City's £3 billion vision for future regeneration

City's £3 billion vision for future regeneration

An artist's impression of the Royal Pier plans.

An artist's impression of the Watermark WestQuay plans.

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BUSINESS leaders gathered at the home of Hampshire cricket to hear about the £3 billion plan to regenerate Southampton.

Southampton-based commercial real estate and investments giant CBRE held its annual briefing event at the Ageas Bowl yesterday.

Southampton City Council’s director of place, Stuart Love, was the guest speaker and he gave assembled business figures an update on the city’s masterplan.

Mr Love, who is in charge of economic development, planning and the environment at the council, said the major plans could eventually see £3 billion of investment poured into the city, and 7,000 jobs created in the next eight years.

Among the sites he highlighted were the £450m Royal Pier development, which could eventually see Southampton’s waterfront transformed into a complex featuring a super-casino, bars, restaurants, homes and a new Mayflower Park.

A planning application is likely to be handed in early next year.

He also spoke about the Watermark WestQuay development, which was given planning permission last year, and features a luxury cinema, leisure and retail outlets, bars and restaurants.

Other key areas of the masterplan coming to fruition in the coming years include the £40m arts complex, bars, restaurants and flats complex in Guildhall Square, which is midway through construction and expected to open in early 2016.

He also said work to build the high-end Harbour Hotel at Ocean Village will begin later this year, that 44 homes, retail and food outlets at the former Fruit and Vegetable Market site will be completed later this year, and that work has recently begun on a £30m teaching hub at Southampton Solent University.

He said: “Two years ago, Southampton City Council laid out its vision for the city in its city centre masterplan. This vision included £3 billion of investment by 2030, and 7,000 jobs by 2026.

“This vision is becoming a reality, with £1.5 billion in investment already committed.

“Southampton presently has around 50 restaurant, café and bar occupier opportunities in a variety of sites across the city, including those within the city centre Cultural Quarter, the city’s newly approved leisure hub at Watermark WestQuay, and many sites overlooking the waterfront, with many already let or under offer.

“Our city sees more than 400 cruise ships visit over the course of a year, and with two excellent universities, a population of nearly quarter of a million, and with 3.5 million people living within an hour’s drive, the footfall and opportunities for occupiers are excellent.”

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11:11am Wed 16 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Awesome!!
Awesome!! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 7

11:14am Wed 16 Jul 14

Leftist says...

Believe it when we see it. Most likely a watered down plan will be built, and overrun by years and over budget by millions , subcontractors will make a fortune, you know the drill, privatise the gains socialise the losses etc etc.

In Spain and the Middle East and many other ports that cruise ships use, the tourists have to pay a tourist tax and extra tax on gambling and alcohol served while the ship is docked. Just imagine if every one of these people who go on the ships had to pay £30 or so. The rich fools who go on these ships could certainly afford it if they can pay £3000 to go on these polluting ugly ' troop carriers of capitalism' This would be a good earning for the city, and make some contribution against poverty and unemployment. But oh no that would be socialism and like it is in the USA, that is a swear word. Keep the poor poor and rich rich as the now almost forgotten verse of ''All things bright and beautiful' goes-

All things bright and beautiful
All creatures great and small,
The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
Lord made them high and lowly,
And gave them their estate.

Long live anti capitalism and the global revolution! Solidarity with Gaza and Donetsk, and stand up for your rights to fair employment and welfare.
Believe it when we see it. Most likely a watered down plan will be built, and overrun by years and over budget by millions , subcontractors will make a fortune, you know the drill, privatise the gains socialise the losses etc etc. In Spain and the Middle East and many other ports that cruise ships use, the tourists have to pay a tourist tax and extra tax on gambling and alcohol served while the ship is docked. Just imagine if every one of these people who go on the ships had to pay £30 or so. The rich fools who go on these ships could certainly afford it if they can pay £3000 to go on these polluting ugly ' troop carriers of capitalism' This would be a good earning for the city, and make some contribution against poverty and unemployment. But oh no that would be socialism and like it is in the USA, that is a swear word. Keep the poor poor and rich rich as the now almost forgotten verse of ''All things bright and beautiful' goes- All things bright and beautiful All creatures great and small, The rich man in his castle, The poor man at his gate, Lord made them high and lowly, And gave them their estate. Long live anti capitalism and the global revolution! Solidarity with Gaza and Donetsk, and stand up for your rights to fair employment and welfare. Leftist
  • Score: -16

11:19am Wed 16 Jul 14

commonsence says...

Great , and almost everything will be priced out of the pockets of the low paid working people of Southampton and the surrounding areas . The Rents of the homes will be sky high and the price of buying a property will also be beyond what ( locals ) can afford . 7,000 jobs by 2026 wow , jobs are needed now and a decent wage to go with the jobs .
Great , and almost everything will be priced out of the pockets of the low paid working people of Southampton and the surrounding areas . The Rents of the homes will be sky high and the price of buying a property will also be beyond what ( locals ) can afford . 7,000 jobs by 2026 wow , jobs are needed now and a decent wage to go with the jobs . commonsence
  • Score: -10

11:51am Wed 16 Jul 14

Mr E says...

Quote '3.5 million people living within an hour’s drive' at the same time as other articles are reporting that the Council is spending 3 Million pounds to implement a number of schemes to reduce traffic

Not exactly Joined up thinking is it ?
Quote '3.5 million people living within an hour’s drive' at the same time as other articles are reporting that the Council is spending 3 Million pounds to implement a number of schemes to reduce traffic Not exactly Joined up thinking is it ? Mr E
  • Score: 6

11:59am Wed 16 Jul 14

sotonboy84 says...

Stuart Love says...

“Two years ago, Southampton City Council laid out its vision for the city in its city centre masterplan. This vision included £3 billion of investment by 2030, and 7,000 jobs by 2026."

“This vision is becoming a reality, with £1.5 billion in investment already committed."

The thing to remember is the current proposed investment and development in the city is many years of work by successive council's, i.e. not all done in the past three years by the current council as Mr Love suggests.
Stuart Love says... “Two years ago, Southampton City Council laid out its vision for the city in its city centre masterplan. This vision included £3 billion of investment by 2030, and 7,000 jobs by 2026." “This vision is becoming a reality, with £1.5 billion in investment already committed." The thing to remember is the current proposed investment and development in the city is many years of work by successive council's, i.e. not all done in the past three years by the current council as Mr Love suggests. sotonboy84
  • Score: 7

12:00pm Wed 16 Jul 14

southy says...

You know what will happen if allowed to happen, in time the Boat show will go as people will not want to come to it as it will be just another dry land boat show like Earls Court, and then they will build on the reclaim land and blocking off the public to the water front.

If I had the money I would keep Mayflower Park boundrys as they are, rebuild the Royal pier and make that bulge wider put a hall for multi use and at the end of the jetty let the Jubilee Trust moor there Tall ships.
You know what will happen if allowed to happen, in time the Boat show will go as people will not want to come to it as it will be just another dry land boat show like Earls Court, and then they will build on the reclaim land and blocking off the public to the water front. If I had the money I would keep Mayflower Park boundrys as they are, rebuild the Royal pier and make that bulge wider put a hall for multi use and at the end of the jetty let the Jubilee Trust moor there Tall ships. southy
  • Score: 4

12:02pm Wed 16 Jul 14

southy says...

The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here southy
  • Score: 6

12:13pm Wed 16 Jul 14

southy says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Stuart Love says...

“Two years ago, Southampton City Council laid out its vision for the city in its city centre masterplan. This vision included £3 billion of investment by 2030, and 7,000 jobs by 2026."

“This vision is becoming a reality, with £1.5 billion in investment already committed."

The thing to remember is the current proposed investment and development in the city is many years of work by successive council's, i.e. not all done in the past three years by the current council as Mr Love suggests.
Have you ever read up on what the people on the Island said about him after 7 years of putting up with Stuart Love, they was glad to get rid of him and they don't want him back, they say he distroyed any thing really good that the Island had to offer, Mister Love ideas are just for business and never for the locals
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: Stuart Love says... “Two years ago, Southampton City Council laid out its vision for the city in its city centre masterplan. This vision included £3 billion of investment by 2030, and 7,000 jobs by 2026." “This vision is becoming a reality, with £1.5 billion in investment already committed." The thing to remember is the current proposed investment and development in the city is many years of work by successive council's, i.e. not all done in the past three years by the current council as Mr Love suggests.[/p][/quote]Have you ever read up on what the people on the Island said about him after 7 years of putting up with Stuart Love, they was glad to get rid of him and they don't want him back, they say he distroyed any thing really good that the Island had to offer, Mister Love ideas are just for business and never for the locals southy
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Wed 16 Jul 14

WoolstonSean says...

southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans.
So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans. So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons. WoolstonSean
  • Score: 5

12:43pm Wed 16 Jul 14

southy says...

WoolstonSean wrote:
southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans.
So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.
This is for the whole city so there should be meeting all over the city in each council ward it should not be 1 small hall in an cherry pick area.
[quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans. So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]This is for the whole city so there should be meeting all over the city in each council ward it should not be 1 small hall in an cherry pick area. southy
  • Score: 0

12:49pm Wed 16 Jul 14

sotonboy84 says...

WoolstonSean wrote:
southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans.
So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.
I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare.

Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.
[quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans. So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare. Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Wed 16 Jul 14

southy says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
WoolstonSean wrote:
southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans.
So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.
I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare.

Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.
They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans. So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare. Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.[/p][/quote]They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation. southy
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WoolstonSean wrote:
southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans.
So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.
I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare.

Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.
They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.
If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! .......
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans. So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare. Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.[/p][/quote]They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.[/p][/quote]If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! ....... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

2:56pm Wed 16 Jul 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WoolstonSean wrote:
southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans.
So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.
I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare.

Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.
They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.
If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! .......
Its a future white elephant lone, what they want is not for the people of Southampton to use, this all about bring in a few people from the out side.
I hear it was less than the local concern at Test field (what use to be part of the park) meeting at the Ship Inn.
There is nearly a 1/4 of million people in Southampton and every one of them should have a say in this matter, How many people knew of this meeting and how many could turn up to air there veiws,
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans. So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare. Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.[/p][/quote]They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.[/p][/quote]If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! .......[/p][/quote]Its a future white elephant lone, what they want is not for the people of Southampton to use, this all about bring in a few people from the out side. I hear it was less than the local concern at Test field (what use to be part of the park) meeting at the Ship Inn. There is nearly a 1/4 of million people in Southampton and every one of them should have a say in this matter, How many people knew of this meeting and how many could turn up to air there veiws, southy
  • Score: 3

3:30pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WoolstonSean wrote:
southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans.
So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.
I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare.

Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.
They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.
If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! .......
Its a future white elephant lone, what they want is not for the people of Southampton to use, this all about bring in a few people from the out side.
I hear it was less than the local concern at Test field (what use to be part of the park) meeting at the Ship Inn.
There is nearly a 1/4 of million people in Southampton and every one of them should have a say in this matter, How many people knew of this meeting and how many could turn up to air there veiws,
They want everyone to use it Southy ...... yes even people from the "outside" ....... The number of people in Southampton alone is of course no where near enough to sustain it you need numbers from all over the place be that British or Foreign ..
.
How can you make people have a "say" .... if the dont want to turn out or cant .. what can you do ....... you cant even get people to vote on who runs the country ...... people nowadays have different priorities ....... and they dont include a listening to a buch of Councillors or Developers trying to make a developement ( Redbridge or Town) look exciting
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans. So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare. Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.[/p][/quote]They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.[/p][/quote]If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! .......[/p][/quote]Its a future white elephant lone, what they want is not for the people of Southampton to use, this all about bring in a few people from the out side. I hear it was less than the local concern at Test field (what use to be part of the park) meeting at the Ship Inn. There is nearly a 1/4 of million people in Southampton and every one of them should have a say in this matter, How many people knew of this meeting and how many could turn up to air there veiws,[/p][/quote]They want everyone to use it Southy ...... yes even people from the "outside" ....... The number of people in Southampton alone is of course no where near enough to sustain it you need numbers from all over the place be that British or Foreign .. . How can you make people have a "say" .... if the dont want to turn out or cant .. what can you do ....... you cant even get people to vote on who runs the country ...... people nowadays have different priorities ....... and they dont include a listening to a buch of Councillors or Developers trying to make a developement ( Redbridge or Town) look exciting Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Wed 16 Jul 14

good-gosh says...

Don’t forget a car park 5,000 cars so we can all get in. WQ gets full at times.
Don’t forget a car park 5,000 cars so we can all get in. WQ gets full at times. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Wed 16 Jul 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WoolstonSean wrote:
southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans.
So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.
I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare.

Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.
They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.
If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! .......
Its a future white elephant lone, what they want is not for the people of Southampton to use, this all about bring in a few people from the out side.
I hear it was less than the local concern at Test field (what use to be part of the park) meeting at the Ship Inn.
There is nearly a 1/4 of million people in Southampton and every one of them should have a say in this matter, How many people knew of this meeting and how many could turn up to air there veiws,
They want everyone to use it Southy ...... yes even people from the "outside" ....... The number of people in Southampton alone is of course no where near enough to sustain it you need numbers from all over the place be that British or Foreign ..
.
How can you make people have a "say" .... if the dont want to turn out or cant .. what can you do ....... you cant even get people to vote on who runs the country ...... people nowadays have different priorities ....... and they dont include a listening to a buch of Councillors or Developers trying to make a developement ( Redbridge or Town) look exciting
This is not for the local people there is no intension to cater for the local people, This all about developers making money at the cost of the locals for out siders to benefit.
People have been driven to the state that they are in now over the last 35 years, where they are no longer interested because they know that they no longer count and what ever they have to say go's unnotice or what they want they will not get. Its a case now people are being told what they want and its not the same as what they need
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans. So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare. Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.[/p][/quote]They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.[/p][/quote]If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! .......[/p][/quote]Its a future white elephant lone, what they want is not for the people of Southampton to use, this all about bring in a few people from the out side. I hear it was less than the local concern at Test field (what use to be part of the park) meeting at the Ship Inn. There is nearly a 1/4 of million people in Southampton and every one of them should have a say in this matter, How many people knew of this meeting and how many could turn up to air there veiws,[/p][/quote]They want everyone to use it Southy ...... yes even people from the "outside" ....... The number of people in Southampton alone is of course no where near enough to sustain it you need numbers from all over the place be that British or Foreign .. . How can you make people have a "say" .... if the dont want to turn out or cant .. what can you do ....... you cant even get people to vote on who runs the country ...... people nowadays have different priorities ....... and they dont include a listening to a buch of Councillors or Developers trying to make a developement ( Redbridge or Town) look exciting[/p][/quote]This is not for the local people there is no intension to cater for the local people, This all about developers making money at the cost of the locals for out siders to benefit. People have been driven to the state that they are in now over the last 35 years, where they are no longer interested because they know that they no longer count and what ever they have to say go's unnotice or what they want they will not get. Its a case now people are being told what they want and its not the same as what they need southy
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4:44pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WoolstonSean wrote:
southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans.
So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.
I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare.

Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.
They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.
If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! .......
Its a future white elephant lone, what they want is not for the people of Southampton to use, this all about bring in a few people from the out side.
I hear it was less than the local concern at Test field (what use to be part of the park) meeting at the Ship Inn.
There is nearly a 1/4 of million people in Southampton and every one of them should have a say in this matter, How many people knew of this meeting and how many could turn up to air there veiws,
They want everyone to use it Southy ...... yes even people from the "outside" ....... The number of people in Southampton alone is of course no where near enough to sustain it you need numbers from all over the place be that British or Foreign ..
.
How can you make people have a "say" .... if the dont want to turn out or cant .. what can you do ....... you cant even get people to vote on who runs the country ...... people nowadays have different priorities ....... and they dont include a listening to a buch of Councillors or Developers trying to make a developement ( Redbridge or Town) look exciting
This is not for the local people there is no intension to cater for the local people, This all about developers making money at the cost of the locals for out siders to benefit.
People have been driven to the state that they are in now over the last 35 years, where they are no longer interested because they know that they no longer count and what ever they have to say go's unnotice or what they want they will not get. Its a case now people are being told what they want and its not the same as what they need
Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ...
.
If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise.
.
You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... .
.
I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]There was a public consultation regarding the development of the Royal Pier and Mayflower Park at Westgate Hall last Friday. It was an opportunity to air your views as well as fill out a questionnaire regarding what you would like and not like with the plans. So the public have had an opportunity to express their views but then I didn't see you there Southy although your name was brought up and I can assure you that your very well known for all the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]I couldn't make the event so e-mailed my views and questions but still awaiting a reply from the architects Lyons, Sleeman and Hoare. Will be interesting to see the results of what the public thought, good or bad, because so often these important views are not included or overlooked.[/p][/quote]They dare not call an open public meeting as they know they will get a roasting from the public, it was only a very few that turned up and only a minor consultation.[/p][/quote]If only a very few turned up (how many) perhaps eveyone else is happy with it and looking forward to finally get the thing started ...... and ultimately finished ...... Getting things done at last ..... No white elephants so far !! .......[/p][/quote]Its a future white elephant lone, what they want is not for the people of Southampton to use, this all about bring in a few people from the out side. I hear it was less than the local concern at Test field (what use to be part of the park) meeting at the Ship Inn. There is nearly a 1/4 of million people in Southampton and every one of them should have a say in this matter, How many people knew of this meeting and how many could turn up to air there veiws,[/p][/quote]They want everyone to use it Southy ...... yes even people from the "outside" ....... The number of people in Southampton alone is of course no where near enough to sustain it you need numbers from all over the place be that British or Foreign .. . How can you make people have a "say" .... if the dont want to turn out or cant .. what can you do ....... you cant even get people to vote on who runs the country ...... people nowadays have different priorities ....... and they dont include a listening to a buch of Councillors or Developers trying to make a developement ( Redbridge or Town) look exciting[/p][/quote]This is not for the local people there is no intension to cater for the local people, This all about developers making money at the cost of the locals for out siders to benefit. People have been driven to the state that they are in now over the last 35 years, where they are no longer interested because they know that they no longer count and what ever they have to say go's unnotice or what they want they will not get. Its a case now people are being told what they want and its not the same as what they need[/p][/quote]Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ... . If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise. . You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... . . I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what Lone Ranger.
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5:23pm Wed 16 Jul 14

thesouth says...

southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
They did have an open day last week, you missed it
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]They did have an open day last week, you missed it thesouth
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7:09pm Wed 16 Jul 14

southy says...

thesouth wrote:
southy wrote:
The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here
They did have an open day last week, you missed it
That I did, most people did miss it and most would off as they do not know about it
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The people who should have the say on what happens here should be the People of Southampton and not business they don't live here[/p][/quote]They did have an open day last week, you missed it[/p][/quote]That I did, most people did miss it and most would off as they do not know about it southy
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7:20pm Wed 16 Jul 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote
Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ...
If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise.
You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... .
.I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what

Its not for every one, how many Southampton people would be able to afford going to this Casino, our be able afford one of these homes or be able to keep there boat in that marina.
Remember what they said about Ocean Village Marina 6 places was meant for the residents of Southampton, when applied for the price was well out of there reach, and the homes that was built there very few Southampton people could afford the homes. That was a Labour Council who made a promises knowning to well it was out of reach of local people, the same will happen here, Its not for us its for others and when the Boat Show pulls out and they will, Developers will move in on the ground that was reclaimed they will build on that.
Lone Ranger. wrote Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ... If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise. You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... . .I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what Its not for every one, how many Southampton people would be able to afford going to this Casino, our be able afford one of these homes or be able to keep there boat in that marina. Remember what they said about Ocean Village Marina 6 places was meant for the residents of Southampton, when applied for the price was well out of there reach, and the homes that was built there very few Southampton people could afford the homes. That was a Labour Council who made a promises knowning to well it was out of reach of local people, the same will happen here, Its not for us its for others and when the Boat Show pulls out and they will, Developers will move in on the ground that was reclaimed they will build on that. southy
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8:44am Thu 17 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote
Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ...
If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise.
You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... .
.I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what

Its not for every one, how many Southampton people would be able to afford going to this Casino, our be able afford one of these homes or be able to keep there boat in that marina.
Remember what they said about Ocean Village Marina 6 places was meant for the residents of Southampton, when applied for the price was well out of there reach, and the homes that was built there very few Southampton people could afford the homes. That was a Labour Council who made a promises knowning to well it was out of reach of local people, the same will happen here, Its not for us its for others and when the Boat Show pulls out and they will, Developers will move in on the ground that was reclaimed they will build on that.
It is for everyone Southy .....
.
I dont know how many local people can afford to go to the casino .... and neither do you .. but, i bet its more than you think.
.
I cant comment on Ocean Village as my memory doesnt recall your statement ...... I just view your comments as throwing cold water over anything that you dont like or agree with irrespective of any party politics.
.
This city is crying out for further re-developement and in particular at the waterfront ...... We have yet to see your plans the area and what they will include ...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger. wrote Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ... If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise. You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... . .I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what Its not for every one, how many Southampton people would be able to afford going to this Casino, our be able afford one of these homes or be able to keep there boat in that marina. Remember what they said about Ocean Village Marina 6 places was meant for the residents of Southampton, when applied for the price was well out of there reach, and the homes that was built there very few Southampton people could afford the homes. That was a Labour Council who made a promises knowning to well it was out of reach of local people, the same will happen here, Its not for us its for others and when the Boat Show pulls out and they will, Developers will move in on the ground that was reclaimed they will build on that.[/p][/quote]It is for everyone Southy ..... . I dont know how many local people can afford to go to the casino .... and neither do you .. but, i bet its more than you think. . I cant comment on Ocean Village as my memory doesnt recall your statement ...... I just view your comments as throwing cold water over anything that you dont like or agree with irrespective of any party politics. . This city is crying out for further re-developement and in particular at the waterfront ...... We have yet to see your plans the area and what they will include ... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

8:44am Thu 17 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote
Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ...
If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise.
You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... .
.I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what

Its not for every one, how many Southampton people would be able to afford going to this Casino, our be able afford one of these homes or be able to keep there boat in that marina.
Remember what they said about Ocean Village Marina 6 places was meant for the residents of Southampton, when applied for the price was well out of there reach, and the homes that was built there very few Southampton people could afford the homes. That was a Labour Council who made a promises knowning to well it was out of reach of local people, the same will happen here, Its not for us its for others and when the Boat Show pulls out and they will, Developers will move in on the ground that was reclaimed they will build on that.
It is for everyone Southy .....
.
I dont know how many local people can afford to go to the casino .... and neither do you .. but, i bet its more than you think.
.
I cant comment on Ocean Village as my memory doesnt recall your statement ...... I just view your comments as throwing cold water over anything that you dont like or agree with irrespective of any party politics.
.
This city is crying out for further re-developement and in particular at the waterfront ...... We have yet to see your plans the area and what they will include ...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger. wrote Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ... If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise. You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... . .I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what Its not for every one, how many Southampton people would be able to afford going to this Casino, our be able afford one of these homes or be able to keep there boat in that marina. Remember what they said about Ocean Village Marina 6 places was meant for the residents of Southampton, when applied for the price was well out of there reach, and the homes that was built there very few Southampton people could afford the homes. That was a Labour Council who made a promises knowning to well it was out of reach of local people, the same will happen here, Its not for us its for others and when the Boat Show pulls out and they will, Developers will move in on the ground that was reclaimed they will build on that.[/p][/quote]It is for everyone Southy ..... . I dont know how many local people can afford to go to the casino .... and neither do you .. but, i bet its more than you think. . I cant comment on Ocean Village as my memory doesnt recall your statement ...... I just view your comments as throwing cold water over anything that you dont like or agree with irrespective of any party politics. . This city is crying out for further re-developement and in particular at the waterfront ...... We have yet to see your plans the area and what they will include ... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

11:46am Thu 17 Jul 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote
Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ...
If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise.
You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... .
.I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what

Its not for every one, how many Southampton people would be able to afford going to this Casino, our be able afford one of these homes or be able to keep there boat in that marina.
Remember what they said about Ocean Village Marina 6 places was meant for the residents of Southampton, when applied for the price was well out of there reach, and the homes that was built there very few Southampton people could afford the homes. That was a Labour Council who made a promises knowning to well it was out of reach of local people, the same will happen here, Its not for us its for others and when the Boat Show pulls out and they will, Developers will move in on the ground that was reclaimed they will build on that.
It is for everyone Southy .....
.
I dont know how many local people can afford to go to the casino .... and neither do you .. but, i bet its more than you think.
.
I cant comment on Ocean Village as my memory doesnt recall your statement ...... I just view your comments as throwing cold water over anything that you dont like or agree with irrespective of any party politics.
.
This city is crying out for further re-developement and in particular at the waterfront ...... We have yet to see your plans the area and what they will include ...
Yes we are in badly need of redevelopement, but not any developement the developement should be for the people of Southampton first and what they want.
How many Casino's have we had in Southampton over the years how many have all ready gone, if they was wanted or a success they would still be here but its a case new one opens up and another close down though lack of business. Ocean Village I remember a fair bit about it at the time I was working closely with Pat Bear who use to be a Councillor for the Redbridge ward (the best councillor we ever had) and what happen there will happen here.
I have said a number of times what I would do if I had the money and that was to buy up the Royal Pier rebuild it, make the bulge wider and put a multi purpose hall on it and at the end have moorings for Jubilee Trust Tall Ships have the pier open 24 hours for people walk or go fishing from, you could even set up a birdman flying competion, I would then give it to the people of Southampton, do this and the Boat show would stay here and they would also use it as part of the show. Do what they are showing here will put that nail into Boat show and they will move more likely end up at Portsmouth, People come to Southampton Boat show for one reason it is a wet boat show unlike others like Earls Court its a dry boat show, here in Southampton Boat show people can go out in the boats before buying or just looking, its one of the very few shows in the world where you can do this.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger. wrote Dont be silly its a developement for anyone and everyone ..... Just because it may not have what you want (whatever that is) doesnt mean it's not for local people ... If everyone had what they think they needed we would end up with such an almighty mess .. there has to be some form of moderation and compromise. You cant keep demanding what you want ...... it has to suit the majority .. and that majority dont post on this Echo site ..... . .I think you said we dont want a casino ...... I said we do ... now what Its not for every one, how many Southampton people would be able to afford going to this Casino, our be able afford one of these homes or be able to keep there boat in that marina. Remember what they said about Ocean Village Marina 6 places was meant for the residents of Southampton, when applied for the price was well out of there reach, and the homes that was built there very few Southampton people could afford the homes. That was a Labour Council who made a promises knowning to well it was out of reach of local people, the same will happen here, Its not for us its for others and when the Boat Show pulls out and they will, Developers will move in on the ground that was reclaimed they will build on that.[/p][/quote]It is for everyone Southy ..... . I dont know how many local people can afford to go to the casino .... and neither do you .. but, i bet its more than you think. . I cant comment on Ocean Village as my memory doesnt recall your statement ...... I just view your comments as throwing cold water over anything that you dont like or agree with irrespective of any party politics. . This city is crying out for further re-developement and in particular at the waterfront ...... We have yet to see your plans the area and what they will include ...[/p][/quote]Yes we are in badly need of redevelopement, but not any developement the developement should be for the people of Southampton first and what they want. How many Casino's have we had in Southampton over the years how many have all ready gone, if they was wanted or a success they would still be here but its a case new one opens up and another close down though lack of business. Ocean Village I remember a fair bit about it at the time I was working closely with Pat Bear who use to be a Councillor for the Redbridge ward (the best councillor we ever had) and what happen there will happen here. I have said a number of times what I would do if I had the money and that was to buy up the Royal Pier rebuild it, make the bulge wider and put a multi purpose hall on it and at the end have moorings for Jubilee Trust Tall Ships have the pier open 24 hours for people walk or go fishing from, you could even set up a birdman flying competion, I would then give it to the people of Southampton, do this and the Boat show would stay here and they would also use it as part of the show. Do what they are showing here will put that nail into Boat show and they will move more likely end up at Portsmouth, People come to Southampton Boat show for one reason it is a wet boat show unlike others like Earls Court its a dry boat show, here in Southampton Boat show people can go out in the boats before buying or just looking, its one of the very few shows in the world where you can do this. southy
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12:09pm Thu 17 Jul 14

southy says...

Lone you can add to this also with the Boat Show gone the Hotels will end up closing down and moving out, they rely on the Boat show and Cowes Week for there major bookings
Lone you can add to this also with the Boat Show gone the Hotels will end up closing down and moving out, they rely on the Boat show and Cowes Week for there major bookings southy
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