off sick tomorrow with a hang over.[/p][/quote]how an earth can you affiliate your self with the iron lady who allowed and turned a blind eye to the paedo ring operating within her government ? I for one support these people striking, i realised a long time ago these PARASITES are not fit to rule us and divide us whole heartedly, and while we are all arguing our civil liberties are being stripped away , lord mc alpines new book all about MACHIAVELIANISM, this is their tool , divide conquer , problem , reaction, solution , covertly stir up two parties then stand back and clean up when the two have destroyed each other .Unless we start to unite against one common enemy we will suffer more and more , we are moving toward s extreme capitalism which is communism ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 10

4:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

St.Ray says...

Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
Most people do value education, but their children do not receive a very good education from the Politically motivated left wing "educationalists" that are supposed to provide it. If the teachers were to concentrate on providing a good education to todays' children & less on their Political aims & also try to improve their own levels on knowledge then some progress may occur
[quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]Most people do value education, but their children do not receive a very good education from the Politically motivated left wing "educationalists" that are supposed to provide it. If the teachers were to concentrate on providing a good education to todays' children & less on their Political aims & also try to improve their own levels on knowledge then some progress may occur St.Ray
  • Score: -6

4:38pm Thu 10 Jul 14

sally208 says...

Lazy wrote:
365 days in a year

- weekends = 104
- February half term = 9
- Easter holidays = 14
- Summer half term = 8
- Summer holidays = 40
- October half term = 9
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16
- Snow days = 6 (Average)
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average)

Total days Worked = 152

And they want more money ?!?!?!
Think you'll find it's 5 days teacher training days maximum.
[quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]Think you'll find it's 5 days teacher training days maximum. sally208
  • Score: 3

4:39pm Thu 10 Jul 14

IronLady2010 says...

I'm looking forward to the comments later, when those who were on strike have been down the local pub and start kicking off. Should be interesting reading.
I'm looking forward to the comments later, when those who were on strike have been down the local pub and start kicking off. Should be interesting reading. IronLady2010
  • Score: -7

4:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

Cyril Smith??? Was he part of the Government. Don't post unless you can think things through and try and be rational. Your rant is nonsense.
Cyril Smith??? Was he part of the Government. Don't post unless you can think things through and try and be rational. Your rant is nonsense. miltonarcher
  • Score: -6

4:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

St.Ray says...

Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
Thought??? Do you mean FOUGHT?
INGORANT ****
The Trade Union movement have done some considerable good over the years but often at a very high (unacceptable?) price to a great number of people, including their members
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]Thought??? Do you mean FOUGHT? INGORANT **** The Trade Union movement have done some considerable good over the years but often at a very high (unacceptable?) price to a great number of people, including their members St.Ray
  • Score: -1

4:52pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Dusty says...

All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
[quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike. Dusty
  • Score: 12

4:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Parrotgone says...

Revolution802 wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it.
Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!!
The fact that public sector workers knew their job and pay is partly what this is about. They knew their job and pay, but they didn't bank on below inflation pay increases that have seen their pay drop by 16% or having to protect their pensions against attempts to devalue those.

And what would be the point of striking during the weekend? That's not a strike, it's a march. (Unless your normal working pattern includes weekends). If strikes didn't cause disruption they wouldn't serve as a tactic in dispute. They are the weapon that workers / unions have when employers won't negotiate.
[quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it. Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!![/p][/quote]The fact that public sector workers knew their job and pay is partly what this is about. They knew their job and pay, but they didn't bank on below inflation pay increases that have seen their pay drop by 16% or having to protect their pensions against attempts to devalue those. And what would be the point of striking during the weekend? That's not a strike, it's a march. (Unless your normal working pattern includes weekends). If strikes didn't cause disruption they wouldn't serve as a tactic in dispute. They are the weapon that workers / unions have when employers won't negotiate. Parrotgone
  • Score: 16

4:56pm Thu 10 Jul 14

southy says...

Lazy wrote:
365 days in a year

- weekends = 104
- February half term = 9
- Easter holidays = 14
- Summer half term = 8
- Summer holidays = 40
- October half term = 9
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16
- Snow days = 6 (Average)
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average)

Total days Worked = 152

And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked
- February half term = 9 --- is Worked
- Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work
- Summer half term = 8------ is worked
- Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday
- October half term = 9 ------ is worked
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked
- Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
[quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also southy
  • Score: 10

4:56pm Thu 10 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
why don't you , instead , quit whinging and moaning and up-skill and get yourself a better job with more money and better conditions..... or are you just too lazy ?
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.[/p][/quote]why don't you , instead , quit whinging and moaning and up-skill and get yourself a better job with more money and better conditions..... or are you just too lazy ? steekeemcglue
  • Score: -8

4:57pm Thu 10 Jul 14

katethelaundyygirl says...

Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.[/p][/quote]You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that. katethelaundyygirl
  • Score: -5

4:57pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Parrotgone says...

St.Ray wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
Most people do value education, but their children do not receive a very good education from the Politically motivated left wing "educationalist
s" that are supposed to provide it. If the teachers were to concentrate on providing a good education to todays' children & less on their Political aims & also try to improve their own levels on knowledge then some progress may occur
I think under the current government children are less susceptible to the political aims of teachers than they are the political aims of the Minister for Education. And are increasingly losing autonomy.
[quote][p][bold]St.Ray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]Most people do value education, but their children do not receive a very good education from the Politically motivated left wing "educationalist s" that are supposed to provide it. If the teachers were to concentrate on providing a good education to todays' children & less on their Political aims & also try to improve their own levels on knowledge then some progress may occur[/p][/quote]I think under the current government children are less susceptible to the political aims of teachers than they are the political aims of the Minister for Education. And are increasingly losing autonomy. Parrotgone
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

katethelaundyygirl says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
why don't you , instead , quit whinging and moaning and up-skill and get yourself a better job with more money and better conditions..... or are you just too lazy ?
AGREED!
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.[/p][/quote]why don't you , instead , quit whinging and moaning and up-skill and get yourself a better job with more money and better conditions..... or are you just too lazy ?[/p][/quote]AGREED! katethelaundyygirl
  • Score: -5

4:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

aldermoorboy says...

Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension.

Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more.

This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough.

If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not
Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension. Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more. This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough. If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not aldermoorboy
  • Score: -13

4:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

southy says...

All said and done wrote:
idlehanz wrote:
As a parent I'm totally in support of the teachers. Having the inconvenience of having to find childcare for the odd day in my view is nothing in comparison to the increasing likely hood of damage being made to my child's education in the long term. (Although the govt seems to be pretty far down the road with this already!)

If you bother to take the time to talk to any teacher you'll find its not about pay, sure they'd like a decent pension (wouldn't we all!), but ultimately its about working conditions.

The ignorant will assume, probably a 9-3pm job with lots and lots of holiday.

The reality is is more of a 7am-6pm job with work ever evening and at least one day of every weekend.

Working more than 60-70 hours a week means tired teachers. Less motivated teachers. Is it any wonder many are leaving in droves, and newly qualified teacher drop our rates is higher than ever.

The government promised reduced bureaucracy for teachers, but the reality is the opposite has happened. Gove is laughable, and like a child with his hands over his ears saying I'm not listening.

I want my child's teacher to be enthusiastic and motivated during that all important small part of their day that is actually 'teaching!' as this is what engages children and helps them learn better. How anyone can maintain the energy levels necessary is a small wonder. I know exactly how hard my child's teacher works and she needs a **** break!

Keep driving them in to the ground and our children's education will suffer. They even often put unqualified teachers to cover teachers when they are off or away, which is a further degradation of the quality of teaching delivered.
Your point would be valid if it was a teachers strike but it's not, it's a public workers strike
That is true, it as turned out to be the biggest public sector strike since 1926 General Strike.
[quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]idlehanz[/bold] wrote: As a parent I'm totally in support of the teachers. Having the inconvenience of having to find childcare for the odd day in my view is nothing in comparison to the increasing likely hood of damage being made to my child's education in the long term. (Although the govt seems to be pretty far down the road with this already!) If you bother to take the time to talk to any teacher you'll find its not about pay, sure they'd like a decent pension (wouldn't we all!), but ultimately its about working conditions. The ignorant will assume, probably a 9-3pm job with lots and lots of holiday. The reality is is more of a 7am-6pm job with work ever evening and at least one day of every weekend. Working more than 60-70 hours a week means tired teachers. Less motivated teachers. Is it any wonder many are leaving in droves, and newly qualified teacher drop our rates is higher than ever. The government promised reduced bureaucracy for teachers, but the reality is the opposite has happened. Gove is laughable, and like a child with his hands over his ears saying I'm not listening. I want my child's teacher to be enthusiastic and motivated during that all important small part of their day that is actually 'teaching!' as this is what engages children and helps them learn better. How anyone can maintain the energy levels necessary is a small wonder. I know exactly how hard my child's teacher works and she needs a **** break! Keep driving them in to the ground and our children's education will suffer. They even often put unqualified teachers to cover teachers when they are off or away, which is a further degradation of the quality of teaching delivered.[/p][/quote]Your point would be valid if it was a teachers strike but it's not, it's a public workers strike[/p][/quote]That is true, it as turned out to be the biggest public sector strike since 1926 General Strike. southy
  • Score: 4

5:01pm Thu 10 Jul 14

All said and done says...

Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
Obviously can't read or spell. Have I said anything about the unions? No. Have I stated my opinion on this strike? Yes. I have that right also. Now unless you have a valid reply you can step down off the shout box.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.[/p][/quote]Obviously can't read or spell. Have I said anything about the unions? No. Have I stated my opinion on this strike? Yes. I have that right also. Now unless you have a valid reply you can step down off the shout box. All said and done
  • Score: -10

5:02pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Revolution802 says...

Solent Soul wrote:
Revolution802 wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it.
Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!!
How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..
I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs.
[quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it. Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!![/p][/quote]How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..[/p][/quote]I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs. Revolution802
  • Score: -8

5:02pm Thu 10 Jul 14

SFC-Matt says...

Trade unions have become a vehicle for laziness and money grabbing.
The pension on offer is more than fair.
Trade unions have become a vehicle for laziness and money grabbing. The pension on offer is more than fair. SFC-Matt
  • Score: -10

5:05pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Revolution802 says...

All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
Obviously can't read or spell. Have I said anything about the unions? No. Have I stated my opinion on this strike? Yes. I have that right also. Now unless you have a valid reply you can step down off the shout box.
As much as I disagree with "all said and done", they do have a good point, if your going to argue your case please do so with logic.
[quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.[/p][/quote]Obviously can't read or spell. Have I said anything about the unions? No. Have I stated my opinion on this strike? Yes. I have that right also. Now unless you have a valid reply you can step down off the shout box.[/p][/quote]As much as I disagree with "all said and done", they do have a good point, if your going to argue your case please do so with logic. Revolution802
  • Score: -1

5:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Dusty says...

St.Ray wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
Thought??? Do you mean FOUGHT?
INGORANT ****
The Trade Union movement have done some considerable good over the years but often at a very high (unacceptable?) price to a great number of people, including their members
Oh i made a typo and you had to nitpick over that, how childish
[quote][p][bold]St.Ray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]Thought??? Do you mean FOUGHT? INGORANT **** The Trade Union movement have done some considerable good over the years but often at a very high (unacceptable?) price to a great number of people, including their members[/p][/quote]Oh i made a typo and you had to nitpick over that, how childish Dusty
  • Score: 4

5:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

SFC-Matt says...

southy wrote:
Lazy wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
Don't be so stupid. Absurd
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also[/p][/quote]Don't be so stupid. Absurd SFC-Matt
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Dusty says...

katethelaundyygirl wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that.
I know what he earns and i have the right to end my subs. I dont have so much say when the government decides i will pay for bankers greed and government incompetence, while they reward themselves 11% pay rise

Just goes to show that if you work with in a union you are well paid, so no hypocrisy there ;)
[quote][p][bold]katethelaundyygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.[/p][/quote]You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that.[/p][/quote]I know what he earns and i have the right to end my subs. I dont have so much say when the government decides i will pay for bankers greed and government incompetence, while they reward themselves 11% pay rise Just goes to show that if you work with in a union you are well paid, so no hypocrisy there ;) Dusty
  • Score: 5

5:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

idlehanz says...

All said and done wrote:
idlehanz wrote:
As a parent I'm totally in support of the teachers. Having the inconvenience of having to find childcare for the odd day in my view is nothing in comparison to the increasing likely hood of damage being made to my child's education in the long term. (Although the govt seems to be pretty far down the road with this already!)

If you bother to take the time to talk to any teacher you'll find its not about pay, sure they'd like a decent pension (wouldn't we all!), but ultimately its about working conditions.

The ignorant will assume, probably a 9-3pm job with lots and lots of holiday.

The reality is is more of a 7am-6pm job with work ever evening and at least one day of every weekend.

Working more than 60-70 hours a week means tired teachers. Less motivated teachers. Is it any wonder many are leaving in droves, and newly qualified teacher drop our rates is higher than ever.

The government promised reduced bureaucracy for teachers, but the reality is the opposite has happened. Gove is laughable, and like a child with his hands over his ears saying I'm not listening.

I want my child's teacher to be enthusiastic and motivated during that all important small part of their day that is actually 'teaching!' as this is what engages children and helps them learn better. How anyone can maintain the energy levels necessary is a small wonder. I know exactly how hard my child's teacher works and she needs a **** break!

Keep driving them in to the ground and our children's education will suffer. They even often put unqualified teachers to cover teachers when they are off or away, which is a further degradation of the quality of teaching delivered.
Your point would be valid if it was a teachers strike but it's not, it's a public workers strike
lol

your welcome to your broad sweeping brush, but to assume everyone is in the same boat would be sheer ignorance on all sides.

Still its the sort of rhetoric the govt would prefer the masses to think. Ignorance is bliss after all.
[quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]idlehanz[/bold] wrote: As a parent I'm totally in support of the teachers. Having the inconvenience of having to find childcare for the odd day in my view is nothing in comparison to the increasing likely hood of damage being made to my child's education in the long term. (Although the govt seems to be pretty far down the road with this already!) If you bother to take the time to talk to any teacher you'll find its not about pay, sure they'd like a decent pension (wouldn't we all!), but ultimately its about working conditions. The ignorant will assume, probably a 9-3pm job with lots and lots of holiday. The reality is is more of a 7am-6pm job with work ever evening and at least one day of every weekend. Working more than 60-70 hours a week means tired teachers. Less motivated teachers. Is it any wonder many are leaving in droves, and newly qualified teacher drop our rates is higher than ever. The government promised reduced bureaucracy for teachers, but the reality is the opposite has happened. Gove is laughable, and like a child with his hands over his ears saying I'm not listening. I want my child's teacher to be enthusiastic and motivated during that all important small part of their day that is actually 'teaching!' as this is what engages children and helps them learn better. How anyone can maintain the energy levels necessary is a small wonder. I know exactly how hard my child's teacher works and she needs a **** break! Keep driving them in to the ground and our children's education will suffer. They even often put unqualified teachers to cover teachers when they are off or away, which is a further degradation of the quality of teaching delivered.[/p][/quote]Your point would be valid if it was a teachers strike but it's not, it's a public workers strike[/p][/quote]lol your welcome to your broad sweeping brush, but to assume everyone is in the same boat would be sheer ignorance on all sides. Still its the sort of rhetoric the govt would prefer the masses to think. Ignorance is bliss after all. idlehanz
  • Score: 3

5:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Dusty wrote:
katethelaundyygirl wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that.
I know what he earns and i have the right to end my subs. I dont have so much say when the government decides i will pay for bankers greed and government incompetence, while they reward themselves 11% pay rise

Just goes to show that if you work with in a union you are well paid, so no hypocrisy there ;)
bankers greed !?!?! don't you mean yours,mine and everyone else's greed. Banks did not create the mess, the people that use banks did.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]katethelaundyygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.[/p][/quote]You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that.[/p][/quote]I know what he earns and i have the right to end my subs. I dont have so much say when the government decides i will pay for bankers greed and government incompetence, while they reward themselves 11% pay rise Just goes to show that if you work with in a union you are well paid, so no hypocrisy there ;)[/p][/quote]bankers greed !?!?! don't you mean yours,mine and everyone else's greed. Banks did not create the mess, the people that use banks did. steekeemcglue
  • Score: -6

5:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

katethelaundyygirl says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Dusty wrote:
katethelaundyygirl wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that.
I know what he earns and i have the right to end my subs. I dont have so much say when the government decides i will pay for bankers greed and government incompetence, while they reward themselves 11% pay rise

Just goes to show that if you work with in a union you are well paid, so no hypocrisy there ;)
bankers greed !?!?! don't you mean yours,mine and everyone else's greed. Banks did not create the mess, the people that use banks did.
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]katethelaundyygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.[/p][/quote]You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that.[/p][/quote]I know what he earns and i have the right to end my subs. I dont have so much say when the government decides i will pay for bankers greed and government incompetence, while they reward themselves 11% pay rise Just goes to show that if you work with in a union you are well paid, so no hypocrisy there ;)[/p][/quote]bankers greed !?!?! don't you mean yours,mine and everyone else's greed. Banks did not create the mess, the people that use banks did.[/p][/quote]Spot on! katethelaundyygirl
  • Score: -4

5:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

footballfan123 says...

MP's THE people who have decided to award hard workers with a pathetic 1% are being given a pay rise of 11%. So politicians, who have never worked as a teachers or firefighters etc set the rules for them whilst they themselves have much bigger pay rises and better working conditions. As for GOVE, well again on his mega salary and huge increase, he decides that teachers be paid according to their performance! Well isn't that ironic! His performance is terrible yet he gets a huge pay rise! Wake up people!!!! My partner is a teacher. She works every evening, every weekend, it causes issues in our relationship because she is so tired and it is not her fault. She works over 60 hours a week to be told that she is not good enough because the children living in flats with 6 other siblings are not making enough progress. When she makes them work harder, a parent arrives with their vicious dog to scare her. So Gove says pay her less while he gets 11% and free train travel etc. Gove go and be a teacher in an inner city school! Go and be a fire fighter at 70 years old carry someone from a burning building. These strikes are necessary!
MP's THE people who have decided to award hard workers with a pathetic 1% are being given a pay rise of 11%. So politicians, who have never worked as a teachers or firefighters etc set the rules for them whilst they themselves have much bigger pay rises and better working conditions. As for GOVE, well again on his mega salary and huge increase, he decides that teachers be paid according to their performance! Well isn't that ironic! His performance is terrible yet he gets a huge pay rise! Wake up people!!!! My partner is a teacher. She works every evening, every weekend, it causes issues in our relationship because she is so tired and it is not her fault. She works over 60 hours a week to be told that she is not good enough because the children living in flats with 6 other siblings are not making enough progress. When she makes them work harder, a parent arrives with their vicious dog to scare her. So Gove says pay her less while he gets 11% and free train travel etc. Gove go and be a teacher in an inner city school! Go and be a fire fighter at 70 years old carry someone from a burning building. These strikes are necessary! footballfan123
  • Score: 16

5:33pm Thu 10 Jul 14

katethelaundyygirl says...

I guess we can't change the past, so what happens in the future?

Do we all go out on strike or try and do our bit to fix the issues created.

The last Labour Government almost broke us and here we are trying to make ends meet.

Then you have the greed of those whom want more.

I value teachers, but if they care about the job, money shouldn't come into it.
I guess we can't change the past, so what happens in the future? Do we all go out on strike or try and do our bit to fix the issues created. The last Labour Government almost broke us and here we are trying to make ends meet. Then you have the greed of those whom want more. I value teachers, but if they care about the job, money shouldn't come into it. katethelaundyygirl
  • Score: -8

5:34pm Thu 10 Jul 14

katethelaundyygirl says...

footballfan123 wrote:
MP's THE people who have decided to award hard workers with a pathetic 1% are being given a pay rise of 11%. So politicians, who have never worked as a teachers or firefighters etc set the rules for them whilst they themselves have much bigger pay rises and better working conditions. As for GOVE, well again on his mega salary and huge increase, he decides that teachers be paid according to their performance! Well isn't that ironic! His performance is terrible yet he gets a huge pay rise! Wake up people!!!! My partner is a teacher. She works every evening, every weekend, it causes issues in our relationship because she is so tired and it is not her fault. She works over 60 hours a week to be told that she is not good enough because the children living in flats with 6 other siblings are not making enough progress. When she makes them work harder, a parent arrives with their vicious dog to scare her. So Gove says pay her less while he gets 11% and free train travel etc. Gove go and be a teacher in an inner city school! Go and be a fire fighter at 70 years old carry someone from a burning building. These strikes are necessary!
I really struggled to read that.
[quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote: MP's THE people who have decided to award hard workers with a pathetic 1% are being given a pay rise of 11%. So politicians, who have never worked as a teachers or firefighters etc set the rules for them whilst they themselves have much bigger pay rises and better working conditions. As for GOVE, well again on his mega salary and huge increase, he decides that teachers be paid according to their performance! Well isn't that ironic! His performance is terrible yet he gets a huge pay rise! Wake up people!!!! My partner is a teacher. She works every evening, every weekend, it causes issues in our relationship because she is so tired and it is not her fault. She works over 60 hours a week to be told that she is not good enough because the children living in flats with 6 other siblings are not making enough progress. When she makes them work harder, a parent arrives with their vicious dog to scare her. So Gove says pay her less while he gets 11% and free train travel etc. Gove go and be a teacher in an inner city school! Go and be a fire fighter at 70 years old carry someone from a burning building. These strikes are necessary![/p][/quote]I really struggled to read that. katethelaundyygirl
  • Score: 0

5:38pm Thu 10 Jul 14

footballfan123 says...

katethelaundyygirl wrote:
I guess we can't change the past, so what happens in the future?

Do we all go out on strike or try and do our bit to fix the issues created.

The last Labour Government almost broke us and here we are trying to make ends meet.

Then you have the greed of those whom want more.

I value teachers, but if they care about the job, money shouldn't come into it.
It is not just about money! Teachers are tired and exhausted because they are too busy filling in forms to prove progress against results in other nations. Wouldn't time be better spent on planning lessons?

As for the money. Well if Gove (the education minister) also had 1% pay rise over instead of ten times bigger, money might not have been an issue!
[quote][p][bold]katethelaundyygirl[/bold] wrote: I guess we can't change the past, so what happens in the future? Do we all go out on strike or try and do our bit to fix the issues created. The last Labour Government almost broke us and here we are trying to make ends meet. Then you have the greed of those whom want more. I value teachers, but if they care about the job, money shouldn't come into it.[/p][/quote]It is not just about money! Teachers are tired and exhausted because they are too busy filling in forms to prove progress against results in other nations. Wouldn't time be better spent on planning lessons? As for the money. Well if Gove (the education minister) also had 1% pay rise over instead of ten times bigger, money might not have been an issue! footballfan123
  • Score: 9

5:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Parrotgone says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Dusty wrote:
katethelaundyygirl wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
Dusty wrote:
All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India.

Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on.

It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true
And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions
Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea.

For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.
You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that.
I know what he earns and i have the right to end my subs. I dont have so much say when the government decides i will pay for bankers greed and government incompetence, while they reward themselves 11% pay rise

Just goes to show that if you work with in a union you are well paid, so no hypocrisy there ;)
bankers greed !?!?! don't you mean yours,mine and everyone else's greed. Banks did not create the mess, the people that use banks did.
Sorry, bankers not customers caused the problem. Anyone can apply for a mortgage, but banks don't have to agree to give them one. It was bankers loan agreements, and then the fanciful repackaging of those into derivatives which over-valued them and which weren't properly understood that caused the problem. And much of that not even in this country. It had little, if anything, to do with you, me or anyone else using British high street banks.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]katethelaundyygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Then fight for one them. Your answer is if i cant have it you should not have it either. If we all had your mentality the government would be laughing and you would be working like a sweat shop in India. Who do you think got you paid holidays? Who got you week Ends off, Who thought for minimum wages? Who thought for health and safety in the Work place, the list goes on. It sure would not be the likes of you, it was trade unions and its members. The trade Unions have benefited all. You are just to ignorant to see that. Sorry but its true[/p][/quote]And who pays for it. We do. If you want to work in a socialist society feel free to do so. Oh and private workers can strike but I don't directly pay their wages or pensions[/p][/quote]Err i pay for it out of my subs to the union. By the way i am a tax payer too. So your idea of a socialist is someone who has the democratic right to withdraw his labour. Charming. I think your ideology is best suited to living in North Korea. For the record i hate all politics, Tory, Labour Left, Right what ever. I am in a union for one reasons to protect my wages and my right to strike.[/p][/quote]You may want to look where your subs goes. Your union leader earns more than the PM, but let's not fall out about that.[/p][/quote]I know what he earns and i have the right to end my subs. I dont have so much say when the government decides i will pay for bankers greed and government incompetence, while they reward themselves 11% pay rise Just goes to show that if you work with in a union you are well paid, so no hypocrisy there ;)[/p][/quote]bankers greed !?!?! don't you mean yours,mine and everyone else's greed. Banks did not create the mess, the people that use banks did.[/p][/quote]Sorry, bankers not customers caused the problem. Anyone can apply for a mortgage, but banks don't have to agree to give them one. It was bankers loan agreements, and then the fanciful repackaging of those into derivatives which over-valued them and which weren't properly understood that caused the problem. And much of that not even in this country. It had little, if anything, to do with you, me or anyone else using British high street banks. Parrotgone
  • Score: 9

5:57pm Thu 10 Jul 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension.

Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more.

This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough.

If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not
You've started a post with 'is this correct', and then posted an absolute load of A1 grade baloney. Do some research and get your numbers right.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension. Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more. This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough. If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not[/p][/quote]You've started a post with 'is this correct', and then posted an absolute load of A1 grade baloney. Do some research and get your numbers right. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 7

5:58pm Thu 10 Jul 14

southy says...

SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
Lazy wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
Don't be so stupid. Absurd
try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector
[quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also[/p][/quote]Don't be so stupid. Absurd[/p][/quote]try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector southy
  • Score: 9

6:03pm Thu 10 Jul 14

All said and done says...

southy wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
Lazy wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
Don't be so stupid. Absurd
try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector
I have no knowledge of a teachers job role but if it is as you describe then a work to rule protest would be far more effective than striking.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also[/p][/quote]Don't be so stupid. Absurd[/p][/quote]try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector[/p][/quote]I have no knowledge of a teachers job role but if it is as you describe then a work to rule protest would be far more effective than striking. All said and done
  • Score: 0

6:09pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bobby gull says...

Yet again teachers get it in the neck!!
Teachers get the same statutory holiday pay as any other worker. The rest of the holidays( excuse me while I laugh) are unpaid. If the people on here think it is so easy then spend some time and I don't mean just a day shadowing one to see what a cushy number it is!! If only my wife had all the holidays you talk about. Most is spent working. She is up early and works before leaving home, is in school for 7.30 when it opens and never home before 6pm and then she has more planning or marking to do. At least one day each weekend is also spent working. If her salary was divided into hours it would be well below the minimum wage. Why does she do it? So children have a chance in life. If you want to moan about anything ask yourself why football players are being paid more than you could ever dream of. It seems the perspective is all wrong.
Yet again teachers get it in the neck!! Teachers get the same statutory holiday pay as any other worker. The rest of the holidays( excuse me while I laugh) are unpaid. If the people on here think it is so easy then spend some time and I don't mean just a day shadowing one to see what a cushy number it is!! If only my wife had all the holidays you talk about. Most is spent working. She is up early and works before leaving home, is in school for 7.30 when it opens and never home before 6pm and then she has more planning or marking to do. At least one day each weekend is also spent working. If her salary was divided into hours it would be well below the minimum wage. Why does she do it? So children have a chance in life. If you want to moan about anything ask yourself why football players are being paid more than you could ever dream of. It seems the perspective is all wrong. Bobby gull
  • Score: 15

6:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

katethelaundyygirl says...

southy wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
Lazy wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
Don't be so stupid. Absurd
try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector
Have you tried the job, Southy? God forbid!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also[/p][/quote]Don't be so stupid. Absurd[/p][/quote]try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector[/p][/quote]Have you tried the job, Southy? God forbid! katethelaundyygirl
  • Score: 1

6:12pm Thu 10 Jul 14

katethelaundyygirl says...

Bobby gull wrote:
Yet again teachers get it in the neck!!
Teachers get the same statutory holiday pay as any other worker. The rest of the holidays( excuse me while I laugh) are unpaid. If the people on here think it is so easy then spend some time and I don't mean just a day shadowing one to see what a cushy number it is!! If only my wife had all the holidays you talk about. Most is spent working. She is up early and works before leaving home, is in school for 7.30 when it opens and never home before 6pm and then she has more planning or marking to do. At least one day each weekend is also spent working. If her salary was divided into hours it would be well below the minimum wage. Why does she do it? So children have a chance in life. If you want to moan about anything ask yourself why football players are being paid more than you could ever dream of. It seems the perspective is all wrong.
Me finks football players are private sector. and have nothing to do with this. x
[quote][p][bold]Bobby gull[/bold] wrote: Yet again teachers get it in the neck!! Teachers get the same statutory holiday pay as any other worker. The rest of the holidays( excuse me while I laugh) are unpaid. If the people on here think it is so easy then spend some time and I don't mean just a day shadowing one to see what a cushy number it is!! If only my wife had all the holidays you talk about. Most is spent working. She is up early and works before leaving home, is in school for 7.30 when it opens and never home before 6pm and then she has more planning or marking to do. At least one day each weekend is also spent working. If her salary was divided into hours it would be well below the minimum wage. Why does she do it? So children have a chance in life. If you want to moan about anything ask yourself why football players are being paid more than you could ever dream of. It seems the perspective is all wrong.[/p][/quote]Me finks football players are private sector. and have nothing to do with this. x katethelaundyygirl
  • Score: 0

6:14pm Thu 10 Jul 14

katethelaundyygirl says...

Bobby gull wrote:
Yet again teachers get it in the neck!!
Teachers get the same statutory holiday pay as any other worker. The rest of the holidays( excuse me while I laugh) are unpaid. If the people on here think it is so easy then spend some time and I don't mean just a day shadowing one to see what a cushy number it is!! If only my wife had all the holidays you talk about. Most is spent working. She is up early and works before leaving home, is in school for 7.30 when it opens and never home before 6pm and then she has more planning or marking to do. At least one day each weekend is also spent working. If her salary was divided into hours it would be well below the minimum wage. Why does she do it? So children have a chance in life. If you want to moan about anything ask yourself why football players are being paid more than you could ever dream of. It seems the perspective is all wrong.
Is it time she found a new job if she isn't happy with the hours or pay?

I turned to be self-employed through my own choice and the Government helped me.

Just saying x
[quote][p][bold]Bobby gull[/bold] wrote: Yet again teachers get it in the neck!! Teachers get the same statutory holiday pay as any other worker. The rest of the holidays( excuse me while I laugh) are unpaid. If the people on here think it is so easy then spend some time and I don't mean just a day shadowing one to see what a cushy number it is!! If only my wife had all the holidays you talk about. Most is spent working. She is up early and works before leaving home, is in school for 7.30 when it opens and never home before 6pm and then she has more planning or marking to do. At least one day each weekend is also spent working. If her salary was divided into hours it would be well below the minimum wage. Why does she do it? So children have a chance in life. If you want to moan about anything ask yourself why football players are being paid more than you could ever dream of. It seems the perspective is all wrong.[/p][/quote]Is it time she found a new job if she isn't happy with the hours or pay? I turned to be self-employed through my own choice and the Government helped me. Just saying x katethelaundyygirl
  • Score: -7

6:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

footballfan123 says...

katethelaundyygirl wrote:
Bobby gull wrote:
Yet again teachers get it in the neck!!
Teachers get the same statutory holiday pay as any other worker. The rest of the holidays( excuse me while I laugh) are unpaid. If the people on here think it is so easy then spend some time and I don't mean just a day shadowing one to see what a cushy number it is!! If only my wife had all the holidays you talk about. Most is spent working. She is up early and works before leaving home, is in school for 7.30 when it opens and never home before 6pm and then she has more planning or marking to do. At least one day each weekend is also spent working. If her salary was divided into hours it would be well below the minimum wage. Why does she do it? So children have a chance in life. If you want to moan about anything ask yourself why football players are being paid more than you could ever dream of. It seems the perspective is all wrong.
Is it time she found a new job if she isn't happy with the hours or pay?

I turned to be self-employed through my own choice and the Government helped me.

Just saying x
And how will that help the nations children? Good teachers being forced out by over the top workloads. There will be a teacher shortage. Hence the strikes
[quote][p][bold]katethelaundyygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobby gull[/bold] wrote: Yet again teachers get it in the neck!! Teachers get the same statutory holiday pay as any other worker. The rest of the holidays( excuse me while I laugh) are unpaid. If the people on here think it is so easy then spend some time and I don't mean just a day shadowing one to see what a cushy number it is!! If only my wife had all the holidays you talk about. Most is spent working. She is up early and works before leaving home, is in school for 7.30 when it opens and never home before 6pm and then she has more planning or marking to do. At least one day each weekend is also spent working. If her salary was divided into hours it would be well below the minimum wage. Why does she do it? So children have a chance in life. If you want to moan about anything ask yourself why football players are being paid more than you could ever dream of. It seems the perspective is all wrong.[/p][/quote]Is it time she found a new job if she isn't happy with the hours or pay? I turned to be self-employed through my own choice and the Government helped me. Just saying x[/p][/quote]And how will that help the nations children? Good teachers being forced out by over the top workloads. There will be a teacher shortage. Hence the strikes footballfan123
  • Score: 6

6:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Show's they're on to much money if they can take an unpaid day off when the Unions order them to.
Surely if they're all as poor as they say they are they can't afford unpaid holidays can they?
TUC head said it's about the Living wage? So exactly what's the living wage?
Would the figure say in Liverpool be okay for a worker in London?
Would any worker above the Living wage be willing to take a pay cut so the one's on minimum wages could go to living wage?
Would all public sector workers like to be treated as equals to those in the private sector?
If they would will they be willing to only get a percentage of their wage as a pension or do they want preferential treatment & get final salary pensions?
What vote/ballot was taken for todays action?
Show's they're on to much money if they can take an unpaid day off when the Unions order them to. Surely if they're all as poor as they say they are they can't afford unpaid holidays can they? TUC head said it's about the Living wage? So exactly what's the living wage? Would the figure say in Liverpool be okay for a worker in London? Would any worker above the Living wage be willing to take a pay cut so the one's on minimum wages could go to living wage? Would all public sector workers like to be treated as equals to those in the private sector? If they would will they be willing to only get a percentage of their wage as a pension or do they want preferential treatment & get final salary pensions? What vote/ballot was taken for todays action? loosehead
  • Score: -10

6:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

issacchunt says...

All said and done wrote:
I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.
Exactly the point here but do they care, all the want is more money from the government but the government get the money from our taxes. Do ee not pay enough taxes?

They don't want to work to 68, nore do I but I will and do not have the luxury of a strike. Firefighters don't even want to work to 60
[quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: I cannot support these strikers because they are asking me for money to spend on their pensions when I cannot afford a decent one myself.[/p][/quote]Exactly the point here but do they care, all the want is more money from the government but the government get the money from our taxes. Do ee not pay enough taxes? They don't want to work to 68, nore do I but I will and do not have the luxury of a strike. Firefighters don't even want to work to 60 issacchunt
  • Score: -2

6:45pm Thu 10 Jul 14

resq999 says...

ToastyTea wrote:
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
Whats stopping you making choices to go and work for such fantastic conditions. PS workers in general have made choices and sacrifices to work where they do. You had a similar choices to make I'm assuming that you chose not to work for the public sector
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)[/p][/quote]Whats stopping you making choices to go and work for such fantastic conditions. PS workers in general have made choices and sacrifices to work where they do. You had a similar choices to make I'm assuming that you chose not to work for the public sector resq999
  • Score: 4

6:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

loosehead wrote:
Show's they're on to much money if they can take an unpaid day off when the Unions order them to.
Surely if they're all as poor as they say they are they can't afford unpaid holidays can they?
TUC head said it's about the Living wage? So exactly what's the living wage?
Would the figure say in Liverpool be okay for a worker in London?
Would any worker above the Living wage be willing to take a pay cut so the one's on minimum wages could go to living wage?
Would all public sector workers like to be treated as equals to those in the private sector?
If they would will they be willing to only get a percentage of their wage as a pension or do they want preferential treatment & get final salary pensions?
What vote/ballot was taken for todays action?
Do some research. The answers to all your questions are easy enough to find. And a word of advice: if you want people to stop giving the thumbs down to so many of your posts, then stop phrasing them as a series of questions. Make a point instead.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Show's they're on to much money if they can take an unpaid day off when the Unions order them to. Surely if they're all as poor as they say they are they can't afford unpaid holidays can they? TUC head said it's about the Living wage? So exactly what's the living wage? Would the figure say in Liverpool be okay for a worker in London? Would any worker above the Living wage be willing to take a pay cut so the one's on minimum wages could go to living wage? Would all public sector workers like to be treated as equals to those in the private sector? If they would will they be willing to only get a percentage of their wage as a pension or do they want preferential treatment & get final salary pensions? What vote/ballot was taken for todays action?[/p][/quote]Do some research. The answers to all your questions are easy enough to find. And a word of advice: if you want people to stop giving the thumbs down to so many of your posts, then stop phrasing them as a series of questions. Make a point instead. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 6

6:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bentley280 says...

ToastyTea wrote:
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
Don't forget the massive pension.
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)[/p][/quote]Don't forget the massive pension. Bentley280
  • Score: -4

6:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

southy says...

katethelaundyygirl wrote:
southy wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
Lazy wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
Don't be so stupid. Absurd
try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector
Have you tried the job, Southy? God forbid!
No and I would not, they do to much unpaid work at home, when I get home i want to leave work in the work place not follow me home as well, but I peronally know a number of teachers pass and present and I know what it like for them
[quote][p][bold]katethelaundyygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also[/p][/quote]Don't be so stupid. Absurd[/p][/quote]try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector[/p][/quote]Have you tried the job, Southy? God forbid![/p][/quote]No and I would not, they do to much unpaid work at home, when I get home i want to leave work in the work place not follow me home as well, but I peronally know a number of teachers pass and present and I know what it like for them southy
  • Score: 0

6:58pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bentley280 says...

Lazy wrote:
365 days in a year

- weekends = 104
- February half term = 9
- Easter holidays = 14
- Summer half term = 8
- Summer holidays = 40
- October half term = 9
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16
- Snow days = 6 (Average)
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average)

Total days Worked = 152

And they want more money ?!?!?!
Don't forget the inset days they get very very touchy about those. You try and make an appointment with them on one of these days you won't be able to because they are at home. We took pictures of the car park at our local school on an inset day 3 cars!!!! Boy the excuses they came out with.
[quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]Don't forget the inset days they get very very touchy about those. You try and make an appointment with them on one of these days you won't be able to because they are at home. We took pictures of the car park at our local school on an inset day 3 cars!!!! Boy the excuses they came out with. Bentley280
  • Score: -8

7:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

southy says...

All said and done wrote:
southy wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
Lazy wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
Don't be so stupid. Absurd
try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector
I have no knowledge of a teachers job role but if it is as you describe then a work to rule protest would be far more effective than striking.
The problem with that and its been tried and just as this one day strike it will be ignored by the powers in office, while the country is divided it is conquered by the few and they are laughing at every one of us, because they know while we are divided they have control over us all.
[quote][p][bold]All said and done[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also[/p][/quote]Don't be so stupid. Absurd[/p][/quote]try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector[/p][/quote]I have no knowledge of a teachers job role but if it is as you describe then a work to rule protest would be far more effective than striking.[/p][/quote]The problem with that and its been tried and just as this one day strike it will be ignored by the powers in office, while the country is divided it is conquered by the few and they are laughing at every one of us, because they know while we are divided they have control over us all. southy
  • Score: 0

7:15pm Thu 10 Jul 14

elvisimo says...

Lazy wrote:
365 days in a year

- weekends = 104
- February half term = 9
- Easter holidays = 14
- Summer half term = 8
- Summer holidays = 40
- October half term = 9
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16
- Snow days = 6 (Average)
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average)

Total days Worked = 152

And they want more money ?!?!?!
Ha brilliant. Shows what a lack of education can do to your math skills
[quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]Ha brilliant. Shows what a lack of education can do to your math skills elvisimo
  • Score: 2

7:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Maine Lobster says...

ToastyTea wrote:
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
Fighting for decent pay and conditions is what trade unions do. Who do you think won the minimum wage? Big business and the Tories claimed it would cripple enterprise. What they meant was they could not exploit workers as much and fill their pockets on the backs of the hard work of employees. Just because you have poor wages and terms, does that mean everyone else should be dragged down to your level?
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)[/p][/quote]Fighting for decent pay and conditions is what trade unions do. Who do you think won the minimum wage? Big business and the Tories claimed it would cripple enterprise. What they meant was they could not exploit workers as much and fill their pockets on the backs of the hard work of employees. Just because you have poor wages and terms, does that mean everyone else should be dragged down to your level? Maine Lobster
  • Score: 13

7:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Ronnie G says...

Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
The strikes don't achieve anything other than a huge inconvenience to our children's education, losing them between 4-6hrs from their learning curriculum and not without the inconvenience to other members of the general public. Today was a mass of riotous screeching, whistleblowers making the most of their free rein to 'protest' by shouting their demands like petulant children.
it's the people that sit down at the table together communicating like grown adults in a respectful manner that gets results.
Strikes to me are a political show of arrogance from 'non political' people.
Its like chinese whispers.
Down here in Southampton the members are being fed so much crap they'll believe anything.
[quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]The strikes don't achieve anything other than a huge inconvenience to our children's education, losing them between 4-6hrs from their learning curriculum and not without the inconvenience to other members of the general public. Today was a mass of riotous screeching, whistleblowers making the most of their free rein to 'protest' by shouting their demands like petulant children. it's the people that sit down at the table together communicating like grown adults in a respectful manner that gets results. Strikes to me are a political show of arrogance from 'non political' people. Its like chinese whispers. Down here in Southampton the members are being fed so much crap they'll believe anything. Ronnie G
  • Score: -6

7:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

southy says...

This is not just teachers it a total public service 1 day national strike and the indications are that its the biggest public service strike sence 1926 General Strike.
This is not just teachers it a total public service 1 day national strike and the indications are that its the biggest public service strike sence 1926 General Strike. southy
  • Score: 3

8:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mtm1w07 says...

Bentley280 wrote:
Lazy wrote:
365 days in a year

- weekends = 104
- February half term = 9
- Easter holidays = 14
- Summer half term = 8
- Summer holidays = 40
- October half term = 9
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16
- Snow days = 6 (Average)
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average)

Total days Worked = 152

And they want more money ?!?!?!
Don't forget the inset days they get very very touchy about those. You try and make an appointment with them on one of these days you won't be able to because they are at home. We took pictures of the car park at our local school on an inset day 3 cars!!!! Boy the excuses they came out with.
They don't usually train at their school, they do it elsewhere, thats why there was only 3 cars in the car park (probably caretakers) and of course you couldn't make an appointment with them, they were busy training.
[quote][p][bold]Bentley280[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]Don't forget the inset days they get very very touchy about those. You try and make an appointment with them on one of these days you won't be able to because they are at home. We took pictures of the car park at our local school on an inset day 3 cars!!!! Boy the excuses they came out with.[/p][/quote]They don't usually train at their school, they do it elsewhere, thats why there was only 3 cars in the car park (probably caretakers) and of course you couldn't make an appointment with them, they were busy training. mtm1w07
  • Score: 8

8:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Show's they're on to much money if they can take an unpaid day off when the Unions order them to.
Surely if they're all as poor as they say they are they can't afford unpaid holidays can they?
TUC head said it's about the Living wage? So exactly what's the living wage?
Would the figure say in Liverpool be okay for a worker in London?
Would any worker above the Living wage be willing to take a pay cut so the one's on minimum wages could go to living wage?
Would all public sector workers like to be treated as equals to those in the private sector?
If they would will they be willing to only get a percentage of their wage as a pension or do they want preferential treatment & get final salary pensions?
What vote/ballot was taken for todays action?
Do some research. The answers to all your questions are easy enough to find. And a word of advice: if you want people to stop giving the thumbs down to so many of your posts, then stop phrasing them as a series of questions. Make a point instead.
He doesnt know how to make a point ...... just chucks abuse around and inane comments
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Show's they're on to much money if they can take an unpaid day off when the Unions order them to. Surely if they're all as poor as they say they are they can't afford unpaid holidays can they? TUC head said it's about the Living wage? So exactly what's the living wage? Would the figure say in Liverpool be okay for a worker in London? Would any worker above the Living wage be willing to take a pay cut so the one's on minimum wages could go to living wage? Would all public sector workers like to be treated as equals to those in the private sector? If they would will they be willing to only get a percentage of their wage as a pension or do they want preferential treatment & get final salary pensions? What vote/ballot was taken for todays action?[/p][/quote]Do some research. The answers to all your questions are easy enough to find. And a word of advice: if you want people to stop giving the thumbs down to so many of your posts, then stop phrasing them as a series of questions. Make a point instead.[/p][/quote]He doesnt know how to make a point ...... just chucks abuse around and inane comments Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 5

8:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension.

Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more.

This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough.

If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not
You've started a post with 'is this correct', and then posted an absolute load of A1 grade baloney. Do some research and get your numbers right.
How do you expect him to get his numbers right ...... He's a Tory who makes it up on the hoof
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension. Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more. This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough. If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not[/p][/quote]You've started a post with 'is this correct', and then posted an absolute load of A1 grade baloney. Do some research and get your numbers right.[/p][/quote]How do you expect him to get his numbers right ...... He's a Tory who makes it up on the hoof Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 6

9:23pm Thu 10 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
Fighting for decent pay and conditions is what trade unions do. Who do you think won the minimum wage? Big business and the Tories claimed it would cripple enterprise. What they meant was they could not exploit workers as much and fill their pockets on the backs of the hard work of employees. Just because you have poor wages and terms, does that mean everyone else should be dragged down to your level?
The Government has just raised the minimum wage but please tell me who will fund these pay rises? Labour are banging on about the Living Wage but are talking about raising taxes & hitting business? so what's the use of higher wages if the companies decide an increase in wages & taxes isn't fair & they all up sticks who's going to start new companies if they're going to get hammered by the government?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)[/p][/quote]Fighting for decent pay and conditions is what trade unions do. Who do you think won the minimum wage? Big business and the Tories claimed it would cripple enterprise. What they meant was they could not exploit workers as much and fill their pockets on the backs of the hard work of employees. Just because you have poor wages and terms, does that mean everyone else should be dragged down to your level?[/p][/quote]The Government has just raised the minimum wage but please tell me who will fund these pay rises? Labour are banging on about the Living Wage but are talking about raising taxes & hitting business? so what's the use of higher wages if the companies decide an increase in wages & taxes isn't fair & they all up sticks who's going to start new companies if they're going to get hammered by the government? loosehead
  • Score: -3

9:25pm Thu 10 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Show's they're on to much money if they can take an unpaid day off when the Unions order them to.
Surely if they're all as poor as they say they are they can't afford unpaid holidays can they?
TUC head said it's about the Living wage? So exactly what's the living wage?
Would the figure say in Liverpool be okay for a worker in London?
Would any worker above the Living wage be willing to take a pay cut so the one's on minimum wages could go to living wage?
Would all public sector workers like to be treated as equals to those in the private sector?
If they would will they be willing to only get a percentage of their wage as a pension or do they want preferential treatment & get final salary pensions?
What vote/ballot was taken for todays action?
Do some research. The answers to all your questions are easy enough to find. And a word of advice: if you want people to stop giving the thumbs down to so many of your posts, then stop phrasing them as a series of questions. Make a point instead.
He doesnt know how to make a point ...... just chucks abuse around and inane comments
You just didn't say that did you?
Have you read any of your posts lately? Pot calling Kettle black.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Show's they're on to much money if they can take an unpaid day off when the Unions order them to. Surely if they're all as poor as they say they are they can't afford unpaid holidays can they? TUC head said it's about the Living wage? So exactly what's the living wage? Would the figure say in Liverpool be okay for a worker in London? Would any worker above the Living wage be willing to take a pay cut so the one's on minimum wages could go to living wage? Would all public sector workers like to be treated as equals to those in the private sector? If they would will they be willing to only get a percentage of their wage as a pension or do they want preferential treatment & get final salary pensions? What vote/ballot was taken for todays action?[/p][/quote]Do some research. The answers to all your questions are easy enough to find. And a word of advice: if you want people to stop giving the thumbs down to so many of your posts, then stop phrasing them as a series of questions. Make a point instead.[/p][/quote]He doesnt know how to make a point ...... just chucks abuse around and inane comments[/p][/quote]You just didn't say that did you? Have you read any of your posts lately? Pot calling Kettle black. loosehead
  • Score: -4

9:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension.

Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more.

This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough.

If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not
You've started a post with 'is this correct', and then posted an absolute load of A1 grade baloney. Do some research and get your numbers right.
How do you expect him to get his numbers right ...... He's a Tory who makes it up on the hoof
Yes so I guess when I voted Labour I got it all wrong as well?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension. Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more. This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough. If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not[/p][/quote]You've started a post with 'is this correct', and then posted an absolute load of A1 grade baloney. Do some research and get your numbers right.[/p][/quote]How do you expect him to get his numbers right ...... He's a Tory who makes it up on the hoof[/p][/quote]Yes so I guess when I voted Labour I got it all wrong as well? loosehead
  • Score: -2

9:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

anti striker says...

what gets me is that they choose to do this job - if they were a private sector and went on strike they would be given their cards - if you dont like your pay/pension then do what the private sector do - GET ANOTHER JOB with better money etc..!!!!! - like some ive seen on here - I couldnt afford a pension until of late im in my early 40's so my pension is going to be rubbish when I get to retire probably around the late 60's if im lucky!!! so count yourselves lucky you have a job, decent pay and have the school holidays off unlike most who work to make ends meet and have to pay and juggle child care to look after their children during a long time when the schools are shut due to holidays, teacher training or strikes!!! makes my blood boil!!!!
what gets me is that they choose to do this job - if they were a private sector and went on strike they would be given their cards - if you dont like your pay/pension then do what the private sector do - GET ANOTHER JOB with better money etc..!!!!! - like some ive seen on here - I couldnt afford a pension until of late im in my early 40's so my pension is going to be rubbish when I get to retire probably around the late 60's if im lucky!!! so count yourselves lucky you have a job, decent pay and have the school holidays off unlike most who work to make ends meet and have to pay and juggle child care to look after their children during a long time when the schools are shut due to holidays, teacher training or strikes!!! makes my blood boil!!!! anti striker
  • Score: 0

10:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

whyalwaysme says...

ToastyTea wrote:
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
Well Toasty perhaps you should have worked harder at school to gain qualifications.....g
one on to college, then on to University to gain a degree while living on hardly any money for three years.

Then find a job in a school no where near where you live...drive a 40 mile round trip EVERY DAY.

Work an extra 2 hours minimum per night and at least 6 to 7 hours at weekends getting ready for the forth coming week`s leasons, all of which you`ll get NO extra pay or overtime for.

Oh and lets not forget the abuse from pupils and parents when all you are trying to do is teach their children the curriculum set by the government....Only for that same government to then kick you in the bolloxs.

NO you wont do all that will ya Toasty mate !!!
But what you WILL do is to come on here and try and get people on your selfpityful side by saying Boo hoo at least you`ve got a job.
well maybe, just maybe things might have been different for ya !!!
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)[/p][/quote]Well Toasty perhaps you should have worked harder at school to gain qualifications.....g one on to college, then on to University to gain a degree while living on hardly any money for three years. Then find a job in a school no where near where you live...drive a 40 mile round trip EVERY DAY. Work an extra 2 hours minimum per night and at least 6 to 7 hours at weekends getting ready for the forth coming week`s leasons, all of which you`ll get NO extra pay or overtime for. Oh and lets not forget the abuse from pupils and parents when all you are trying to do is teach their children the curriculum set by the government....Only for that same government to then kick you in the bolloxs. NO you wont do all that will ya Toasty mate !!! But what you WILL do is to come on here and try and get people on your selfpityful side by saying Boo hoo at least you`ve got a job. well maybe, just maybe things might have been different for ya !!! whyalwaysme
  • Score: 0

10:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

Revolution802 wrote:
Solent Soul wrote:
Revolution802 wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it.
Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!!
How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..
I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs.
But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government..
[quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it. Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!![/p][/quote]How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..[/p][/quote]I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs.[/p][/quote]But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 6

5:34am Fri 11 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Solent Soul wrote:
Revolution802 wrote:
Solent Soul wrote:
Revolution802 wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it.
Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!!
How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..
I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs.
But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government..
Labour had no choice but to bail out the banks or we'd be in a far worse place.
the problem is Labour had already run up a significant drbt.
Labour also had plans to stop final salary pensions in the public sector so it wouldn't have mattered who was in power you'd have faced a similar thing
[quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it. Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!![/p][/quote]How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..[/p][/quote]I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs.[/p][/quote]But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government..[/p][/quote]Labour had no choice but to bail out the banks or we'd be in a far worse place. the problem is Labour had already run up a significant drbt. Labour also had plans to stop final salary pensions in the public sector so it wouldn't have mattered who was in power you'd have faced a similar thing loosehead
  • Score: -1

5:36am Fri 11 Jul 14

loosehead says...

whyalwaysme wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
Well Toasty perhaps you should have worked harder at school to gain qualifications.....g

one on to college, then on to University to gain a degree while living on hardly any money for three years.

Then find a job in a school no where near where you live...drive a 40 mile round trip EVERY DAY.

Work an extra 2 hours minimum per night and at least 6 to 7 hours at weekends getting ready for the forth coming week`s leasons, all of which you`ll get NO extra pay or overtime for.

Oh and lets not forget the abuse from pupils and parents when all you are trying to do is teach their children the curriculum set by the government....Only for that same government to then kick you in the bolloxs.

NO you wont do all that will ya Toasty mate !!!
But what you WILL do is to come on here and try and get people on your selfpityful side by saying Boo hoo at least you`ve got a job.
well maybe, just maybe things might have been different for ya !!!
unlike some lucky people many were like me where I wasn't given the choice of staying on & doing exams but had to leave to work to take money home for the family
[quote][p][bold]whyalwaysme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)[/p][/quote]Well Toasty perhaps you should have worked harder at school to gain qualifications.....g one on to college, then on to University to gain a degree while living on hardly any money for three years. Then find a job in a school no where near where you live...drive a 40 mile round trip EVERY DAY. Work an extra 2 hours minimum per night and at least 6 to 7 hours at weekends getting ready for the forth coming week`s leasons, all of which you`ll get NO extra pay or overtime for. Oh and lets not forget the abuse from pupils and parents when all you are trying to do is teach their children the curriculum set by the government....Only for that same government to then kick you in the bolloxs. NO you wont do all that will ya Toasty mate !!! But what you WILL do is to come on here and try and get people on your selfpityful side by saying Boo hoo at least you`ve got a job. well maybe, just maybe things might have been different for ya !!![/p][/quote]unlike some lucky people many were like me where I wasn't given the choice of staying on & doing exams but had to leave to work to take money home for the family loosehead
  • Score: -1

8:15am Fri 11 Jul 14

SFC-Matt says...

southy wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
Lazy wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
Don't be so stupid. Absurd
try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector
I guarantee I work more hours than any teacher in the country. Yet I do not get any pension and I have had no pay rise for 3 years.
Can you not see why this strike is very irritating for private sector workers?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also[/p][/quote]Don't be so stupid. Absurd[/p][/quote]try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector[/p][/quote]I guarantee I work more hours than any teacher in the country. Yet I do not get any pension and I have had no pay rise for 3 years. Can you not see why this strike is very irritating for private sector workers? SFC-Matt
  • Score: 2

8:22am Fri 11 Jul 14

Revolution802 says...

whyalwaysme wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
Well Toasty perhaps you should have worked harder at school to gain qualifications.....g

one on to college, then on to University to gain a degree while living on hardly any money for three years.

Then find a job in a school no where near where you live...drive a 40 mile round trip EVERY DAY.

Work an extra 2 hours minimum per night and at least 6 to 7 hours at weekends getting ready for the forth coming week`s leasons, all of which you`ll get NO extra pay or overtime for.

Oh and lets not forget the abuse from pupils and parents when all you are trying to do is teach their children the curriculum set by the government....Only for that same government to then kick you in the bolloxs.

NO you wont do all that will ya Toasty mate !!!
But what you WILL do is to come on here and try and get people on your selfpityful side by saying Boo hoo at least you`ve got a job.
well maybe, just maybe things might have been different for ya !!!
My heart bleeds, I do have a degree from a well known University and work 8 hours daily in the office then whilst at home still take phone calls and respond to emails. How dare you try and belittle people with out education, there are many reasons why people cant go to Uni. Most of these people work very hard, I know a few people without GCSE's who are directors of companies earning over £160k. I respect what teachers do on a daily basis but to flip your comment, if you were a better teacher in a better school you wouldn't need to deal with abuse from pupils and parents on a regular basis.
[quote][p][bold]whyalwaysme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)[/p][/quote]Well Toasty perhaps you should have worked harder at school to gain qualifications.....g one on to college, then on to University to gain a degree while living on hardly any money for three years. Then find a job in a school no where near where you live...drive a 40 mile round trip EVERY DAY. Work an extra 2 hours minimum per night and at least 6 to 7 hours at weekends getting ready for the forth coming week`s leasons, all of which you`ll get NO extra pay or overtime for. Oh and lets not forget the abuse from pupils and parents when all you are trying to do is teach their children the curriculum set by the government....Only for that same government to then kick you in the bolloxs. NO you wont do all that will ya Toasty mate !!! But what you WILL do is to come on here and try and get people on your selfpityful side by saying Boo hoo at least you`ve got a job. well maybe, just maybe things might have been different for ya !!![/p][/quote]My heart bleeds, I do have a degree from a well known University and work 8 hours daily in the office then whilst at home still take phone calls and respond to emails. How dare you try and belittle people with out education, there are many reasons why people cant go to Uni. Most of these people work very hard, I know a few people without GCSE's who are directors of companies earning over £160k. I respect what teachers do on a daily basis but to flip your comment, if you were a better teacher in a better school you wouldn't need to deal with abuse from pupils and parents on a regular basis. Revolution802
  • Score: -2

8:26am Fri 11 Jul 14

Revolution802 says...

Revolution802 wrote:
whyalwaysme wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)
Well Toasty perhaps you should have worked harder at school to gain qualifications.....g


one on to college, then on to University to gain a degree while living on hardly any money for three years.

Then find a job in a school no where near where you live...drive a 40 mile round trip EVERY DAY.

Work an extra 2 hours minimum per night and at least 6 to 7 hours at weekends getting ready for the forth coming week`s leasons, all of which you`ll get NO extra pay or overtime for.

Oh and lets not forget the abuse from pupils and parents when all you are trying to do is teach their children the curriculum set by the government....Only for that same government to then kick you in the bolloxs.

NO you wont do all that will ya Toasty mate !!!
But what you WILL do is to come on here and try and get people on your selfpityful side by saying Boo hoo at least you`ve got a job.
well maybe, just maybe things might have been different for ya !!!
My heart bleeds, I do have a degree from a well known University and work 8 hours daily in the office then whilst at home still take phone calls and respond to emails. How dare you try and belittle people with out education, there are many reasons why people cant go to Uni. Most of these people work very hard, I know a few people without GCSE's who are directors of companies earning over £160k. I respect what teachers do on a daily basis but to flip your comment, if you were a better teacher in a better school you wouldn't need to deal with abuse from pupils and parents on a regular basis.
Oh I forgot to mention, maybe manage your time better!!!
[quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whyalwaysme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: oh boo hoo be thankful you have a job (and one with decent pay and holiday unlike some of us)[/p][/quote]Well Toasty perhaps you should have worked harder at school to gain qualifications.....g one on to college, then on to University to gain a degree while living on hardly any money for three years. Then find a job in a school no where near where you live...drive a 40 mile round trip EVERY DAY. Work an extra 2 hours minimum per night and at least 6 to 7 hours at weekends getting ready for the forth coming week`s leasons, all of which you`ll get NO extra pay or overtime for. Oh and lets not forget the abuse from pupils and parents when all you are trying to do is teach their children the curriculum set by the government....Only for that same government to then kick you in the bolloxs. NO you wont do all that will ya Toasty mate !!! But what you WILL do is to come on here and try and get people on your selfpityful side by saying Boo hoo at least you`ve got a job. well maybe, just maybe things might have been different for ya !!![/p][/quote]My heart bleeds, I do have a degree from a well known University and work 8 hours daily in the office then whilst at home still take phone calls and respond to emails. How dare you try and belittle people with out education, there are many reasons why people cant go to Uni. Most of these people work very hard, I know a few people without GCSE's who are directors of companies earning over £160k. I respect what teachers do on a daily basis but to flip your comment, if you were a better teacher in a better school you wouldn't need to deal with abuse from pupils and parents on a regular basis.[/p][/quote]Oh I forgot to mention, maybe manage your time better!!! Revolution802
  • Score: 1

8:34am Fri 11 Jul 14

Maine Lobster says...

katethelaundyygirl wrote:
footballfan123 wrote:
MP's THE people who have decided to award hard workers with a pathetic 1% are being given a pay rise of 11%. So politicians, who have never worked as a teachers or firefighters etc set the rules for them whilst they themselves have much bigger pay rises and better working conditions. As for GOVE, well again on his mega salary and huge increase, he decides that teachers be paid according to their performance! Well isn't that ironic! His performance is terrible yet he gets a huge pay rise! Wake up people!!!! My partner is a teacher. She works every evening, every weekend, it causes issues in our relationship because she is so tired and it is not her fault. She works over 60 hours a week to be told that she is not good enough because the children living in flats with 6 other siblings are not making enough progress. When she makes them work harder, a parent arrives with their vicious dog to scare her. So Gove says pay her less while he gets 11% and free train travel etc. Gove go and be a teacher in an inner city school! Go and be a fire fighter at 70 years old carry someone from a burning building. These strikes are necessary!
I really struggled to read that.
Night school literacy classes are available.
[quote][p][bold]katethelaundyygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote: MP's THE people who have decided to award hard workers with a pathetic 1% are being given a pay rise of 11%. So politicians, who have never worked as a teachers or firefighters etc set the rules for them whilst they themselves have much bigger pay rises and better working conditions. As for GOVE, well again on his mega salary and huge increase, he decides that teachers be paid according to their performance! Well isn't that ironic! His performance is terrible yet he gets a huge pay rise! Wake up people!!!! My partner is a teacher. She works every evening, every weekend, it causes issues in our relationship because she is so tired and it is not her fault. She works over 60 hours a week to be told that she is not good enough because the children living in flats with 6 other siblings are not making enough progress. When she makes them work harder, a parent arrives with their vicious dog to scare her. So Gove says pay her less while he gets 11% and free train travel etc. Gove go and be a teacher in an inner city school! Go and be a fire fighter at 70 years old carry someone from a burning building. These strikes are necessary![/p][/quote]I really struggled to read that.[/p][/quote]Night school literacy classes are available. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 4

8:36am Fri 11 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

"But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government"
A welcome reminder of how bad things had got in the dying days of the chaos 1997-2010. Not only had Brown ignored the fact that public spending was as out of control as immigration, he then, as a political yah boo sucks move raised a tax rate on a mobile group so that, as he knew (although he'd never done a job other than teacher in a 6th Form College, he did have an academic grasp of economics) the tax "take" would fall and the tax would have to be rationalised. Then all the "workers' party" could roll round making farmyard noises. What a disaster- and people are going to vote for Miliband/Brown Part 2 ? Beyond belief.
"But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government" A welcome reminder of how bad things had got in the dying days of the chaos 1997-2010. Not only had Brown ignored the fact that public spending was as out of control as immigration, he then, as a political yah boo sucks move raised a tax rate on a mobile group so that, as he knew (although he'd never done a job other than teacher in a 6th Form College, he did have an academic grasp of economics) the tax "take" would fall and the tax would have to be rationalised. Then all the "workers' party" could roll round making farmyard noises. What a disaster- and people are going to vote for Miliband/Brown Part 2 ? Beyond belief. Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

9:09am Fri 11 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
Lazy wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
Don't be so stupid. Absurd
try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector
I guarantee I work more hours than any teacher in the country. Yet I do not get any pension and I have had no pay rise for 3 years.
Can you not see why this strike is very irritating for private sector workers?
Get a job as a teacher then ..... they are crying out for them
[quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also[/p][/quote]Don't be so stupid. Absurd[/p][/quote]try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector[/p][/quote]I guarantee I work more hours than any teacher in the country. Yet I do not get any pension and I have had no pay rise for 3 years. Can you not see why this strike is very irritating for private sector workers?[/p][/quote]Get a job as a teacher then ..... they are crying out for them Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

10:11am Fri 11 Jul 14

thesouth says...

Lazy wrote:
365 days in a year

- weekends = 104
- February half term = 9
- Easter holidays = 14
- Summer half term = 8
- Summer holidays = 40
- October half term = 9
- Christmas and New Year holidays = 16
- Snow days = 6 (Average)
- Teacher Training Days = 7 (average)

Total days Worked = 152

And they want more money ?!?!?!
What you quoted is childrens days off school, not teachers days off work. When the teachers are in the classroom, that's not their only working hours, that's just part of it. Just like stage actors spend months rehearsing, just for a few days on stage.
[quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]What you quoted is childrens days off school, not teachers days off work. When the teachers are in the classroom, that's not their only working hours, that's just part of it. Just like stage actors spend months rehearsing, just for a few days on stage. thesouth
  • Score: -1

10:15am Fri 11 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote:
southy wrote:
Lazy wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?!
- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also
Don't be so stupid. Absurd
try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector
I guarantee I work more hours than any teacher in the country. Yet I do not get any pension and I have had no pay rise for 3 years.
Can you not see why this strike is very irritating for private sector workers?
No one is stopping you, go & get a pension then. I don't have to be in the works scheme, it was a conscious choice based on a need to provide for my retirement & help with my families financial future, to be less of a burden on the state.. Just under 15% of my wages go towards it, that's not far off £500 pcm, I also pay for a mortgage, so in the future I hopefully won't be as much of a burden on the state.. I think there are some reasonable private sector workers who will understand..
[quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: 365 days in a year - weekends = 104 - February half term = 9 - Easter holidays = 14 - Summer half term = 8 - Summer holidays = 40 - October half term = 9 - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 - Snow days = 6 (Average) - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) Total days Worked = 152 And they want more money ?!?!?![/p][/quote]- weekends = 104 ---- is Worked - February half term = 9 --- is Worked - Easter holidays = 14 ----- 12 days are work and some cases the other 2 days are also work - Summer half term = 8------ is worked - Summer holidays = 40----- is worked if lucky and they find they have spare time they might be able to get a few weeks hoilday - October half term = 9 ------ is worked - Christmas and New Year holidays = 16 ---- 13 days is worked - Snow days = 6 (Average) ------- even when not able to get into work, it still means they will have work to catch up on - Teacher Training Days = 7 (average) --- its training so that is work also[/p][/quote]Don't be so stupid. Absurd[/p][/quote]try doing the job and find out how much they really work, its a misconception in thinking that there work is only school hours it is not, they are only paid for school hours but because how much work as to be done like marking books, test etc and having to set up each lession before hand they dont get the time off like people such as your self think they do, a working day for a teacher starts before they even get to the school and carrys on well after they have left to school to go home, finishing at 11pm every night is not odd its the norm, working all weekend setting up the weeks lession is the norm, half term setting up each lession for the next term is the norm, Teachers get less time off than any one in the private sector[/p][/quote]I guarantee I work more hours than any teacher in the country. Yet I do not get any pension and I have had no pay rise for 3 years. Can you not see why this strike is very irritating for private sector workers?[/p][/quote]No one is stopping you, go & get a pension then. I don't have to be in the works scheme, it was a conscious choice based on a need to provide for my retirement & help with my families financial future, to be less of a burden on the state.. Just under 15% of my wages go towards it, that's not far off £500 pcm, I also pay for a mortgage, so in the future I hopefully won't be as much of a burden on the state.. I think there are some reasonable private sector workers who will understand.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 2

11:02am Fri 11 Jul 14

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
This is not just teachers it a total public service 1 day national strike and the indications are that its the biggest public service strike sence 1926 General Strike.
Over the past week you have said that people should not bother about the economy "because it's not theirs", you told me that Southampton should not concern me because I don't live there.

Well, being as you don't work.... employment matters need not concern you !
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This is not just teachers it a total public service 1 day national strike and the indications are that its the biggest public service strike sence 1926 General Strike.[/p][/quote]Over the past week you have said that people should not bother about the economy "because it's not theirs", you told me that Southampton should not concern me because I don't live there. Well, being as you don't work.... employment matters need not concern you ! Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 4

12:19pm Fri 11 Jul 14

camerajuan says...

Parrotgone wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather!
I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?
Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported.
Same week as my graduation. Extremely surprised that it was bright with no wind or rain all week.

Still, to reiterate my point on the other story, If I was on a teacher's salary, and had summer off, I would be too ashamed to strike.
Starting pay for teachers is below the national average wage (which is it's self shamefully low) and, like other public sector workers, they have had an approximate 16% real term reduction in pay in recent years, with the government on the eve of this strike talking about below inflation pay rises in the public sector extending to 2018 - pronouncements that certainly weren't intended to forestall any industrial action.
Whatever it is compared to the national average is irrelevant. That is so high because of all the corrupt overpaid monkeys in London. Remove London salaries and people's who commute there from the national average wage and watch it drop.

Give me a job which pays me £21K and gives me the summer off and I'll be on £5K more than I am now and I can do what I like for August & some of September - better deal for me! I would be ashamed to strike as I want more. I have a degree and haven't been successful in pursuing a career in my field. If I had been, I'd be earning more than I am now and I wouldn't have the summer off.

Shame on those striking for better pay when there are so many who are on less, work just as hard and would have to take all of their holidays for the year to get summer off.
[quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather![/p][/quote]I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?[/p][/quote]Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported.[/p][/quote]Same week as my graduation. Extremely surprised that it was bright with no wind or rain all week. Still, to reiterate my point on the other story, If I was on a teacher's salary, and had summer off, I would be too ashamed to strike.[/p][/quote]Starting pay for teachers is below the national average wage (which is it's self shamefully low) and, like other public sector workers, they have had an approximate 16% real term reduction in pay in recent years, with the government on the eve of this strike talking about below inflation pay rises in the public sector extending to 2018 - pronouncements that certainly weren't intended to forestall any industrial action.[/p][/quote]Whatever it is compared to the national average is irrelevant. That is so high because of all the corrupt overpaid monkeys in London. Remove London salaries and people's who commute there from the national average wage and watch it drop. Give me a job which pays me £21K and gives me the summer off and I'll be on £5K more than I am now and I can do what I like for August & some of September - better deal for me! I would be ashamed to strike as I want more. I have a degree and haven't been successful in pursuing a career in my field. If I had been, I'd be earning more than I am now and I wouldn't have the summer off. Shame on those striking for better pay when there are so many who are on less, work just as hard and would have to take all of their holidays for the year to get summer off. camerajuan
  • Score: -1

2:21pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Balsamic says...

Parrotgone wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather!
I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?
Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported.
Same week as my graduation. Extremely surprised that it was bright with no wind or rain all week.

Still, to reiterate my point on the other story, If I was on a teacher's salary, and had summer off, I would be too ashamed to strike.
Starting pay for teachers is below the national average wage (which is it's self shamefully low) and, like other public sector workers, they have had an approximate 16% real term reduction in pay in recent years, with the government on the eve of this strike talking about below inflation pay rises in the public sector extending to 2018 - pronouncements that certainly weren't intended to forestall any industrial action.
We'll get a job in the private sector, oh yes forgot ,you would have to work and be expected to show the results of your work and objectives.
Apart from nurses ,SOME teachers and social care workers who do deserve a pay rise ,I have no sympathy.
If there were systems in place to realistically report on your individual performance ,you could be paid on your results.
The problem there is you would probably strike again complaining that it's unfair .
[quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Bless em, hope they used sun cream today it's been gorgeous weather![/p][/quote]I wonder if they would have had the same turn out in January ?[/p][/quote]Last national public sector strikes of local government workers were in November 2011 and were similarly well supported.[/p][/quote]Same week as my graduation. Extremely surprised that it was bright with no wind or rain all week. Still, to reiterate my point on the other story, If I was on a teacher's salary, and had summer off, I would be too ashamed to strike.[/p][/quote]Starting pay for teachers is below the national average wage (which is it's self shamefully low) and, like other public sector workers, they have had an approximate 16% real term reduction in pay in recent years, with the government on the eve of this strike talking about below inflation pay rises in the public sector extending to 2018 - pronouncements that certainly weren't intended to forestall any industrial action.[/p][/quote]We'll get a job in the private sector, oh yes forgot ,you would have to work and be expected to show the results of your work and objectives. Apart from nurses ,SOME teachers and social care workers who do deserve a pay rise ,I have no sympathy. If there were systems in place to realistically report on your individual performance ,you could be paid on your results. The problem there is you would probably strike again complaining that it's unfair . Balsamic
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6:15pm Fri 11 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Solent Soul wrote:
Revolution802 wrote:
Solent Soul wrote:
Revolution802 wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it.
Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!!
How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..
I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs.
But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government..
But they raised the top rate of tax from 40p in the pound under Labour & now they're reducing it to 45p in the pound so how can you blame them for feathering the rich peoples nests when Labour let them pay even less tax?
I think you'll find many Tory MP's are giving this increase to charity as they have under the law no right to refuse the commissions decisions.
This would be all MP's of all parties that received this amount not just the Government.
On bailing the banks out what? you'd rather have seen them go belly up?
As I've said before take away the bail out money from the national debt then see how bad Labour were at running the economy & ask your self if you'd or any sane person wants Labour back into power?
[quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it. Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!![/p][/quote]How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..[/p][/quote]I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs.[/p][/quote]But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government..[/p][/quote]But they raised the top rate of tax from 40p in the pound under Labour & now they're reducing it to 45p in the pound so how can you blame them for feathering the rich peoples nests when Labour let them pay even less tax? I think you'll find many Tory MP's are giving this increase to charity as they have under the law no right to refuse the commissions decisions. This would be all MP's of all parties that received this amount not just the Government. On bailing the banks out what? you'd rather have seen them go belly up? As I've said before take away the bail out money from the national debt then see how bad Labour were at running the economy & ask your self if you'd or any sane person wants Labour back into power? loosehead
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6:16pm Fri 11 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Solent Soul wrote:
Revolution802 wrote:
Solent Soul wrote:
Revolution802 wrote:
Parrotgone wrote:
Tallship wrote:
This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result.

The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.
The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't.

As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.
OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it.
Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!!
How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..
I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs.
But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government..
Didn't Ed Milliband say at the TUC that Labour would have had to hit the Public sector especially pensions?
[quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Revolution802[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parrotgone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: This strike, like any strike, is a waste of time. They will not get anything as a result. The parents of pupils suffer as they may need to arrange child-care or take the day off from thier work.[/p][/quote]The previous strikes over reform of public service pensions saw remarkably concessions by government, and for public sector workers a much better / fairer settlement than they were originally offered. So, it's inaccurate to say that strikes never achieve anything , nor even that strikes by public sector workers under this current government don't. As for schools - they exist to provide education, not childcare. If we value education then presumably we should also value those who provide it, and reward them accordingly.[/p][/quote]OMG, Parrotgone you really need to get off your high horse. I used to serve on the front line and had to just get on with the job that needed to be done, we didn't get a say in pay or pensions and we most certainly never strike. You are working in the public sector knowing your job, pay and consequences so just get on with it. Teachers, understand that you are taking away a full day of children's education , strike during the weekends when it doesn't effect working parents!!![/p][/quote]How much did you contribute towards you're public sector pension then, well if it was the armed forces then that would be zero. I am fully supportive of our girls & boys on the front line, but you know when you sign up what you are letting yourself in for, jump & you shout how high! A teacher's job looks glossy from the outside but scrape the surface & it's apparent it involves a huge amount of work, commitment & enthusiasm! I would rather have my child's education conducted by those who are being looked after with concerns actioned on. I want my kid to come out of school with a good grounding for future life..[/p][/quote]I wish its was as simple as jump and how high? I'm not saying teachers jobs are glossy but what job is, I now work in the private sector and notice the difference in how they work, teachers also signed up knowing what your getting into and you even have the opportunity to study and take your time knowing what your getting yourself into. Man up and get on with your jobs, if you don't like it then stop your B****ing and change jobs.[/p][/quote]But that's the whole point, the government are changing what we agreed & signed up to, whist they accept a whopping 11% pay & pension hike, bail out the banks with the publics money, reduce the top tier rate of tax so they can be even more wealthy.. I can't see why any working person would support this government..[/p][/quote]Didn't Ed Milliband say at the TUC that Labour would have had to hit the Public sector especially pensions? loosehead
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2:39pm Sat 12 Jul 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension.

Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more.

This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough.

If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not
You've started a post with 'is this correct', and then posted an absolute load of A1 grade baloney. Do some research and get your numbers right.
How do you expect him to get his numbers right ...... He's a Tory who makes it up on the hoof
Yes so I guess when I voted Labour I got it all wrong as well?
There is a saying - 'even the blind chicken occasionally pecks some corn'.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Is this correct, the ordinary worker ( works 40 years) gets a pension say £5000 per year + state pension. Teacher head of department who ( works 40 years ) gets a pension of £40000 ?and says it is not enough and strikes for more. This sounds a bit like the doctors that I think said £70000 was not enough. If these figures are correct have they got a fair case.I think not[/p][/quote]You've started a post with 'is this correct', and then posted an absolute load of A1 grade baloney. Do some research and get your numbers right.[/p][/quote]How do you expect him to get his numbers right ...... He's a Tory who makes it up on the hoof[/p][/quote]Yes so I guess when I voted Labour I got it all wrong as well?[/p][/quote]There is a saying - 'even the blind chicken occasionally pecks some corn'. WalkingOnAWire
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