Demonstrators outside Southampton Civic Centre called for an end to the Gaza conflict

Protestors outside the Civic Centre

Protestors outside the Civic Centre

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

DEMONSTRATORS held a vigil outside Southampton Civic Centre last night calling for an end to the conflict in Gaza.

Protesters held placards bearing slogans including “Free Gaza, Free Palestine” in the latest demonstration in the city, following three previous protest marches.

Liz Rolfs, of the Southampton branch of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, said: “We feel frustrated and helpless that this can be happening and our Government is not listening.

“We cannot do anything about it but educate people and make our voices heard.”

Protester Nurul Kamrul said: “I am feeling disgusted with the killing of women and children.”

A spokesman for the South Hampshire Reform Jewish Community, a member of the Movement for Reform Judaism, said: “We are deeply saddened by the loss of life on both sides of this conflict, and while we stand alongside our brothers and sisters in Israel at this frightening time, we view the escalation of the conflict with great sadness and concern.”

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1:05pm Fri 1 Aug 14

hursthill says...

Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy hursthill
  • Score: -10

1:42pm Fri 1 Aug 14

From the sidelines says...

hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian. From the sidelines
  • Score: 10

2:13pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Red_Rock says...

From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
.... or a person.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote].... or a person. Red_Rock
  • Score: 5

2:23pm Fri 1 Aug 14

southy says...

It was Israel that broke peace truce, they rolled tanks into Gaza and they have also been firing small round shells at a temples along the beach none stop though out the peace truce.

Some of you might find this interesting about Freeman economy.
It was Israel that broke peace truce, they rolled tanks into Gaza and they have also been firing small round shells at a temples along the beach none stop though out the peace truce. Some of you might find this interesting about Freeman economy. southy
  • Score: -2

2:24pm Fri 1 Aug 14

southy says...

southy wrote:
It was Israel that broke peace truce, they rolled tanks into Gaza and they have also been firing small round shells at a temples along the beach none stop though out the peace truce.

Some of you might find this interesting about Freeman economy.
http://www.filmsfora
ction.org/watch/the_
shock_doctrine_2009/
#.U9qSUT8QmYw.facebo
ok

Freeman was also a regular at the Bilderberg Meetings.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: It was Israel that broke peace truce, they rolled tanks into Gaza and they have also been firing small round shells at a temples along the beach none stop though out the peace truce. Some of you might find this interesting about Freeman economy.[/p][/quote]http://www.filmsfora ction.org/watch/the_ shock_doctrine_2009/ #.U9qSUT8QmYw.facebo ok Freeman was also a regular at the Bilderberg Meetings. southy
  • Score: -8

3:48pm Fri 1 Aug 14

sarfhamton says...

We need to stop selling arms to either side, indeed we should not sell arms abroad at all. We then need to boycott all imports from both Israel and Palestine until a ceasefire is agreed.
We need to stop selling arms to either side, indeed we should not sell arms abroad at all. We then need to boycott all imports from both Israel and Palestine until a ceasefire is agreed. sarfhamton
  • Score: -2

4:04pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

4:57pm Fri 1 Aug 14

befriendly says...

Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name. befriendly
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Linesman says...

befriendly wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name.
The same book with tell you that the tribes of Israel were scattered and banished from 'the Promised Land.'

You are correct in that Islam was not created till a considerable time after the death of Jesus, but you appear to be unaware that those who chose Islam were, until that time, Jews. They were one of the tribes of Israel.
[quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name.[/p][/quote]The same book with tell you that the tribes of Israel were scattered and banished from 'the Promised Land.' You are correct in that Islam was not created till a considerable time after the death of Jesus, but you appear to be unaware that those who chose Islam were, until that time, Jews. They were one of the tribes of Israel. Linesman
  • Score: 2

6:48pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

Linesman wrote:
befriendly wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name.
The same book with tell you that the tribes of Israel were scattered and banished from 'the Promised Land.'

You are correct in that Islam was not created till a considerable time after the death of Jesus, but you appear to be unaware that those who chose Islam were, until that time, Jews. They were one of the tribes of Israel.
In the absence of a straight answer lets pitch in with meaningless facts and parts of history to avoid accepting that UN Resolution 181 created the State of Israel. The nations of the world created the UN from the ashes of The League of Nations and the UN created the Resolution that allowed the State of Israel to take over from the British Mandate of Palestine. The Arab nations unwisely attacked the new state in the hope of obliterating it which would have led to border changes favoured by those Arab states, but they didn't reckon on the determination of the fledgling state to defend itself and change the borders using the same game plan that it's Arab neighbours had assumed would work in their favour. The Arabs thought they could reverse Resolution 181 on the battlefield in 1948 and they were unwisely counseled. Deal with the relevant facts if nothing else and it may help you understand the conflict more clearly than your replies indicate.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name.[/p][/quote]The same book with tell you that the tribes of Israel were scattered and banished from 'the Promised Land.' You are correct in that Islam was not created till a considerable time after the death of Jesus, but you appear to be unaware that those who chose Islam were, until that time, Jews. They were one of the tribes of Israel.[/p][/quote]In the absence of a straight answer lets pitch in with meaningless facts and parts of history to avoid accepting that UN Resolution 181 created the State of Israel. The nations of the world created the UN from the ashes of The League of Nations and the UN created the Resolution that allowed the State of Israel to take over from the British Mandate of Palestine. The Arab nations unwisely attacked the new state in the hope of obliterating it which would have led to border changes favoured by those Arab states, but they didn't reckon on the determination of the fledgling state to defend itself and change the borders using the same game plan that it's Arab neighbours had assumed would work in their favour. The Arabs thought they could reverse Resolution 181 on the battlefield in 1948 and they were unwisely counseled. Deal with the relevant facts if nothing else and it may help you understand the conflict more clearly than your replies indicate. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

9:38pm Fri 1 Aug 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger southy
  • Score: -1

10:28pm Fri 1 Aug 14

steekeemcglue says...

Hamas is a terrorist organisation holding their own F***ing population hostage... do your f***ing basic research people before posting utter sh1t on here.
Hamas is a terrorist organisation holding their own F***ing population hostage... do your f***ing basic research people before posting utter sh1t on here. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 2

10:38pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Linesman says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Hamas is a terrorist organisation holding their own F***ing population hostage... do your f***ing basic research people before posting utter sh1t on here.
The words of a genius?
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: Hamas is a terrorist organisation holding their own F***ing population hostage... do your f***ing basic research people before posting utter sh1t on here.[/p][/quote]The words of a genius? Linesman
  • Score: 4

11:33pm Fri 1 Aug 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

Linesman wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Hamas is a terrorist organisation holding their own F***ing population hostage... do your f***ing basic research people before posting utter sh1t on here.
The words of a genius?
Hamas were funded by the khazars , launch bottle rockets to give the khazars a exscuse to take more land ,rinse and repeat.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: Hamas is a terrorist organisation holding their own F***ing population hostage... do your f***ing basic research people before posting utter sh1t on here.[/p][/quote]The words of a genius?[/p][/quote]Hamas were funded by the khazars , launch bottle rockets to give the khazars a exscuse to take more land ,rinse and repeat. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 0

12:06am Sat 2 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger
Perhaps you ought to contact the United Nations and inform them about your findings and how they have so badly misled the world with their inaccurate records. I'm in awe of you and how you alone can expose so many secrets that no-one else can uncover and you always protect the sources of your information.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to contact the United Nations and inform them about your findings and how they have so badly misled the world with their inaccurate records. I'm in awe of you and how you alone can expose so many secrets that no-one else can uncover and you always protect the sources of your information. Torchie1
  • Score: 3

1:14am Sat 2 Aug 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger
Perhaps you ought to contact the United Nations and inform them about your findings and how they have so badly misled the world with their inaccurate records. I'm in awe of you and how you alone can expose so many secrets that no-one else can uncover and you always protect the sources of your information.
Prehaps you should read article 181 in full and not the tiny bits that suit you, It was in 1948 that the UN reconise the Israel Government, They aprove the State of Isreal in Nov 1947 article 181 signed but at that time Isreal never had a Government, and in Dec that year Isreal invaded the rest of Palistine, Palistine did not have an armed forces where as Isreal did and it was well trained and armed the conflict lasted about a year. If you go to the UN home page you can find maps of the area one for every year from 1945 to 1950 showing Isreal expansion, Isrealites started bombing in 1945 killing incent people women and kids as well as adult males, in 1946 they bomb a cafe where British Troops hang out they did not care who they killed and still don't.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to contact the United Nations and inform them about your findings and how they have so badly misled the world with their inaccurate records. I'm in awe of you and how you alone can expose so many secrets that no-one else can uncover and you always protect the sources of your information.[/p][/quote]Prehaps you should read article 181 in full and not the tiny bits that suit you, It was in 1948 that the UN reconise the Israel Government, They aprove the State of Isreal in Nov 1947 article 181 signed but at that time Isreal never had a Government, and in Dec that year Isreal invaded the rest of Palistine, Palistine did not have an armed forces where as Isreal did and it was well trained and armed the conflict lasted about a year. If you go to the UN home page you can find maps of the area one for every year from 1945 to 1950 showing Isreal expansion, Isrealites started bombing in 1945 killing incent people women and kids as well as adult males, in 1946 they bomb a cafe where British Troops hang out they did not care who they killed and still don't. southy
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1:34am Sat 2 Aug 14

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
befriendly wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name.
The same book with tell you that the tribes of Israel were scattered and banished from 'the Promised Land.'

You are correct in that Islam was not created till a considerable time after the death of Jesus, but you appear to be unaware that those who chose Islam were, until that time, Jews. They were one of the tribes of Israel.
can i add to that a little, if moses was real then he arrived well after the Palistines arrival in the area a pagan group of merchant seamen and learned people from the very early days of the greek era before classical greece, the Jewish faith had not even been invented. The Eygptian unifcation of the nile had not even happen it was in of a state of 6 major ruling tribes, One of the ideas how Eygpt first came about was because of the early travelers from greece, unting the tribes though marrage to the greeks.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name.[/p][/quote]The same book with tell you that the tribes of Israel were scattered and banished from 'the Promised Land.' You are correct in that Islam was not created till a considerable time after the death of Jesus, but you appear to be unaware that those who chose Islam were, until that time, Jews. They were one of the tribes of Israel.[/p][/quote]can i add to that a little, if moses was real then he arrived well after the Palistines arrival in the area a pagan group of merchant seamen and learned people from the very early days of the greek era before classical greece, the Jewish faith had not even been invented. The Eygptian unifcation of the nile had not even happen it was in of a state of 6 major ruling tribes, One of the ideas how Eygpt first came about was because of the early travelers from greece, unting the tribes though marrage to the greeks. southy
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8:12am Sat 2 Aug 14

Tony Blair's Accountant says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
befriendly wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name.
The same book with tell you that the tribes of Israel were scattered and banished from 'the Promised Land.'

You are correct in that Islam was not created till a considerable time after the death of Jesus, but you appear to be unaware that those who chose Islam were, until that time, Jews. They were one of the tribes of Israel.
can i add to that a little, if moses was real then he arrived well after the Palistines arrival in the area a pagan group of merchant seamen and learned people from the very early days of the greek era before classical greece, the Jewish faith had not even been invented. The Eygptian unifcation of the nile had not even happen it was in of a state of 6 major ruling tribes, One of the ideas how Eygpt first came about was because of the early travelers from greece, unting the tribes though marrage to the greeks.
Goto 10
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]If we are talking history I think you'll find, according to a certain book, it was first named Israel by a certain bloke called Moses. Islam was not created till five hundred years after Jesus died and he was Jewish. The crusades were held to keep the Muslims out, but failed. It has been fought over ever since and will until all the senior religious figures from both faiths, they both worship the same God but in their own way, agree that trying to prove their version of God is futile and costing to many innocent lives. Even the Muslims can't agree among themselves about who's version is best. Sunni, Shiite, fight each other just as catholic and protestants in NI do. If there were a God surely he would have stopped all the killing in his name.[/p][/quote]The same book with tell you that the tribes of Israel were scattered and banished from 'the Promised Land.' You are correct in that Islam was not created till a considerable time after the death of Jesus, but you appear to be unaware that those who chose Islam were, until that time, Jews. They were one of the tribes of Israel.[/p][/quote]can i add to that a little, if moses was real then he arrived well after the Palistines arrival in the area a pagan group of merchant seamen and learned people from the very early days of the greek era before classical greece, the Jewish faith had not even been invented. The Eygptian unifcation of the nile had not even happen it was in of a state of 6 major ruling tribes, One of the ideas how Eygpt first came about was because of the early travelers from greece, unting the tribes though marrage to the greeks.[/p][/quote]Goto 10 Tony Blair's Accountant
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10:25am Sat 2 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger
Perhaps you ought to contact the United Nations and inform them about your findings and how they have so badly misled the world with their inaccurate records. I'm in awe of you and how you alone can expose so many secrets that no-one else can uncover and you always protect the sources of your information.
Prehaps you should read article 181 in full and not the tiny bits that suit you, It was in 1948 that the UN reconise the Israel Government, They aprove the State of Isreal in Nov 1947 article 181 signed but at that time Isreal never had a Government, and in Dec that year Isreal invaded the rest of Palistine, Palistine did not have an armed forces where as Isreal did and it was well trained and armed the conflict lasted about a year. If you go to the UN home page you can find maps of the area one for every year from 1945 to 1950 showing Isreal expansion, Isrealites started bombing in 1945 killing incent people women and kids as well as adult males, in 1946 they bomb a cafe where British Troops hang out they did not care who they killed and still don't.
When I wrote 'created on May 14th 1948' I assumed that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would realise that months of work had gone in to the resolution. I apologise for over-crediting you with that level of understanding. The Resolution has no parts that are more beneficial than others in that it was written and accepted as the transitional document that saw the British Mandate of Palestine become the State of Israel. Pure and simple. As there was no State of Israel prior to this date, there couldn't have been a well trained Israeli army or an expansionist war that lasted for a year. Perhaps you are confused, not for the first time about groups like the Stern Gang, the Haganah and the Irgun which were irregular forces similar to the IRA which like all freedom fighters were able to punch well above their weight without the restrictions that held back the British Army at the time,. Its quite clear to anyone that you now see this as another 'class battle' to be won by saying anything that you think without realising that readers might actually take two minutes to check your' facts' and catch you out again. You may now write more twaddle so that you can say you had the last word, however outrageous your assertions, I won't waste my energy replying.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to contact the United Nations and inform them about your findings and how they have so badly misled the world with their inaccurate records. I'm in awe of you and how you alone can expose so many secrets that no-one else can uncover and you always protect the sources of your information.[/p][/quote]Prehaps you should read article 181 in full and not the tiny bits that suit you, It was in 1948 that the UN reconise the Israel Government, They aprove the State of Isreal in Nov 1947 article 181 signed but at that time Isreal never had a Government, and in Dec that year Isreal invaded the rest of Palistine, Palistine did not have an armed forces where as Isreal did and it was well trained and armed the conflict lasted about a year. If you go to the UN home page you can find maps of the area one for every year from 1945 to 1950 showing Isreal expansion, Isrealites started bombing in 1945 killing incent people women and kids as well as adult males, in 1946 they bomb a cafe where British Troops hang out they did not care who they killed and still don't.[/p][/quote]When I wrote 'created on May 14th 1948' I assumed that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would realise that months of work had gone in to the resolution. I apologise for over-crediting you with that level of understanding. The Resolution has no parts that are more beneficial than others in that it was written and accepted as the transitional document that saw the British Mandate of Palestine become the State of Israel. Pure and simple. As there was no State of Israel prior to this date, there couldn't have been a well trained Israeli army or an expansionist war that lasted for a year. Perhaps you are confused, not for the first time about groups like the Stern Gang, the Haganah and the Irgun which were irregular forces similar to the IRA which like all freedom fighters were able to punch well above their weight without the restrictions that held back the British Army at the time,. Its quite clear to anyone that you now see this as another 'class battle' to be won by saying anything that you think without realising that readers might actually take two minutes to check your' facts' and catch you out again. You may now write more twaddle so that you can say you had the last word, however outrageous your assertions, I won't waste my energy replying. Torchie1
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10:47am Sat 2 Aug 14

Quizbook says...

Regardless of the argy-bargy about how it started, kids are suffering now !

Lets all do what we can to stop it.

Contact your MP, sign petitions online, and make clear to your friends and family that you oppose it.
Regardless of the argy-bargy about how it started, kids are suffering now ! Lets all do what we can to stop it. Contact your MP, sign petitions online, and make clear to your friends and family that you oppose it. Quizbook
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11:57am Sat 2 Aug 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Remember how this conflict kicked off - :

The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel.

Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here.

Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence.

Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza.

Southampton will show solidarity with Israel

Israel is a free open democracy
From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago.

I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.
I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.
1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger
Perhaps you ought to contact the United Nations and inform them about your findings and how they have so badly misled the world with their inaccurate records. I'm in awe of you and how you alone can expose so many secrets that no-one else can uncover and you always protect the sources of your information.
Prehaps you should read article 181 in full and not the tiny bits that suit you, It was in 1948 that the UN reconise the Israel Government, They aprove the State of Isreal in Nov 1947 article 181 signed but at that time Isreal never had a Government, and in Dec that year Isreal invaded the rest of Palistine, Palistine did not have an armed forces where as Isreal did and it was well trained and armed the conflict lasted about a year. If you go to the UN home page you can find maps of the area one for every year from 1945 to 1950 showing Isreal expansion, Isrealites started bombing in 1945 killing incent people women and kids as well as adult males, in 1946 they bomb a cafe where British Troops hang out they did not care who they killed and still don't.
When I wrote 'created on May 14th 1948' I assumed that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would realise that months of work had gone in to the resolution. I apologise for over-crediting you with that level of understanding. The Resolution has no parts that are more beneficial than others in that it was written and accepted as the transitional document that saw the British Mandate of Palestine become the State of Israel. Pure and simple. As there was no State of Israel prior to this date, there couldn't have been a well trained Israeli army or an expansionist war that lasted for a year. Perhaps you are confused, not for the first time about groups like the Stern Gang, the Haganah and the Irgun which were irregular forces similar to the IRA which like all freedom fighters were able to punch well above their weight without the restrictions that held back the British Army at the time,. Its quite clear to anyone that you now see this as another 'class battle' to be won by saying anything that you think without realising that readers might actually take two minutes to check your' facts' and catch you out again. You may now write more twaddle so that you can say you had the last word, however outrageous your assertions, I won't waste my energy replying.
Read article 181 in full not part, First it the state the UN approve of 1947, then its the government the UN reconises 1948, between the time of the approved state and reconised government Israel was Military controlled.
It was during WWII that the European Jews got trained as a military force, by the English, Freefrench, USA and Russians and on demob they where sent to / or went to Palistine to set up the state of Isreal and they was also armed by the same people who trained them. They are not Freedom fighters they was terrorist that was back by the wwii allaince, in which dec 1947 joined up forces with the regular force that started the invasion of the rest of Palistine.
Before the Euporean Jews arrived this area was peaceful they all lived and work together, but by the end of 1945 that had started to change, in 1946 there was a state of Isreal unapproved by the UN it also had a government made up from military. the state was approved by the UN in nov 1947 but not the military government, !948 saw the reconisation of the Government and Isreal being allowed to join the UN on a set date.

There are 193 states that are reconises by the UN, and there are another 16 states with there own governments that are not reconised by the UN.
A state can excise with out the reconastion of the UN. The UN lays down a mandate if a state wishes to join the UN and it is done in stages, and it was the stages that I was pointing out to you on Israel on joining the UN.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Remember how this conflict kicked off - : The Hamas war machine fired 2,000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel. Southampton would go berserk if rockets landed here. Israel has a moral & legal right to self-defence. Hamas with their racist apartheid ideology want to kil all Israelis. It has no territorial claims on Gaza. Southampton will show solidarity with Israel Israel is a free open democracy[/p][/quote]From a history that includes the creation of Israel in 1946, followed by its progressive enlargement at the expense of Palestine lands, you see the start of the conflict as an action two weeks ago. I wonder if you are ignorant, or you are being deliberately selective in the information you post. Either way, you're not much of a historian.[/p][/quote]I think you are on very shaky ground accusing another of ignorance of history when Israel didn't become a sovereign state until May 1948. Almost immediately a joint force of Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and Palestinians attacked the new state and came away with a bloody nose, and new borders were created as happens in most wars. If the Arab neighbours had chosen to negotiate in 1948 instead of attacking, the whole area might be different today. Your knowledge of the situation suggests that some greater understanding is required.[/p][/quote]1948 was when the UN reconise the Government of Israel, it was in Nov 1947 when Israel declared it self a state with UN approval and a mth after went to war invading to make the state larger[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to contact the United Nations and inform them about your findings and how they have so badly misled the world with their inaccurate records. I'm in awe of you and how you alone can expose so many secrets that no-one else can uncover and you always protect the sources of your information.[/p][/quote]Prehaps you should read article 181 in full and not the tiny bits that suit you, It was in 1948 that the UN reconise the Israel Government, They aprove the State of Isreal in Nov 1947 article 181 signed but at that time Isreal never had a Government, and in Dec that year Isreal invaded the rest of Palistine, Palistine did not have an armed forces where as Isreal did and it was well trained and armed the conflict lasted about a year. If you go to the UN home page you can find maps of the area one for every year from 1945 to 1950 showing Isreal expansion, Isrealites started bombing in 1945 killing incent people women and kids as well as adult males, in 1946 they bomb a cafe where British Troops hang out they did not care who they killed and still don't.[/p][/quote]When I wrote 'created on May 14th 1948' I assumed that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would realise that months of work had gone in to the resolution. I apologise for over-crediting you with that level of understanding. The Resolution has no parts that are more beneficial than others in that it was written and accepted as the transitional document that saw the British Mandate of Palestine become the State of Israel. Pure and simple. As there was no State of Israel prior to this date, there couldn't have been a well trained Israeli army or an expansionist war that lasted for a year. Perhaps you are confused, not for the first time about groups like the Stern Gang, the Haganah and the Irgun which were irregular forces similar to the IRA which like all freedom fighters were able to punch well above their weight without the restrictions that held back the British Army at the time,. Its quite clear to anyone that you now see this as another 'class battle' to be won by saying anything that you think without realising that readers might actually take two minutes to check your' facts' and catch you out again. You may now write more twaddle so that you can say you had the last word, however outrageous your assertions, I won't waste my energy replying.[/p][/quote]Read article 181 in full not part, First it the state the UN approve of 1947, then its the government the UN reconises 1948, between the time of the approved state and reconised government Israel was Military controlled. It was during WWII that the European Jews got trained as a military force, by the English, Freefrench, USA and Russians and on demob they where sent to / or went to Palistine to set up the state of Isreal and they was also armed by the same people who trained them. They are not Freedom fighters they was terrorist that was back by the wwii allaince, in which dec 1947 joined up forces with the regular force that started the invasion of the rest of Palistine. Before the Euporean Jews arrived this area was peaceful they all lived and work together, but by the end of 1945 that had started to change, in 1946 there was a state of Isreal unapproved by the UN it also had a government made up from military. the state was approved by the UN in nov 1947 but not the military government, !948 saw the reconisation of the Government and Isreal being allowed to join the UN on a set date. There are 193 states that are reconises by the UN, and there are another 16 states with there own governments that are not reconised by the UN. A state can excise with out the reconastion of the UN. The UN lays down a mandate if a state wishes to join the UN and it is done in stages, and it was the stages that I was pointing out to you on Israel on joining the UN. southy
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1:28pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

It is shocking certain supposedly socialists along with their opposite numbers are more keen on proving that they know more history of Middle East than the other side rather than more than thinking about many innocent civilians including many children who are being killed and injured in Gaza and comparatively few casualties in Israel not due to lack of trying by Hamas but just because Isreal has much better defences.

Whether anybody likes it or not fact is the Palistinian was divided, and people on both sides have the right to live in peace, but unfortunately both sides have elements within them who appear to have other ideas. They only end up by contributing to the profits of arms manufactures instead of spending the resources on making life better for all the human population of the area.

Until so called big powers of this planet stop supporting their favourite puppets in the Middle East and openly or secretly taking sides people of the region will keep on suffering.

International community should be pressurised by decent people to put pressure on factions involved in fighting to cool down.

That is why those who are protesting against this conflict deserve support, but the organisers should also make sure that the campaign for peace is not exploited by anti-Semite or Islamophobic elements. Exploitation of religions for dirty politics has already created these problems, it should not be tolerated by organisers of any demo.
It is shocking certain supposedly socialists along with their opposite numbers are more keen on proving that they know more history of Middle East than the other side rather than more than thinking about many innocent civilians including many children who are being killed and injured in Gaza and comparatively few casualties in Israel not due to lack of trying by Hamas but just because Isreal has much better defences. Whether anybody likes it or not fact is the Palistinian was divided, and people on both sides have the right to live in peace, but unfortunately both sides have elements within them who appear to have other ideas. They only end up by contributing to the profits of arms manufactures instead of spending the resources on making life better for all the human population of the area. Until so called big powers of this planet stop supporting their favourite puppets in the Middle East and openly or secretly taking sides people of the region will keep on suffering. International community should be pressurised by decent people to put pressure on factions involved in fighting to cool down. That is why those who are protesting against this conflict deserve support, but the organisers should also make sure that the campaign for peace is not exploited by anti-Semite or Islamophobic elements. Exploitation of religions for dirty politics has already created these problems, it should not be tolerated by organisers of any demo. Paramjit Bahia
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1:40pm Sat 2 Aug 14

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is shocking certain supposedly socialists along with their opposite numbers are more keen on proving that they know more history of Middle East than the other side rather than more than thinking about many innocent civilians including many children who are being killed and injured in Gaza and comparatively few casualties in Israel not due to lack of trying by Hamas but just because Isreal has much better defences.

Whether anybody likes it or not fact is the Palistinian was divided, and people on both sides have the right to live in peace, but unfortunately both sides have elements within them who appear to have other ideas. They only end up by contributing to the profits of arms manufactures instead of spending the resources on making life better for all the human population of the area.

Until so called big powers of this planet stop supporting their favourite puppets in the Middle East and openly or secretly taking sides people of the region will keep on suffering.

International community should be pressurised by decent people to put pressure on factions involved in fighting to cool down.

That is why those who are protesting against this conflict deserve support, but the organisers should also make sure that the campaign for peace is not exploited by anti-Semite or Islamophobic elements. Exploitation of religions for dirty politics has already created these problems, it should not be tolerated by organisers of any demo.
The middle east is a complicated, but to know the reasons and a bit about the history go's a long way to helping on how to stop the killing going on. and yes i agree with you on those who will exploited peacefull demo's and those in power causing a lot of problems
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is shocking certain supposedly socialists along with their opposite numbers are more keen on proving that they know more history of Middle East than the other side rather than more than thinking about many innocent civilians including many children who are being killed and injured in Gaza and comparatively few casualties in Israel not due to lack of trying by Hamas but just because Isreal has much better defences. Whether anybody likes it or not fact is the Palistinian was divided, and people on both sides have the right to live in peace, but unfortunately both sides have elements within them who appear to have other ideas. They only end up by contributing to the profits of arms manufactures instead of spending the resources on making life better for all the human population of the area. Until so called big powers of this planet stop supporting their favourite puppets in the Middle East and openly or secretly taking sides people of the region will keep on suffering. International community should be pressurised by decent people to put pressure on factions involved in fighting to cool down. That is why those who are protesting against this conflict deserve support, but the organisers should also make sure that the campaign for peace is not exploited by anti-Semite or Islamophobic elements. Exploitation of religions for dirty politics has already created these problems, it should not be tolerated by organisers of any demo.[/p][/quote]The middle east is a complicated, but to know the reasons and a bit about the history go's a long way to helping on how to stop the killing going on. and yes i agree with you on those who will exploited peacefull demo's and those in power causing a lot of problems southy
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