It comes down to bad parenting, there are benefits there for kids to have toothpaste amongst the other things that children NEED. Why should the rest of us put up with this because some parents are too lazy to look affter their free flat, oh I mean child

My wife is one of four sisters. The three elder girls lived in Birmingham (with fluorine in the water) up to the ages of 5, 6 and 7. All have fantastic teeth with very few fillings between them. The eldest didn't get her first until she was about 40. Their younger sister, however, who was born and brought up in Glasgow, had a mouthful by the time she was 16.

I thought we already had fluoride added to our water supply

Instead of forcing it upon those who do not believe in flouride and do not want it added to their water, why not make it available in bottle form from chemists for those that do.

Problem solved and debate over.

An angry soton resident wrote:
I thought we already had fluoride added to our water supply

Nope, but we should do.

Great idea, now if only we could get access to decent NHS dental services.....

Ian wrote:
Instead of forcing it upon those who do not believe in flouride and do not want it added to their water, why not make it available in bottle form from chemists for those that do.

Problem solved and debate over.

Water filters are already readily available for anyone who doesn't want anything contaminating their precious bodily fluids.

Problem solved, debate over.

Will consumers be given an easy way to remove this pollutant from tapwater or will they be providing and delivering bottled uncontaminated water free to those of us who want it.

No need to clean your teeth any more then kids.

Ian wrote:
My wife is one of four sisters. The three elder girls lived in Birmingham (with fluorine in the water) up to the ages of 5, 6 and 7. All have fantastic teeth with very few fillings between them. The eldest didn't get her first until she was about 40. Their younger sister, however, who was born and brought up in Glasgow, had a mouthful by the time she was 16.

hardly a scientific comparison. Too many variables

hmm wrote:
It comes down to bad parenting, there are benefits there for kids to have toothpaste amongst the other things that children NEED. Why should the rest of us put up with this because some parents are too lazy to look affter their free flat, oh I mean child

I didn't think I would say it but I agree with you.

Gummy wrote:
No need to clean your teeth any more then kids.

I grew up in another part of the country with soft water and fluoridation. Very rarely cleaned my teeth, but I also had a very well controlled, very low sugar diet. Result? No fillings... until I had the freedom of being a teenager and starting buying all those sweets and chocolates. Then the beer drinking. And now? Full of holes.

hmm wrote:
It comes down to bad parenting, there are benefits there for kids to have toothpaste amongst the other things that children NEED. Why should the rest of us put up with this because some parents are too lazy to look affter their free flat, oh I mean child

I agree, sort out the parenting.... I know of a primary school where the first lesson of the day is taken up with trooping to kids to brush their teeth with school issue toothbrushes and tooth paste..... hey.... who needs books....

Christoff wrote:

hmm wrote:
It comes down to bad parenting, there are benefits there for kids to have toothpaste amongst the other things that children NEED. Why should the rest of us put up with this because some parents are too lazy to look affter their free flat, oh I mean child

I didn\'t think I would say it but I agree with you.

Everyone knows im right, my comments are always printed in the paper, people just dont think they are allowed to agree with me

I am totally against mass-medication in this way - who knows what they may be putting in the water next, if they get away with fluoride? It is going against our rights - those people who want to use fluoride can buy fluoride toothpaste or get fluoride tablets from the dentist. And I agree with those people who say it's all down to parenting - most of them just can't be bothered.

Fluoride is neither a nutirent nor essential for healthy teeth. Fluoridation has proved a dismal failure in the U.S. where tooth decay rates are growing along with fluoride overdose symptoms - disclored and fragile teeth and bones

Leave the water alone.
Put fluoride in fizzy drinks! Most of the kids that have bad tooth decay probably don;t drink water anyway!

Another politician who thinks he knows best! there is that much information already published he should know better. what next, medication?

We're already getting doses of cocaine and prozac in the water supply, at least this one might actually benefit us.

Ian wrote:
Instead of forcing it upon those who do not believe in flouride and do not want it added to their water, why not make it available in bottle form from chemists for those that do. Problem solved and debate over.

or Tesco

A York University study in 2000 found water fluoridation increased the number of children without tooth decay by 15 per cent.

this still leaves 85%

This may be an excellent idea but it should not be considered before a proper NHS dental service -accessable to all - has been established

Roger wrote:
Leave the water alone. Put fluoride in fizzy drinks! Most of the kids that have bad tooth decay probably don;t drink water anyway!

a brilliant idea as fizzy drink major cause i have tummy upset with things like aspirin and some food why should i be penalised for negleting to teach children to clean teeth and eat and drink healthy my children drank plenty of water even now they are grown up

If fluoride gets added to our water it will probably increase the amount of people having thyroid problems.
Check this out on the web.

Ian wrote:
My wife is one of four sisters. The three elder girls lived in Birmingham (with fluorine in the water) up to the ages of 5, 6 and 7. All have fantastic teeth with very few fillings between them. The eldest didn't get her first until she was about 40. Their younger sister, however, who was born and brought up in Glasgow, had a mouthful by the time she was 16.

Not many people have their own teeth in Glasgow. Most have been punched out in Sauchiehall Street on a Saturday night!

Other doses wrote:
We're already getting doses of cocaine and prozac in the water supply, at least this one might actually benefit us.

Good point. Can water purification get rid of all the narcotics ingested and excreted before flowing out of our taps?


Some even say that the recycled oestrogen from billions of birth pills have even contributed to an increase in men's changes in sexual proclivities?

Hormonal imbalances occuring?

On a higher level - (conspiracy theory time) - how do we not know that mind control drugs are not slipped into the peasant's water supply.

Dont most MPS drink bottled water? Think about it.........

Please, do something to publicise how dangerous it is to add fluoride to water. It would be tragic if in years time we are counting how many lives were lost from the ridiculous policy of intervention.

Why is it that we dont swallow toothpaste? Because to do so would ingest too much fluoride.

There is no good reason why people should be forced to ingest fluoride

There will be thousands of parents who will not be able to allow their child to drink tap water again and be forced to buy bottled water if they do not want their children to drink this poison. This is disgraceful, and an outrage.
Its also unaffordable for most parents who wish to stop their children drinking this poison.

Its very simple to see why fluoride should not be added to water:

after all, why should we not swallow toothpaste, why is it meant to be rinsed away? because you shouldnt swallow the flouride

http://www.nlm.nih.g
ov/medlineplus/ency/
article/002745.htm

What are the health impacts? Well unfortunately fluoride water 'causes cancer'

http://observer.guar
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It is not forgiveable to kill some children just because some other parents are not that good at promoting oral hygiene of their children. At the end of the day childrens teeth fall out, and are replaced by adult teeth, if there are a few fillings so what. It does not justify condemning others to death from osteosarcoma.

Fluoride in tap water can cause bone cancer in boys, a disturbing new study indicates, although there is no evidence of a link for girls.
New American research suggests that boys exposed to fluoride between the ages of five and 10 will suffer an increased rate of osteosarcoma - bone cancer - bet-ween the ages of 10 and 19.

In the UK, fluoride is added to tap water on the advice of bodies such as the British Dental Association. The Department of Health maintains that it is a cost-effective public health measure that helps prevent tooth decay in children.

About 10 per cent of the population, six million people, receive fluoridated water, mainly in the Midlands and north-east, and the government plans to extend this, with Manchester expected to be next. About 170 million Americans live in areas with fluoridated water.
The increased cancer risks, identified in a newly available study conducted at the Harvard School of Dental Health, were found at fluoride exposure levels common in both the US and Britain. It was the first examination of the link between exposure to the chemical at the critical period of a child's development and the age of onset of bone cancer.

Although osteosarcoma is rare, accounting for only about 3 per cent of childhood cancers, it is especially dangerous. The mortality rate in the first five years is about 50 per cent, and nearly all survivors have limbs amputated, usually legs.

The research has been made available by the Environmental Working Group (EWG), a respected Washington-based research organisation. The group reports that it has assembled a 'strong body of peer-reviewed evidence' and has asked that fluoride in tap water be added to the US government's classified list of substances known or anticipated to cause cancer in humans.

'This is a very specific cancer in a defined population of children,' said Richard Wiles, the group's co-founder. 'When you focus in and look for the incidence of tumours, you see the increase.

'We recognise the potential benefits of fluoride to dental health,' added Wiles, 'but I've spent 20 years in public health, trying to protect kids from toxic exposure. Even with DDT, you don't have the consistently strong data that the compound can cause cancer as you now have with fluoride.'

Half of all fluoride ingested is stored in the body, accumulating in calcifying tissue such as teeth and bones and in the pineal gland in the brain, although more than 90 per cent is taken into the bones.

MPs who have recently voted against fluoridation proposals in Parliament include Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, and Michael Howard, the Conservative leader.

Anti-fluoride campaigners argue that the whole issue has become highly politically sensitive. If health scares about fluoride were to be recognised in the courts, the litigation, especially in the US, could be expected to run for decades. Consequently, scientists have been inhibited from publicising any adverse findings.

The new evidence only emerged by a circuitous process. It was contained in a Harvard dissertation by Dr Elise Bassin at the Harvard School of Dental Medicine. The dissertation, completed in April 2001, obviously had merit because Bassin was awarded her doctorate.

However it has not been published. Environmental organisations were repeatedly denied access to it, and even bodies such as the US National Academy of Sciences could not get hold of a copy. Eventually two researchers from the Fluoride Action Network were allowed to read it in the rare books and special collections room at Harvard medical library.

Bassin told The Observer her work was still going through the peer-review process, and she hopes that it will then be published.

Dr Vyvyan Howard, senior lecturer in toxico-pathology at the University of Liverpool, has studied the new material.

'At these ages the bones of boys are developing rapidly,' he said, 'so if the bones are being put together abnormally because fluoride is altering the bone structure, they're more likely to get cancer. It's biologically plausible, and the epidemiological evidence seems pretty strong - it looks as if there's a definite effect.'

There is at present no understanding as to why males should be affected rather than females.


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and what does can the fluoride in toothpaste do if ingested. This is why we dont swallow it! There will be no choice once it is in water.

http://www.nlm.nih.g
ov/medlineplus/ency/
article/002745.htm

Toothpaste overdose

This is poisoning from swallowing a lot of toothpaste.

Poisonous Ingredient

Sodium fluoride
Triclosan

Symptoms Return to top

For fluoride:

Heart and blood
Convulsions
Slow heart rate
Cardiac arrest
Lungs
Breathing difficulty (shallow respiration)
Gastrointestinal
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Abdominal pain
Nervous system
Shock
Tremors
Weakness
Eyes, ears, mouth, and throat
Salivation
Salty or soapy taste

Please watch

http://video.google.
com/videoplay?docid=
-1131942400352901009
&hl=en

Fluoride is the main ingredient of rat poison (sodium fluoride), it has issues relating to bone disease and many other adverse effects. This is a much larger picture, take the time to watch this documentary.

no no no no. i would rather not be forced to ingest poison thank you very much.

i expect this will be kicked (its the truth you see )
watch >Stanley Monteith - The Hidden Agenda - The Fluoride Deception or The Fluoride Deception

Toxic Flouride,This poisonous substance should never ever be implemented into our water supplies.

Fluoride is scientifically proven to not only have NO EFFECT what so ever on prodecting teeth enamal..yet is scientificaly being linked to lowering IQ in kids, brain cancer, tumours and motor nurone dissease..what the hell is going on here.? its a by product form alluminium production. for your kids sake look up the facts

I have just done my own research recently and decided to stop using tooth pastes and mouth wash with fluoride. I feel that adding fluoride into drinking water really breaks human rights in this case. They can’t poison drinking water for all people with fluoride to improve kids’ dental health. It sounds as a very bad and poor joke. Someone should suspect there are some business interests behind it and investigate a possible bribery as no-one can seriously think fluoridation is good for a human body but may be good for someone’s business.