A31 road to get 70 new signs to improve safety record

The A31

The A31

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AS MANY AS 70 new signs are about to be installed on one of Hampshire's busiest roads in a bid to cut the accident rate.

The Highways Agency says 70 signs on the A31 between Ringwood and Cadnam will boost safety on the route, which has seen a spate of fatal crashes in the past few weeks.

Victims include 16-year-old Jade Clark, of Ringwood, who was killed in a crash near the town last year.

The new signs follow a long campaign by Ringwood Town Council and New Forest West MP Desmond Swayne.

Highways Agency asset manager Philip Sheppard said: “Safety is a top priority for the Highways Agency and the installation of these signs will help drivers on their journeys along the A31, helping them to pick the correct lanes for their trip and avoid last-minute lane changes.”

Work on the scheme is due to start on Monday and will result in several overnight closures of the A31.

The westbound carriageway between the M27 and the A338 Ringwood roundabout will be closed between 10pm and 6am on August 18, August 19, August 26, August 27, September 1 and September 2.

Further overnight closures between Poulner Hill and the Verwood Interchange will occur on August 28, September 3, September 4 and September 8.

Drivers travelling westbound will be diverted via the A326, A35, A3060 and A338.

Similar overnight closures on the eastbound carriageway will take place between the Ashley Heath roundabout and the M27, August 20 and 21.

Drivers travelling eastbound will be diverted via the A338, A3060, A35 and A326.

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11:35am Fri 15 Aug 14

befriendly says...

No amount of signs will protect against Idiotic drivers. It's not a pretty sight, but a good reminder by having black painted people silhouettes with number painted on every so often. I've seen it in France and people were driving carefully.
No amount of signs will protect against Idiotic drivers. It's not a pretty sight, but a good reminder by having black painted people silhouettes with number painted on every so often. I've seen it in France and people were driving carefully. befriendly
  • Score: 32

11:40am Fri 15 Aug 14

Ozmosis says...

"spate of fatal crashes in the past few weeks." Has it? It has seen fatal crashes over the years but there have not been a spate of FATAL crashes in the past few weeks. Exaggeration to sell a story.
"spate of fatal crashes in the past few weeks." Has it? It has seen fatal crashes over the years but there have not been a spate of FATAL crashes in the past few weeks. Exaggeration to sell a story. Ozmosis
  • Score: 17

11:47am Fri 15 Aug 14

Dasal says...

No amount of signs can replace plain common sense, which is unfortunately lacking in so many drivers these days !
No amount of signs can replace plain common sense, which is unfortunately lacking in so many drivers these days ! Dasal
  • Score: 32

11:49am Fri 15 Aug 14

Hampshire Corn and Bread says...

I get the impression someone has sat back & thought...Hmm how can we be seen to be doing something & not spend too much money...I know! Signs!
I get the impression someone has sat back & thought...Hmm how can we be seen to be doing something & not spend too much money...I know! Signs! Hampshire Corn and Bread
  • Score: 34

11:54am Fri 15 Aug 14

miltonarcher says...

Trouble is bikers go way too fast to read the signs!
Trouble is bikers go way too fast to read the signs! miltonarcher
  • Score: -15

11:55am Fri 15 Aug 14

dango says...

Recent studies found that more road signs caused an 'information overload' leading to confusion and more accidents.
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Recent studies found that more road signs caused an 'information overload' leading to confusion and more accidents. http://www.aviva.co. uk/risksolutions/new s/2006/02/16/informa tion-overload-puts-d rivers-in-danger/ http://www.whatcar.c om/News/Detail?tag=d rivers-overloaded-wi th-information&artic leID=218691 http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/4718502.st m dango
  • Score: 27

11:58am Fri 15 Aug 14

acid drop says...

The only way to make this road safe is a heavy police prescence. most driver don't even look at signs
The only way to make this road safe is a heavy police prescence. most driver don't even look at signs acid drop
  • Score: 11

12:16pm Fri 15 Aug 14

vevestai says...

Extra road signs to help reduce accidents!?
Seriously?
Surely if drivers spent more time concentrating on their driving instead of reading excessive signage... Need I say more?
Extra road signs to help reduce accidents!? Seriously? Surely if drivers spent more time concentrating on their driving instead of reading excessive signage... Need I say more? vevestai
  • Score: 16

12:18pm Fri 15 Aug 14

BeyondImagination says...

The sign that will make the biggest difference is 50.
The sign that will make the biggest difference is 50. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 3

12:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Crazywolf says...

many of the accidents start with slow moving vehicles in the outside lane, causing a concertina effect. some way back an inattentive driver doesn't notice this so hits the car in front. While it is clearly his fault, if the concertina wasn't there in the first place......

ban slow moving vehicles (lorries, caravans etc) from the outside lane.
many of the accidents start with slow moving vehicles in the outside lane, causing a concertina effect. some way back an inattentive driver doesn't notice this so hits the car in front. While it is clearly his fault, if the concertina wasn't there in the first place...... ban slow moving vehicles (lorries, caravans etc) from the outside lane. Crazywolf
  • Score: 8

12:25pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Frank28 says...

There will always be crashes on this road; but reducing the speed limit will make future crashes less serious.
There will always be crashes on this road; but reducing the speed limit will make future crashes less serious. Frank28
  • Score: 5

12:30pm Fri 15 Aug 14

huckit P says...

Signs are not the solution, but are only used to say "I told you so" and avoid compensation claims.
Better driver training and a heavy police presence are the only things that will work.
Signs are not the solution, but are only used to say "I told you so" and avoid compensation claims. Better driver training and a heavy police presence are the only things that will work. huckit P
  • Score: 9

1:40pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dangleballs says...

The road actually needs another lane, lorries overtaking lorries is the most irritating thing on the planet!!.
The road actually needs another lane, lorries overtaking lorries is the most irritating thing on the planet!!. dangleballs
  • Score: 16

2:40pm Fri 15 Aug 14

SAR-MEDIC says...

All the signs in the world won't stop crashes on this road!! Drivers need to be more aware of there surroundings, stay off their mobile phones and just concentrate on what they're doing!! Speed isn't an issue! It's driver error!! All the RTC's I've attended on this road have been through driver error!! Spend the money on educating these people and don't waste it on signs and road closures which are, quite frankly just a pain and inconvenience!!
All the signs in the world won't stop crashes on this road!! Drivers need to be more aware of there surroundings, stay off their mobile phones and just concentrate on what they're doing!! Speed isn't an issue! It's driver error!! All the RTC's I've attended on this road have been through driver error!! Spend the money on educating these people and don't waste it on signs and road closures which are, quite frankly just a pain and inconvenience!! SAR-MEDIC
  • Score: 8

2:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

Ridiculous. Signs will be irrelevant to the majority of people who use the road as they know where they're going from using the road every day twice.

Better drivers will reduce the amount of crashes. Plain and simple. Signs don't eradicate inattentive morons.
Ridiculous. Signs will be irrelevant to the majority of people who use the road as they know where they're going from using the road every day twice. Better drivers will reduce the amount of crashes. Plain and simple. Signs don't eradicate inattentive morons. camerajuan
  • Score: 5

2:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

SAR-MEDIC says...

All the signs in the world won't stop crashes on this road!! Drivers need to be more aware of theirsurroundings, stay off their mobile phones and just concentrate on what they're doing!! Speed isn't an issue! It's driver error!! All the RTC's I've attended on this road have been through driver error!! Spend the money on educating these people and don't waste it on signs and road closures which are, quite frankly just a pain and inconvenience!!
All the signs in the world won't stop crashes on this road!! Drivers need to be more aware of theirsurroundings, stay off their mobile phones and just concentrate on what they're doing!! Speed isn't an issue! It's driver error!! All the RTC's I've attended on this road have been through driver error!! Spend the money on educating these people and don't waste it on signs and road closures which are, quite frankly just a pain and inconvenience!! SAR-MEDIC
  • Score: 3

2:54pm Fri 15 Aug 14

S!monOn says...

Crazywolf wrote:
many of the accidents start with slow moving vehicles in the outside lane, causing a concertina effect. some way back an inattentive driver doesn't notice this so hits the car in front. While it is clearly his fault, if the concertina wasn't there in the first place......

ban slow moving vehicles (lorries, caravans etc) from the outside lane.
Concertina effect? You mean domino effect?

Plus, if you can't see the car in front of you until you have to brake hard - you don't deserve to be on the road!!
[quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: many of the accidents start with slow moving vehicles in the outside lane, causing a concertina effect. some way back an inattentive driver doesn't notice this so hits the car in front. While it is clearly his fault, if the concertina wasn't there in the first place...... ban slow moving vehicles (lorries, caravans etc) from the outside lane.[/p][/quote]Concertina effect? You mean domino effect? Plus, if you can't see the car in front of you until you have to brake hard - you don't deserve to be on the road!! S!monOn
  • Score: 2

3:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

S!monOn wrote:
Crazywolf wrote:
many of the accidents start with slow moving vehicles in the outside lane, causing a concertina effect. some way back an inattentive driver doesn't notice this so hits the car in front. While it is clearly his fault, if the concertina wasn't there in the first place......

ban slow moving vehicles (lorries, caravans etc) from the outside lane.
Concertina effect? You mean domino effect?

Plus, if you can't see the car in front of you until you have to brake hard - you don't deserve to be on the road!!
Maybe he meant the shape of the car after the crash and not the crash itself.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: many of the accidents start with slow moving vehicles in the outside lane, causing a concertina effect. some way back an inattentive driver doesn't notice this so hits the car in front. While it is clearly his fault, if the concertina wasn't there in the first place...... ban slow moving vehicles (lorries, caravans etc) from the outside lane.[/p][/quote]Concertina effect? You mean domino effect? Plus, if you can't see the car in front of you until you have to brake hard - you don't deserve to be on the road!![/p][/quote]Maybe he meant the shape of the car after the crash and not the crash itself. camerajuan
  • Score: -7

4:13pm Fri 15 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle.
Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle. good-gosh
  • Score: -14

4:14pm Fri 15 Aug 14

befriendly says...

S!monOn wrote:
Crazywolf wrote:
many of the accidents start with slow moving vehicles in the outside lane, causing a concertina effect. some way back an inattentive driver doesn't notice this so hits the car in front. While it is clearly his fault, if the concertina wasn't there in the first place......

ban slow moving vehicles (lorries, caravans etc) from the outside lane.
Concertina effect? You mean domino effect?

Plus, if you can't see the car in front of you until you have to brake hard - you don't deserve to be on the road!!
Concertina effect = lots of things close together
Domino effect = one thing pushing the next thing over. world record is several hundred thousands dominoes.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: many of the accidents start with slow moving vehicles in the outside lane, causing a concertina effect. some way back an inattentive driver doesn't notice this so hits the car in front. While it is clearly his fault, if the concertina wasn't there in the first place...... ban slow moving vehicles (lorries, caravans etc) from the outside lane.[/p][/quote]Concertina effect? You mean domino effect? Plus, if you can't see the car in front of you until you have to brake hard - you don't deserve to be on the road!![/p][/quote]Concertina effect = lots of things close together Domino effect = one thing pushing the next thing over. world record is several hundred thousands dominoes. befriendly
  • Score: 2

4:37pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

One lot of public sector clerks to reduce "roadside clutter". Another lot of clerks putting up more clutter for the first lot to have taken down later. Truly we deserve to be one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world. But whether our poor grandchildren deserve to be have their futures mortgaged by borrowing for all this tom foolery is another question altogether.
One lot of public sector clerks to reduce "roadside clutter". Another lot of clerks putting up more clutter for the first lot to have taken down later. Truly we deserve to be one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world. But whether our poor grandchildren deserve to be have their futures mortgaged by borrowing for all this tom foolery is another question altogether. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Well Philip Hammond who was the Transport Minister clearly stated that no money was going to be spend on the road as it was deemed unnecessary ........ What else is there left ....
Well Philip Hammond who was the Transport Minister clearly stated that no money was going to be spend on the road as it was deemed unnecessary ........ What else is there left .... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Fri 15 Aug 14

wknight says...

good-gosh wrote:
Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle.
good-gosh said
For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside

WRONG!!!!

Read Highway Code 259
you must give priority to traffic already on the road

This a common problem that people on the slip roads don't adjust their speed to the traffic on the road, and force their way in causing traffic to brake or move to the next lane forcing the traffic behind to slow down
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle.[/p][/quote]good-gosh said For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside WRONG!!!! Read Highway Code 259 you must give priority to traffic already on the road This a common problem that people on the slip roads don't adjust their speed to the traffic on the road, and force their way in causing traffic to brake or move to the next lane forcing the traffic behind to slow down wknight
  • Score: 17

6:16pm Fri 15 Aug 14

vpharm says...

woulbe better to put an unmarked cop car on tha route 24 hours a day
woulbe better to put an unmarked cop car on tha route 24 hours a day vpharm
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Mary80 says...

Signs won't do jack mass re education on NOT tailgating people who are doing the speed limit is a big MUST, i don't drive but have people that drive me around and the amount of times we'd be doing exactly the limit yet get utter morons up our arse i dont have enough fingers and toes to count them. The amounts of bad driving i see makes me wonder why they arent forced to redo their test every few months to get rid of those bad habits
Signs won't do jack mass re education on NOT tailgating people who are doing the speed limit is a big MUST, i don't drive but have people that drive me around and the amount of times we'd be doing exactly the limit yet get utter morons up our arse i dont have enough fingers and toes to count them. The amounts of bad driving i see makes me wonder why they arent forced to redo their test every few months to get rid of those bad habits Mary80
  • Score: -1

7:27pm Fri 15 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

wknight wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle.
good-gosh said
For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside

WRONG!!!!

Read Highway Code 259
you must give priority to traffic already on the road

This a common problem that people on the slip roads don't adjust their speed to the traffic on the road, and force their way in causing traffic to brake or move to the next lane forcing the traffic behind to slow down
NOT WRONG. There is confusion here and that’s why I spelled it out. First up, article 259 is for motorways where acceleration approaches are adequate lengths to get well up to speed before merging.
And the requirement to give way at lower speeds is common sense. But that aside, the 'give way' requirements are indicated by the road markings (on motorways and other roads) – double dashed lines means give way and single dash lines are lane separations. Closely dashed single lines, used for acceleration lanes (and elsewhere) also indicate lane separation with added caution. So when the markings on an acceleration lane change from an unbroken line (do not cross) to a dashed line, the lane is becomes effectively another road lane. And as we know, ANYONE in a lane ahead has the right to pull into ANY other lane ahead providing they give due warning.
[quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle.[/p][/quote]good-gosh said For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside WRONG!!!! Read Highway Code 259 you must give priority to traffic already on the road This a common problem that people on the slip roads don't adjust their speed to the traffic on the road, and force their way in causing traffic to brake or move to the next lane forcing the traffic behind to slow down[/p][/quote]NOT WRONG. There is confusion here and that’s why I spelled it out. First up, article 259 is for motorways where acceleration approaches are adequate lengths to get well up to speed before merging. And the requirement to give way at lower speeds is common sense. But that aside, the 'give way' requirements are indicated by the road markings (on motorways and other roads) – double dashed lines means give way and single dash lines are lane separations. Closely dashed single lines, used for acceleration lanes (and elsewhere) also indicate lane separation with added caution. So when the markings on an acceleration lane change from an unbroken line (do not cross) to a dashed line, the lane is becomes effectively another road lane. And as we know, ANYONE in a lane ahead has the right to pull into ANY other lane ahead providing they give due warning. good-gosh
  • Score: -9

7:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Notice how we never had these problems 10 or more years ago.
Gradually things have got worse & worse then one day you wake up & ask yourself - WHY?
Why more & more road congestion & traffic problems?
Why the worst housing shortage since WWII?
Why more people needing houses than the number of houses we have?
Why is Southamotin social housing queue now 8+ years long?
Answer = Mass immigration.
Vote UKIP
Notice how we never had these problems 10 or more years ago. Gradually things have got worse & worse then one day you wake up & ask yourself - WHY? Why more & more road congestion & traffic problems? Why the worst housing shortage since WWII? Why more people needing houses than the number of houses we have? Why is Southamotin social housing queue now 8+ years long? Answer = Mass immigration. Vote UKIP Pobinr
  • Score: -2

8:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

respectful says...

As a regular user of this some of the existing signage needs re-siting for better advanced warning as so many drivers lane change erratically at Ashley Heath past the filling station (which should be abolished as it is just simply dangerous getting in and out of the place!), as it is quite clear they don't know the area. Agree with most of the above comments generally.
As a regular user of this some of the existing signage needs re-siting for better advanced warning as so many drivers lane change erratically at Ashley Heath past the filling station (which should be abolished as it is just simply dangerous getting in and out of the place!), as it is quite clear they don't know the area. Agree with most of the above comments generally. respectful
  • Score: 1

8:22pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Hotsy373 says...

What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n
ews/uk-england-24146
473
What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-england-24146 473 Hotsy373
  • Score: 0

8:40pm Fri 15 Aug 14

BeyondImagination says...

Hotsy373 wrote:
What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n

ews/uk-england-24146

473
Nobody knows if he was drunk but he should never have been on the road.

The Bournemouth spur road has a 50 limit and much less concentration of junctions and hazards. Not easy to understand why dft is so reluctant to allow a 50 limit.
[quote][p][bold]Hotsy373[/bold] wrote: What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-england-24146 473[/p][/quote]Nobody knows if he was drunk but he should never have been on the road. The Bournemouth spur road has a 50 limit and much less concentration of junctions and hazards. Not easy to understand why dft is so reluctant to allow a 50 limit. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 1

8:56pm Fri 15 Aug 14

D.a.v.e says...

So while you are driving along reading signs you are NOT watching the road. Surely its better not to have distractions when driving.
So while you are driving along reading signs you are NOT watching the road. Surely its better not to have distractions when driving. D.a.v.e
  • Score: -4

9:19pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Hotsy373 says...

Fair enough. Accept no evidence of drunk driving but running into the back of a moped has nothing to do with the road.
Fair enough. Accept no evidence of drunk driving but running into the back of a moped has nothing to do with the road. Hotsy373
  • Score: 0

9:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

BeyondImagination says...

Bad drivers lead to bad accidents.
Bad roads lead to bad accidents.
Bad roads and bad drivers lead to fatal and serious accidents more often than is acceptable.
Government and local authorities can deal with dangerous roads.
Poolice and courts can dealnwith dangerous drivers.
Whilst the local authority want to deal with the dangerous road, they have been let down by government. What a surprise.
Bad drivers lead to bad accidents. Bad roads lead to bad accidents. Bad roads and bad drivers lead to fatal and serious accidents more often than is acceptable. Government and local authorities can deal with dangerous roads. Poolice and courts can dealnwith dangerous drivers. Whilst the local authority want to deal with the dangerous road, they have been let down by government. What a surprise. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 1

9:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

BeyondImagination says...

Bad drivers lead to bad accidents.
Bad roads lead to bad accidents.
Bad roads and bad drivers lead to fatal and serious accidents more often than is acceptable.
Government and local authorities can deal with dangerous roads.
Poolice and courts can dealnwith dangerous drivers.
Whilst the local authority want to deal with the dangerous road, they have been let down by government. What a surprise.
Bad drivers lead to bad accidents. Bad roads lead to bad accidents. Bad roads and bad drivers lead to fatal and serious accidents more often than is acceptable. Government and local authorities can deal with dangerous roads. Poolice and courts can dealnwith dangerous drivers. Whilst the local authority want to deal with the dangerous road, they have been let down by government. What a surprise. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 1

9:47pm Fri 15 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution. forest hump
  • Score: 0

10:03pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
Upgrade all our roads to motorway status to cope with mass immigration
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]Upgrade all our roads to motorway status to cope with mass immigration Pobinr
  • Score: -4

10:11pm Fri 15 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

I used the road several times last week – taking the wife to Bournemouth – nothing wrong with the road – fast, fun and safe. But lane diagram signs before Ringwood would be a useful reminder to get in the right lanes early.
I used the road several times last week – taking the wife to Bournemouth – nothing wrong with the road – fast, fun and safe. But lane diagram signs before Ringwood would be a useful reminder to get in the right lanes early. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

10:13pm Fri 15 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Pobinr wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
Upgrade all our roads to motorway status to cope with mass immigration
I would have added something along similar lines but would be accused of racism. But, irresponsibly opening allowing any Tom, Dick and Hungary into this country was not, is not and will not help this fine country move forward. Those responsible should hang their heads in shame.
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]Upgrade all our roads to motorway status to cope with mass immigration[/p][/quote]I would have added something along similar lines but would be accused of racism. But, irresponsibly opening allowing any Tom, Dick and Hungary into this country was not, is not and will not help this fine country move forward. Those responsible should hang their heads in shame. forest hump
  • Score: -3

3:21am Sat 16 Aug 14

Mary80 says...

Hotsy373 wrote:
What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n

ews/uk-england-24146

473
He wasnt drunk he was a disqualified driver who knocked her down, and instead of helping drove off which then caused ANOTHER CAR to hit her...
[quote][p][bold]Hotsy373[/bold] wrote: What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-england-24146 473[/p][/quote]He wasnt drunk he was a disqualified driver who knocked her down, and instead of helping drove off which then caused ANOTHER CAR to hit her... Mary80
  • Score: 0

8:50am Sat 16 Aug 14

Datarater says...

More bureaucratic silliness. Just make it 3 lanes in each direction.

Next some fool will want a park and ride to take people between Bournemouth and Southampton (hint: it's called a coach).
More bureaucratic silliness. Just make it 3 lanes in each direction. Next some fool will want a park and ride to take people between Bournemouth and Southampton (hint: it's called a coach). Datarater
  • Score: 2

9:35am Sat 16 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

10:51am Sat 16 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

good-gosh wrote:
wknight wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle.
good-gosh said
For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside

WRONG!!!!

Read Highway Code 259
you must give priority to traffic already on the road

This a common problem that people on the slip roads don't adjust their speed to the traffic on the road, and force their way in causing traffic to brake or move to the next lane forcing the traffic behind to slow down
NOT WRONG. There is confusion here and that’s why I spelled it out. First up, article 259 is for motorways where acceleration approaches are adequate lengths to get well up to speed before merging.
And the requirement to give way at lower speeds is common sense. But that aside, the 'give way' requirements are indicated by the road markings (on motorways and other roads) – double dashed lines means give way and single dash lines are lane separations. Closely dashed single lines, used for acceleration lanes (and elsewhere) also indicate lane separation with added caution. So when the markings on an acceleration lane change from an unbroken line (do not cross) to a dashed line, the lane is becomes effectively another road lane. And as we know, ANYONE in a lane ahead has the right to pull into ANY other lane ahead providing they give due warning.
Right of way when changing lanes, no not really

133
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.

The give way lines are for vehicles joining the duel carriage way. If there is not a safe gap you should wait at the start of the slip road until you can see a safe gap, speed up and merge safely without forcing other cars to brake or swerve.

Re read your Highway Code if I was you. Just because you have you indicator does not mean you can carry out your intended change of lanes.

That is how many accidents happen. Maybe you can't see the vehicle up the other cars arse and he can't slow down safely or change lanes. Wait for a safe gap.

No wonder we have all these accidents.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle.[/p][/quote]good-gosh said For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside WRONG!!!! Read Highway Code 259 you must give priority to traffic already on the road This a common problem that people on the slip roads don't adjust their speed to the traffic on the road, and force their way in causing traffic to brake or move to the next lane forcing the traffic behind to slow down[/p][/quote]NOT WRONG. There is confusion here and that’s why I spelled it out. First up, article 259 is for motorways where acceleration approaches are adequate lengths to get well up to speed before merging. And the requirement to give way at lower speeds is common sense. But that aside, the 'give way' requirements are indicated by the road markings (on motorways and other roads) – double dashed lines means give way and single dash lines are lane separations. Closely dashed single lines, used for acceleration lanes (and elsewhere) also indicate lane separation with added caution. So when the markings on an acceleration lane change from an unbroken line (do not cross) to a dashed line, the lane is becomes effectively another road lane. And as we know, ANYONE in a lane ahead has the right to pull into ANY other lane ahead providing they give due warning.[/p][/quote]Right of way when changing lanes, no not really 133 If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over. The give way lines are for vehicles joining the duel carriage way. If there is not a safe gap you should wait at the start of the slip road until you can see a safe gap, speed up and merge safely without forcing other cars to brake or swerve. Re read your Highway Code if I was you. Just because you have you indicator does not mean you can carry out your intended change of lanes. That is how many accidents happen. Maybe you can't see the vehicle up the other cars arse and he can't slow down safely or change lanes. Wait for a safe gap. No wonder we have all these accidents. southamptonadi
  • Score: 1

10:54am Sat 16 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

vpharm wrote:
woulbe better to put an unmarked cop car on tha route 24 hours a day
I don't agree with tailgating but maybe your driver should pull back into lane one and allow the vehicle behind to overtake.

Which by the way is a part of the Highway Code. You must not impede following drivers
[quote][p][bold]vpharm[/bold] wrote: woulbe better to put an unmarked cop car on tha route 24 hours a day[/p][/quote]I don't agree with tailgating but maybe your driver should pull back into lane one and allow the vehicle behind to overtake. Which by the way is a part of the Highway Code. You must not impede following drivers southamptonadi
  • Score: 1

11:11am Sat 16 Aug 14

forest hump says...

good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool! forest hump
  • Score: 0

11:38am Sat 16 Aug 14

Charlie Bucket says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Trouble is bikers go way too fast to read the signs!
Trouble is you're a moron who insists on taking any excuse to have a pop at bikers. Go kill yourself.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Trouble is bikers go way too fast to read the signs![/p][/quote]Trouble is you're a moron who insists on taking any excuse to have a pop at bikers. Go kill yourself. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

11:59am Sat 16 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

1:12pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

They need to do away with the two access roads east and west bound,from Ringwood town centre which are the cause of a lot of the sudden braking.The only signage then required would then be in the town centre to take traffic out via other junctions,and as someone suggested in a previous post,signs for a 50 mph speed restriction through the whole interchange .
They need to do away with the two access roads east and west bound,from Ringwood town centre which are the cause of a lot of the sudden braking.The only signage then required would then be in the town centre to take traffic out via other junctions,and as someone suggested in a previous post,signs for a 50 mph speed restriction through the whole interchange . Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Sat 16 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
Please don't change the rules for your own views.

You've left out important wording like rule 147 actually says

slow down and hold back IF a road user pulls out into your path at a junction. Allow them to get clear. Do not over-react by driving too close behind to intimidate them

The key word is IF. If someone makes a mistake a pulls in front allow them space. It's advice by the way.

Rule 104 is nothing to do with this the sentence after says to watch for indicators not being cancelled. For example pulling out on a roundabout make sure you wait for the car to start taking its exit and not believing that just because they are indicating they are going to exit.

Anyone one take abstracts from various rules. Make sure you you read the whole wording,

Have you found the rule that gives joining traffic priority yet.

Driving with consideration also means don't pull out in front of other traffic.

I notice you did not reply to the points I made about your previous post, I suppose you can't argue against the actual truth
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]Please don't change the rules for your own views. You've left out important wording like rule 147 actually says slow down and hold back IF a road user pulls out into your path at a junction. Allow them to get clear. Do not over-react by driving too close behind to intimidate them The key word is IF. If someone makes a mistake a pulls in front allow them space. It's advice by the way. Rule 104 is nothing to do with this the sentence after says to watch for indicators not being cancelled. For example pulling out on a roundabout make sure you wait for the car to start taking its exit and not believing that just because they are indicating they are going to exit. Anyone one take abstracts from various rules. Make sure you you read the whole wording, Have you found the rule that gives joining traffic priority yet. Driving with consideration also means don't pull out in front of other traffic. I notice you did not reply to the points I made about your previous post, I suppose you can't argue against the actual truth southamptonadi
  • Score: 2

3:05pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

Or to sum up the fascinating discussion between the above "experts" considerably more drivers' licences have been issued in the UK than there are people whom you'd trust to run a 1 ton STATIC machine in a factory. Everyone agree on that?
Or to sum up the fascinating discussion between the above "experts" considerably more drivers' licences have been issued in the UK than there are people whom you'd trust to run a 1 ton STATIC machine in a factory. Everyone agree on that? Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -1

3:29pm Sat 16 Aug 14

forest hump says...

good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably. forest hump
  • Score: 0

3:39pm Sat 16 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

southamptonadi wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
Please don't change the rules for your own views.

You've left out important wording like rule 147 actually says

slow down and hold back IF a road user pulls out into your path at a junction. Allow them to get clear. Do not over-react by driving too close behind to intimidate them

The key word is IF. If someone makes a mistake a pulls in front allow them space. It's advice by the way.

Rule 104 is nothing to do with this the sentence after says to watch for indicators not being cancelled. For example pulling out on a roundabout make sure you wait for the car to start taking its exit and not believing that just because they are indicating they are going to exit.

Anyone one take abstracts from various rules. Make sure you you read the whole wording,

Have you found the rule that gives joining traffic priority yet.

Driving with consideration also means don't pull out in front of other traffic.

I notice you did not reply to the points I made about your previous post, I suppose you can't argue against the actual truth
No intention to deceive - just distilled the rules to emphasise them in fewer words. And, dropping the 'IF' is insignificant - because a vehicle on a slip road 'IS' going to join the carriageway within the next few seconds – no IF's about it. The vehicle WILL therefore pull out and, as you rightly acknowledge, vehicles on the carriageway are expected to slow down and pull back to allow it. That is my point and I'm glad it is accepted.
[quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]Please don't change the rules for your own views. You've left out important wording like rule 147 actually says slow down and hold back IF a road user pulls out into your path at a junction. Allow them to get clear. Do not over-react by driving too close behind to intimidate them The key word is IF. If someone makes a mistake a pulls in front allow them space. It's advice by the way. Rule 104 is nothing to do with this the sentence after says to watch for indicators not being cancelled. For example pulling out on a roundabout make sure you wait for the car to start taking its exit and not believing that just because they are indicating they are going to exit. Anyone one take abstracts from various rules. Make sure you you read the whole wording, Have you found the rule that gives joining traffic priority yet. Driving with consideration also means don't pull out in front of other traffic. I notice you did not reply to the points I made about your previous post, I suppose you can't argue against the actual truth[/p][/quote]No intention to deceive - just distilled the rules to emphasise them in fewer words. And, dropping the 'IF' is insignificant - because a vehicle on a slip road 'IS' going to join the carriageway within the next few seconds – no IF's about it. The vehicle WILL therefore pull out and, as you rightly acknowledge, vehicles on the carriageway are expected to slow down and pull back to allow it. That is my point and I'm glad it is accepted. good-gosh
  • Score: -1

3:58pm Sat 16 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

good-gosh wrote:
southamptonadi wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
Please don't change the rules for your own views.

You've left out important wording like rule 147 actually says

slow down and hold back IF a road user pulls out into your path at a junction. Allow them to get clear. Do not over-react by driving too close behind to intimidate them

The key word is IF. If someone makes a mistake a pulls in front allow them space. It's advice by the way.

Rule 104 is nothing to do with this the sentence after says to watch for indicators not being cancelled. For example pulling out on a roundabout make sure you wait for the car to start taking its exit and not believing that just because they are indicating they are going to exit.

Anyone one take abstracts from various rules. Make sure you you read the whole wording,

Have you found the rule that gives joining traffic priority yet.

Driving with consideration also means don't pull out in front of other traffic.

I notice you did not reply to the points I made about your previous post, I suppose you can't argue against the actual truth
No intention to deceive - just distilled the rules to emphasise them in fewer words. And, dropping the 'IF' is insignificant - because a vehicle on a slip road 'IS' going to join the carriageway within the next few seconds – no IF's about it. The vehicle WILL therefore pull out and, as you rightly acknowledge, vehicles on the carriageway are expected to slow down and pull back to allow it. That is my point and I'm glad it is accepted.
PS….I do take the point that drivers on slip roads need to be sensible and join the carriageway with care, avoiding forcing carriageway traffic to brake heavily. But, as we all know, some don’t. So there is only one safe solution for carriageway traffic – watch for slip roads, expect silly driving coming off the slip road and, slow down for them anyway. If they are twits, you have saved the day, and if they are perfect drivers, they will think you are too. And, if there is something wrong with that procedure, then I will eat my hat.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]Please don't change the rules for your own views. You've left out important wording like rule 147 actually says slow down and hold back IF a road user pulls out into your path at a junction. Allow them to get clear. Do not over-react by driving too close behind to intimidate them The key word is IF. If someone makes a mistake a pulls in front allow them space. It's advice by the way. Rule 104 is nothing to do with this the sentence after says to watch for indicators not being cancelled. For example pulling out on a roundabout make sure you wait for the car to start taking its exit and not believing that just because they are indicating they are going to exit. Anyone one take abstracts from various rules. Make sure you you read the whole wording, Have you found the rule that gives joining traffic priority yet. Driving with consideration also means don't pull out in front of other traffic. I notice you did not reply to the points I made about your previous post, I suppose you can't argue against the actual truth[/p][/quote]No intention to deceive - just distilled the rules to emphasise them in fewer words. And, dropping the 'IF' is insignificant - because a vehicle on a slip road 'IS' going to join the carriageway within the next few seconds – no IF's about it. The vehicle WILL therefore pull out and, as you rightly acknowledge, vehicles on the carriageway are expected to slow down and pull back to allow it. That is my point and I'm glad it is accepted.[/p][/quote]PS….I do take the point that drivers on slip roads need to be sensible and join the carriageway with care, avoiding forcing carriageway traffic to brake heavily. But, as we all know, some don’t. So there is only one safe solution for carriageway traffic – watch for slip roads, expect silly driving coming off the slip road and, slow down for them anyway. If they are twits, you have saved the day, and if they are perfect drivers, they will think you are too. And, if there is something wrong with that procedure, then I will eat my hat. good-gosh
  • Score: -1

4:39pm Sat 16 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.
In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.[/p][/quote]In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX good-gosh
  • Score: -4

4:49pm Sat 16 Aug 14

forest hump says...

good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.
In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.[/p][/quote]In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool! forest hump
  • Score: 1

5:33pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Niel says...

Hotsy373 wrote:
What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n

ews/uk-england-24146

473
The road and lack of a safe low speed local route were factors though. 20 years ago when I was a county CBT instructor/examiner Ringwood was one of the area's I covered, the main through route was the ONLY road route then as it is now, but traffic density, and driver distraction have increased.
The M27 should run from Dover to Exeter, with LOCAL roads for LOCAL traffic separate from it, but it won't happen, central gov't spends huge amounts on the road networks up north, to further commerce and please voters, it won't down south as they see no benefit. No doubt the 'honourable members' who own large tracts of land in the south are quite happy not to have to 'suffer' compulsory purchase or additional road noise forging a motorway on the sensible line through would cause... The A31 past Charborough Park hasn't changed in 50 years, but then Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-
Drax, former journalist, now mp for Dorset South probably prefers it that way?
[quote][p][bold]Hotsy373[/bold] wrote: What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-england-24146 473[/p][/quote]The road and lack of a safe low speed local route were factors though. 20 years ago when I was a county CBT instructor/examiner Ringwood was one of the area's I covered, the main through route was the ONLY road route then as it is now, but traffic density, and driver distraction have increased. The M27 should run from Dover to Exeter, with LOCAL roads for LOCAL traffic separate from it, but it won't happen, central gov't spends huge amounts on the road networks up north, to further commerce and please voters, it won't down south as they see no benefit. No doubt the 'honourable members' who own large tracts of land in the south are quite happy not to have to 'suffer' compulsory purchase or additional road noise forging a motorway on the sensible line through would cause... The A31 past Charborough Park hasn't changed in 50 years, but then Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle- Drax, former journalist, now mp for Dorset South probably prefers it that way? Niel
  • Score: 1

5:40pm Sat 16 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.
In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Nothing stupid about it at all – it's sound advice that ensures safety for all. And anyone who finds safety advice unwelcome should think about handing in their licence. Anyway, nice of you to sign yourself off as FOOL – a bit hash on yourself I thought , but still…..
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.[/p][/quote]In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Nothing stupid about it at all – it's sound advice that ensures safety for all. And anyone who finds safety advice unwelcome should think about handing in their licence. Anyway, nice of you to sign yourself off as FOOL – a bit hash on yourself I thought , but still….. good-gosh
  • Score: -2

6:52pm Sat 16 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Or to sum up the fascinating discussion between the above "experts" considerably more drivers' licences have been issued in the UK than there are people whom you'd trust to run a 1 ton STATIC machine in a factory. Everyone agree on that?
Fully agree M'lord. and all the more reason to approach every other motorist as a hazard and assume they could do something silly at any moment - as they frequently do.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: Or to sum up the fascinating discussion between the above "experts" considerably more drivers' licences have been issued in the UK than there are people whom you'd trust to run a 1 ton STATIC machine in a factory. Everyone agree on that?[/p][/quote]Fully agree M'lord. and all the more reason to approach every other motorist as a hazard and assume they could do something silly at any moment - as they frequently do. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

6:58pm Sat 16 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

southamptonadi wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
wknight wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle.
good-gosh said
For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside

WRONG!!!!

Read Highway Code 259
you must give priority to traffic already on the road

This a common problem that people on the slip roads don't adjust their speed to the traffic on the road, and force their way in causing traffic to brake or move to the next lane forcing the traffic behind to slow down
NOT WRONG. There is confusion here and that’s why I spelled it out. First up, article 259 is for motorways where acceleration approaches are adequate lengths to get well up to speed before merging.
And the requirement to give way at lower speeds is common sense. But that aside, the 'give way' requirements are indicated by the road markings (on motorways and other roads) – double dashed lines means give way and single dash lines are lane separations. Closely dashed single lines, used for acceleration lanes (and elsewhere) also indicate lane separation with added caution. So when the markings on an acceleration lane change from an unbroken line (do not cross) to a dashed line, the lane is becomes effectively another road lane. And as we know, ANYONE in a lane ahead has the right to pull into ANY other lane ahead providing they give due warning.
Right of way when changing lanes, no not really

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If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.

The give way lines are for vehicles joining the duel carriage way. If there is not a safe gap you should wait at the start of the slip road until you can see a safe gap, speed up and merge safely without forcing other cars to brake or swerve.

Re read your Highway Code if I was you. Just because you have you indicator does not mean you can carry out your intended change of lanes.

That is how many accidents happen. Maybe you can't see the vehicle up the other cars arse and he can't slow down safely or change lanes. Wait for a safe gap.

No wonder we have all these accidents.
There are no give way lines on a slip road, only a short dash lane separation line.
[quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wknight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Signage WILL help - by giving early advice about the road arrangement ahead and by recommending lanes to use (and not use). But lane discipline RULES also need reinforcing. For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside. So signage advising of a traffic merger ahead should also include the words 'Slow and give way to traffic merging ahead' That may reduce the incidences of vehicles barrelling on dangerously past a merge vehicle.[/p][/quote]good-gosh said For example, particularly at Ringwood, a vehicle on an acceleration lane has right of way onto the carriageway over vehicles already on the carriageway - obviously, that applies to traffic back up the carriageway and not immediately alongside WRONG!!!! Read Highway Code 259 you must give priority to traffic already on the road This a common problem that people on the slip roads don't adjust their speed to the traffic on the road, and force their way in causing traffic to brake or move to the next lane forcing the traffic behind to slow down[/p][/quote]NOT WRONG. There is confusion here and that’s why I spelled it out. First up, article 259 is for motorways where acceleration approaches are adequate lengths to get well up to speed before merging. And the requirement to give way at lower speeds is common sense. But that aside, the 'give way' requirements are indicated by the road markings (on motorways and other roads) – double dashed lines means give way and single dash lines are lane separations. Closely dashed single lines, used for acceleration lanes (and elsewhere) also indicate lane separation with added caution. So when the markings on an acceleration lane change from an unbroken line (do not cross) to a dashed line, the lane is becomes effectively another road lane. And as we know, ANYONE in a lane ahead has the right to pull into ANY other lane ahead providing they give due warning.[/p][/quote]Right of way when changing lanes, no not really 133 If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over. The give way lines are for vehicles joining the duel carriage way. If there is not a safe gap you should wait at the start of the slip road until you can see a safe gap, speed up and merge safely without forcing other cars to brake or swerve. Re read your Highway Code if I was you. Just because you have you indicator does not mean you can carry out your intended change of lanes. That is how many accidents happen. Maybe you can't see the vehicle up the other cars arse and he can't slow down safely or change lanes. Wait for a safe gap. No wonder we have all these accidents.[/p][/quote]There are no give way lines on a slip road, only a short dash lane separation line. good-gosh
  • Score: -1

7:13pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

befriendly wrote:
No amount of signs will protect against Idiotic drivers. It's not a pretty sight, but a good reminder by having black painted people silhouettes with number painted on every so often. I've seen it in France and people were driving carefully.
The current system of "merging", is simply not 100% safe.
In an ideal world,we would have slip roads of at least a quarter of a mile in length,parallel and not tapering.The current system simply forces the merging traffic out through eventually running out of road,which then creates a problem if traffic on the main route are unable for whatever reason,to pull over to allow the merging traffic to filter
But drivers should remember,that on motorways,if you cannot merge,and you do not want to stop,you can always use the hard shoulder as an emergency extension,to the slip road,so there is no need to panic if you find yourself running out of road.
All the time that control of vehicles remains in human hands however,expect accidents to happen.
[quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: No amount of signs will protect against Idiotic drivers. It's not a pretty sight, but a good reminder by having black painted people silhouettes with number painted on every so often. I've seen it in France and people were driving carefully.[/p][/quote]The current system of "merging", is simply not 100% safe. In an ideal world,we would have slip roads of at least a quarter of a mile in length,parallel and not tapering.The current system simply forces the merging traffic out through eventually running out of road,which then creates a problem if traffic on the main route are unable for whatever reason,to pull over to allow the merging traffic to filter But drivers should remember,that on motorways,if you cannot merge,and you do not want to stop,you can always use the hard shoulder as an emergency extension,to the slip road,so there is no need to panic if you find yourself running out of road. All the time that control of vehicles remains in human hands however,expect accidents to happen. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

10:22pm Sat 16 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Niel wrote:
Hotsy373 wrote:
What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n


ews/uk-england-24146


473
The road and lack of a safe low speed local route were factors though. 20 years ago when I was a county CBT instructor/examiner Ringwood was one of the area's I covered, the main through route was the ONLY road route then as it is now, but traffic density, and driver distraction have increased.
The M27 should run from Dover to Exeter, with LOCAL roads for LOCAL traffic separate from it, but it won't happen, central gov't spends huge amounts on the road networks up north, to further commerce and please voters, it won't down south as they see no benefit. No doubt the 'honourable members' who own large tracts of land in the south are quite happy not to have to 'suffer' compulsory purchase or additional road noise forging a motorway on the sensible line through would cause... The A31 past Charborough Park hasn't changed in 50 years, but then Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-

Drax, former journalist, now mp for Dorset South probably prefers it that way?
Good post
[quote][p][bold]Niel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotsy373[/bold] wrote: What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-england-24146 473[/p][/quote]The road and lack of a safe low speed local route were factors though. 20 years ago when I was a county CBT instructor/examiner Ringwood was one of the area's I covered, the main through route was the ONLY road route then as it is now, but traffic density, and driver distraction have increased. The M27 should run from Dover to Exeter, with LOCAL roads for LOCAL traffic separate from it, but it won't happen, central gov't spends huge amounts on the road networks up north, to further commerce and please voters, it won't down south as they see no benefit. No doubt the 'honourable members' who own large tracts of land in the south are quite happy not to have to 'suffer' compulsory purchase or additional road noise forging a motorway on the sensible line through would cause... The A31 past Charborough Park hasn't changed in 50 years, but then Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle- Drax, former journalist, now mp for Dorset South probably prefers it that way?[/p][/quote]Good post forest hump
  • Score: 0

10:28pm Sat 16 Aug 14

forest hump says...

good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.
In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Nothing stupid about it at all – it's sound advice that ensures safety for all. And anyone who finds safety advice unwelcome should think about handing in their licence. Anyway, nice of you to sign yourself off as FOOL – a bit hash on yourself I thought , but still…..
I'll bet my shirt you vote Lib-Dem and believe in AGW. But being so stubborn, will never admit.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.[/p][/quote]In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Nothing stupid about it at all – it's sound advice that ensures safety for all. And anyone who finds safety advice unwelcome should think about handing in their licence. Anyway, nice of you to sign yourself off as FOOL – a bit hash on yourself I thought , but still…..[/p][/quote]I'll bet my shirt you vote Lib-Dem and believe in AGW. But being so stubborn, will never admit. forest hump
  • Score: 1

7:18am Sun 17 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.
In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Nothing stupid about it at all – it's sound advice that ensures safety for all. And anyone who finds safety advice unwelcome should think about handing in their licence. Anyway, nice of you to sign yourself off as FOOL – a bit hash on yourself I thought , but still…..
I'll bet my shirt you vote Lib-Dem and believe in AGW. But being so stubborn, will never admit.
You have just lost your shirt.
Not surprising for someone who believes that cars up ahead on a road are supposed to give way to cars back behind them. Ha.Ha.Ha.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.[/p][/quote]In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Nothing stupid about it at all – it's sound advice that ensures safety for all. And anyone who finds safety advice unwelcome should think about handing in their licence. Anyway, nice of you to sign yourself off as FOOL – a bit hash on yourself I thought , but still…..[/p][/quote]I'll bet my shirt you vote Lib-Dem and believe in AGW. But being so stubborn, will never admit.[/p][/quote]You have just lost your shirt. Not surprising for someone who believes that cars up ahead on a road are supposed to give way to cars back behind them. Ha.Ha.Ha. good-gosh
  • Score: -2

8:05am Sun 17 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

Nevertheless, your idea that that cars ahead are supposed to give way to cars behind could work if everyone drove in reverse, and used forward gears to go backwards. HaHaHa

PS were you, by any chance, born upside down?
Nevertheless, your idea that that cars ahead are supposed to give way to cars behind could work if everyone drove in reverse, and used forward gears to go backwards. HaHaHa PS were you, by any chance, born upside down? good-gosh
  • Score: -2

9:03am Sun 17 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

Niel wrote:
Hotsy373 wrote:
What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n


ews/uk-england-24146


473
The road and lack of a safe low speed local route were factors though. 20 years ago when I was a county CBT instructor/examiner Ringwood was one of the area's I covered, the main through route was the ONLY road route then as it is now, but traffic density, and driver distraction have increased.
The M27 should run from Dover to Exeter, with LOCAL roads for LOCAL traffic separate from it, but it won't happen, central gov't spends huge amounts on the road networks up north, to further commerce and please voters, it won't down south as they see no benefit. No doubt the 'honourable members' who own large tracts of land in the south are quite happy not to have to 'suffer' compulsory purchase or additional road noise forging a motorway on the sensible line through would cause... The A31 past Charborough Park hasn't changed in 50 years, but then Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-

Drax, former journalist, now mp for Dorset South probably prefers it that way?
Oh joy, the class warrior surfaces. How on earth did the wicked capiterlists make such a big mistake in driving the M4 through the Benyon land? Could the lack of building of new motorways have a bit to do with paying tax credits, child tax credits, housing benefit, council tax benefit, DLA (for the able bodied) ESA, JSA, out of Road Fund Licence Tax, fuel duty, VAT, insurance tax which could far better have been spent on infrastructure than aggressive welfarism , to the point where, as your Liam Byrne said, there was nowt left?
[quote][p][bold]Niel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotsy373[/bold] wrote: What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-england-24146 473[/p][/quote]The road and lack of a safe low speed local route were factors though. 20 years ago when I was a county CBT instructor/examiner Ringwood was one of the area's I covered, the main through route was the ONLY road route then as it is now, but traffic density, and driver distraction have increased. The M27 should run from Dover to Exeter, with LOCAL roads for LOCAL traffic separate from it, but it won't happen, central gov't spends huge amounts on the road networks up north, to further commerce and please voters, it won't down south as they see no benefit. No doubt the 'honourable members' who own large tracts of land in the south are quite happy not to have to 'suffer' compulsory purchase or additional road noise forging a motorway on the sensible line through would cause... The A31 past Charborough Park hasn't changed in 50 years, but then Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle- Drax, former journalist, now mp for Dorset South probably prefers it that way?[/p][/quote]Oh joy, the class warrior surfaces. How on earth did the wicked capiterlists make such a big mistake in driving the M4 through the Benyon land? Could the lack of building of new motorways have a bit to do with paying tax credits, child tax credits, housing benefit, council tax benefit, DLA (for the able bodied) ESA, JSA, out of Road Fund Licence Tax, fuel duty, VAT, insurance tax which could far better have been spent on infrastructure than aggressive welfarism , to the point where, as your Liam Byrne said, there was nowt left? Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -1

10:42am Sun 17 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

forest hump wrote:
Niel wrote:
Hotsy373 wrote:
What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n



ews/uk-england-24146



473
The road and lack of a safe low speed local route were factors though. 20 years ago when I was a county CBT instructor/examiner Ringwood was one of the area's I covered, the main through route was the ONLY road route then as it is now, but traffic density, and driver distraction have increased.
The M27 should run from Dover to Exeter, with LOCAL roads for LOCAL traffic separate from it, but it won't happen, central gov't spends huge amounts on the road networks up north, to further commerce and please voters, it won't down south as they see no benefit. No doubt the 'honourable members' who own large tracts of land in the south are quite happy not to have to 'suffer' compulsory purchase or additional road noise forging a motorway on the sensible line through would cause... The A31 past Charborough Park hasn't changed in 50 years, but then Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-


Drax, former journalist, now mp for Dorset South probably prefers it that way?
Good post
Who has ever wanted to travel from Dover to Exeter, apart from Francis Drake?
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Niel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotsy373[/bold] wrote: What poor journalism. Jade was killed by a drunk driver. It had nothing to do with the road itself. How could such writing be approved? See http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-england-24146 473[/p][/quote]The road and lack of a safe low speed local route were factors though. 20 years ago when I was a county CBT instructor/examiner Ringwood was one of the area's I covered, the main through route was the ONLY road route then as it is now, but traffic density, and driver distraction have increased. The M27 should run from Dover to Exeter, with LOCAL roads for LOCAL traffic separate from it, but it won't happen, central gov't spends huge amounts on the road networks up north, to further commerce and please voters, it won't down south as they see no benefit. No doubt the 'honourable members' who own large tracts of land in the south are quite happy not to have to 'suffer' compulsory purchase or additional road noise forging a motorway on the sensible line through would cause... The A31 past Charborough Park hasn't changed in 50 years, but then Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle- Drax, former journalist, now mp for Dorset South probably prefers it that way?[/p][/quote]Good post[/p][/quote]Who has ever wanted to travel from Dover to Exeter, apart from Francis Drake? good-gosh
  • Score: -1

11:17am Sun 17 Aug 14

forest hump says...

good-gosh wrote:
Nevertheless, your idea that that cars ahead are supposed to give way to cars behind could work if everyone drove in reverse, and used forward gears to go backwards. HaHaHa

PS were you, by any chance, born upside down?
What the f++k are you talking about. Jesus Christ I'll be glad when the school holidays are over. Swigging from mother's gin bottle probably.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Nevertheless, your idea that that cars ahead are supposed to give way to cars behind could work if everyone drove in reverse, and used forward gears to go backwards. HaHaHa PS were you, by any chance, born upside down?[/p][/quote]What the f++k are you talking about. Jesus Christ I'll be glad when the school holidays are over. Swigging from mother's gin bottle probably. forest hump
  • Score: 0

11:52am Sun 17 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Nevertheless, your idea that that cars ahead are supposed to give way to cars behind could work if everyone drove in reverse, and used forward gears to go backwards. HaHaHa

PS were you, by any chance, born upside down?
What the f++k are you talking about. Jesus Christ I'll be glad when the school holidays are over. Swigging from mother's gin bottle probably.
Since you ask, I was ridiculing the ridiculous – pretty obvious really
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Nevertheless, your idea that that cars ahead are supposed to give way to cars behind could work if everyone drove in reverse, and used forward gears to go backwards. HaHaHa PS were you, by any chance, born upside down?[/p][/quote]What the f++k are you talking about. Jesus Christ I'll be glad when the school holidays are over. Swigging from mother's gin bottle probably.[/p][/quote]Since you ask, I was ridiculing the ridiculous – pretty obvious really good-gosh
  • Score: 0

4:30pm Mon 18 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.
In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX
I never called anyone a pillock, I think your talking about someone else. Maybe a paragraph to separate your two different replies. I have never resorted to personal insults. I enjoy a nice debate as sometimes you learn things you did not know. I don't disagree with most of what you say.

By the way every single word in the high code is very important. They spend millions on consultations, lawyers and users making sure the wording is correct.



The whole sentences are very important especially when it mentions should. Etc as that's advice and after a few high profile cases.( and I feel they were judged wrongly) you can ignore advice. Where they say you must etc that is actual road traffic law. There is no law saying you must cede priority to anyone on a slip road. It's all advice incase someone thinks that they do.

So yes IF is very important but you are correct they will join the carriageway wether your there or not

But, most drivers have resolved all the issues above in one clean swoop, by staying in lane two.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.[/p][/quote]In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX[/p][/quote]I never called anyone a pillock, I think your talking about someone else. Maybe a paragraph to separate your two different replies. I have never resorted to personal insults. I enjoy a nice debate as sometimes you learn things you did not know. I don't disagree with most of what you say. By the way every single word in the high code is very important. They spend millions on consultations, lawyers and users making sure the wording is correct. The whole sentences are very important especially when it mentions should. Etc as that's advice and after a few high profile cases.( and I feel they were judged wrongly) you can ignore advice. Where they say you must etc that is actual road traffic law. There is no law saying you must cede priority to anyone on a slip road. It's all advice incase someone thinks that they do. So yes IF is very important but you are correct they will join the carriageway wether your there or not But, most drivers have resolved all the issues above in one clean swoop, by staying in lane two. southamptonadi
  • Score: 0

4:30pm Mon 18 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks.
Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.
The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.
Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool!
Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like…

Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions.
Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions.
Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe.
Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others.

But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.
It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.
In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX
I never called anyone a pillock, I think your talking about someone else. Maybe a paragraph to separate your two different replies. I have never resorted to personal insults. I enjoy a nice debate as sometimes you learn things you did not know. I don't disagree with most of what you say.

By the way every single word in the high code is very important. They spend millions on consultations, lawyers and users making sure the wording is correct.



The whole sentences are very important especially when it mentions should. Etc as that's advice and after a few high profile cases.( and I feel they were judged wrongly) you can ignore advice. Where they say you must etc that is actual road traffic law. There is no law saying you must cede priority to anyone on a slip road. It's all advice incase someone thinks that they do.

So yes IF is very important but you are correct they will join the carriageway wether your there or not

But, most drivers have resolved all the issues above in one clean swoop, by staying in lane two.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheer volume of traffic combined with stupidity by all types of vehicles result in chaos. This road should be upgraded to motorway status and a third lane added. Signs will make no difference. This is one of the busiest arterial routes to the West Country and will only get busier. The Highways Agency are merely papering over cracks. Trouble is...all of the Green brigade will be bellowing "save the dung beetle" and other inane reasons. Drivers will never, ever be better...the majority are just plain greedy and stupid. Extend the M-27 is the only solution.[/p][/quote]The 22nd century solution will be continual automatic assessment of driver behaviour and attitude. Do anything daft on the road or write anything stupid on a computer and it will be picked up by the central IQ assessment computers which will emit a 'Dimwit' radio signal to automatically disable your car.[/p][/quote]Sort of stupid reply I would expect from someone who believes merging traffic has the priority. Fool![/p][/quote]Oh yeah… no surprise the Dimbos round here cause crashes 10 times a day, when they just ignore rules like… Rule 146 - be prepared for road users emerging at junctions. Rule 147 - slow down and hold back for users pulling into your path at junctions. Rule 104 - watch for signals by others and proceed only when safe. Rule 144 - drive with consideration to others. But let's not point these thing out – smooth, orderly and easy driving is far too much for them to grasp.[/p][/quote]It does NOT give them priority. Pillocks who brake and allow speeding jerks to merge are a menace. Just like yourself presumably.[/p][/quote]In response to your appeal for a reply to this particular post, I refer you to my penultimate note above and add the following: Everyone on the road is responsible for safety - not only for themselves but for all others around them on the road. To suggest that drivers who are courteous, wary and tolerant of novices are 'pillocks' is approaching grounds for a licence suspension. In addition, the suggestion that an experienced driver would brake heavily on a fast flowing road is ridiculous – good drivers notice slip roads 1/2 mile ahead and will simply ease off the throttle - not brake at the last second. Got it? Good. XX[/p][/quote]I never called anyone a pillock, I think your talking about someone else. Maybe a paragraph to separate your two different replies. I have never resorted to personal insults. I enjoy a nice debate as sometimes you learn things you did not know. I don't disagree with most of what you say. By the way every single word in the high code is very important. They spend millions on consultations, lawyers and users making sure the wording is correct. The whole sentences are very important especially when it mentions should. Etc as that's advice and after a few high profile cases.( and I feel they were judged wrongly) you can ignore advice. Where they say you must etc that is actual road traffic law. There is no law saying you must cede priority to anyone on a slip road. It's all advice incase someone thinks that they do. So yes IF is very important but you are correct they will join the carriageway wether your there or not But, most drivers have resolved all the issues above in one clean swoop, by staying in lane two. southamptonadi
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