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2:25pm Friday 1st February 2008
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A HOTEL manageress collapsed in tears after a jury today convicted her of causing the death of a teenage cyclist by dangerous driving at a Southampton junction.
They rejected her claim of 25-year-old Kiera Coultas that she had not been sending a text message to her estranged husband at the time of the crash which happened shortly after 7am on February 7 last year.
Judge Jeremy Burford QC adjourned sentence pending a probation report on February 29. But in extending her bail, he warned that should not be seen as any indication of sentence."Custody is the likely sentence for an offence of this sort."
Southampton Crown Court heard that the accident happened at the junction of Mountbatten Way and West Quay Road. The victim, scaffolder Jordan Wickington had paused at the lights in Mountbatten Way but then cycled through them when they were still red.
He was about two thirds across the junction when he was struck at 45mph by Coultas who was driving out of West Quay Road to see her estranged husband and her young daughter.
The prosecution alleged she had been answering a text message at the time, but she denied it.
The judge ordered Coultas to surrender her passport, not to travel outside England and Wales, and to live at the Fountain Court Hotel in Hythe until sentence. He also imposed an interim disqualification.
An angry soton resident, says...
3:08pm Fri 1 Feb 08
mike, Soton says...
3:12pm Fri 1 Feb 08
John J O'Neill, says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
An angry soton resident wrote:Stop exaggerating you fool.
Both in the wrong but most of all I strongly appose the use of mobile phones behind the wheel without handsfree. The fact that she was sending/reading a text message makes it more serious and she should be made an example of. I'd be a millionaire if I reported every person I'd see with a mobile phone to their ears and received a reward of £1.
Concerned soton driver, says...
3:16pm Fri 1 Feb 08
An angry soton resident wrote:When you say 'made an example of' how severely?
Both in the wrong but most of all I strongly appose the use of mobile phones behind the wheel without handsfree. The fact that she was sending/reading a text message makes it more serious and she should be made an example of. I'd be a millionaire if I reported every person I'd see with a mobile phone to their ears and received a reward of £1.
An angry soton resident, says...
3:18pm Fri 1 Feb 08
isaak hunt, Hare and hounds sniffing coke says...
3:20pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Eric Estrada, says...
3:21pm Fri 1 Feb 08
mike wrote:Spot on. I hope that this a lesson to everyone who makes a call whilst driving and also those who make calls to their friend's or partner's knowing that they will be behind the wheel at the time. Concentrate folks!
This is a tragedy in many ways - the death of a young man and the grief of his nearest and dearest; the possible imprisonment of the driver and the consequent separation from her young daughter. Jail in my view should be the sentence because to send a text while driving is the height of irresponsibility and that is not to mention the fact that she was exceeding the speed limit by a considerable amount. True, the cyclist crossed when the traffic light was red. However, driving is being able to cope with the unexpected and no one can do that when they are not concentrating or are speeding. It is a shame for the motorist that she did not realise earlier that a car is a lethal weapon. There are far too many like Keira Coultas on our roads who only think of themselves. To those who think she should be treated leniently, how would you feel if she had killed your child or partner?
Here we go....., says...
3:22pm Fri 1 Feb 08
To those who think she should be treated leniently, how would you feel if she had killed your child or partner?
Anon, Southmpton says...
3:23pm Fri 1 Feb 08
toxteth o'grady, says...
3:24pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Interesting wrote:Why not ??
Difficult this one. He really shouldn't have jumped the lights and she shouldn't have been reading texts (allegedly). I hope she doesn't receive a custodial sentence.
Meme, Soton says...
3:32pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Anon, says...
3:32pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Bea Smith, Holloway says...
3:36pm Fri 1 Feb 08
?, Soton says...
3:38pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Anon wrote:Umm, so what is the answer?
I agree - this is a difficult one. In a split second, two people similtaneously made the wrong decision, effectively costing both of them their lives. Jordan unfortunately can't live to tell this tale, and Kiera will forever bear the burden of being perhaps more than half responsible for taking away someone elses child. I'm sure Jordan's parents agree that this outcome doesn't help ease their pain as it doesn't bring back their son. Sending Kiera to prison is not the answer. And to make an example out of a young girl who has a young daughter isn't the answer. My thoughts are with both families.
Someone, Somewhere says...
3:50pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Meme wrote:it's not MURDER though!! she may have to live with the guilt that she accidently killed someone, but i hope all the cyclists out there use this as a lesson that they can't and shouldn't jump lights and dis-obey the Highway Code, because lets face it thats what they do and usually get away with it.
As a friend of Jordan's family, I would just like to say I am glad to see justice is being dealt out. Too many people get away with murder these days! Yes, Jordan was wrong to ride through red lights but, she was totally out of line to be texting and speeding. Considering the fact that she already had speeding tickets under her belt, she deserves to be punished. I hope she has learnt her lesson and doesn't abuse the speed limits and law ever again. Will she have her licence taken away? Nothing will bring Jordan back and my heartfelt sympathy is with his family. They have to live with the loss of their son for the rest of their lives. She has to live with the guilt of killing someone.
Anon, says...
3:54pm Fri 1 Feb 08
? wrote:The argument could go and on...what if it was your Mum,your sister or daughter that had killed someone by a momentary lapse in judgement. I'm sure you wouldn't be so quick to argue that she needs to be punished fair and square, thrown in prison, with no sympathy from anyone.
Anon wrote: I agree - this is a difficult one. In a split second, two people similtaneously made the wrong decision, effectively costing both of them their lives. Jordan unfortunately can't live to tell this tale, and Kiera will forever bear the burden of being perhaps more than half responsible for taking away someone elses child. I'm sure Jordan's parents agree that this outcome doesn't help ease their pain as it doesn't bring back their son. Sending Kiera to prison is not the answer. And to make an example out of a young girl who has a young daughter isn't the answer. My thoughts are with both families.Umm, so what is the answer? Should she be left to carry on her life unpunished just because she is a 'young girl who has a young daughter'? What if it had been her daughter who had been killed by a speeding car whilst the driver was otherwise occupied?!!!! Do you think she would want that person to walk away just bearing the burden of their lapse of judgement? I don't think so. Get real. She needs to be punished fair and square. If not, what sort of an example would it be to others hey?
Des Parrot, Strangeways says...
3:56pm Fri 1 Feb 08
toxteth o'grady wrote:Yes she's an arse and should be punished in some way but at the same time had the cyclist obeyed the rules of the road he'd be alive - I'm a cyclist too & a tough lesson, if it's red, you stop - the bright shiny thing coming in the other direction is dangerous, faster than you and has right of way...
Interesting wrote: Difficult this one. He really shouldn't have jumped the lights and she shouldn't have been reading texts (allegedly). I hope she doesn't receive a custodial sentence.Why not ?? Ok the cyclist should not have jumped the red light BUT she was doing 45mph in a 30 AND she was texting at the same time. If she was doing neither then the poor bloke would still be alive simple as. These idiots on mobile phones in cars need to made an example of
John Deed, says...
3:58pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Gozza, Southampton says...
4:01pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Sending Kiera to prison is not the answer.
Dave Prowse, over the road says...
4:05pm Fri 1 Feb 08
If the punishment is a fine and a driving ban, it sends the message - rightly or not - that the offence isn't being taken seriously.
Gozza, Southampton says...
4:07pm Fri 1 Feb 08
this lady could play a major part in preventing others making a similar mistake
John Deed, says...
4:11pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Yep, sending her to prison will get that message out.
Let's not be so weak about this - she didn't make a mistake. Anyone who drives at 1½ times the speed limit "by mistake" shouldn't be driving anyway. And you don't pick up a phone, read a text message and send a reply "by mistake" either. Yes, the cyclist was partly responsible for his own misfortune - but this lady knowingly put other people at risk.
jed, soton says...
4:12pm Fri 1 Feb 08
toxteth o'grady wrote:I do agree but it is very sad for all involved. She didn't set out that morning thinking I am going to kill someone. True she should not have been speeding and she should not have been using her phone (if she was), but the cyclist should not have cut the red light and should have worn a helmet (I know it isn't law, but if we're talking what should and shouldn't be done here?). He paid the ultimate price for his mistake. In response to toxteh o'grady, I agree but I will add that had she not have been speeding and (most likely) to have been on her phone then all the blame would have been on the cyclist..... It is a stark example of why we should all drive carefully and abide to speed limits.
Interesting wrote: Difficult this one. He really shouldn't have jumped the lights and she shouldn't have been reading texts (allegedly). I hope she doesn't receive a custodial sentence.Why not ?? Ok the cyclist should not have jumped the red light BUT she was doing 45mph in a 30 AND she was texting at the same time. If she was doing neither then the poor bloke would still be alive simple as. These idiots on mobile phones in cars need to made an example of
John, London says...
4:17pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Mills, southampton says...
4:25pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Markus Stafford, Southampton/London says...
4:29pm Fri 1 Feb 08
J.Boggis, Southampton says...
4:44pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Markus Stafford wrote:What an absolute ridiculously one-sided view. There is no such thing as an accident.This stupid woman took somebody elses life because both people's actions resulted in one being dead the other one doing the killing! The young guy paid the ultimate price for his actions - this woman should certainly pay a heavy price for hers.
I am utterly disguted at today\'s outcome. For those that have already commented, i say this especially to you. Firstly, it is with great upset that someone has lost their life. But having to blame someone, i.e the defendant, is surely not the answer. If any of you attended the court, you would know that evidence given by both parties, plus the statements made by a mobile telephone network and mobile phone giant, the sending of a text and the delivery of the message, among other things, did not add up. Is that what we do now in this country - just find someone to blame and that will take the pain away from the grieving family or the young, mother who had to take the wrap?! Are we really becoming more and more like the United States? This really has made a mockery of the British Justice System. My heart goes out to Keira.
steve-o, Southampton says...
4:47pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Replier, soton says...
4:50pm Fri 1 Feb 08
billy whizz, dodging traffic says...
4:52pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Gregail, Sarisbury says...
5:02pm Fri 1 Feb 08
toxteth o'grady, says...
5:08pm Fri 1 Feb 08
steve-o wrote:It's certianly NOT catch 22 !!
This is a difficult one, if she hadn't been texting or speeding she would of still hit the cyclist as he went through the red light. This is a bug bite of mine. How many times have I been sat at the lights for a cyclist to cycle up the inside and straight through the lights or up on the pavement to avert the lights! All of that said she was in the wrong for texting and speeding so it's catch 22. Yes punish her for these offences but the sentence should take into consideration the cyclists part in the accident.
suhatra, iran says...
5:28pm Fri 1 Feb 08
laura cooke, eastleigh says...
5:30pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Emma, Southamton says...
5:32pm Fri 1 Feb 08
laura cooke, eastleigh says...
5:37pm Fri 1 Feb 08
John Deed wrote:I doubt most people would of forgotten this case. If keira felt guilty then why would she lie in court about the tragic incident. Having speeding fines under her belt has obviously not taught her a lesson as she was speeding again when a life was taking. So she should go to prison as she is not learning by her speeding mistakes from the past.
Yep, sending her to prison will get that message out. Let\'s not be so weak about this - she didn\'t make a mistake. Anyone who drives at 1½ times the speed limit \"by mistake\" shouldn\'t be driving anyway. And you don\'t pick up a phone, read a text message and send a reply \"by mistake\" either. Yes, the cyclist was partly responsible for his own misfortune - but this lady knowingly put other people at risk.By your definition she too was only partly at fault. Sending people to jail is the easiest option. In two weeks time most people would have forgotton about this case! Where is the lesson there?
laura cooke, Eastleigh says...
5:43pm Fri 1 Feb 08
J.Boggis wrote:obviously your are a relative or a friend of the defendant if you were in the court and have this view, I feel no sympathy for that women! again i remind everyone, she had previous convictions of speeding. As for the mobile phone, the evidence did not add up due to the fact she was lying in court!
Markus Stafford wrote: I am utterly disguted at today\'s outcome. For those that have already commented, i say this especially to you. Firstly, it is with great upset that someone has lost their life. But having to blame someone, i.e the defendant, is surely not the answer. If any of you attended the court, you would know that evidence given by both parties, plus the statements made by a mobile telephone network and mobile phone giant, the sending of a text and the delivery of the message, among other things, did not add up. Is that what we do now in this country - just find someone to blame and that will take the pain away from the grieving family or the young, mother who had to take the wrap?! Are we really becoming more and more like the United States? This really has made a mockery of the British Justice System. My heart goes out to Keira.What an absolute ridiculously one-sided view. There is no such thing as an accident.This stupid woman took somebody elses life because both people's actions resulted in one being dead the other one doing the killing! The young guy paid the ultimate price for his actions - this woman should certainly pay a heavy price for hers.
Mike, Soton says...
5:49pm Fri 1 Feb 08
RP, Southampton says...
6:03pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Paul, Florida says...
6:05pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Back homeindeed: not likely, mates. This is home!)
Bushy, Winchester says...
6:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
shawn, hamble says...
6:23pm Fri 1 Feb 08
blah, 417-364 says...
6:30pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Misanthrope, says...
6:35pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Derek, Dibden Purlieu says...
6:47pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Don't really care for the views of a yank.
rather than that back home in the UK.
pjn, says...
6:48pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Interesting wrote:No, it's not difficult. Not only was she doing 45 in a 30, she was also texting which is even more diverting than speaking on the phone while driving. Most cyclists are also car drivers so please stop this absurd "us and them" which is encouraged by journalists such as Jeremy Clarkson (remember that's how he makes his money). It's also absurd to say that "most" cyclists jump red lights. You have to backup quotes like that with proof to make you appear any more than an ignorant prat. Car drivers have a responsibility and in this case it was not taken seriously.
Difficult this one. He really shouldn't have jumped the lights and she shouldn't have been reading texts (allegedly). I hope she doesn't receive a custodial sentence.
The Jury., Southampton. says...
6:54pm Fri 1 Feb 08
The Jury, Southampton. says...
7:00pm Fri 1 Feb 08
helhod, tenerife says...
7:00pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Paul, Florida says...
7:10pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Derek wrote:Thank you, Derek.
Don't really care for the views of a yank.Perhaps browsing through the post again might reveal a few clues that will lead you to understand that the gentleman is originally from the UK. Here's some help :-rather than that back home in the UK.
jon o, soton says...
7:15pm Fri 1 Feb 08
pjn, says...
7:22pm Fri 1 Feb 08
jon o wrote:Is it just me? She wasn't just driving through a green light she was doing 50% over the speed limit AND sending a text message. Combined, these two make a very dangerous driver. End of story.
The lad lost his life for cycling thorugh a red light. The majority here seem to want to destroy another life becasue the lady was driving through a GREEN light. Cyclists dont seem to think the law of the road applies to them but they dont have a license that can be taken away. I often rode my bike through a red light but made sure nothing was coming as i would obviously not expect the motorist to be locked up for my wrong doing (i took responsibility for my actions) Its is a terrible tragedy but the fact is simple. The chap rode through a RED light. The lady drove through a GREEN light. I definately dont think that a custodial sentance helps anyone. it wont make me feel safer in the community even when riding my bike into West Quay on a saturday. 9which will probably be quicker these days with the soton council desperately trying to make sure no one drives any where any more. Perhaps MORE traffic lights will help...
Bushy, Winchester says...
7:27pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Misanthrope wrote:The cyclist is not required to take a test and is unlikely to travel much over 30 mph.
Cyclists are always jumping red lights and if the cyclist in this case hadn't disregarded the rules of the road he would still be alive. Equal stupidity on the part of both people, I think.
Injured, Southampton says...
7:34pm Fri 1 Feb 08
oy!, SOTON says...
7:41pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Injured wrote:His name is JORDAN !!
Until they prevent mobiles from receiving signals within cars that have the engine on (yes, it is possible), people who cause death, accidents or are simply caught using their mobile while driving should be imprisoned without question. That is the only penalty which will hopefully make idiots like Coultas realise how serious such offences are. Yes, she was speeding, but perhaps she could have braked or swerved if she hadn't been looking at the her mobile screen. Yes, Jason went through red lights on his bicycle, but I think the law states that the responsibility to try and stop belongs to the driver who sees a person or vehicle in front of them. Finally, I was involved in an accident eight years ago when it was still legal to use a mobile while driving - although driving without due care and attention was the offence. I was lucky. I escaped with my life. But I received a permanent and partially degenerative injury that will remain with me until the end of my life - which could be another 40 or 50 years based on current averages. The driver? She was fined and lost her no claims discount. No comparison between what she suffered and what I still suffer!
Susan Ryan, netley says...
8:09pm Fri 1 Feb 08
kim, Southampton says...
8:17pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Laura Wickington, Soton says...
8:21pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Grim reaper, Hell says...
8:27pm Fri 1 Feb 08
happy_days, whiteley says...
8:37pm Fri 1 Feb 08
aj, says...
8:37pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Mark, Northumberland says...
8:38pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Interesting wrote:I do hope she goes to prison for a long time. Some motorists are arrogant thinking they can get away with breaking speed limits, using mobile phones, and killing people in the process. People like her should be charged with manslaughter.
Difficult this one. He really shouldn\'t have jumped the lights and she shouldn\'t have been reading texts (allegedly). I hope she doesn\'t receive a custodial sentence.
anon, Soton says...
9:01pm Fri 1 Feb 08
kim, Southampton says...
9:03pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Squashme, London says...
9:12pm Fri 1 Feb 08
kim wrote:
I agree with jon o on this one, had the lad not gone through the red light he would still be here now.All this case has done is given the ok for cyclist to do what they want.I wonder how many of you people out there who have been going on about the use of mobile phones when driving use satnavs when driving.
Old Git, soton says...
9:18pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Here we go..... wrote:A decent human being lost his life, because a tw*t was too busy to notice him. Texting whilst 'driving'! And your problem is, d*ckhead?
To those who think she should be treated leniently, how would you feel if she had killed your child or partner?Another hypothetical emtionally charged statement, why do people feel compelled to put this weak nonsense at the end of their posts to try and add weight to their point/argument.
Old Git, soton says...
9:32pm Fri 1 Feb 08
L, La La Land says...
9:57pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Car driver and cyclist, Southampton says...
9:57pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Gregail wrote:
It's unbelievable that people are defending this woman. She was speeding and simultaneously texting on a mobile phone - she broke the law, pure and simple, and someone died. The lad who died was an idiot for going through a red light, but it's a fact he'd probably be alive today if the defendant hadn't displayed such an arrogant disregard for the law.
toxteth o'grady, says...
10:01pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Paul wrote:With views like that, the great old U S of A are very welcome to you..please dont hurry home - you stay in your gun toting getto.
One of the things that REALLY enforces my utter lack of desire to live back in the UK again is the constant self-righteous indignation by a nanny-state of wanton, erst-while individuals. What I mean by this is all the drivel about her texting when the emphasis should be put upon the idiot that jumped the red light! It was HIS decision to ignore the signal and it is his fate to accept the consequences of his arrogance. I've lived here for nigh on 30 years and guess what? I don't know of one single accident caused by cell phone usage. Now, that's not to say it doesn't happen and we all get annoyed here by those pootling along below the speed limit whilst yakking on the phone but maybe that's the point? People here take responsibility for themselves as opposed to relying on the nanny state to do everything for them. And that's why we have such a better standard of living and life here rather than that back home in the UK. (Back homeindeed: not likely, mates. This is home!)
Old Git, Soton says...
10:15pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Squashme, London says...
10:28pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Paul wrote:Paul says:-
One of the things that REALLY enforces my utter lack of desire to live back in the UK again is the constant self-righteous indignation by a nanny-state of wanton, erst-while individuals. What I mean by this is all the drivel about her texting when the emphasis should be put upon the idiot that jumped the red light! It was HIS decision to ignore the signal and it is his fate to accept the consequences of his arrogance.
I've lived here for nigh on 30 years and guess what? I don't know of one single accident caused by cell phone usage. Now, that's not to say it doesn't happen and we all get annoyed here by those pootling along below the speed limit whilst yakking on the phone but maybe that's the point? People here take responsibility for themselves as opposed to relying on the nanny state to do everything for them.
And that's why we have such a better standard of living and life here rather than that back home in the UK. (Back homeindeed: not likely, mates. This is home!)
bsingh, southampton says...
10:48pm Fri 1 Feb 08
bsingh, southampton says...
10:50pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Laura Wickington wrote:i agree 100% ,sorry for your loss
I am Jordan\'s sister and I would like to say my piece.
Firstly, thank you to the majority of you for your kind words and support.
Secondly, we accept Jord went through red lights which was wrong but, he stopped, twice!
none of you know the full story. I would like to say that, in the case of Miss Coultas, from personally sitting in the court and watching her, she has never shown any remorse or regret for her actions. She has shown no respect or dignity towards my family and has never apologised.
We are happy that a custodial sentence has been suggested as we are fed up that the justice system lets people get away with far too much.
Please keep your negative comments about Jordan off this site and respect my family\'s privacy.
Martin, Bristol says...
10:54pm Fri 1 Feb 08
John Deed wrote:So you think driving a two ton car at 1.5 times the speed limit whilst texting is not a violent crime.
She should be punished but not sent to jail. Lets try and be a little more creative with sentencing. I would far rather our prison places be available for perpetrators of violent crimes and paedophiles. We lock too many people up we should concentrate on education, this lady could play a major part in preventing others making a similar mistake (Car drivers and cylists)
kim, Southampton says...
10:55pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Martin, Bristol. says...
11:11pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Jed wrote ...but the cyclist should not have cut the red light and should have worn a helmet (I know it isn't law, but if we're talking what should and shouldn't be done here?).
Old Git, Earth says...
11:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
kim wrote:Please join Paul in America. Trust me, you would fit in. Don't try to think about it, just go!
To Squashme of London,I dont think this case will make any difference to cyclist because they dont seem to care how they ride, most in this city seem to ride anywhere but on the road even though we have lots of cycle lanes.As the lad was supposed to have stopped a few time going across the junction I dont see how he even got hit by a car,because no matter how fast the car was going he should have seen it unless the weather was really bad that day ie very heavy rain.This is something that hasnt been said in the media.The trouble with the press is we the public only hear part of the story.
Leemings, Soton says...
11:19pm Fri 1 Feb 08
forest hump, forest says...
11:24pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Laura cooke, Eastleigh says...
11:24pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Paul wrote:Many people have lost a family member and a friend and it infuriates me when people come onto this website and comment and calling someone so brilliant an idiot. Well maybe it was not just the texting, but if you are looking down at your phone, then obviously you are not keeping an eye on the road. And if you haven't already read the comments she has had 2 speeding convictions and she was speeding when she hit Jordan. So I beleive you are the idiot as you so well put it as you haven't got a clue what you are talking about!!
One of the things that REALLY enforces my utter lack of desire to live back in the UK again is the constant self-righteous indignation by a nanny-state of wanton, erst-while individuals. What I mean by this is all the drivel about her texting when the emphasis should be put upon the idiot that jumped the red light! It was HIS decision to ignore the signal and it is his fate to accept the consequences of his arrogance. I've lived here for nigh on 30 years and guess what? I don't know of one single accident caused by cell phone usage. Now, that's not to say it doesn't happen and we all get annoyed here by those pootling along below the speed limit whilst yakking on the phone but maybe that's the point? People here take responsibility for themselves as opposed to relying on the nanny state to do everything for them. And that's why we have such a better standard of living and life here rather than that back home in the UK. (Back homeindeed: not likely, mates. This is home!)
Laura cooke, Eastleigh says...
11:27pm Fri 1 Feb 08
bsingh wrote:I agree completely. it seems that miss coultas had no remorse. sorry for your loss.
Laura Wickington wrote: I am Jordan\'s sister and I would like to say my piece. Firstly, thank you to the majority of you for your kind words and support. Secondly, we accept Jord went through red lights which was wrong but, he stopped, twice! none of you know the full story. I would like to say that, in the case of Miss Coultas, from personally sitting in the court and watching her, she has never shown any remorse or regret for her actions. She has shown no respect or dignity towards my family and has never apologised. We are happy that a custodial sentence has been suggested as we are fed up that the justice system lets people get away with far too much. Please keep your negative comments about Jordan off this site and respect my family\'s privacy.i agree 100% ,sorry for your loss
Derek, Dibden Purlieu says...
11:28pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Bushy wrote:As is usual with the poorly educated, the loss of an argument results in recourse to shouting, bad language and violence.
Misanthrope wrote:The cyclist is not required to take a test and is unlikely to travel much over 30 mph.
Cyclists are always jumping red lights and if the cyclist in this case hadn't disregarded the rules of the road he would still be alive. Equal stupidity on the part of both people, I think.
As for the yank, see you've picked up the 'gob', but you are really not worth the discussion. This is a thread about a woman mowing a cyclist over, not about you, your views, your ego or small penis, so please go and **** yourself ;-)
laura, E says...
11:35pm Fri 1 Feb 08
kim wrote:I have a relative that went to the court. And the driver did not see him because she was using her phone. Now do you seem how he got hit.
To Squashme of London,I dont think this case will make any difference to cyclist because they dont seem to care how they ride, most in this city seem to ride anywhere but on the road even though we have lots of cycle lanes.As the lad was supposed to have stopped a few time going across the junction I dont see how he even got hit by a car,because no matter how fast the car was going he should have seen it unless the weather was really bad that day ie very heavy rain.This is something that hasnt been said in the media.The trouble with the press is we the public only hear part of the story.
Laura cooke, eastleigh says...
11:40pm Fri 1 Feb 08
forest hump wrote:No she should go to prison, she seemed to show no remorse in court as she lied in court and claimed she was not guilty!! so yes both parties may be guilty as jordan should not have gone through a red light but he has had his life taken away from him at such a younh age and anyone who knew him would know his life did not deserve to be taken, he has paid the price, so should she, maybe she will realise what she has done when she is in a cell hopefully rotting away. however I do feel sorry for the womens little girl as she is being punished for her mothers stupid mistakes!!!!
Exceeding the speed limit is an offence. Allegedly, using a cellphone whilst driving is an offence. Ignoring and passing through a red light is an offence. In otherwords, both parties were culpable. How can this be judged? Both parties were guilty! Sadly,one has paid the ultimate penalty. The only question is: what should the other pay? Prison is probably not the answer. It will acheive very little. Take away priveleges: cars and cellphones for a long period!
Kim, Southampton says...
11:44pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Old Git, Soton says...
11:46pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Derek wrote:I'm educated (BSc and MSc), but I shout occasionally, use 'bad' language here and there, and I'm not a pacifist. I guess I contradict your views. Again, if youre driving a car, you must be aware of whats on the road ahead. That doesnt need education; it needs common sense and respect for others.
Bushy wrote:As is usual with the poorly educated, the loss of an argument results in recourse to shouting, bad language and violence.Misanthrope wrote: Cyclists are always jumping red lights and if the cyclist in this case hadn't disregarded the rules of the road he would still be alive. Equal stupidity on the part of both people, I think.The cyclist is not required to take a test and is unlikely to travel much over 30 mph. As for the yank, see you've picked up the 'gob', but you are really not worth the discussion. This is a thread about a woman mowing a cyclist over, not about you, your views, your ego or small penis, so please go and **** yourself ;-)
forest hump, forest says...
11:50pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Laura cooke wrote:That's right. I did not know him.I am not suggesting I did! Life is about taking risks and making judgements. I am not defending the driver but do you not htink that ignoring a red light is taking a risk? QED
forest hump wrote: Exceeding the speed limit is an offence. Allegedly, using a cellphone whilst driving is an offence. Ignoring and passing through a red light is an offence. In otherwords, both parties were culpable. How can this be judged? Both parties were guilty! Sadly,one has paid the ultimate penalty. The only question is: what should the other pay? Prison is probably not the answer. It will acheive very little. Take away priveleges: cars and cellphones for a long period!No she should go to prison, she seemed to show no remorse in court as she lied in court and claimed she was not guilty!! so yes both parties may be guilty as jordan should not have gone through a red light but he has had his life taken away from him at such a younh age and anyone who knew him would know his life did not deserve to be taken, he has paid the price, so should she, maybe she will realise what she has done when she is in a cell hopefully rotting away. however I do feel sorry for the womens little girl as she is being punished for her mothers stupid mistakes!!!!
laura cooke, eastleigh says...
12:14am Sat 2 Feb 08
forest hump wrote:of course it is and do you not think that his family and friends see that mistake??? his family and friends have had to deal with a huge loss. he made one mistake where as she made 2 big ones using her phone whilst speeding. In your opinion you say the driver should not go to prison as it will acheive little, I think whilst in prison she will realise the consquences of what she has done and feel remorse for it.
Laura cooke wrote:That\'s right. I did not know him.I am not suggesting I did! Life is about taking risks and making judgements. I am not defending the driver but do you not htink that ignoring a red light is taking a risk? QEDforest hump wrote: Exceeding the speed limit is an offence. Allegedly, using a cellphone whilst driving is an offence. Ignoring and passing through a red light is an offence. In otherwords, both parties were culpable. How can this be judged? Both parties were guilty! Sadly,one has paid the ultimate penalty. The only question is: what should the other pay? Prison is probably not the answer. It will acheive very little. Take away priveleges: cars and cellphones for a long period!No she should go to prison, she seemed to show no remorse in court as she lied in court and claimed she was not guilty!! so yes both parties may be guilty as jordan should not have gone through a red light but he has had his life taken away from him at such a younh age and anyone who knew him would know his life did not deserve to be taken, he has paid the price, so should she, maybe she will realise what she has done when she is in a cell hopefully rotting away. however I do feel sorry for the womens little girl as she is being punished for her mothers stupid mistakes!!!!
becci, portsmouth says...
12:15am Sat 2 Feb 08
becci, portsmouth says...
12:19am Sat 2 Feb 08
laura cooke wrote:well sed hun
forest hump wrote:of course it is and do you not think that his family and friends see that mistake??? his family and friends have had to deal with a huge loss. he made one mistake where as she made 2 big ones using her phone whilst speeding. In your opinion you say the driver should not go to prison as it will acheive little, I think whilst in prison she will realise the consquences of what she has done and feel remorse for it.Laura cooke wrote:That\\\'s right. I did not know him.I am not suggesting I did! Life is about taking risks and making judgements. I am not defending the driver but do you not htink that ignoring a red light is taking a risk? QEDforest hump wrote: Exceeding the speed limit is an offence. Allegedly, using a cellphone whilst driving is an offence. Ignoring and passing through a red light is an offence. In otherwords, both parties were culpable. How can this be judged? Both parties were guilty! Sadly,one has paid the ultimate penalty. The only question is: what should the other pay? Prison is probably not the answer. It will acheive very little. Take away priveleges: cars and cellphones for a long period!No she should go to prison, she seemed to show no remorse in court as she lied in court and claimed she was not guilty!! so yes both parties may be guilty as jordan should not have gone through a red light but he has had his life taken away from him at such a younh age and anyone who knew him would know his life did not deserve to be taken, he has paid the price, so should she, maybe she will realise what she has done when she is in a cell hopefully rotting away. however I do feel sorry for the womens little girl as she is being punished for her mothers stupid mistakes!!!!
Amanda Erwin, London says...
12:22am Sat 2 Feb 08
Emma, portsmouth (rat city) says...
12:25am Sat 2 Feb 08
Emma, Portsmouth (rat city) says...
12:36am Sat 2 Feb 08
Donna (speechless), South Shields says...
12:37am Sat 2 Feb 08
Amanda Erwin, London says...
12:41am Sat 2 Feb 08
Emma wrote:Yes i am a muppet!! I know the law fool and i know it is about 4 yrs max for this kind of crime. My suggestion of 10 years is because i know 1st hand what it is like to suffer. I lost my husband to an idiot like her who thought it was ok to be doing 90mph in a 30mph zone. Yes so sue me. If i say 10 years it is NOTHING to what she deserves. So fk you
Amanda Erwin of London,dont be a muppet you dont get 10 years if you go out and stab someone in this neck of the woods its about 18 months or in one case in the Southampton area a few months back,let off.
me, southampton says...
1:14am Sat 2 Feb 08
Meme wrote:i am sorry for your loss but this was not "murder" this was a tragic accident and yes she was speeding and texting - vry irresponsible so she should be banned from getting behind the wheel for good but its not like she killed this man on purpose! murder is when a human being kils another human being intentionally outting thaught into it first, at most this is manslaughter but personally i think its a case of wreckless driving - give her community service and put child moesters and real murderers in jail!
As a friend of Jordan\'s family, I would just like to say I am glad to see justice is being dealt out. Too many people get away with murder these days! Yes, Jordan was wrong to ride through red lights but, she was totally out of line to be texting and speeding. Considering the fact that she already had speeding tickets under her belt, she deserves to be punished. I hope she has learnt her lesson and doesn\'t abuse the speed limits and law ever again. Will she have her licence taken away? Nothing will bring Jordan back and my heartfelt sympathy is with his family. They have to live with the loss of their son for the rest of their lives. She has to live with the guilt of killing someone.
Emma, Portsmouth (rat city) says...
1:19am Sat 2 Feb 08
Emma, Portsmouth (rat city) says...
1:25am Sat 2 Feb 08
Know it all, Southampton says...
4:00am Sat 2 Feb 08
toxteth o'grady wrote:Actually it's 40mph in that area. Still 5mph over the speed limit though!
Interesting wrote: Difficult this one. He really shouldn't have jumped the lights and she shouldn't have been reading texts (allegedly). I hope she doesn't receive a custodial sentence.Why not ?? Ok the cyclist should not have jumped the red light BUT she was doing 45mph in a 30 AND she was texting at the same time. If she was doing neither then the poor bloke would still be alive simple as. These idiots on mobile phones in cars need to made an example of
longman, colorado says...
6:05am Sat 2 Feb 08
Paul wrote:you have got to be joking... The American way is to blame someone else and take no responsibility for anything that happens, whether it's a car crash or burning yourself on a cup of hot coffee...it's always someone elses fault. Noone here relies on the nanny state to do anything for them, they rely on lawyers to blame the other person and get a settlement
One of the things that REALLY enforces my utter lack of desire to live back in the UK again is the constant self-righteous indignation by a nanny-state of wanton, erst-while individuals. What I mean by this is all the drivel about her texting when the emphasis should be put upon the idiot that jumped the red light! It was HIS decision to ignore the signal and it is his fate to accept the consequences of his arrogance. I've lived here for nigh on 30 years and guess what? I don't know of one single accident caused by cell phone usage. Now, that's not to say it doesn't happen and we all get annoyed here by those pootling along below the speed limit whilst yakking on the phone but maybe that's the point? People here take responsibility for themselves as opposed to relying on the nanny state to do everything for them. And that's why we have such a better standard of living and life here rather than that back home in the UK. (Back homeindeed: not likely, mates. This is home!)
anon, southampton says...
8:13am Sat 2 Feb 08
Sue, Southampton says...
8:25am Sat 2 Feb 08
Dave, Southampton says...
8:26am Sat 2 Feb 08
anon, B'mouth says...
9:23am Sat 2 Feb 08
english not british, england says...
10:25am Sat 2 Feb 08
anon wrote:here fckin here!
Seriously, i think you're all being a bit heavy handed. Both were in wrong place at wrong time, i bet all of you have used your mobiles at one point or another and i know all of you have been speeding! who doesn't, she was just caught doing what we all do because Jordan jumped the lights. I can't imagine what she must be feeling, the guilt must be killing her.
hellie bellie, b/p and canaries says...
10:32am Sat 2 Feb 08
anon soton, soton says...
10:46am Sat 2 Feb 08
Squashme, London says...
11:15am Sat 2 Feb 08
me wrote:This was no true "accident". It was arrogant, self-centred carelessness. The car-driver knew that she was doing wrong by speeding, as she had been in trouble for it before. She must have known that using a mobile phone while driving was illegal. There has been enough publicity. "Tragic accident"! Tragic for the cyclist. He has over-paid for breaking the law. Let the motorist pay. Too often drivers are protected from the foreseeable consequences of their actions, by this pretence of "accident".
Meme wrote:i am sorry for your loss but this was not \"murder\" this was a tragic accident and yes she was speeding and texting - vry irresponsible so she should be banned from getting behind the wheel for good but its not like she killed this man on purpose! murder is when a human being kils another human being intentionally outting thaught into it first, at most this is manslaughter but personally i think its a case of wreckless driving - give her community service and put child moesters and real murderers in jail!
As a friend of Jordan\\\'s family, I would just like to say I am glad to see justice is being dealt out. Too many people get away with murder these days! Yes, Jordan was wrong to ride through red lights but, she was totally out of line to be texting and speeding. Considering the fact that she already had speeding tickets under her belt, she deserves to be punished. I hope she has learnt her lesson and doesn\\\'t abuse the speed limits and law ever again. Will she have her licence taken away? Nothing will bring Jordan back and my heartfelt sympathy is with his family. They have to live with the loss of their son for the rest of their lives. She has to live with the guilt of killing someone.
Squashme, London says...
11:36am Sat 2 Feb 08
anon wrote:
Seriously, i think you're all being a bit heavy handed. Both were in wrong place at wrong time, i bet all of you have used your mobiles at one point or another and i know all of you have been speeding! who doesn't, she was just caught doing what we all do because Jordan jumped the lights. I can't imagine what she must be feeling, the guilt must be killing her.
Squashme, London says...
12:28pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Know it all wrote:The motorist disagrees with you.
toxteth o\'grady wrote:Actually it\'s 40mph in that area. Still 5mph over the speed limit though!Interesting wrote: Difficult this one. He really shouldn\'t have jumped the lights and she shouldn\'t have been reading texts (allegedly). I hope she doesn\'t receive a custodial sentence.Why not ?? Ok the cyclist should not have jumped the red light BUT she was doing 45mph in a 30 AND she was texting at the same time. If she was doing neither then the poor bloke would still be alive simple as. These idiots on mobile phones in cars need to made an example of
Gerry Jackson, Brighton says...
12:45pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Bushy wrote:Seconded. She took a life while engaging in illegal, selfish and downright dangerous actions, with previous for similar offences, then lied to the court about her culpability.
Misanthrope wrote:The cyclist is not required to take a test and is unlikely to travel much over 30 mph.
Cyclists are always jumping red lights and if the cyclist in this case hadn't disregarded the rules of the road he would still be alive. Equal stupidity on the part of both people, I think.
As for the yank, see you've picked up the 'gob', but you are really not worth the discussion. This is a thread about a woman mowing a cyclist over, not about you, your views, your ego or small penis, so please go and **** yourself ;-)
southampton resident, says...
1:01pm Sat 2 Feb 08
wheres-me-shirt, Southampton says...
1:48pm Sat 2 Feb 08
rosie, runs in the family says...
2:09pm Sat 2 Feb 08
James sterland, Forfar says...
4:32pm Sat 2 Feb 08
concerned driver and cyclist, Cumbria says...
4:37pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Mr Jenkins told jurors she was sending a message back when the accident occurred.
"Although she was going through green lights, we suggest she was doing that in excess of the speed limit, something like 40 -45mph which is quite dangerous.
"If she was doing that and texting, that is certainly dangerous because she wasn't looking ahead."
Martin, Bristol says...
4:49pm Sat 2 Feb 08
southampton resident wrote:You think that the cyclist deserved to be killed because he jumped a red light?
I think the key phrase here is that the cyclist jumped the red light? Therefore entirely his own fault.
While not condoning mobile phone users at the wheel, I would hope this is taken into account at sentencing?
If not, does this mean that these anti-social idiots on bikes who already think they are above the law, can ignore traffic lights in the knowledge the other driver will be blamed if there is an accident.
I would not hesitate to detain any cyclist who caused an accident which I witnessed until the police arrived.
Martin, Bristol says...
5:09pm Sat 2 Feb 08
concerned driver and cyclist wrote:
1. He CHOSE to ride on a dual carriageway and not the cycle path provided by the railway.
2. He CHOSE not to wear a cycle helmet, possibly leading to greater injury. As a scaffolder was he not more aware than most of the need to wear head protection?
How many other drivers have been caught exceeding the limit, without having accidents?
emily, uk says...
6:29pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Keoni, Southampton says...
6:37pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Paul, (Good ol')USA says...
8:25pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Gerry Jackson wrote:Both really. Utter disdain for the tone and attitude of most of the local respondants and simply a rant to appease my own ego and infatile body parts, to paraphrase the classic retort from Bushy.
Bushy wrote:Seconded. She took a life while engaging in illegal, selfish and downright dangerous actions, with previous for similar offences, then lied to the court about her culpability. As for the ex-pat Yank, obviously one of those people who regard their cars as their castles and the peasants better get out of the way...Was he actually commenting on the story or letting us know how wonderful his life is in the good old USofA???Misanthrope wrote: Cyclists are always jumping red lights and if the cyclist in this case hadn't disregarded the rules of the road he would still be alive. Equal stupidity on the part of both people, I think.The cyclist is not required to take a test and is unlikely to travel much over 30 mph. As for the yank, see you've picked up the 'gob', but you are really not worth the discussion. This is a thread about a woman mowing a cyclist over, not about you, your views, your ego or small penis, so please go and **** yourself ;-)
Martin, Bristol says...
8:25pm Sat 2 Feb 08
laura cooke, eastleigh says...
9:10pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Dave wrote:well if you are talking about jordans sister than have some respect loser
The worst thing in this case was the nauseating "statement" read out by the female relative outside the court. Why do attention seeking dimbos like her persist in taking advantage of these sort of incidents ? The only reason I can think of is to get themselves on "telly".
Mike, Southampton. says...
9:14pm Sat 2 Feb 08
laura cooke, eastleigh says...
9:17pm Sat 2 Feb 08
emily wrote:how dare you. maybe the media did pick out the juicy bits as you so put it, but if you read the comments carefully she has had 3 speeding offences and was using her phone. Maybe she wouldn't have to face prison if she did not do the crime. Its not only that fact she killed this young lad its the fact that she obviously does not learn from her mistakes from speeding the first, second or even the third time. Maybe she will learn her lessons by going to prison for killing a lad at such a young age. I personally knew this lad and it hasn't been easy on any of his friends or family. people like you make me sick!!!!
I have read lots of these comments and what i am going to ask is have any of you actually been through this?? I know a young man has died and his family truly devastated BUT do you honestly beleive this wont of affected Kiera and her family. I am speaking from experience and it is true the media do not tell the whole truth they pick out the juicy bits and print them. Kiera was obviously advised to plead NOT GUILTY and that advice would of been given by a barrister. I don\'t see what good it is going to do anyone her going to jail but in order to appease the family that will be the sentence. Unless you have actually experienced any of this then keep you pathetic comments to yourself. As someone said HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WAS A MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY SHE KILLED well let me ask you HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WAS A MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY FACING A PRISON SENTENCE??? everyone is so easy to judge well let me tell you never say never because i honestly thought i would never be sat in my position and im sure Keira\'s family thought the same way as me. My message to Kiera is try not to worry hun as bad as it is not going to be as bad as you think. Those commenting on this site don\'t know how it feels and lets hope they never have to.
Squashme, London says...
9:23pm Sat 2 Feb 08
concerned driver and cyclist wrote:"Concerned" driver and cyclist wrote:
It is most unfortunate for all concerned that this young man met his death, but somehow his death has led to the driver being somehow more culpable than had he survived. He has not accidentally come into conflict with the driver - he made a series of conscious decisions, accepted risks, and now he isn\'t around to face up to the consequences, the driver is taking ALL the blame. 1. He CHOSE to ride on a dual carriageway and not the cycle path provided by the railway. 2. He CHOSE not to wear a cycle helmet, possibly leading to greater injury. As a scaffolder was he not more aware than most of the need to wear head protection? 3. He CHOSE to jump a red light, and possibly failed to see or hear the vehicle into whose path he strayed. Much has been made of the speed involved - but both roads are dual carriageways, which are often 70 mph. The 30 mph is an figure which is supposed to be the maximum SAFE limit for this road. How many other drivers have been caught exceeding the limit, without having accidents? It appears to me the only thing which made this driver\'s SPEED unsafe was the presence of Jordan on his bike, after he jumped a red light. Much has been made too of the possibility of the driver texting. Could somebody explain how she managed to drive at 45 mph, and negotiate the curve leading into the junction without hitting other vehicles or simply driving off the road? What really concerns me is that the prosecutor does not actually seem to have firm evidence that she WAS texting...Mr Jenkins told jurors she was sending a message back when the accident occurred. \"Although she was going through green lights, we suggest she was doing that in excess of the speed limit, something like 40 -45mph which is quite dangerous. \"If she was doing that and texting, that is certainly dangerous because she wasn\'t looking ahead.\"IF? I thought from comments I have read here that it was 100% certainty! In asking that the driver is \"made an example of\" I suggest that what you are asking is that she receives a punishment far in excess of what she deserves, simply to appease your own grief or anger. I hope the judge is not so shallow! Finally to those that say speeding is as dangerous as carrying a loaded gun, then jumping a red light is like pulling the trigger when the safety catch is off. I\'m sorry but that is a sad fact which the family will have to live with.
emily, uk says...
9:25pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Martin wrote:so tell me WHAT is anyone going to achieve by Keira going to prison. You are all so pathetic. So is it the fact that you have never sped or the fact you have never been caught. Keira has to live with this for the rest of her life that is punishment in herself. Im not sayin she shouldnt be punished in some way but can you honestly answer me as to what good prison will do. I am sorry if i offend you but you would think quiet differently if it was one of your own family who was facing this. I have been on both sides of the fence so can comment on both sides. Jail wont solve anything its not like she is going to drive around looking for someone to kill is she, its not going to bring the young lad back. If you look at the news something like this happens every single day if she had tuned in her radio or reached for a drink would there still of been the same response. Belive me it could happen to any one of you so at least show some compassion.
Emily, Keira is hopefully going to be jailed because she killed someone. She had received several prior FPNs for speeding, yet did not learn her lesson, and continued to drive recklessly. The previous fines did not work, so jail is the only answer, and it will hopefully set an example to other reckless drivers.
emily, uk says...
9:33pm Sat 2 Feb 08
laura cooke wrote:I dare because i have experienced unlike your self who is just having your two penneth in. Yes she had 3 sppeding tickets but as i have read he went through a red light and was not wearing a protective helmet Keira didn't go out that morning to have an accident, and the harsh reality of life is it aint gonna bring the young lad back what is anyone going to gain and i have to add that its PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK
emily wrote: I have read lots of these comments and what i am going to ask is have any of you actually been through this?? I know a young man has died and his family truly devastated BUT do you honestly beleive this wont of affected Kiera and her family. I am speaking from experience and it is true the media do not tell the whole truth they pick out the juicy bits and print them. Kiera was obviously advised to plead NOT GUILTY and that advice would of been given by a barrister. I don\\\'t see what good it is going to do anyone her going to jail but in order to appease the family that will be the sentence. Unless you have actually experienced any of this then keep you pathetic comments to yourself. As someone said HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WAS A MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY SHE KILLED well let me ask you HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WAS A MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY FACING A PRISON SENTENCE??? everyone is so easy to judge well let me tell you never say never because i honestly thought i would never be sat in my position and im sure Keira\\\'s family thought the same way as me. My message to Kiera is try not to worry hun as bad as it is not going to be as bad as you think. Those commenting on this site don\\\'t know how it feels and lets hope they never have to.how dare you. maybe the media did pick out the juicy bits as you so put it, but if you read the comments carefully she has had 3 speeding offences and was using her phone. Maybe she wouldn\'t have to face prison if she did not do the crime. Its not only that fact she killed this young lad its the fact that she obviously does not learn from her mistakes from speeding the first, second or even the third time. Maybe she will learn her lessons by going to prison for killing a lad at such a young age. I personally knew this lad and it hasn\'t been easy on any of his friends or family. people like you make me sick!!!!
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thandwells, eng-er-land says...
9:44pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Martin, Bristol says...
10:12pm Sat 2 Feb 08
emily wrote:No, I have never ever sped.
Martin wrote:so tell me WHAT is anyone going to achieve by Keira going to prison. You are all so pathetic. So is it the fact that you have never sped or the fact you have never been caught. Keira has to live with this for the rest of her life that is punishment in herself. Im not sayin she shouldnt be punished in some way but can you honestly answer me as to what good prison will do. I am sorry if i offend you but you would think quiet differently if it was one of your own family who was facing this. I have been on both sides of the fence so can comment on both sides. Jail wont solve anything its not like she is going to drive around looking for someone to kill is she, its not going to bring the young lad back. If you look at the news something like this happens every single day if she had tuned in her radio or reached for a drink would there still of been the same response. Belive me it could happen to any one of you so at least show some compassion.
Emily, Keira is hopefully going to be jailed because she killed someone. She had received several prior FPNs for speeding, yet did not learn her lesson, and continued to drive recklessly. The previous fines did not work, so jail is the only answer, and it will hopefully set an example to other reckless drivers.
oakman, southampton says...
10:39pm Sat 2 Feb 08
isaak hunt wrote:so why jail her u know jack s--- about the case so dont mouth off.so i take it u can ride thro a red light then now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jail the bint
oakman, says...
10:47pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Bea Smith wrote:get a life !
Get the lip balm out Miss C!
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oakman, southampton says...
11:30pm Sat 2 Feb 08
emily, says...
11:36pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Dave, Southampton says...
8:17am Sun 3 Feb 08
laura cooke wrote:Thats her.Sorry I didnt mean to spoil her 5 minutes of fame.Bet she didnt write that statement herself.............
Dave wrote:well if you are talking about jordans sister than have some respect loser
The worst thing in this case was the nauseating "statement" read out by the female relative outside the court. Why do attention seeking dimbos like her persist in taking advantage of these sort of incidents ? The only reason I can think of is to get themselves on "telly".
Clare, Southampton says...
8:50am Sun 3 Feb 08
Paul wrote:It's a good job your not in UK mate...u incensitive fool!!!!
One of the things that REALLY enforces my utter lack of desire to live back in the UK again is the constant self-righteous indignation by a nanny-state of wanton, erst-while individuals. What I mean by this is all the drivel about her texting when the emphasis should be put upon the idiot that jumped the red light! It was HIS decision to ignore the signal and it is his fate to accept the consequences of his arrogance. I've lived here for nigh on 30 years and guess what? I don't know of one single accident caused by cell phone usage. Now, that's not to say it doesn't happen and we all get annoyed here by those pootling along below the speed limit whilst yakking on the phone but maybe that's the point? People here take responsibility for themselves as opposed to relying on the nanny state to do everything for them. And that's why we have such a better standard of living and life here rather than that back home in the UK. (Back homeindeed: not likely, mates. This is home!)
Eric, Southampton says...
10:51am Sun 3 Feb 08
jon o wrote:This needs to be looked at as a whole as as opposed to being split into parts....
The lad lost his life for cycling thorugh a red light.
The majority here seem to want to destroy another life becasue the lady was driving through a GREEN light.
Cyclists dont seem to think the law of the road applies to them but they dont have a license that can be taken away.
I often rode my bike through a red light but made sure nothing was coming as i would obviously not expect the motorist to be locked up for my wrong doing (i took responsibility for my actions)
Its is a terrible tragedy but the fact is simple.
The chap rode through a RED light.
The lady drove through a GREEN light.
I definately dont think that a custodial sentance helps anyone.
it wont make me feel safer in the community even when riding my bike into West Quay on a saturday. 9which will probably be quicker these days with the soton council desperately trying to make sure no one drives any where any more.
Perhaps MORE traffic lights will help...
Squashme, London says...
11:53am Sun 3 Feb 08
emily wrote:
Everyone on here only knows what they have read, i am not making any excuses for dangerous driving what i am saying is sending her to prison aint gonna do jack for no one and if you are callous enough to wish that on a young girl then god help this world. No one has said she has not done wrong but belive me do not belive everything you read. You are small minded people with nothing better to do. Look at the whole picture 1st. It is sooooooo easy for people to judge were you there in the court to see her show no remorse have you been in contact with her the past year to see how this has afffected her im sure the answer to my questions will be NO. DO NOT think for one minute she will ever forget that day. Fair enough if she had not been going that bit faster it may have been avoided BUT had the lad not gone through the red light or had been wearing an helmet then it also might of been avoided. It is my personal opinion that sending her to jail will do no good to no one can you honestly say it will.
Sue S-H, Hinckley (formerly So'ton) says...
1:06pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Neil T, Isle of wight says...
1:09pm Sun 3 Feb 08
A Friend, HYTHE says...
4:58pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Squashme, London says...
7:02pm Sun 3 Feb 08
A Friend wrote:You motorists are unbelievable whiners. Like a bunch of teenage schoolkids. So "everybody does it" and it's SO UNFAIR that one of you should suffer. The only problem that you can see is that the cyclist broke a law, which led to the motorist being caught for breaking at least 2 laws. Oh, whinge, whinge, it means that the cyclist gets off scot-free, except that he's dead, isn't he? You really think that this will encourage red-light jumping? Really?
Keira started her sentence the day of the accident and yes it was an accident. I have known Kiera since she was a little girl and she is being made a scape goat. How many of you can honestly say that you have not picked up a mobile phone whilst driving or lit a cigarette, or changed channel on the radio or sneezed or ate at the wheel. come on people, we have all been guilty of a lapse in concentration when driving but the truth is Keira is the scape-goat here and this was a tragic accident and the young lad did go through a red light. A very sad sequence of events. Look at the papers yesterday with the police being caught on camera not holding the steering wheel - did he get jailed.... Nope, just a driving ban and his face in the papers. Need I say more. Ban everything in the car from car sterios, smoking, eating, etc. And, how many Mum\'s do you see looking in the back seat talking to their kids while they are still driving ! Oh, and what about people arguing in cars amongs other things?????
Anon, Hythe says...
7:25pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Squashme wrote:I bet you are one of the worst culprits. Who is moaning NOT ME. get a life mate!
A Friend wrote: Keira started her sentence the day of the accident and yes it was an accident. I have known Kiera since she was a little girl and she is being made a scape goat. How many of you can honestly say that you have not picked up a mobile phone whilst driving or lit a cigarette, or changed channel on the radio or sneezed or ate at the wheel. come on people, we have all been guilty of a lapse in concentration when driving but the truth is Keira is the scape-goat here and this was a tragic accident and the young lad did go through a red light. A very sad sequence of events. Look at the papers yesterday with the police being caught on camera not holding the steering wheel - did he get jailed.... Nope, just a driving ban and his face in the papers. Need I say more. Ban everything in the car from car sterios, smoking, eating, etc. And, how many Mum\\\'s do you see looking in the back seat talking to their kids while they are still driving ! Oh, and what about people arguing in cars amongs other things?????You motorists are unbelievable whiners. Like a bunch of teenage schoolkids. So \"everybody does it\" and it\'s SO UNFAIR that one of you should suffer. The only problem that you can see is that the cyclist broke a law, which led to the motorist being caught for breaking at least 2 laws. Oh, whinge, whinge, it means that the cyclist gets off scot-free, except that he\'s dead, isn\'t he? You really think that this will encourage red-light jumping? Really? If Kiera had driven over the speed limit while texting, and had hit an innocent car, which had not jumped a red light, and had killed someone in the car, she would have been in bad trouble, wouldn\'t she? 100% negligent in all probability. So she has killed a cyclist who jumped a red light. That means that the cyclist\'s actions will mean that he shares the negligence. This does not mean that Kiera was not negligent at all, just that she will not be held 100% negligent. It is ridiculous to suggest that she should avoid all blame because \"he started it\". I can almost understand why some cyclists ride on the pavement, to avoid the danger from texting, phoning, eating, drinking, shouting, emotionally-disturbe d, arguing, smoking, litter-throwing, channel-surfing, self-centred motorists. And that is ignoring the plain aggressive, malicious, violent, drugged or drunk drivers. Yes, \"everybody does it\" and there but for the grace of God go you. Just remember that. Risk your own lives if you wish, but you have no right to risk the lives of others, despite the law usually being soft on you.
A friend of Kiera, Hythe says...
7:54pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Your Friend, Hythe says...
8:43pm Sun 3 Feb 08
A friend of Kiera wrote:Hello Kiera, I doubt you will be reading this but just in case somebody tells you what is on line for the Echo, remember we are all thinking of you. You must be strong no matter what happens. You don't deserve any of this. If people knew you they would realise that you are a brilliant person, a fantastic mummy and one of the best friends anyone could wish for. If any of the above knew how many hours a day you put into work, being a mum, a daughter, a friend, they would be ashamed. At least you aren't a lay-about skamming the system, living off of the state. Be strong and stay the same lovely person you always have been. Give your daughter a big cuddle every moment you can and look the world in the eye. You must not be ashamed as most people are guilty of far worse than this. We all know and love you kiddo
Hi Kiera, Please be strong throughout your ordeal for the sake of your lovely daughter, your family and yourself, you are worth millions more than most of the people who are so negative in all of this. You have been suffering throughout all of this. Be strong, we all love you and are all behind you 200%. We know this could have happened to millions of people throughout the UK but you are the one suffering. No matter what happens my darling, your little girl will be there for you and you will always be her mummy so be strong for her and for yourself. You don\'t deserve this hell you are going through and please remember that this could have happened to thousands of people but you are the one suffering along with the boys family and friends. This is a terrible tragedy and we all feel for you all. Most of the above negative quotes should be trashed as I bet they have worse skeletons in their cupboards. Let them stand in front of judge and jury and see if they come out clean - I doubt it very much so please disregard all the crap and be the loving mother you always have been and always will be. You have been through enough. Will be praying for you all ****
Friend Of Kiera's, Southampton says...
10:10pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Friend Of Kiera's, Southampton says...
10:26pm Sun 3 Feb 08
rosie wrote:Rosie, you have no idea what you are talking about. Kiera's brother was involved in an accident of which he was a passenger.The car he was in spun of the road and hit a tree, Her brother broke his leg, but ran for a mile and a half the the nearest house for help. You are right, James did loose his life, but because of her brothers selfless actions he also saved another young boy in the car, who would of certantly died had Justin not of acted as quickly as he did.
well if i remember rightly i am sure kiera's brother was also involved in an incident where a young boy lost his life makes you wonder what owning a hotel and having money does for you
Martin, Bristol says...
10:27pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Laura cooke, eastleigh says...
10:39pm Sun 3 Feb 08
emily wrote:why don't you go read the facts and actually find out what you're talking about because it seems to be you know nothing. I happen to know everything that has happened about this case and you know nothing so yes how dare you! you are commenting on something you know nothing about! so before you start defending the guilty actually know all the facts because like you said you have only read. And maybe she shouldn't have been looking down at her phone whilst speeding she is such a stupid fool and you are just as bad for trying to defend her and im glad a make you sick because least I and everyone who knew jordan know im making you sick because im right
laura cooke wrote:I dare because i have experienced unlike your self who is just having your two penneth in. Yes she had 3 sppeding tickets but as i have read he went through a red light and was not wearing a protective helmet Keira didn't go out that morning to have an accident, and the harsh reality of life is it aint gonna bring the young lad back what is anyone going to gain and i have to add that its PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICKemily wrote: I have read lots of these comments and what i am going to ask is have any of you actually been through this?? I know a young man has died and his family truly devastated BUT do you honestly beleive this wont of affected Kiera and her family. I am speaking from experience and it is true the media do not tell the whole truth they pick out the juicy bits and print them. Kiera was obviously advised to plead NOT GUILTY and that advice would of been given by a barrister. I don\\\'t see what good it is going to do anyone her going to jail but in order to appease the family that will be the sentence. Unless you have actually experienced any of this then keep you pathetic comments to yourself. As someone said HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WAS A MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY SHE KILLED well let me ask you HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WAS A MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY FACING A PRISON SENTENCE??? everyone is so easy to judge well let me tell you never say never because i honestly thought i would never be sat in my position and im sure Keira\\\'s family thought the same way as me. My message to Kiera is try not to worry hun as bad as it is not going to be as bad as you think. Those commenting on this site don\\\'t know how it feels and lets hope they never have to.how dare you. maybe the media did pick out the juicy bits as you so put it, but if you read the comments carefully she has had 3 speeding offences and was using her phone. Maybe she wouldn\'t have to face prison if she did not do the crime. Its not only that fact she killed this young lad its the fact that she obviously does not learn from her mistakes from speeding the first, second or even the third time. Maybe she will learn her lessons by going to prison for killing a lad at such a young age. I personally knew this lad and it hasn\'t been easy on any of his friends or family. people like you make me sick!!!!
Laura cooke, eastleigh says...
10:40pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Martin wrote:i agree with you completely martin.
To "Friend of Kiera", this was not an "accident", it was a collision between two people who had broken the law. Unfortunately one of them died. Kiera should have known better because she had previous fines for reckless driving, and should have learnt her lesson, yet she still continued to drive recklessly. Please stop insulting everyone by calling it an accident.
anon, southampton says...
11:06pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Kim, Southampton says...
11:55pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Laura cooke, eastleigh says...
11:59pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Dave wrote:stop being so pathetic. she is not attention seeking its just a lot of people had respect for Jordan and still do. How many people have respect for you exactly?? NONE
laura cooke wrote:Thats her.Sorry I didnt mean to spoil her 5 minutes of fame.Bet she didnt write that statement herself............. .........Dave wrote: The worst thing in this case was the nauseating "statement" read out by the female relative outside the court. Why do attention seeking dimbos like her persist in taking advantage of these sort of incidents ? The only reason I can think of is to get themselves on "telly".well if you are talking about jordans sister than have some respect loser
Laura cooke, eastleigh says...
12:05am Mon 4 Feb 08
Kim wrote:No im not saying that at all, Jordan made a mistake, i think everyone who knew him knows that don't you he lost his life for making a mistake, he should'nt have jumped the red lights. But she made mistakes too, she shows no remorse as she pleaded not guilty for using her phone and after getting causes three speeding offences she should have gotten liscence taken away from her, but obviously those speeding offences did not teach her a lesson so maybe imprisonment will
Laura Cooke you say Emily knows nothing yet its you that knows nothing.Because what your really saying is its ok to jump a red light,which seems to be the view of so many on here.So what you are really saying is its ok to jump the lights and if you get hit its the other persons fault.I THINK NOT!
Kim, Southampton says...
1:00am Mon 4 Feb 08
Emma, Southampton says...
8:59am Mon 4 Feb 08
emily, says...
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Disgusted, Southampton says...
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Annie Droid, Soton says...
2:43pm Mon 4 Feb 08
Clare, s'hampton says...
7:33pm Mon 4 Feb 08
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Devil's Advocate, southtampon says...
11:27pm Mon 4 Feb 08
Tony, says...
5:20am Tue 5 Feb 08
Annie Droid, says...
9:17am Tue 5 Feb 08
Clare wrote:So really what you are saying, is that you agree with me! Just remember the 'What if'.....
Sorry Annie Droid , you are being well out of order! Have you got any brothers? If it was your brother who had been killed how do you think you would feel. Do you really think you would like people commenting on your brother like alot of the people here have done. This comments page has turned into a big slagging match which is a disgrace. Do you really thing Jordans sister wanted to read the statement?!?! No, i don't! Do you not think you should repect the family of the the young man that died?!?! I certainly think so!...and do you seriously think that Jordans sister is lapping up the comment!?!? No! At the end of the day, she has lost her brother, her parent have lost there son! And my reconing is that she read the statement because others in teh family probably couldn't face it. Do you really think Kiera going to jail,or all this publicity and comments are going to help this family move on with their lives?!? No! They just wanted answers as to what happened to their brother/son on the day he was killed, as would do you if it was a member of your family. So please show some respect, it's not a hard thing to do!! To all of Jordans family and friends, i am so sorry for your loss and i am also so sorry that people are so incensitive as to post such harsh comments on here. I pray that one day you will be able to cope with what's happened and try and move on from this x
Dan, bournemouth says...
11:38am Tue 5 Feb 08
Tony wrote:I assume you know jordan, and thus you know that he jumped the lights on a regular basis do you?
Was it proved \\\"beyond reasonable doubt\\\" that she was texting. From what I have read it was not. Surely there should be comprehensive data stating which cell mast handled the text. I am amazed that so many people see this as black and white. All those who scream \\\"she was speeding\\\" well most people take that corner at 40. Are you going to lock them up too? Those who want her in jail, put your hands in your pockets and find the £50,000. As for Jordan, How many times can you jump those lights before you get wiped out. He was an accident waiting to happen. Thank god it wasnt me he involved in his risky behavior.
Anon, Soton says...
12:41pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Annie Droid, says...
3:31pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Dan wrote:Dan, I understand that you have lost a brother and you have my deepest sympathy. If a story appears in the press then it will be debated. There are issues that haven't been cleared up or proved but have been used to promote readership etc. I will defend free speech and oppose censorship, that is what I have done in my previous posts. I think that as a family you may have been let down by your legal team or whoever told you you had to give a statement to the press - they will print whatever will sell most copies of their paper, they will not let facts get in the way of that. Objective people won't see this case as simply black or white but there are lots of 'What ifs'
Tony wrote: Was it proved \\\"beyond reasonable doubt\\\" that she was texting. From what I have read it was not. Surely there should be comprehensive data stating which cell mast handled the text. I am amazed that so many people see this as black and white. All those who scream \\\"she was speeding\\\" well most people take that corner at 40. Are you going to lock them up too? Those who want her in jail, put your hands in your pockets and find the £50,000. As for Jordan, How many times can you jump those lights before you get wiped out. He was an accident waiting to happen. Thank god it wasnt me he involved in his risky behavior.I assume you know jordan, and thus you know that he jumped the lights on a regular basis do you? Also, Annie Droid- my sister was not "lapping up" the media, as you so succintly put it- we were told the media was outside, and thus that we needed to make a statement on behalf of the family- otherwise they would be open to write what they wish. Bear in mind that we know that Jordan (my brother) went through a red light- however, he stopped at the apex (the kerb between two conflicting roads, and thus anyone paying attention would have seen him. Many of you also need to bear in mind that we did not bring this case- the CPS did- this is not a witchunt on our part, we merely wished to see justice done, as it was the least jordan deserved. The fact is Miss Coultas was driving at high speed (45 was only the agreed speed in court, she could have been going faster) and texting (i.e. not looking at the road) which in a vehicle is dangerous, as hitting someone will kill them- a bike is not a dangerous weapon is ridden carelessly. By all means debate the issues, but please make sure that you are well informed enough to make them, and also sensitive to both sides of this argument, as immature and incendiary remarks will hurt those directly involved.
Dan, bournemouth says...
4:19pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Annie Droid wrote:And i at no point opposed freedom of speech or advocated censorship- i pointed out that you should be in full receipt of the facts before you pass judgement, and you are not. Laying the blame squarely at my brother's door is wrong- yes, the accident may have been avoided, but he stopped at the apex of the road- also he is not here to argue the point so at least try to be a little respectful of that. The what if's you seem to be trying so hard to ignore are what if the driver wasn't on the phone, and what if she was not speeding.
Dan wrote:Dan, I understand that you have lost a brother and you have my deepest sympathy. If a story appears in the press then it will be debated. There are issues that haven't been cleared up or proved but have been used to promote readership etc. I will defend free speech and oppose censorship, that is what I have done in my previous posts. I think that as a family you may have been let down by your legal team or whoever told you you had to give a statement to the press - they will print whatever will sell most copies of their paper, they will not let facts get in the way of that. Objective people won't see this case as simply black or white but there are lots of 'What ifs' banded about. I've already stated The most important what if.Tony wrote: Was it proved \\\"beyond reasonable doubt\\\" that she was texting. From what I have read it was not. Surely there should be comprehensive data stating which cell mast handled the text. I am amazed that so many people see this as black and white. All those who scream \\\"she was speeding\\\" well most people take that corner at 40. Are you going to lock them up too? Those who want her in jail, put your hands in your pockets and find the £50,000. As for Jordan, How many times can you jump those lights before you get wiped out. He was an accident waiting to happen. Thank god it wasnt me he involved in his risky behavior.I assume you know jordan, and thus you know that he jumped the lights on a regular basis do you? Also, Annie Droid- my sister was not "lapping up" the media, as you so succintly put it- we were told the media was outside, and thus that we needed to make a statement on behalf of the family- otherwise they would be open to write what they wish. Bear in mind that we know that Jordan (my brother) went through a red light- however, he stopped at the apex (the kerb between two conflicting roads, and thus anyone paying attention would have seen him. Many of you also need to bear in mind that we did not bring this case- the CPS did- this is not a witchunt on our part, we merely wished to see justice done, as it was the least jordan deserved. The fact is Miss Coultas was driving at high speed (45 was only the agreed speed in court, she could have been going faster) and texting (i.e. not looking at the road) which in a vehicle is dangerous, as hitting someone will kill them- a bike is not a dangerous weapon is ridden carelessly. By all means debate the issues, but please make sure that you are well informed enough to make them, and also sensitive to both sides of this argument, as immature and incendiary remarks will hurt those directly involved.
Patrick, says...
4:24pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Annie Droid, says...
4:38pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Freedom of speech is a gift that we should all enjoy, but at least be gregarious and measured enough to give balance to your argument- otherwise your comments seem shallow
we were told the media was outside, and thus that we needed to make a statement on behalf of the family- otherwise they would be open to write what they wish.
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Interesting, says...
2:52pm Fri 1 Feb 08
I hope she doesn't receive a custodial sentence.