£40m arts complex starts to take shape in Southampton

The arts complex under construction in central Southampton.

Tyrrell and Green used to stand on the site.

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

THIS is the striking view in central Southampton as construction work continues on the city’s £40 million new arts complex development.

Work started at the site of the former Tyrrell and Green store in Above Bar in November and the new complex is on course to open in early 2016.

And already the development, which will offer auditoria, galleries, bars, restaurants and plush flats, is starting to take shape.

The city council and developer Grosvenor teamed up to deliver the scheme, which will transform the face of the city’s emerging cultural quarter, based around Guildhall Square and the Civic Centre.

When it opens the £21 million arts complex will feature two auditoria to host a variety of dramatic performances and galleries for new exhibitions as well as state-of-the-art film and media facilities.

And the development around it will contain seven ground-floor restaurants and 38 one, two and three-bedroom apartments over seven floors, which will enjoy stunning views over the city centre.

The apartments will be launched this September by sales agents Savills and some are expected to be completed next summer.

Grosvenor’s project director Simon Armstrong said: “One of the joys of living in the centre of a major city like Southampton are the dramatic views.

“To the west the cruise ships rise from Southampton Water and in the east the parks compliment the scene perfectly.

“There will be nothing else offering the same appeal in the centre of town so close to all the amenities – this development really is a one-off.

“Work is progressing well and the building is now beginning to emerge above the perimeter hoarding.

“The residential part of the scheme will be completed by the summer of 2015 and the arts complex will be handed over to the council for their fit out in February 2015 and will open in Spring 2016.”

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10:46am Mon 4 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Fantastic to see this derelict site finally being re-developed into what will be a wonderful arts complex ....
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At long last this great City is beginning to move forward after being dragged backwards for too many years ....... Now starting to breath fresh air into an area of the City that has been too long neglected
Fantastic to see this derelict site finally being re-developed into what will be a wonderful arts complex .... . At long last this great City is beginning to move forward after being dragged backwards for too many years ....... Now starting to breath fresh air into an area of the City that has been too long neglected Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 16

11:13am Mon 4 Aug 14

ToastyTea says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fantastic to see this derelict site finally being re-developed into what will be a wonderful arts complex ....
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At long last this great City is beginning to move forward after being dragged backwards for too many years ....... Now starting to breath fresh air into an area of the City that has been too long neglected
Totally agree, great seeing some changes finally starting to take place. is just a shame it has taken so long to do something with this derelict space. Now they should get on and focus on other areas like Ocean Village and the waste area where Meridian studios used to be.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fantastic to see this derelict site finally being re-developed into what will be a wonderful arts complex .... . At long last this great City is beginning to move forward after being dragged backwards for too many years ....... Now starting to breath fresh air into an area of the City that has been too long neglected[/p][/quote]Totally agree, great seeing some changes finally starting to take place. is just a shame it has taken so long to do something with this derelict space. Now they should get on and focus on other areas like Ocean Village and the waste area where Meridian studios used to be. ToastyTea
  • Score: 16

11:21am Mon 4 Aug 14

George4th says...

This Arts Complex will sit neatly into a cultural area that already has the wonderful SeaCity Museum.

This is the glorious legacy left by the last council.............
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Add our first class Art Gallery and the Beautifully equipped Library and you can see why this was earmarked to be the Cultural Quarter.

Excellent!
This Arts Complex will sit neatly into a cultural area that already has the wonderful SeaCity Museum. This is the glorious legacy left by the last council............. ............... Add our first class Art Gallery and the Beautifully equipped Library and you can see why this was earmarked to be the Cultural Quarter. Excellent! George4th
  • Score: 2

1:25pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Terry_Nutkins says...

Glad the council have sanctioned something the city is crying out for, more bars, restaurants and flats. Still, the media centre is a good idea although this will only likely be a small portion of the redevelopment. I guess parking won't come with the flats unless they go underground in which case, they can fleece any potential residents with day-time and night-time parking charges.
Glad the council have sanctioned something the city is crying out for, more bars, restaurants and flats. Still, the media centre is a good idea although this will only likely be a small portion of the redevelopment. I guess parking won't come with the flats unless they go underground in which case, they can fleece any potential residents with day-time and night-time parking charges. Terry_Nutkins
  • Score: 1

2:24pm Mon 4 Aug 14

ToastyTea says...

Terry_Nutkins wrote:
Glad the council have sanctioned something the city is crying out for, more bars, restaurants and flats. Still, the media centre is a good idea although this will only likely be a small portion of the redevelopment. I guess parking won't come with the flats unless they go underground in which case, they can fleece any potential residents with day-time and night-time parking charges.
there really isn't that many good options for restaurants in town, especially not right in the centre surprisingly (ie near the high street) so the more the better.
[quote][p][bold]Terry_Nutkins[/bold] wrote: Glad the council have sanctioned something the city is crying out for, more bars, restaurants and flats. Still, the media centre is a good idea although this will only likely be a small portion of the redevelopment. I guess parking won't come with the flats unless they go underground in which case, they can fleece any potential residents with day-time and night-time parking charges.[/p][/quote]there really isn't that many good options for restaurants in town, especially not right in the centre surprisingly (ie near the high street) so the more the better. ToastyTea
  • Score: 3

2:36pm Mon 4 Aug 14

southy says...

In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.
In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box. southy
  • Score: 2

2:40pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Sea Museum .......
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= Roston Smith's ego =
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= Tory Legacy =
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= Southampton Taxpayers Millstone .....
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Sea Museum ....... . = Roston Smith's ego = . = Tory Legacy = . = Southampton Taxpayers Millstone ..... . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -5

2:50pm Mon 4 Aug 14

sotonboy84 says...

southy wrote:
In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.
It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa.

There's images on the Arts Complex website.

http://www.cultureso
uthampton.org.uk/new
-arts-complex
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.[/p][/quote]It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa. There's images on the Arts Complex website. http://www.cultureso uthampton.org.uk/new -arts-complex sotonboy84
  • Score: 4

3:02pm Mon 4 Aug 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

As others have said, this is truly a fantastic addition to our great City, but can the powers that be, please get rid of that horrible, tacky, feeble excuse for a "market" that blights our pedestrian zone Above and Below Bar!
As others have said, this is truly a fantastic addition to our great City, but can the powers that be, please get rid of that horrible, tacky, feeble excuse for a "market" that blights our pedestrian zone Above and Below Bar! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 8

3:17pm Mon 4 Aug 14

southy says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
southy wrote:
In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.
It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa.

There's images on the Arts Complex website.

http://www.cultureso

uthampton.org.uk/new

-arts-complex
Don't put to much in the imagery, it will end up like the Cumbrain way protray image and I blame the Tory and Labour council for not keeping there word over this council land sale off to the private sector.
The promise was that there would be 10 shops to replace the shops that have gone and there will be council homes built plus private sector homes and an image to say what it would look like. It looks nothing like the image and there are no shops and no council homes.
Even low it was ordered by the Tory Council it should off been the Labour council to make sure that did happen they have failed to do so.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.[/p][/quote]It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa. There's images on the Arts Complex website. http://www.cultureso uthampton.org.uk/new -arts-complex[/p][/quote]Don't put to much in the imagery, it will end up like the Cumbrain way protray image and I blame the Tory and Labour council for not keeping there word over this council land sale off to the private sector. The promise was that there would be 10 shops to replace the shops that have gone and there will be council homes built plus private sector homes and an image to say what it would look like. It looks nothing like the image and there are no shops and no council homes. Even low it was ordered by the Tory Council it should off been the Labour council to make sure that did happen they have failed to do so. southy
  • Score: -6

3:26pm Mon 4 Aug 14

03alpe01 says...

ToastyTea wrote:
Terry_Nutkins wrote:
Glad the council have sanctioned something the city is crying out for, more bars, restaurants and flats. Still, the media centre is a good idea although this will only likely be a small portion of the redevelopment. I guess parking won't come with the flats unless they go underground in which case, they can fleece any potential residents with day-time and night-time parking charges.
there really isn't that many good options for restaurants in town, especially not right in the centre surprisingly (ie near the high street) so the more the better.
Don't worry, we'll be well and truly overloaded with nice posh fancy restaurants once West Quay Phase 3 arrives!
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Terry_Nutkins[/bold] wrote: Glad the council have sanctioned something the city is crying out for, more bars, restaurants and flats. Still, the media centre is a good idea although this will only likely be a small portion of the redevelopment. I guess parking won't come with the flats unless they go underground in which case, they can fleece any potential residents with day-time and night-time parking charges.[/p][/quote]there really isn't that many good options for restaurants in town, especially not right in the centre surprisingly (ie near the high street) so the more the better.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, we'll be well and truly overloaded with nice posh fancy restaurants once West Quay Phase 3 arrives! 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Mon 4 Aug 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
southy wrote:
In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.
It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa.

There's images on the Arts Complex website.

http://www.cultureso


uthampton.org.uk/new


-arts-complex
Don't put to much in the imagery, it will end up like the Cumbrain way protray image and I blame the Tory and Labour council for not keeping there word over this council land sale off to the private sector.
The promise was that there would be 10 shops to replace the shops that have gone and there will be council homes built plus private sector homes and an image to say what it would look like. It looks nothing like the image and there are no shops and no council homes.
Even low it was ordered by the Tory Council it should off been the Labour council to make sure that did happen they have failed to do so.
The 10 shops were replaced by one big one....
Tescos!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.[/p][/quote]It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa. There's images on the Arts Complex website. http://www.cultureso uthampton.org.uk/new -arts-complex[/p][/quote]Don't put to much in the imagery, it will end up like the Cumbrain way protray image and I blame the Tory and Labour council for not keeping there word over this council land sale off to the private sector. The promise was that there would be 10 shops to replace the shops that have gone and there will be council homes built plus private sector homes and an image to say what it would look like. It looks nothing like the image and there are no shops and no council homes. Even low it was ordered by the Tory Council it should off been the Labour council to make sure that did happen they have failed to do so.[/p][/quote]The 10 shops were replaced by one big one.... Tescos!! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 0

6:12pm Mon 4 Aug 14

loosehead says...

Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place.
It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money?
So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool?
It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool.
Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .
Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place. It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money? So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool? It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool. Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are . loosehead
  • Score: 1

6:15pm Mon 4 Aug 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
southy wrote:
In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.
It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa.

There's images on the Arts Complex website.

http://www.cultureso


uthampton.org.uk/new


-arts-complex
Don't put to much in the imagery, it will end up like the Cumbrain way protray image and I blame the Tory and Labour council for not keeping there word over this council land sale off to the private sector.
The promise was that there would be 10 shops to replace the shops that have gone and there will be council homes built plus private sector homes and an image to say what it would look like. It looks nothing like the image and there are no shops and no council homes.
Even low it was ordered by the Tory Council it should off been the Labour council to make sure that did happen they have failed to do so.
Soutrhy why flats at all? surely this could be a great art & cultural quarter & maybe we could have moved the Art gallery here so they could exhibit more art ?
Maybe then the old art gallery could be incorporated into the museum to show our history of planes as well as maritime?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.[/p][/quote]It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa. There's images on the Arts Complex website. http://www.cultureso uthampton.org.uk/new -arts-complex[/p][/quote]Don't put to much in the imagery, it will end up like the Cumbrain way protray image and I blame the Tory and Labour council for not keeping there word over this council land sale off to the private sector. The promise was that there would be 10 shops to replace the shops that have gone and there will be council homes built plus private sector homes and an image to say what it would look like. It looks nothing like the image and there are no shops and no council homes. Even low it was ordered by the Tory Council it should off been the Labour council to make sure that did happen they have failed to do so.[/p][/quote]Soutrhy why flats at all? surely this could be a great art & cultural quarter & maybe we could have moved the Art gallery here so they could exhibit more art ? Maybe then the old art gallery could be incorporated into the museum to show our history of planes as well as maritime? loosehead
  • Score: -5

7:12pm Mon 4 Aug 14

southy says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
southy wrote:
In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.
It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa.

There's images on the Arts Complex website.

http://www.cultureso



uthampton.org.uk/new



-arts-complex
Don't put to much in the imagery, it will end up like the Cumbrain way protray image and I blame the Tory and Labour council for not keeping there word over this council land sale off to the private sector.
The promise was that there would be 10 shops to replace the shops that have gone and there will be council homes built plus private sector homes and an image to say what it would look like. It looks nothing like the image and there are no shops and no council homes.
Even low it was ordered by the Tory Council it should off been the Labour council to make sure that did happen they have failed to do so.
The 10 shops were replaced by one big one....
Tescos!!
Tesco replace nothing as Tesco was all ready there before they pulled down the shopping center, a promise that never happen as one of the new shops was to be the liberary
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: In a way its a shame to see that open gap being closed in, but some thing was needed to be done sooner or later and an art complex is good idea so long its free and open to all but have a donations box.[/p][/quote]It won't be closed in, there will still be an opening so you can see through to the park from the Guildhall and vice versa. There's images on the Arts Complex website. http://www.cultureso uthampton.org.uk/new -arts-complex[/p][/quote]Don't put to much in the imagery, it will end up like the Cumbrain way protray image and I blame the Tory and Labour council for not keeping there word over this council land sale off to the private sector. The promise was that there would be 10 shops to replace the shops that have gone and there will be council homes built plus private sector homes and an image to say what it would look like. It looks nothing like the image and there are no shops and no council homes. Even low it was ordered by the Tory Council it should off been the Labour council to make sure that did happen they have failed to do so.[/p][/quote]The 10 shops were replaced by one big one.... Tescos!![/p][/quote]Tesco replace nothing as Tesco was all ready there before they pulled down the shopping center, a promise that never happen as one of the new shops was to be the liberary southy
  • Score: -2

8:29pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place.
It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money?
So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool?
It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool.
Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .
Wrong again ......
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place. It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money? So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool? It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool. Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .[/p][/quote]Wrong again ...... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -7

9:04pm Mon 4 Aug 14

loosehead says...

Lets get it right Arts/Cultural Quarter thought up by Labour ? really? what about all the negative posts & articles from the left & Labour party members & the obstruction of selling off a couple of pieces of art to finance it ?
Who was that ? The Tory council. yet when Labour won the council they then looked at selling the same art they objected to the tories selling. they then paid the difference borrowing the money to pay for it.
Now when the Tories borrowed money to pay for Sea City Museum Labour & it's members were on here going mad yet the Tories found a way to pay off that loan & put £5million into Front line services so why no attacks on this council for putting us in debt?
Personally I think this combined with the Museum & our historic buildings & ruins should be a good visitor attraction.
Lets get it right Arts/Cultural Quarter thought up by Labour ? really? what about all the negative posts & articles from the left & Labour party members & the obstruction of selling off a couple of pieces of art to finance it ? Who was that ? The Tory council. yet when Labour won the council they then looked at selling the same art they objected to the tories selling. they then paid the difference borrowing the money to pay for it. Now when the Tories borrowed money to pay for Sea City Museum Labour & it's members were on here going mad yet the Tories found a way to pay off that loan & put £5million into Front line services so why no attacks on this council for putting us in debt? Personally I think this combined with the Museum & our historic buildings & ruins should be a good visitor attraction. loosehead
  • Score: 1

6:31am Tue 5 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place.
It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money?
So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool?
It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool.
Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .
Unsurprisingly it is quite clear that once again that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the Culture Qtr project.
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The bulk of your post is factually incorrect and laced with false facts to try an score some cheap political point
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place. It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money? So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool? It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool. Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .[/p][/quote]Unsurprisingly it is quite clear that once again that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the Culture Qtr project. . The bulk of your post is factually incorrect and laced with false facts to try an score some cheap political point Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

7:33am Tue 5 Aug 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place.
It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money?
So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool?
It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool.
Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .
Unsurprisingly it is quite clear that once again that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the Culture Qtr project.
.
The bulk of your post is factually incorrect and laced with false facts to try an score some cheap political point
So weren't you trying to take all the credit as a Labour supporter? I was trying to show how in opposition your party opposed this project are you denying that?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place. It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money? So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool? It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool. Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .[/p][/quote]Unsurprisingly it is quite clear that once again that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the Culture Qtr project. . The bulk of your post is factually incorrect and laced with false facts to try an score some cheap political point[/p][/quote]So weren't you trying to take all the credit as a Labour supporter? I was trying to show how in opposition your party opposed this project are you denying that? loosehead
  • Score: 1

7:51am Tue 5 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place.
It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money?
So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool?
It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool.
Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .
Unsurprisingly it is quite clear that once again that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the Culture Qtr project.
.
The bulk of your post is factually incorrect and laced with false facts to try an score some cheap political point
So weren't you trying to take all the credit as a Labour supporter? I was trying to show how in opposition your party opposed this project are you denying that?
My first post at the top of the page makes no mention of any politcal party.
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.... and you are also incorrect to state that it was opposed !! ....... How can it be as it was first proposed by Labour ....
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I suggest you research correctly as it cuts out guesswork and fabrication of the truth
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place. It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money? So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool? It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool. Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .[/p][/quote]Unsurprisingly it is quite clear that once again that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the Culture Qtr project. . The bulk of your post is factually incorrect and laced with false facts to try an score some cheap political point[/p][/quote]So weren't you trying to take all the credit as a Labour supporter? I was trying to show how in opposition your party opposed this project are you denying that?[/p][/quote]My first post at the top of the page makes no mention of any politcal party. . .... and you are also incorrect to state that it was opposed !! ....... How can it be as it was first proposed by Labour .... . I suggest you research correctly as it cuts out guesswork and fabrication of the truth Lone Ranger.
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6:23pm Tue 5 Aug 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place.
It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money?
So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool?
It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool.
Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .
Unsurprisingly it is quite clear that once again that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the Culture Qtr project.
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The bulk of your post is factually incorrect and laced with false facts to try an score some cheap political point
So weren't you trying to take all the credit as a Labour supporter? I was trying to show how in opposition your party opposed this project are you denying that?
My first post at the top of the page makes no mention of any politcal party.
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.... and you are also incorrect to state that it was opposed !! ....... How can it be as it was first proposed by Labour ....
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I suggest you research correctly as it cuts out guesswork and fabrication of the truth
I've read many left wing posts in this paper on this subject opposing it.
It was your party that opposed the sell of some art pieces to pay for it yet once in power then looked into selling those pieces so again double talk from Labour.
You get on with Southy just remind me what he said about it?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Arts Complex was slated when the Tories started it,Labour in power decided to continue the Tories great vision so thankfully this project took place. It was started by the Tories & don't forget they were looking to well a couple of pieces of art to make up the shortfall so exactly where did Labour get this money? So now we have a huge chunk of town with an Art Complex A museum highlighting Southamptons past with a decent cafe so will visitors to the city look at all there is on offer as they do in Peel Ports Liverpool? It will be down to the council to highlight what we have to offer get in contact with the Hotels & cruise companies & put up a flyer showing these & our historic sites as they do in Liverpool. Or they as their party members can boast about a project started under the Tories but slate the sea city museum instead of boasting about what a great asset both are .[/p][/quote]Unsurprisingly it is quite clear that once again that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the Culture Qtr project. . The bulk of your post is factually incorrect and laced with false facts to try an score some cheap political point[/p][/quote]So weren't you trying to take all the credit as a Labour supporter? I was trying to show how in opposition your party opposed this project are you denying that?[/p][/quote]My first post at the top of the page makes no mention of any politcal party. . .... and you are also incorrect to state that it was opposed !! ....... How can it be as it was first proposed by Labour .... . I suggest you research correctly as it cuts out guesswork and fabrication of the truth[/p][/quote]I've read many left wing posts in this paper on this subject opposing it. It was your party that opposed the sell of some art pieces to pay for it yet once in power then looked into selling those pieces so again double talk from Labour. You get on with Southy just remind me what he said about it? loosehead
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11:52am Sat 9 Aug 14

Dan Soton says...

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A bad case of pollution denial ?... “To the west the cruise ships rise from Southampton Water and in the east the parks compliment the scene perfectly.



SHORESIDE ELECTRICITY OR FLYWHEEL ENERGY STORAGE FOR SHIPPING ?


Quote Echo August 2008.. SHIPS docking in Southampton could be plugged into an onshore power supply or made to run on cleaner fuel to cut harmful diesel polluting the city.

It was estimated as many as 60,000 deaths a year worldwide are caused by emissions of ships running on cheap, sulphur-rich fuel called bunker oil.

By forcing ships berthed in Southampton to switch off their generators and plug into shoreside electricity, emissions being blown into the city would be dramatically reduced.

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/environm
ent/2429301.Shipping
_in_cleaner_air/



I'm probably a tad bit ahead (by about 10 years ) of the curve here.


On Sky TV a few years ago the Captain of MS Queen Victoria boasted that his ship's six diesel engines could power a City..

I say better than boasting... when MS Queen Victoria is under full steam those six diesel engines could power up a FLYWHEEL and when docked use it's stored energy to dramatically reduce diesel pollution in Southampton..


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,, A bad case of pollution denial ?... “To the west the cruise ships rise from Southampton Water and in the east the parks compliment the scene perfectly. SHORESIDE ELECTRICITY OR FLYWHEEL ENERGY STORAGE FOR SHIPPING ? Quote Echo August 2008.. SHIPS docking in Southampton could be plugged into an onshore power supply or made to run on cleaner fuel to cut harmful diesel polluting the city. It was estimated as many as 60,000 deaths a year worldwide are caused by emissions of ships running on cheap, sulphur-rich fuel called bunker oil. By forcing ships berthed in Southampton to switch off their generators and plug into shoreside electricity, emissions being blown into the city would be dramatically reduced. http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/environm ent/2429301.Shipping _in_cleaner_air/ I'm probably a tad bit ahead (by about 10 years ) of the curve here. On Sky TV a few years ago the Captain of MS Queen Victoria boasted that his ship's six diesel engines could power a City.. I say better than boasting... when MS Queen Victoria is under full steam those six diesel engines could power up a FLYWHEEL and when docked use it's stored energy to dramatically reduce diesel pollution in Southampton.. ,, Dan Soton
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11:53am Sat 9 Aug 14

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
,,

A bad case of pollution denial ?... “To the west the cruise ships rise from Southampton Water and in the east the parks compliment the scene perfectly.



SHORESIDE ELECTRICITY OR FLYWHEEL ENERGY STORAGE FOR SHIPPING ?


Quote Echo August 2008.. SHIPS docking in Southampton could be plugged into an onshore power supply or made to run on cleaner fuel to cut harmful diesel polluting the city.

It was estimated as many as 60,000 deaths a year worldwide are caused by emissions of ships running on cheap, sulphur-rich fuel called bunker oil.

By forcing ships berthed in Southampton to switch off their generators and plug into shoreside electricity, emissions being blown into the city would be dramatically reduced.

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/environm

ent/2429301.Shipping

_in_cleaner_air/



I'm probably a tad bit ahead (by about 10 years ) of the curve here.


On Sky TV a few years ago the Captain of MS Queen Victoria boasted that his ship's six diesel engines could power a City..

I say better than boasting... when MS Queen Victoria is under full steam those six diesel engines could power up a FLYWHEEL and when docked use it's stored energy to dramatically reduce diesel pollution in Southampton..


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Re: When berthed MS Queen Victoria ( all cruise ships / ferries ) could use a FLYWHEEL's stored energy to dramatically reduce diesel pollution in Southampton..





DEADLY CRUISE AND FERRY AIR EMISSIONS DEBATE: U.K. SHIPPING COMPANIES DECEIVE THE PUBLIC

Posted on June 19, 2014 by Jim Walker

New air emission regulations will shortly affect the U.K. shipping industry. Toxic sulfur emissions must be reduced to 0.1 per cent, from a current high of around 4.5 per cent, by January 1, 2015.

The reason for the new regulations is that high sulfur fuel contributes substantially to emphysema, lung disease, congestive heart failure, birth defects, and premature deaths.

The health risks posed by the cruise industry's use of high sulfur fuels are enormous.

A SINGLE CRUISE SHIP WILL EMIT THE SAME AMOUNT OF SULFUR DIOXIDE AS 13,100,000 (MILLION) CARS AND AS MUCH SOOT AS OVER 1,000,000 (MILLION) CARS.

P&O and other U.K. operators have had a long time to implement scrubber technology to protect the health of their passengers and crew and the general public. But they have persistently refused to do so.

http://www.cruiselaw
news.com/articles/po
llution-1/


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[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: ,, A bad case of pollution denial ?... “To the west the cruise ships rise from Southampton Water and in the east the parks compliment the scene perfectly. SHORESIDE ELECTRICITY OR FLYWHEEL ENERGY STORAGE FOR SHIPPING ? Quote Echo August 2008.. SHIPS docking in Southampton could be plugged into an onshore power supply or made to run on cleaner fuel to cut harmful diesel polluting the city. It was estimated as many as 60,000 deaths a year worldwide are caused by emissions of ships running on cheap, sulphur-rich fuel called bunker oil. By forcing ships berthed in Southampton to switch off their generators and plug into shoreside electricity, emissions being blown into the city would be dramatically reduced. http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/environm ent/2429301.Shipping _in_cleaner_air/ I'm probably a tad bit ahead (by about 10 years ) of the curve here. On Sky TV a few years ago the Captain of MS Queen Victoria boasted that his ship's six diesel engines could power a City.. I say better than boasting... when MS Queen Victoria is under full steam those six diesel engines could power up a FLYWHEEL and when docked use it's stored energy to dramatically reduce diesel pollution in Southampton.. ,,[/p][/quote],, Re: When berthed MS Queen Victoria ( all cruise ships / ferries ) could use a FLYWHEEL's stored energy to dramatically reduce diesel pollution in Southampton.. DEADLY CRUISE AND FERRY AIR EMISSIONS DEBATE: U.K. SHIPPING COMPANIES DECEIVE THE PUBLIC Posted on June 19, 2014 by Jim Walker New air emission regulations will shortly affect the U.K. shipping industry. Toxic sulfur emissions must be reduced to 0.1 per cent, from a current high of around 4.5 per cent, by January 1, 2015. The reason for the new regulations is that high sulfur fuel contributes substantially to emphysema, lung disease, congestive heart failure, birth defects, and premature deaths. The health risks posed by the cruise industry's use of high sulfur fuels are enormous. A SINGLE CRUISE SHIP WILL EMIT THE SAME AMOUNT OF SULFUR DIOXIDE AS 13,100,000 (MILLION) CARS AND AS MUCH SOOT AS OVER 1,000,000 (MILLION) CARS. P&O and other U.K. operators have had a long time to implement scrubber technology to protect the health of their passengers and crew and the general public. But they have persistently refused to do so. http://www.cruiselaw news.com/articles/po llution-1/ ,, Dan Soton
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