Ashya King's parents have been reunited with their child but cannot take him from the Spanish hospital where he is being treated for a brain tumour

Brett and Naghmeh King speaking at a press conference this morning

Brett and Naghmeh King speaking at a press conference this morning

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THE parents of Ashya King say they are unable to take their son from the hospital in Malaga where the youngster is now being treated.

It comes minutes after father Brett King said he was being denied all access to his child.

Speaking to a throng of media as he arrived at the hospital, Mr King said: ''Portsmouth have taken the custody away, they won't let me see my child.

''Yesterday they served papers on me to take away the custody so what the Prime Minister said, and the Minister of Health, hasn't worked because me and my wife don't have custody.''

Asked what his next move would be, he said: ''To be arrested, I think.''

Ashya was temporarily made a ward of court last week. But at a hearing in the High Court yesterday Mr Justice Baker expressed concerns that the child was separated from his parents and said he hoped the parents would take part in the next hearing.

No objections were raised during the hearing to the couple seeing their son.

It comes after Prime Minister David Cameron has criticised the decisions taken by the authorities in how they responded to the removal of Ashya King from hospital by his parents.

Speaking at Prime Minister's Questions Mr Cameron said he didn't doubt that the police, justice and hospital authorities were acting with the best of intentions in trying to locate Ashya, but said he did not think the decisions taken were the right ones.

He said: ''To be fair to the authorities involved in the case of Ashya King, they all want to do the best for the child. That's what they are thinking of.

''But I think what happened was that decisions were taken that weren't correct and didn't chime with a sense of common sense. That, fortunately, has been put right.

''What all of us in public life and public offices have to do is examine what the legal requirements are, but also make a judgment, and those judgments can sometimes be all-important.''.”

Brett and Naghmeh King were freed last night after British authorities abandoned their attempts to extradite them amid a public backlash.

Daily Echo:

Brett King speaks to the press after being released from prison

And earlier today Mr King said Southampton General Hospital knew he was taking Ashya abroad for treatment before claiming he and his wife were "treated like terrorists".

He said: ''I would be happy to spend years in prison rather than my son being given treatment that's going to kill him or disable him for the rest of his life."

Mr King said he would do the same thing again if it meant getting his son the right treatment.

He said: ''My son's worth everything, worth me going to prison, worth everything because they were going to kill him in England or turn him into a vegetable.''

Mr King described the events since they removed Ashya from Southampton General Hospital as ''not real''.

He claimed he had previously informed the hospital about his plans to seek proton therapy for his son but kept the date that he intended to take him secret for fear he would be stopped.

He said: ''I said to them 'I'm going. The NHS is not going to pay, I've got to sort this out for my son'.''

But he claimed he could not disclose when he planned to remove Ashya because he had previously been ''threatened''.

''I couldn't actually tell them the day because they had threatened me previously,'' he said.

''When I just asked 'What is cancer? How did my son get it? Is there any alternatives?', straight away they said if I ask any more questions the right for me to make a decision would be taken away from me because they get an immediate court paper to say that they have right over my child.

''So from that moment I had so much fear to mention anything to them because they could have stopped my son getting any treatment and just forcing this very strong treatment on him.

''I couldn't tell them when because otherwise they might have stopped me. I was in fear.''

But Dr Peter Wilson, paediatrician at the hospital, said the family did not tell the hospital they would be taking Ashya off his ward.

He said: "The family made it very clear they would like to go to Prague. At no stage did the family say to us they were going to take Ashya out of the hospital."

When asked if the hospital had threatened to take Ashya away from his family, Dr Wilson said: "Absolutely not".

Daily Echo:

Dr Peter Wilson

They had been held in a Madrid prison after being detained by the Spanish authorities on European Arrest warrants issued in Britain at the request of the Crown Prosecution Service who were acting on information given to Hampshire police by Southampton General Hospital.

Medics have stood by the information they gave to police which instigated the string of events which ultimately led to the imprisonment of Mr and Mrs King.

They said they had a number of grounds to fear that five-year-old brain tumour patient Ashya could be at risk after he was taken by his parents from the ward on which he was being treated on Thursday without the consent of medics.

The Kings are currently on their way to Malaga to be reunited with their son after holding a press conference in Seville where they told of their anguish at being separated from their son.

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1:11pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Lordcem says...

The Prime Minister is absolutely right in condemning the actions of the authorities that took such extraordinary decisions in this case. The officer who instigated this farcical turn of events should be forced out of his job. He is obviously not fit for the position he holds and he not only acted against the parents but he has actually brought the police in this country into disrepute if not a laughing stock. Strangely the police made sure the identities and photographs of this family were splattered all over the media in several countries. I say strangely because normally the police are very reluctant to publicise real criminals' photographs. Very odd behaviour indeed don't you think? I hope this blameless family receive a large amount of compensation for their false arrest and imprisonment although no amount of money could really make up for what they suffered.
The Prime Minister is absolutely right in condemning the actions of the authorities that took such extraordinary decisions in this case. The officer who instigated this farcical turn of events should be forced out of his job. He is obviously not fit for the position he holds and he not only acted against the parents but he has actually brought the police in this country into disrepute if not a laughing stock. Strangely the police made sure the identities and photographs of this family were splattered all over the media in several countries. I say strangely because normally the police are very reluctant to publicise real criminals' photographs. Very odd behaviour indeed don't you think? I hope this blameless family receive a large amount of compensation for their false arrest and imprisonment although no amount of money could really make up for what they suffered. Lordcem
  • Score: -7

1:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

saintsfan76 says...

I can appreciate the comments made. I would hope that they wouldn't be seeking compensation but I do see Mrs. King has done an exclusive for the BBC no doubt for a fee. I am still with the damned if we do damned if we dont side of the argument concerning the hospital and then the police. Its easy to be wise after the event or even halfway through so maybe the police and CPS should have retracted their warrant before they did.

Whatever your views the important thing is to reunite this little boy with his parents and get him to Prague ASAP. And hope Southampton General were/are wrong that the proton treatment wont have an effect on him and it does indeed cure him.
I can appreciate the comments made. I would hope that they wouldn't be seeking compensation but I do see Mrs. King has done an exclusive for the BBC no doubt for a fee. I am still with the damned if we do damned if we dont side of the argument concerning the hospital and then the police. Its easy to be wise after the event or even halfway through so maybe the police and CPS should have retracted their warrant before they did. Whatever your views the important thing is to reunite this little boy with his parents and get him to Prague ASAP. And hope Southampton General were/are wrong that the proton treatment wont have an effect on him and it does indeed cure him. saintsfan76
  • Score: 16

1:46pm Wed 3 Sep 14

james rood says...

Lordcem wrote:
The Prime Minister is absolutely right in condemning the actions of the authorities that took such extraordinary decisions in this case. The officer who instigated this farcical turn of events should be forced out of his job. He is obviously not fit for the position he holds and he not only acted against the parents but he has actually brought the police in this country into disrepute if not a laughing stock. Strangely the police made sure the identities and photographs of this family were splattered all over the media in several countries. I say strangely because normally the police are very reluctant to publicise real criminals' photographs. Very odd behaviour indeed don't you think? I hope this blameless family receive a large amount of compensation for their false arrest and imprisonment although no amount of money could really make up for what they suffered.
you are very quick to point the finger at the hospital and the police, I do wonder if you would have done the same if the child had died due to his parents actions and the authorities had not done anything.
the hospital simply were concerned for the child and reported it to the police, the police were also concerned and that lead to the arrest warrant.
the clinic in Prague has confirmed they had not heard anything from the parents other than 1 email so he was not booked it so the poor kid was at serious risk.
I am glad the kid is all ok and back with his parents.
but I do hope they don't (although I'm sure they will) try for compensation against the people who's only interest was to care for there son.
[quote][p][bold]Lordcem[/bold] wrote: The Prime Minister is absolutely right in condemning the actions of the authorities that took such extraordinary decisions in this case. The officer who instigated this farcical turn of events should be forced out of his job. He is obviously not fit for the position he holds and he not only acted against the parents but he has actually brought the police in this country into disrepute if not a laughing stock. Strangely the police made sure the identities and photographs of this family were splattered all over the media in several countries. I say strangely because normally the police are very reluctant to publicise real criminals' photographs. Very odd behaviour indeed don't you think? I hope this blameless family receive a large amount of compensation for their false arrest and imprisonment although no amount of money could really make up for what they suffered.[/p][/quote]you are very quick to point the finger at the hospital and the police, I do wonder if you would have done the same if the child had died due to his parents actions and the authorities had not done anything. the hospital simply were concerned for the child and reported it to the police, the police were also concerned and that lead to the arrest warrant. the clinic in Prague has confirmed they had not heard anything from the parents other than 1 email so he was not booked it so the poor kid was at serious risk. I am glad the kid is all ok and back with his parents. but I do hope they don't (although I'm sure they will) try for compensation against the people who's only interest was to care for there son. james rood
  • Score: 33

1:57pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Ramsay says...

To blame the police is to blame the messenger. Once the medical authorities raised the alarm, the action of the police was fixed until the white coats rescinded the action.

If treatment in Prague doesn't have a positive outcome, many of the public will blame the parents, whereas if the worse had happened under normal NHS procedure, the blame would be entirely attributed to the cancer.
To blame the police is to blame the messenger. Once the medical authorities raised the alarm, the action of the police was fixed until the white coats rescinded the action. If treatment in Prague doesn't have a positive outcome, many of the public will blame the parents, whereas if the worse had happened under normal NHS procedure, the blame would be entirely attributed to the cancer. Ramsay
  • Score: 16

1:57pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Tallship says...

The family should now be left alone by the media to enable them to have time with thier son.
The family should now be left alone by the media to enable them to have time with thier son. Tallship
  • Score: 11

1:59pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Ultra Vires says...

Lordcem wrote:
The Prime Minister is absolutely right in condemning the actions of the authorities that took such extraordinary decisions in this case. The officer who instigated this farcical turn of events should be forced out of his job. He is obviously not fit for the position he holds and he not only acted against the parents but he has actually brought the police in this country into disrepute if not a laughing stock. Strangely the police made sure the identities and photographs of this family were splattered all over the media in several countries. I say strangely because normally the police are very reluctant to publicise real criminals' photographs. Very odd behaviour indeed don't you think? I hope this blameless family receive a large amount of compensation for their false arrest and imprisonment although no amount of money could really make up for what they suffered.
That's a very nice 20/20 hindsight you have there.

And what if the child died as the police did nothing? You would be on here blaming their incompetence and calling for a sacking!

The pictures were released as people need to know who to look out for, as that was the whole point in the exercise; to find them.
[quote][p][bold]Lordcem[/bold] wrote: The Prime Minister is absolutely right in condemning the actions of the authorities that took such extraordinary decisions in this case. The officer who instigated this farcical turn of events should be forced out of his job. He is obviously not fit for the position he holds and he not only acted against the parents but he has actually brought the police in this country into disrepute if not a laughing stock. Strangely the police made sure the identities and photographs of this family were splattered all over the media in several countries. I say strangely because normally the police are very reluctant to publicise real criminals' photographs. Very odd behaviour indeed don't you think? I hope this blameless family receive a large amount of compensation for their false arrest and imprisonment although no amount of money could really make up for what they suffered.[/p][/quote]That's a very nice 20/20 hindsight you have there. And what if the child died as the police did nothing? You would be on here blaming their incompetence and calling for a sacking! The pictures were released as people need to know who to look out for, as that was the whole point in the exercise; to find them. Ultra Vires
  • Score: 32

2:31pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Linesman says...

David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances.

If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police?

If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done?
Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later?

The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance.

Did they not consider that their child would be missed?

Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message?

Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent.

The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action.
David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances. If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police? If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done? Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later? The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance. Did they not consider that their child would be missed? Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message? Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent. The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action. Linesman
  • Score: 28

2:55pm Wed 3 Sep 14

saintsfan76 says...

Some common sense posts here and i know mine is one of those posts. It is worth remembering how many chilxren are treated at the General and the rate of success in those cases. I find it hard to believe that the hospital knew of his intentions to remove his child from their care. And having removed him surely he would know that the hospital would have to report it as a missing person and that people would be trying to track their whereabouts I do find it unusual as well that having been freed from custlody they were more concerned with giving interviews to the media than getting to the hospital looking after their son. Publicity stunt springs to mind meaning that by doing what they have done proton treatment and medical decisions involving nhs hospitals and young children have been well and truly thrown into the spotlight. The longer this story lasted the more it has helped the cause.
Some common sense posts here and i know mine is one of those posts. It is worth remembering how many chilxren are treated at the General and the rate of success in those cases. I find it hard to believe that the hospital knew of his intentions to remove his child from their care. And having removed him surely he would know that the hospital would have to report it as a missing person and that people would be trying to track their whereabouts I do find it unusual as well that having been freed from custlody they were more concerned with giving interviews to the media than getting to the hospital looking after their son. Publicity stunt springs to mind meaning that by doing what they have done proton treatment and medical decisions involving nhs hospitals and young children have been well and truly thrown into the spotlight. The longer this story lasted the more it has helped the cause. saintsfan76
  • Score: 10

2:58pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SLINKYBABE says...

saintsfan76 wrote:
I can appreciate the comments made. I would hope that they wouldn't be seeking compensation but I do see Mrs. King has done an exclusive for the BBC no doubt for a fee. I am still with the damned if we do damned if we dont side of the argument concerning the hospital and then the police. Its easy to be wise after the event or even halfway through so maybe the police and CPS should have retracted their warrant before they did.

Whatever your views the important thing is to reunite this little boy with his parents and get him to Prague ASAP. And hope Southampton General were/are wrong that the proton treatment wont have an effect on him and it does indeed cure him.
But that fee she may have made could go towards the proton treatment they so desperately want.
[quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: I can appreciate the comments made. I would hope that they wouldn't be seeking compensation but I do see Mrs. King has done an exclusive for the BBC no doubt for a fee. I am still with the damned if we do damned if we dont side of the argument concerning the hospital and then the police. Its easy to be wise after the event or even halfway through so maybe the police and CPS should have retracted their warrant before they did. Whatever your views the important thing is to reunite this little boy with his parents and get him to Prague ASAP. And hope Southampton General were/are wrong that the proton treatment wont have an effect on him and it does indeed cure him.[/p][/quote]But that fee she may have made could go towards the proton treatment they so desperately want. SLINKYBABE
  • Score: 4

2:59pm Wed 3 Sep 14

speedyuk says...

Cameron = ****!!!

slag of the services that you have ruined that are on the bare bones of their arse u arrogant man !!!!!
Cameron = ****!!! slag of the services that you have ruined that are on the bare bones of their arse u arrogant man !!!!! speedyuk
  • Score: -6

3:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

commonsence says...

Is it not true that anyone can leave any hospital in this country as long as they sign a paper to say they are discharging themselves with or without the doctors say so ? I to hope the child gets well again.
Is it not true that anyone can leave any hospital in this country as long as they sign a paper to say they are discharging themselves with or without the doctors say so ? I to hope the child gets well again. commonsence
  • Score: 1

3:56pm Wed 3 Sep 14

solomum says...

Tallship wrote:
The family should now be left alone by the media to enable them to have time with thier son.
I normally would agree with you on this, but I feel in this case, the family are grateful of media coverage. When and if the parents say they want privacy then it absolutely should be given.
[quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: The family should now be left alone by the media to enable them to have time with thier son.[/p][/quote]I normally would agree with you on this, but I feel in this case, the family are grateful of media coverage. When and if the parents say they want privacy then it absolutely should be given. solomum
  • Score: 3

4:28pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ecuk268 says...

So, after being released from custody in Madrid, they're so anxious to be reunited with their son that they drive to Seville to give a Press Conference (after speaking to their lawyer) rather than going to Malaga to see him.
So, after being released from custody in Madrid, they're so anxious to be reunited with their son that they drive to Seville to give a Press Conference (after speaking to their lawyer) rather than going to Malaga to see him. ecuk268
  • Score: 23

4:33pm Wed 3 Sep 14

espanuel says...

Linesman wrote:
David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances.

If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police?

If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done?
Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later?

The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance.

Did they not consider that their child would be missed?

Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message?

Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent.

The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action.
It is what I have been saying for the last few days but kept getting slagged down for it. Still I give up.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances. If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police? If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done? Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later? The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance. Did they not consider that their child would be missed? Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message? Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent. The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action.[/p][/quote]It is what I have been saying for the last few days but kept getting slagged down for it. Still I give up. espanuel
  • Score: 5

4:35pm Wed 3 Sep 14

speedyuk says...

This government sums old hag T may would have jumped on the police if the child had died and nothing was done damed if they do damed if they don't this government hates police end of
This government sums old hag T may would have jumped on the police if the child had died and nothing was done damed if they do damed if they don't this government hates police end of speedyuk
  • Score: 3

4:39pm Wed 3 Sep 14

speedyuk says...

speedyuk wrote:
This government sums old hag T may would have jumped on the police if the child had died and nothing was done damed if they do damed if they don't this government hates police end of
should say sucks not sums
[quote][p][bold]speedyuk[/bold] wrote: This government sums old hag T may would have jumped on the police if the child had died and nothing was done damed if they do damed if they don't this government hates police end of[/p][/quote]should say sucks not sums speedyuk
  • Score: -2

4:40pm Wed 3 Sep 14

speedyuk says...

Lordcem wrote:
The Prime Minister is absolutely right in condemning the actions of the authorities that took such extraordinary decisions in this case. The officer who instigated this farcical turn of events should be forced out of his job. He is obviously not fit for the position he holds and he not only acted against the parents but he has actually brought the police in this country into disrepute if not a laughing stock. Strangely the police made sure the identities and photographs of this family were splattered all over the media in several countries. I say strangely because normally the police are very reluctant to publicise real criminals' photographs. Very odd behaviour indeed don't you think? I hope this blameless family receive a large amount of compensation for their false arrest and imprisonment although no amount of money could really make up for what they suffered.
you dick !!!

The officer found a very sick child should be praised go hug a tree do gooder
[quote][p][bold]Lordcem[/bold] wrote: The Prime Minister is absolutely right in condemning the actions of the authorities that took such extraordinary decisions in this case. The officer who instigated this farcical turn of events should be forced out of his job. He is obviously not fit for the position he holds and he not only acted against the parents but he has actually brought the police in this country into disrepute if not a laughing stock. Strangely the police made sure the identities and photographs of this family were splattered all over the media in several countries. I say strangely because normally the police are very reluctant to publicise real criminals' photographs. Very odd behaviour indeed don't you think? I hope this blameless family receive a large amount of compensation for their false arrest and imprisonment although no amount of money could really make up for what they suffered.[/p][/quote]you dick !!! The officer found a very sick child should be praised go hug a tree do gooder speedyuk
  • Score: 8

4:42pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Lone Ranger. says...

espanuel wrote:
Linesman wrote:
David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances.

If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police?

If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done?
Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later?

The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance.

Did they not consider that their child would be missed?

Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message?

Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent.

The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action.
It is what I have been saying for the last few days but kept getting slagged down for it. Still I give up.
Yes you are quite right you have been slagged off.
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But thats what happens on here if you dont happen to agree with a few of the strange ones ....... I suggest that you keep on with your logical and sensible postings and ignore the sad lemmings that criticise .....
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I know that i will continue and have done over the years only to be abused by Tories, UKIP and extremists .....
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But stick at it ...... Post how you feel and how you see it ..... Well Done
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances. If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police? If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done? Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later? The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance. Did they not consider that their child would be missed? Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message? Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent. The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action.[/p][/quote]It is what I have been saying for the last few days but kept getting slagged down for it. Still I give up.[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite right you have been slagged off. . But thats what happens on here if you dont happen to agree with a few of the strange ones ....... I suggest that you keep on with your logical and sensible postings and ignore the sad lemmings that criticise ..... . I know that i will continue and have done over the years only to be abused by Tories, UKIP and extremists ..... . But stick at it ...... Post how you feel and how you see it ..... Well Done Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Wed 3 Sep 14

kiz.bartlett says...

"When I just asked 'What is cancer? How did my son get it? Is there any alternatives?', straight away they said if I ask any more questions the right for me to make a decision would be taken away from me"


Am i the only one finding it hard to believe thats what happened? To keep a doctors career safe, they need to let the parents know everything to an extent they can make an informed decision. Including multiple meetings with consultants etc.

Ive never come across a doctor who doesnt even want you knowing what cancer is.
"When I just asked 'What is cancer? How did my son get it? Is there any alternatives?', straight away they said if I ask any more questions the right for me to make a decision would be taken away from me" Am i the only one finding it hard to believe thats what happened? To keep a doctors career safe, they need to let the parents know everything to an extent they can make an informed decision. Including multiple meetings with consultants etc. Ive never come across a doctor who doesnt even want you knowing what cancer is. kiz.bartlett
  • Score: 24

4:53pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Donald2000 says...

The wardship legal proceedings are separate from the extradition proceedings and the European Arrest Warrant and what the wardship means is that the child is effectively under the protection of the High Court and cannot be moved from Malaga Hospital without the express cionsent of the court. For which people can blame Portsmouth City Council because they obtained the order making Aysha a ward of court.

This is a cruelty which has not been widely discussed in the case. Aysha has been consigned by the High Court to Hospital and cannot be moved until the order is revoked. It seems that the High Court is yet to do this and although Aysha's parents are allowed to see the child they are not allowed to remove him from the hospital because the order applies to Spain as well as the United Kingdom.

This is a very great and terrible shame for the parents, as yet again they are stopped in their wish to be proper parents to the child as they would wish and one can only hope that the High Court Order is withdrawn so that the parents can properly be with the child.
The wardship legal proceedings are separate from the extradition proceedings and the European Arrest Warrant and what the wardship means is that the child is effectively under the protection of the High Court and cannot be moved from Malaga Hospital without the express cionsent of the court. For which people can blame Portsmouth City Council because they obtained the order making Aysha a ward of court. This is a cruelty which has not been widely discussed in the case. Aysha has been consigned by the High Court to Hospital and cannot be moved until the order is revoked. It seems that the High Court is yet to do this and although Aysha's parents are allowed to see the child they are not allowed to remove him from the hospital because the order applies to Spain as well as the United Kingdom. This is a very great and terrible shame for the parents, as yet again they are stopped in their wish to be proper parents to the child as they would wish and one can only hope that the High Court Order is withdrawn so that the parents can properly be with the child. Donald2000
  • Score: -3

4:58pm Wed 3 Sep 14

funchal says...

Now Portsmouth City Council Have made Ashya a ward of court so the parents cannot take him anywhere EVERY MEMBER OF PORTSMOUTH CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE SACKED OR SUE THE COUNCIL AND BRING IT TO ITS KNEES! When is someone going to wake up to common sense?
Now Portsmouth City Council Have made Ashya a ward of court so the parents cannot take him anywhere EVERY MEMBER OF PORTSMOUTH CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE SACKED OR SUE THE COUNCIL AND BRING IT TO ITS KNEES! When is someone going to wake up to common sense? funchal
  • Score: -15

5:43pm Wed 3 Sep 14

saintsfan76 says...

This story has so many twists and turns. Obviously PCC has its reasons for not allowing the removal of Aysha from the hospital and it will be interesting to hear and read the reasons behind it. There is still much more to come from this story i believe and at centre of it all a little boy. If only the family had gone through the proper channels and process for getting him the treatment they wanted. I sense a bit of the sympathy this family had a few days ago is dwindling a bit and back towards the authorities who quite rightly have a duty of care for Aysha as with any other sick child. There are ways and means and for me snatching a sick child from a hospital isn't one of them.
This story has so many twists and turns. Obviously PCC has its reasons for not allowing the removal of Aysha from the hospital and it will be interesting to hear and read the reasons behind it. There is still much more to come from this story i believe and at centre of it all a little boy. If only the family had gone through the proper channels and process for getting him the treatment they wanted. I sense a bit of the sympathy this family had a few days ago is dwindling a bit and back towards the authorities who quite rightly have a duty of care for Aysha as with any other sick child. There are ways and means and for me snatching a sick child from a hospital isn't one of them. saintsfan76
  • Score: 23

5:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Donald2000 says...

funchal wrote:
Now Portsmouth City Council Have made Ashya a ward of court so the parents cannot take him anywhere EVERY MEMBER OF PORTSMOUTH CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE SACKED OR SUE THE COUNCIL AND BRING IT TO ITS KNEES! When is someone going to wake up to common sense?
Thank you for your posting; obviously you are someone who cares. For what it's worth, I somehow don't think that many people are going to take notice of a court order even if it does make the child a ward of court. I think the authorities know that their days are numbered. Anyway, should we not be so pleased that the child have been reunited with the parents and not so worried about what some judge has said. I wish the whole family all the best.
[quote][p][bold]funchal[/bold] wrote: Now Portsmouth City Council Have made Ashya a ward of court so the parents cannot take him anywhere EVERY MEMBER OF PORTSMOUTH CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE SACKED OR SUE THE COUNCIL AND BRING IT TO ITS KNEES! When is someone going to wake up to common sense?[/p][/quote]Thank you for your posting; obviously you are someone who cares. For what it's worth, I somehow don't think that many people are going to take notice of a court order even if it does make the child a ward of court. I think the authorities know that their days are numbered. Anyway, should we not be so pleased that the child have been reunited with the parents and not so worried about what some judge has said. I wish the whole family all the best. Donald2000
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Wed 3 Sep 14

deepheat says...

There is a huge blame culture in big organisation's like the NHS and national/local government. Passing the buck is the act of attributing another person or group with responsibility for one's own actions. So where does the buck stop, with the doctors, the parents, the council, the courts etc . At the end of the day all this blame can wait the little boy needs urgent medical care. Treatment first ethics later.
There is a huge blame culture in big organisation's like the NHS and national/local government. Passing the buck is the act of attributing another person or group with responsibility for one's own actions. So where does the buck stop, with the doctors, the parents, the council, the courts etc . At the end of the day all this blame can wait the little boy needs urgent medical care. Treatment first ethics later. deepheat
  • Score: 18

5:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.
Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 28

6:10pm Wed 3 Sep 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
Linesman wrote:
David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances.

If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police?

If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done?
Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later?

The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance.

Did they not consider that their child would be missed?

Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message?

Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent.

The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action.
It is what I have been saying for the last few days but kept getting slagged down for it. Still I give up.
Yes you are quite right you have been slagged off.
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But thats what happens on here if you dont happen to agree with a few of the strange ones ....... I suggest that you keep on with your logical and sensible postings and ignore the sad lemmings that criticise .....
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I know that i will continue and have done over the years only to be abused by Tories, UKIP and extremists .....
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But stick at it ...... Post how you feel and how you see it ..... Well Done
To true Lone, and yes espanuel you did get a slagging down but like lone said ignore them the best you can, even low I might disagree with Lone here and there he pretty good
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances. If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police? If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done? Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later? The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance. Did they not consider that their child would be missed? Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message? Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent. The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action.[/p][/quote]It is what I have been saying for the last few days but kept getting slagged down for it. Still I give up.[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite right you have been slagged off. . But thats what happens on here if you dont happen to agree with a few of the strange ones ....... I suggest that you keep on with your logical and sensible postings and ignore the sad lemmings that criticise ..... . I know that i will continue and have done over the years only to be abused by Tories, UKIP and extremists ..... . But stick at it ...... Post how you feel and how you see it ..... Well Done[/p][/quote]To true Lone, and yes espanuel you did get a slagging down but like lone said ignore them the best you can, even low I might disagree with Lone here and there he pretty good southy
  • Score: 0

6:18pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Donald2000 says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.
Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department.

In other news, shut up and go away.
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.[/p][/quote]Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department. In other news, shut up and go away. Donald2000
  • Score: -22

6:19pm Wed 3 Sep 14

southy says...

funchal wrote:
Now Portsmouth City Council Have made Ashya a ward of court so the parents cannot take him anywhere EVERY MEMBER OF PORTSMOUTH CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE SACKED OR SUE THE COUNCIL AND BRING IT TO ITS KNEES! When is someone going to wake up to common sense?
Its not so much the Council in it self, but an Government office that the Council have no control over, that opperates from the Council office, there is an appointed councillor that acts as go between, but can not over ride there decision they can only suggest.
[quote][p][bold]funchal[/bold] wrote: Now Portsmouth City Council Have made Ashya a ward of court so the parents cannot take him anywhere EVERY MEMBER OF PORTSMOUTH CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE SACKED OR SUE THE COUNCIL AND BRING IT TO ITS KNEES! When is someone going to wake up to common sense?[/p][/quote]Its not so much the Council in it self, but an Government office that the Council have no control over, that opperates from the Council office, there is an appointed councillor that acts as go between, but can not over ride there decision they can only suggest. southy
  • Score: -4

6:28pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Mischievious says...

I speak from personal experience when I tell you that SGH children's ward is filled with people who genuinely want the best for patients & their families. They afforded my family care & dignity at a time of total devastation. Those who seek to say otherwise are not speaking from 1st hand experience. The staff have done exactly what that should do when a desperately ill child is taken, unannounced, away with no notice, no care plan in place, no proper equipment provided. It doesn't matter who took him & his needs are paramount to anyone else's, family included. Having ensured his safety the warrant was withdrawn and rightly so at that point. This boys family clearly love him & are desperate for a miracle. Sadly that love may prevent them from making the right decision for their child.
What does sicken me is the politicians seizing on this in an attempt to win votes. Having personal experience of a child born severely disabled, who then sadly left us, I can only say to those politicians : shame on you.
I truly hope this story has a happy end but criticism such as I am reading if medical staff who only wang the best for him is wholly wrong.
I speak from personal experience when I tell you that SGH children's ward is filled with people who genuinely want the best for patients & their families. They afforded my family care & dignity at a time of total devastation. Those who seek to say otherwise are not speaking from 1st hand experience. The staff have done exactly what that should do when a desperately ill child is taken, unannounced, away with no notice, no care plan in place, no proper equipment provided. It doesn't matter who took him & his needs are paramount to anyone else's, family included. Having ensured his safety the warrant was withdrawn and rightly so at that point. This boys family clearly love him & are desperate for a miracle. Sadly that love may prevent them from making the right decision for their child. What does sicken me is the politicians seizing on this in an attempt to win votes. Having personal experience of a child born severely disabled, who then sadly left us, I can only say to those politicians : shame on you. I truly hope this story has a happy end but criticism such as I am reading if medical staff who only wang the best for him is wholly wrong. Mischievious
  • Score: 33

6:41pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Donald2000 wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.
Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department.

In other news, shut up and go away.
Tell it like it is I say. Just waiting for the day when nurses find a child's bed empty and not report anything only to find something very horrid has happened. This story has done its day, leave the parents to sit with their child when not spending hours and hours with a lawyer.
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.[/p][/quote]Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department. In other news, shut up and go away.[/p][/quote]Tell it like it is I say. Just waiting for the day when nurses find a child's bed empty and not report anything only to find something very horrid has happened. This story has done its day, leave the parents to sit with their child when not spending hours and hours with a lawyer. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 29

7:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

mulberry66 says...

What a mess of a situation, lets hope the focus going forward, is to ensure that all interested parties can move forward and all agree a treatment plan.
No one change change what has happened, but people can try and sort out the future

Lets hope there is an independent multi agency enquiry, which is published so everyone can learn any lessons from what went wrong let by the Chair of the Safeguarding Board
What a mess of a situation, lets hope the focus going forward, is to ensure that all interested parties can move forward and all agree a treatment plan. No one change change what has happened, but people can try and sort out the future Lets hope there is an independent multi agency enquiry, which is published so everyone can learn any lessons from what went wrong let by the Chair of the Safeguarding Board mulberry66
  • Score: 1

7:13pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Donald2000 says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.
Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department.

In other news, shut up and go away.
Tell it like it is I say. Just waiting for the day when nurses find a child's bed empty and not report anything only to find something very horrid has happened. This story has done its day, leave the parents to sit with their child when not spending hours and hours with a lawyer.
You are talking about a situation where one local authority has made the child a ward of court, the other (hospital) has told the police and yet others have informed the social services, leading to the arrest and incarceration of the parents. Which bit of your lunatic point of view do you think is more likely to be accepted by the general public?

Let's hope you don't go into a position of responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.[/p][/quote]Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department. In other news, shut up and go away.[/p][/quote]Tell it like it is I say. Just waiting for the day when nurses find a child's bed empty and not report anything only to find something very horrid has happened. This story has done its day, leave the parents to sit with their child when not spending hours and hours with a lawyer.[/p][/quote]You are talking about a situation where one local authority has made the child a ward of court, the other (hospital) has told the police and yet others have informed the social services, leading to the arrest and incarceration of the parents. Which bit of your lunatic point of view do you think is more likely to be accepted by the general public? Let's hope you don't go into a position of responsibility. Donald2000
  • Score: -14

7:20pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Joseph Public says...

kiz.bartlett wrote:
"When I just asked 'What is cancer? How did my son get it? Is there any alternatives?', straight away they said if I ask any more questions the right for me to make a decision would be taken away from me"


Am i the only one finding it hard to believe thats what happened? To keep a doctors career safe, they need to let the parents know everything to an extent they can make an informed decision. Including multiple meetings with consultants etc.

Ive never come across a doctor who doesnt even want you knowing what cancer is.
Kiz, you are right. For severely ill patients there are regular MDT (Multi-disciplinary Team) meetings where all specialities involved discuss the case and treatment. The patients/parents would be kept updated and encouraged to ask questions to clarify any issues. It beggars the imagination that the parents were threatened as stated, but I think we would all agree that it would be difficult for them to understand everything far less accept it. We don't have all the facts, and I think there is more to be disclosed yet which may then change some opinions.

Whatever the issues, we need to remember there is an innocent life at critical risk here. I'm sure we all hope and pray for his recovery.
[quote][p][bold]kiz.bartlett[/bold] wrote: "When I just asked 'What is cancer? How did my son get it? Is there any alternatives?', straight away they said if I ask any more questions the right for me to make a decision would be taken away from me" Am i the only one finding it hard to believe thats what happened? To keep a doctors career safe, they need to let the parents know everything to an extent they can make an informed decision. Including multiple meetings with consultants etc. Ive never come across a doctor who doesnt even want you knowing what cancer is.[/p][/quote]Kiz, you are right. For severely ill patients there are regular MDT (Multi-disciplinary Team) meetings where all specialities involved discuss the case and treatment. The patients/parents would be kept updated and encouraged to ask questions to clarify any issues. It beggars the imagination that the parents were threatened as stated, but I think we would all agree that it would be difficult for them to understand everything far less accept it. We don't have all the facts, and I think there is more to be disclosed yet which may then change some opinions. Whatever the issues, we need to remember there is an innocent life at critical risk here. I'm sure we all hope and pray for his recovery. Joseph Public
  • Score: 7

7:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

saintsfan76 says...

Mischievious wrote:
I speak from personal experience when I tell you that SGH children's ward is filled with people who genuinely want the best for patients & their families. They afforded my family care & dignity at a time of total devastation. Those who seek to say otherwise are not speaking from 1st hand experience. The staff have done exactly what that should do when a desperately ill child is taken, unannounced, away with no notice, no care plan in place, no proper equipment provided. It doesn't matter who took him & his needs are paramount to anyone else's, family included. Having ensured his safety the warrant was withdrawn and rightly so at that point. This boys family clearly love him & are desperate for a miracle. Sadly that love may prevent them from making the right decision for their child.
What does sicken me is the politicians seizing on this in an attempt to win votes. Having personal experience of a child born severely disabled, who then sadly left us, I can only say to those politicians : shame on you.
I truly hope this story has a happy end but criticism such as I am reading if medical staff who only wang the best for him is wholly wrong.
Thanks for posting. Some years ago my ex's daughter (13 at the time) was admitted with cancer. Thankfully she made a full recovery and that was in no small measure to the wonderful care she received. Have things changed? I doubt it very much. The aim of any hospital is to make sick children and adults better. And if they cant to make their last days as comfortable as possible with their family and friends. I cant imagine the care Aysha got was any different. Parents naturally want the best for their child but unfortunately cant always hear what they want to hear.
[quote][p][bold]Mischievious[/bold] wrote: I speak from personal experience when I tell you that SGH children's ward is filled with people who genuinely want the best for patients & their families. They afforded my family care & dignity at a time of total devastation. Those who seek to say otherwise are not speaking from 1st hand experience. The staff have done exactly what that should do when a desperately ill child is taken, unannounced, away with no notice, no care plan in place, no proper equipment provided. It doesn't matter who took him & his needs are paramount to anyone else's, family included. Having ensured his safety the warrant was withdrawn and rightly so at that point. This boys family clearly love him & are desperate for a miracle. Sadly that love may prevent them from making the right decision for their child. What does sicken me is the politicians seizing on this in an attempt to win votes. Having personal experience of a child born severely disabled, who then sadly left us, I can only say to those politicians : shame on you. I truly hope this story has a happy end but criticism such as I am reading if medical staff who only wang the best for him is wholly wrong.[/p][/quote]Thanks for posting. Some years ago my ex's daughter (13 at the time) was admitted with cancer. Thankfully she made a full recovery and that was in no small measure to the wonderful care she received. Have things changed? I doubt it very much. The aim of any hospital is to make sick children and adults better. And if they cant to make their last days as comfortable as possible with their family and friends. I cant imagine the care Aysha got was any different. Parents naturally want the best for their child but unfortunately cant always hear what they want to hear. saintsfan76
  • Score: 20

7:32pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Ronnie G says...

SLINKYBABE wrote:
saintsfan76 wrote:
I can appreciate the comments made. I would hope that they wouldn't be seeking compensation but I do see Mrs. King has done an exclusive for the BBC no doubt for a fee. I am still with the damned if we do damned if we dont side of the argument concerning the hospital and then the police. Its easy to be wise after the event or even halfway through so maybe the police and CPS should have retracted their warrant before they did.

Whatever your views the important thing is to reunite this little boy with his parents and get him to Prague ASAP. And hope Southampton General were/are wrong that the proton treatment wont have an effect on him and it does indeed cure him.
But that fee she may have made could go towards the proton treatment they so desperately want.
Maybe Mrs King is not accepting any fee.
They are clearly desperate to put the truth across...
[quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan76[/bold] wrote: I can appreciate the comments made. I would hope that they wouldn't be seeking compensation but I do see Mrs. King has done an exclusive for the BBC no doubt for a fee. I am still with the damned if we do damned if we dont side of the argument concerning the hospital and then the police. Its easy to be wise after the event or even halfway through so maybe the police and CPS should have retracted their warrant before they did. Whatever your views the important thing is to reunite this little boy with his parents and get him to Prague ASAP. And hope Southampton General were/are wrong that the proton treatment wont have an effect on him and it does indeed cure him.[/p][/quote]But that fee she may have made could go towards the proton treatment they so desperately want.[/p][/quote]Maybe Mrs King is not accepting any fee. They are clearly desperate to put the truth across... Ronnie G
  • Score: -14

8:20pm Wed 3 Sep 14

not-me says...

deepheat wrote:
There is a huge blame culture in big organisation's like the NHS and national/local government. Passing the buck is the act of attributing another person or group with responsibility for one's own actions. So where does the buck stop, with the doctors, the parents, the council, the courts etc . At the end of the day all this blame can wait the little boy needs urgent medical care. Treatment first ethics later.
Not as big as the blame culture in the general populace or the Echo comments section.
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: There is a huge blame culture in big organisation's like the NHS and national/local government. Passing the buck is the act of attributing another person or group with responsibility for one's own actions. So where does the buck stop, with the doctors, the parents, the council, the courts etc . At the end of the day all this blame can wait the little boy needs urgent medical care. Treatment first ethics later.[/p][/quote]Not as big as the blame culture in the general populace or the Echo comments section. not-me
  • Score: 5

8:42pm Wed 3 Sep 14

not-me says...

I made these comments on one of the other related stories, but I think it's worth repeating here (though the first paragraph doesn't really apply as most of the commentators on here seem to be thinking things through calmly):

There are too many people on here still commenting without knowing all of the facts, making their comments only on the basis that Mr King is the ONLY person telling the truth, or commenting based on what we know NOW.

The Police investigate missing persons. This isn't like the US TV shows where you wait 24 hours. Each missing person report is risk assessed based on the answers to certain questions asked of the person making the report. Based on the those answers, the missing person will be assessed as being high, medium, or low risk.

So lets look at what information the Police are going on at the start:

A serious ill child who has been out of surgery for about a week, has not been seen for a number of hours after being taken out on an unsupervised visit by his parents.

The seriously ill child is fed by a machine that has a battery that will need changing. Feeding should be done under medical supervision as if the tube gets dislodged, serious complications can occur. As far as the hospital are concerned there is no food with the child.

CCTV shows the parents removing their child from the hospital. The parents have not told the hospital that they are going to do this.

Further CCTV enquiries show the family leaving the country.

The hospital tell the Police that if the child is not found soon, he would be at grave risk of dying.

There you go - that's all of the information you have at this time. What do you do? I for one would think this would be a high risk missing person and that the Police should put as many resources as they can muster into finding that child - anything LESS would be negligent.

It's all well and good with all of the information you have now criticising the hospital and the Police, but keep in mind that the video showing Mr King caring for his son was released AFTER they were found, and at no point before then did the Kings or anyone else in the family contact the hospital or Police to let them know what was going on.
I made these comments on one of the other related stories, but I think it's worth repeating here (though the first paragraph doesn't really apply as most of the commentators on here seem to be thinking things through calmly): There are too many people on here still commenting without knowing all of the facts, making their comments only on the basis that Mr King is the ONLY person telling the truth, or commenting based on what we know NOW. The Police investigate missing persons. This isn't like the US TV shows where you wait 24 hours. Each missing person report is risk assessed based on the answers to certain questions asked of the person making the report. Based on the those answers, the missing person will be assessed as being high, medium, or low risk. So lets look at what information the Police are going on at the start: A serious ill child who has been out of surgery for about a week, has not been seen for a number of hours after being taken out on an unsupervised visit by his parents. The seriously ill child is fed by a machine that has a battery that will need changing. Feeding should be done under medical supervision as if the tube gets dislodged, serious complications can occur. As far as the hospital are concerned there is no food with the child. CCTV shows the parents removing their child from the hospital. The parents have not told the hospital that they are going to do this. Further CCTV enquiries show the family leaving the country. The hospital tell the Police that if the child is not found soon, he would be at grave risk of dying. There you go - that's all of the information you have at this time. What do you do? I for one would think this would be a high risk missing person and that the Police should put as many resources as they can muster into finding that child - anything LESS would be negligent. It's all well and good with all of the information you have now criticising the hospital and the Police, but keep in mind that the video showing Mr King caring for his son was released AFTER they were found, and at no point before then did the Kings or anyone else in the family contact the hospital or Police to let them know what was going on. not-me
  • Score: 16

9:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Donald2000 wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.
Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department.

In other news, shut up and go away.
How bl**dy obnoxious are you .....
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Why dont you shut up and go away . ..... we can all manage without some pumped up idiot like you trying to dictate to everyone .....
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.[/p][/quote]Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department. In other news, shut up and go away.[/p][/quote]How bl**dy obnoxious are you ..... . Why dont you shut up and go away . ..... we can all manage without some pumped up idiot like you trying to dictate to everyone ..... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 4

10:28pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Donald2000 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.
Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department.

In other news, shut up and go away.
How bl**dy obnoxious are you .....
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Why dont you shut up and go away . ..... we can all manage without some pumped up idiot like you trying to dictate to everyone .....
Oh I am sure we can also manage without some pumped up little idiot like you telling people what to think about people like me. Now get back in your own glasshouse and stop throwing stones.

You don't like it because my viewpoint is orginal and is not supportive of the authorities. Now slob off.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.[/p][/quote]Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department. In other news, shut up and go away.[/p][/quote]How bl**dy obnoxious are you ..... . Why dont you shut up and go away . ..... we can all manage without some pumped up idiot like you trying to dictate to everyone .....[/p][/quote]Oh I am sure we can also manage without some pumped up little idiot like you telling people what to think about people like me. Now get back in your own glasshouse and stop throwing stones. You don't like it because my viewpoint is orginal and is not supportive of the authorities. Now slob off. Donald2000
  • Score: -4

11:03pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Woppy1 says...

I do agree, Portsmouth council all should resign and should be banned from anything to do with the welfare of children. All police involved in the warrant,,the wardship etc should be investigated for the combative attitudes shown to a caring family, screened for their attitude towards children, sick or otherwise. All police and any other officials who sanctioned this action against ASHYA and his family should resign immediately or be fired, never to be allowed again to have any say in a childs welfare. Too late for apologies now, too much harm has been done to this family, The police commissioner who supported the police action against this family should also be made to resign.
I do agree, Portsmouth council all should resign and should be banned from anything to do with the welfare of children. All police involved in the warrant,,the wardship etc should be investigated for the combative attitudes shown to a caring family, screened for their attitude towards children, sick or otherwise. All police and any other officials who sanctioned this action against ASHYA and his family should resign immediately or be fired, never to be allowed again to have any say in a childs welfare. Too late for apologies now, too much harm has been done to this family, The police commissioner who supported the police action against this family should also be made to resign. Woppy1
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11:32pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ripple says...

not-me wrote:
I made these comments on one of the other related stories, but I think it's worth repeating here (though the first paragraph doesn't really apply as most of the commentators on here seem to be thinking things through calmly):

There are too many people on here still commenting without knowing all of the facts, making their comments only on the basis that Mr King is the ONLY person telling the truth, or commenting based on what we know NOW.

The Police investigate missing persons. This isn't like the US TV shows where you wait 24 hours. Each missing person report is risk assessed based on the answers to certain questions asked of the person making the report. Based on the those answers, the missing person will be assessed as being high, medium, or low risk.

So lets look at what information the Police are going on at the start:

A serious ill child who has been out of surgery for about a week, has not been seen for a number of hours after being taken out on an unsupervised visit by his parents.

The seriously ill child is fed by a machine that has a battery that will need changing. Feeding should be done under medical supervision as if the tube gets dislodged, serious complications can occur. As far as the hospital are concerned there is no food with the child.

CCTV shows the parents removing their child from the hospital. The parents have not told the hospital that they are going to do this.

Further CCTV enquiries show the family leaving the country.

The hospital tell the Police that if the child is not found soon, he would be at grave risk of dying.

There you go - that's all of the information you have at this time. What do you do? I for one would think this would be a high risk missing person and that the Police should put as many resources as they can muster into finding that child - anything LESS would be negligent.

It's all well and good with all of the information you have now criticising the hospital and the Police, but keep in mind that the video showing Mr King caring for his son was released AFTER they were found, and at no point before then did the Kings or anyone else in the family contact the hospital or Police to let them know what was going on.
Exactly, thank you.
[quote][p][bold]not-me[/bold] wrote: I made these comments on one of the other related stories, but I think it's worth repeating here (though the first paragraph doesn't really apply as most of the commentators on here seem to be thinking things through calmly): There are too many people on here still commenting without knowing all of the facts, making their comments only on the basis that Mr King is the ONLY person telling the truth, or commenting based on what we know NOW. The Police investigate missing persons. This isn't like the US TV shows where you wait 24 hours. Each missing person report is risk assessed based on the answers to certain questions asked of the person making the report. Based on the those answers, the missing person will be assessed as being high, medium, or low risk. So lets look at what information the Police are going on at the start: A serious ill child who has been out of surgery for about a week, has not been seen for a number of hours after being taken out on an unsupervised visit by his parents. The seriously ill child is fed by a machine that has a battery that will need changing. Feeding should be done under medical supervision as if the tube gets dislodged, serious complications can occur. As far as the hospital are concerned there is no food with the child. CCTV shows the parents removing their child from the hospital. The parents have not told the hospital that they are going to do this. Further CCTV enquiries show the family leaving the country. The hospital tell the Police that if the child is not found soon, he would be at grave risk of dying. There you go - that's all of the information you have at this time. What do you do? I for one would think this would be a high risk missing person and that the Police should put as many resources as they can muster into finding that child - anything LESS would be negligent. It's all well and good with all of the information you have now criticising the hospital and the Police, but keep in mind that the video showing Mr King caring for his son was released AFTER they were found, and at no point before then did the Kings or anyone else in the family contact the hospital or Police to let them know what was going on.[/p][/quote]Exactly, thank you. ripple
  • Score: 1

8:01am Thu 4 Sep 14

espanuel says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
Linesman wrote:
David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances.

If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police?

If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done?
Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later?

The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance.

Did they not consider that their child would be missed?

Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message?

Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent.

The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action.
It is what I have been saying for the last few days but kept getting slagged down for it. Still I give up.
Yes you are quite right you have been slagged off.
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But thats what happens on here if you dont happen to agree with a few of the strange ones ....... I suggest that you keep on with your logical and sensible postings and ignore the sad lemmings that criticise .....
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I know that i will continue and have done over the years only to be abused by Tories, UKIP and extremists .....
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But stick at it ...... Post how you feel and how you see it ..... Well Done
Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: David Cameron is quick to criticise the action taken, but does not state what he would have done in the circumstances. If he had been the authority at Southampton General Hospital, who was informed that a seriously ill five year old, was missing for a number of hours? Would he not have alerted the police? If he had been the Senior Police Officer that had received the report, what would he have done? Would he have told the hospital not to worry, as he would probably turn up sooner or later? The King family planned this action, and would have booked their ferry tickets in advance. Did they not consider that their child would be missed? Did it not cross their mind to either phone the hospital once they were on the continent and beyond the UK jurisdiction, or even ask the grandparent to relay a message? Whilst I can understand their wish to get the best possible treatment for their son, I cannot understand why they did not inform the hospital once they were on the continent. The hospital had a 'duty of care' for that young patient, and although David Cameron is no great fan of the NHS, I would have thought that he would have known that and supported their action.[/p][/quote]It is what I have been saying for the last few days but kept getting slagged down for it. Still I give up.[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite right you have been slagged off. . But thats what happens on here if you dont happen to agree with a few of the strange ones ....... I suggest that you keep on with your logical and sensible postings and ignore the sad lemmings that criticise ..... . I know that i will continue and have done over the years only to be abused by Tories, UKIP and extremists ..... . But stick at it ...... Post how you feel and how you see it ..... Well Done[/p][/quote]Thank you. espanuel
  • Score: 2

8:17am Thu 4 Sep 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Donald2000 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.
Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department.

In other news, shut up and go away.
How bl**dy obnoxious are you .....
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Why dont you shut up and go away . ..... we can all manage without some pumped up idiot like you trying to dictate to everyone .....
Oh I am sure we can also manage without some pumped up little idiot like you telling people what to think about people like me. Now get back in your own glasshouse and stop throwing stones.

You don't like it because my viewpoint is orginal and is not supportive of the authorities. Now slob off.
Have whatever viewpoint you like ....... but dont slag others off because it doesnt agree with your slanted view ....
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And schoolboy name calling !!! ..... never did help with your argument
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Beyond boring now. How many hospitals do they want to remove him from.[/p][/quote]Have you considered a career in the Diplomatic Service? I am sure you would be the pride of the department. In other news, shut up and go away.[/p][/quote]How bl**dy obnoxious are you ..... . Why dont you shut up and go away . ..... we can all manage without some pumped up idiot like you trying to dictate to everyone .....[/p][/quote]Oh I am sure we can also manage without some pumped up little idiot like you telling people what to think about people like me. Now get back in your own glasshouse and stop throwing stones. You don't like it because my viewpoint is orginal and is not supportive of the authorities. Now slob off.[/p][/quote]Have whatever viewpoint you like ....... but dont slag others off because it doesnt agree with your slanted view .... . And schoolboy name calling !!! ..... never did help with your argument Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

5:52pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Mischievious says...

Woppy1 : I have read your post with utter amazement. To quote as well known tennis player "you cannot be serious" ? If you are then truly, I worry
Woppy1 : I have read your post with utter amazement. To quote as well known tennis player "you cannot be serious" ? If you are then truly, I worry Mischievious
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