Rail fares to go up by as much as 5.5%

Rail fares to go up by as much as 5.5%

Rail fares to go up by as much as 5.5%

First published in News

Rail passengers will face average season ticket price rises of 3.5% in January following the announcement of the July inflation figures.

The new-year rises are based on the previous July's rate of Retail Price Index (RPI) inflation plus 1%.

With the Office for National Statistics announcing today that the RPI rate for July 2014 was 2.5%, commuters in England will have to fork out an average 3.5% extra in January unless the Government, decides, as it did for January 2014, to keep the rate to RPI plus 0%.

Train companies also have a "flex" rule which allows them to increase some regulated fares by 2% above the average as long the overall average remains at the RPI plus 1% level. This means some fares could go up by 5.5% in the new year.

The rise was condemned by Labour, with shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh saying: "David Cameron has failed to stand up for working people struggling with the cost-of-living crisis."

The TSSA transport union said Conservative ministers had to stop the annual "persecution of millions of rail passengers with inflation-busting increases".

And the Campaign for Better Transport pointed out that fares have gone up by more than 24% since 2010, while wages had only risen by 6.9% over the same period.

Rail Minister Claire Perry acknowledged that passengers had had to contend with "inflation-busting fare rises almost every year over the last decade" but insisted the Government was committed to "fair fares".

She said: "What we have got to do is make sure rail passengers, who could be forgiven for thinking 'What on earth am I getting for these rises I've seen over the last decade?', start to realise that they are paying fair fares for comfortable commuting."

Ms Creagh said: "David Cameron has allowed train companies to sting passengers with inflation-busting fare rises of over 20% since 2010, costing them hundreds of pounds.

"We can't go on like this. The choice facing passengers is between fares rising another 24% by 2018 under the Tories, or a Labour government which will cap annual fares on every route and enact the biggest railway reforms since the Tories' botched privatisation, delivering a better deal for passengers and taxpayers."

TSSA general secretary Manuel Cortes said "It is an absurd political myth that fares have to rise above inflation every year to pay for new lines. It is high time to stop this annual persecution of rail passengers."

David Sidebottom, director of rail customer watchdog Passenger Focus, said: "Many passengers will be concerned about today's news about the fare rise.

"This level of fare increase puts more pressure on the railways to ensure passengers get an excellent service for the money they are paying."

"We hope the Government will step in again as it did last year, to ensure that train fares in England do not rise above the rate of inflation announced today."

TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said: "It's grim news for commuters that they face yet another year of fare hikes above inflation, while their wages keep dragging behind inflation. The cost to passengers of the failed privatisation of our railways keeps growing year on year."

Train drivers' union Aslef said rail privatisation had "left us with a fragmented system which is all about making a private profit at public expense", while the RMT transport union described the January 2105 rise as "a kick in the teeth" for passengers.

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10:33am Tue 19 Aug 14

MaxxieO says...

I've been priced off the trains when it comes to going to London. Weekend off-peak return from Southampton Central = £36.60.
SWT don't appear to offer the cheap 'advance' tickets that other train operators do. That would make travel more affordable outside commuting hours.
When you can get the coach to London for less than a tenner then it makes the trains seem overpriced, although I much prefer the shorter journey duration via the train.
I've been priced off the trains when it comes to going to London. Weekend off-peak return from Southampton Central = £36.60. SWT don't appear to offer the cheap 'advance' tickets that other train operators do. That would make travel more affordable outside commuting hours. When you can get the coach to London for less than a tenner then it makes the trains seem overpriced, although I much prefer the shorter journey duration via the train. MaxxieO
  • Score: 6

10:33am Tue 19 Aug 14

localnews says...

privatisation never made this cheaper for the paying public,just made the rich few richer
privatisation never made this cheaper for the paying public,just made the rich few richer localnews
  • Score: 12

10:43am Tue 19 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Public transport in this country is an absolute joke. Why can we not manage lower cost travel? Belgium, France, Holland et. al. seem to cope?
Public transport in this country is an absolute joke. Why can we not manage lower cost travel? Belgium, France, Holland et. al. seem to cope? forest hump
  • Score: 4

11:40am Tue 19 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

MaxxieO wrote:
I've been priced off the trains when it comes to going to London. Weekend off-peak return from Southampton Central = £36.60.
SWT don't appear to offer the cheap 'advance' tickets that other train operators do. That would make travel more affordable outside commuting hours.
When you can get the coach to London for less than a tenner then it makes the trains seem overpriced, although I much prefer the shorter journey duration via the train.
You ever tried using the megabus website to get train tickets on? LImited journey times but in advance you get £1 seats.
[quote][p][bold]MaxxieO[/bold] wrote: I've been priced off the trains when it comes to going to London. Weekend off-peak return from Southampton Central = £36.60. SWT don't appear to offer the cheap 'advance' tickets that other train operators do. That would make travel more affordable outside commuting hours. When you can get the coach to London for less than a tenner then it makes the trains seem overpriced, although I much prefer the shorter journey duration via the train.[/p][/quote]You ever tried using the megabus website to get train tickets on? LImited journey times but in advance you get £1 seats. camerajuan
  • Score: 3

12:09pm Tue 19 Aug 14

bitterne boy says...

Buy a Network railcard and get a third off the price of Southampton to London tickets,inc.the one day travelcard,off peak.Anyone can purchase a Network railcard,which covers a wide area!
Buy a Network railcard and get a third off the price of Southampton to London tickets,inc.the one day travelcard,off peak.Anyone can purchase a Network railcard,which covers a wide area! bitterne boy
  • Score: 2

12:23pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others.

Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to

While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn.

As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people.
When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others. Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn. As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -1

12:30pm Tue 19 Aug 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
Public transport in this country is an absolute joke. Why can we not manage lower cost travel? Belgium, France, Holland et. al. seem to cope?
Thats because there is a state public transport also which keeps the private public transport in check and stops them from over changing.

Bit like what use to happen before the 1980's cutt backs and sell off, example Southampton City Busses controlled the bus fares with in the City Limits it stop the private companys from over charging when entering the city limits
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Public transport in this country is an absolute joke. Why can we not manage lower cost travel? Belgium, France, Holland et. al. seem to cope?[/p][/quote]Thats because there is a state public transport also which keeps the private public transport in check and stops them from over changing. Bit like what use to happen before the 1980's cutt backs and sell off, example Southampton City Busses controlled the bus fares with in the City Limits it stop the private companys from over charging when entering the city limits southy
  • Score: -4

12:38pm Tue 19 Aug 14

southy says...

You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits.
You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits. southy
  • Score: -9

3:18pm Tue 19 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

I get stopped at Totton level crossing twice a day and watch the trains pass virtually empty. Surely, if they cut the fares by half, they would get 4 times more passengers and end up earning double. Run a pilot trial and see the result.
I get stopped at Totton level crossing twice a day and watch the trains pass virtually empty. Surely, if they cut the fares by half, they would get 4 times more passengers and end up earning double. Run a pilot trial and see the result. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

7:33pm Tue 19 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

southy wrote:
You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits.
Typical joyous response from you Southy. Ever think that this could affect other people outside of the London commuters??

My girlfriend works in Basingstoke for a company that doesn't offer a travel benefit and already pays almost £300 a month to travel. This will further increase her outgoings. Should we move our lives closer to Basingstoke?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits.[/p][/quote]Typical joyous response from you Southy. Ever think that this could affect other people outside of the London commuters?? My girlfriend works in Basingstoke for a company that doesn't offer a travel benefit and already pays almost £300 a month to travel. This will further increase her outgoings. Should we move our lives closer to Basingstoke? camerajuan
  • Score: 3

9:40pm Tue 19 Aug 14

derek james says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others.

Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to

While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn.

As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people.
whilst no fan of the tories i think you'll find it was eu directive 91/411 that forced the government to privatise the railways, it's been downhill ever since
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others. Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn. As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people.[/p][/quote]whilst no fan of the tories i think you'll find it was eu directive 91/411 that forced the government to privatise the railways, it's been downhill ever since derek james
  • Score: 0

12:56am Wed 20 Aug 14

southy says...

camerajuan wrote:
southy wrote:
You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits.
Typical joyous response from you Southy. Ever think that this could affect other people outside of the London commuters??

My girlfriend works in Basingstoke for a company that doesn't offer a travel benefit and already pays almost £300 a month to travel. This will further increase her outgoings. Should we move our lives closer to Basingstoke?
People like your self let it happen and your not willing to try and change things for the better, Moving to Basingstoke would be a good idea my nephew and his family moved to Basingstoke when the company he was working for pull out of Southampton (P&O).
There was a time when companys paid traveling expenses and/or lodging even some layed on the Transport for its workers, But where people don't join Unions and not willing to fight for what was gained in the pass have lost it all now and they just moan about price increases, many have bought it apond them selfs and have no right to complain.
You want to do some thing about it join a Union
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits.[/p][/quote]Typical joyous response from you Southy. Ever think that this could affect other people outside of the London commuters?? My girlfriend works in Basingstoke for a company that doesn't offer a travel benefit and already pays almost £300 a month to travel. This will further increase her outgoings. Should we move our lives closer to Basingstoke?[/p][/quote]People like your self let it happen and your not willing to try and change things for the better, Moving to Basingstoke would be a good idea my nephew and his family moved to Basingstoke when the company he was working for pull out of Southampton (P&O). There was a time when companys paid traveling expenses and/or lodging even some layed on the Transport for its workers, But where people don't join Unions and not willing to fight for what was gained in the pass have lost it all now and they just moan about price increases, many have bought it apond them selfs and have no right to complain. You want to do some thing about it join a Union southy
  • Score: -4

10:17am Wed 20 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

southy wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
southy wrote:
You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits.
Typical joyous response from you Southy. Ever think that this could affect other people outside of the London commuters??

My girlfriend works in Basingstoke for a company that doesn't offer a travel benefit and already pays almost £300 a month to travel. This will further increase her outgoings. Should we move our lives closer to Basingstoke?
People like your self let it happen and your not willing to try and change things for the better, Moving to Basingstoke would be a good idea my nephew and his family moved to Basingstoke when the company he was working for pull out of Southampton (P&O).
There was a time when companys paid traveling expenses and/or lodging even some layed on the Transport for its workers, But where people don't join Unions and not willing to fight for what was gained in the pass have lost it all now and they just moan about price increases, many have bought it apond them selfs and have no right to complain.
You want to do some thing about it join a Union
Yeah I "let" the rail prices go up, are you drunk?

Our lives are in Southampton. Closest friends, my work, both of our sports teams and training grounds, nightlife and restaurants - all in Southampton. Moving closer to or actually to Basingstoke would cause even more expense as we'd be constantly travelling back and forward to Southampton.

Both in Unions thanks, good to see you've done your research though I really didn't expect anything less from you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits.[/p][/quote]Typical joyous response from you Southy. Ever think that this could affect other people outside of the London commuters?? My girlfriend works in Basingstoke for a company that doesn't offer a travel benefit and already pays almost £300 a month to travel. This will further increase her outgoings. Should we move our lives closer to Basingstoke?[/p][/quote]People like your self let it happen and your not willing to try and change things for the better, Moving to Basingstoke would be a good idea my nephew and his family moved to Basingstoke when the company he was working for pull out of Southampton (P&O). There was a time when companys paid traveling expenses and/or lodging even some layed on the Transport for its workers, But where people don't join Unions and not willing to fight for what was gained in the pass have lost it all now and they just moan about price increases, many have bought it apond them selfs and have no right to complain. You want to do some thing about it join a Union[/p][/quote]Yeah I "let" the rail prices go up, are you drunk? Our lives are in Southampton. Closest friends, my work, both of our sports teams and training grounds, nightlife and restaurants - all in Southampton. Moving closer to or actually to Basingstoke would cause even more expense as we'd be constantly travelling back and forward to Southampton. Both in Unions thanks, good to see you've done your research though I really didn't expect anything less from you. camerajuan
  • Score: 2

10:39am Wed 20 Aug 14

forest hump says...

good-gosh wrote:
I get stopped at Totton level crossing twice a day and watch the trains pass virtually empty. Surely, if they cut the fares by half, they would get 4 times more passengers and end up earning double. Run a pilot trial and see the result.
If you are flogging beef burgers at 3 quid each and at the end of the day chucking away half: any sane person would drop the price and all is well. No waste and probably more earnings. Unfortunately the rail operators do not see this. Drop the prices and they will come.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I get stopped at Totton level crossing twice a day and watch the trains pass virtually empty. Surely, if they cut the fares by half, they would get 4 times more passengers and end up earning double. Run a pilot trial and see the result.[/p][/quote]If you are flogging beef burgers at 3 quid each and at the end of the day chucking away half: any sane person would drop the price and all is well. No waste and probably more earnings. Unfortunately the rail operators do not see this. Drop the prices and they will come. forest hump
  • Score: 0

10:43am Wed 20 Aug 14

The Wickham Man says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others.

Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to

While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn.

As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people.
The reason I have the most contempt for you is that you think you aspire to some sort of political status when you are clearly not fit enough, not intelligent enough and not even thoughtful enough. You are an unpleasant bigot who tries to smear and caricature anyone in the political opposition without sticking to the issues. In almost all your posts you are too lazy to analyse the topic properly and your primary and overriding driver is to judge people on where and to whom they were born and then smear them for it. If anyone illustrates how politics is a circle not a line it is you - you just arrive at the same position of judgemental intolerance from the opposite direction to the fascists. You seem to be reinventing the basis of an inverted caste system by your deeds. I may talk "posh" to your ears but I was born to a family that talked that way, and I went to school where my parents sent me, You name me a 5 year old who decided to got to Private school because of a political preference. Well I am an ordinary person, I work hard and I use the train to get me to a job that pays me more. To you that makes me an object to be sneered and reviled, rather than those who never venture further than their local labour exchange and moan because they haven't done as well as others. now do you want to talk about privatisation or just regurgitate the same tired old left wing dogma that just tells everyone (apart from Southy who is illiterate anyway) you don't actually know anything about anything.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others. Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn. As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people.[/p][/quote]The reason I have the most contempt for you is that you think you aspire to some sort of political status when you are clearly not fit enough, not intelligent enough and not even thoughtful enough. You are an unpleasant bigot who tries to smear and caricature anyone in the political opposition without sticking to the issues. In almost all your posts you are too lazy to analyse the topic properly and your primary and overriding driver is to judge people on where and to whom they were born and then smear them for it. If anyone illustrates how politics is a circle not a line it is you - you just arrive at the same position of judgemental intolerance from the opposite direction to the fascists. You seem to be reinventing the basis of an inverted caste system by your deeds. I may talk "posh" to your ears but I was born to a family that talked that way, and I went to school where my parents sent me, You name me a 5 year old who decided to got to Private school because of a political preference. Well I am an ordinary person, I work hard and I use the train to get me to a job that pays me more. To you that makes me an object to be sneered and reviled, rather than those who never venture further than their local labour exchange and moan because they haven't done as well as others. now do you want to talk about privatisation or just regurgitate the same tired old left wing dogma that just tells everyone (apart from Southy who is illiterate anyway) you don't actually know anything about anything. The Wickham Man
  • Score: -1

11:51am Wed 20 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

derek james wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others.

Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to

While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn.

As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people.
whilst no fan of the tories i think you'll find it was eu directive 91/411 that forced the government to privatise the railways, it's been downhill ever since
I have no doubt that you also remember under which party's government UK joined the EEC the mother of the EU?

If my memory serves me right it was Tory prime minister Ted Heath, whose record later on exposed that he'd instructed the pen pushers not to disclose to British public that real aim was to create a political union.

So the Torris having sacrificed part UK's sovereignaity at the alter of Super State of Europe can hardly hide behind the excuse that the EU forced Thatcher to privatise. Although I am one of those who believe that they did it because of dangerous Thatcherism dogma.

Am I correct in thinking that public transport in every EU member states is still not fully privatised?
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others. Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn. As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people.[/p][/quote]whilst no fan of the tories i think you'll find it was eu directive 91/411 that forced the government to privatise the railways, it's been downhill ever since[/p][/quote]I have no doubt that you also remember under which party's government UK joined the EEC the mother of the EU? If my memory serves me right it was Tory prime minister Ted Heath, whose record later on exposed that he'd instructed the pen pushers not to disclose to British public that real aim was to create a political union. So the Torris having sacrificed part UK's sovereignaity at the alter of Super State of Europe can hardly hide behind the excuse that the EU forced Thatcher to privatise. Although I am one of those who believe that they did it because of dangerous Thatcherism dogma. Am I correct in thinking that public transport in every EU member states is still not fully privatised? Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ChandlersFordKev says...

southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Public transport in this country is an absolute joke. Why can we not manage lower cost travel? Belgium, France, Holland et. al. seem to cope?
Thats because there is a state public transport also which keeps the private public transport in check and stops them from over changing.

Bit like what use to happen before the 1980's cutt backs and sell off, example Southampton City Busses controlled the bus fares with in the City Limits it stop the private companys from over charging when entering the city limits
As much as at times I disagree with Southy on most things. He does have a point here.

In Edinburgh any fare, no matter how far is capped at a single of £1.50. Some journeys are even as far out as 10 miles from the city limits. This is because Lothian Buses, were the old corporation buses and were taken over by management buy out. They kept the ethos and as such private bus firms like, first also have to keep the prices low.

This is shown, were I live now. 30 mile bus journey to Edinburgh from Galashiels (no train yet) on First. A single is £6.80, the last ten miles I could travel at £1.50. The reason being that Lothian buses runs as far south as Gorebridge.

So yes in this instance Southy is correct, as it is shown in this actual working example.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Public transport in this country is an absolute joke. Why can we not manage lower cost travel? Belgium, France, Holland et. al. seem to cope?[/p][/quote]Thats because there is a state public transport also which keeps the private public transport in check and stops them from over changing. Bit like what use to happen before the 1980's cutt backs and sell off, example Southampton City Busses controlled the bus fares with in the City Limits it stop the private companys from over charging when entering the city limits[/p][/quote]As much as at times I disagree with Southy on most things. He does have a point here. In Edinburgh any fare, no matter how far is capped at a single of £1.50. Some journeys are even as far out as 10 miles from the city limits. This is because Lothian Buses, were the old corporation buses and were taken over by management buy out. They kept the ethos and as such private bus firms like, first also have to keep the prices low. This is shown, were I live now. 30 mile bus journey to Edinburgh from Galashiels (no train yet) on First. A single is £6.80, the last ten miles I could travel at £1.50. The reason being that Lothian buses runs as far south as Gorebridge. So yes in this instance Southy is correct, as it is shown in this actual working example. ChandlersFordKev
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2:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Andy Locks Heath says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
derek james wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others.

Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to

While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn.

As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people.
whilst no fan of the tories i think you'll find it was eu directive 91/411 that forced the government to privatise the railways, it's been downhill ever since
I have no doubt that you also remember under which party's government UK joined the EEC the mother of the EU?

If my memory serves me right it was Tory prime minister Ted Heath, whose record later on exposed that he'd instructed the pen pushers not to disclose to British public that real aim was to create a political union.

So the Torris having sacrificed part UK's sovereignaity at the alter of Super State of Europe can hardly hide behind the excuse that the EU forced Thatcher to privatise. Although I am one of those who believe that they did it because of dangerous Thatcherism dogma.

Am I correct in thinking that public transport in every EU member states is still not fully privatised?
That is not correct, because the UK like most EU countries is part private, part public. The Netherlands is a typical example, where intercity is a state owned franchise, while local services are run by companies. In Germany infrastructure is public while business sectors are arms length. In the UK Network Rail has actually been renationalised (though not acknowledged) because its debt is now consolidated into Government current accounts. The East Coast Railways franchise was also taken back into public ownership following the failure of National Express East Coast. Elsewhere I am confused that on one hand you blame Mrs Thatcher and the Tories for privatising and breaking up state monopolies yet you also seem to blame the tories when they seem to be responsible for creating a superstate, which is broadly supported by socialist groups across the EU. I agree that Edward Heath deliberately misled the electorate on the federalist agenda of the EEC as it was then, but you seem to have totally misunderstood how the EU operated with regard to State railways and in fact all other national utilities as well. It was nothing to do with "Thatcherist Dogma" - that shows a poor understanding of the motivation.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: When Tories privatised trains they lied that competition will drive the fares down, and many were stupid enough to buy that fib along with few others. Sadly the defecto Tory governments of Thatcherised NuLabour rather than reversing those policies not only kept on doing the same but in many cases privatised even more than even the nastiest bits of Tories could have even dreamed of or dared to While incomes of ordinary people from both working and middle class are going down the train fares and incomes of the bosses and bankers keep going up. It will mean only those with decreased income who have no choice but to travel by train being ripped off to subsidise the mode of travel normally affordable by the rich parasites of the society, whose tax rates were first reduced by NuLabour's Brown and then by Tory posh boy George Osborn. As Miliband led right wing mob have hardly any policies other than aping the Tories, it is difficult to imagine train fares ever becoming affordable for ordinary people.[/p][/quote]whilst no fan of the tories i think you'll find it was eu directive 91/411 that forced the government to privatise the railways, it's been downhill ever since[/p][/quote]I have no doubt that you also remember under which party's government UK joined the EEC the mother of the EU? If my memory serves me right it was Tory prime minister Ted Heath, whose record later on exposed that he'd instructed the pen pushers not to disclose to British public that real aim was to create a political union. So the Torris having sacrificed part UK's sovereignaity at the alter of Super State of Europe can hardly hide behind the excuse that the EU forced Thatcher to privatise. Although I am one of those who believe that they did it because of dangerous Thatcherism dogma. Am I correct in thinking that public transport in every EU member states is still not fully privatised?[/p][/quote]That is not correct, because the UK like most EU countries is part private, part public. The Netherlands is a typical example, where intercity is a state owned franchise, while local services are run by companies. In Germany infrastructure is public while business sectors are arms length. In the UK Network Rail has actually been renationalised (though not acknowledged) because its debt is now consolidated into Government current accounts. The East Coast Railways franchise was also taken back into public ownership following the failure of National Express East Coast. Elsewhere I am confused that on one hand you blame Mrs Thatcher and the Tories for privatising and breaking up state monopolies yet you also seem to blame the tories when they seem to be responsible for creating a superstate, which is broadly supported by socialist groups across the EU. I agree that Edward Heath deliberately misled the electorate on the federalist agenda of the EEC as it was then, but you seem to have totally misunderstood how the EU operated with regard to State railways and in fact all other national utilities as well. It was nothing to do with "Thatcherist Dogma" - that shows a poor understanding of the motivation. Andy Locks Heath
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2:51pm Wed 20 Aug 14

southy says...

camerajuan wrote:
southy wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
southy wrote:
You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits.
Typical joyous response from you Southy. Ever think that this could affect other people outside of the London commuters??

My girlfriend works in Basingstoke for a company that doesn't offer a travel benefit and already pays almost £300 a month to travel. This will further increase her outgoings. Should we move our lives closer to Basingstoke?
People like your self let it happen and your not willing to try and change things for the better, Moving to Basingstoke would be a good idea my nephew and his family moved to Basingstoke when the company he was working for pull out of Southampton (P&O).
There was a time when companys paid traveling expenses and/or lodging even some layed on the Transport for its workers, But where people don't join Unions and not willing to fight for what was gained in the pass have lost it all now and they just moan about price increases, many have bought it apond them selfs and have no right to complain.
You want to do some thing about it join a Union
Yeah I "let" the rail prices go up, are you drunk?

Our lives are in Southampton. Closest friends, my work, both of our sports teams and training grounds, nightlife and restaurants - all in Southampton. Moving closer to or actually to Basingstoke would cause even more expense as we'd be constantly travelling back and forward to Southampton.

Both in Unions thanks, good to see you've done your research though I really didn't expect anything less from you.
Off couse they will go up, but its a case of how much they will go up, under a state ran system the price increases are cap to the min as are the emplyees wages under a private sector system they are not and the increase will be far greater and the employees wages lower, its all about profit how much can they get.

Any way there soon will be a time about moving if you want to, the sellers market is starting to crash at the moment it's starting to go into a buyers market, but according to the experts it will go far greater in a down turn a housing crash.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: You all know the answer if you commute to work and that is to move closer to your job, To many of you want the high wages of London and want the cheaper living out side of London and then complain about train fares increase, What did you expect some of you want this private sector to run things because you believe in the lie it will be cheaper your wrong, Bosses and share holders what bigger cuts in the profits.[/p][/quote]Typical joyous response from you Southy. Ever think that this could affect other people outside of the London commuters?? My girlfriend works in Basingstoke for a company that doesn't offer a travel benefit and already pays almost £300 a month to travel. This will further increase her outgoings. Should we move our lives closer to Basingstoke?[/p][/quote]People like your self let it happen and your not willing to try and change things for the better, Moving to Basingstoke would be a good idea my nephew and his family moved to Basingstoke when the company he was working for pull out of Southampton (P&O). There was a time when companys paid traveling expenses and/or lodging even some layed on the Transport for its workers, But where people don't join Unions and not willing to fight for what was gained in the pass have lost it all now and they just moan about price increases, many have bought it apond them selfs and have no right to complain. You want to do some thing about it join a Union[/p][/quote]Yeah I "let" the rail prices go up, are you drunk? Our lives are in Southampton. Closest friends, my work, both of our sports teams and training grounds, nightlife and restaurants - all in Southampton. Moving closer to or actually to Basingstoke would cause even more expense as we'd be constantly travelling back and forward to Southampton. Both in Unions thanks, good to see you've done your research though I really didn't expect anything less from you.[/p][/quote]Off couse they will go up, but its a case of how much they will go up, under a state ran system the price increases are cap to the min as are the emplyees wages under a private sector system they are not and the increase will be far greater and the employees wages lower, its all about profit how much can they get. Any way there soon will be a time about moving if you want to, the sellers market is starting to crash at the moment it's starting to go into a buyers market, but according to the experts it will go far greater in a down turn a housing crash. southy
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