Brett and Naghmeh King are desperate to see their son again after their release from prison

Brett King speaks to the press after leaving prison

Brett King speaks to the press after leaving prison

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THE FATHER of Ashya King has spoken of how his “heart ached for his son” whilst he has in kept away from him in prison.

Brett King said: ''My heart is aching for my son. I want to see my son's face.''

 Asked what the ordeal had been like, Mrs King said: ''All I was doing all the time was crying and crying. What could I do in a prison cell?''

Asked how angry they were, Mr King said: ''I wouldn't say angry, I'm just missing my son so much. Anger can't come in at the moment because I've just got these feelings I've got to see my son's face.''

The boy's mother said: ''I just want to wet his mouth because he can't drink through his mouth, I want to brush his teeth, I want to turn him side to side every 15 minutes because he can't move. I just want to do all those things I was doing from Southampton, I want to do it for him here.''

Asked about being separated from her son, she said: ''I was just praying so I could be reunited with him again. I couldn't do much, really - all I could do was just cry and pray.''

Mr King added: "He said: “I just want to say a big thank you to David Cameron and everyone who has helped us.

“There was not a moment that went by without our hearts hurting to see Ashya.”

He described the pain of hearing his wife crying in a cell near to him.

“I was going to ask to move cells because I could not listen to my wife crying

“When you are locked up, you just don't know what is happening, you can't do anything. You don't know what the future is. What was going to happen to Ashya without us.”

Mr King explained how he felt when he was separated from his son. He said: “They just wanted to take him away from us.

“They did not how to care for him that he needed to move him in his arms, from side to side. They just wanted to take him away from us.”

“My heart is still up here (gesturing above his chest) I don't feel good. We just want to see our son.

“We can be together as a family and show love to him, without that there is no purpose to life.”

He was speaking at a press conference in Spain which he is holding with his wife Naghmeh who said she had prayed she would be reunited with Ashya whilst she was imprisioned.

The couple spent two nights in prison in Madrid after their arrest on Saturday whilst the authorities in Spain dealt with an extradition request from Britain.

That was sparked after the Crown Prosecution Service applied for international arrest warrants for the pair after their took brain tumour patient Ashya out of Southampton General Hospital where he was receiving treatment without the consent of medics.

They were eventually found in Malaga on Saturday. Ashya was admitted to a local hospital whilst his parents were remanded into custody.

In a dramatic day of developments yesterday which saw a 126,000 signature petition handed in to Downing Street calling for the Kings' release and political pressure from the Prime Minister, the Crown Prosecution Service withdrew the arrest warrants.

Within the hour a Spanish judge had ordered the release of Mr and Mrs King. They were then driven from the prison in Madrid to Seville where they held the press conference this morning.

In a further development five year old Ashya is now set to go to the Czech Republic for the treatment his parents wanted him to receive.

His medical records have been sent to the Proton Therapy Centre (PTC) in Prague, which said it had agreed the specialised technique is suitable for him.

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12:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

good-gosh says...

The father made even more revealing comments to repoerters after the conference – like he told Southampton that the child would be taken away for more reliable treatment available abroad.
The father made even more revealing comments to repoerters after the conference – like he told Southampton that the child would be taken away for more reliable treatment available abroad. good-gosh
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12:30pm Wed 3 Sep 14

kiz.bartlett says...

good-gosh wrote:
The father made even more revealing comments to repoerters after the conference – like he told Southampton that the child would be taken away for more reliable treatment available abroad.
If he did say this to the reporters, why did he not say anything about letting the doctors know of his intentions prior to this. He has been pretty vocal about the whole situation beforehand, and this information would have been beneficial to the familys situation.

Call me cynical, but it just seems a bit odd he never mentioned this before.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: The father made even more revealing comments to repoerters after the conference – like he told Southampton that the child would be taken away for more reliable treatment available abroad.[/p][/quote]If he did say this to the reporters, why did he not say anything about letting the doctors know of his intentions prior to this. He has been pretty vocal about the whole situation beforehand, and this information would have been beneficial to the familys situation. Call me cynical, but it just seems a bit odd he never mentioned this before. kiz.bartlett
  • Score: 14

12:33pm Wed 3 Sep 14

From the sidelines says...

The dignity shown by this family, under the most unbelievable bullying, is truly inspirational.

From reports available publicly, we can summarise:

Ashya was given around four months to live. The family said they wanted to try the Proton Bean Therapy, which Southampton General could not, or would not, give. They argued it would be of no benefit.

A discussion ensued, with the family suggesting that they might take their child elsewhere for treatment. This was me with a threat of Southampton General seeking a court order, which would have stopped the parents even being in the ward with their child, let alone seeking different treatment.

The parents took their child out of hospital. This, they are entitled to do, unless there is a court order in place. (Apparently, at the time, there wasn't).

Southampton General alerted Hampshire Police that a child had been 'abducted' without the doctors' 'consent'. The doctors are not in a position to give or deny consent, they are only able to recommend and advise; but let this small fact not stand in the way of Southampton General and its hubristic staff.

Hampshire police, being a dim lot, sprang into unquestioning action on a 'child protection' mission.

Further mud was thrown at the family's religious beliefs, yet the family was not arguing for 'no treatment', nor was it arguing for some new-age woo like homeopathy. It was looking for new and apparently better treatment, and had a provider willing to treat.

When the question of consent became shaky, Southampton General then threw around further suggestions that the child's feeding equipment would run out of power / out of food. The father appeared in a video with much food and a mains adapter, rather disproving the hospital's allegation.

So then, the CPS became involved, and in the absence of any other charge, a vague and nebulous 'child neglect' accusation was made to secure an arrest warrant. Now, neglect takes many forms, but taking a sick child from a hospital that would not treat, to secure a new type of treatment for which international evidence is promising, and preparing to sell assets to fund said treatment, whilst keeping the family together and the child well cared for, doesn't look like neglect to me.


We have here a family that has apparently endured bullying and imprisonment at the hands of Southampton General, Hampshire Police, and the CPS. For what? Why are these authorities so keen to deny the child treatment in the Czech Republic?

Yet still, their first thoughts are for their child.

(I'm sure my summary is incomplete, such is the nature of reporting and the control of information. Any corrections would be most welcome).
The dignity shown by this family, under the most unbelievable bullying, is truly inspirational. From reports available publicly, we can summarise: Ashya was given around four months to live. The family said they wanted to try the Proton Bean Therapy, which Southampton General could not, or would not, give. They argued it would be of no benefit. A discussion ensued, with the family suggesting that they might take their child elsewhere for treatment. This was me with a threat of Southampton General seeking a court order, which would have stopped the parents even being in the ward with their child, let alone seeking different treatment. The parents took their child out of hospital. This, they are entitled to do, unless there is a court order in place. (Apparently, at the time, there wasn't). Southampton General alerted Hampshire Police that a child had been 'abducted' without the doctors' 'consent'. The doctors are not in a position to give or deny consent, they are only able to recommend and advise; but let this small fact not stand in the way of Southampton General and its hubristic staff. Hampshire police, being a dim lot, sprang into unquestioning action on a 'child protection' mission. Further mud was thrown at the family's religious beliefs, yet the family was not arguing for 'no treatment', nor was it arguing for some new-age woo like homeopathy. It was looking for new and apparently better treatment, and had a provider willing to treat. When the question of consent became shaky, Southampton General then threw around further suggestions that the child's feeding equipment would run out of power / out of food. The father appeared in a video with much food and a mains adapter, rather disproving the hospital's allegation. So then, the CPS became involved, and in the absence of any other charge, a vague and nebulous 'child neglect' accusation was made to secure an arrest warrant. Now, neglect takes many forms, but taking a sick child from a hospital that would not treat, to secure a new type of treatment for which international evidence is promising, and preparing to sell assets to fund said treatment, whilst keeping the family together and the child well cared for, doesn't look like neglect to me. We have here a family that has apparently endured bullying and imprisonment at the hands of Southampton General, Hampshire Police, and the CPS. For what? Why are these authorities so keen to deny the child treatment in the Czech Republic? Yet still, their first thoughts are for their child. (I'm sure my summary is incomplete, such is the nature of reporting and the control of information. Any corrections would be most welcome). From the sidelines
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12:38pm Wed 3 Sep 14

From the sidelines says...

Further questionable behaviour from Southampton General:

"The Proton Therapy Centre, where Ashya King's parents want him treated, have told LBC that Southampton General Hospital withheld crucial medical documents for two weeks."

"Ms Tatonova told LBC: "I don't understand it, why they have been hesitating to give full information and documentation to Ashya's parents."

Report at http://www.lbc.co.uk
/southampton-hospita
l-delayed-ashyas-not
es-for-two-weeks-964
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I'm beginning to think Southampton General is unfit to be trusted with the care of my family.
Further questionable behaviour from Southampton General: "The Proton Therapy Centre, where Ashya King's parents want him treated, have told LBC that Southampton General Hospital withheld crucial medical documents for two weeks." "Ms Tatonova told LBC: "I don't understand it, why they have been hesitating to give full information and documentation to Ashya's parents." Report at http://www.lbc.co.uk /southampton-hospita l-delayed-ashyas-not es-for-two-weeks-964 44 I'm beginning to think Southampton General is unfit to be trusted with the care of my family. From the sidelines
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12:42pm Wed 3 Sep 14

david33 says...

I agree with the last post and I think I would have done exactly the same put in their position. But in an ironic twist I think because of of the mess up and poor treatment they may end up with more,....more treatment and more money to help with their child. Call it payback ! and I wish them all the luck.
I agree with the last post and I think I would have done exactly the same put in their position. But in an ironic twist I think because of of the mess up and poor treatment they may end up with more,....more treatment and more money to help with their child. Call it payback ! and I wish them all the luck. david33
  • Score: -5

1:38pm Wed 3 Sep 14

good-gosh says...

kiz.bartlett wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
The father made even more revealing comments to repoerters after the conference – like he told Southampton that the child would be taken away for more reliable treatment available abroad.
If he did say this to the reporters, why did he not say anything about letting the doctors know of his intentions prior to this. He has been pretty vocal about the whole situation beforehand, and this information would have been beneficial to the familys situation.

Call me cynical, but it just seems a bit odd he never mentioned this before.
He did tell the hospital – many times - in a BBC interview, he said he had written letters and emails to the hospital telling them what he intended. Can't fault him on that one.
[quote][p][bold]kiz.bartlett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: The father made even more revealing comments to repoerters after the conference – like he told Southampton that the child would be taken away for more reliable treatment available abroad.[/p][/quote]If he did say this to the reporters, why did he not say anything about letting the doctors know of his intentions prior to this. He has been pretty vocal about the whole situation beforehand, and this information would have been beneficial to the familys situation. Call me cynical, but it just seems a bit odd he never mentioned this before.[/p][/quote]He did tell the hospital – many times - in a BBC interview, he said he had written letters and emails to the hospital telling them what he intended. Can't fault him on that one. good-gosh
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1:52pm Wed 3 Sep 14

kiz.bartlett says...

good-gosh wrote:
kiz.bartlett wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
The father made even more revealing comments to repoerters after the conference – like he told Southampton that the child would be taken away for more reliable treatment available abroad.
If he did say this to the reporters, why did he not say anything about letting the doctors know of his intentions prior to this. He has been pretty vocal about the whole situation beforehand, and this information would have been beneficial to the familys situation.

Call me cynical, but it just seems a bit odd he never mentioned this before.
He did tell the hospital – many times - in a BBC interview, he said he had written letters and emails to the hospital telling them what he intended. Can't fault him on that one.
Which then poses 2 questions. Firstly he said he was too scared to speak to the doctors which is why he didnt say anything, But now he is saying he did let them know.

And that if he questioned the treatment, he would be slapped with a restraining order. This situation would be deemed a lot worse than merely questioning his treatment, so why didnt the doctors issue a restraining order like they said they would?

I dont know the full situation, which is why i take any information, either for or against the family, with a pinch of salt. But it does seem his statement is quite contradictory to what was said before.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kiz.bartlett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: The father made even more revealing comments to repoerters after the conference – like he told Southampton that the child would be taken away for more reliable treatment available abroad.[/p][/quote]If he did say this to the reporters, why did he not say anything about letting the doctors know of his intentions prior to this. He has been pretty vocal about the whole situation beforehand, and this information would have been beneficial to the familys situation. Call me cynical, but it just seems a bit odd he never mentioned this before.[/p][/quote]He did tell the hospital – many times - in a BBC interview, he said he had written letters and emails to the hospital telling them what he intended. Can't fault him on that one.[/p][/quote]Which then poses 2 questions. Firstly he said he was too scared to speak to the doctors which is why he didnt say anything, But now he is saying he did let them know. And that if he questioned the treatment, he would be slapped with a restraining order. This situation would be deemed a lot worse than merely questioning his treatment, so why didnt the doctors issue a restraining order like they said they would? I dont know the full situation, which is why i take any information, either for or against the family, with a pinch of salt. But it does seem his statement is quite contradictory to what was said before. kiz.bartlett
  • Score: 4

2:11pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Ronnie G says...

In a further development five year old Ashya is now set to go to the Czech Republic for the treatment his parents wanted him to receive.
MMmm. Thankfully the truth is emerging now because this family did not stop fighting these so called bullying 'medical experts' at SGH, who had the audacity to stick to their claim to the press that there was no evidence to support the fact that the Proton Therapy Treatment would, benefit Ashya, adding that if there was then they were happy to have him referred abroad to receive the necessary medical attention he desperately required...OOPs. I think the hospital trust did not want to fund this treatment whether for political, personal or private reasons of their own. Why else refuse this child the treatment when other medical experts have agreed in fact that this is a suitable treatment for Ashya?

Now its clear the EVIDENCE IS THERE TO SUPPORT Ashya's case for receiving the Proton Beam Treatment that his parents, siblings family/friends had heartbreakingly fought so hard for in this catastrophic atrocity of recent events.
Ashya's medical records have been sent to the Proton Therapy Centre (PTC) in Prague, which said it had agreed the specialised technique is suitable for him.
I have had high regard for the doctors at SGH/UHS to me they are on a par with God almost in the sense that they too really can perform miracles saving families and lives.
It seems they too are falling foul of a CERTAIN POLITICS within the medical establishment.
This was not about saving lives this was about Public Services not wanting to spend the cash & by putting mouth into action before professional duty of care brain was put into gear SGH/UHS/CPS failed in their attempts to dissuade the Kings from choosing this expensive course of treatment, so took a heavy handed arrogant approach of over exaggerating circumstances slightly and are now trying to save face.
I reckon they also looked down on the Kings in that 'they looked like' they couldn't afford to pay for their sons treatment (meaning hospital trust wouldn't finance it because they thought it would never be paid back) which would explain the Unacceptably Rude non response to Mr Kings letter explaining how and that they could raise the funds.
The fact the Proton Therapy Centre (Prague) readily agreed prior to seeing Ashya's medical records they would be happy to treat him first before any financial agreement is reached just says it all for their excellent committment to saving lives and upholds their duty of care standards that all human beings on this planet should be entitled to receive....

Ashya IS suitable for receiving the Proton treatment as was originally requested for by his loving parents ( albeit according to the powers that be) they were not medically trained or qualified enough by SGH/UHS Foundation Trust Standards to make such a decision regarding their son's welfare).
These decision making officials have been in their jobs for far too long, they make the same mistake every time, thinking the public are too stupid to know anything. They have forgotten what it is to have compassion, to have the instinct to protect, to have that fire in their belly to keep searching for the truth and most of all to have the ability to love and be loved.
it used to be all about number crunching the annual figures to hide the fact they be lining their own nests. Now its worse. Its politically unjust and its becoming a regular occurrence with certain officials within SCC too.
YES they know who they are....

Right so who? at Southampton General Hospital/SGH-UHS Foundation Trust has been abusing their powers of authority within the Public Commercial Services again then eh ???
My guess Mr P.C.C. is to start at the top tier and work your way down.......
In a further development five year old Ashya is now set to go to the Czech Republic for the treatment his parents wanted him to receive. MMmm. Thankfully the truth is emerging now because this family did not stop fighting these so called bullying 'medical experts' at SGH, who had the audacity to stick to their claim to the press that there was no evidence to support the fact that the Proton Therapy Treatment would, benefit Ashya, adding that if there was then they were happy to have him referred abroad to receive the necessary medical attention he desperately required...OOPs. I think the hospital trust did not want to fund this treatment whether for political, personal or private reasons of their own. Why else refuse this child the treatment when other medical experts have agreed in fact that this is a suitable treatment for Ashya? Now its clear the EVIDENCE IS THERE TO SUPPORT Ashya's case for receiving the Proton Beam Treatment that his parents, siblings family/friends had heartbreakingly fought so hard for in this catastrophic atrocity of recent events. Ashya's medical records have been sent to the Proton Therapy Centre (PTC) in Prague, which said it had agreed the specialised technique is suitable for him. I have had high regard for the doctors at SGH/UHS to me they are on a par with God almost in the sense that they too really can perform miracles saving families and lives. It seems they too are falling foul of a CERTAIN POLITICS within the medical establishment. This was not about saving lives this was about Public Services not wanting to spend the cash & by putting mouth into action before professional duty of care brain was put into gear SGH/UHS/CPS failed in their attempts to dissuade the Kings from choosing this expensive course of treatment, so took a heavy handed arrogant approach of over exaggerating circumstances slightly and are now trying to save face. I reckon they also looked down on the Kings in that 'they looked like' they couldn't afford to pay for their sons treatment (meaning hospital trust wouldn't finance it because they thought it would never be paid back) which would explain the Unacceptably Rude non response to Mr Kings letter explaining how and that they could raise the funds. The fact the Proton Therapy Centre (Prague) readily agreed prior to seeing Ashya's medical records they would be happy to treat him first before any financial agreement is reached just says it all for their excellent committment to saving lives and upholds their duty of care standards that all human beings on this planet should be entitled to receive.... Ashya IS suitable for receiving the Proton treatment as was originally requested for by his loving parents ( albeit according to the powers that be) they were not medically trained or qualified enough by SGH/UHS Foundation Trust Standards to make such a decision regarding their son's welfare). These decision making officials have been in their jobs for far too long, they make the same mistake every time, thinking the public are too stupid to know anything. They have forgotten what it is to have compassion, to have the instinct to protect, to have that fire in their belly to keep searching for the truth and most of all to have the ability to love and be loved. it used to be all about number crunching the annual figures to hide the fact they be lining their own nests. Now its worse. Its politically unjust and its becoming a regular occurrence with certain officials within SCC too. YES they know who they are.... Right so who? at Southampton General Hospital/SGH-UHS Foundation Trust has been abusing their powers of authority within the Public Commercial Services again then eh ??? My guess Mr P.C.C. is to start at the top tier and work your way down....... Ronnie G
  • Score: -4

2:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

From the sidelines wrote:
The dignity shown by this family, under the most unbelievable bullying, is truly inspirational.

From reports available publicly, we can summarise:

Ashya was given around four months to live. The family said they wanted to try the Proton Bean Therapy, which Southampton General could not, or would not, give. They argued it would be of no benefit.

A discussion ensued, with the family suggesting that they might take their child elsewhere for treatment. This was me with a threat of Southampton General seeking a court order, which would have stopped the parents even being in the ward with their child, let alone seeking different treatment.

The parents took their child out of hospital. This, they are entitled to do, unless there is a court order in place. (Apparently, at the time, there wasn't).

Southampton General alerted Hampshire Police that a child had been 'abducted' without the doctors' 'consent'. The doctors are not in a position to give or deny consent, they are only able to recommend and advise; but let this small fact not stand in the way of Southampton General and its hubristic staff.

Hampshire police, being a dim lot, sprang into unquestioning action on a 'child protection' mission.

Further mud was thrown at the family's religious beliefs, yet the family was not arguing for 'no treatment', nor was it arguing for some new-age woo like homeopathy. It was looking for new and apparently better treatment, and had a provider willing to treat.

When the question of consent became shaky, Southampton General then threw around further suggestions that the child's feeding equipment would run out of power / out of food. The father appeared in a video with much food and a mains adapter, rather disproving the hospital's allegation.

So then, the CPS became involved, and in the absence of any other charge, a vague and nebulous 'child neglect' accusation was made to secure an arrest warrant. Now, neglect takes many forms, but taking a sick child from a hospital that would not treat, to secure a new type of treatment for which international evidence is promising, and preparing to sell assets to fund said treatment, whilst keeping the family together and the child well cared for, doesn't look like neglect to me.


We have here a family that has apparently endured bullying and imprisonment at the hands of Southampton General, Hampshire Police, and the CPS. For what? Why are these authorities so keen to deny the child treatment in the Czech Republic?

Yet still, their first thoughts are for their child.

(I'm sure my summary is incomplete, such is the nature of reporting and the control of information. Any corrections would be most welcome).
In the absence of full detailed information and based on what most of us came to know from various news, your version of events is fairly accurate.
So well done.

Hope you won't mind minor observations.

The CPS did not make a case based on 'Child Neglect' but even more serious base, cruelty . Any sane person should be asking since when the parents trying to pay for their sick child's treatment has become cruel?

I don't share the impression given by you that Hospital and the Police are completely useless. Most of the time these institutions do very good work, but sometime they also make mistakes.

Those rare mistakes may not become huge issues, if people in these organisations stop being stubborn and start accepting the facts rather than their usual institutional culture of closing ranks and trying to cover up with plausible excuses and start throwing whatever they can for discrediting small complainants, mostly by feeding nasty bits and pieces to media hacks. (Although in this case we will never know who started most unfairly blaming parents for their religion)

Root cause of this kind of culture is that collectively the society has kept on putting some professions on the pedestal for far too long. Rather than having blind faith all of us including these so called 'respectable professionals' should accept the fact that every human being is not perfect so can sometime end up in doing something wrong.

In this case I believe that all the parties involved (hospital, police and parents) wanted to help Aysha, but in their own way. Somehow due to breakdown in communications they all got entrenched in differing/opposite positions, with one little innocent boy in the middle due to none of his fault.

Thankfully the nightmare is over and let all of us hope that Aysha fully recovers soon and wish him well.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: The dignity shown by this family, under the most unbelievable bullying, is truly inspirational. From reports available publicly, we can summarise: Ashya was given around four months to live. The family said they wanted to try the Proton Bean Therapy, which Southampton General could not, or would not, give. They argued it would be of no benefit. A discussion ensued, with the family suggesting that they might take their child elsewhere for treatment. This was me with a threat of Southampton General seeking a court order, which would have stopped the parents even being in the ward with their child, let alone seeking different treatment. The parents took their child out of hospital. This, they are entitled to do, unless there is a court order in place. (Apparently, at the time, there wasn't). Southampton General alerted Hampshire Police that a child had been 'abducted' without the doctors' 'consent'. The doctors are not in a position to give or deny consent, they are only able to recommend and advise; but let this small fact not stand in the way of Southampton General and its hubristic staff. Hampshire police, being a dim lot, sprang into unquestioning action on a 'child protection' mission. Further mud was thrown at the family's religious beliefs, yet the family was not arguing for 'no treatment', nor was it arguing for some new-age woo like homeopathy. It was looking for new and apparently better treatment, and had a provider willing to treat. When the question of consent became shaky, Southampton General then threw around further suggestions that the child's feeding equipment would run out of power / out of food. The father appeared in a video with much food and a mains adapter, rather disproving the hospital's allegation. So then, the CPS became involved, and in the absence of any other charge, a vague and nebulous 'child neglect' accusation was made to secure an arrest warrant. Now, neglect takes many forms, but taking a sick child from a hospital that would not treat, to secure a new type of treatment for which international evidence is promising, and preparing to sell assets to fund said treatment, whilst keeping the family together and the child well cared for, doesn't look like neglect to me. We have here a family that has apparently endured bullying and imprisonment at the hands of Southampton General, Hampshire Police, and the CPS. For what? Why are these authorities so keen to deny the child treatment in the Czech Republic? Yet still, their first thoughts are for their child. (I'm sure my summary is incomplete, such is the nature of reporting and the control of information. Any corrections would be most welcome).[/p][/quote]In the absence of full detailed information and based on what most of us came to know from various news, your version of events is fairly accurate. So well done. Hope you won't mind minor observations. The CPS did not make a case based on 'Child Neglect' but even more serious base, cruelty . Any sane person should be asking since when the parents trying to pay for their sick child's treatment has become cruel? I don't share the impression given by you that Hospital and the Police are completely useless. Most of the time these institutions do very good work, but sometime they also make mistakes. Those rare mistakes may not become huge issues, if people in these organisations stop being stubborn and start accepting the facts rather than their usual institutional culture of closing ranks and trying to cover up with plausible excuses and start throwing whatever they can for discrediting small complainants, mostly by feeding nasty bits and pieces to media hacks. (Although in this case we will never know who started most unfairly blaming parents for their religion) Root cause of this kind of culture is that collectively the society has kept on putting some professions on the pedestal for far too long. Rather than having blind faith all of us including these so called 'respectable professionals' should accept the fact that every human being is not perfect so can sometime end up in doing something wrong. In this case I believe that all the parties involved (hospital, police and parents) wanted to help Aysha, but in their own way. Somehow due to breakdown in communications they all got entrenched in differing/opposite positions, with one little innocent boy in the middle due to none of his fault. Thankfully the nightmare is over and let all of us hope that Aysha fully recovers soon and wish him well. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -1

3:45pm Wed 3 Sep 14

maymay79 says...

There are many bullies within the staff at Southampton General Hospital. A culture of bullying. Poor family...
There are many bullies within the staff at Southampton General Hospital. A culture of bullying. Poor family... maymay79
  • Score: -5

6:46pm Wed 3 Sep 14

From the sidelines says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
The dignity shown by this family, under the most unbelievable bullying, is truly inspirational.

From reports available publicly, we can summarise:

Ashya was given around four months to live. The family said they wanted to try the Proton Bean Therapy, which Southampton General could not, or would not, give. They argued it would be of no benefit.

A discussion ensued, with the family suggesting that they might take their child elsewhere for treatment. This was me with a threat of Southampton General seeking a court order, which would have stopped the parents even being in the ward with their child, let alone seeking different treatment.

The parents took their child out of hospital. This, they are entitled to do, unless there is a court order in place. (Apparently, at the time, there wasn't).

Southampton General alerted Hampshire Police that a child had been 'abducted' without the doctors' 'consent'. The doctors are not in a position to give or deny consent, they are only able to recommend and advise; but let this small fact not stand in the way of Southampton General and its hubristic staff.

Hampshire police, being a dim lot, sprang into unquestioning action on a 'child protection' mission.

Further mud was thrown at the family's religious beliefs, yet the family was not arguing for 'no treatment', nor was it arguing for some new-age woo like homeopathy. It was looking for new and apparently better treatment, and had a provider willing to treat.

When the question of consent became shaky, Southampton General then threw around further suggestions that the child's feeding equipment would run out of power / out of food. The father appeared in a video with much food and a mains adapter, rather disproving the hospital's allegation.

So then, the CPS became involved, and in the absence of any other charge, a vague and nebulous 'child neglect' accusation was made to secure an arrest warrant. Now, neglect takes many forms, but taking a sick child from a hospital that would not treat, to secure a new type of treatment for which international evidence is promising, and preparing to sell assets to fund said treatment, whilst keeping the family together and the child well cared for, doesn't look like neglect to me.


We have here a family that has apparently endured bullying and imprisonment at the hands of Southampton General, Hampshire Police, and the CPS. For what? Why are these authorities so keen to deny the child treatment in the Czech Republic?

Yet still, their first thoughts are for their child.

(I'm sure my summary is incomplete, such is the nature of reporting and the control of information. Any corrections would be most welcome).
In the absence of full detailed information and based on what most of us came to know from various news, your version of events is fairly accurate.
So well done.

Hope you won't mind minor observations.

The CPS did not make a case based on 'Child Neglect' but even more serious base, cruelty . Any sane person should be asking since when the parents trying to pay for their sick child's treatment has become cruel?

I don't share the impression given by you that Hospital and the Police are completely useless. Most of the time these institutions do very good work, but sometime they also make mistakes.

Those rare mistakes may not become huge issues, if people in these organisations stop being stubborn and start accepting the facts rather than their usual institutional culture of closing ranks and trying to cover up with plausible excuses and start throwing whatever they can for discrediting small complainants, mostly by feeding nasty bits and pieces to media hacks. (Although in this case we will never know who started most unfairly blaming parents for their religion)

Root cause of this kind of culture is that collectively the society has kept on putting some professions on the pedestal for far too long. Rather than having blind faith all of us including these so called 'respectable professionals' should accept the fact that every human being is not perfect so can sometime end up in doing something wrong.

In this case I believe that all the parties involved (hospital, police and parents) wanted to help Aysha, but in their own way. Somehow due to breakdown in communications they all got entrenched in differing/opposite positions, with one little innocent boy in the middle due to none of his fault.

Thankfully the nightmare is over and let all of us hope that Aysha fully recovers soon and wish him well.
Thank you for your correction.

I note your comment regarding the hospital and police.

Regarding the police, I would suggest the attitude of 'just following orders' albeit rather enthusiastically, has pervaded. A little power goes a long way.

Regarding the hospital, I am sure their concern for the child was influenced by 'we know best' and 'who the hell is the father to reject our treatment plan'. In my experience, this attitude is not uncommon amongst medics. The questions really are, has Southampton got anything more to preserve life, and would taking the child to the Proton Centre do any harm? Given the 4 month prognosis, I'd suggest the answers are no, and no.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: The dignity shown by this family, under the most unbelievable bullying, is truly inspirational. From reports available publicly, we can summarise: Ashya was given around four months to live. The family said they wanted to try the Proton Bean Therapy, which Southampton General could not, or would not, give. They argued it would be of no benefit. A discussion ensued, with the family suggesting that they might take their child elsewhere for treatment. This was me with a threat of Southampton General seeking a court order, which would have stopped the parents even being in the ward with their child, let alone seeking different treatment. The parents took their child out of hospital. This, they are entitled to do, unless there is a court order in place. (Apparently, at the time, there wasn't). Southampton General alerted Hampshire Police that a child had been 'abducted' without the doctors' 'consent'. The doctors are not in a position to give or deny consent, they are only able to recommend and advise; but let this small fact not stand in the way of Southampton General and its hubristic staff. Hampshire police, being a dim lot, sprang into unquestioning action on a 'child protection' mission. Further mud was thrown at the family's religious beliefs, yet the family was not arguing for 'no treatment', nor was it arguing for some new-age woo like homeopathy. It was looking for new and apparently better treatment, and had a provider willing to treat. When the question of consent became shaky, Southampton General then threw around further suggestions that the child's feeding equipment would run out of power / out of food. The father appeared in a video with much food and a mains adapter, rather disproving the hospital's allegation. So then, the CPS became involved, and in the absence of any other charge, a vague and nebulous 'child neglect' accusation was made to secure an arrest warrant. Now, neglect takes many forms, but taking a sick child from a hospital that would not treat, to secure a new type of treatment for which international evidence is promising, and preparing to sell assets to fund said treatment, whilst keeping the family together and the child well cared for, doesn't look like neglect to me. We have here a family that has apparently endured bullying and imprisonment at the hands of Southampton General, Hampshire Police, and the CPS. For what? Why are these authorities so keen to deny the child treatment in the Czech Republic? Yet still, their first thoughts are for their child. (I'm sure my summary is incomplete, such is the nature of reporting and the control of information. Any corrections would be most welcome).[/p][/quote]In the absence of full detailed information and based on what most of us came to know from various news, your version of events is fairly accurate. So well done. Hope you won't mind minor observations. The CPS did not make a case based on 'Child Neglect' but even more serious base, cruelty . Any sane person should be asking since when the parents trying to pay for their sick child's treatment has become cruel? I don't share the impression given by you that Hospital and the Police are completely useless. Most of the time these institutions do very good work, but sometime they also make mistakes. Those rare mistakes may not become huge issues, if people in these organisations stop being stubborn and start accepting the facts rather than their usual institutional culture of closing ranks and trying to cover up with plausible excuses and start throwing whatever they can for discrediting small complainants, mostly by feeding nasty bits and pieces to media hacks. (Although in this case we will never know who started most unfairly blaming parents for their religion) Root cause of this kind of culture is that collectively the society has kept on putting some professions on the pedestal for far too long. Rather than having blind faith all of us including these so called 'respectable professionals' should accept the fact that every human being is not perfect so can sometime end up in doing something wrong. In this case I believe that all the parties involved (hospital, police and parents) wanted to help Aysha, but in their own way. Somehow due to breakdown in communications they all got entrenched in differing/opposite positions, with one little innocent boy in the middle due to none of his fault. Thankfully the nightmare is over and let all of us hope that Aysha fully recovers soon and wish him well.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your correction. I note your comment regarding the hospital and police. Regarding the police, I would suggest the attitude of 'just following orders' albeit rather enthusiastically, has pervaded. A little power goes a long way. Regarding the hospital, I am sure their concern for the child was influenced by 'we know best' and 'who the hell is the father to reject our treatment plan'. In my experience, this attitude is not uncommon amongst medics. The questions really are, has Southampton got anything more to preserve life, and would taking the child to the Proton Centre do any harm? Given the 4 month prognosis, I'd suggest the answers are no, and no. From the sidelines
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8:38pm Wed 3 Sep 14

not-me says...

There are too many people on here still commenting without knowing all of the facts, making their comments only on the basis that Mr King is the ONLY person telling the truth, or commenting based on what we know NOW.

The Police investigate missing persons. This isn't like the US TV shows where you wait 24 hours. Each missing person report is risk assessed based on the answers to certain questions asked of the person making the report. Based on the those answers, the missing person will be assessed as being high, medium, or low risk.

So lets look at what information the Police are going on at the start:

A serious ill child who has been out of surgery for about a week, has not been seen for a number of hours after being taken out on an unsupervised visit by his parents.

The seriously ill child is fed by a machine that has a battery that will need changing. Feeding should be done under medical supervision as if the tube gets dislodged, serious complications can occur. As far as the hospital are concerned there is no food with the child.

CCTV shows the parents removing their child from the hospital. The parents have not told the hospital that they are going to do this.

Further CCTV enquiries show the family leaving the country.

The hospital tell the Police that if the child is not found soon, he would be at grave risk of dying.

There you go - that's all of the information you have at this time. What do you do? I for one would think this would be a high risk missing person and that the Police should put as many resources as they can muster into finding that child - anything LESS would be negligent.

It's all well and good with all of the information you have now criticising the hospital and the Police, but keep in mind that the video showing Mr King caring for his son was released AFTER they were found, and at no point before then did the Kings or anyone else in the family contact the hospital or Police to let them know what was going on.
There are too many people on here still commenting without knowing all of the facts, making their comments only on the basis that Mr King is the ONLY person telling the truth, or commenting based on what we know NOW. The Police investigate missing persons. This isn't like the US TV shows where you wait 24 hours. Each missing person report is risk assessed based on the answers to certain questions asked of the person making the report. Based on the those answers, the missing person will be assessed as being high, medium, or low risk. So lets look at what information the Police are going on at the start: A serious ill child who has been out of surgery for about a week, has not been seen for a number of hours after being taken out on an unsupervised visit by his parents. The seriously ill child is fed by a machine that has a battery that will need changing. Feeding should be done under medical supervision as if the tube gets dislodged, serious complications can occur. As far as the hospital are concerned there is no food with the child. CCTV shows the parents removing their child from the hospital. The parents have not told the hospital that they are going to do this. Further CCTV enquiries show the family leaving the country. The hospital tell the Police that if the child is not found soon, he would be at grave risk of dying. There you go - that's all of the information you have at this time. What do you do? I for one would think this would be a high risk missing person and that the Police should put as many resources as they can muster into finding that child - anything LESS would be negligent. It's all well and good with all of the information you have now criticising the hospital and the Police, but keep in mind that the video showing Mr King caring for his son was released AFTER they were found, and at no point before then did the Kings or anyone else in the family contact the hospital or Police to let them know what was going on. not-me
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