Wheelchair user refused bus travel

Duncan McDonald at Kendal Avenue bus stop with daughter Sharon Cluett.

Duncan McDonald at Kendal Avenue bus stop with daughter Sharon Cluett.

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Reporter

A PENSIONER trying to visit his critically ill wife in hospital was left at a bus stop after he claims a driver refused to make room for his wheelchair.

Duncan McDonald has criticised his treatment when he tried to board a bus in Southampton.

He claims the bus driver would not let them on the bus because it already had a pushchair in the same spot.

But he believes the driver could have resolved the problem by simply asking the pushchair owner to fold it down.

The 77-year-old, from Millbrook, was urgently trying to get Southampton General Hospital to see wife Ann, 76, who had undergone a major operation.

She was in intensive care and he had been called by the hospital to say she was asking for him.

So Mr McDonald and daughter Sharon Cluett, 49, went to the bus stop in Kendal Avenue to catch the 12 First bus service.

But when the bus pulled in there was already a pushchair in the spot used by wheelchairs.

Although Mr McDonald says he asked whether the bus driver could not ask the passenger with the pushchair to fold it down or move it to make room he says he refused then drove off.

Mr McDonald struggles to be put into cars so prefers to take the bus, which he has a free pass for because of his age.

He and his daughter then had to take a taxi instead, as the family does not have a car.

They have already contacted First about the incident and have been told they now need to make a formal complaint.

“I’m very angry,” said Mr McDonald, who worked for British Telecom for 20 years.

“It was very bad as I had to get up to the hospital.

“What happens if I’m at this bus stop in the pouring rain? What’s going to happen?”

Sharon said: “It’s disgusting, a wheelchair user is a paying customer – a pushchair is not.”

A spokeswoman for First said: “We are concerned to hear about the problem Mr McDonald experienced while trying to use one of our buses.

“We take our responsibilities as a public transport provider extremely seriously and have a clear policy regarding the carriage of wheelchairs.

“We have launched an internal investigation in to what has happened here and would urge Mr McDonald to contact us directly.”

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12:44pm Thu 7 Aug 14

TurquoiseJ says...

This happens too often.
Sometimes the pushchair is empty with toddler sitting on own seat, or worse running around on the bus.
Parents using pushchairs need to know how to quickly fold their pushchair.
Manufacturers need to stop making such big heavy cumbersome buggies as well.
This happens too often. Sometimes the pushchair is empty with toddler sitting on own seat, or worse running around on the bus. Parents using pushchairs need to know how to quickly fold their pushchair. Manufacturers need to stop making such big heavy cumbersome buggies as well. TurquoiseJ
  • Score: 29

12:45pm Thu 7 Aug 14

yellowhedgepig says...

A bus driver is exactly that A BUS DRIVER why do people assume that they have the power to make people move, if someone has paid for a ticket and occupied that space what is the driver supposed to do KICK THEM OFF. Then the paper would be reporting about how little 17 year old Tiffany was thrown of the bus with her 4 under 5's
A bus driver is exactly that A BUS DRIVER why do people assume that they have the power to make people move, if someone has paid for a ticket and occupied that space what is the driver supposed to do KICK THEM OFF. Then the paper would be reporting about how little 17 year old Tiffany was thrown of the bus with her 4 under 5's yellowhedgepig
  • Score: 42

12:51pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Proudmumoftwins says...

So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!! Proudmumoftwins
  • Score: 53

12:58pm Thu 7 Aug 14

*ay*carumba* says...

So what happens if the space was occupied by another wheelchair user? Would they be expected to get off because someone else's need was greater? The 12 goes every 15 minutes so not too long to wait for another.

Many times I have seen wheelchair users turned away because the space is occupied and no one else has made a fuss.
So what happens if the space was occupied by another wheelchair user? Would they be expected to get off because someone else's need was greater? The 12 goes every 15 minutes so not too long to wait for another. Many times I have seen wheelchair users turned away because the space is occupied and no one else has made a fuss. *ay*carumba*
  • Score: 48

12:58pm Thu 7 Aug 14

itsnotjustice says...

Fail to see why this is news..... It says he has a free bus pass because of his age, so he was not a paying customer either....
If people pay to get on the bus then they have a right to sit where ever they want and the driver cannot force anyone to move....Its upto the public to offer.... If this bus was full where was the mother and baby suppose to sit???

and whats the bit about rain got to do with it???? the stop quite clearly has a shelter....

some people just want to get in the news.
Fail to see why this is news..... It says he has a free bus pass because of his age, so he was not a paying customer either.... If people pay to get on the bus then they have a right to sit where ever they want and the driver cannot force anyone to move....Its upto the public to offer.... If this bus was full where was the mother and baby suppose to sit??? and whats the bit about rain got to do with it???? the stop quite clearly has a shelter.... some people just want to get in the news. itsnotjustice
  • Score: 45

12:58pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Emmajnich01 says...

Why doesnt he just wait for the next bus? This is a non story
Why doesnt he just wait for the next bus? This is a non story Emmajnich01
  • Score: 42

12:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

yellowhedgepig says...

Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
Every 15 minutes
[quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]Every 15 minutes yellowhedgepig
  • Score: 20

1:02pm Thu 7 Aug 14

mellowdude says...

Its unlucky that the space was already taken, and it's wrong to assume whether the push chair was occupied or not. Proper investigative journalism would have looked into this further and found out more about the situation.

If the space was genuinely taken, then that user couldn't have been expected to move or get off the bus.
Its unlucky that the space was already taken, and it's wrong to assume whether the push chair was occupied or not. Proper investigative journalism would have looked into this further and found out more about the situation. If the space was genuinely taken, then that user couldn't have been expected to move or get off the bus. mellowdude
  • Score: 20

1:04pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Frank28 says...

Bus companies must ensure that they can demonstrate that they are complying with the Equality Act.
Bus companies must ensure that they can demonstrate that they are complying with the Equality Act. Frank28
  • Score: -12

1:06pm Thu 7 Aug 14

KayleighJade says...

This guy is an absolute tit.

Mothers with pushchairs have just as much right to use the bus as he does, and they actually pay for their fares! Bus drivers should never have to ask paying customers to get off of the bus if there is no room, it's first come first serve!

If he's that concerned why doesn't he use his VAST DLA payments to use a bloody taxi.
This guy is an absolute tit. Mothers with pushchairs have just as much right to use the bus as he does, and they actually pay for their fares! Bus drivers should never have to ask paying customers to get off of the bus if there is no room, it's first come first serve! If he's that concerned why doesn't he use his VAST DLA payments to use a bloody taxi. KayleighJade
  • Score: 27

1:11pm Thu 7 Aug 14

massimoosti says...

Emmajnich01 wrote:
Why doesnt he just wait for the next bus? This is a non story
Bang on......... not as if he'd have to wait long.
[quote][p][bold]Emmajnich01[/bold] wrote: Why doesnt he just wait for the next bus? This is a non story[/p][/quote]Bang on......... not as if he'd have to wait long. massimoosti
  • Score: 20

1:32pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Hastagger says...

Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
Spot on - just a moan for the sake of it. Seems he was happy to be wheeled out to the bus stop for a picture for the DE, so can't be too much trouble getting there and back! If a bus is full, it is full. Loads of people pay and have to stand... why does he have any more right to the space than a pushchair. being a parent and going on the bus is very hard, if they folded the push chair down each time, there would no doubt be complaints about them holding up the bus while they unfolded it before getting off.

That said, most First bus drivers, are both arrogant and ignorant and cannot drive.
[quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]Spot on - just a moan for the sake of it. Seems he was happy to be wheeled out to the bus stop for a picture for the DE, so can't be too much trouble getting there and back! If a bus is full, it is full. Loads of people pay and have to stand... why does he have any more right to the space than a pushchair. being a parent and going on the bus is very hard, if they folded the push chair down each time, there would no doubt be complaints about them holding up the bus while they unfolded it before getting off. That said, most First bus drivers, are both arrogant and ignorant and cannot drive. Hastagger
  • Score: 15

1:34pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
[quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this. userds5050
  • Score: -42

1:37pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

KayleighJade wrote:
This guy is an absolute tit.

Mothers with pushchairs have just as much right to use the bus as he does, and they actually pay for their fares! Bus drivers should never have to ask paying customers to get off of the bus if there is no room, it's first come first serve!

If he's that concerned why doesn't he use his VAST DLA payments to use a bloody taxi.
"Mothers with pushchairs have just as much right to use the bus as he does" Wheelchair users have precedent by law over pushchairs ect... on public transport.
[quote][p][bold]KayleighJade[/bold] wrote: This guy is an absolute tit. Mothers with pushchairs have just as much right to use the bus as he does, and they actually pay for their fares! Bus drivers should never have to ask paying customers to get off of the bus if there is no room, it's first come first serve! If he's that concerned why doesn't he use his VAST DLA payments to use a bloody taxi.[/p][/quote]"Mothers with pushchairs have just as much right to use the bus as he does" Wheelchair users have precedent by law over pushchairs ect... on public transport. userds5050
  • Score: -23

1:40pm Thu 7 Aug 14

mecharacter says...

If it was as urgent as he says it was to visit his wife - no matter how hard it was to get into a car - I would try as hard as I could to get there fast by car. I would not be sitting around waiting for buses. I would order the fastest cab or ask family to help. This cannot be the first time he has come across this problem, the poor bus drivers hands were tied - where else are Mum's suppose to put their pushchairs?. The bus driver is not a mind reader and is not aware of any urgency this man had and even if he did he cannot clear a space if there is no space to clear. No matter how hard it was he should have got a cab, would not have cost must especially from Millbrook, the hospital is just up the road. Sorry
If it was as urgent as he says it was to visit his wife - no matter how hard it was to get into a car - I would try as hard as I could to get there fast by car. I would not be sitting around waiting for buses. I would order the fastest cab or ask family to help. This cannot be the first time he has come across this problem, the poor bus drivers hands were tied - where else are Mum's suppose to put their pushchairs?. The bus driver is not a mind reader and is not aware of any urgency this man had and even if he did he cannot clear a space if there is no space to clear. No matter how hard it was he should have got a cab, would not have cost must especially from Millbrook, the hospital is just up the road. Sorry mecharacter
  • Score: 19

1:43pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I can understand what you say if they (pushchairs and Wheelchairs) are boarding at exactly the same time , but, i am sure that it doesnt suggest that the pushchair has to basically get off the bus if a wheelchair gets on
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I can understand what you say if they (pushchairs and Wheelchairs) are boarding at exactly the same time , but, i am sure that it doesnt suggest that the pushchair has to basically get off the bus if a wheelchair gets on Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 14

1:46pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Gumbo82 says...

userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is Gumbo82
  • Score: 6

1:47pm Thu 7 Aug 14

KayleighJade says...

mecharacter wrote:
If it was as urgent as he says it was to visit his wife - no matter how hard it was to get into a car - I would try as hard as I could to get there fast by car. I would not be sitting around waiting for buses. I would order the fastest cab or ask family to help. This cannot be the first time he has come across this problem, the poor bus drivers hands were tied - where else are Mum's suppose to put their pushchairs?. The bus driver is not a mind reader and is not aware of any urgency this man had and even if he did he cannot clear a space if there is no space to clear. No matter how hard it was he should have got a cab, would not have cost must especially from Millbrook, the hospital is just up the road. Sorry
Quoted for truth
[quote][p][bold]mecharacter[/bold] wrote: If it was as urgent as he says it was to visit his wife - no matter how hard it was to get into a car - I would try as hard as I could to get there fast by car. I would not be sitting around waiting for buses. I would order the fastest cab or ask family to help. This cannot be the first time he has come across this problem, the poor bus drivers hands were tied - where else are Mum's suppose to put their pushchairs?. The bus driver is not a mind reader and is not aware of any urgency this man had and even if he did he cannot clear a space if there is no space to clear. No matter how hard it was he should have got a cab, would not have cost must especially from Millbrook, the hospital is just up the road. Sorry[/p][/quote]Quoted for truth KayleighJade
  • Score: 9

1:54pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I can understand what you say if they (pushchairs and Wheelchairs) are boarding at exactly the same time , but, i am sure that it doesnt suggest that the pushchair has to basically get off the bus if a wheelchair gets on
They don't have to get off. They just have to move the pushchair from the space designated for wheelchair users. Most pushchairs fold up these days.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I can understand what you say if they (pushchairs and Wheelchairs) are boarding at exactly the same time , but, i am sure that it doesnt suggest that the pushchair has to basically get off the bus if a wheelchair gets on[/p][/quote]They don't have to get off. They just have to move the pushchair from the space designated for wheelchair users. Most pushchairs fold up these days. userds5050
  • Score: 13

1:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

I suggest Mr McDonald sues First. They've got a history of this. A precedent has already been set.
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-lee
ds-24214346
I suggest Mr McDonald sues First. They've got a history of this. A precedent has already been set. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-lee ds-24214346 userds5050
  • Score: -16

2:06pm Thu 7 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

userds5050 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I can understand what you say if they (pushchairs and Wheelchairs) are boarding at exactly the same time , but, i am sure that it doesnt suggest that the pushchair has to basically get off the bus if a wheelchair gets on
They don't have to get off. They just have to move the pushchair from the space designated for wheelchair users. Most pushchairs fold up these days.
This is true. The space is designated for wheelchair users. Push chairs can be folded and if your kid is small enough to be in one then you can have them on your lap with no discomfort.

Having said that, an urgent call to a hospital doesn't scream "To the bus stop!" in my mind. I'd have rang a taxi and bit the bullet.

I caught a flight when I was told my Papa was dying. Cost didn't matter.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I can understand what you say if they (pushchairs and Wheelchairs) are boarding at exactly the same time , but, i am sure that it doesnt suggest that the pushchair has to basically get off the bus if a wheelchair gets on[/p][/quote]They don't have to get off. They just have to move the pushchair from the space designated for wheelchair users. Most pushchairs fold up these days.[/p][/quote]This is true. The space is designated for wheelchair users. Push chairs can be folded and if your kid is small enough to be in one then you can have them on your lap with no discomfort. Having said that, an urgent call to a hospital doesn't scream "To the bus stop!" in my mind. I'd have rang a taxi and bit the bullet. I caught a flight when I was told my Papa was dying. Cost didn't matter. camerajuan
  • Score: 8

2:06pm Thu 7 Aug 14

S!monOn says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I can understand what you say if they (pushchairs and Wheelchairs) are boarding at exactly the same time , but, i am sure that it doesnt suggest that the pushchair has to basically get off the bus if a wheelchair gets on
Law is law and as law abiding citizens must follow.

But, what kind of a person would tell a mother and child to get off the bus so that they can get on? And what if it's raining, would that person insist on them making way?

I understand the term equality and understand the need to treat & respect people the same, but how can that be when disable people expect special treatment?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I can understand what you say if they (pushchairs and Wheelchairs) are boarding at exactly the same time , but, i am sure that it doesnt suggest that the pushchair has to basically get off the bus if a wheelchair gets on[/p][/quote]Law is law and as law abiding citizens must follow. But, what kind of a person would tell a mother and child to get off the bus so that they can get on? And what if it's raining, would that person insist on them making way? I understand the term equality and understand the need to treat & respect people the same, but how can that be when disable people expect special treatment? S!monOn
  • Score: 8

2:07pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Nimble thief says...

I am a bus driver in Basingstoke. The law clearly states that this wheelchair traveller has a right to the space allocated to wheelchairs. If a pushchair is in that space and there is space available elsewhere, or room for it to be folded, then the driver is compelled BY LAW to get the pushchair user to make way for the wheelchair. Only if there is nowhere else for the pushchair to go as the bus is full, can the driver apologise and ask the wheelchair holder to wait for the next bus. If the pushchair user refuses to move when space is available then the driver is advised to call their control office. If there is already one wheelchair on the bus, a driver must again refuse the second wheelchair holder as it is a major safety risk to have more than one on board. Sadly there are too many socially and intellectually inadequate people who make stupid comments about bus drivers. We are for the most part, sensible and intelligent people who have to put up with poorly behaved people.
I am a bus driver in Basingstoke. The law clearly states that this wheelchair traveller has a right to the space allocated to wheelchairs. If a pushchair is in that space and there is space available elsewhere, or room for it to be folded, then the driver is compelled BY LAW to get the pushchair user to make way for the wheelchair. Only if there is nowhere else for the pushchair to go as the bus is full, can the driver apologise and ask the wheelchair holder to wait for the next bus. If the pushchair user refuses to move when space is available then the driver is advised to call their control office. If there is already one wheelchair on the bus, a driver must again refuse the second wheelchair holder as it is a major safety risk to have more than one on board. Sadly there are too many socially and intellectually inadequate people who make stupid comments about bus drivers. We are for the most part, sensible and intelligent people who have to put up with poorly behaved people. Nimble thief
  • Score: 49

2:16pm Thu 7 Aug 14

so'tongirl says...

userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
No driver won't lose his job I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]No driver won't lose his job I'm afraid. so'tongirl
  • Score: -3

2:17pm Thu 7 Aug 14

paraboy says...

lol its first again i use a wheelchair got on at the R.S.H got to the marlands the driver would not get out of his seat and put the ramp down first brushed it up the carpet but the under the DDA any one should be able to get on and off the bus with easy

first bus are the worst drivers if you are in a wheelchair the best bus i use is blue star or blue line i will not use first if i can help it and the feeling is across the wheelchair community

i would like to know how many more times can this happen southampton city council should be looking at first
lol its first again i use a wheelchair got on at the R.S.H got to the marlands the driver would not get out of his seat and put the ramp down first brushed it up the carpet but the under the DDA any one should be able to get on and off the bus with easy first bus are the worst drivers if you are in a wheelchair the best bus i use is blue star or blue line i will not use first if i can help it and the feeling is across the wheelchair community i would like to know how many more times can this happen southampton city council should be looking at first paraboy
  • Score: 5

2:25pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

so'tongirl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
No driver won't lose his job I'm afraid.
Read the link. First was fined £5000 the last time a driver did this. He should have known procedure.
[quote][p][bold]so'tongirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]No driver won't lose his job I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]Read the link. First was fined £5000 the last time a driver did this. He should have known procedure. userds5050
  • Score: -3

2:25pm Thu 7 Aug 14

paraboy says...

i think you all need to look up the DDA it is right the wheelchair space is set aside for the wheelchair not push chairs this chap has a right to be on that bus like you

i would say to first how many more times will you do this
i think you all need to look up the DDA it is right the wheelchair space is set aside for the wheelchair not push chairs this chap has a right to be on that bus like you i would say to first how many more times will you do this paraboy
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

paraboy wrote:
i think you all need to look up the DDA it is right the wheelchair space is set aside for the wheelchair not push chairs this chap has a right to be on that bus like you

i would say to first how many more times will you do this
People would prefer to just push the thumb down button, rather than look up UK legislation. Not everyone on here's going to know the law but you'd expect the driver to.
[quote][p][bold]paraboy[/bold] wrote: i think you all need to look up the DDA it is right the wheelchair space is set aside for the wheelchair not push chairs this chap has a right to be on that bus like you i would say to first how many more times will you do this[/p][/quote]People would prefer to just push the thumb down button, rather than look up UK legislation. Not everyone on here's going to know the law but you'd expect the driver to. userds5050
  • Score: 7

2:52pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Nimble thief says...

Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
[quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning. Nimble thief
  • Score: 9

3:18pm Thu 7 Aug 14

yellowhedgepig says...

Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
[quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled. yellowhedgepig
  • Score: 6

3:22pm Thu 7 Aug 14

donna2587 says...

I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important. donna2587
  • Score: 54

3:28pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
[quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job. userds5050
  • Score: -7

3:29pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job
[quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job userds5050
  • Score: -16

3:32pm Thu 7 Aug 14

S!monOn says...

donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
Says it all really.

I'm glad you posted donna2587 as it proves how important it is to get views from people who were actually there.
[quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]Says it all really. I'm glad you posted donna2587 as it proves how important it is to get views from people who were actually there. S!monOn
  • Score: 23

3:35pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

S!monOn wrote:
donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
Says it all really.

I'm glad you posted donna2587 as it proves how important it is to get views from people who were actually there.
Scum who don't know the law.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]Says it all really. I'm glad you posted donna2587 as it proves how important it is to get views from people who were actually there.[/p][/quote]Scum who don't know the law. userds5050
  • Score: -23

3:43pm Thu 7 Aug 14

S!monOn says...

userds5050 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
Says it all really.

I'm glad you posted donna2587 as it proves how important it is to get views from people who were actually there.
Scum who don't know the law.
In my best Sly voice: "I AM DA LAW!!"
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]Says it all really. I'm glad you posted donna2587 as it proves how important it is to get views from people who were actually there.[/p][/quote]Scum who don't know the law.[/p][/quote]In my best Sly voice: "I AM DA LAW!!" S!monOn
  • Score: 7

3:50pm Thu 7 Aug 14

glented says...

It always amazes me:

1) That manufacturers spend a fortune on designing easy collapsible buggies/prams.
2) Then sell them for inflated prices to parents who must have the latest model
3) That parents are unable to collapse the buggy because in fact they make a good shopping trolley and are generally overloaded

But being serious, wheelchair users should always have priority and I think most parents understand this. I've sen plenty of examples where First drivers have made sure that wheelchair users are accommodated and parents have happily and rightly moved.
It always amazes me: 1) That manufacturers spend a fortune on designing easy collapsible buggies/prams. 2) Then sell them for inflated prices to parents who must have the latest model 3) That parents are unable to collapse the buggy because in fact they make a good shopping trolley and are generally overloaded But being serious, wheelchair users should always have priority and I think most parents understand this. I've sen plenty of examples where First drivers have made sure that wheelchair users are accommodated and parents have happily and rightly moved. glented
  • Score: 6

4:04pm Thu 7 Aug 14

yellowhedgepig says...

userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this yellowhedgepig
  • Score: 12

4:09pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Advisoriescaution says...

userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
Absolute rubbish. Wheelchairs only have priority over buggies and push chairs when both are trying to board the same bus at the same bus stop. When all the bays and spaces are already taken up and a wheelchair wants to board the driver can only ask the customer to fold it. If the customer is unable to do this or refuses then the driver must radio in to control to get control to inform the next available bus to accommodate the wheelchair user. It is illegal for a bus driver to carry on driving on the route with pushchairs, buggies and other obstructions in the buses aisle caused by accommodating a wheelchair. If such a situation arises where this may happen then the bus driver is entitled to put the bus in Neutral and switch off the engine. I worked as a Bournemouth Yellow Buses driver so I'll end it there.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish. Wheelchairs only have priority over buggies and push chairs when both are trying to board the same bus at the same bus stop. When all the bays and spaces are already taken up and a wheelchair wants to board the driver can only ask the customer to fold it. If the customer is unable to do this or refuses then the driver must radio in to control to get control to inform the next available bus to accommodate the wheelchair user. It is illegal for a bus driver to carry on driving on the route with pushchairs, buggies and other obstructions in the buses aisle caused by accommodating a wheelchair. If such a situation arises where this may happen then the bus driver is entitled to put the bus in Neutral and switch off the engine. I worked as a Bournemouth Yellow Buses driver so I'll end it there. Advisoriescaution
  • Score: 8

4:14pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Gregorio1 says...

I'm really glad to have discovered the dailyecho. With gripping articles like these it'll be a long time before I watch that BBC so-called news again.

And why are there so many people using mobility scooters in the UK? Don't people realize they are as addictive as smoking or classy drugs and once you're hooked that's it. Game over!
I'm really glad to have discovered the dailyecho. With gripping articles like these it'll be a long time before I watch that BBC so-called news again. And why are there so many people using mobility scooters in the UK? Don't people realize they are as addictive as smoking or classy drugs and once you're hooked that's it. Game over! Gregorio1
  • Score: 4

4:17pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
[quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for? userds5050
  • Score: -2

4:24pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

Advisoriescaution wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
Absolute rubbish. Wheelchairs only have priority over buggies and push chairs when both are trying to board the same bus at the same bus stop. When all the bays and spaces are already taken up and a wheelchair wants to board the driver can only ask the customer to fold it. If the customer is unable to do this or refuses then the driver must radio in to control to get control to inform the next available bus to accommodate the wheelchair user. It is illegal for a bus driver to carry on driving on the route with pushchairs, buggies and other obstructions in the buses aisle caused by accommodating a wheelchair. If such a situation arises where this may happen then the bus driver is entitled to put the bus in Neutral and switch off the engine. I worked as a Bournemouth Yellow Buses driver so I'll end it there.
"A judge at Leeds County Court ruled the "first come first served" policy was unlawful discrimination in breach of the Equality Act 2010."

Read the link I posted from the BBC site. A precedent has already been set and First were fined £5000 for doing what you've just 'explained' to me.
[quote][p][bold]Advisoriescaution[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish. Wheelchairs only have priority over buggies and push chairs when both are trying to board the same bus at the same bus stop. When all the bays and spaces are already taken up and a wheelchair wants to board the driver can only ask the customer to fold it. If the customer is unable to do this or refuses then the driver must radio in to control to get control to inform the next available bus to accommodate the wheelchair user. It is illegal for a bus driver to carry on driving on the route with pushchairs, buggies and other obstructions in the buses aisle caused by accommodating a wheelchair. If such a situation arises where this may happen then the bus driver is entitled to put the bus in Neutral and switch off the engine. I worked as a Bournemouth Yellow Buses driver so I'll end it there.[/p][/quote]"A judge at Leeds County Court ruled the "first come first served" policy was unlawful discrimination in breach of the Equality Act 2010." Read the link I posted from the BBC site. A precedent has already been set and First were fined £5000 for doing what you've just 'explained' to me. userds5050
  • Score: 1

4:27pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Tenderhearts wife says...

Im sure that there was a story in the paper a couple of days ago where a mother with a disabled child in a pushchair was given similar treatment because pensioners, not necessarily disabled pensioners had taken the fold down seats , so im sorry what is good for the goose is good for the gander!
Im sure that there was a story in the paper a couple of days ago where a mother with a disabled child in a pushchair was given similar treatment because pensioners, not necessarily disabled pensioners had taken the fold down seats , so im sorry what is good for the goose is good for the gander! Tenderhearts wife
  • Score: 5

4:38pm Thu 7 Aug 14

yellowhedgepig says...

userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star yellowhedgepig
  • Score: 5

4:39pm Thu 7 Aug 14

S!monOn says...

userds5050 wrote:
Advisoriescaution wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
Absolute rubbish. Wheelchairs only have priority over buggies and push chairs when both are trying to board the same bus at the same bus stop. When all the bays and spaces are already taken up and a wheelchair wants to board the driver can only ask the customer to fold it. If the customer is unable to do this or refuses then the driver must radio in to control to get control to inform the next available bus to accommodate the wheelchair user. It is illegal for a bus driver to carry on driving on the route with pushchairs, buggies and other obstructions in the buses aisle caused by accommodating a wheelchair. If such a situation arises where this may happen then the bus driver is entitled to put the bus in Neutral and switch off the engine. I worked as a Bournemouth Yellow Buses driver so I'll end it there.
"A judge at Leeds County Court ruled the "first come first served" policy was unlawful discrimination in breach of the Equality Act 2010."

Read the link I posted from the BBC site. A precedent has already been set and First were fined £5000 for doing what you've just 'explained' to me.
You will also be aware that there were 2 people who took action against bus companies.

He won. The other lost.

Both cases will be heard again under the court of appeal.

Even if you go to the citizens advice site... it states clearly that the driver can ask for people to move their pushchairs, and if they refuse, their isn't a lot the driver can do.

Maybe, next time try not to be so rude and abusive.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Advisoriescaution[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish. Wheelchairs only have priority over buggies and push chairs when both are trying to board the same bus at the same bus stop. When all the bays and spaces are already taken up and a wheelchair wants to board the driver can only ask the customer to fold it. If the customer is unable to do this or refuses then the driver must radio in to control to get control to inform the next available bus to accommodate the wheelchair user. It is illegal for a bus driver to carry on driving on the route with pushchairs, buggies and other obstructions in the buses aisle caused by accommodating a wheelchair. If such a situation arises where this may happen then the bus driver is entitled to put the bus in Neutral and switch off the engine. I worked as a Bournemouth Yellow Buses driver so I'll end it there.[/p][/quote]"A judge at Leeds County Court ruled the "first come first served" policy was unlawful discrimination in breach of the Equality Act 2010." Read the link I posted from the BBC site. A precedent has already been set and First were fined £5000 for doing what you've just 'explained' to me.[/p][/quote]You will also be aware that there were 2 people who took action against bus companies. He won. The other lost. Both cases will be heard again under the court of appeal. Even if you go to the citizens advice site... it states clearly that the driver can ask for people to move their pushchairs, and if they refuse, their isn't a lot the driver can do. Maybe, next time try not to be so rude and abusive. S!monOn
  • Score: 7

4:40pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Shirley_Girl says...

"He and his daughter then had to take a taxi instead, as the family does not have a car"... Couldn't they have waited 5/10 minutes for the next bus? If I was waiting at a bus stop and the first bus to arrive was full, I'd just have to wait for the next one- how is this different? Its certainly not a news story!
"He and his daughter then had to take a taxi instead, as the family does not have a car"... Couldn't they have waited 5/10 minutes for the next bus? If I was waiting at a bus stop and the first bus to arrive was full, I'd just have to wait for the next one- how is this different? Its certainly not a news story! Shirley_Girl
  • Score: 9

4:45pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
[quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid. userds5050
  • Score: -3

4:53pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

S!monOn wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Advisoriescaution wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
Absolute rubbish. Wheelchairs only have priority over buggies and push chairs when both are trying to board the same bus at the same bus stop. When all the bays and spaces are already taken up and a wheelchair wants to board the driver can only ask the customer to fold it. If the customer is unable to do this or refuses then the driver must radio in to control to get control to inform the next available bus to accommodate the wheelchair user. It is illegal for a bus driver to carry on driving on the route with pushchairs, buggies and other obstructions in the buses aisle caused by accommodating a wheelchair. If such a situation arises where this may happen then the bus driver is entitled to put the bus in Neutral and switch off the engine. I worked as a Bournemouth Yellow Buses driver so I'll end it there.
"A judge at Leeds County Court ruled the "first come first served" policy was unlawful discrimination in breach of the Equality Act 2010."

Read the link I posted from the BBC site. A precedent has already been set and First were fined £5000 for doing what you've just 'explained' to me.
You will also be aware that there were 2 people who took action against bus companies.

He won. The other lost.

Both cases will be heard again under the court of appeal.

Even if you go to the citizens advice site... it states clearly that the driver can ask for people to move their pushchairs, and if they refuse, their isn't a lot the driver can do.

Maybe, next time try not to be so rude and abusive.
Fair enough. Point noted. It will properly then get sent up to some European court.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Advisoriescaution[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish. Wheelchairs only have priority over buggies and push chairs when both are trying to board the same bus at the same bus stop. When all the bays and spaces are already taken up and a wheelchair wants to board the driver can only ask the customer to fold it. If the customer is unable to do this or refuses then the driver must radio in to control to get control to inform the next available bus to accommodate the wheelchair user. It is illegal for a bus driver to carry on driving on the route with pushchairs, buggies and other obstructions in the buses aisle caused by accommodating a wheelchair. If such a situation arises where this may happen then the bus driver is entitled to put the bus in Neutral and switch off the engine. I worked as a Bournemouth Yellow Buses driver so I'll end it there.[/p][/quote]"A judge at Leeds County Court ruled the "first come first served" policy was unlawful discrimination in breach of the Equality Act 2010." Read the link I posted from the BBC site. A precedent has already been set and First were fined £5000 for doing what you've just 'explained' to me.[/p][/quote]You will also be aware that there were 2 people who took action against bus companies. He won. The other lost. Both cases will be heard again under the court of appeal. Even if you go to the citizens advice site... it states clearly that the driver can ask for people to move their pushchairs, and if they refuse, their isn't a lot the driver can do. Maybe, next time try not to be so rude and abusive.[/p][/quote]Fair enough. Point noted. It will properly then get sent up to some European court. userds5050
  • Score: -1

4:55pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Mary80 says...

Tenderhearts wife wrote:
Im sure that there was a story in the paper a couple of days ago where a mother with a disabled child in a pushchair was given similar treatment because pensioners, not necessarily disabled pensioners had taken the fold down seats , so im sorry what is good for the goose is good for the gander!
Sadly there are a lot of old people who can be quite rude and if they can move they usually have the attitude of "no im old everyone else has to move i have the right to sit here". Its sad in this day and age when this happens as people should move for wheelchairs and pushchairs
[quote][p][bold]Tenderhearts wife[/bold] wrote: Im sure that there was a story in the paper a couple of days ago where a mother with a disabled child in a pushchair was given similar treatment because pensioners, not necessarily disabled pensioners had taken the fold down seats , so im sorry what is good for the goose is good for the gander![/p][/quote]Sadly there are a lot of old people who can be quite rude and if they can move they usually have the attitude of "no im old everyone else has to move i have the right to sit here". Its sad in this day and age when this happens as people should move for wheelchairs and pushchairs Mary80
  • Score: 7

4:57pm Thu 7 Aug 14

itsnotjustice says...

userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him....

ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins?????

and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.
userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him.... ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins????? and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool. itsnotjustice
  • Score: 9

5:08pm Thu 7 Aug 14

mrblunt says...

If this man worked 20yrs for Telecom, where was he for the other 25years of his working life !!!
If this man worked 20yrs for Telecom, where was he for the other 25years of his working life !!! mrblunt
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

itsnotjustice wrote:
userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him....

ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins?????

and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.
I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him.... ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins????? and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.[/p][/quote]I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite. userds5050
  • Score: -8

5:15pm Thu 7 Aug 14

midgetgem123 says...

userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass midgetgem123
  • Score: 3

5:23pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.
[quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass[/p][/quote]No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office. userds5050
  • Score: -3

5:42pm Thu 7 Aug 14

George4th says...

Gregorio1 wrote:
I'm really glad to have discovered the dailyecho. With gripping articles like these it'll be a long time before I watch that BBC so-called news again.

And why are there so many people using mobility scooters in the UK? Don't people realize they are as addictive as smoking or classy drugs and once you're hooked that's it. Game over!
Have you noticed how most are driven by fat people?

No wonder the NHS is sinking under the burden!
[quote][p][bold]Gregorio1[/bold] wrote: I'm really glad to have discovered the dailyecho. With gripping articles like these it'll be a long time before I watch that BBC so-called news again. And why are there so many people using mobility scooters in the UK? Don't people realize they are as addictive as smoking or classy drugs and once you're hooked that's it. Game over![/p][/quote]Have you noticed how most are driven by fat people? No wonder the NHS is sinking under the burden! George4th
  • Score: 2

5:46pm Thu 7 Aug 14

KayleighJade says...

donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
I'm so glad we've got the perspective of someone who was actually there. Says it all really, the bus driver did the right thing not letting him on if he was being extremely abusive.
[quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]I'm so glad we've got the perspective of someone who was actually there. Says it all really, the bus driver did the right thing not letting him on if he was being extremely abusive. KayleighJade
  • Score: 11

5:55pm Thu 7 Aug 14

midgetgem123 says...

userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.
But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass[/p][/quote]No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.[/p][/quote]But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w***** midgetgem123
  • Score: 5

6:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

KayleighJade wrote:
donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
I'm so glad we've got the perspective of someone who was actually there. Says it all really, the bus driver did the right thing not letting him on if he was being extremely abusive.
Where does the poster state the driver refused to let him on because he was being abusive? They refused to let him on because they couldn't accomodate his wheelchair. The fact he was abusive after that is irrelevant. People have pulled me up for being rude but I do wonder about some people.
[quote][p][bold]KayleighJade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]I'm so glad we've got the perspective of someone who was actually there. Says it all really, the bus driver did the right thing not letting him on if he was being extremely abusive.[/p][/quote]Where does the poster state the driver refused to let him on because he was being abusive? They refused to let him on because they couldn't accomodate his wheelchair. The fact he was abusive after that is irrelevant. People have pulled me up for being rude but I do wonder about some people. userds5050
  • Score: -10

6:05pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.
But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****
And you stated drivers weren't allowed to use their mobile phone to contact the office. The FACT is they can contact the office and do.
[quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass[/p][/quote]No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.[/p][/quote]But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****[/p][/quote]And you stated drivers weren't allowed to use their mobile phone to contact the office. The FACT is they can contact the office and do. userds5050
  • Score: -1

6:23pm Thu 7 Aug 14

sotonbusdriver says...

The reality of the Disability Act, is that a wheelchair user gets PRIORITY over anyone else, regardless whether they have paid or not for a ticket....
But as an ex driver, and know all too well what it is like to drive the Millbrook buses.....
Asking someone, especially a female with a child and buggy, to fold down and stow away their pushchair so a wheelchair user can board the bus, will only end with that passenger, spitting and even throwing punches at the driver... To comply with the rules, the driver could ask for POLICE assistance, but knowing the response time that the POLICE can take, does a driver really want to put himself at risk of injury and abuse from the aforementioned passenger,,, NO,,, and is less likely to get assaulted by the wheelchair user....
You cannot allow the passageway to be obstructed, as it is an escape route under Health & Safety in case of accident or fire...
As a driver, you are damned if you do and if you don't.... Drivers are not supported by Management at FIRST regardless of what they do....
If the driver is assaulted the Company Management would question whether by asking a passenger to give up their space for a disabled person was a wise choice and that led to the injuries,, As FIRST is always looking for a way not to payout SICK pay....
The reality of the Disability Act, is that a wheelchair user gets PRIORITY over anyone else, regardless whether they have paid or not for a ticket.... But as an ex driver, and know all too well what it is like to drive the Millbrook buses..... Asking someone, especially a female with a child and buggy, to fold down and stow away their pushchair so a wheelchair user can board the bus, will only end with that passenger, spitting and even throwing punches at the driver... To comply with the rules, the driver could ask for POLICE assistance, but knowing the response time that the POLICE can take, does a driver really want to put himself at risk of injury and abuse from the aforementioned passenger,,, NO,,, and is less likely to get assaulted by the wheelchair user.... You cannot allow the passageway to be obstructed, as it is an escape route under Health & Safety in case of accident or fire... As a driver, you are damned if you do and if you don't.... Drivers are not supported by Management at FIRST regardless of what they do.... If the driver is assaulted the Company Management would question whether by asking a passenger to give up their space for a disabled person was a wise choice and that led to the injuries,, As FIRST is always looking for a way not to payout SICK pay.... sotonbusdriver
  • Score: 8

6:27pm Thu 7 Aug 14

loosehead says...

I remember when you had to fold up a pram/pushchair to get on the bus & wheelchairs had no chance.
I've been on the bus where it quite clearly states these areas are for wheelchairs & prams yet people sit there & refuse to move when either want to use that area.
I've heard drivers ask them to move & the reply if not vulgar is "we Paid for a seat & we want these"
I don't know what the bus was like on that day but there are frequent busses to that estate.
I remember when you had to fold up a pram/pushchair to get on the bus & wheelchairs had no chance. I've been on the bus where it quite clearly states these areas are for wheelchairs & prams yet people sit there & refuse to move when either want to use that area. I've heard drivers ask them to move & the reply if not vulgar is "we Paid for a seat & we want these" I don't know what the bus was like on that day but there are frequent busses to that estate. loosehead
  • Score: 5

6:49pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cowley says...

Oh dear. This chap and buses do not get on. How much did you get out of bluestar when you put a claim in Mr Mcdonald??!! Tut tut tut
Oh dear. This chap and buses do not get on. How much did you get out of bluestar when you put a claim in Mr Mcdonald??!! Tut tut tut cowley
  • Score: 4

7:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

footballcrazy says...

Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
she probably gets a free buspas as well as he probably cant travel on his own? also special taxis now plentyfull for wheelchair users in southampton. i have used them for my 88 year old mother!.
[quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]she probably gets a free buspas as well as he probably cant travel on his own? also special taxis now plentyfull for wheelchair users in southampton. i have used them for my 88 year old mother!. footballcrazy
  • Score: 4

7:11pm Thu 7 Aug 14

footballcrazy says...

KayleighJade wrote:
This guy is an absolute tit. Mothers with pushchairs have just as much right to use the bus as he does, and they actually pay for their fares! Bus drivers should never have to ask paying customers to get off of the bus if there is no room, it's first come first serve! If he's that concerned why doesn't he use his VAST DLA payments to use a bloody taxi.
true the mother will have paid. him with his daughter i suspect if he cannot travel on his own his daughter has a free companion bus pass! i am nearly pension age myself but when i see mothers with puschairs and a wheelchair or another pushchair wants to board bus the make as much space as they can for wheelchair or a puschair. also from experience with my elderly 88 year old mother many taxis suitable for wheelchairs in southampton. which is what he gets dla for also bus's along millbrook area are very frequent
[quote][p][bold]KayleighJade[/bold] wrote: This guy is an absolute tit. Mothers with pushchairs have just as much right to use the bus as he does, and they actually pay for their fares! Bus drivers should never have to ask paying customers to get off of the bus if there is no room, it's first come first serve! If he's that concerned why doesn't he use his VAST DLA payments to use a bloody taxi.[/p][/quote]true the mother will have paid. him with his daughter i suspect if he cannot travel on his own his daughter has a free companion bus pass! i am nearly pension age myself but when i see mothers with puschairs and a wheelchair or another pushchair wants to board bus the make as much space as they can for wheelchair or a puschair. also from experience with my elderly 88 year old mother many taxis suitable for wheelchairs in southampton. which is what he gets dla for also bus's along millbrook area are very frequent footballcrazy
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Thu 7 Aug 14

midgetgem123 says...

userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.
But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****
And you stated drivers weren't allowed to use their mobile phone to contact the office. The FACT is they can contact the office and do.
I never quoted drivers weren't allowed too use their mobile phones I said we r made too use our mobile phones too contact control in which case has to be off the vehicle then that makes us run late and get moaned at by other passengers who have been left waiting for a bus
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass[/p][/quote]No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.[/p][/quote]But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****[/p][/quote]And you stated drivers weren't allowed to use their mobile phone to contact the office. The FACT is they can contact the office and do.[/p][/quote]I never quoted drivers weren't allowed too use their mobile phones I said we r made too use our mobile phones too contact control in which case has to be off the vehicle then that makes us run late and get moaned at by other passengers who have been left waiting for a bus midgetgem123
  • Score: 2

7:31pm Thu 7 Aug 14

mickey01 says...

userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
shut up
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]shut up mickey01
  • Score: 4

7:37pm Thu 7 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.
But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****
And you stated drivers weren't allowed to use their mobile phone to contact the office. The FACT is they can contact the office and do.
I never quoted drivers weren't allowed too use their mobile phones I said we r made too use our mobile phones too contact control in which case has to be off the vehicle then that makes us run late and get moaned at by other passengers who have been left waiting for a bus
"If we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus."
[quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass[/p][/quote]No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.[/p][/quote]But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****[/p][/quote]And you stated drivers weren't allowed to use their mobile phone to contact the office. The FACT is they can contact the office and do.[/p][/quote]I never quoted drivers weren't allowed too use their mobile phones I said we r made too use our mobile phones too contact control in which case has to be off the vehicle then that makes us run late and get moaned at by other passengers who have been left waiting for a bus[/p][/quote]"If we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus." userds5050
  • Score: 0

7:39pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Becsv44 says...

Yes I agree that disabled people find public transport a pain at times but us mums have problems too we put our babies in prams/ pushchairs to protect them I have had to wait before for a number of buses to pass before being able to get on to travel...we are all equal humans and should respect each other and wait our turn...the other problem is the old buses had a place where you could collapse a buggy with a toddler able to walk or balance enough to sit on a mums lap the new buses don't so where are we supposed to put them... I have also found that the older generation are seeming ruder I am a mum in my late 30s and I often come across people who think they rule so to speak compensation is given out to easily and people know this that's why they do this :)
Yes I agree that disabled people find public transport a pain at times but us mums have problems too we put our babies in prams/ pushchairs to protect them I have had to wait before for a number of buses to pass before being able to get on to travel...we are all equal humans and should respect each other and wait our turn...the other problem is the old buses had a place where you could collapse a buggy with a toddler able to walk or balance enough to sit on a mums lap the new buses don't so where are we supposed to put them... I have also found that the older generation are seeming ruder I am a mum in my late 30s and I often come across people who think they rule so to speak compensation is given out to easily and people know this that's why they do this :) Becsv44
  • Score: 3

7:44pm Thu 7 Aug 14

kaido says...

Wow what a surprise - First Bus. I certainly didn't think that would be the bus company in question when I first saw the article.... NOT
Wow what a surprise - First Bus. I certainly didn't think that would be the bus company in question when I first saw the article.... NOT kaido
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar.
[quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -10

7:51pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bigfella777 says...

Bus drivers are often mean and nasty these days, I Dont know what their problem is especially when they drive at pedestrians. If you can't hack the job Dont do it, your a public servant for goodness sake.
Bus drivers are often mean and nasty these days, I Dont know what their problem is especially when they drive at pedestrians. If you can't hack the job Dont do it, your a public servant for goodness sake. bigfella777
  • Score: -7

7:55pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Balatsie says...

Cpc states now one in a dicabled bay by law has to give up a space if they have payed to travel,the driver can ask if they would give it up but if they refuse tuff,disabled are always aking not to be treated any different, patient trasport taxi comunity bus, think before you travel,not driver error
Cpc states now one in a dicabled bay by law has to give up a space if they have payed to travel,the driver can ask if they would give it up but if they refuse tuff,disabled are always aking not to be treated any different, patient trasport taxi comunity bus, think before you travel,not driver error Balatsie
  • Score: 2

7:56pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.
But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****
A lot of Bluestar drivers ARE w@nkers.
[quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass[/p][/quote]No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.[/p][/quote]But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****[/p][/quote]A lot of Bluestar drivers ARE w@nkers. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -8

7:58pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Balatsie says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Bus drivers are often mean and nasty these days, I Dont know what their problem is especially when they drive at pedestrians. If you can't hack the job Dont do it, your a public servant for goodness sake.
**** comment
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Bus drivers are often mean and nasty these days, I Dont know what their problem is especially when they drive at pedestrians. If you can't hack the job Dont do it, your a public servant for goodness sake.[/p][/quote]**** comment Balatsie
  • Score: 2

8:32pm Thu 7 Aug 14

yellowhedgepig says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar.
You are a bit of a tit, tell you what if you go on a bluestar bus and find a radio I will pay for you to dye your hair a sensible colour
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar.[/p][/quote]You are a bit of a tit, tell you what if you go on a bluestar bus and find a radio I will pay for you to dye your hair a sensible colour yellowhedgepig
  • Score: 6

8:34pm Thu 7 Aug 14

yellowhedgepig says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.
But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****
A lot of Bluestar drivers ARE w@nkers.
As are a lot of cyclists, especially ginger ones
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass[/p][/quote]No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.[/p][/quote]But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****[/p][/quote]A lot of Bluestar drivers ARE w@nkers.[/p][/quote]As are a lot of cyclists, especially ginger ones yellowhedgepig
  • Score: 5

8:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

directtalk says...

In September 2013 a judge at Leeds County Court ruled the "first come first served" policy, which was operated by First Bus Group, was unlawful discrimination in breach of the Equality Act 2010. A disabled man in a wheelchair took First Bus Group to court after he was told by the driver he could not get on a bus because a pushchair user, with a sleeping baby in it, refused to give up the space allotted to wheelchair users.
First Group website stated "Wheelchair users have priority use of the wheelchair space", but adds that "the driver has no power to compel passengers to move in this way and is reliant upon the goodwill of the passengers concerned" and "if a fellow passenger refuses to move will need to wait for the next bus". But the judge ruled this policy was wrong and awarded £5,500 in compensation to the wheelchair user.
Although this judgement could be over-turned in a higher court. I don't know if First Bus Group has pursued this course of action.
It does seem that wheelchairs take priority over pushchairs so mothers need to learn that if they want to take a pushchair on a bus then they have to fold it down and put it in a suitable storage space on the bus.. If they are not prepared to do so, then it is they who have to get off the bus.
In September 2013 a judge at Leeds County Court ruled the "first come first served" policy, which was operated by First Bus Group, was unlawful discrimination in breach of the Equality Act 2010. A disabled man in a wheelchair took First Bus Group to court after he was told by the driver he could not get on a bus because a pushchair user, with a sleeping baby in it, refused to give up the space allotted to wheelchair users. First Group website stated "Wheelchair users have priority use of the wheelchair space", but adds that "the driver has no power to compel passengers to move in this way and is reliant upon the goodwill of the passengers concerned" and "if a fellow passenger refuses to move [the wheelchair user] will need to wait for the next bus". But the judge ruled this policy was wrong and awarded £5,500 in compensation to the wheelchair user. Although this judgement could be over-turned in a higher court. I don't know if First Bus Group has pursued this course of action. It does seem that wheelchairs take priority over pushchairs so mothers need to learn that if they want to take a pushchair on a bus then they have to fold it down and put it in a suitable storage space on the bus.. If they are not prepared to do so, then it is they who have to get off the bus. directtalk
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cmth40 says...

yellowhedgepig wrote:
A bus driver is exactly that A BUS DRIVER why do people assume that they have the power to make people move, if someone has paid for a ticket and occupied that space what is the driver supposed to do KICK THEM OFF. Then the paper would be reporting about how little 17 year old Tiffany was thrown of the bus with her 4 under 5's
he maybe a BUS DRIVER but he is responsable for passengers and has a right to make parents take care of their kids also he should know IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO REFUSE A WHEELCHAIR IF THE SPACE IS NEEDED THEN THE DRIVER MUST INSTRUCT WHOEVER IS USING THE SPACE TO VACATE,it is the LAW the disabled wheelchair use must not be refused,the answer is to only allow 2 small pushshairs after all 90% of kids dont even sit in them,parents these days are given to much
[quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: A bus driver is exactly that A BUS DRIVER why do people assume that they have the power to make people move, if someone has paid for a ticket and occupied that space what is the driver supposed to do KICK THEM OFF. Then the paper would be reporting about how little 17 year old Tiffany was thrown of the bus with her 4 under 5's[/p][/quote]he maybe a BUS DRIVER but he is responsable for passengers and has a right to make parents take care of their kids also he should know IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO REFUSE A WHEELCHAIR IF THE SPACE IS NEEDED THEN THE DRIVER MUST INSTRUCT WHOEVER IS USING THE SPACE TO VACATE,it is the LAW the disabled wheelchair use must not be refused,the answer is to only allow 2 small pushshairs after all 90% of kids dont even sit in them,parents these days are given to much cmth40
  • Score: -4

8:45pm Thu 7 Aug 14

windyboy says...

donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
I to was on this bus, and can confirm Donna's comments. There was a child in the pushchair, and the luggage rack was already in use. The driver did well to keep his composure despite the foul mouthed tirade aimed at him, which could clearly be heard by myself and my wife and we were sat towards the rear of the bus. I do not think the next bus would have been far behind as we were probably running a bit late as the ticket machine was not working, and we have a long delay in the City Centre while they found a working replacement, and that took two attempts.
I don't claim to know anything about the rules regarding the protocol in such situations, but i feel it would be a total misjustice if the driver who was courteous and respectful is disciplined over this matter
[quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]I to was on this bus, and can confirm Donna's comments. There was a child in the pushchair, and the luggage rack was already in use. The driver did well to keep his composure despite the foul mouthed tirade aimed at him, which could clearly be heard by myself and my wife and we were sat towards the rear of the bus. I do not think the next bus would have been far behind as we were probably running a bit late as the ticket machine was not working, and we have a long delay in the City Centre while they found a working replacement, and that took two attempts. I don't claim to know anything about the rules regarding the protocol in such situations, but i feel it would be a total misjustice if the driver who was courteous and respectful is disciplined over this matter windyboy
  • Score: 16

8:45pm Thu 7 Aug 14

midgetgem123 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar.
I drive a BLUESTAR bus everyday and it DOES NOT have a radio fitted
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar.[/p][/quote]I drive a BLUESTAR bus everyday and it DOES NOT have a radio fitted midgetgem123
  • Score: 9

9:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

yellowhedgepig says...

cmth40 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
A bus driver is exactly that A BUS DRIVER why do people assume that they have the power to make people move, if someone has paid for a ticket and occupied that space what is the driver supposed to do KICK THEM OFF. Then the paper would be reporting about how little 17 year old Tiffany was thrown of the bus with her 4 under 5's
he maybe a BUS DRIVER but he is responsable for passengers and has a right to make parents take care of their kids also he should know IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO REFUSE A WHEELCHAIR IF THE SPACE IS NEEDED THEN THE DRIVER MUST INSTRUCT WHOEVER IS USING THE SPACE TO VACATE,it is the LAW the disabled wheelchair use must not be refused,the answer is to only allow 2 small pushshairs after all 90% of kids dont even sit in them,parents these days are given to much
Can I ask what planet you live on, how long do you think a bus driver would keep his teeth around some of Southampton's finest estates if he were to instruct passengers on how to make there children behave. It's all very well to spout off that the driver should do this and the driver should do that but you could do with a reality check
[quote][p][bold]cmth40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: A bus driver is exactly that A BUS DRIVER why do people assume that they have the power to make people move, if someone has paid for a ticket and occupied that space what is the driver supposed to do KICK THEM OFF. Then the paper would be reporting about how little 17 year old Tiffany was thrown of the bus with her 4 under 5's[/p][/quote]he maybe a BUS DRIVER but he is responsable for passengers and has a right to make parents take care of their kids also he should know IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO REFUSE A WHEELCHAIR IF THE SPACE IS NEEDED THEN THE DRIVER MUST INSTRUCT WHOEVER IS USING THE SPACE TO VACATE,it is the LAW the disabled wheelchair use must not be refused,the answer is to only allow 2 small pushshairs after all 90% of kids dont even sit in them,parents these days are given to much[/p][/quote]Can I ask what planet you live on, how long do you think a bus driver would keep his teeth around some of Southampton's finest estates if he were to instruct passengers on how to make there children behave. It's all very well to spout off that the driver should do this and the driver should do that but you could do with a reality check yellowhedgepig
  • Score: 7

9:06pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bustard says...

yellowhedgepig wrote:
A bus driver is exactly that A BUS DRIVER why do people assume that they have the power to make people move, if someone has paid for a ticket and occupied that space what is the driver supposed to do KICK THEM OFF. Then the paper would be reporting about how little 17 year old Tiffany was thrown of the bus with her 4 under 5's
The LAW - Disabled Access Act (or something of that ilk) demands that bus drivers make disabled facilities available to disabled users. The ONLY time a disabled person in a wheelchair can be refused access, is if there is already a wheelchair on board, because the bus is licenced to carry one wheelchair, with, usually, a drop in two of other seating capacity. Tiffanny and her four crotchfruits have a simple choice - fold the buggy on steroids up, and place it in the luggage rack; or get off and push it. Wheelchair has priority. Story, end of.
[quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: A bus driver is exactly that A BUS DRIVER why do people assume that they have the power to make people move, if someone has paid for a ticket and occupied that space what is the driver supposed to do KICK THEM OFF. Then the paper would be reporting about how little 17 year old Tiffany was thrown of the bus with her 4 under 5's[/p][/quote]The LAW - Disabled Access Act (or something of that ilk) demands that bus drivers make disabled facilities available to disabled users. The ONLY time a disabled person in a wheelchair can be refused access, is if there is already a wheelchair on board, because the bus is licenced to carry one wheelchair, with, usually, a drop in two of other seating capacity. Tiffanny and her four crotchfruits have a simple choice - fold the buggy on steroids up, and place it in the luggage rack; or get off and push it. Wheelchair has priority. Story, end of. bustard
  • Score: -1

9:22pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bustard says...

itsnotjustice wrote:
Fail to see why this is news..... It says he has a free bus pass because of his age, so he was not a paying customer either....
If people pay to get on the bus then they have a right to sit where ever they want and the driver cannot force anyone to move....Its upto the public to offer.... If this bus was full where was the mother and baby suppose to sit???

and whats the bit about rain got to do with it???? the stop quite clearly has a shelter....

some people just want to get in the news.
His fare is paid. Whether by himself, or whether by the Council, does not matter. He is a paid-for passenger. The LAW (not some jumped up Company rule) says that one wheelchair user has priority to one wheelchair space. If there is a buggy there: it gets folded and stowed, and the wheelchair occupies it. The driver can legitimately refuse access if the wheelchair space is already occupied BY A WHEELCHAIR, or of there are already so many people on the bus that the acceptance of the wheelchair would lead to the bus carrying more than its licenced capacity. (and, for THAT calculation, babes in arms are counted, even though THEY are not "farepaying" passengers). And people can NOT sit wherever they want. They cannot sit on the stairs. They cannot sit in the luggage rack. They cannot sit on the engine cover at the back (which affords a level surface). The rule is One Arsehole Per Seat. None of this "three kids in a double seat" business - that went out years ago. And, if the mum refuses to fold her pushchair - fine. The bus stays there until she either does so, or she gets off. And, as another poster has intimated, should a passenger cause violence to the driver in those circumstances - it's all on CCTV, the passenger will find himself in Court. And the service might just be withdrawn from that area for a couple of days.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: Fail to see why this is news..... It says he has a free bus pass because of his age, so he was not a paying customer either.... If people pay to get on the bus then they have a right to sit where ever they want and the driver cannot force anyone to move....Its upto the public to offer.... If this bus was full where was the mother and baby suppose to sit??? and whats the bit about rain got to do with it???? the stop quite clearly has a shelter.... some people just want to get in the news.[/p][/quote]His fare is paid. Whether by himself, or whether by the Council, does not matter. He is a paid-for passenger. The LAW (not some jumped up Company rule) says that one wheelchair user has priority to one wheelchair space. If there is a buggy there: it gets folded and stowed, and the wheelchair occupies it. The driver can legitimately refuse access if the wheelchair space is already occupied BY A WHEELCHAIR, or of there are already so many people on the bus that the acceptance of the wheelchair would lead to the bus carrying more than its licenced capacity. (and, for THAT calculation, babes in arms are counted, even though THEY are not "farepaying" passengers). And people can NOT sit wherever they want. They cannot sit on the stairs. They cannot sit in the luggage rack. They cannot sit on the engine cover at the back (which affords a level surface). The rule is One Arsehole Per Seat. None of this "three kids in a double seat" business - that went out years ago. And, if the mum refuses to fold her pushchair - fine. The bus stays there until she either does so, or she gets off. And, as another poster has intimated, should a passenger cause violence to the driver in those circumstances - it's all on CCTV, the passenger will find himself in Court. And the service might just be withdrawn from that area for a couple of days. bustard
  • Score: 0

9:27pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Kirsty666 says...

Correct me if I'm wrong BUT don't people with bus passes get FREE travel? And MOST people with pushchairs pay? I personally fold my buggy down for wheelchair users as I know they require the space BUT it does depend on my situation on the day
Correct me if I'm wrong BUT don't people with bus passes get FREE travel? And MOST people with pushchairs pay? I personally fold my buggy down for wheelchair users as I know they require the space BUT it does depend on my situation on the day Kirsty666
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bustard says...

donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
Truth beginning to come out! Unfortunately, not all disable people are sweetness and light. But at the end of the day, the disabled person's poor attitude is actually a seperate matter from his right of access to the space (provided the capacity of the bus was not exceeded). He ought to have been allowed access. Or he could have been refused access due to his language and attitude (making it clear that it is NOT due to his disability). In those circumstances, the bus driver would have been wise to have aquired reliable witnesses..... by the time all that was done, the next bus is along, and everyone is delayed.... Any of you posters (not a bus driver already!) want a job on the buses???? Excellent pay. Excellent hours. Work with charming, erudite, grateful people.
[quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]Truth beginning to come out! Unfortunately, not all disable people are sweetness and light. But at the end of the day, the disabled person's poor attitude is actually a seperate matter from his right of access to the space (provided the capacity of the bus was not exceeded). He ought to have been allowed access. Or he could have been refused access due to his language and attitude (making it clear that it is NOT due to his disability). In those circumstances, the bus driver would have been wise to have aquired reliable witnesses..... by the time all that was done, the next bus is along, and everyone is delayed.... Any of you posters (not a bus driver already!) want a job on the buses???? Excellent pay. Excellent hours. Work with charming, erudite, grateful people. bustard
  • Score: 7

9:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bustard says...

donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
Truth beginning to come out! Unfortunately, not all disable people are sweetness and light. But at the end of the day, the disabled person's poor attitude is actually a seperate matter from his right of access to the space (provided the capacity of the bus was not exceeded). He ought to have been allowed access. Or he could have been refused access due to his language and attitude (making it clear that it is NOT due to his disability). In those circumstances, the bus driver would have been wise to have aquired reliable witnesses..... by the time all that was done, the next bus is along, and everyone is delayed.... Any of you posters (not a bus driver already!) want a job on the buses???? Excellent pay. Excellent hours. Work with charming, erudite, grateful people.
[quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]Truth beginning to come out! Unfortunately, not all disable people are sweetness and light. But at the end of the day, the disabled person's poor attitude is actually a seperate matter from his right of access to the space (provided the capacity of the bus was not exceeded). He ought to have been allowed access. Or he could have been refused access due to his language and attitude (making it clear that it is NOT due to his disability). In those circumstances, the bus driver would have been wise to have aquired reliable witnesses..... by the time all that was done, the next bus is along, and everyone is delayed.... Any of you posters (not a bus driver already!) want a job on the buses???? Excellent pay. Excellent hours. Work with charming, erudite, grateful people. bustard
  • Score: 0

10:04pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Harry Bong says...

For the lady with the push chair to move to allow the wheelchair on would have caused the aisle to be blocked which could have caused a more serious health and safety issue in the event of an emergency. If the gentleman in the wheelchair believes what he is saying then if when a bus is full, as I have a monthly pass which effectively means I have PAID my fare in advance, then someone who has a free pass ie OAP should be forced to get off so I can get on. SORRY IF THE BUS IS FULL TOUGH. DEAL WITH IT, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO.
For the lady with the push chair to move to allow the wheelchair on would have caused the aisle to be blocked which could have caused a more serious health and safety issue in the event of an emergency. If the gentleman in the wheelchair believes what he is saying then if when a bus is full, as I have a monthly pass which effectively means I have PAID my fare in advance, then someone who has a free pass ie OAP should be forced to get off so I can get on. SORRY IF THE BUS IS FULL TOUGH. DEAL WITH IT, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO. Harry Bong
  • Score: 0

10:05pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bustard says...

midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.
But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****
And, it is testament to the thinking processes of Southampton folk, and Milbrook ones in particular, that, when a bus driver has correctly and politely informed a would-be passenger of some fact that the would-be passenger does not like, then the standard response is to call the driver a "f****** w*****!!".... as if that will result in the driver relenting and changing his mind!
[quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass[/p][/quote]No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.[/p][/quote]But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****[/p][/quote]And, it is testament to the thinking processes of Southampton folk, and Milbrook ones in particular, that, when a bus driver has correctly and politely informed a would-be passenger of some fact that the would-be passenger does not like, then the standard response is to call the driver a "f****** w*****!!".... as if that will result in the driver relenting and changing his mind! bustard
  • Score: 3

10:05pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Harry Bong says...

userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
No they don't. Check your facts first.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]No they don't. Check your facts first. Harry Bong
  • Score: -2

10:05pm Thu 7 Aug 14

jen1 says...

Hmm, looking at the picture of the daughter, she may well have benefited from pushing her dad to the hospital rather than getting the bus.
Hmm, looking at the picture of the daughter, she may well have benefited from pushing her dad to the hospital rather than getting the bus. jen1
  • Score: 7

10:08pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Harry Bong says...

Nimble thief wrote:
I am a bus driver in Basingstoke. The law clearly states that this wheelchair traveller has a right to the space allocated to wheelchairs. If a pushchair is in that space and there is space available elsewhere, or room for it to be folded, then the driver is compelled BY LAW to get the pushchair user to make way for the wheelchair. Only if there is nowhere else for the pushchair to go as the bus is full, can the driver apologise and ask the wheelchair holder to wait for the next bus. If the pushchair user refuses to move when space is available then the driver is advised to call their control office. If there is already one wheelchair on the bus, a driver must again refuse the second wheelchair holder as it is a major safety risk to have more than one on board. Sadly there are too many socially and intellectually inadequate people who make stupid comments about bus drivers. We are for the most part, sensible and intelligent people who have to put up with poorly behaved people.
This bus was FULL, I WAS ON IT.
[quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: I am a bus driver in Basingstoke. The law clearly states that this wheelchair traveller has a right to the space allocated to wheelchairs. If a pushchair is in that space and there is space available elsewhere, or room for it to be folded, then the driver is compelled BY LAW to get the pushchair user to make way for the wheelchair. Only if there is nowhere else for the pushchair to go as the bus is full, can the driver apologise and ask the wheelchair holder to wait for the next bus. If the pushchair user refuses to move when space is available then the driver is advised to call their control office. If there is already one wheelchair on the bus, a driver must again refuse the second wheelchair holder as it is a major safety risk to have more than one on board. Sadly there are too many socially and intellectually inadequate people who make stupid comments about bus drivers. We are for the most part, sensible and intelligent people who have to put up with poorly behaved people.[/p][/quote]This bus was FULL, I WAS ON IT. Harry Bong
  • Score: 2

10:08pm Thu 7 Aug 14

forest hump says...

midgetgem123 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar.
I drive a BLUESTAR bus everyday and it DOES NOT have a radio fitted
Mr Gem, do not waste your breath! He is nothing more than a contentious , pious wind up merchant.
[quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar.[/p][/quote]I drive a BLUESTAR bus everyday and it DOES NOT have a radio fitted[/p][/quote]Mr Gem, do not waste your breath! He is nothing more than a contentious , pious wind up merchant. forest hump
  • Score: 4

10:13pm Thu 7 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Probably a good decision on behalf of the bus driver. I'm sure they're used to being abused etc. Imagine if he asked someone to move the pushchair and they kicked off, he's placing all of his passengers in danger.
Probably a good decision on behalf of the bus driver. I'm sure they're used to being abused etc. Imagine if he asked someone to move the pushchair and they kicked off, he's placing all of his passengers in danger. IronLady2010
  • Score: 1

10:14pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bustard says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar.
The fact that SOME buses have radios does not mean that ALL buses have them Or that the radio actually works, Or that there is someone at the other end who can be arsed to answer it. Handbrake ON, Engine off:, get out of cab and use mobile (the driver does not actually need to get right off the bus). Someone MIGHT just answer.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]Yes you DO have radios, I've been on buses when they've used them, you stupid liar.[/p][/quote]The fact that SOME buses have radios does not mean that ALL buses have them Or that the radio actually works, Or that there is someone at the other end who can be arsed to answer it. Handbrake ON, Engine off:, get out of cab and use mobile (the driver does not actually need to get right off the bus). Someone MIGHT just answer. bustard
  • Score: 1

10:16pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bustard says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
midgetgem123 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
yellowhedgepig wrote:
Nimble thief wrote:
Gumbo82 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is
He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.
Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.
He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.
Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this
No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?
You said it yourself blue star
I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.
Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass
No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.
But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****
A lot of Bluestar drivers ARE w@nkers.
Learnt how to be from the passengers.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midgetgem123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhedgepig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nimble thief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gumbo82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]I doubt he will lose his job.......first are short staffed as it is[/p][/quote]He will get disciplined and probably a warning. He will get retrained. It's not a sackable offence.......unless he's being closely monitored for previous offences. If First get fined, then he will probably on his last warning.[/p][/quote]Trust me he will not get sacked, and why should he. Put in a very difficult situation. Where will it end, is the driver going to be responsible for which disabled person is more disabled.[/p][/quote]He shouldn't have to. The driver should have asked the lady to put her pushchair down. If she refused he should have radio for assistance. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the law on these matters but the driver should. It's his job.[/p][/quote]Someone like me, I am a bus driver and I can tell you something for free. If I asked someone to move or fold down a pushchair and they refused then that would be the end of that. We have no radio to call up for assistance and if we use our mobile phone you can bet the company would discipline me for using it while on the bus. But then someone like you probably wouldn't know this[/p][/quote]No radio. BS. What firm do you work for?[/p][/quote]You said it yourself blue star[/p][/quote]I know for a fact bluestar have radios because a driver once radioed in to query if a travel pass I had was valid.[/p][/quote]Bluestar do not have radios fitted to their buses. As a driver we are made too use our own mobile phones too make contact with control. I'm guessing you was on a first bus when he radioed through to check your pass[/p][/quote]No, it was a BS bus. He may have used a mobile. He contacted someone in the office.[/p][/quote]But you quoted you know for a fact bluestar have radios and I know for a genuine fact the whole fleet off bluestar are NOT fitted with radios. Every bus driver is delt the same brush. we take all the stick yet most of the issues with procedures and buses running late is not the bus drivers fault yet every bus driver seems too be a w*****[/p][/quote]A lot of Bluestar drivers ARE w@nkers.[/p][/quote]Learnt how to be from the passengers. bustard
  • Score: 4

10:20pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bustard says...

windyboy wrote:
donna2587 wrote:
I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.
I to was on this bus, and can confirm Donna's comments. There was a child in the pushchair, and the luggage rack was already in use. The driver did well to keep his composure despite the foul mouthed tirade aimed at him, which could clearly be heard by myself and my wife and we were sat towards the rear of the bus. I do not think the next bus would have been far behind as we were probably running a bit late as the ticket machine was not working, and we have a long delay in the City Centre while they found a working replacement, and that took two attempts.
I don't claim to know anything about the rules regarding the protocol in such situations, but i feel it would be a total misjustice if the driver who was courteous and respectful is disciplined over this matter
May be helpful if you wrote in to Farcebus saying this.
[quote][p][bold]windyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donna2587[/bold] wrote: I was on this bus at the time. He didn't ask the bus driver or lady with pram to put it down. He was damb right rude, nasty and vile and it's not the first time I've seen him like this. I don't blame the woman for not putting it down the way he was acting and language he was using with children on the bus including mine. The driver phoned through to the next bus due to make sure there was a space available. Can't believe the cheek of this man going to the papers he is vile.he could of got an earlier bus if was so important.[/p][/quote]I to was on this bus, and can confirm Donna's comments. There was a child in the pushchair, and the luggage rack was already in use. The driver did well to keep his composure despite the foul mouthed tirade aimed at him, which could clearly be heard by myself and my wife and we were sat towards the rear of the bus. I do not think the next bus would have been far behind as we were probably running a bit late as the ticket machine was not working, and we have a long delay in the City Centre while they found a working replacement, and that took two attempts. I don't claim to know anything about the rules regarding the protocol in such situations, but i feel it would be a total misjustice if the driver who was courteous and respectful is disciplined over this matter[/p][/quote]May be helpful if you wrote in to Farcebus saying this. bustard
  • Score: 3

10:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

999medic says...

A quick question how is a the wheelchair secured and b how is the wheelchair user secured when the bus is in motion? Also this excuse of an individual managed to get into a taxi post the event so can't be that hard for him to use a wheelchair friendly taxi, at least he'd be secured properly during transfer.
A quick question how is a the wheelchair secured and b how is the wheelchair user secured when the bus is in motion? Also this excuse of an individual managed to get into a taxi post the event so can't be that hard for him to use a wheelchair friendly taxi, at least he'd be secured properly during transfer. 999medic
  • Score: 4

10:44pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bustard says...

999medic wrote:
A quick question how is a the wheelchair secured and b how is the wheelchair user secured when the bus is in motion? Also this excuse of an individual managed to get into a taxi post the event so can't be that hard for him to use a wheelchair friendly taxi, at least he'd be secured properly during transfer.
Wheelchair goes into w/c area, facing back of bus, w/c reversed up against a vertical padded cushion that doubles as a headrest. Driver checks w/c brakes are applies (can be verbal). There is often (always?) an armrest that can be dropped, the w/c then cannot tip backwards when bus is braking, or to either side when bus is cornering. User has dedicated bellpush that lights a different symbol on the dashboard, and also makes a different noise to usual bell, so driver knows when user wants to get off. Although no floor locks, or belts, which is what you would get in an ordinary disabled ambulance/bus, the setup is all passed by the Elfin Safety wallahs.
[quote][p][bold]999medic[/bold] wrote: A quick question how is a the wheelchair secured and b how is the wheelchair user secured when the bus is in motion? Also this excuse of an individual managed to get into a taxi post the event so can't be that hard for him to use a wheelchair friendly taxi, at least he'd be secured properly during transfer.[/p][/quote]Wheelchair goes into w/c area, facing back of bus, w/c reversed up against a vertical padded cushion that doubles as a headrest. Driver checks w/c brakes are applies (can be verbal). There is often (always?) an armrest that can be dropped, the w/c then cannot tip backwards when bus is braking, or to either side when bus is cornering. User has dedicated bellpush that lights a different symbol on the dashboard, and also makes a different noise to usual bell, so driver knows when user wants to get off. Although no floor locks, or belts, which is what you would get in an ordinary disabled ambulance/bus, the setup is all passed by the Elfin Safety wallahs. bustard
  • Score: 0

10:52pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Rob444 says...

Balatsie wrote:
Cpc states now one in a dicabled bay by law has to give up a space if they have payed to travel,the driver can ask if they would give it up but if they refuse tuff,disabled are always aking not to be treated any different, patient trasport taxi comunity bus, think before you travel,not driver error
Failed English at school ?
[quote][p][bold]Balatsie[/bold] wrote: Cpc states now one in a dicabled bay by law has to give up a space if they have payed to travel,the driver can ask if they would give it up but if they refuse tuff,disabled are always aking not to be treated any different, patient trasport taxi comunity bus, think before you travel,not driver error[/p][/quote]Failed English at school ? Rob444
  • Score: 2

12:48am Fri 8 Aug 14

timewaster1 says...

On a lot of buses there are signs displayed saying that the space is for a wheel chair user and any push chairs should be folded to allow that wheelchair user to use the space. If the person in question was abusive (as other passengers have suggested) the driver was in his rights not to allow him on.
Although I am a pensioner (and disabled) I agree that a lot of elderly people are rude. I hasten to add that I am not one of them. I usually try to sit at the front of the bus because there is usually more leg room and it makes it easier for me with my crutches. Again there are signs on most buses that say the front seat are for disabled or the elderly. I am both. I got on the bus one afternoon and it was fairly full. Not one single person moved and I don't like to ask because you either get a lot of abuse or you are ignored. I ended up having to seat on the long seat at the very back of the bus which also meant I had steps to climb. Luckily the driver waited until I was sat down before he moved off but nowadays people don't seem to have any respect for disabled or elderly. I got on the bus yesterday afternoon and there was another lady on crutches, me, an elderly husband and wife and another lady. I'm not sure who got to the stop first because I was one of the last ones to get there but the man pushed to front of the queue and got on first and sat in one of the front seats. His wife stood to one side to allow me and the other disabled lady to get on the bus first. The man could walk far better than either of us. To be fair, that was a one off. Most people are very good and allow disabled or elderly to get on first.
On another occasion the same disabled lady and myself were on the same bus. She got on before me and was standing. I got on at central station and she told me that she had asked if someone would give her a seat (the bus was full) and she was completely ignored. The two of us, on our crutches stood until we reached the General Hospital and even then there was only one seat which I offered to her because she had stood longer. She declined because she was getting off a couple of stops later and I was going to Lordshill. After standing all that time, I had a 25 minute walk to get home (it used to take me half that when I was able bodied). I didn't go to the Echo to report that we weren't given a seat although the driver knew we were standing as we were right at the front.
On a lot of buses there are signs displayed saying that the space is for a wheel chair user and any push chairs should be folded to allow that wheelchair user to use the space. If the person in question was abusive (as other passengers have suggested) the driver was in his rights not to allow him on. Although I am a pensioner (and disabled) I agree that a lot of elderly people are rude. I hasten to add that I am not one of them. I usually try to sit at the front of the bus because there is usually more leg room and it makes it easier for me with my crutches. Again there are signs on most buses that say the front seat are for disabled or the elderly. I am both. I got on the bus one afternoon and it was fairly full. Not one single person moved and I don't like to ask because you either get a lot of abuse or you are ignored. I ended up having to seat on the long seat at the very back of the bus which also meant I had steps to climb. Luckily the driver waited until I was sat down before he moved off but nowadays people don't seem to have any respect for disabled or elderly. I got on the bus yesterday afternoon and there was another lady on crutches, me, an elderly husband and wife and another lady. I'm not sure who got to the stop first because I was one of the last ones to get there but the man pushed to front of the queue and got on first and sat in one of the front seats. His wife stood to one side to allow me and the other disabled lady to get on the bus first. The man could walk far better than either of us. To be fair, that was a one off. Most people are very good and allow disabled or elderly to get on first. On another occasion the same disabled lady and myself were on the same bus. She got on before me and was standing. I got on at central station and she told me that she had asked if someone would give her a seat (the bus was full) and she was completely ignored. The two of us, on our crutches stood until we reached the General Hospital and even then there was only one seat which I offered to her because she had stood longer. She declined because she was getting off a couple of stops later and I was going to Lordshill. After standing all that time, I had a 25 minute walk to get home (it used to take me half that when I was able bodied). I didn't go to the Echo to report that we weren't given a seat although the driver knew we were standing as we were right at the front. timewaster1
  • Score: 3

5:57am Fri 8 Aug 14

bustard says...

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  • Score: 0

10:02am Fri 8 Aug 14

puppyfat says...

I agree some bus drivers are not very well mannered, but then some people in wheelchairs think they are top priority. i think this man in particular thinks he has more rights than others hence the reason he uses his wheelchair as an excuse. If he had miles to travel i would have expected him to moan but not to act like a thug with filthy language. AND the hospital is not far from where he was, his daughter should have started walking him to the hospital , if they dont like waiting.
I agree some bus drivers are not very well mannered, but then some people in wheelchairs think they are top priority. i think this man in particular thinks he has more rights than others hence the reason he uses his wheelchair as an excuse. If he had miles to travel i would have expected him to moan but not to act like a thug with filthy language. AND the hospital is not far from where he was, his daughter should have started walking him to the hospital , if they dont like waiting. puppyfat
  • Score: 4

11:18am Fri 8 Aug 14

paraboy says...

puppyfat wrote:
I agree some bus drivers are not very well mannered, but then some people in wheelchairs think they are top priority. i think this man in particular thinks he has more rights than others hence the reason he uses his wheelchair as an excuse. If he had miles to travel i would have expected him to moan but not to act like a thug with filthy language. AND the hospital is not far from where he was, his daughter should have started walking him to the hospital , if they dont like waiting.
may i add i am a wheelchair user it hard work being in one not as easy as you think i would like anyone to have ago but you are right bad language there is no need for it from any one
[quote][p][bold]puppyfat[/bold] wrote: I agree some bus drivers are not very well mannered, but then some people in wheelchairs think they are top priority. i think this man in particular thinks he has more rights than others hence the reason he uses his wheelchair as an excuse. If he had miles to travel i would have expected him to moan but not to act like a thug with filthy language. AND the hospital is not far from where he was, his daughter should have started walking him to the hospital , if they dont like waiting.[/p][/quote]may i add i am a wheelchair user it hard work being in one not as easy as you think i would like anyone to have ago but you are right bad language there is no need for it from any one paraboy
  • Score: 2

11:18am Fri 8 Aug 14

paraboy says...

puppyfat wrote:
I agree some bus drivers are not very well mannered, but then some people in wheelchairs think they are top priority. i think this man in particular thinks he has more rights than others hence the reason he uses his wheelchair as an excuse. If he had miles to travel i would have expected him to moan but not to act like a thug with filthy language. AND the hospital is not far from where he was, his daughter should have started walking him to the hospital , if they dont like waiting.
may i add i am a wheelchair user it hard work being in one not as easy as you think i would like anyone to have ago but you are right bad language there is no need for it from any one
[quote][p][bold]puppyfat[/bold] wrote: I agree some bus drivers are not very well mannered, but then some people in wheelchairs think they are top priority. i think this man in particular thinks he has more rights than others hence the reason he uses his wheelchair as an excuse. If he had miles to travel i would have expected him to moan but not to act like a thug with filthy language. AND the hospital is not far from where he was, his daughter should have started walking him to the hospital , if they dont like waiting.[/p][/quote]may i add i am a wheelchair user it hard work being in one not as easy as you think i would like anyone to have ago but you are right bad language there is no need for it from any one paraboy
  • Score: 0

11:46am Fri 8 Aug 14

sla100 says...

userds5050 wrote:
itsnotjustice wrote:
userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him....

ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins?????

and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.
I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.
Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him.... ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins????? and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.[/p][/quote]I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself. sla100
  • Score: 3

12:15pm Fri 8 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

sla100 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
itsnotjustice wrote:
userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him....

ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins?????

and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.
I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.
Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.
I couldn't give a **** what you think.
[quote][p][bold]sla100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him.... ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins????? and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.[/p][/quote]I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.[/p][/quote]I couldn't give a **** what you think. userds5050
  • Score: -2

1:22pm Fri 8 Aug 14

BeyondImagination says...

There should be a space for mothers with pushchairs too. Once it's full anyone else should fold up their pushchair or wait for the next bus. It's a shame this man resorted to being abusive but is it any wonder when you read the attitudes to disabled people in here. Whether it's bus travel, mobility scooters, "free" motability cars or blue badge parking, disabled people are subjected to torrents of abuse.
Not being disabled is a temporary situatation. Most disabled people start off not having a visible disability and become disabled during their lives due to disease, accidents, wars. Being fat is rarely a cause of disability but is a result of limited mobility, the illness and psychological effects of becoming disabled. Obesity is not exclusive to mobility scooter users. Try sitting in a wheelchair where you get a much lower than eye level view of the person in front ad see how widespread (excuse the pun) fat bottoms are.
There should be a space for mothers with pushchairs too. Once it's full anyone else should fold up their pushchair or wait for the next bus. It's a shame this man resorted to being abusive but is it any wonder when you read the attitudes to disabled people in here. Whether it's bus travel, mobility scooters, "free" motability cars or blue badge parking, disabled people are subjected to torrents of abuse. Not being disabled is a temporary situatation. Most disabled people start off not having a visible disability and become disabled during their lives due to disease, accidents, wars. Being fat is rarely a cause of disability but is a result of limited mobility, the illness and psychological effects of becoming disabled. Obesity is not exclusive to mobility scooter users. Try sitting in a wheelchair where you get a much lower than eye level view of the person in front ad see how widespread (excuse the pun) fat bottoms are. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 2

3:01pm Fri 8 Aug 14

sla100 says...

userds5050 wrote:
sla100 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
itsnotjustice wrote:
userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him....

ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins?????

and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.
I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.
Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.
I couldn't give a **** what you think.
Ha Ha Ditto, couldn't give a ***t what you think either. I am LMAO what a complete idiot you are. Incapable of reasonable debate, incapable of being civil, my god I pity the people that have to live with you.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sla100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him.... ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins????? and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.[/p][/quote]I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.[/p][/quote]I couldn't give a **** what you think.[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ditto, couldn't give a ***t what you think either. I am LMAO what a complete idiot you are. Incapable of reasonable debate, incapable of being civil, my god I pity the people that have to live with you. sla100
  • Score: 2

3:20pm Fri 8 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

sla100 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
sla100 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
itsnotjustice wrote:
userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him....

ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins?????

and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.
I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.
Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.
I couldn't give a **** what you think.
Ha Ha Ditto, couldn't give a ***t what you think either. I am LMAO what a complete idiot you are. Incapable of reasonable debate, incapable of being civil, my god I pity the people that have to live with you.
What have you put on here on any note? Where have you been civil? Not seeing much reasoned debate from you either unless you count accusing me of being Mr McDonald. You chavs can dish it out but...
[quote][p][bold]sla100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sla100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him.... ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins????? and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.[/p][/quote]I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.[/p][/quote]I couldn't give a **** what you think.[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ditto, couldn't give a ***t what you think either. I am LMAO what a complete idiot you are. Incapable of reasonable debate, incapable of being civil, my god I pity the people that have to live with you.[/p][/quote]What have you put on here on any note? Where have you been civil? Not seeing much reasoned debate from you either unless you count accusing me of being Mr McDonald. You chavs can dish it out but... userds5050
  • Score: 0

4:03pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Donald2000 says...

itsnotjustice wrote:
Fail to see why this is news..... It says he has a free bus pass because of his age, so he was not a paying customer either....
If people pay to get on the bus then they have a right to sit where ever they want and the driver cannot force anyone to move....Its upto the public to offer.... If this bus was full where was the mother and baby suppose to sit???

and whats the bit about rain got to do with it???? the stop quite clearly has a shelter....

some people just want to get in the news.
I don't see where the law distinguishes between paying and non paying customers. You are no better than any other passenger before you pay and in any case, the law is applicable to all that you may have a concessionary bus pass once you pass the applicable age. May I also remind you that a lot of concessionary fare holders have paid a lifetime of tax and national insurance. Mostly so that ignoramuses like you can grumble and grouse that they are getting something. They are getting something, nearer to death, you bunny boiler.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: Fail to see why this is news..... It says he has a free bus pass because of his age, so he was not a paying customer either.... If people pay to get on the bus then they have a right to sit where ever they want and the driver cannot force anyone to move....Its upto the public to offer.... If this bus was full where was the mother and baby suppose to sit??? and whats the bit about rain got to do with it???? the stop quite clearly has a shelter.... some people just want to get in the news.[/p][/quote]I don't see where the law distinguishes between paying and non paying customers. You are no better than any other passenger before you pay and in any case, the law is applicable to all that you may have a concessionary bus pass once you pass the applicable age. May I also remind you that a lot of concessionary fare holders have paid a lifetime of tax and national insurance. Mostly so that ignoramuses like you can grumble and grouse that they are getting something. They are getting something, nearer to death, you bunny boiler. Donald2000
  • Score: 2

6:34pm Fri 8 Aug 14

sla100 says...

userds5050 wrote:
sla100 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
sla100 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
itsnotjustice wrote:
userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him....

ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins?????

and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.
I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.
Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.
I couldn't give a **** what you think.
Ha Ha Ditto, couldn't give a ***t what you think either. I am LMAO what a complete idiot you are. Incapable of reasonable debate, incapable of being civil, my god I pity the people that have to live with you.
What have you put on here on any note? Where have you been civil? Not seeing much reasoned debate from you either unless you count accusing me of being Mr McDonald. You chavs can dish it out but...
I could say the same for you user, you are incapable of civilised debate, every post you have made on this thread has been given the thumbs down, you have been abusive with your name calling, and are clearly lacking in any social skills whatsoever. If someone disagrees with your comments your response is to call people names. You clearly have anger issues, and I would strongly suggest you seek help. If you need assistance with finding someone let me know. I have been gainfully employed by the NHS for 35 years as a psychiatrist, and I am sure I can point you in the right direction. I'll try not to recommend anyone who is remotely chavvy.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sla100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sla100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him.... ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins????? and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.[/p][/quote]I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.[/p][/quote]I couldn't give a **** what you think.[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ditto, couldn't give a ***t what you think either. I am LMAO what a complete idiot you are. Incapable of reasonable debate, incapable of being civil, my god I pity the people that have to live with you.[/p][/quote]What have you put on here on any note? Where have you been civil? Not seeing much reasoned debate from you either unless you count accusing me of being Mr McDonald. You chavs can dish it out but...[/p][/quote]I could say the same for you user, you are incapable of civilised debate, every post you have made on this thread has been given the thumbs down, you have been abusive with your name calling, and are clearly lacking in any social skills whatsoever. If someone disagrees with your comments your response is to call people names. You clearly have anger issues, and I would strongly suggest you seek help. If you need assistance with finding someone let me know. I have been gainfully employed by the NHS for 35 years as a psychiatrist, and I am sure I can point you in the right direction. I'll try not to recommend anyone who is remotely chavvy. sla100
  • Score: 4

8:53pm Fri 8 Aug 14

bucktoom says...

I sometimes need to use a wheelchair and on those days there is no way I'd use public transport. Perhaps it shouldn't be this way but buses are far from disabled friendly. To be honest, I don't think they're particularly parent friendly either......I certainly wouldn't want to take a baby on the bus.
I sometimes need to use a wheelchair and on those days there is no way I'd use public transport. Perhaps it shouldn't be this way but buses are far from disabled friendly. To be honest, I don't think they're particularly parent friendly either......I certainly wouldn't want to take a baby on the bus. bucktoom
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Fri 8 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

sla100 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
sla100 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
sla100 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
itsnotjustice wrote:
userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him....

ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins?????

and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.
I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.
Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.
I couldn't give a **** what you think.
Ha Ha Ditto, couldn't give a ***t what you think either. I am LMAO what a complete idiot you are. Incapable of reasonable debate, incapable of being civil, my god I pity the people that have to live with you.
What have you put on here on any note? Where have you been civil? Not seeing much reasoned debate from you either unless you count accusing me of being Mr McDonald. You chavs can dish it out but...
I could say the same for you user, you are incapable of civilised debate, every post you have made on this thread has been given the thumbs down, you have been abusive with your name calling, and are clearly lacking in any social skills whatsoever. If someone disagrees with your comments your response is to call people names. You clearly have anger issues, and I would strongly suggest you seek help. If you need assistance with finding someone let me know. I have been gainfully employed by the NHS for 35 years as a psychiatrist, and I am sure I can point you in the right direction. I'll try not to recommend anyone who is remotely chavvy.
So the thumbs up is the barometer of a good post now is it? *shakes head* The day I stop getting angry at numpies like you is the day I'll seek professional help.
[quote][p][bold]sla100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sla100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sla100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: userds5050 has gone from someone putting a point across thinking he knows the law, to some one just being abusive...calling people SCUM because they disagree with him.... ive spoke to some people who use the same bus as this guy and on more than once he has been abusive to people....ALSO, u said if people refuse to move the driver can call for assistance..... who will arrive first....the police???? superman???? or the next bus that was due in 15 mins????? and you found one case of first getting sued.... while reading this at the bottom of the page theres more articles about bus companies NOT being in the wrong, but ofcourse, you didnt link to them. fool.[/p][/quote]I called someone scum because they called the disabled man vile first. Got nothing to do with people disageeing with me. The buses would do well to take the example of the train companies, where the law is much clearer and it is signposted wheelchair users have precedent over other passengers ect... Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]Not sure why you continue to be so rude, the man in question was called vile because he was swearing at, not just the bus driver, but others on the bus where there were a number of small children, which quite frankly is not acceptable behaviour. You call one person scum, you tell an employee of Blue Star that he is a liar, and now you are calling people hypocrites. I think userds5050 is actually Mr McDonald himself.[/p][/quote]I couldn't give a **** what you think.[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ditto, couldn't give a ***t what you think either. I am LMAO what a complete idiot you are. Incapable of reasonable debate, incapable of being civil, my god I pity the people that have to live with you.[/p][/quote]What have you put on here on any note? Where have you been civil? Not seeing much reasoned debate from you either unless you count accusing me of being Mr McDonald. You chavs can dish it out but...[/p][/quote]I could say the same for you user, you are incapable of civilised debate, every post you have made on this thread has been given the thumbs down, you have been abusive with your name calling, and are clearly lacking in any social skills whatsoever. If someone disagrees with your comments your response is to call people names. You clearly have anger issues, and I would strongly suggest you seek help. If you need assistance with finding someone let me know. I have been gainfully employed by the NHS for 35 years as a psychiatrist, and I am sure I can point you in the right direction. I'll try not to recommend anyone who is remotely chavvy.[/p][/quote]So the thumbs up is the barometer of a good post now is it? *shakes head* The day I stop getting angry at numpies like you is the day I'll seek professional help. userds5050
  • Score: 1

12:21am Sat 9 Aug 14

Dave Of The South says...

userds5050 wrote:
Proudmumoftwins wrote:
So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!!
No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.
Yes in law the wheelchair "trumps" the pushchair. Driver should have asked pushchair parent to fold it down. If they refused, then contact depot, & then police. It is a law. End of debate. Why are you all continuing to debate this? That's it. Show is over.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proudmumoftwins[/bold] wrote: So he's a paying customer but the pushchair isn't yet it states he gets a free bus pass or am I missing something here?? That's the way buses run if someone has occupied that space first then it's unlucky, If the pram was empty it maybe slightly different. Pretty sure buses are quite frequent around that area anyway!![/p][/quote]No it isn't. Wheelchair users have precedent over pushchairs ect... What this driver did is again the law. He will quite rightly lose his job over this.[/p][/quote]Yes in law the wheelchair "trumps" the pushchair. Driver should have asked pushchair parent to fold it down. If they refused, then contact depot, & then police. It is a law. End of debate. Why are you all continuing to debate this? That's it. Show is over. Dave Of The South
  • Score: 1

11:04am Sat 9 Aug 14

forest hump says...

The debate is not about wheelchairs or pushchairs. It is quite simply about horrible people who do not have any respect for others.
The debate is not about wheelchairs or pushchairs. It is quite simply about horrible people who do not have any respect for others. forest hump
  • Score: 1

7:45am Sun 10 Aug 14

kl1987 says...

I would have given the space up for a the wheelchair user but my daughter is disabled. So would it have been ok to move her so she was uncomfortable. Also the man was very rude saying a lot of swear words while children were on the bus.
I would have given the space up for a the wheelchair user but my daughter is disabled. So would it have been ok to move her so she was uncomfortable. Also the man was very rude saying a lot of swear words while children were on the bus. kl1987
  • Score: 1

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