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Sudan teddy bear teacher heading home after pardon
6:20pm Monday 3rd December 2007
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BRITISH teacher Gillian Gibbons was tonight flying home to Britain after more than a week in Sudanese custody.
After speaking to the 54-year-old mother-of-two this afternoon, Foreign Secretary David Miliband welcomed president Omar al-Bashir's decision to officially pardon her today.
Mrs Gibbons was finally released into the care of the British embassy after being jailed for insulting Islam.
The dramatic move came after 48 hours of difficult negotiations between British parliamentarians Lord Ahmed of Rotherham and Baroness Warsi with officials in Khartoum.
Mr Miliband said he had spoken to Lord Ahmed and Mrs Gibbons within the last hour.
"She is in remarkably good spirits," Mr Miliband told reporters.
"She was a little overwhelmed by the amount of coverage she understood this case had received and proud of the way her family had stood up over the last week."
Mr Miliband said he wanted to thank the many diplomatic and consular staff who had helped secure her release.
Mr Miliband said UK opinion had "spanned all religions in wanting a common-sense solution to this case".
"In that context I am happy to welcome the intervention of President Bashir which has brought common-sense to bear and ensured that the welfare of Mrs Gibbons is going to be secured by her early return to the United Kingdom."
Mrs Gibbons, of Aigburth, Liverpool, was sentenced to 15 days in jail and faced deportation for allowing her class of seven-year-olds to call a class teddy bear Mohammed.
Mr Miliband said that Mrs Gibbons had displayed remarkable "steadfastness and good cheer" throughout her ordeal.
"I did say to her that it must have been very tough over the last week and she did say 'Well, it was prison but it wasn't too bad a prison' or words to that effect," he said.
"She has shown very good British grit in very difficult circumstances but I know that the most important thing for her is to get home as soon as possible and return to her family."
Mr Miliband said he hoped that people in Sudan had realised common-sense needed to prevail.
"Gillian Gibbons is a dedicated teacher who wanted to contribute something to the country of Sudan who certainly has been at worst guilty of an innocent misunderstanding and certainly intended no offence," he said.
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hmm, says...
8:37am Mon 3 Dec 07
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits me
Gnnnnn, says...
8:44am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:Yes of course jailing someone for calling a teddy bear the wrong thing is perfectly justified and just down to cultural differences which the likes of you and I could not possibly understand.
Why
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits me
an, southampton says...
9:30am Mon 3 Dec 07
Get real, Hythe says...
9:51am Mon 3 Dec 07
InThe Know, soton says...
10:19am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:Shut up you stupid bitter fool...GET A LIFE SAD-SACK.Every time you add a comment on this site it is to DIS or UPSET,,,Go & do a crossword puzzle instead. MUPPET
Why If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits me
SPLINTERS, teddy bear factory says...
10:24am Mon 3 Dec 07
George, says...
10:44am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:Be nice if everyone the world over did that, eh
Why
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits me
Lynda, Southampton says...
10:46am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:So you know all the rules and customs of every country you visit then..?
Why If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits me
Banker, says...
10:47am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:You're telling me that whenever you visit another country, your first action is to study every single last letter of the law of the land? The qu'ran doesn't prohibit naming toys after the prophet Muhammad, and since many Muslims name themselves after said prophet as a tribute, it isn't really a particularly obvious rule, now, is it?
Why
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits me
George, says...
10:48am Mon 3 Dec 07
SPLINTERS wrote:Nope. It means we'll apologise for being British, and bow to their wishes. Like we always do. Wouldn't want to offend anyone, now, would we?
Does this mean that when a muslim calls their child an english name in england we can send them to prison
Lily, Eastleigh says...
10:48am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm, says...
10:50am Mon 3 Dec 07
Banker wrote:Well anyone with a half decent understanding of the world would know this piece of common sense, if not the should of remembered what happenend last year when a French News paper published a certain cartoon character
hmm wrote:You're telling me that whenever you visit another country, your first action is to study every single last letter of the law of the land? The qu'ran doesn't prohibit naming toys after the prophet Muhammad, and since many Muslims name themselves after said prophet as a tribute, it isn't really a particularly obvious rule, now, is it?
Why
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits me
Anony-Moose, says...
11:00am Mon 3 Dec 07
Know the facts.
She wasn't there for a holiday.
She was working, and for that reason alone you would expect to read and learn a little bit of the culture and society that she has involved herself in.
Yes - i'd agree that if the was a touristand not knowing would have probably been acceptable.
But not on the grounds that she's chosen to live part of her life there.
Be reasonable people, don't just be British.
Big Boy, Hythe says...
11:02am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm, says...
11:03am Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:Wise words, take on board what this person says and dont discount it because it does't agree with what you think is correct by UK standards or you just dont understand it
Before you go jumping to the defence of this woman.
Know the facts.
She wasn't there for a holiday.
She was working, and for that reason alone you would expect to read and learn a little bit of the culture and society that she has involved herself in.
Yes - i'd agree that if the was a touristand not knowing would have probably been acceptable.
But not on the grounds that she's chosen to live part of her life there.
Be reasonable people, don't just be British.
Banker, says...
11:07am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:So if any culture chooses to arbitrarily make something minor and trivial a crime punishable by death, the rest of the world simply has to accept that? Interesting idea. Well, when the UK Muslim community as a whole decides to abandon their own laws and abide by ours in every respect, I'll be more than happy to consider this
Banker wrote:Well anyone with a half decent understanding of the
hmm wrote: WhyYou're telling me that whenever you visit another country,
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits
me
your first action is to study every single last letter of the law of
the land? The qu'ran doesn't prohibit naming toys after the prophet
Muhammad, and since many Muslims name themselves after
said prophet as a tribute, it isn't really a particularly obvious rule,
now, is it?
world would know this piece of common sense, if not the should of
remembered what happenend last year when a French News paper published
a certain cartoon character
George, says...
11:10am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:Why is only the UK that is obliged to be understanding of other cultures?
Anony-Moose wrote: Before you go jumping to theWise words, take
defence of this woman.
Know the facts.
She wasn't there for a holiday.
She was working, and for that reason alone you would expect to read and
learn a little bit of the culture and society that she has involved
herself in.
Yes - i'd agree that if the was a touristand not knowing would have
probably been acceptable.
But not on the grounds that she's chosen to live part of her life
there.
Be reasonable people, don't just be British.
on board what this person says and dont discount it because it does't
agree with what you think is correct by UK standards or you just dont
understand it
hmm, says...
11:10am Mon 3 Dec 07
Banker wrote:I didnt suggest that, I said you don't goto work in another country and expect to be above the law.
hmm wrote:So if any culture chooses to arbitrarily make something minor and trivial a crime punishable by death, the rest of the world simply has to accept that? Interesting idea. Well, when the UK Muslim community as a whole decides to abandon their own laws and abide by ours in every respect, I'll be more than happy to consider this
Banker wrote:Well anyone with a half decent understanding of the
hmm wrote: WhyYou're telling me that whenever you visit another country,
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits
me
your first action is to study every single last letter of the law of
the land? The qu'ran doesn't prohibit naming toys after the prophet
Muhammad, and since many Muslims name themselves after
said prophet as a tribute, it isn't really a particularly obvious rule,
now, is it?
world would know this piece of common sense, if not the should of
remembered what happenend last year when a French News paper published
a certain cartoon character
Gozza, Southampton says...
11:10am Mon 3 Dec 07
Islam didn't do itself any favors with this debacle.
For what it's worth, the Muslims I work with are disgusted at what happened and don't think this has anything to do with Islam.
It would be fairer to say "A small number of extremists have handed the BNP and other white supremacists a golden opportunity to criticise Islam".
Bemused, says...
11:11am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm, says...
11:11am Mon 3 Dec 07
George wrote:Pillock
hmm wrote:Why is only the UK that is obliged to be understanding of other cultures?
Anony-Moose wrote: Before you go jumping to theWise words, take
defence of this woman.
Know the facts.
She wasn't there for a holiday.
She was working, and for that reason alone you would expect to read and
learn a little bit of the culture and society that she has involved
herself in.
Yes - i'd agree that if the was a touristand not knowing would have
probably been acceptable.
But not on the grounds that she's chosen to live part of her life
there.
Be reasonable people, don't just be British.
on board what this person says and dont discount it because it does't
agree with what you think is correct by UK standards or you just dont
understand it
Anony-Moose, says...
11:15am Mon 3 Dec 07
George wrote:Because thats what this country is all about.
hmm wrote:Why is only the UK that is obliged to be understanding of other cultures?Anony-Moose wrote: Before you go jumping to the defence of this woman. Know the facts. She wasn't there for a holiday. She was working, and for that reason alone you would expect to read and learn a little bit of the culture and society that she has involved herself in. Yes - i'd agree that if the was a touristand not knowing would have probably been acceptable. But not on the grounds that she's chosen to live part of her life there. Be reasonable people, don't just be British.Wise words, take on board what this person says and dont discount it because it does't agree with what you think is correct by UK standards or you just dont understand it
Thats what makes British people British. And thats one of the good things about being British.
But that doesn't make us above another country's laws.
George, says...
11:16am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:Ad hominem? Name-calling? Really? I always thought you were above such nonsense. Ah well, thanks for the heads-up regarding your true colours. I apologise unreservedly for mistaking you for a reasonable - if slightly disagreeable - person.
George wrote:Pillock
hmm wrote:Why is only the UK that is obliged to be understanding of other cultures?
Anony-Moose wrote: Before you go jumping to theWise words, take
defence of this woman.
Know the facts.
She wasn't there for a holiday.
She was working, and for that reason alone you would expect to read and
learn a little bit of the culture and society that she has involved
herself in.
Yes - i'd agree that if the was a touristand not knowing would have
probably been acceptable.
But not on the grounds that she's chosen to live part of her life
there.
Be reasonable people, don't just be British.
on board what this person says and dont discount it because it does't
agree with what you think is correct by UK standards or you just dont
understand it
Lesson learned, says...
11:17am Mon 3 Dec 07
"Their way of doing things" may not match your expectations of civilised behaviour, or give any kind of allowance when there is a minor infraction of the letter of the law by a foreigner.
Or, if you do live there and have a half-decent job, look out for someone trying to stitch you up so that his cousin can take over your paid position.
George, says...
11:20am Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:You don't agree that crying for the execution of a human being for simply naming a teddy bear is somehow 'wrong'? Remember, this is nothing to do with the Islam faith, it's an arbitrary law made up by Sudan
George wrote:Because thats what this
hmm wrote:Why is only the UK that is obliged to beAnony-Moose wrote:Wise words, take on
Before you go jumping to the defence of this woman. Know the facts. She
wasn't there for a holiday. She was working, and for that reason alone
you would expect to read and learn a little bit of the culture and
society that she has involved herself in. Yes - i'd agree that if the
was a touristand not knowing would have probably been acceptable. But
not on the grounds that she's chosen to live part of her life there. Be
reasonable people, don't just be British.
board what this person says and dont discount it because it does't
agree with what you think is correct by UK standards or you just dont
understand it
understanding of other cultures?
country is all about.
Thats what makes British people British. And thats one of the good
things about being British.
But that doesn't make us above another country's laws.
Robert, Regent's Park, So'ton says...
11:40am Mon 3 Dec 07
And if you don't understand what has cultivated this paranoia in the Sudanese government and in vast numbers of the world's Muslims, think carefully about the deeds and words of the western "civilisations" - yes, it's the usual culprits.
Andy, Locks Heath says...
11:45am Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:And what rules are they? Where in the Quran does it say anything about who can and cannot be called Mohammed? To save you looking it up, it doesn't. This is just Anti Western hatred given an outlet, you won't find it written in any statute book governing what you can and cannot do. I'm a bit dubious about the motives of christian groups teaching moslem children but I'm not stupid enough to assume that somehow a clear tenet of sharia law has been broken. Most of what "offends" muslems comes not from the Quran, but from custom, culture and the racist hatred of those seeking power by manipulating religious sensibilities. Luckily for these clerics there are still those in the west like Hmm who aren;t aware of this.
Why
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits me
Sadaf Bakhoum, says...
12:02pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Events like this do nothing to help break down the myths behind Islam, from the comments on this site people clearly do not understand the significance of such blasphemy to the more devout of us.
Sadaf is aTroll, says...
12:07pm Mon 3 Dec 07
I think he's one of Elaine's friends.
George, says...
12:08pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:Genuine question: What is the significance? Why is naming a teddy bear after the prophet offensive, but naming ones self is not? Is it because it's an animal? I saw a member of the Muslim Council of GB the other day mention that they sell a teddy bear called Adam, who was also a prophet. What's the difference? Remember, I'm genuinely asking, not trying to provoke!
Once again, it seems that their is real problem with education - people
who go to Islamic countries, or communities in the UK need to be
properly trained so that they do not cause offence.
Events like this do nothing to help break down the myths behind Islam,
from the comments on this site people clearly do not understand the
significance of such blasphemy to the more devout of us.
mjd, winch says...
12:09pm Mon 3 Dec 07
George, says...
12:10pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf is aTroll wrote:Lol well spotted. Even if he is a troll, though, he raises an interesting point about our lack of understanding
Warning: Sadaf is a troll. Read the name outloud ".. off back home".
I think he's one of Elaine's friends.
Shoon, says...
12:10pm Mon 3 Dec 07
What a silly thing.
whonamedtheteddy?, says...
12:10pm Mon 3 Dec 07
I agree when everyone coming into the UK follows UK laws and lives their lives like UK citizens and doesn't expect a little version of the country they left for whatever reason then and only then can they expect us to allow such stupid cases.
We allowed them to live in the UK as their own countries didn't offer something that they wanted.....usually freedom......
Anon, says...
12:28pm Mon 3 Dec 07
sonlyme, teddy bear factory says...
12:33pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Bemused wrote:Yeah like thats likely to happen??
No problem abiding by the laws and customs of other counties. As long as they do the same when visiting England.
Cynical Syd, says...
12:37pm Mon 3 Dec 07
SONLY ME, teddy bear factory says...
12:38pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Libertarian, Winchester says...
12:40pm Mon 3 Dec 07
tim, brighton says...
12:43pm Mon 3 Dec 07
united front, soton says...
12:44pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Joe, Fawley says...
12:48pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Lets say if the naming of a teddy was against the custom. The children never knew that and don't you think the wanting of an execution is a little bit disproportionate to the crime, if you can call it a crime .
Life is cheap there, people go prey on a Friday then chant death straight afterwards. If anyone is insulting Islam its these people that take their religious bigotry and intolerance to the level of wanting death for such a trivial thing.
The Muslim world must be very embarrassed at this latest shenagins.
Sadaf Bakhoum, says...
1:10pm Mon 3 Dec 07
mjd wrote:You have an 'interesting' take on life my small minded friend. Do you have a shaven head and tattoos by any chance ?
No way Sadaf!! I dont see many people coming to this country taking the time to learn the intricacies of our culture. Now we have not got a culture at all. Down with multiculturism, down with religion. Without these two abominations, life would be alot easier.
Steve, Bitterne says...
1:11pm Mon 3 Dec 07
P. Dent, says...
1:15pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Michaelangelo, says...
1:18pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:Why is it small minded to not want to be constantly obliged to integrate with new cultures? Your attempt at discrediting him has failed, one cannot just say "either you embrace multiculturalism whenever told to, or you're a vile racist thug". Idiot
mjd wrote: No way Sadaf!! I dont see many peopleYou have an 'interesting' take on
coming to this country taking the time to learn the intricacies of our
culture. Now we have not got a culture at all. Down with
multiculturism, down with religion. Without these two abominations,
life would be alot easier.
life my small minded friend. Do you have a shaven head and tattoos by
any chance ?
Peter, Southampton says...
1:20pm Mon 3 Dec 07
hmm wrote:In the state of Virginia, it is illegal to tickle women. Of course you already knew this because it's commen sense, isn't it?
Banker wrote:Well anyone with a half decent understanding of the world would know this piece of common sense, if not the should of remembered what happenend last year when a French News paper published a certain cartoon character
hmm wrote:You're telling me that whenever you visit another country, your first action is to study every single last letter of the law of the land? The qu'ran doesn't prohibit naming toys after the prophet Muhammad, and since many Muslims name themselves after said prophet as a tribute, it isn't really a particularly obvious rule, now, is it?
Why
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits me
Dubya, says...
1:20pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Steve wrote:Whereas the West didn't bother waiting for it to actually run out
Islam is a nasty vile, tribal religion born of hatred of all others,
Find a Muslim and you will find trouble. And before you start saying i
am a racialist i have worked in the middle on many occations. As soon
as the oil runs out the Arabs will turn on each other
George, says...
1:21pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Peter wrote:In some parts of the UK, it's legal to kill Welshmen
hmm wrote:In the state of Virginia, it is
Banker wrote:Well anyone with a half decent understanding of the
hmm wrote: WhyYou're telling me that whenever you visit another country,
If I goto another country i play by their rules, not just when it suits
me
your first action is to study every single last letter of the law of
the land? The qu'ran doesn't prohibit naming toys after the prophet
Muhammad, and since many Muslims name themselves after
said prophet as a tribute, it isn't really a particularly obvious rule,
now, is it?
world would know this piece of common sense, if not the should of
remembered what happenend last year when a French News paper published
a certain cartoon character
illegal to tickle women. Of course you already knew this because it's
commen sense, isn't it?
united front, soton says...
1:25pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:Intresting take on life? small minded? didnt they want to kill a human being for naming a teddy bear?! the only small minded thing here are the people who stick up for the lunatics on a a power trip!.... Lets cause greif because people are too scared to say what they really feel. Jog On and stop wasting what sad little lives you have . If this is racist ,so be it, cant be arsed to hide my feelings over something as ridiculous as this.
mjd wrote: No way Sadaf!! I dont see many people coming to this country taking the time to learn the intricacies of our culture. Now we have not got a culture at all. Down with multiculturism, down with religion. Without these two abominations, life would be alot easier.You have an 'interesting' take on life my small minded friend. Do you have a shaven head and tattoos by any chance ?
Jon, Winchester says...
1:32pm Mon 3 Dec 07
I await with interest.
Peter, Southampton says...
1:38pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Jon wrote:I wonder if those disapointed know what the Koran is
I wonder if those disappointed that this teacher hasn\'t been executed can (for the reference of the rest of us) point out the exact extract from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that made her actions illegal? I await with interest.
Bible Bill, says...
1:41pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Peter wrote:It's a book that, despite being chock-full of contradictory material and creed, is the basis for an entire faith. Sound familiar?
Jon wrote:I wonder if those disapointed know what
I wonder if those disappointed that this teacher hasn\'t been executed
can (for the reference of the rest of us) point out the exact extract
from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that made her actions illegal? I
await with interest.
the Koran is
Sadaf Bakhoum, says...
1:46pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Jon wrote:.......and in this fine country you think it is acceptable to :-
I wonder if those disappointed that this teacher hasn't been executed can (for the reference of the rest of us) point out the exact extract from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that made her actions illegal?
I await with interest.
1) Lock up your elders when they cannot afford to pay council tax.
2) Allow your children to drink to excess.
3) Lampoon and disrespect your ruling family.
4) Allow child abusers to re-enter society.
....and you still say that Islam is 'in the dark ages' ?
Anony-Moose, says...
1:47pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Jon wrote:Whose saying they are disappointed?
I wonder if those disappointed that this teacher hasn't been executed can (for the reference of the rest of us) point out the exact extract from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that made her actions illegal? I await with interest.
I certainly don't want this women executed for her crime.
I'm just saying that if she should choose to work in a culture very different from ours she should have learnt a few of their customs.
But i'm glad she's coming back to the UK, she can name her teddy bears anything she likes now.
George, says...
1:50pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:1) Only a minority think this is acceptable, and short of an actual uprising, the rest of us are powerless to stop it
Jon wrote: I wonder if those disappointed that this.......and in this fine country you
teacher hasn't been executed can (for the reference of the rest of us)
point out the exact extract from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that
made her actions illegal?
I await with interest.
think it is acceptable to :-
1) Lock up your elders when they cannot afford to pay council tax.
2) Allow your children to drink to excess.
3) Lampoon and disrespect your ruling family.
4) Allow child abusers to re-enter society.
....and you still say that Islam is 'in the dark ages' ?
2) They aren't "allowed". Some lawyers made a bit of money inventing something called "human rights" and prevented us stopping these kids
3) They don't rule, they are largely a figurehead. Lampooning and disrespecting do not go hand-in-hand anyway
4) That's known as "mercy". It exists so that child abusers are not put in a position where, if caught, they would be locked up for life. If they were put in that position, they would simply kill the child post-abuse, because they would have nothing to lose by doing so, and why leave a breathing witness?
Case dismissed
George, says...
1:52pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:It's pretty obvious that if someone demands something, and does not get it, disappointment will follow. That's pretty much disappointment by definition
Jon wrote:Whose saying they are disappointed?
I wonder if those disappointed that this teacher hasn't been executed
can (for the reference of the rest of us) point out the exact extract
from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that made her actions illegal? I
await with interest.
I certainly don't want this women executed for her crime.
I'm just saying that if she should choose to work in a culture very
different from ours she should have learnt a few of their customs.
But i'm glad she's coming back to the UK, she can name her teddy bears
anything she likes now.
Anony-Moose, says...
2:00pm Mon 3 Dec 07
George wrote:Obviously he meant people on this forum George.
Anony-Moose wrote:It's pretty obvious that if someone demands something, and does not get it, disappointment will follow. That's pretty much disappointment by definitionJon wrote: I wonder if those disappointed that this teacher hasn't been executed can (for the reference of the rest of us) point out the exact extract from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that made her actions illegal? I await with interest.Whose saying they are disappointed? I certainly don't want this women executed for her crime. I'm just saying that if she should choose to work in a culture very different from ours she should have learnt a few of their customs. But i'm glad she's coming back to the UK, she can name her teddy bears anything she likes now.
I may have missed a post where the author was calling for her execution... maybe you can point it out for me.
As you say - someone can only be disappointed when the thing they demand they don't get. So please point the post out to me... I'd happily eat humble pie.
Sadaf Bakhoum, says...
2:03pm Mon 3 Dec 07
George wrote:George,
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:1) Only a minority think this is acceptable, and short of an actual uprising, the rest of us are powerless to stop it
Jon wrote: I wonder if those disappointed that this.......and in this fine country you
teacher hasn't been executed can (for the reference of the rest of us)
point out the exact extract from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that
made her actions illegal?
I await with interest.
think it is acceptable to :-
1) Lock up your elders when they cannot afford to pay council tax.
2) Allow your children to drink to excess.
3) Lampoon and disrespect your ruling family.
4) Allow child abusers to re-enter society.
....and you still say that Islam is 'in the dark ages' ?
2) They aren't "allowed". Some lawyers made a bit of money inventing something called "human rights" and prevented us stopping these kids
3) They don't rule, they are largely a figurehead. Lampooning and disrespecting do not go hand-in-hand anyway
4) That's known as "mercy". It exists so that child abusers are not put in a position where, if caught, they would be locked up for life. If they were put in that position, they would simply kill the child post-abuse, because they would have nothing to lose by doing so, and why leave a breathing witness?
Case dismissed
I don't think you have answered my questions but merely highlighted to yourself how your 'civilised' society needs to look at itself before criticising cultures it doesn't know or clearly understand.
As you seek to justify just a few points (I could list many more) do you still think that being offended when a woman blasphemes against your prophet is acceptable. Please bear in midn your previous answers when you consider this.
Your society is spiritually corrupt and you need to cure this before pointing at other societies.
Libertarian, Winchester says...
2:03pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Jon wrote:Well said Jon
I wonder if those disappointed that this teacher hasn't been executed can (for the reference of the rest of us) point out the exact extract from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that made her actions illegal?
I await with interest.
George, says...
2:05pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:I don't agree that it's obviously addressing people on this forum. It's clearly just a bit of rhetoric
George wrote:Obviously he meant people on this
Anony-Moose wrote:It's pretty obvious that if someone demands something, andJon wrote: IWhose saying they are disappointed? I certainly
wonder if those disappointed that this teacher hasn't been executed can
(for the reference of the rest of us) point out the exact extract from
the Koran and/or Sudanese law that made her actions illegal? I await
with interest.
don't want this women executed for her crime. I'm just saying that if
she should choose to work in a culture very different from ours she
should have learnt a few of their customs. But i'm glad she's coming
back to the UK, she can name her teddy bears anything she likes
now.
does not get it, disappointment will follow. That's pretty much
disappointment by definition
forum George.
I may have missed a post where the author was calling for her
execution... maybe you can point it out for me.
As you say - someone can only be disappointed when the thing they
demand they don't get. So please point the post out to me... I'd
happily eat humble pie.
Anony-Moose, says...
2:10pm Mon 3 Dec 07
You're dismissed.. sorry.. CASE dismissed.
George, says...
2:11pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:No, I have answered your question. I don't agree that one has to eliminate all imperfections before criticising others, that's a fallacy. I'll remind you that you are claiming to represent a faith which advocates murder (don't all faiths?) whilst simultaneously criticising another. My point isn't to bandy blame around, but to highlight that nobody on Earth has got it right yet, ourselves included
George wrote:George, I don't think you have answered my
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:1)
Jon wrote: I wonder if those disappointed that this.......and in this fine country you
teacher hasn't been executed can (for the reference of the rest of us)
point out the exact extract from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that
made her actions illegal?
I await with interest.
think it is acceptable to :-
1) Lock up your elders when they cannot afford to pay council tax.
2) Allow your children to drink to excess.
3) Lampoon and disrespect your ruling family.
4) Allow child abusers to re-enter society.
....and you still say that Islam is 'in the dark ages' ?
Only a minority think this is acceptable, and short of an actual
uprising, the rest of us are powerless to stop it
2) They aren't "allowed". Some lawyers made a bit of money inventing
something called "human rights" and prevented us stopping these kids
3) They don't rule, they are largely a figurehead. Lampooning and
disrespecting do not go hand-in-hand anyway
4) That's known as "mercy". It exists so that child abusers are not put
in a position where, if caught, they would be locked up for life. If
they were put in that position, they would simply kill the child
post-abuse, because they would have nothing to lose by doing so, and
why leave a breathing witness?
Case dismissed
questions but merely highlighted to yourself how your 'civilised'
society needs to look at itself before criticising cultures it doesn't
know or clearly understand. As you seek to justify just a few points (I
could list many more) do you still think that being offended when a
woman blasphemes against your prophet is acceptable. Please bear in
midn your previous answers when you consider this.
Your society is spiritually corrupt and you need to cure this before
pointing at other societies.
I do not think there is anything wrong with being offended at blasphemy, but I fail to see how it is justification for bloody murder. I note with interest you haven't addressed my previous question, though
Your last point is moot. We do not have to cure anything before pointing at other societies. Were that logic to hold, nobody on the planet is in a position to claim that anyone has ever wronged anyone else. If you don't like this corrupt society in particular, maybe you ought to remove yourself from it forthwith
George, says...
2:12pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:Can I just ask what exactly your problem with me is all of a sudden? You seem pretty determined to pick a fight with me across several threads, any reason for that?
Ok ok George.
You're dismissed.. sorry.. CASE dismissed.
Gerry, says...
2:19pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose, says...
2:24pm Mon 3 Dec 07
George wrote:I have no idea what you mean George.
Anony-Moose wrote: Ok ok George. You're dismissed.. sorry.. CASE dismissed.Can I just ask what exactly your problem with me is all of a sudden? You seem pretty determined to pick a fight with me across several threads, any reason for that?
This is a forum and i'm replying to posts.
George, says...
2:27pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:Yeh, whatever. Grow up
George wrote:I
Anony-Moose wrote: Ok ok George. You're dismissed..Can I just ask what exactly your
sorry.. CASE dismissed.
problem with me is all of a sudden? You seem pretty determined to pick
a fight with me across several threads, any reason for that?
have no idea what you mean George.
This is a forum and i'm replying to posts.
Cynic, says...
2:30pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Small minded friend, says...
2:37pm Mon 3 Dec 07
tim wrote:The lashes were never going to happen, she's too fat to feel it.
I dont want to sound cruel but i think she should of had the 40 lashes. I think it's despicable to call a teddy bear names...
Anony-Moose, says...
2:40pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Small minded friend wrote:Why can't people jump on posts like these and not the sensible ones?
tim wrote: I dont want to sound cruel but i think she should of had the 40 lashes. I think it's despicable to call a teddy bear names...The lashes were never going to happen, she's too fat to feel it.
Sadaf Bakhoum, says...
2:57pm Mon 3 Dec 07
I think you're getting very confused and even your own people are arguing against you.
I think I understand your main point - however, the British public (or those on this site) have been very critical of the Islamic people over this matter, I have pointed out that there are many more so called injustices in everyday British society which need addressing without worrying about how other countries see fit to uphold their spiritual beliefs.
Perhaps if Britain had maintained it's traditional values and Christian beliefs many years ago this country woudl not be in such an almighty state now !!!
Denzil, Romsey says...
2:58pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum, says...
3:05pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Are you related to George ? You seem to be very similar minds with racial tolerance.
George, says...
3:07pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:Nope, I'm not at all confused. Who are "my own people"? I'm an individual, I don't feel the need to hold the exact same opinion as everyone else. The only person I can see arguing against me is some troll who has taken umbrage to me for reasons unknown, and wants a fight. Oh, and you, of course
George, I think you're getting very confused and even your own people
are arguing against you.
I think I understand your main point - however, the British public (or
those on this site) have been very critical of the Islamic people over
this matter, I have pointed out that there are many more so called
injustices in everyday British society which need addressing without
worrying about how other countries see fit to uphold their spiritual
beliefs.
Perhaps if Britain had maintained it's traditional values and Christian
beliefs many years ago this country woudl not be in such an almighty
state now !!!
Anyways, your point seems to be "there are things wrong with British society, ergo you are in no position to say anything about any other society" which is complete nonsense, and will remain so no matter how many times you re-phrase it. Islam is far from perfect. Christianity is far from perfect. British society is far from perfect. None of this precludes members of any such society from criticising others. Anyway, this supposed hell-hole of a country must offer something to the Muslim community, or they wouldn't be here
I agree with your last paragraph, although it appears you are pointing that out to distract people from criticism levelled at your faith. That is pure hypocrisy, since it's exactly that which you are accusing the west of doing
George, says...
3:08pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:So now I'm a racist for not agreeing with you? At this point, then, I don't think there's much point continuing with the "discussion"
Denzil,
Are you related to George ? You seem to be very similar minds with racial tolerance.
Heaven forbid anyone ever disagree with a Muslim, eh
Sadaf Bakhoum, says...
3:17pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anyway, this supposed hell-hole of a country must offer something to the Muslim community, or they wouldn't be here
....and just how many Sudanese are living here George ? As many British as there are in Australia, USA, France, Spain or even 'hell holes' like India, China, Iraq or perhaps Sudan ?
Think you need to check back through your posts.
Denzil, Romsey says...
3:26pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:Can't say I am, no. I stand by what I said. It was a fcuking TEDDY FFS.
Denzil, Are you related to George ? You seem to be very similar minds with racial tolerance.
George, says...
3:27pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:I don't think I need to bother, you're clearly just trolling and I can't be bothered with either you, or any of your sock puppets. This latest offering from you is even more riddled with logical fallacy than the rest of your nonsense. Go on, call me a racist again. Break out the Nazi allusions, if you like. Your whole point seems to be "The UK is the great Satan, and nobody is allowed to say otherwise". Yawn. Talk to me again about intolerance?
George wrote :-
Anyway, this supposed hell-hole of a country must offer
something to the Muslim community, or they wouldn't be here
....and just how many Sudanese are living here George ? As many British
as there are in Australia, USA, France, Spain or even 'hell holes' like
India, China, Iraq or perhaps Sudan ?
Think you need to check back through your posts.
George, says...
3:29pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Denzil wrote:Don't bother, Denzil, this is just Anony-moose/A Reader/Cynic trolling away under yet another pseudonym
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:Can't say I am, no. I stand by what I
Denzil, Are you related to George ? You seem to be very similar minds
with racial tolerance.
said. It was a fcuking TEDDY FFS.
Anony-Moose, says...
3:44pm Mon 3 Dec 07
George wrote:You are wrong George.
Denzil wrote:Don't bother, Denzil, this is just Anony-moose/A Reader/Cynic trolling away under yet another pseudonymSadaf Bakhoum wrote: Denzil, Are you related to George ? You seem to be very similar minds with racial tolerance.Can't say I am, no. I stand by what I said. It was a fcuking TEDDY FFS.
That is not me. And thats the truth.
Nicki, southampton says...
3:46pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Get real wrote:This isn't about her not knowing their customs, its about fundamentlism using her for its own ends. I don't think it was really the problem it was made out to be by people who obvioously wanted to get at the Westerner
I think we have played into the hands of the Sudanese by blowing this out of all proportion. Let the stupid woman serve her time, melt back into anonymity and learn from the experience. Perhaps in future she'll read up on the customs of the country she is working in.
George, says...
3:47pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:That's what you were bound to say
George wrote:You are wrong George.
Denzil wrote:Don't bother, Denzil,Sadaf BakhoumCan't say I am, no. I stand by
wrote: Denzil, Are you related to George ? You seem to be very similar
minds with racial tolerance.
what I said. It was a fcuking TEDDY FFS.
this is just Anony-moose/A Reader/Cynic trolling away under yet another
pseudonym
That is not me. And thats the truth.
Anony-Moose, says...
3:49pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Thats an idiot - i'm not.
united front, soton says...
3:56pm Mon 3 Dec 07
No person can persuade me to accept this and i feel its a outrage for any 'on the level' human being to do so. If it was such a big crime, why didnt the lady know about it?
Mrs. De Pointe, says...
3:56pm Mon 3 Dec 07
George, says...
4:06pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:Isn't it irritating when someone gets the wrong end of something you've said, and chooses not to let it go?
Of course thats what I'd say - when its clearly not me.
Thats an idiot - i'm not.
sid, portsmouth says...
4:07pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose, says...
4:09pm Mon 3 Dec 07
George wrote:Do you want to go again George?
Anony-Moose wrote: Of course thats what I'd say - when its clearly not me. Thats an idiot - i'm not.Isn't it irritating when someone gets the wrong end of something you've said, and chooses not to let it go?
Maybe round 2.
Point is.. i thought we were passed that now and were starting to be sensible again.
Grow up (in your own words)
Chris, Andover says...
4:10pm Mon 3 Dec 07
George, says...
4:15pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:LOL I think you missed my point! Suffice to say, we are past that point. I was just highlighting previous mixups
George wrote:Do you want to go again George?
Anony-Moose wrote: Of course thats what I'd say -Isn't it
when its clearly not me. Thats an idiot - i'm not.
irritating when someone gets the wrong end of something you've said,
and chooses not to let it go?
Maybe round 2.
Point is.. i thought we were passed that now and were starting to be
sensible again.
Grow up (in your own words)
Greg, Lymington says...
4:19pm Mon 3 Dec 07
united front, soton says...
4:21pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Anony-Moose wrote:anyone else scared ? what a spoon! big man!! do you love being a pain in the arse?
George wrote:Do you want to go again George? Maybe round 2. Point is.. i thought we were passed that now and were starting to be sensible again. Grow up (in your own words)Anony-Moose wrote: Of course thats what I'd say - when its clearly not me. Thats an idiot - i'm not.Isn't it irritating when someone gets the wrong end of something you've said, and chooses not to let it go?
trying to get the last word in and that, bet posting your comments puts a smile of your face, doesnt it?
george son, you make more sense than this tough man, leave him to it.
Anony-Moose, says...
4:38pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Fact is: different countries have different cultures and if you choose to live in a different culture you have to do a little bit of homework.
Anon, says...
5:00pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Mrs. De Pointe, says...
5:14pm Mon 3 Dec 07
My paternal grandfather fought the Fuzzy-wuzzies you know, he'd be turning in his grave now !
Hugh Carres, says...
5:26pm Mon 3 Dec 07
How much tax payers money and newsprint have been wasted on this non-event ?
It always amazes me when our Government get involved in local issues so needlessly. Guess the consulate staff over there don't have a lot else to do....probably can't even get a snifter after work.
free england?, england says...
5:33pm Mon 3 Dec 07
and a country where if your house is burgled by someone who breaks into your house in the middle of the night, and you punch them you could spend months in jail...
and a country where soclai services are supposed to be looking after vulnerable children and yet every few weeks we hear about babies being tortured to death by their parents,,
etc, etc,,,
if it happened 'over there' you'd all be going mad about it....
(england by the way..)
Sadaf Bakhoum, says...
5:36pm Mon 3 Dec 07
free england? wrote:I think I made a similar point earlier, unfortunately some of the people on this site (George especially) have great difficulty in seeing problems in their own country whilst criticizing others.
I presme you all realise that there is a country were it is illegal to stand any where near the government buildings and criticise the government for going to war, or read out the name of the soldiers killed in Iraq, and if you do so you will imediately be grabbed by police and taken away in a van...
and a country where if your house is burgled by someone who breaks into your house in the middle of the night, and you punch them you could spend months in jail...
and a country where soclai services are supposed to be looking after vulnerable children and yet every few weeks we hear about babies being tortured to death by their parents,,
etc, etc,,,
if it happened 'over there' you'd all be going mad about it....
(england by the way..)
It seems as soon as anything happens in an Islamic state the narrow minded bigots jump on the Muslim bashing bandwagon.
Sad lot really.
Lance Corporal Jones, Warmington on Sea says...
5:37pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Mrs. De Pointe wrote:They didn't like it up 'em you know!
Why would anyone want to behead a Teddy Bear, this really is too much.
My paternal grandfather fought the Fuzzy-wuzzies you know, he\'d be turning in his grave now !
Mrs. De Pointe, says...
5:41pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Lance Corporal Jones wrote:My dear chap, that's exactly what dear old Papa used to say.
Mrs. De Pointe wrote:They didn't like it up 'em you know!
Why would anyone want to behead a Teddy Bear, this really is too much.
My paternal grandfather fought the Fuzzy-wuzzies you know, he\'d be turning in his grave now !
How strange.
Hiram Hackenbacker, Tracey Island says...
5:58pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Hugh Carres wrote:I got a new passport the other day - it mentioned that some of the fee pays for these staff overseas. They are earning their salary during this fiasco.
She's already spent about 9 days in chokey, why not just take her punishment and walk away head held high ? How much tax payers money and newsprint have been wasted on this non-event ? It always amazes me when our Government get involved in local issues so needlessly. Guess the consulate staff over there don't have a lot else to do....probably can't even get a snifter after work.
Jim, Southampton says...
7:35pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Jim, Southampton says...
7:45pm Mon 3 Dec 07
It would be a totally different story, or at least a small one. Woman offends countries culture, gets whipped, one person unhappy, the rest of religion is happy....everyone goes home and has a nice cup of tea.
Its like, would you punch a man for dropping an England flag on the floor and wiping his feet on it?
Hiram Hackenbacker, Tracey Island says...
8:08pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Jim wrote:See:-
Does anyone here think, that if 9/11, London and Madrid never happened, no one would mind what the hell the Islamists do or think? It would be a totally different story, or at least a small one. Woman offends countries culture, gets whipped, one person unhappy, the rest of religion is happy....everyone goes home and has a nice cup of tea. Its like, would you punch a man for dropping an England flag on the floor and wiping his feet on it?
http://www.freerepub
lic.com/focus/f-news
/1933623/posts
Quick - before the Echo censor the link.
Hiram Hackenbacker, Tracey Island says...
8:12pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Libertarian wrote:"Muslims Reaction brings shame to Islam"
Sudan didn't make any friends over all this fuss.
Here:-
http://www.freerepub
lic.com/focus/f-news
/1933931/posts
Denzil, Romsey says...
8:40pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Jim wrote:If he wasn't English then yes, I probably would.
Does anyone here think, that if 9/11, London and Madrid never happened, no one would mind what the hell the Islamists do or think? It would be a totally different story, or at least a small one. Woman offends countries culture, gets whipped, one person unhappy, the rest of religion is happy....everyone goes home and has a nice cup of tea. Its like, would you punch a man for dropping an England flag on the floor and wiping his feet on it?
Hellina Handcart, southampton says...
9:00pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Jim, Southampton says...
9:32pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Denzil wrote:Would need to take into account if that flag was in fact, a doormat. Just puts it all into perspective that to be honest, OUR Government needs to sort itself out. Im far from racist, but i always thought England was England, and those who come to Britain, come to enjoy the English life. Whats the point of going on holiday if your not going to see what a civilisation has built, than spending your whole time in a caravan reading "History of Our Country". If any country, creed or culture, wants to act on stupidity such as the execution of a school teacher for calling a bear "Mohammed", then those who come to England should expect to be treated like Englishmen, abide by our ways and cultures and shut up about it.
Jim wrote: Does anyone here think, that if 9/11, London and Madrid never happened, no one would mind what the hell the Islamists do or think? It would be a totally different story, or at least a small one. Woman offends countries culture, gets whipped, one person unhappy, the rest of religion is happy....everyone goes home and has a nice cup of tea. Its like, would you punch a man for dropping an England flag on the floor and wiping his feet on it?If he wasn't English then yes, I probably would.
However, the GRAND irony is, our Government wants to bend over backwards for Muslims, while the Muslim Council of the UK just sits back, looking bemused, thinking, "What on Earth are you lot doing? Werent you lot an Empire once?"
her indoors, eastleigh says...
11:35pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:who says its acceptable not the majority of this country its all down to goverment who are too soft,i for one does not find any of these things acceptable so dont tar every one with the same brush
Jon wrote: I wonder if those disappointed that this teacher hasn't been executed can (for the reference of the rest of us) point out the exact extract from the Koran and/or Sudanese law that made her actions illegal? I await with interest........and in this fine country you think it is acceptable to :- 1) Lock up your elders when they cannot afford to pay council tax. 2) Allow your children to drink to excess. 3) Lampoon and disrespect your ruling family. 4) Allow child abusers to re-enter society. ....and you still say that Islam is 'in the dark ages' ?
jen, soton says...
1:35am Tue 4 Dec 07
Being Muslim doesnt mean you're not english and the laws of individual countries are not always according to that states Holy book even if there is a heavy influence.
Agree with Jims thoughts re; 9/11 attacks. Not sure whether the lay English man has forgiven the catholics in n. ireland yet but judging on how long that went on for, i reckon the Muslims should expect to be blamed for everything for sometime yet....specially as the stereotypical muslim isnt white, doesnt speak english, and dresses differently.
Sharia law might seem stupid to westerners but dont go to a country where sharia law is practised if you dont fully understand it or risk recieving a harsh sentence for commiting a 'crime'
Joe, says...
1:40am Tue 4 Dec 07
George, says...
7:49am Tue 4 Dec 07
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:Erm, no. I am well aware of the problems my own country faces, thanks. I just don't subscribe to your ludicrous "get your own house in order before pointing out the flaws in others" creed. Seems you don't realize you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of, though. Not to mention, of course, you're now just insulting me personally because I didnt' fall on the ground pleading for your forgiveness. Who's a bigot? Well, presumably I can look forward to you following me around the boards crying "George is a nasty racist!!!" for the next few weeks. Seen it all before, very tiresome
free england? wrote:I think I made a similar point earlier, unfortunately some of the people on this site (George especially) have great difficulty in seeing problems in their own country whilst criticizing others.
I presme you all realise that there is a country were it is illegal to stand any where near the government buildings and criticise the government for going to war, or read out the name of the soldiers killed in Iraq, and if you do so you will imediately be grabbed by police and taken away in a van...
and a country where if your house is burgled by someone who breaks into your house in the middle of the night, and you punch them you could spend months in jail...
and a country where soclai services are supposed to be looking after vulnerable children and yet every few weeks we hear about babies being tortured to death by their parents,,
etc, etc,,,
if it happened 'over there' you'd all be going mad about it....
(england by the way..)
It seems as soon as anything happens in an Islamic state the narrow minded bigots jump on the Muslim bashing bandwagon.
Sad lot really.
George, says...
8:08am Tue 4 Dec 07
your not big and your not clever. I'm thinking you are the troll by your predictable and reactionary post little fella
Sadaf Bakhoum, says...
9:10am Tue 4 Dec 07
George wrote:George, beleive me I have better things to do with my life that 'follow you around the boards'.
Sadaf Bakhoum wrote:Erm, no. I am well aware of the problems my own country faces, thanks. I just don't subscribe to your ludicrous "get your own house in order before pointing out the flaws in others" creed. Seems you don't realize you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of, though. Not to mention, of course, you're now just insulting me personally because I didnt' fall on the ground pleading for your forgiveness. Who's a bigot? Well, presumably I can look forward to you following me around the boards crying "George is a nasty racist!!!" for the next few weeks. Seen it all before, very tiresome
free england? wrote:I think I made a similar point earlier, unfortunately some of the people on this site (George especially) have great difficulty in seeing problems in their own country whilst criticizing others.
I presme you all realise that there is a country were it is illegal to stand any where near the government buildings and criticise the government for going to war, or read out the name of the soldiers killed in Iraq, and if you do so you will imediately be grabbed by police and taken away in a van...
and a country where if your house is burgled by someone who breaks into your house in the middle of the night, and you punch them you could spend months in jail...
and a country where soclai services are supposed to be looking after vulnerable children and yet every few weeks we hear about babies being tortured to death by their parents,,
etc, etc,,,
if it happened 'over there' you'd all be going mad about it....
(england by the way..)
It seems as soon as anything happens in an Islamic state the narrow minded bigots jump on the Muslim bashing bandwagon.
Sad lot really.
If I got uptight and vindictive with every racist I came across my life would not be worth living. I prefer to spend my time on the good things in life.
George, says...
9:13am Tue 4 Dec 07
George wrote:Yeh yeh yeh, 'Sadaf Bakhoum', quick, invent someone to agree with you. Oldest trick in the book I'm afraid. Seems you don't know what "troll" means, though. Look it up
George
your not big and your not clever. I\'m thinking you are the troll by your predictable and reactionary post little fella
Hiram Hackenbacker, Tracey Island says...
11:22am Tue 4 Dec 07
George wrote:Imposter.
George your not big and your not clever. I'm thinking you are the troll by your predictable and reactionary post little fella
George knows it's "You are" or "You're" and not "your".
louise, southampton says...
2:04pm Tue 4 Dec 07
in prison and i think it is stupid
Anony-Moose, says...
2:18pm Tue 4 Dec 07
louise wrote:They needed an undercover teacher to teach the in-mates how to spell Mohammed... Louise.
i dont understand why she got put in prison and i think it is stupid
She failed and they let her out.
So don't worry your little socks off about it.
Denzil, Romsey says...
2:42pm Tue 4 Dec 07
louise wrote:It's because their country is backward and run by retards. I would rather have my balls cut off than go over there.
i dont understand why she got put in prison and i think it is stupid
Rich, says...
3:49pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Denzil wrote:That can be arranged
louise wrote:It's because their country is backward and run by retards. I
i dont understand why she got put in prison and i think it is stupid
would rather have my balls cut off than go over there.
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8:34am Mon 3 Dec 07
Now they just need to sort out Darfur