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Fuel protest leaves organisers disappointed
12:04pm Saturday 15th December 2007
Comments (58)
A HANDFUL of fuel protestors gathered at a Hampshire oil refinery this morning to demonstrate against the rising cost of fuel.
But despite being billed as a major protest expected to disrupt fuel tankers leaving Fawley Oil Refinery and bring carnage to the county's forecourts, only around 15 protestors turned up.
Around ten police officers were at the protest, which took place opposite the entrance to Esso's Hythe terminal.
A lone protestor attempted to block the entry road with his Landrover but was quickly moved on by police.
Protest organiser Chris Hunter said: "I am disappointed by the number of people who turned up but we have still got our message across."
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Dragnet, says...
12:43pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Protest organiser Chris Hunter said: "I am disappointed by the number of people who turned up but we have still got our message across."
Yes you did. The message is that you are not as clever as you thought you were and you do not have any real support.
Yes you did. The message is that you are not as clever as you thought you were and you do not have any real support.
Richard Hill, Norway (formally Dibden Purlieu) says...
1:00pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Stop all your moaning about fuel prices... it is £1.20 here!!!
i know best, dorset says...
1:32pm Sat 15 Dec 07
yeah but norway is a **** hole.
mike, hedge end says...
1:40pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Although disappointed at the lack of protestors, the greater disappointment must surely be the folks (samples above), who are quite clearly satisfied to sit back and watch everything around them increase in price thereby swelling both multinationals and the governments coffers. These are the very people who will not get off their fat backsides to even vote in the very few elections that we are allowed to have in this ever increasing un-democratic country. When will they wake up and realise that they are being taken for every penny that can be sucked out of them whilst the political class along with their backers sit back and get it all. Take a look around you and calculate what percentage of your salary is now taken away from you to pay for fuel, fares, income tax, council tax etc compared to say 20 years ago.
For people to slag off the few who do try to stand up for themselves I think just shows a certain amount of "it's not my problem" and does nothing except show a servile attitude to those that are going all out to screw you.
For people to slag off the few who do try to stand up for themselves I think just shows a certain amount of "it's not my problem" and does nothing except show a servile attitude to those that are going all out to screw you.
Stuck record, says...
2:09pm Sat 15 Dec 07
mike wrote:Same old whinging as yesterday. You make the foolish mistake of believing that people who aren't backing you are lazy, stupid, happy to pay taxes, and a whole lot of other assumptions. Another, more probable conclusion is that they don't support this particular campaign. Not that this means they don't care about anything or they don't even vote. They just do not think that standing outside a refinery is going to help.
Although disappointed at the lack of protestors, the greater disappointment must surely be the folks (samples above), who are quite clearly satisfied to sit back and watch everything around them increase in price thereby swelling both multinationals and the governments coffers. These are the very people who will not get off their fat backsides to even vote in the very few elections that we are allowed to have in this ever increasing un-democratic country. When will they wake up and realise that they are being taken for every penny that can be sucked out of them whilst the political class along with their backers sit back and get it all. Take a look around you and calculate what percentage of your salary is now taken away from you to pay for fuel, fares, income tax, council tax etc compared to say 20 years ago.
For people to slag off the few who do try to stand up for themselves I think just shows a certain amount of \"it\'s not my problem\" and does nothing except show a servile attitude to those that are going all out to screw you.
If you want to do something that gets notice taken, you could consider actually blockading refineries, other economic targets, or government buildings.
Tony, Fareham says...
2:31pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Many think that we have reached peak oil - if that is the case we can expect oil prices to rise much further still. The fact is that oil is a finite resource that is running out. While the high tax on fuel in this country places a massive financial burden on consumers, it also (ironically) softens the blow of massively increasing oil prices. If oil prices double, US gas prices go up by about 80%. UK petrol prices by only about 20% because of the massive proportion of tax. The government could reduce fuel tax, and it would ease the pressure in the short-medium term. It would also expose us even more to the harshness of the oil market and would do nothing to address the long term problem of oil sparsity. In a way it may be counterproductive by allowing consumers to be misled that there is not an oil crisis, only a tax crisis.
The answer? Find another way to fuel our transport and start the inevitable process of localisation of goods and services. Oh, and "coming to terms".
The answer? Find another way to fuel our transport and start the inevitable process of localisation of goods and services. Oh, and "coming to terms".
Reality, says...
2:48pm Sat 15 Dec 07
A bottle of water is more expensive per litre than unleaded petrol.
Protestors should be targeting the government, not the oil companies as we are only paying more for our petrol because of the huge amount of duty imposed by the UK government
Protestors should be targeting the government, not the oil companies as we are only paying more for our petrol because of the huge amount of duty imposed by the UK government
You're, Boring us now says...
3:01pm Sat 15 Dec 07
mike wrote:YYYAAAWWWWWNNNN.
Although disappointed at the lack of protestors, the greater disappointment must surely be the folks (samples above), who are quite clearly satisfied to sit back and watch everything around them increase in price thereby swelling both multinationals and the governments coffers. These are the very people who will not get off their fat backsides to even vote in the very few elections that we are allowed to have in this ever increasing un-democratic country. When will they wake up and realise that they are being taken for every penny that can be sucked out of them whilst the political class along with their backers sit back and get it all. Take a look around you and calculate what percentage of your salary is now taken away from you to pay for fuel, fares, income tax, council tax etc compared to say 20 years ago. For people to slag off the few who do try to stand up for themselves I think just shows a certain amount of "it's not my problem" and does nothing except show a servile attitude to those that are going all out to screw you.
Are you finished?
Conrad, says...
3:06pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Stuck record wrote:Blockading refineries is illegal now (after 2000), that's why they can't do it any more. Hence we can all fuel our vehicles when WE choose to.
mike wrote: Although disappointed at the lack of protestors, the greater disappointment must surely be the folks (samples above), who are quite clearly satisfied to sit back and watch everything around them increase in price thereby swelling both multinationals and the governments coffers. These are the very people who will not get off their fat backsides to even vote in the very few elections that we are allowed to have in this ever increasing un-democratic country. When will they wake up and realise that they are being taken for every penny that can be sucked out of them whilst the political class along with their backers sit back and get it all. Take a look around you and calculate what percentage of your salary is now taken away from you to pay for fuel, fares, income tax, council tax etc compared to say 20 years ago. For people to slag off the few who do try to stand up for themselves I think just shows a certain amount of \"it\'s not my problem\" and does nothing except show a servile attitude to those that are going all out to screw you.Same old whinging as yesterday. You make the foolish mistake of believing that people who aren't backing you are lazy, stupid, happy to pay taxes, and a whole lot of other assumptions. Another, more probable conclusion is that they don't support this particular campaign. Not that this means they don't care about anything or they don't even vote. They just do not think that standing outside a refinery is going to help. If you want to do something that gets notice taken, you could consider actually blockading refineries, other economic targets, or government buildings.
Anyway, your post could possibly be considered as inciting terrorism, be careful.
Hiram B Birdbath, says...
3:13pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Joe wrote:You're absolutely right Joe (and dragnet).
Yep they got the message across that out of the millions of drivers in this country they only had 15 max turn up out side fawley. The message is you have no support in trying to disrupted peoples lives that have nothing to do with your fight. Your not elected to represent the public and have no rights what so ever to do this.
These people are simply troublemaking whingers. If it wasn't this they'd be protesting about something else.
They claim to have the support of the public; RUBBISH! Any sympathy they had was lost during the vindictive, spiteful fuel protests of 2000. All this achieved was panicking the public and making us realise how much we really value petrol and the service that provides it.
The man in the street isn't happy with the price of petrol, but would rather have the opportunity to buy it than have that taken away from them by these small minded individuals.
The three men and a dog-on-a-rope protest that I predicted wasn't far off the mark.....
sheitma pance, Soton says...
3:53pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Reality wrote:And what chuffings differences does that make??
A bottle of water is more expensive per litre than unleaded petrol. Protestors should be targeting the government, not the oil companies as we are only paying more for our petrol because of the huge amount of duty imposed by the UK government
you must be being VERY THICK to make a copansion bewteen petrol and water. that is being like compare the price of fish fingers to pavings slabs. two entirely differently products.
i know best, dorset says...
3:57pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Hiram B Birdbath wrote:you are a dog on a rope hiram.
Joe wrote:You're absolutely right Joe (and dragnet).
Yep they got the message across that out of the millions of drivers in this country they only had 15 max turn up out side fawley. The message is you have no support in trying to disrupted peoples lives that have nothing to do with your fight. Your not elected to represent the public and have no rights what so ever to do this.
These people are simply troublemaking whingers. If it wasn't this they'd be protesting about something else.
They claim to have the support of the public; RUBBISH! Any sympathy they had was lost during the vindictive, spiteful fuel protests of 2000. All this achieved was panicking the public and making us realise how much we really value petrol and the service that provides it.
The man in the street isn't happy with the price of petrol, but would rather have the opportunity to buy it than have that taken away from them by these small minded individuals.
The three men and a dog-on-a-rope protest that I predicted wasn't far off the mark.....
Phil, Southampton says...
4:20pm Sat 15 Dec 07
These people have no support amongst the public.They are a bunch of selfish greedy dinosaurs living in the past.
Stuck record, Gitmo or the Scrubs says...
4:32pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Conrad wrote:Yep I know its illegal now - that's why I would think if they were truely commited (and had a pair of the requiste cajones) they would take that action.
Stuck record wrote:Blockading refineries is illegal now (after 2000), that's why they can't do it any more. Hence we can all fuel our vehicles when WE choose to.
mike wrote: Although disappointed at the lack of protestors, the greater disappointment must surely be the folks (samples above), who are quite clearly satisfied to sit back and watch everything around them increase in price thereby swelling both multinationals and the governments coffers. These are the very people who will not get off their fat backsides to even vote in the very few elections that we are allowed to have in this ever increasing un-democratic country. When will they wake up and realise that they are being taken for every penny that can be sucked out of them whilst the political class along with their backers sit back and get it all. Take a look around you and calculate what percentage of your salary is now taken away from you to pay for fuel, fares, income tax, council tax etc compared to say 20 years ago. For people to slag off the few who do try to stand up for themselves I think just shows a certain amount of \"it\'s not my problem\" and does nothing except show a servile attitude to those that are going all out to screw you.Same old whinging as yesterday. You make the foolish mistake of believing that people who aren't backing you are lazy, stupid, happy to pay taxes, and a whole lot of other assumptions. Another, more probable conclusion is that they don't support this particular campaign. Not that this means they don't care about anything or they don't even vote. They just do not think that standing outside a refinery is going to help. If you want to do something that gets notice taken, you could consider actually blockading refineries, other economic targets, or government buildings.
Anyway, your post could possibly be considered as inciting terrorism, be careful.
I'm quite aware of the thoughtcrime acts which have been passed to prevent people from discussing any dissent (even that proposed by others) - which is why I use phrases like "you could consider..." rather than "you should" or "you ought". Mind you I expect there is a tame member of the judiciary and a frenzied and fearful jury which could be found to convict someone if required. If not, they can easily be disappeared by our American friends to a far away country.
Manimal, Southampton says...
5:01pm Sat 15 Dec 07
The only reason petrol's so expensive at the moment is because of America's spat with Iran which has pushed oil prices up to record levels. Petrol should be around 85p per litre, once Mr Bush is out of the White House next year expect the price to go down.
Derek, Dibden Purlieu says...
5:11pm Sat 15 Dec 07
The lack of protesters and the apparent lack of support from the public will send a huge green light to the fat Scotsman that he can carry on increasing fuel taxes because he hasn't reached the point where the public are prepared to argue about it. I admit that I didn't join the protest but then again I can afford some serious tax increases before it will hurt me.Is everyone else in this position?
Conrad, says...
5:28pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Stuck record wrote:Keep it up clown, you'll have the Guantanamo Bay prison cell that you crave in no time.
Conrad wrote:Yep I know its illegal now - that's why I would think if they were truely commited (and had a pair of the requiste cajones) they would take that action. I'm quite aware of the thoughtcrime acts which have been passed to prevent people from discussing any dissent (even that proposed by others) - which is why I use phrases like "you could consider..." rather than "you should" or "you ought". Mind you I expect there is a tame member of the judiciary and a frenzied and fearful jury which could be found to convict someone if required. If not, they can easily be disappeared by our American friends to a far away country.Stuck record wrote:Blockading refineries is illegal now (after 2000), that's why they can't do it any more. Hence we can all fuel our vehicles when WE choose to. Anyway, your post could possibly be considered as inciting terrorism, be careful.mike wrote: Although disappointed at the lack of protestors, the greater disappointment must surely be the folks (samples above), who are quite clearly satisfied to sit back and watch everything around them increase in price thereby swelling both multinationals and the governments coffers. These are the very people who will not get off their fat backsides to even vote in the very few elections that we are allowed to have in this ever increasing un-democratic country. When will they wake up and realise that they are being taken for every penny that can be sucked out of them whilst the political class along with their backers sit back and get it all. Take a look around you and calculate what percentage of your salary is now taken away from you to pay for fuel, fares, income tax, council tax etc compared to say 20 years ago. For people to slag off the few who do try to stand up for themselves I think just shows a certain amount of \"it\'s not my problem\" and does nothing except show a servile attitude to those that are going all out to screw you.Same old whinging as yesterday. You make the foolish mistake of believing that people who aren't backing you are lazy, stupid, happy to pay taxes, and a whole lot of other assumptions. Another, more probable conclusion is that they don't support this particular campaign. Not that this means they don't care about anything or they don't even vote. They just do not think that standing outside a refinery is going to help. If you want to do something that gets notice taken, you could consider actually blockading refineries, other economic targets, or government buildings.
Hiram B Birdbath, says...
5:31pm Sat 15 Dec 07
i know best wrote:Oh how witty! How many bananas are you paying those chimpanzees to write that for you?
Hiram B Birdbath wrote:you are a dog on a rope hiram.Joe wrote: Yep they got the message across that out of the millions of drivers in this country they only had 15 max turn up out side fawley. The message is you have no support in trying to disrupted peoples lives that have nothing to do with your fight. Your not elected to represent the public and have no rights what so ever to do this.You're absolutely right Joe (and dragnet). These people are simply troublemaking whingers. If it wasn't this they'd be protesting about something else. They claim to have the support of the public; RUBBISH! Any sympathy they had was lost during the vindictive, spiteful fuel protests of 2000. All this achieved was panicking the public and making us realise how much we really value petrol and the service that provides it. The man in the street isn't happy with the price of petrol, but would rather have the opportunity to buy it than have that taken away from them by these small minded individuals. The three men and a dog-on-a-rope protest that I predicted wasn't far off the mark.....
Hiram B Birdbath, says...
5:36pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Derek wrote:Derek, seriously now, do you REALLY think that Gordon Brown will pay the slightest attention to what you think when fuel taxes are decided?
The lack of protesters and the apparent lack of support from the public will send a huge green light to the fat Scotsman that he can carry on increasing fuel taxes because he hasn't reached the point where the public are prepared to argue about it. I admit that I didn't join the protest but then again I can afford some serious tax increases before it will hurt me.Is everyone else in this position?
The only real option for protest the public have is at the ballot box, but will they have the bottle to vote the Tories back in? Brown could call an election tomorrow and walk it.
Dan Gleeballs, southampton says...
5:59pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Reality wrote:This is so right, read the words from reality! You are a knee jerk bunch of fools. the fuel companies are not the issue. its 70% duty and vat..............i like a pint of stella which is about £3 a pint 8 pints is a gallon, yeah? 8 x 3 = £24 a gallon of stella. Petrol about £5 a gallon. ...........Stella is 90% water, petrol has to be found, pumped, shipped, refined and put in a flash petrol station and we say its dear? the government and the brewies are extracting the urine not the fuel companies! Think about it!
A bottle of water is more expensive per litre than unleaded petrol. Protestors should be targeting the government, not the oil companies as we are only paying more for our petrol because of the huge amount of duty imposed by the UK government
i know best, dorset says...
5:59pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Hiram B Birdbath wrote:hiram is a sado
i know best wrote:Oh how witty! How many bananas are you paying those chimpanzees to write that for you?
Hiram B Birdbath wrote:you are a dog on a rope hiram.Joe wrote: Yep they got the message across that out of the millions of drivers in this country they only had 15 max turn up out side fawley. The message is you have no support in trying to disrupted peoples lives that have nothing to do with your fight. Your not elected to represent the public and have no rights what so ever to do this.You\'re absolutely right Joe (and dragnet). These people are simply troublemaking whingers. If it wasn\'t this they\'d be protesting about something else. They claim to have the support of the public; RUBBISH! Any sympathy they had was lost during the vindictive, spiteful fuel protests of 2000. All this achieved was panicking the public and making us realise how much we really value petrol and the service that provides it. The man in the street isn\'t happy with the price of petrol, but would rather have the opportunity to buy it than have that taken away from them by these small minded individuals. The three men and a dog-on-a-rope protest that I predicted wasn\'t far off the mark.....
Joe, fawley says...
6:00pm Sat 15 Dec 07
mike wrote:Sorry mate but standing up for yourselves does not mean you have to disrupt my life. The last fuel protest made me loose my job, because it broke my bosses back, financually. You are not a union picketing a works place, you are an undemocratic bunch of self appointed lynch mob. If you want to make a difference set up a political party or join one and do your bidding via the ballot box.
Although disappointed at the lack of protestors, the greater disappointment must surely be the folks (samples above), who are quite clearly satisfied to sit back and watch everything around them increase in price thereby swelling both multinationals and the governments coffers. These are the very people who will not get off their fat backsides to even vote in the very few elections that we are allowed to have in this ever increasing un-democratic country. When will they wake up and realise that they are being taken for every penny that can be sucked out of them whilst the political class along with their backers sit back and get it all. Take a look around you and calculate what percentage of your salary is now taken away from you to pay for fuel, fares, income tax, council tax etc compared to say 20 years ago.
For people to slag off the few who do try to stand up for themselves I think just shows a certain amount of "it's not my problem" and does nothing except show a servile attitude to those that are going all out to screw you.
I detest this government, but i detest more self appointed nobodies trying to dictate my everyday way of life, no one here asked you to disrupted our lives on our behalf and you cant say they did, because you have no democratic mandate.
SR, Southampton says...
6:06pm Sat 15 Dec 07
It was to cold for me to go out ^.^
Hiram B Birdbath, says...
6:08pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Well said Joe, I echo your sentiments entirely.
Hiram B Birdbath, says...
6:10pm Sat 15 Dec 07
i know best wrote:Ooooh sticks and stones!!!! That one must have cost you a whole tea party for the chimps!!
Hiram B Birdbath wrote:hiram is a sadoi know best wrote:Oh how witty! How many bananas are you paying those chimpanzees to write that for you?Hiram B Birdbath wrote:you are a dog on a rope hiram.Joe wrote: Yep they got the message across that out of the millions of drivers in this country they only had 15 max turn up out side fawley. The message is you have no support in trying to disrupted peoples lives that have nothing to do with your fight. Your not elected to represent the public and have no rights what so ever to do this.You\'re absolutely right Joe (and dragnet). These people are simply troublemaking whingers. If it wasn\'t this they\'d be protesting about something else. They claim to have the support of the public; RUBBISH! Any sympathy they had was lost during the vindictive, spiteful fuel protests of 2000. All this achieved was panicking the public and making us realise how much we really value petrol and the service that provides it. The man in the street isn\'t happy with the price of petrol, but would rather have the opportunity to buy it than have that taken away from them by these small minded individuals. The three men and a dog-on-a-rope protest that I predicted wasn\'t far off the mark.....
Richard, Norway says...
6:12pm Sat 15 Dec 07
i know best wrote:So why has Norway been voted the best place to live for the 2nd year running....you dic*head....Went skiing in the most beautiful mountains yesterday with 4 stunning blonde women...what have you got there, a refinery, the forest, drunken louts, polish and people (like you) bickering.
yeah but norway is a **** hole.
Council tax,fuel,hospitals,s
chools, immigration, etc, etc
You can keep your shi*y "great" britain and go f yourself!
Mike, in my house says...
6:16pm Sat 15 Dec 07
your quite right joe i bet the protesters claim the vat back from their fuel bills anyway
kerry, says...
6:58pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Richard wrote:Borrrrrrring!!! keep your mouth shut if you dont have anything remotely interesting to say!
i know best wrote: yeah but norway is a **** hole.So why has Norway been voted the best place to live for the 2nd year running....you dic*head....Went skiing in the most beautiful mountains yesterday with 4 stunning blonde women...what have you got there, a refinery, the forest, drunken louts, polish and people (like you) bickering. Council tax,fuel,hospitals,s chools, immigration, etc, etc You can keep your shi*y \"great\" britain and go f yourself!
Robbie, Scottish Highlands says...
7:11pm Sat 15 Dec 07
well i wish you all would respect Scotland a bit we are paying 120p a litre for diesel and it costs the average person £50-£75 a week on fuel to get to work. now look at how much it was last year when it was 88.9p a litre for diesel and only cost about £40 a week to travel to work. my point is our pay aint going up but our taxes are going up and if it keeps going the way its going alot of us are going to find life very difficult up here. so while you are all arguing about it, think of Scotland does the goverment even think of Scotland at all?? take vehicle taxing. people with 4x4s which we need up here are paying heavy for it £300 now that aint fair i can see the point in citys but not up here in the Highlands. i really do wish Scotland was its own country not joined with England.
Norway is stunning!!!, Norway says...
7:13pm Sat 15 Dec 07
kerry wrote:Might of known it was a woman that could not keep her mouth shut.
Richard wrote:Borrrrrrring!!! keep your mouth shut if you dont have anything remotely interesting to say!i know best wrote: yeah but norway is a **** hole.So why has Norway been voted the best place to live for the 2nd year running....you dic*head....Went skiing in the most beautiful mountains yesterday with 4 stunning blonde women...what have you got there, a refinery, the forest, drunken louts, polish and people (like you) bickering. Council tax,fuel,hospitals,s chools, immigration, etc, etc You can keep your shi*y \"great\" britain and go f yourself!
All I write is that its £1-20 here and I get a comment that says this stunning country is a ****hole!!!
Typical British woman...all mouth and no trousers!!!
Joe, fawley says...
8:52pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Guys we are adults, right? Can we not have differences in opinions and debate with out acting like children?
Joe, fawley says...
9:20pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Robbie wrote:I wish scotland was independent too, so 20 billion in english subsadies would stop and then maybe down here we would get a tax break on fuel taxes.
well i wish you all would respect Scotland a bit we are paying 120p a litre for diesel and it costs the average person £50-£75 a week on fuel to get to work. now look at how much it was last year when it was 88.9p a litre for diesel and only cost about £40 a week to travel to work. my point is our pay aint going up but our taxes are going up and if it keeps going the way its going alot of us are going to find life very difficult up here. so while you are all arguing about it, think of Scotland does the goverment even think of Scotland at all?? take vehicle taxing. people with 4x4s which we need up here are paying heavy for it £300 now that aint fair i can see the point in citys but not up here in the Highlands. i really do wish Scotland was its own country not joined with England.
Not to mention Scotland is represented by two Parliaments and for a country of 7 million is hugely over represented and over funded, you really have to laugh at the woe is me stuff from the Scots. They have so many perks of the English back from subsidies. They have never had it so good.
Free prescription, free elderly care just to name two, off the back of the hard working English mans back.
Andy Pandy, Chandlers Ford says...
9:35pm Sat 15 Dec 07
If we English were free of the Scots then perhaps for once we would not have to be decended into darkness every October to suit the Scots!
Yes Please Scotland go independant we'd be far better off. For one we would not be paying for your medicines, your kids to go to University, and your cheap train services, but I still dont expect petrol tax to go down!
Yes Please Scotland go independant we'd be far better off. For one we would not be paying for your medicines, your kids to go to University, and your cheap train services, but I still dont expect petrol tax to go down!
Dorothy, kansas says...
9:53pm Sat 15 Dec 07
it would all be okay if we had an ice rink
Gozza, Southampton says...
9:53pm Sat 15 Dec 07
These are the very people who will not get off their fat backsides to even vote in the very few elections
I vote in every election - and I've attended a couple of counts as an observer. But I don't support fuel protests. It's already been said, it's the government who are responsible for most of the price of fuel, and Brown and his overpaid cronies don't give a s**t about a few people with nothing better to do, standing outside a refinery.
JOKKY, TOTTON says...
11:06pm Sat 15 Dec 07
To Joe and AndyPandy
I am Scottish, and work in the refinery.
I earn better money here than back home, your women drop at my feet, I teach your nationals how to do things properly (and their wives)...I LIKE it here
I am Scottish, and work in the refinery.
I earn better money here than back home, your women drop at my feet, I teach your nationals how to do things properly (and their wives)...I LIKE it here
Robbie, Scottish Highlands says...
2:36am Sun 16 Dec 07
Joe wrote:absolute rubbish we pay for prescriptions up here!! and one other thing where does the oil come from oh but the north sea that WE get for you. you then take it to England and charge us scots more than down there in England. i belive that this protest is a good thing because i cant see where our tax money is going its certinatly not Scotland because the A9 has still not been up upgraded to dual from perth to Inverness which we have been asking for many years. all the roads are a disaster and the A96 still holds the record for this countrys highest death tolls and its nothing to do with the way we drive before any of you have a dig!!
Robbie wrote: well i wish you all would respect Scotland a bit we are paying 120p a litre for diesel and it costs the average person £50-£75 a week on fuel to get to work. now look at how much it was last year when it was 88.9p a litre for diesel and only cost about £40 a week to travel to work. my point is our pay aint going up but our taxes are going up and if it keeps going the way its going alot of us are going to find life very difficult up here. so while you are all arguing about it, think of Scotland does the goverment even think of Scotland at all?? take vehicle taxing. people with 4x4s which we need up here are paying heavy for it £300 now that aint fair i can see the point in citys but not up here in the Highlands. i really do wish Scotland was its own country not joined with England.I wish scotland was independent too, so 20 billion in english subsadies would stop and then maybe down here we would get a tax break on fuel taxes. Not to mention Scotland is represented by two Parliaments and for a country of 7 million is hugely over represented and over funded, you really have to laugh at the woe is me stuff from the Scots. They have so many perks of the English back from subsidies. They have never had it so good. Free prescription, free elderly care just to name two, off the back of the hard working English mans back.
Giselle, Oxfordshire says...
4:27am Sun 16 Dec 07
If your unhappy with the cost of fuel then visit the TransAction2007 website and add your support along with other like minded motorists who are now aware of this organization.
Together we can make a difference.
Together we can make a difference.
Sir John, Southampton says...
6:34am Sun 16 Dec 07
Keep our roads for the rich.
Vote Labour.
Dont forget to touch your forlocks as they drive by.
Vote Labour.
Dont forget to touch your forlocks as they drive by.
Joe, fawley says...
7:58am Sun 16 Dec 07
Robbie wrote:Don't complain to us about your roads you have your very own parliament that should squander money left right and center. As for the old chest nut of oil, the government do not drill for oil, companies do. Plus you think all the cars in the UK run on north sea oil. This country is a net importer of oil.
Joe wrote:absolute rubbish we pay for prescriptions up here!! and one other thing where does the oil come from oh but the north sea that WE get for you. you then take it to England and charge us scots more than down there in England. i belive that this protest is a good thing because i cant see where our tax money is going its certinatly not Scotland because the A9 has still not been up upgraded to dual from perth to Inverness which we have been asking for many years. all the roads are a disaster and the A96 still holds the record for this countrys highest death tolls and its nothing to do with the way we drive before any of you have a dig!!
Robbie wrote: well i wish you all would respect Scotland a bit we are paying 120p a litre for diesel and it costs the average person £50-£75 a week on fuel to get to work. now look at how much it was last year when it was 88.9p a litre for diesel and only cost about £40 a week to travel to work. my point is our pay aint going up but our taxes are going up and if it keeps going the way its going alot of us are going to find life very difficult up here. so while you are all arguing about it, think of Scotland does the goverment even think of Scotland at all?? take vehicle taxing. people with 4x4s which we need up here are paying heavy for it £300 now that aint fair i can see the point in citys but not up here in the Highlands. i really do wish Scotland was its own country not joined with England.I wish scotland was independent too, so 20 billion in english subsadies would stop and then maybe down here we would get a tax break on fuel taxes. Not to mention Scotland is represented by two Parliaments and for a country of 7 million is hugely over represented and over funded, you really have to laugh at the woe is me stuff from the Scots. They have so many perks of the English back from subsidies. They have never had it so good. Free prescription, free elderly care just to name two, off the back of the hard working English mans back.
What you get in subsidies, coattails any notion of you thinking your hard done by.
I got it wrong about prescriptions, but over 50% get it free. free elderly care alone has cost 2.5 billion pound, who pays for that then ? you saying your little nation of 7 million is ?
I propose England should fight for its right to be independent from a nation that resents moans and always feels hard done by. Scotland suffers from the victim syndrome and England would be a stronger richer country with out Scotland. With out 20 billion a year going north of the boarder, just think how much fuel would go down by.
BoJo, says...
8:04am Sun 16 Dec 07
What you get in subsidies, coattails any notion of you thinking your hard done by.Coattails? WTF? Ah you mean "curtails". Got you now.
Well whilst we're at it, may as well rid ourselves of merseyside since the scousers have an ever-so-slight tendancy for self-pity and absorbing the national wealth.
I propose England should fight for its right to be independent from a nation that resents moans and always feels hard done by. Scotland suffers from the victim syndrome and England would be a stronger richer country with out Scotland.
coyr, gosport says...
8:09am Sun 16 Dec 07
so blockading oil refineries is illegal?
so is accepting undisclosed donations to political parties and invading other countries, doesn,t seem to stop labour does it?
so is accepting undisclosed donations to political parties and invading other countries, doesn,t seem to stop labour does it?
Conrad, says...
10:48am Sun 16 Dec 07
coyr wrote:Yes, blockading of oil refineries is illegal. This was introduced after the blockades of 2000 to secure the supply of fuel.
so blockading oil refineries is illegal? so is accepting undisclosed donations to political parties and invading other countries, doesn,t seem to stop labour does it?
If you don't like the way the government operates, you can vote against them at the next general election.
Are you suggesting breaking the law instead? Any law, or just the ones you decide are appropriate?
i know best, dorset says...
2:05pm Sun 16 Dec 07
You have to blame the tories for the mess the country is in labour are still putting things right that the tories messed up whilst in power for 18 years.
bluesummerby, southampton says...
3:53pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Until there are viable alternatives to my car ie, cheap reliable effective public transport i will continue to use my car where i have too.
The way this country's infrastructure is set up the car is no longer a luxury but a necessity. people have to travel further to find work, local shops are put out of business by big out of town superstores and you have to live wherever you can afford to rather than what would be ideal for work, family commitments etc etc.I would love to live near my elderly dad who i care for but i cannot afford to, so i have to travel 15 miles a day to him and to do this on buses would take three hours total travel time and cost more than it does in my car. This is absurd that i can make that statement. Buses should be cheaper than a car as an incentive to use them. Also i would like to add that i do care about climate change and i do ration the use of my car using my mountain bike when i can but that in itself is taking your life into your own hands these days. Some more bike lanes would be good along with a thousand other ideas to help get people out of their cars but these things cost money and as such will not be implemented because its easier to let people rely on their cars and then beat them over the head with guilty /tax stick.
The way this country's infrastructure is set up the car is no longer a luxury but a necessity. people have to travel further to find work, local shops are put out of business by big out of town superstores and you have to live wherever you can afford to rather than what would be ideal for work, family commitments etc etc.I would love to live near my elderly dad who i care for but i cannot afford to, so i have to travel 15 miles a day to him and to do this on buses would take three hours total travel time and cost more than it does in my car. This is absurd that i can make that statement. Buses should be cheaper than a car as an incentive to use them. Also i would like to add that i do care about climate change and i do ration the use of my car using my mountain bike when i can but that in itself is taking your life into your own hands these days. Some more bike lanes would be good along with a thousand other ideas to help get people out of their cars but these things cost money and as such will not be implemented because its easier to let people rely on their cars and then beat them over the head with guilty /tax stick.
keith, Test Valley home of THE MIGHTY SANDRA GIDLEY. says...
4:14pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Joe wrote:i guess you are a refinery worker ?
Yep they got the message across that out of the millions of drivers in this country they only had 15 max turn up out side fawley. The message is you have no support in trying to disrupted peoples lives that have nothing to do with your fight. Your not elected to represent the public and have no rights what so ever to do this.
Joe, fawley says...
4:20pm Sun 16 Dec 07
keith wrote:No i am not. At the time i was a container driver working for a man who was struggling to keep his business going. The fuel protest was the straw that broke the camels back and this selfish action by farmers and haulers, meant that i was made redundant and lost my job. I have a family and a house.
Joe wrote:i guess you are a refinery worker ?
Yep they got the message across that out of the millions of drivers in this country they only had 15 max turn up out side fawley. The message is you have no support in trying to disrupted peoples lives that have nothing to do with your fight. Your not elected to represent the public and have no rights what so ever to do this.
Do you think i give a hoot about these selfish people that undemocratically destroyed my job and then have the cheek to say they did it for us ?
They have no democratic mandate and where did it get them? no where, got me down to the job center tho.
i know best, dorset says...
4:46pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Joe wrote:i dont believe that i reckon your boss was a bad businessman and his mistake was employing someone like you thats why he went out of business and you lost your job.
keith wrote:No i am not. At the time i was a container driver working for a man who was struggling to keep his business going. The fuel protest was the straw that broke the camels back and this selfish action by farmers and haulers, meant that i was made redundant and lost my job. I have a family and a house.
Joe wrote:i guess you are a refinery worker ?
Yep they got the message across that out of the millions of drivers in this country they only had 15 max turn up out side fawley. The message is you have no support in trying to disrupted peoples lives that have nothing to do with your fight. Your not elected to represent the public and have no rights what so ever to do this.
Do you think i give a hoot about these selfish people that undemocratically destroyed my job and then have the cheek to say they did it for us ?
They have no democratic mandate and where did it get them? no where, got me down to the job center tho.
King Mush, Woolston says...
4:55pm Sun 16 Dec 07
i know best wrote:I think you''ll find that most incoming governments say the same thing across the decades.
You have to blame the tories for the mess the country is in labour are still putting things right that the tories messed up whilst in power for 18 years.
Dont forget that many factors are involved and are affected by the global economy and much more.
We are now in a mess because of the obscene waste of billions out in the Middle East fiasco.
Joe, fawley says...
6:54pm Sun 16 Dec 07
i know best wrote:How pathetic is that post, and clearly no need at all to get personal with someone you know nothing about and drag this place or your self through the gutter.
Joe wrote:i dont believe that i reckon your boss was a bad businessman and his mistake was employing someone like you thats why he went out of business and you lost your job.
keith wrote:No i am not. At the time i was a container driver working for a man who was struggling to keep his business going. The fuel protest was the straw that broke the camels back and this selfish action by farmers and haulers, meant that i was made redundant and lost my job. I have a family and a house.
Joe wrote:i guess you are a refinery worker ?
Yep they got the message across that out of the millions of drivers in this country they only had 15 max turn up out side fawley. The message is you have no support in trying to disrupted peoples lives that have nothing to do with your fight. Your not elected to represent the public and have no rights what so ever to do this.
Do you think i give a hoot about these selfish people that undemocratically destroyed my job and then have the cheek to say they did it for us ?
They have no democratic mandate and where did it get them? no where, got me down to the job center tho.
So his mistake was employing someone who does not believe in a bunch of yobs trying to hold the country to ransom .
i know best, dorset says...
9:17pm Sun 16 Dec 07
you never will make a trucker as long as you have a hole in your ****.
Hiram B Birdbath, says...
9:48pm Sun 16 Dec 07
i know best wrote:For the love of God, give those poor chimps a rest!! Surely they've written enough comedy for you for one weekend?
you never will make a trucker as long as you have a hole in your ****.
i know best, dorset says...
11:00pm Sun 16 Dec 07
shut up hiram you gay.
Hiram B Birdbath, says...
8:23am Mon 17 Dec 07
i know best wrote:Congratulations, you've just completed your journey to 'making-yourself-loo
shut up hiram you gay.
k-utterly-cretinous'
Using the term 'gay' in a manner intended as pejorative towards an individual is pretty much classified as a hate crime these days, whatever the sexuality of the recipient.
Moderators please note this.
Either way, I think what you meant was;
'Shut up hiram, you have a greater command of the English language than me and my group of shaved chimps'.
Gozza, Southampton says...
9:24am Mon 17 Dec 07
Joe wrote:Umm...have you ever read the Echo forum before?
Guys we are adults, right? Can we not have differences in opinions and debate with out acting like children?
Christoff, says...
9:37am Mon 17 Dec 07
Robbie wrote:why on earth should we think of Scotland?...you hate us, we hate you.
well i wish you all would respect Scotland a bit we are paying 120p a litre for diesel and it costs the average person £50-£75 a week on fuel to get to work. now look at how much it was last year when it was 88.9p a litre for diesel and only cost about £40 a week to travel to work. my point is our pay aint going up but our taxes are going up and if it keeps going the way its going alot of us are going to find life very difficult up here. so while you are all arguing about it, think of Scotland does the goverment even think of Scotland at all?? take vehicle taxing. people with 4x4s which we need up here are paying heavy for it £300 now that aint fair i can see the point in citys but not up here in the Highlands. i really do wish Scotland was its own country not joined with England.
Joe, fawley says...
2:53pm Mon 17 Dec 07
Gozza wrote:Yes, i was just hoping for a miracle
Joe wrote:Umm...have you ever read the Echo forum before?
Guys we are adults, right? Can we not have differences in opinions and debate with out acting like children?
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