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9:30am Wednesday 7th November 2007
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LONG-awaited plans for a giant Ikea furniture superstore in Southampton were last night given an unanimous backing by councillors.
Work on the four-storey 31,500 sq m store, set to be built over 12 months on the former Pirelli site off West Quay Road, could begin as early as February.
The store, complete with 600-seat restaurant, and 891-space multi-storey car park, is likely to open until 10pm. It will create 500 jobs.
Ikea planning manger Graham Sharp said: "We are delighted. It's been a long slog. It's taken two years of preparation to get to this stage and we're pleased we got full support of the councillors."
He told councillors traffic was going to grow in the city, but it was a question of making the best use of sites in the city.
The Pirelli site was the best available because an out-of-town plot would not get planning consent, he said. An earlier plan for Millbrook was withdraw.
Planning panel chairman Councillor John Slade said the store would be a "boost for retail" that would help push Southampton back up the national shopping league after slipping to ninth.
Speaking after the meeting, Cabinet member for environment and transport Councillor Gavin Dick added: "Ikea will be a draw not just for people in Southampton but for shoppers right across the south."
Hammerson, the owners of West Quay, withdrew its opposition to the store at the 11th hour after it signed an agreement with Ikea for a walkway to its shopping centre.
Along with John Lewis, Hammerson raised doubts about Ikea's projected turnover of £55m a year.
They claimed Ikea's estimated 2.4 million shoppers - about 9,000 on a Saturday - would harm trade and clog the roads. John Lewis stood by its objection. Port owners ABP, had also raised concerns about traffic.
Ikea slightly raised its prediction of a 15 per cent increase in traffic to better take into account other developments and football match days.
It has agreed to widen the right turn out of Harbour Parade into West Quay Road to two lanes and add another left turn lane from Southern Road into West Quay Road. The store will have one entrance from West Quay Road. Existing bus and rail links were accepted as adequate.
The Secretary of State for Communities Hazel Blears could still call in the planning application for a public inquiry.
Good news indeed, says...
10:40pm Tue 6 Nov 07
ikea fan, no where near Pomp*y says...
10:45pm Tue 6 Nov 07
Hooray, says...
10:47pm Tue 6 Nov 07
NOT HAPPY, says...
10:49pm Tue 6 Nov 07
Mona Lisa, says...
10:56pm Tue 6 Nov 07
NOT HAPPY, says...
11:02pm Tue 6 Nov 07
Mona Lisa wrote:IM GLAD YOUR ON OUR SIDE
The people of Southampton! Who is NOT HAPPY?! Surely not has Gordon Brown moved here, talking for the people as he knows them so well!
Great news just not so sure the road system can handle it, shame it's not out of town.
Oh but who's fault is that, it can't be built there can it Gordon!!!!!
Mrs Happy, Hampshire says...
11:04pm Tue 6 Nov 07
Ted, the father, Waterside says...
11:05pm Tue 6 Nov 07
Andy, Southampton says...
11:22pm Tue 6 Nov 07
BRJ, Southampton says...
11:38pm Tue 6 Nov 07
sally goodfellow, southampton says...
11:38pm Tue 6 Nov 07
Flatpack, Southampton says...
12:03am Wed 7 Nov 07
NOT HAPPY wrote:Why does every story have to get hijacked by those boring, stuck-records bleating on about bloody ice-rinks? You are in the minority; we don't want an ice-rink, we don't need an ice-rink and we don't want to hear you harping on about bloody ice-rinks all the time. Get the message? If it was a popular choice, and if it was commercially viable, we would have one. It's not, it isn't, live with it.
THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHAMPTON DO NOT WANT THIS IN OUR CITY THERE IS TOO MUCH CONGESTION IN SOUTHAMPTON AS IT IS WITHOUT THE MASSES FLOCKING IN IN THEIR 4 X 4S THIS CITY NEEDS THE WOW FACTOR LIKE AN ice rink
Should have gone to, Specsavers says...
12:07am Wed 7 Nov 07
NOT HAPPY wrote:"NOT HAPPY" - RTFQ. I think you'll find Ms. Lisa was actually being sarcastic! Arsewit.
Mona Lisa wrote: The people of Southampton! Who is NOT HAPPY?! Surely not has Gordon Brown moved here, talking for the people as he knows them so well! Great news just not so sure the road system can handle it, shame it's not out of town. Oh but who's fault is that, it can't be built there can it Gordon!!!!!IM GLAD YOUR ON OUR SIDE HOW CAN WE FIGHT THESE BEASTS
live local, southampton says...
12:27am Wed 7 Nov 07
DJ Red, Southampton City Centre says...
1:13am Wed 7 Nov 07
Adrian Smith, says...
3:10am Wed 7 Nov 07
John, Sydenham says...
4:33am Wed 7 Nov 07
Adrian Smith wrote:What it means is that it will create 500 unskilled, part-time, minimum wage jobs for the Eastern European economy.
"It will create 500 jobs for the local economy".
Shouldn't that read "The store will employ 500 people"?
mandy, Winchester says...
6:28am Wed 7 Nov 07
Bigtone, Poole says...
6:55am Wed 7 Nov 07
Jon Stallard, Bitterne says...
7:36am Wed 7 Nov 07
Daz, Southampton says...
7:56am Wed 7 Nov 07
Nothing changes, Southampton says...
8:05am Wed 7 Nov 07
george melrose, lordshill says...
8:10am Wed 7 Nov 07
COYR, says...
8:13am Wed 7 Nov 07
Simon Templar, Southampton says...
8:28am Wed 7 Nov 07
toxteth o'grady, ston says...
8:28am Wed 7 Nov 07
NOT HAPPY wrote:Gosport has an Ice Rink but I dont think Gosport has a wow factor do you ?????
THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHAMPTON DO NOT WANT THIS IN OUR CITY THERE IS TOO MUCH CONGESTION IN SOUTHAMPTON AS IT IS WITHOUT THE MASSES FLOCKING IN IN THEIR 4 X 4S THIS CITY NEEDS THE WOW FACTOR LIKE AN ice rink
One way system now, says...
8:50am Wed 7 Nov 07
Nick Haynes, StDenys says...
8:53am Wed 7 Nov 07
Bob, Upper Shirley says...
9:10am Wed 7 Nov 07
Emma Lewis, Southampton says...
9:18am Wed 7 Nov 07
AGOG, Sitting Pretty says...
9:25am Wed 7 Nov 07
toxteth o'grady wrote:Every time I've been to Gosport, I've Said; "Wow, What a sh*t tip....!
NOT HAPPY wrote: THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHAMPTON DO NOT WANT THIS IN OUR CITY THERE IS TOO MUCH CONGESTION IN SOUTHAMPTON AS IT IS WITHOUT THE MASSES FLOCKING IN IN THEIR 4 X 4S THIS CITY NEEDS THE WOW FACTOR LIKE AN ice rinkGosport has an Ice Rink but I dont think Gosport has a wow factor do you ?????
Nothing changes, Southampton says...
9:26am Wed 7 Nov 07
Emma Lewis wrote:All those people will be stuck in traffic and will get p!ssed off, turn round and go elsewhere so Southampton is going to lose long term. But people are so focussed on the fact they don't have to travel 3 hours to get their precious furniture they're not thinking clearly! IKEA is just hype, it *is* MFI with a different name but people believe the hype and think it's amazing. Tbh if you want tacky, cheap looking furniture in your house then that's your choice!
At long bl*ody last!!!! This will be fantastic news for the city. I am sick of making a 3hr round trip to Bristol so it will be fab to be able to just nip into town. It will also bring more people into the city centre so retailers should win all round! :O)
bob musker, city centre says...
9:34am Wed 7 Nov 07
Simon, Romsey says...
9:36am Wed 7 Nov 07
Nothing changes wrote:You haven't been to a Ikea have you.
Emma Lewis wrote: At long bl*ody last!!!! This will be fantastic news for the city. I am sick of making a 3hr round trip to Bristol so it will be fab to be able to just nip into town. It will also bring more people into the city centre so retailers should win all round! :O)All those people will be stuck in traffic and will get p!ssed off, turn round and go elsewhere so Southampton is going to lose long term. But people are so focussed on the fact they don't have to travel 3 hours to get their precious furniture they're not thinking clearly! IKEA is just hype, it *is* MFI with a different name but people believe the hype and think it's amazing. Tbh if you want tacky, cheap looking furniture in your house then that's your choice!
Nothing changes, Southampton says...
9:59am Wed 7 Nov 07
Caz, Bitterne Park says...
10:15am Wed 7 Nov 07
Roger, Bitterne Park says...
10:37am Wed 7 Nov 07
Two-quid an hour, says...
10:45am Wed 7 Nov 07
Roger wrote:And people will still be 'able' to park in their £££ car park when the Ikea car park is full. So even if people don't shop in their tenants' shops, the landlord of West Quay will still make some money.
I find it amusing that Hammerson, the owners of West Quay, withdrew their objection to the development after IKEA signed a deal to construct a walkway between the two. What happened to the objection because of too much traffic? They obviously meant too much traffic away from them!
Sue Bench, Winchester says...
10:58am Wed 7 Nov 07
shopper, southampton says...
11:02am Wed 7 Nov 07
Flatpack wrote:well if the ice rink keeps comming up then the people want one!!!!
NOT HAPPY wrote: THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHAMPTON DO NOT WANT THIS IN OUR CITY THERE IS TOO MUCH CONGESTION IN SOUTHAMPTON AS IT IS WITHOUT THE MASSES FLOCKING IN IN THEIR 4 X 4S THIS CITY NEEDS THE WOW FACTOR LIKE AN ice rinkWhy does every story have to get hijacked by those boring, stuck-records bleating on about bloody ice-rinks? You are in the minority; we don\'t want an ice-rink, we don\'t need an ice-rink and we don\'t want to hear you harping on about bloody ice-rinks all the time. Get the message? If it was a popular choice, and if it was commercially viable, we would have one. It\'s not, it isn\'t, live with it. Anyhoo...I\'m sure there are reasons why Ikea isn\'t being built out of town. A previous poster mentioned about planning regs. meant that it had to be centrally located. Not sure. The wife will be pleased with Ikea being built, but I\'m yet to be convinced about the parking and congestion issue. I have heard plausible arguments about Ikea being open late, 7 days a week etc, in the hope that shoppers won\'t all flock on a Saturday morning, but there\'s nowt as queer as folk, and I bet they turn up in their droves. Likewise, the calls for park & drive (sensible idea, but where do you put it) and suggestions that the store is centrally located so that shoppers from far afield can catch the train, are impractical, unless you\'re just buying meatballs and not a flat-pack kitchen. I\'m pleased Ikea is coming; boost for the local economy and profile. Am happy to reserve judgement on the traffic until it\'s built. Surely the planners and Ikea have taken this into consideration. Here\'s hoping...
Simon, Romsey says...
11:11am Wed 7 Nov 07
Nothing changes wrote:Actually.. i don't think you can.
"You haven't been to a Ikea have you. Its cheap... certainly not tacky. Have a look. You'll be amazed." Yeah I have actually! It's ok, nothing special though. It's mad, it's like IKEA is a religion or cult or something. If peoples lives are so empty this is the highlight of it then fair play to you. Once IKEA is more widespread in the UK and becomes the norm like MFI or B&Q then things will change. But you do realise you can get the same 'level' of furniture from places already in Southampton or nearby.
Ian, Southampton says...
11:16am Wed 7 Nov 07
Backhanded compliments, says...
11:16am Wed 7 Nov 07
Actually.. i don't think you can.
Why else do you think the majority of people have stated that Ikea is a good thing for Southampton?
John, Southampton says...
11:22am Wed 7 Nov 07
Simon, Romsey says...
11:22am Wed 7 Nov 07
Ian wrote:If you don't like it... simple solution is move.
Well, well, this has got to be the most ludicrous decision this council have made since the siting of the new football stadium. Goodbye any chance of getting anywhere in the city on a Saturday, especially if the football is on. We should be trying to reduce the amount of traffic in the city - not increasing it. All we'll get now is a non moving stream of 4x4s and vans on roads that are barely able to manage the current levels of traffic. That coupled with a riduclously underpriced car park for west quay means that everyone in Southampton, and the surrounding country, can come and spend a day in the city making life miserable for the residents - why not that would be fun! Totally insane
Lynda, Southampton says...
11:24am Wed 7 Nov 07
Nigel Wakefield, Southampton says...
11:42am Wed 7 Nov 07
Alpine Saint, says...
11:59am Wed 7 Nov 07
Alpine Saint, Austria says...
12:08pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Prowler, C/F says...
12:10pm Wed 7 Nov 07
steve, Bitterne says...
12:47pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Adrian Smith wrote:Should that not be 500 jobs for immigrants, get the lazy sods off of incapacity benefit instead. Also all those people moanning about the location have a go at the Goverment, the store always want to go further out of town but some idiot in the civil service decided that it should be in the centre of town thus not being prejudice against those only having local transport to use. How the hell is someone using the bus going to carry a flat pack kitchen or we will have special Ikea buses. The location is not good but at least its here and not in Portsmouth.
\\\"It will create 500 jobs for the local economy\\\". Shouldn\\\'t that read \\\"The store will employ 500 people\\\"?
Paul Redknapp-French, P*rtsmouth says...
12:54pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Paul Redknapp-French, P*rtsmouth says...
12:55pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Micheal West, Southampotn says...
1:07pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Rob, UK says...
1:16pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Micheal West wrote:I can assure you that it won't be 500 Mcjobs, they won't be unskilled jobs, training and development of co-workers is paramount to the success of the company.
Great! another eye-sore in Southampton, or should that be i(kea)sore. And 500 mcjobs to go with it, Can't wait.
Banker, says...
1:28pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Kendo Nagasaki, World of Sport says...
1:37pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Daz wrote:500 jobs that enthusiastic willing hard working Eastern European people are happy to do as they won't be taken by lazy, low life, chav sponging southerners
Absolutely absurb ! What a crazy decision one moment the council are trying to stop people from using thier vehicle in the town centre the next minute a flat pack haven that needs larger vehicles to get the purchases home! I suppose they want to get all excited about the fact they have "created" 500 jobs ? 500 minimum wage jobs which will probably attrach even more eastern european labour into the already densely over populated area. I also understand that Ikea have to put in another lane exiting from the site ? Um, how ? where ? Are they going to get rid of (a) the central reservation which may give enough room for half a lane ? or (b) get rid of the service road to West Quay Industrial estate ? This city is already at almost gridlock during the weekends and many other week during the year. The amazing thing is that this is still technically an "out of town" development. If you take a look at the local plan in the civic, i believe that the "town centre" falls short of the Pirelli site, thus more proof that this could have been sited at Millbrook!. IMHO this seems like another short sighted desicion by SS councilors full of self importance and desperate to have thier names in the history book of the "councillors that changed the look of Southampton". Maybe thier next move will be to put a tesco express in the middle of the common !!!
John Westwood smells, Southampton says...
1:43pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Paul Redknapp-French wrote:Go and shop at The Tricorn! At least in The Championship we don't have to put up with you low life pikey chavs trashing our city each year
Brilliant news. I will start with 5 plates of meatballs, then build up over time to perhaps 6 or 7. I am so happy!!!
Sten Sationalism, says...
1:50pm Wed 7 Nov 07
John Westwood smells wrote:That's true. We have our own low life pikey chavs to do it on their behalf. Seriously, idiot, does football have to come into everything? What a clown
Paul Redknapp-French wrote:Go and shop at
Brilliant news. I will start with 5 plates of meatballs, then build up
over time to perhaps 6 or 7. I am so happy!!!
The Tricorn! At least in The Championship we don't have to put up with
you low life pikey chavs trashing our city each year
PokerPlayer, Southampton says...
1:52pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Reader, Southampton says...
2:05pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Banker wrote:Get the bus. Get the train.
Brilliant. Goodbye, last remaining hopes of ever being able to drive through Southampton, or find a parking space. Time to relocate, methinks
Jenny, Netley Abbey says...
2:14pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Banker, says...
2:16pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Reader wrote:*sigh* stock responses, eh. Where would we be without them?
Banker wrote:Get the bus. Get the train. Why do you all have to
Brilliant. Goodbye, last remaining hopes of ever being able to drive
through Southampton, or find a parking space. Time to relocate,
methinks
drive through Southampton?
Can't you lazy gits drive around Southampton instead?
Waiting, says...
2:32pm Wed 7 Nov 07
wooohoo, soton says...
2:40pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Richard Knox, Southampton says...
2:45pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Reader, Southampton says...
2:48pm Wed 7 Nov 07
GL, Hants says...
3:02pm Wed 7 Nov 07
GL, Hants says...
3:12pm Wed 7 Nov 07
mo, soton says...
3:28pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Shopper, Romsey says...
3:30pm Wed 7 Nov 07
mo wrote:Yes... those times are called "rush hour".
Lets see how the Ikea shoppers enjoy it when *they* are the ones who are stuck trying to come out of the junction for ages and also stuck for ages on the way home. In town there are already soem fairly long waits to get onto Millbrook/West Quay road at certain points (especially the one into the retail aprt/mcdonalds) so I can only imagine this will make it miels worse.
Gump, says...
3:31pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Jenny wrote:Oh do f**k off. Get the message love, we don't need or want one. Stop banging on about bloody ice-rinks.
An Ikea in Southampton is great news, now how's about an Ice Rink?
Flatpack, says...
3:40pm Wed 7 Nov 07
shopper wrote:Missed the point entirely. "The People" aren't bringing it up, it's a small handful of bores who can't accept that they're the only one's interested, and that it isn't commercially viable.
Flatpack wrote:well if the ice rink keeps comming up then the people want one!!!!NOT HAPPY wrote: THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHAMPTON DO NOT WANT THIS IN OUR CITY THERE IS TOO MUCH CONGESTION IN SOUTHAMPTON AS IT IS WITHOUT THE MASSES FLOCKING IN IN THEIR 4 X 4S THIS CITY NEEDS THE WOW FACTOR LIKE AN ice rinkWhy does every story have to get hijacked by those boring, stuck-records bleating on about bloody ice-rinks? You are in the minority; we don\'t want an ice-rink, we don\'t need an ice-rink and we don\'t want to hear you harping on about bloody ice-rinks all the time. Get the message? If it was a popular choice, and if it was commercially viable, we would have one. It\'s not, it isn\'t, live with it. Anyhoo...I\'m sure there are reasons why Ikea isn\'t being built out of town. A previous poster mentioned about planning regs. meant that it had to be centrally located. Not sure. The wife will be pleased with Ikea being built, but I\'m yet to be convinced about the parking and congestion issue. I have heard plausible arguments about Ikea being open late, 7 days a week etc, in the hope that shoppers won\'t all flock on a Saturday morning, but there\'s nowt as queer as folk, and I bet they turn up in their droves. Likewise, the calls for park & drive (sensible idea, but where do you put it) and suggestions that the store is centrally located so that shoppers from far afield can catch the train, are impractical, unless you\'re just buying meatballs and not a flat-pack kitchen. I\'m pleased Ikea is coming; boost for the local economy and profile. Am happy to reserve judgement on the traffic until it\'s built. Surely the planners and Ikea have taken this into consideration. Here\'s hoping...
Dr Stranglelove, says...
3:48pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Shopper wrote:'rush hour'? all day on a Saturday and Sunday I don't think so. Oh but it doesn't affect you does it as you live in Romsey.
mo wrote: Lets see how the Ikea shoppers enjoy it when *they* are the ones who are stuck trying to come out of the junction for ages and also stuck for ages on the way home. In town there are already soem fairly long waits to get onto Millbrook/West Quay road at certain points (especially the one into the retail aprt/mcdonalds) so I can only imagine this will make it miels worse.Yes... those times are called \"rush hour\". Will happen everyday, no matter if Ikea is there or not.
jimbo, Southampton says...
4:07pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Shopper, Romsey says...
4:13pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Dr Stranglelove wrote:ALL day on a Saturday and ALL day Sunday?
A Shopper wrote:\'rush hour\'? all day on a Saturday and Sunday I don\'t think so. Oh but it doesn\'t affect you does it as you live in Romsey.mo wrote: Lets see how the Ikea shoppers enjoy it when *they* are the ones who are stuck trying to come out of the junction for ages and also stuck for ages on the way home. In town there are already soem fairly long waits to get onto Millbrook/West Quay road at certain points (especially the one into the retail aprt/mcdonalds) so I can only imagine this will make it miels worse.Yes... those times are called \\\"rush hour\\\". Will happen everyday, no matter if Ikea is there or not.
Fred, Bristol says...
4:38pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Soho Saint, Southampton says...
4:41pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Reader, Romsey says...
4:51pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Dan the Man, Shirley says...
4:53pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Duck Man, Totton says...
4:58pm Wed 7 Nov 07
COYR wrote:Fantastic - it's now going to take an hour to get out of West Quay on a good day. Can't wait to buy cheap furniture which falls apart and eat some 99p non-meat meatballs.
never mind Ikea, what about more strip clubs and brothels?
Simon, says...
5:03pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Paul Redknapp-French, P*rtsmouth says...
5:14pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Duck Man wrote:What are you talking about, non-meat meatballs?? The meatballs are very meaty, as meaty as meaty meatballs should be.
COYR wrote: never mind Ikea, what about more strip clubs and brothels?Fantastic - it's now going to take an hour to get out of West Quay on a good day. Can't wait to buy cheap furniture which falls apart and eat some 99p non-meat meatballs.
Richie, Southampton says...
5:18pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Richie, Southampton says...
5:19pm Wed 7 Nov 07
mo, soton says...
5:21pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Shopper, Romsey says...
5:25pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Shopper, Romsey says...
5:27pm Wed 7 Nov 07
mo wrote:Ah.. we're getting somewhere now.
There might not be traffic ALL DAY on Saturday and Sunday but there is for large parts of the day (i.e when most people are trying to go shopping) Secondly, we are a growing city and traffic will get worse but Ikea alone will probably add more traffic when it opens than we would have gotten naturally over a very large number of years. The sudden inflxu of peopel from Outside of the city (yes, peopel from Pompey!) will bring the roads to a grinding halt in some parts of town.
Sir Mix-A-Lot, Southampton says...
5:30pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Mona Lisa, UK says...
5:31pm Wed 7 Nov 07
John wrote:Yes and right next to where they all come in ...... the coach station!!!
Adrian Smith wrote:What it means is that it will create 500 unskilled, part-time, minimum wage jobs for the Eastern European economy.
"It will create 500 jobs for the local economy".
Shouldn't that read "The store will employ 500 people"?
Gaz, Southampton says...
5:44pm Wed 7 Nov 07
David, Southampton says...
5:50pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Shopper wrote:"A Shopper" - you're wrong, but I wouldn;t expect you to admit it judging from your aloofness, nor would I expect you to actually know what the traffic is like in So'ton ALL day, given that you don't actually live there.
Dr Stranglelove wrote:ALL day on a Saturday and ALL day Sunday? Really? ALL day? And yes it does affect me... i actually prefer shopping in Southampton than portsmouth, salisbury or bournemouth! But i've yet to encounter gridlock roads ALL day on Saturday and ALL day on Sundays.A Shopper wrote:\'rush hour\'? all day on a Saturday and Sunday I don\'t think so. Oh but it doesn\'t affect you does it as you live in Romsey.mo wrote: Lets see how the Ikea shoppers enjoy it when *they* are the ones who are stuck trying to come out of the junction for ages and also stuck for ages on the way home. In town there are already soem fairly long waits to get onto Millbrook/West Quay road at certain points (especially the one into the retail aprt/mcdonalds) so I can only imagine this will make it miels worse.Yes... those times are called \\\"rush hour\\\". Will happen everyday, no matter if Ikea is there or not.
SummerLoving, Southampton says...
5:52pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Top, says...
5:54pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Gaz wrote:Well said that man.
Great news about IKEA !!!! NOW lets have a PARK & RIDE and Bus Station. If winchester (P&R/ Bus station) & Eastleigh (Bus Station) can do it Then Southampton can !! may attract even more shoppers etc with a decent Public transport system and cut city congestion.
Incredulous, says...
6:02pm Wed 7 Nov 07
jimbo wrote:Don't hold your breath Jimbo. Hardly a qualified endorsement though, having never tried. To be fair, your not missing much - guess that's why it's not that popular?! Ha! I really can't think of a more extravagent suggestion and waste of money than to build a ruddy great ice-rink that doesn't get used - but does a lovely cream-tea!! You've got to be joking! If you want a coffee, go to Starbucks! There are plenty of decent, family, safe social opportunities in this city; bowling, cinema, restaurants, swimming, art gallery, library, museums, parks, shops, theatre, cafes, city walks (views included). An icerink is not needed, commercially viable nor has it generated sufficient interest to be realistic.
The permanent ice rink will happen! The Council are set on it. I can't say I am into skating, having never tried, but I am sure it will have some nice cafes with some nice views and decent family safe social opportunities. Much needed in this city.
Ricardo, Here says...
6:07pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Top wrote:The way people keep carping on, you'd think Southampton was completely bereft of public transport! In fact, bus services are being cut back mainly becuase people a)dont use them, b) free pensioner travel is making the services unprofitable, and c) the council wont stump up the cash.
Gaz wrote:Well said that man.
Great news about IKEA !!!! NOW lets have a PARK & RIDE and Bus Station. If winchester (P&R/ Bus station) & Eastleigh (Bus Station) can do it Then Southampton can !! may attract even more shoppers etc with a decent Public transport system and cut city congestion.
Carp, Southampton says...
6:27pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Ricardo wrote:You're a goddam genius! Hang on, no you're not....
Top wrote:The way people keep carping on, you'd think Southampton was completely bereft of public transport! In fact, bus services are being cut back mainly becuase people a)dont use them, b) free pensioner travel is making the services unprofitable, and c) the council wont stump up the cash. Perhaps if people used these services themselves, instead of expecting others to do so, things might get better! Besides, how are ikea shoppers, laden with heavy flat pack furniture, expected to use the bus to get their wardrobe home?!? Re Park and Ride, forget bus-based park and ride, think park and rail. Use car park capacity at Southampton Airport Parkway (car parks, which are going to be expanded soon anyway, will be less-utilised at weekends when there are few commuters). One 5 minute train journey later and hey presto, you're at west quay. Going home, 5 minutes later and hey presto, you re at the car, ready to hit the M27! And all this using existing resources!Gaz wrote: Great news about IKEA !!!! NOW lets have a PARK & RIDE and Bus Station. If winchester (P&R/ Bus station) & Eastleigh (Bus Station) can do it Then Southampton can !! may attract even more shoppers etc with a decent Public transport system and cut city congestion.Well said that man.
wontee, soton says...
6:46pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Ricardo, Here says...
7:02pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Carp wrote:Some of your points are good. Some of Southampton's bus services are not up to standard, but I point to the Uni-Link network as an example of an award-winning service that already exists. Prices on most other routes are actually not that bad compared to some otehr cities. Additionally I dont see how the local rail network, with the exception of the Portsmouth-Cardiff FGW route, can be described as being inadequate.
Ricardo wrote:You\'re a goddam genius! Hang on, no you\'re not....
Top wrote:The way people keep carping on, you\'d think Southampton was completely bereft of public transport! In fact, bus services are being cut back mainly becuase people a)dont use them, b) free pensioner travel is making the services unprofitable, and c) the council wont stump up the cash. Perhaps if people used these services themselves, instead of expecting others to do so, things might get better! Besides, how are ikea shoppers, laden with heavy flat pack furniture, expected to use the bus to get their wardrobe home?!? Re Park and Ride, forget bus-based park and ride, think park and rail. Use car park capacity at Southampton Airport Parkway (car parks, which are going to be expanded soon anyway, will be less-utilised at weekends when there are few commuters). One 5 minute train journey later and hey presto, you\'re at west quay. Going home, 5 minutes later and hey presto, you re at the car, ready to hit the M27! And all this using existing resources!Gaz wrote: Great news about IKEA !!!! NOW lets have a PARK & RIDE and Bus Station. If winchester (P&R/ Bus station) & Eastleigh (Bus Station) can do it Then Southampton can !! may attract even more shoppers etc with a decent Public transport system and cut city congestion.Well said that man.
1. People don\'t use public transport because it\'s expensive, over-crowded, unreliable, dirty, inconvenient etc.
2. Free pensioner travel isn\'t bankrupting bus companies! Buses aren\'t full up with the blue-rinse brigade such that no-one else can get on them. No-one else is using them anyway (see 1), it\'s just the old-timers using the buses because it\'s free.
How are Ikea shoppers laden with flatpack furniture expected to get the train then?
Regadless, if the public transport improved first, people would use it. It won\'t work the other way round while there is a cheaper, more convenient option i.e. car. People aren\'t going to inconvenience themselves in the vain hope that the council will suddenly notice the increased usage and increase the funding. The council, govt., bus and train companies have to be more proactive.
Park & Ride, Park & Rail - both good ideas. Ikea doesn\'t come into it. It\'s the same argument if I went to John Lewis to buy a TV, or Argos to buy a shelf unit - I\'m going to drive, because it\'s impractical to get it on the bus or train. Park & Ride etc could work for most people on most journeys into Southampton.
Carp, says...
7:37pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Ricardo wrote:Interesting reading. I do maintain that the cost of bus travel is expensive; increasing costs due to diminishing customers? I admit to having little experience elsewhere to compare, but is that entirely relevent? It's still expensive.
Carp wrote:Some of your points are good. Some of Southampton's bus services are not up to standard, but I point to the Uni-Link network as an example of an award-winning service that already exists. Prices on most other routes are actually not that bad compared to some otehr cities. Additionally I dont see how the local rail network, with the exception of the Portsmouth-Cardiff FGW route, can be described as being inadequate. Re point 2, free pensioner travel IS causing bus companies significant problems. Local authorities are failing to recompense bus operators to "sustainable" levels for free pensioner travel, consequently less profitable/ unprofitable routes are being dropped. Additionally, on some routes, free pensioner travel is creating a squeeze on capacity for fare-paying customers. As far as people with heavy items goes, I wouldnt really expect them to get the train either. Admittedly I didnt make that very clear. However, taht said, a decent regional-type train can carry a decent amount of baggage or other items that you'd struggle to get on a bus.... However what proportion of shoppers on a typical weekend are buying something so huge they cant carry it? Most probably less than 50%, possibly under 25%.....leaving a remaining 50-75% carrying no more than clothes or light goods who could quite easily use PT. As far as park and ride goes, I would suggest park and rail from Southampton Airport because it provides a much better solution that is available immediately, using existing resources that would be under-utilised at weekends and outside the commuter peak. All that would be needed would be marketing, promotion and a limited number of fairly small measures to make a very viable solution, with none of the setup costs, assets or infrastructure needed for a new build bus-based park and ride....Ricardo wrote:You\'re a goddam genius! Hang on, no you\'re not.... 1. People don\'t use public transport because it\'s expensive, over-crowded, unreliable, dirty, inconvenient etc. 2. Free pensioner travel isn\'t bankrupting bus companies! Buses aren\'t full up with the blue-rinse brigade such that no-one else can get on them. No-one else is using them anyway (see 1), it\'s just the old-timers using the buses because it\'s free. How are Ikea shoppers laden with flatpack furniture expected to get the train then? Regadless, if the public transport improved first, people would use it. It won\'t work the other way round while there is a cheaper, more convenient option i.e. car. People aren\'t going to inconvenience themselves in the vain hope that the council will suddenly notice the increased usage and increase the funding. The council, govt., bus and train companies have to be more proactive. Park & Ride, Park & Rail - both good ideas. Ikea doesn\'t come into it. It\'s the same argument if I went to John Lewis to buy a TV, or Argos to buy a shelf unit - I\'m going to drive, because it\'s impractical to get it on the bus or train. Park & Ride etc could work for most people on most journeys into Southampton.Top wrote:The way people keep carping on, you\'d think Southampton was completely bereft of public transport! In fact, bus services are being cut back mainly becuase people a)dont use them, b) free pensioner travel is making the services unprofitable, and c) the council wont stump up the cash. Perhaps if people used these services themselves, instead of expecting others to do so, things might get better! Besides, how are ikea shoppers, laden with heavy flat pack furniture, expected to use the bus to get their wardrobe home?!? Re Park and Ride, forget bus-based park and ride, think park and rail. Use car park capacity at Southampton Airport Parkway (car parks, which are going to be expanded soon anyway, will be less-utilised at weekends when there are few commuters). One 5 minute train journey later and hey presto, you\'re at west quay. Going home, 5 minutes later and hey presto, you re at the car, ready to hit the M27! And all this using existing resources!Gaz wrote: Great news about IKEA !!!! NOW lets have a PARK & RIDE and Bus Station. If winchester (P&R/ Bus station) & Eastleigh (Bus Station) can do it Then Southampton can !! may attract even more shoppers etc with a decent Public transport system and cut city congestion.Well said that man.
mo, soton says...
7:39pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Shopper wrote:I am indifferent to the peopel of Portsmouth TBH but it gets mentioned alot here so I thought I woudl put an exclamation mark - the point is it will bring in peopel from all over the South not just more peopel who already lvie in Soton.
mo wrote:Ah.. we\'re getting somewhere now.
There might not be traffic ALL DAY on Saturday and Sunday but there is for large parts of the day (i.e when most people are trying to go shopping) Secondly, we are a growing city and traffic will get worse but Ikea alone will probably add more traffic when it opens than we would have gotten naturally over a very large number of years. The sudden inflxu of peopel from Outside of the city (yes, peopel from Pompey!) will bring the roads to a grinding halt in some parts of town.
You hate people from portsmouth.
Can we have an Ikea if we ban people from portsmouth? Will that make you happy?
shopper, southampton says...
7:47pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Andy wrote:Surely by now you must have bought everything from ikea!!!! or has it worn out already!?
For nigh on 20 years I've been going up the M3/M25 to get my furniture. All the while I've asked IKEA, when are they coming to Southampton? They've always answered that they really want to, but keep getting turned down. Well at last it's going to be here. No more long trips. Brilliant!
RT, Southampton says...
7:48pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Typical Southampton Resident, Southampton says...
8:05pm Wed 7 Nov 07
gorf, soton says...
8:11pm Wed 7 Nov 07
mo, soton says...
8:16pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Typical Southampton Resident wrote:Best post all night - you should have told the council.
How dare the council give permission for something to be built in Southampton which will attract people to the city!
All these unnecessary car journeys to Ikea by other people will cause more traffic which will affect MY car journeys.
As a Southampton resident I have a god given right to drive to the city as and when I chose and not encounter any other traffic what so ever as my journeys are necessary and cannot be made by any other means of transport as it would just not be practical.
The council should only give permission for developments in Southampton that attract no-one or better still, repel people from the city. Then I can drive my car in and around the city all day long and never encounter any traffic what so ever.
Despite the fact that the majority of the car-driving population pay their car/council tax, the roads in and around Southampton are MINE and therefore I have more right to use them than anyone else.
john, pompey says...
8:16pm Wed 7 Nov 07
MW, Southswedenhamton says...
8:45pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Moses Lawn, southampton says...
9:17pm Wed 7 Nov 07
cmen, Soton says...
9:21pm Wed 7 Nov 07
her indoors, eastleigh says...
9:33pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Sue Bench wrote:Are you a happy bunny because your husband has just keeled over or is it because IKEA is coming to the city ,if it is the former i wouldnt bother with the CPR
Could anyone please give me some advice as to how to give CPR as my husband has keeled over at the thought of his bank account dwindling rapidly when IKEA comes to Southampton? Thank goodness for city planners coming up trumps twice in as many days, first Bon Jovi, now this, I am a VERY happy bunny!!!
Dominic Higfentebulargustova
n, Vaduz, Lichenstein says...
9:47pm Wed 7 Nov 07
kim, Southampton says...
10:38pm Wed 7 Nov 07
King Mush, Woolston says...
10:51pm Wed 7 Nov 07
mo, soton says...
10:57pm Wed 7 Nov 07
bishopchris, southampton says...
11:08pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Nick Ernicker, says...
11:57pm Wed 7 Nov 07
A Shopper, Romsey says...
9:40am Thu 8 Nov 07
David wrote:I work in Romsey you idiot.
A Shopper wrote:"A Shopper" - you're wrong, but I wouldn;t expect you to admit it judging from your aloofness, nor would I expect you to actually know what the traffic is like in So'ton ALL day, given that you don't actually live there. Yes, I have seen traffic queues ALL day on a Saturday and a Sunday, particularly at Christmas, end of school holidays etc. It isn't "rush hour", as that is typically weekdays before 9am and after 5pm - the traffic is far worse in So'ton than just being isolated to thise time frames and weekdays. Get your facts straight.Dr Stranglelove wrote:ALL day on a Saturday and ALL day Sunday? Really? ALL day? And yes it does affect me... i actually prefer shopping in Southampton than portsmouth, salisbury or bournemouth! But i've yet to encounter gridlock roads ALL day on Saturday and ALL day on Sundays.A Shopper wrote:\'rush hour\'? all day on a Saturday and Sunday I don\'t think so. Oh but it doesn\'t affect you does it as you live in Romsey.mo wrote: Lets see how the Ikea shoppers enjoy it when *they* are the ones who are stuck trying to come out of the junction for ages and also stuck for ages on the way home. In town there are already soem fairly long waits to get onto Millbrook/West Quay road at certain points (especially the one into the retail aprt/mcdonalds) so I can only imagine this will make it miels worse.Yes... those times are called \\\"rush hour\\\". Will happen everyday, no matter if Ikea is there or not.
trixx, southampton says...
10:13am Thu 8 Nov 07
David, Southampton says...
10:26am Thu 8 Nov 07
A Shopper wrote:You're a bit uptight aren't you?
David wrote:I work in Romsey you idiot. I was born in Southampton General hospital 32 yrs ago and have always lived around Southampton. You get you facts straight you donut. Of course traffic is bad during christmas time.. anyone going shopping then expects it to be ... but during normal weekends there ARE NO gridlock roads ALL day on saturday and sundays. YOUR argument is faulty my friend.A Shopper wrote:"A Shopper" - you're wrong, but I wouldn;t expect you to admit it judging from your aloofness, nor would I expect you to actually know what the traffic is like in So'ton ALL day, given that you don't actually live there. Yes, I have seen traffic queues ALL day on a Saturday and a Sunday, particularly at Christmas, end of school holidays etc. It isn't "rush hour", as that is typically weekdays before 9am and after 5pm - the traffic is far worse in So'ton than just being isolated to thise time frames and weekdays. Get your facts straight.Dr Stranglelove wrote:ALL day on a Saturday and ALL day Sunday? Really? ALL day? And yes it does affect me... i actually prefer shopping in Southampton than portsmouth, salisbury or bournemouth! But i've yet to encounter gridlock roads ALL day on Saturday and ALL day on Sundays.A Shopper wrote:\'rush hour\'? all day on a Saturday and Sunday I don\'t think so. Oh but it doesn\'t affect you does it as you live in Romsey.mo wrote: Lets see how the Ikea shoppers enjoy it when *they* are the ones who are stuck trying to come out of the junction for ages and also stuck for ages on the way home. In town there are already soem fairly long waits to get onto Millbrook/West Quay road at certain points (especially the one into the retail aprt/mcdonalds) so I can only imagine this will make it miels worse.Yes... those times are called \\\"rush hour\\\". Will happen everyday, no matter if Ikea is there or not.
oh dear, says...
10:53am Thu 8 Nov 07
A Shopper, Romsey says...
10:54am Thu 8 Nov 07
Simon, Southampton says...
10:57am Thu 8 Nov 07
bishopchris wrote:So... fewer people coming to Southampton will mean less traffic right?
My, my, all this excitement about a SHOP - it really is what Southampton has been missing. I imagine the poor souls in Portsmouth and Bournemouth must be sick with envy today! When you see the traffic chaos this will bring to the city you will change your tune. The net result will end up being FEWER people coming to Southampton to do normal shopping. This is a decision high on greed, but low on foresight.
David, Southampton says...
11:03am Thu 8 Nov 07
A Shopper wrote:Oh, who cares? It doesn't matter where the hell you work pal.
So Romsey is a million miles from Southampton is it? Again you exagerrate the situation. I put where i work, not where i've been on holiday or where my nan lives. Read your own post and then decide whose "aloof". Again... you're at fault my friend.
F**k me!, says...
11:05am Thu 8 Nov 07
oh dear wrote:Wondered when the chuffing ice-rink would be mentioned again.....get a life old dear. It ain't happening.
Its a shop. Go, don't go. No one cares. Now, if it was an ice rink instead...
A Shopper, Romsey says...
11:33am Thu 8 Nov 07
David, Southampton says...
11:52am Thu 8 Nov 07
A Shopper wrote:Not all A Shopper, not all!
A bit uptight aren't we David? I'm not better than anyone, but i pity the fools that claim to be better than others. I might not live a good life like yours David, and i don't aim to win at everything. Otherwise life sucks. But then.. you're better then me.
paula parker, swaythling says...
12:44pm Thu 8 Nov 07
Lynda, Southampton says...
2:09pm Thu 8 Nov 07
paula parker wrote:So would it be free then?
i agree there is enough shops in town we need a ice rink for the younger genaration that might keep them off the streets at night.
Matt Terrell, Southampton says...
2:10pm Thu 8 Nov 07
paula parker, SWAYTHLING says...
3:14pm Thu 8 Nov 07
Ikea Rocks, says...
6:58pm Thu 8 Nov 07
Typical Southampton Resident wrote:I DON'T THINK SO SOMEHOW!!!!
How dare the council give permission for something to be built in Southampton which will attract people to the city! All these unnecessary car journeys to Ikea by other people will cause more traffic which will affect MY car journeys. As a Southampton resident I have a god given right to drive to the city as and when I chose and not encounter any other traffic what so ever as my journeys are necessary and cannot be made by any other means of transport as it would just not be practical. The council should only give permission for developments in Southampton that attract no-one or better still, repel people from the city. Then I can drive my car in and around the city all day long and never encounter any traffic what so ever. Despite the fact that the majority of the car-driving population pay their car/council tax, the roads in and around Southampton are MINE and therefore I have more right to use them than anyone else.
Icemaiden, says...
7:15pm Thu 8 Nov 07
paula parker wrote:Rowlocks.
i agree there is enough shops in town we need a ice rink for the younger genaration that might keep them off the streets at night.
Simon, Romsey says...
9:20pm Thu 8 Nov 07
Icemaiden wrote:YES... thats the answer!!
paula parker wrote: i agree there is enough shops in town we need a ice rink for the younger genaration that might keep them off the streets at night.Rowlocks. Since when did icerinks solve all of our problems? Get in the real world sweetheart. How many times has this got to be drummed in to your heads? So'ton doesn't need an icerink. NOt enough people want one, or would support it to be a commercial success. That's why we haven't got one now. It's not difficult to understand, but why do people keep banging on about icerinks still? As if they're the solution to all of life's problems. Get a grip!
Stop with the ice rink talk, Southampton says...
2:30pm Fri 9 Nov 07
craig, says...
6:18pm Fri 9 Nov 07
COYR wrote:Hear Hear!!!
never mind Ikea, what about more strip clubs and brothels?
Stoneham, says...
12:10am Sun 11 Nov 07
tom, soton says...
12:30pm Tue 13 Nov 07
And, Southampton says...
8:19am Fri 16 Nov 07
Rachel, Regents Park, Soton says...
2:10pm Mon 19 Nov 07
Sarah, Southampton says...
3:42pm Sat 19 Jan 08
DJ Red wrote:I live in Southampton and I don't think it's a bad thing at all that Ikea are coming. It will create more jobs for one, which has got to be a good thing surely? And I agree that it will be better for local people who currently have to travel miles to get to the nearest Ikea. Hopefully if people come to Ikea in Southampton, they will also visit the other shops and attractions we have to offer - thereby boosting the local economy.
This is FANTASTIC news for Southampton. As a resident of the city centre i have to say i\\\'m extremely happy that Ikea tried numerous times to open a store here and have succeeded. Its no secret that many people from the south journey to Croyden or Lakeside for their furniture. Ikea is a modern, forward looking company and the kind of iconic brand we need here, the capital of the South. Thank you City Council, for once you\\\'ve made the correct decision, hopefully soon we\\\'ll get a Nandos too, then my cup will truly runneth over!!!
michael, southampton says...
10:17am Tue 10 Jun 08
Brian B, West End says...
12:18pm Tue 12 Aug 08
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Good news, says...
10:36pm Tue 6 Nov 07