Nationals parks such as the New Forest and South Downs protected from fracking, ministers say

The New Forest and South Downs National Parks will be protected from fracking, ministers announced today

The New Forest and South Downs National Parks will be protected from fracking, ministers announced today

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NATIONAL Parks such as the New Forest and the South Downs will be protected from fracking unless there are “exceptional circumstances”, ministers announced today.

The policy was unveiled as the latest bidding process for shale companies seeking licences to explore for oil and gas was opened.

The Government has committed to going “all out for shale”, claiming development of the gas and oil resource is needed to improve energy security, boost jobs and the economy and bring down energy prices.

But opponents say it causes disruption and damaging development in the countryside, can cause minor earthquakes and the risk of water pollution, and that exploiting new oil and gas resources is not compatible with tackling climate change.

Today ministers unveiled new guidance which means applications for developments in National Parks, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty and World Heritage Sites should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

The announcement will be welcomed in the New Forest where the National Park Authority (NPA) pressed the Government to exclude the area from the controversial practice, as reported by the Daily Echo in May.

At the time NPA member Cllr David Harrison said: “The New Forest should be one of the last places in the country where fracking is permitted.

"It would be a mistake to think that the planning process gives the New Forest enough protection against environmental threats on this scale.”

Today the Department of Energy and Climate Change said where an application in these areas is refused and the developer launches an appeal, Communities Secretary Eric Pickles will consider whether to make the final decision himself to ensure the policy is being properly applied.

Business and energy minister Matthew Hancock said: “Unlocking shale gas in Britain has the potential to provide us with greater energy security, jobs and growth.

“We must act carefully, minimising risks, to explore how much of our large resource can be recovered to give the UK a new home-grown source of energy.

“As one of the cleanest fossil fuels, shale gas can be a key part of the UK's answer to climate change and a bridge to a much greener future.

“The new guidance published today will protect Britain's great National Parks and outstanding landscapes, building on the existing rules that ensure operational best practices are implemented and robustly enforced.

“Ultimately, done right, speeding up shale will mean more jobs and opportunities for people and help ensure long-term economic and energy security for our country.”

But Greenpeace warned that the National Parks policy would not appease campaigners against fracking.

Louise Hutchins, Greenpeace UK energy campaigner, said: “The Government has fired the starting gun on a reckless race for shale that could see fracking rigs go up across the British countryside, including in sensitive areas such as those covering major aquifers.

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“Eric Pickles' supposed veto power over drilling in National Parks will do nothing to quell the disquiet of fracking opponents across Britain.

“Ministers waited until the parliamentary recess to make their move, no doubt aware of the political headache this will cause to MPs whose constituencies will be affected.”

The licences which can be applied for from today provide the first step to start drilling but do not give an absolute agreement to drill.

Planning permission, permits from the Environment Agency and agreement from the Health and Safety Executive will be required for further drilling.

Fracking involves drilling thousands of feet underground and then pumping in pressurised water and chemicals to crack the rocks below and release trapped pockets of gas. The controversial process has been blamed for causing mini-earthquakes in Lancashire.

Last year the Daily Echo revealed that gas companies have already been granted eight licences for fracking in southern Hampshire.

The areas affected include land between North Baddesley and Fairthorne, Kings Worthy and Stockbridge, and Chilton and Amport.

Licences have also been issued for Hampage Wood near Winchester and areas east of Fareham and Hambledon.

It is unlikely that all the sites would be fracked, because some might have the potential to generate conventional gas instead.

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8:28am Mon 28 Jul 14

jackois says...

The government and the fracking industry are yet to convince me that they won't impinge on the water table... I'm afraid that as long as it's easier to drill, dig or pump chemicals to get fuel, we'll struggle to develop renewable energy sources...
... a lot of this is down to greed from the afformentioned industry & government and their greed.
The government and the fracking industry are yet to convince me that they won't impinge on the water table... I'm afraid that as long as it's easier to drill, dig or pump chemicals to get fuel, we'll struggle to develop renewable energy sources... ... a lot of this is down to greed from the afformentioned industry & government and their greed. jackois
  • Score: 8

9:12am Mon 28 Jul 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 4

9:30am Mon 28 Jul 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
It looks as if the government is keen for fracking to happen in places like the north west where people have the annoying habit of not voting conservative in large numbers. However there is a different story in the south where some protection will initially be afforded to our national parks.

I wonder how long it would take for the natives up north to cotton on to the potential of the untapped natural gas in their rocks and - if should they achieved a degree of regional independence - how much money they might have with which to turn the tables on the greedy, pampered stockbroker belt in the south.

The Scotland question - whatever the outcome in September - will have profound reverberations for England - nowhere more so than in the north.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]It looks as if the government is keen for fracking to happen in places like the north west where people have the annoying habit of not voting conservative in large numbers. However there is a different story in the south where some protection will initially be afforded to our national parks. I wonder how long it would take for the natives up north to cotton on to the potential of the untapped natural gas in their rocks and - if should they achieved a degree of regional independence - how much money they might have with which to turn the tables on the greedy, pampered stockbroker belt in the south. The Scotland question - whatever the outcome in September - will have profound reverberations for England - nowhere more so than in the north. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 1

9:40am Mon 28 Jul 14

forest hump says...

jackois wrote:
The government and the fracking industry are yet to convince me that they won't impinge on the water table... I'm afraid that as long as it's easier to drill, dig or pump chemicals to get fuel, we'll struggle to develop renewable energy sources...
... a lot of this is down to greed from the afformentioned industry & government and their greed.
Absolute claptrap. Before you start spouting off this inaccurate filth you need to stop using gas and electricity. Or do you want to be at the beck and call of the Russians? Renewables are not consistent energy supplies and will never be. Denmark has the highest amount of wind power per-capita and have yet to decommission a single power station.
[quote][p][bold]jackois[/bold] wrote: The government and the fracking industry are yet to convince me that they won't impinge on the water table... I'm afraid that as long as it's easier to drill, dig or pump chemicals to get fuel, we'll struggle to develop renewable energy sources... ... a lot of this is down to greed from the afformentioned industry & government and their greed.[/p][/quote]Absolute claptrap. Before you start spouting off this inaccurate filth you need to stop using gas and electricity. Or do you want to be at the beck and call of the Russians? Renewables are not consistent energy supplies and will never be. Denmark has the highest amount of wind power per-capita and have yet to decommission a single power station. forest hump
  • Score: -6

10:27am Mon 28 Jul 14

southy says...

I would not take any notice of what the Ministers are saying, this is the same lot that voted in a law that allows companys to jump local council and people to get what they want, any public open spaces a company can apply direct to government to be able to build or develope public open spaces and that includes places like the New Forest and Southampton Common, no place is safe any more.
I would not take any notice of what the Ministers are saying, this is the same lot that voted in a law that allows companys to jump local council and people to get what they want, any public open spaces a company can apply direct to government to be able to build or develope public open spaces and that includes places like the New Forest and Southampton Common, no place is safe any more. southy
  • Score: 2

1:49pm Mon 28 Jul 14

elvisimo says...

forest hump wrote:
jackois wrote:
The government and the fracking industry are yet to convince me that they won't impinge on the water table... I'm afraid that as long as it's easier to drill, dig or pump chemicals to get fuel, we'll struggle to develop renewable energy sources...
... a lot of this is down to greed from the afformentioned industry & government and their greed.
Absolute claptrap. Before you start spouting off this inaccurate filth you need to stop using gas and electricity. Or do you want to be at the beck and call of the Russians? Renewables are not consistent energy supplies and will never be. Denmark has the highest amount of wind power per-capita and have yet to decommission a single power station.
Correct
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackois[/bold] wrote: The government and the fracking industry are yet to convince me that they won't impinge on the water table... I'm afraid that as long as it's easier to drill, dig or pump chemicals to get fuel, we'll struggle to develop renewable energy sources... ... a lot of this is down to greed from the afformentioned industry & government and their greed.[/p][/quote]Absolute claptrap. Before you start spouting off this inaccurate filth you need to stop using gas and electricity. Or do you want to be at the beck and call of the Russians? Renewables are not consistent energy supplies and will never be. Denmark has the highest amount of wind power per-capita and have yet to decommission a single power station.[/p][/quote]Correct elvisimo
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry. forest hump
  • Score: -1

7:45pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.
You sir, are an uneducated fool.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.[/p][/quote]You sir, are an uneducated fool. forest hump
  • Score: -1

9:15pm Mon 28 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.
Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.[/p][/quote]Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out. forest hump
  • Score: -1

10:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.
Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.
Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.[/p][/quote]Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.[/p][/quote]Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

10:21pm Mon 28 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.
Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.
Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt.
Again, you are an uneducated and very selfish fool. I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.[/p][/quote]Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.[/p][/quote]Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt.[/p][/quote]Again, you are an uneducated and very selfish fool. I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else. forest hump
  • Score: -1

10:43pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.
Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.
Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt.
Again, you are an uneducated and very selfish fool. I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else.
Heard of geothermal power? Southampton already uses it as the city sits on a minor fault line.
Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions.
Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air.
Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans.
Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed.
Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it.
Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane.
Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.[/p][/quote]Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.[/p][/quote]Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt.[/p][/quote]Again, you are an uneducated and very selfish fool. I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else.[/p][/quote]Heard of geothermal power? Southampton already uses it as the city sits on a minor fault line. Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions. Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air. Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans. Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed. Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it. Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane. Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

11:31pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Solent Soul says...

forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I think you should calm down a bit, its a forum open to anyone wishing to express their view's & discuss in a mature way, not to directly insult people because they don't share the same ideas as you..
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I think you should calm down a bit, its a forum open to anyone wishing to express their view's & discuss in a mature way, not to directly insult people because they don't share the same ideas as you.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 2

10:02am Tue 29 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Solent Soul wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I think you should calm down a bit, its a forum open to anyone wishing to express their view's & discuss in a mature way, not to directly insult people because they don't share the same ideas as you..
That's fine, I'll just ignore it. Ginger C is well deserving and used to it with his (entitled) contentious views. See you later
[quote][p][bold]Solent Soul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I think you should calm down a bit, its a forum open to anyone wishing to express their view's & discuss in a mature way, not to directly insult people because they don't share the same ideas as you..[/p][/quote]That's fine, I'll just ignore it. Ginger C is well deserving and used to it with his (entitled) contentious views. See you later forest hump
  • Score: -1

10:06am Tue 29 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.
Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.
Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt.
Again, you are an uneducated and very selfish fool. I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else.
Heard of geothermal power? Southampton already uses it as the city sits on a minor fault line.
Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions.
Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air.
Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans.
Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed.
Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it.
Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane.
Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas.
"Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions.
Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air.
Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans.
Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed.
Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it.
Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane.
Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas."

Of course I have not heard of these alternatives......fo
ol. Combine and rely on all of the above and you will suffer prolonged power cuts and general anarchy. But then again, that is just what the likes of you and the idiots at Greenpeace etc. want, regression to cave dwelling. Bl**dy Neanderthals, the lot of them
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.[/p][/quote]Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.[/p][/quote]Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt.[/p][/quote]Again, you are an uneducated and very selfish fool. I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else.[/p][/quote]Heard of geothermal power? Southampton already uses it as the city sits on a minor fault line. Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions. Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air. Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans. Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed. Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it. Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane. Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas.[/p][/quote]"Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions. Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air. Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans. Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed. Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it. Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane. Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas." Of course I have not heard of these alternatives......fo ol. Combine and rely on all of the above and you will suffer prolonged power cuts and general anarchy. But then again, that is just what the likes of you and the idiots at Greenpeace etc. want, regression to cave dwelling. Bl**dy Neanderthals, the lot of them forest hump
  • Score: 0

5:06pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”.

Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians.

Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" .

Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people.

No to fracking. Period
That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.
I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.
Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.
Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt.
Again, you are an uneducated and very selfish fool. I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else.
Heard of geothermal power? Southampton already uses it as the city sits on a minor fault line.
Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions.
Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air.
Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans.
Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed.
Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it.
Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane.
Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas.
"Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions.
Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air.
Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans.
Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed.
Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it.
Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane.
Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas."

Of course I have not heard of these alternatives......fo

ol. Combine and rely on all of the above and you will suffer prolonged power cuts and general anarchy. But then again, that is just what the likes of you and the idiots at Greenpeace etc. want, regression to cave dwelling. Bl**dy Neanderthals, the lot of them
You're the idiot, we already HAVE a CHP geothermal plant, providing heat to homes as far as Holyrood and the Polygon areas, the electricity it currently produces is at around 26 million kWh at this point in time which is enough to power the port with surplus, the quays, Asda, West quay, Ikea, several hotels(including The De Vere, Royal South Hants Hospital, Solent University and Carnival offices are all connected to the heating and chillling supplies provided by the geothermal plant, several schools have also shown great interest in using the heating and chilling supplies, Southampton Geothermal Heating Company is also looking to expand the heating scheme to other parts of the city using the same proccess they used for the Holyrood area, bet you didn't know any of that yet the info is publically available, plenty of roof space in town for solar panels too, not to mention that West quay could probably generate some of it's own power by using the heat generated by all the people who visit, the solent and southampton water is also a good place for tidal power due to the double tides that we experience, you could stick numbers of turbines on top of the taller buildings to generate power as well.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Rather than pledging that applications for messing up the environment, causing earthquakes and polluting water while creating its shortage by fracking will not be accepted the ministers of unprincipled coalition government are trying to divide the opponents of this vandalism by saying that applications for places like New Forest will should be refused other than in “exceptional circumstances and in the public interest”. Those lucky enough to live in National Parks should not be fooled by this kind of vague statement and start breaking ranks with opponents of loony ideas from other areas. Because 'in exceptional circumstance and in the public interest' are not guarantee but very vague words of opportunist and unreliable politicians. Big donations to political parties, or memberships of certain secret and semi secret societies may be sufficient for creating those "exceptional circumstances" which they will tell us will be in "national interest" . Just like the coalition government which although mostly served the interests of super rich and screwed the ordinary folks (for example reducing the tax rates for super rich and also frackers) has been busy pushing down incomes of less well off people. No to fracking. Period[/p][/quote]That's fine. I bet you will be the first on here to whine when energy prices increase...both gas and electric. People like you make me sick! You should go and explore for your own energy resources, process it and then consume. Luddites spring to mind! You listen to all of these American fat directors re. Michael Moore who produce nothing but filth to discredit the industry.[/p][/quote]I see some brainwashed sheep who think frack gas is clean and safe.[/p][/quote]Oh, and how long have you worked in the industry to support your claim. Oh ye who oils his push bike with corn oil. Again, you are a naive fool. I sincerely hope you freeze when the current supplies of gas run out.[/p][/quote]Corn oil? Nope, not me, sure it's not made from crude oil but it's not corn oil, the grease I use is also made from eco friendly substances and I won't freeze when the current gas supplies runs out as there's these magical things called CLOTHES, the more you put on, the warmer you are but at the rate we're polluting the atmosphere, we'll no longer need extra layers at any time of the year, to the extent of being able to get a tan in Antarctica or fry an egg in direct(no lenses or mirrors) sunlight in Egypt.[/p][/quote]Again, you are an uneducated and very selfish fool. I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else.[/p][/quote]Heard of geothermal power? Southampton already uses it as the city sits on a minor fault line. Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions. Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air. Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans. Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed. Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it. Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane. Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas.[/p][/quote]"Heard of solar power? Photosensitive panels are getting better and more efficient everyday, they now work very well in cloudy conditions. Heard of wind power? It uses convection currents in the air. Heard of tidal power? It essentially harnesses the gravity of the moon due to it's effect on our oceans. Heard of wave power? It's technically another form of wind energy as that's how waves are formed. Heard of biomass energy? You take organic waste and do whatever to it. Use cow **** which are almost pure Methane. Many other CLEAN and SAFE alternatives to frack gas." Of course I have not heard of these alternatives......fo ol. Combine and rely on all of the above and you will suffer prolonged power cuts and general anarchy. But then again, that is just what the likes of you and the idiots at Greenpeace etc. want, regression to cave dwelling. Bl**dy Neanderthals, the lot of them[/p][/quote]You're the idiot, we already HAVE a CHP geothermal plant, providing heat to homes as far as Holyrood and the Polygon areas, the electricity it currently produces is at around 26 million kWh at this point in time which is enough to power the port with surplus, the quays, Asda, West quay, Ikea, several hotels(including The De Vere, Royal South Hants Hospital, Solent University and Carnival offices are all connected to the heating and chillling supplies provided by the geothermal plant, several schools have also shown great interest in using the heating and chilling supplies, Southampton Geothermal Heating Company is also looking to expand the heating scheme to other parts of the city using the same proccess they used for the Holyrood area, bet you didn't know any of that yet the info is publically available, plenty of roof space in town for solar panels too, not to mention that West quay could probably generate some of it's own power by using the heat generated by all the people who visit, the solent and southampton water is also a good place for tidal power due to the double tides that we experience, you could stick numbers of turbines on top of the taller buildings to generate power as well. Ginger_cyclist
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