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Binmen to decide next move
7:23am Friday 23rd November 2007
Comments (47)
EASTLEIGH'S binmen are due to vote today on whether or not to take to the picket line for a third time.
As bins stand unemptied because the collectors are already four days behind in their rounds, crisis talks are continuing between Eastleigh Borough Council and unions.
Once these latest negotiations are over union chiefs will speak to the crews and hold a mass vote to decide what action should be taken next.
Unison branch secretary Dave Smith believes the talks could go either way, saying that there is a 50-50 chance of further strikes.
Mr Smith said: "Whatever happens today a decision will be made. Realistically I'd say there was a 50-50 chance of us having to strike again but lets hope we can resolve this without having to do that."
Binmen have already taken to the picket line for a total of three days following the introduction of changes to work practices by Eastleigh Borough Council.
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Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
7:49am Fri 23 Nov 07
Denzil wrote:Your intellectual capacity is rather limited to saying the same old thing. Attempt to grow a brain.
This has gone beyond a joke. These bin men are taking the mick. Sack the lot of'em and bring in the Polish.
Hiram Hackenbacker, Tracey Island says...
8:27am Fri 23 Nov 07
Denzil wrote:I have suggested the same.
This has gone beyond a joke. These bin men are taking the mick. Sack the lot of'em and bring in the Polish.
These "binmen" are writing their own suicide note. The voters in Eastleigh should press for a radical change in how how their garbage is processed. Competition, with the ability to choose your disposal company, should be available to private households, with the discount given on Council Tax.
mangobean, Eastleigh says...
8:27am Fri 23 Nov 07
As bins stand unemptied because the collectors are already four days behind in their rounds
FOUR DAYS?
You're having a laugh.
Our bin, that should have been emptied on 13 Nov, was finally emptied yesterday!
Who knows when this weeks will be emptied?
In order to "catch up", they are suspending the glass and garden waste collection!
I don't see how they will ever catch up now that the workers are going so much slower on their rounds in order to make sure they are not given any "extra tasks" when they have finished.
Put it out for tender now I say.
Another Local, Eastleigh says...
8:32am Fri 23 Nov 07
In order to "catch up", they are suspending the glass and garden waste collection!
That's what I thought - but our glass got emptied yesterday - perhaps they were rogue glass stealers though ;-)
Hiram Hackenbacker, Tracey Island says...
8:41am Fri 23 Nov 07
Another Local wrote:In Spain we have a daily collection from bins which are situated on the streets, shared by approx 10-20 villas each.
In order to "catch up", they are suspending the glass and garden waste collection!That's what I thought - but our glass got emptied yesterday - perhaps they were rogue glass stealers though ;-)
If we want to dispose of something like an old TV or furniture you just place it by the bin.
At approx 5:00am the local Council empty those bins - but just prior to that a lorry (operated by what appear to be Eastern Europeans) has already collected the other stuff. The system works quite well - with no questions asked.
united front, soton says...
8:50am Fri 23 Nov 07
Why do we make a big fuss about it, in the future they should just give them the boot.
Auntie_Ethel, says...
9:00am Fri 23 Nov 07
Brian's Brain, Fair Oak says...
9:23am Fri 23 Nov 07
Of course if it took longer than 35 hours to do the round rather than less the unions would be insisting that it's the hours worked that are important not the number of bins, so this is just hypocrisy and greed. Like Denzil says, get others in if these don't want to do it.
Hugo Z Hackenbush, says...
9:27am Fri 23 Nov 07
The only support they have is from the Old Labour / Militant Worker dinosaurs, who appear to be trapped in the '70s like characters from 'Life On Mars'.
The trend of posts is clearly swinging towards Eastleigh locals who object to this outrageous disruption.
GET BACK TO WORK. RESOLVE YOUR DIFFERENCES WITH MANAGEMENT LIKE GROWN MEN.
The rest of us manage to do this without affecting the binmen's lives, they should try the same.
united front, soton says...
10:17am Fri 23 Nov 07
Their really beginning to chesse 'everyone off' , never heard such whinging from one group....and they're supposedly men!
What about swapping these ' men ' for youth groups, may help out the public & start careers .
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
10:36am Fri 23 Nov 07
united front wrote:Yea let them intrust their working conditions to a bunch of ignoramuses. Neil pitta bread explained it all to you. But you were all to blind or stupid to understand what he said .
In situations like this they should get the public to vote to decide what happens....not the binmen making decision.
Their really beginning to chesse 'everyone off' , never heard such whinging from one group....and they're supposedly men!
What about swapping these ' men ' for youth groups, may help out the public & start careers .
united front, soton says...
10:48am Fri 23 Nov 07
When i say youth groups i mean the ones that are willing to take the chance given to them , not the average trouble making pikey . Whos neil pitta bread ?
Rufus T Firefly, says...
10:57am Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:Uninvited, NEIL EXPLAINED NOTHING, he simply trolled out his rather obsolete opinion. One side of the story, with an extremely left wing bias might I add.
united front wrote: In situations like this they should get the public to vote to decide what happens....not the binmen making decision. Their really beginning to chesse 'everyone off' , never heard such whinging from one group....and they're supposedly men! What about swapping these ' men ' for youth groups, may help out the public & start careers .Yea let them intrust their working conditions to a bunch of ignoramuses. Neil pitta bread explained it all to you. But you were all to blind or stupid to understand what he said .
According to you though, we should BLINDLY accept his point of view, without question.
Who's the stupid one, Uninvited?
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
11:01am Fri 23 Nov 07
united front wrote:Exactly whats the difference, you chastise them for things you clearly have no understanding of . You whine and whinge and you accuse them of the same . They are not whining and whinging, cos they have taken action on something that goes back years. Like i said Neil pitta bread explained it all to you, but your just all wind a Psss and come out the the usual sun reader comment.
whats the difference?! , we got ignoramuses doin the job now! Its a mans job , but the men we got doing it are pain in the ****, perfering to act like we owe them something.
When i say youth groups i mean the ones that are willing to take the chance given to them , not the average trouble making pikey . Whos neil pitta bread ?
From what i can tell the bin men will be happy to work the full hours, only if they follow all the rules eastleigh council set them . Current rounds are worked out on the rounds not having breaks and not following certain rules. To do the rounds other wise would take up to 10 to 12 hours to do . The back log has proved that . But i can go on and on about that, and i already have so has pitta, but your too ignorant or thick to get it .
Scary
Conrad, says...
11:01am Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:As you're into personal criticism Uninvited, might I add that your own grammar is nowhere near as advanced as you like to think it is.
Denzil wrote: This has gone beyond a joke. These bin men are taking the mick. Sack the lot of'em and bring in the Polish.Your intellectual capacity is rather limited to saying the same old thing. Attempt to grow a brain.
Rufus T Firefly, says...
11:05am Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:Fantastic stuff Uninvited. We don't agree with you so we're ignorant, thick or 'clearly' have no understanding. Obviously.
united front wrote: whats the difference?! , we got ignoramuses doin the job now! Its a mans job , but the men we got doing it are pain in the ****, perfering to act like we owe them something. When i say youth groups i mean the ones that are willing to take the chance given to them , not the average trouble making pikey . Whos neil pitta bread ?Exactly whats the difference, you chastise them for things you clearly have no understanding of . You whine and whinge and you accuse them of the same . They are not whining and whinging, cos they have taken action on something that goes back years. Like i said Neil pitta bread explained it all to you, but your just all wind a Psss and come out the the usual sun reader comment. From what i can tell the bin men will be happy to work the full hours, only if they follow all the rules eastleigh council set them . Current rounds are worked out on the rounds not having breaks and not following certain rules. To do the rounds other wise would take up to 10 to 12 hours to do . The back log has proved that . But i can go on and on about that, and i already have so has pitta, but your too ignorant or thick to get it . Scary
Now that IS scary.
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
11:10am Fri 23 Nov 07
Every news item, sack em, get the polish to do it etc.
Even tho i linked to polish striking for being treated like dogs, i still see exactly the same carp from the same people. Unable to hold anything resembling a debate on why and how and the ins and outs.
All i see on here is Ug Ug Ug, and people think bin men are thick ~~
Rufus T Firefly, says...
11:20am Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:You speak of debate, Uninvited;
My grammar may be nil. My common sense is in abundance. Every news item, sack em, get the polish to do it etc. Even tho i linked to polish striking for being treated like dogs, i still see exactly the same carp from the same people. Unable to hold anything resembling a debate on why and how and the ins and outs. All i see on here is Ug Ug Ug, and people think bin men are thick ~~
Your concept of debate extends only to the blind acceptance from others of your dinosaur left wing militant 'carp', as you put it.
As you say, you consider this common sense, not opinion. How DARE anyone question you?
united front, soton says...
11:25am Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:yea... you keep throwing useless insults to prove your bigger. thick?.... im not a binman fella. just giving the view of the majority in the area.
united front wrote: whats the difference?! , we got ignoramuses doin the job now! Its a mans job , but the men we got doing it are pain in the ****, perfering to act like we owe them something. When i say youth groups i mean the ones that are willing to take the chance given to them , not the average trouble making pikey . Whos neil pitta bread ?Exactly whats the difference, you chastise them for things you clearly have no understanding of . You whine and whinge and you accuse them of the same . They are not whining and whinging, cos they have taken action on something that goes back years. Like i said Neil pitta bread explained it all to you, but your just all wind a Psss and come out the the usual sun reader comment. From what i can tell the bin men will be happy to work the full hours, only if they follow all the rules eastleigh council set them . Current rounds are worked out on the rounds not having breaks and not following certain rules. To do the rounds other wise would take up to 10 to 12 hours to do . The back log has proved that . But i can go on and on about that, and i already have so has pitta, but your too ignorant or thick to get it . Scary
too much fuss over small people. lets mov on.
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
11:31am Fri 23 Nov 07
Conrad, says...
11:37am Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:Just wanting your bins emptied by the people paid to do so?
You and your friend Denzel Washingbins have not thrown any insults at all in your little crusade
Hardly a crusade.
united front, soton says...
11:41am Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:yea i have quiet a few ,why?...whats your point?
You and your friend Denzel Washingbins have not thrown any insults at all in your little crusade
taadahh, The moon says...
12:02pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Hats off to the binmen!!
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
12:04pm Fri 23 Nov 07
united front wrote:Whats my point ? jeez you really are as thick as i thought .
Uninvited wrote:yea i have quiet a few ,why?...whats your point?
You and your friend Denzel Washingbins have not thrown any insults at all in your little crusade
Conrad, says...
12:07pm Fri 23 Nov 07
taadahh wrote:Oh OK, you're right, let's give them what they want, poor little lambs.
Just give em what they want it's a rubbish (pardon the pun) job and a lot of people wouldnt want a job where they have to haul around a load of smelly cr~p!! Hats off to the binmen!!
By the way, your council tax will have to go up to pay for 'what they want'.
Still OK with being held to ransom?
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
12:19pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Conrad wrote:How will your council tax go up if the workers will do the same job but take longer over it . In fact it will cost you hundreds of thousands of pounds in extra diesel costs in having the crews work to eastleighs new regime. Because the lorries will be burning a couple of hours each per day.
taadahh wrote:Oh OK, you're right, let's give them what they want, poor little lambs.
Just give em what they want it's a rubbish (pardon the pun) job and a lot of people wouldnt want a job where they have to haul around a load of smelly cr~p!! Hats off to the binmen!!
By the way, your council tax will have to go up to pay for 'what they want'.
Still OK with being held to ransom?
If your happy with that fine. If you want to make sweeping statements, go and do some research before you post.
Ian, Turkey says...
12:21pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Hiram Hackenbacker wrote:Exactly the same here.
Another Local wrote:In Spain we have a daily collection from bins which are situated on the streets, shared by approx 10-20 villas each. If we want to dispose of something like an old TV or furniture you just place it by the bin. At approx 5:00am the local Council empty those bins - but just prior to that a lorry (operated by what appear to be Eastern Europeans) has already collected the other stuff. The system works quite well - with no questions asked.In order to "catch up", they are suspending the glass and garden waste collection!That's what I thought - but our glass got emptied yesterday - perhaps they were rogue glass stealers though ;-)
A daily collection, and they will take anything in the bin, next to the bin and will clear up anything that has spilled out or dropped.
They will also chat with people and seem happy to be in work.
Some lessons to be learnt.
united front, soton says...
12:27pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:YES.... what....is... your.... point? too much rambling son, I have insulted others...so..... whats your point clever man?
united front wrote:Whats my point ? jeez you really are as thick as i thought .Uninvited wrote: You and your friend Denzel Washingbins have not thrown any insults at all in your little crusadeyea i have quiet a few ,why?...whats your point?
Conrad, says...
12:30pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:Once again you elect to miss the point.
Conrad wrote:How will your council tax go up if the workers will do the same job but take longer over it . In fact it will cost you hundreds of thousands of pounds in extra diesel costs in having the crews work to eastleighs new regime. Because the lorries will be burning a couple of hours each per day. If your happy with that fine. If you want to make sweeping statements, go and do some research before you post.taadahh wrote: Just give em what they want it's a rubbish (pardon the pun) job and a lot of people wouldnt want a job where they have to haul around a load of smelly cr~p!! Hats off to the binmen!!Oh OK, you're right, let's give them what they want, poor little lambs. By the way, your council tax will have to go up to pay for 'what they want'. Still OK with being held to ransom?
I'm happy with that. So we're fine, yes? Great, thanks for that. I'm SO relieved I have your approval.
If I wanted to make sweeping statements, surely by definition research wouldn't be necessary?
You're not that good at this Uninvited (definitely no invitation from MENSA, that's for sure).
That's your cue to make another irrelevant and inane post.
Denzil, work says...
12:39pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:Wrong, First time I have mentioned Polish. You are clearly on your own here. Have a look back through this thread and the others, you will see you are clearly in the minority. This country is too soft on people like greedy bin men.
Denzil wrote: This has gone beyond a joke. These bin men are taking the mick. Sack the lot of'em and bring in the Polish.Your intellectual capacity is rather limited to saying the same old thing. Attempt to grow a brain.
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
1:30pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
1:32pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Conrad wrote:Hehe got to laugh. You think of your self as some sort of flame worrier. get a life mate.
Uninvited wrote:Once again you elect to miss the point.
Conrad wrote:How will your council tax go up if the workers will do the same job but take longer over it . In fact it will cost you hundreds of thousands of pounds in extra diesel costs in having the crews work to eastleighs new regime. Because the lorries will be burning a couple of hours each per day. If your happy with that fine. If you want to make sweeping statements, go and do some research before you post.taadahh wrote: Just give em what they want it's a rubbish (pardon the pun) job and a lot of people wouldnt want a job where they have to haul around a load of smelly cr~p!! Hats off to the binmen!!Oh OK, you're right, let's give them what they want, poor little lambs. By the way, your council tax will have to go up to pay for 'what they want'. Still OK with being held to ransom?
I'm happy with that. So we're fine, yes? Great, thanks for that. I'm SO relieved I have your approval.
If I wanted to make sweeping statements, surely by definition research wouldn't be necessary?
You're not that good at this Uninvited (definitely no invitation from MENSA, that's for sure).
That's your cue to make another irrelevant and inane post.
Conrad, says...
1:43pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Rufus T Firefly, says...
1:46pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
1:47pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Conrad wrote:Ah the Irony of the man ;o)
Both inane and utterly irelevant. I knew you wouldn't let me down!
Jamie Davis, Southampton says...
1:47pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Hugo Z Hackenbush wrote:The binmen actually have quite a lot of support - it's just that people like me who support them actually have to work for a living and cannot spend all day throwing pathetic insults at each other on online forums.
The binmen will be pushing their luck too far if they vote for a third wave of shirking. The only support they have is from the Old Labour / Militant Worker dinosaurs, who appear to be trapped in the \'70s like characters from \'Life On Mars\'. The trend of posts is clearly swinging towards Eastleigh locals who object to this outrageous disruption. GET BACK TO WORK. RESOLVE YOUR DIFFERENCES WITH MANAGEMENT LIKE GROWN MEN. The rest of us manage to do this without affecting the binmen\'s lives, they should try the same.
Oh, and by the way, actually wanting to stand up for yourself against the bosses and fight for some rights at work, rather than just moaning about it in the canteen is not being "trapped in the '70s" - it is you, my friend, who appear to be trapped in the '70s... the 1870s!
David, Woolston says...
1:49pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Rufus T Firefly wrote:Arsonphobia: The fear of fire?
Just out of interest, what is a flame worrier?
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
1:55pm Fri 23 Nov 07
David wrote:Ill try to get this back on track with comments i found in another news item
Rufus T Firefly wrote:Arsonphobia: The fear of fire?
Just out of interest, what is a flame worrier?
You want them to work set hours, from what i can tell they are happy to do that as long as all other rules are implemented. If your happy with them spending longer out there doing the same amount of work so be it. Your be paying higher council tax to pay for 100K plus for the increase in diesel costs.
I spoke to some bin men the other day and felt that it was a lot of pressure taken off them working a 37 hour week and following all of the rules that eastleigh implemented. The problem is eastleigh like to turn a blind eye to the rules that do not suit and the current rounds were worked out on that fact, and the current conditions.
Rounds will need to be reassessed with time and motion taking account of all the rules and breaks. Current rounds do not take any of that in to consideration. This will mean more lorries, more workers , more diesel. Costing you the tax payer millions. If that's what you want so be it. Like you said , It wont be my problem it will be yours as an eastleigh tax payer
Rufus T Firefly, says...
2:21pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:Interesting. But back on track, what is a flame worrier?
David wrote:Ill try to get this back on track with comments i found in another news item You want them to work set hours, from what i can tell they are happy to do that as long as all other rules are implemented. If your happy with them spending longer out there doing the same amount of work so be it. Your be paying higher council tax to pay for 100K plus for the increase in diesel costs. I spoke to some bin men the other day and felt that it was a lot of pressure taken off them working a 37 hour week and following all of the rules that eastleigh implemented. The problem is eastleigh like to turn a blind eye to the rules that do not suit and the current rounds were worked out on that fact, and the current conditions. Rounds will need to be reassessed with time and motion taking account of all the rules and breaks. Current rounds do not take any of that in to consideration. This will mean more lorries, more workers , more diesel. Costing you the tax payer millions. If that's what you want so be it. Like you said , It wont be my problem it will be yours as an eastleigh tax payerRufus T Firefly wrote: Just out of interest, what is a flame worrier?Arsonphobia: The fear of fire?
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
2:35pm Fri 23 Nov 07
michael jones, dorset says...
4:20pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
4:36pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
4:49pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Denzil, Romsey says...
5:03pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Uninvited wrote:Wrong again. You just can't handle more people disagree with you than agree with you. Go back to work and stop being greedy.
Same statement, different user name . Can you back up that claim ? as cash in hand is illegal . For the record out of the entire work force i know only two that have a second job and i am not sure if they are week end jobs .
Rich, says...
5:07pm Fri 23 Nov 07
quoteThis has gone beyond a joke. These bin men are taking the mick. Sack the lot of'em and bring in the Polish.
Sack Denzil and give his house to the Polish. You know it makes sense!!!!
Uninvited, Eastleigh says...
5:15pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Denzil wrote:Your right, i cant handle peoples ignorance and the fact that they have no understanding of the job and the fact that you cant run it on set hours.Like a factory pruduction line . I see a few try to explain it and it goes in one ear and out the other.
Uninvited wrote:Wrong again. You just can't handle more people disagree with you than agree with you. Go back to work and stop being greedy.
Same statement, different user name . Can you back up that claim ? as cash in hand is illegal . For the record out of the entire work force i know only two that have a second job and i am not sure if they are week end jobs .
Plus if they were that greedy, they would be striking to have the same pay as southampton bin men. Even so i would not call that being greedy, i would call it a normal living wage and then we have you guys moaning if they have second jobs . You treat bin men like dirt and you want them to go out of there way for the likes of you. The irony is southampton have a lot of polish workers and they are on more money than us .
Denzel Washingbins for president.
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Denzil, work says...
7:38am Fri 23 Nov 07