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Sue wrote:
This is why our society is in such moral decline because nobody obeys rules/laws. Even the church people fail to obey basic laws like not riding on the pavement and not parking on yellow lines. They also fail to apologise when they are in the wrong. Rules/Laws are there for a purpose. It is teaching manners. What on earth is wrong with a student asking politely to remove their jumper? It is teaching basic social skills which many people do not have. It is teaching communication between student and adults. University students have no idea how to communicate with adults. Our society would be a better place if all laws were implemented. Sadly the police are no longer interested in upholding laws either.

Sue wrote:
This is why our society is in such moral decline because nobody obeys
rules/laws. Even the church people fail to obey basic laws like not
riding on the pavement and not parking on yellow lines. They also fail
to apologise when they are in the wrong. Rules/Laws are there for a
purpose. It is teaching manners. What on earth is wrong with a student
asking politely to remove their jumper? It is teaching basic social
skills which many people do not have. It is teaching communication
between student and adults. University students have no idea how to
communicate with adults. Our society would be a better place if all
laws were implemented. Sadly the police are no longer interested in
upholding laws either.

Sue wrote:
This is why our society is in such moral decline because nobody obeys rules/laws. Even the church people fail to obey basic laws like not riding on the pavement and not parking on yellow lines. They also fail to apologise when they are in the wrong. Rules/Laws are there for a purpose. It is teaching manners. What on earth is wrong with a student asking politely to remove their jumper? It is teaching basic social skills which many people do not have. It is teaching communication between student and adults. University students have no idea how to communicate with adults. Our society would be a better place if all laws were implemented. Sadly the police are no longer interested in upholding laws either.

pug wrote:
Less of the whining about 'human rights' please. let's keep it in context: it's a school uniform issue, it's not like they're being waterboarded by sadists.

Suzi wrote:

pug wrote: Less of the whining about 'human rights'
please. let's keep it in context: it's a school uniform issue, it's not
like they're being waterboarded by sadists.

No it's torture by
those abusing their power and so yes it's human rights. Why don't you
wear a thick black jumper all day and see if you can handle it. Idiot

George wrote:

Suzi wrote:

pug wrote: Less of the whining about 'human rights'
please. let's keep it in context: it's a school uniform issue, it's not
like they're being waterboarded by sadists.

No it's torture by
those abusing their power and so yes it's human rights. Why don't you
wear a thick black jumper all day and see if you can handle it. Idiot

Torture? Human rights? Grow up, Suzi, for goodness sake. This is hardly torture. You might want to talk to some actual torture victims about what they think of being made to wear a wooly jumper on a hot day, and how it compares to having their fingernails ripped out with pliers, or electrical charges being applied to their wet skin. Torture does not mean "any slightly unpleasant act that someone wishes did not happen". Look it up. As for human rights, try getting Amnesty International involved if you like, love, but I think they've got bigger fish to fry

Pug is quite right, this is so far removed from "torture" and "human rights" it's unbelievable.

SUE wrote:
MY DAUGHTER GOES TO HOUNSDOWN, SHE TOLD ME LAST NIGHT THAT ON FRIDAY THE SCHOOL TURN OF THE DRINKING WATER TAPS AS THE PUPILS WERE SPLASHING THERE FACES WITH WATER BECAUSE OF THE HOT WEATHER AND THEY WERE TOLD THAT IF THEY DID THIS AGAIN THE TAPS WOULD BE TURN OFF FOR GOOD. IF THEY ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE PUPILS NOT HAVING THE SCHOOL NAME ON THERE SHIRTS, THEN HAVE A POLO SHIRT WITH THE SCHOOL NAME ON IT IN THE SUMMER, I AM NOT HAPPY THAT MY CHILD IS MADE TO WEAR HER JUMPER IN THIS WEATHER WHEN THE TEACHER ARE ALL WEARING THERE SUMMER CLOTHES.

Lucy wrote:
George, I think you're going a bit overboard ! But I agree with Suzi,
if I had to sit with sweatshirt on all day or especially outside it
would play on my mind to the extreme. I wish I could watch you sit
outside in a jumper for just half and hour and see how you feel and
then go into a class and be expected to concentrate.

fred wrote:
Talk about an over the top reaction, comparisons to torture etc are a bit melodramatic. Instead of writing to the governors why not simply ask your child to raise their hand in class and ask to remove their jumper? This is simply a school rule that every parent agreed too when their child joined the school, so whats the problem? The kids should be obeying the rules and not rebelling as has been suggested here already.

Grandmother of student wrote:

SUE wrote: MY DAUGHTER GOES TO HOUNSDOWN, SHE TOLD ME LAST NIGHT THAT ON FRIDAY THE SCHOOL TURN OF THE DRINKING WATER TAPS AS THE PUPILS WERE SPLASHING THERE FACES WITH WATER BECAUSE OF THE HOT WEATHER AND THEY WERE TOLD THAT IF THEY DID THIS AGAIN THE TAPS WOULD BE TURN OFF FOR GOOD. IF THEY ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE PUPILS NOT HAVING THE SCHOOL NAME ON THERE SHIRTS, THEN HAVE A POLO SHIRT WITH THE SCHOOL NAME ON IT IN THE SUMMER, I AM NOT HAPPY THAT MY CHILD IS MADE TO WEAR HER JUMPER IN THIS WEATHER WHEN THE TEACHER ARE ALL WEARING THERE SUMMER CLOTHES.

This just shows what sort of teachers we're dealing with. This should go further and all school children should be able to take off their jumper at anytime of year if they are too hot. What sort of person makes up rules like this - it's just unbelievable.

Jeanne wrote:
I don't know what the rule is at Bitterne Park School, but I would like to see the children being made to wear waterproofs and/or warm clothing during the wet and rainy winter. I see the children going to school in the morning, both boys and girls dressed in trousers and shirts - not even a jumper in the depths of winter!

Suzi wrote:

pug wrote: Less of the whining about 'human rights' please. let's keep it in context: it's a school uniform issue, it's not like they're being waterboarded by sadists.

No it's torture by those abusing their power and so yes it's human rights. Why don't you wear a thick black jumper all day and see if you can handle it. Idiot

IAN wrote:
I t could be worse, your child could go to Regents park.Knowing that school the kids probabably have to wear coats as well.

sotonian wrote:

Suzi wrote:

pug wrote: Less of the whining about 'human rights'
please. let's keep it in context: it's a school uniform issue, it's not
like they're being waterboarded by sadists.

No it's torture by
those abusing their power and so yes it's human rights. Why don't you
wear a thick black jumper all day and see if you can handle it.
Idiot

don't the powers that be at Hounsdown realise that black
absorbs heat and therefore would be hotter than a teachers light
coloured clothing. Think of how hot a black car gets. Its not rocket
science!!
At my school the pupils don't have to wear their jumpers after easter.
Progress.

bunny wrote:

fred wrote: Talk about an over the top reaction, comparisons to torture etc are a bit melodramatic. Instead of writing to the governors why not simply ask your child to raise their hand in class and ask to remove their jumper? This is simply a school rule that every parent agreed too when their child joined the school, so whats the problem? The kids should be obeying the rules and not rebelling as has been suggested here already.

its not as simple as that,when they start school we dont get told this so we havent agreed to let our son or daughter feel like there in ovens!

Not true wrote:

bunny wrote:

fred wrote: Talk about an over the top reaction, comparisons to torture etc are a bit melodramatic. Instead of writing to the governors why not simply ask your child to raise their hand in class and ask to remove their jumper? This is simply a school rule that every parent agreed too when their child joined the school, so whats the problem? The kids should be obeying the rules and not rebelling as has been suggested here already.

its not as simple as that,when they start school we dont get told this so we havent agreed to let our son or daughter feel like there in ovens!

yes its in the school prosperus website and parent newsletter --- guess you dont read or take account of the information sent to you,,,, perhaps we should ring each parents who agreeds to the school uniform to check they read it

concerned wrote:
I feel this story has been exagerated. All schools want children to wear full school uniform at all times but through the duration of the day I cannot accept that teachers would make these children keep their jumpers on if they are hot as it would obviously effect their ability to learn as they would be uncomfortable and irriatable and secondly the school would realise they would get bad press and absolute up-roar from most of the parents governors etc. In respect of the water as it is a problem that pupils are soaking others then the school should issue letters home to all parents to make them aware that the water supply has to be turned off during the school day as there have been incidents involving pupils, but the pupils should be allowed to bring in water in sports bottles as they are accepted in a lot of schools during these hot peaks.

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Bambi wrote:

sotonian wrote:

Suzi wrote:

pug wrote: Less of the whining about \'human rights\' please. let\'s keep it in context: it\'s a school uniform issue, it\'s not like they\'re being waterboarded by sadists.

No it\'s torture by those abusing their power and so yes it\'s human rights. Why don\'t you wear a thick black jumper all day and see if you can handle it. Idiot

don\'t the powers that be at Hounsdown realise that black absorbs heat and therefore would be hotter than a teachers light coloured clothing. Think of how hot a black car gets. Its not rocket science!! At my school the pupils don\'t have to wear their jumpers after easter. Progress.

That \"black absorbs heat therefore black clothing makes you hot\" thing was debunked a while ago. All irrelevant, though, because a thick woollen jumper is gonna make you hot regardless of heat. The real point pug was making, and Suzi et al are failing quite spectacularly to grasp, is that - whilst unpleasant - is in no way \"torture\"

Realistic parent of hounsdown wrote:

Bambi wrote:

sotonian wrote:

Suzi wrote:

pug wrote: Less of the whining about \'human
rights\' please. let\'s keep it in context: it\'s a school uniform
issue, it\'s not like they\'re being waterboarded by sadists.

No it\'s torture by those abusing their power and so yes it\'s human
rights. Why don\'t you wear a thick black jumper all day and see if you
can handle it. Idiot

don\'t the powers that be at Hounsdown
realise that black absorbs heat and therefore would be hotter than a
teachers light coloured clothing. Think of how hot a black car gets.
Its not rocket science!! At my school the pupils don\'t have to wear
their jumpers after easter. Progress.

That \"black absorbs heat
therefore black clothing makes you hot\" thing was debunked a while
ago. All irrelevant, though, because a thick woollen jumper is gonna
make you hot regardless of heat. The real point pug was making, and
Suzi et al are failing quite spectacularly to grasp, is that - whilst
unpleasant - is in no way \"torture\"

Its a black uniform after
consultation with parents so it doesnt show the dirt ,,, now you want
to change that fine join the school council ,,, too busy ,,,, then stop
complaining

bunny wrote:

Not true wrote:

bunny wrote:

fred wrote: Talk about an over the top reaction, comparisons to torture etc are a bit melodramatic. Instead of writing to the governors why not simply ask your child to raise their hand in class and ask to remove their jumper? This is simply a school rule that every parent agreed too when their child joined the school, so whats the problem? The kids should be obeying the rules and not rebelling as has been suggested here already.

its not as simple as that,when they start school we dont get told this so we havent agreed to let our son or daughter feel like there in ovens!

yes its in the school prosperus website and parent newsletter --- guess you dont read or take account of the information sent to you,,,, perhaps we should ring each parents who agreeds to the school uniform to check they read it

how rude!hope your not my childs teacher,and yes a phone call would be very nice thank you.well phoned the school and if a child asks then it shouldnt be a promblem.

Pupil wrote:
Im a pupil at the school and to be honest you cant blame the teachers because they are just told what to do and dont make up the rules, thats the heads job. And in the summer the pupils dont ask to take there jumpers off they just do it but in the winter they have to ask and no one gets detentions for it.

are you servious wrote:

bunny wrote:

Not true wrote:

bunny wrote:

fred wrote: Talk about an over the top reaction, comparisons to torture etc are a bit melodramatic. Instead of writing to the governors why not simply ask your child to raise their hand in class and ask to remove their jumper? This is simply a school rule that every parent agreed too when their child joined the school, so whats the problem? The kids should be obeying the rules and not rebelling as has been suggested here already.

its not as simple as that,when they start school we dont get told this so we havent agreed to let our son or daughter feel like there in ovens!

yes its in the school prosperus website and parent newsletter --- guess you dont read or take account of the information sent to you,,,, perhaps we should ring each parents who agreeds to the school uniform to check they read it

how rude!hope your not my childs teacher,and yes a phone call would be very nice thank you.well phoned the school and if a child asks then it shouldnt be a promblem.

Yes sure they will ring 1200 parents got plenty of time to do that, just will not teach your children,,, are you serious. Previous writer was correct, the information is there you should read it as a parent I did and Im glad someone is standing up for the school, so easy to throw stones If you that bother become a school governor or join association if you dont like the rules but the way to change them ,,,

get the facts right wrote:
LET GET SOME FACTS RATHER THAN GOSSIP. I work at this school and yes the kids need to ask to take their jumpers off. THATS MANNERS REMEMBER THOSE However NEVER have I heard or seen a pupil refused, noone is ever given a detention who asks to take it off FACT. The taps where turned off during lesson time (not break or lunch) because the children left them running and earlier. Some children were not just spashing their faces but sooking others people walking passed and making water bombs. FACT Torture ? Human rights ? I suggest these people look up the meaning of the word you can not compaire this to Torture, get a life its nothing of the sort. Ask true victims how they feel, it nothing like what they have suffured. -- If this is the best new the Echo can make up from hearsay I feel sorry for the readers who believe it, check your facts first its like chinese whispers ...

Sue wrote:
This is why our society is in such moral decline because nobody obeys rules/laws. Even the church people fail to obey basic laws like not riding on the pavement and not parking on yellow lines. They also fail to apologise when they are in the wrong. Rules/Laws are there for a purpose. It is teaching manners. What on earth is wrong with a student asking politely to remove their jumper? It is teaching basic social skills which many people do not have. It is teaching communication between student and adults. University students have no idea how to communicate with adults. Our society would be a better place if all laws were implemented. Sadly the police are no longer interested in upholding laws either.

Suzanne wrote:
I spoke to the assistant head teacher yesterday about this problem and additionally they are expected to wear their jumpers at break times, lunchtimes, between classes and to and fro from school. I took my daughter to school yesterday and saw teachers wondering in with no jumpers just shirts and thin blouses at that. I think they should be made to conform to the same rules and see how long it takes for the union to step in!!

George wrote:

Lucy wrote: George, I think you're going a bit overboard ! But I agree with Suzi, if I had to sit with sweatshirt on all day or especially outside it would play on my mind to the extreme. I wish I could watch you sit outside in a jumper for just half and hour and see how you feel and then go into a class and be expected to concentrate.

It would be unpleasant, yes. But that does not constitute torture

Jannersaint wrote:

George wrote:

Lucy wrote: George, I think you're going a bit overboard ! But I agree with Suzi, if I had to sit with sweatshirt on all day or especially outside it would play on my mind to the extreme. I wish I could watch you sit outside in a jumper for just half and hour and see how you feel and then go into a class and be expected to concentrate.

It would be unpleasant, yes. But that does not constitute torture

George, look up "Article 3 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights".

You don't have much of an argument regardless of your opinion.

get the facts right wrote:
LET GET SOME FACTS RATHER THAN GOSSIP. I work at this school and yes the kids need to ask to take their jumpers off. THATS MANNERS REMEMBER THOSE However NEVER have I heard or seen a pupil refused, noone is ever given a detention who asks to take it off FACT. The taps where turned off during lesson time (not break or lunch) because the children left them running and earlier. Some children were not just spashing their faces but sooking others people walking passed and making water bombs. FACT Torture ? Human rights ? I suggest these people look up the meaning of the word you can not compaire this to Torture, get a life its nothing of the sort. Ask true victims how they feel, it nothing like what they have suffured. -- If this is the best new the Echo can make up from hearsay I feel sorry for the readers who believe it, check your facts first its like chinese whispers ...

nelly wrote:
havent heard one youngster moan,why dont we all take a leaf out of there books

Condor Man wrote:
Comfort? blimey, we've been living in Blair/Brown world for 11 years too long. Surely the most important issue is whether kids are educated. Rules are there to instill values. Look at the employment rates of young working class kids- it's risable. Those wearing blazers do much better because they are toughened up and can take on challenges in later life. This bunch of weeds and their no marks parents are only fit for the benefits queue.

get the facts right wrote:
LET GET SOME FACTS RATHER THAN GOSSIP. I work at this school and yes the kids need to ask to take their jumpers off. THATS MANNERS REMEMBER THOSE However NEVER have I heard or seen a pupil refused, noone is ever given a detention who asks to take it off FACT. The taps where turned off during lesson time (not break or lunch) because the children left them running and earlier. Some children were not just spashing their faces but sooking others people walking passed and making water bombs. FACT Torture ? Human rights ? I suggest these people look up the meaning of the word you can not compaire this to Torture, get a life its nothing of the sort. Ask true victims how they feel, it nothing like what they have suffured. -- If this is the best new the Echo can make up from hearsay I feel sorry for the readers who believe it, check your facts first its like chinese whispers ...

Sally wrote:
They also have this rule at Brookfield Community School in Locks Heath. The silly thing is, you're allowed to where one of their own logo polo shirts without a jumper, but if you where a blouse and tie you must always where a jumper. Wheres the sense in that!!!!!! How they expect the kids to concentrate I really don't know. I think these schools should be named and shamed into using common sense. Lets put the teachers in dentention with sweatshirts on and no windows open. What do you reckon?

Suzi wrote:

Condor Man wrote: Comfort? blimey, we\'ve been living in Blair/Brown world for 11 years too long. Surely the most important issue is whether kids are educated. Rules are there to instill values. Look at the employment rates of young working class kids- it\'s risable. Those wearing blazers do much better because they are toughened up and can take on challenges in later life. This bunch of weeds and their no marks parents are only fit for the benefits queue.

The children you refer to in Blazers are usually at private school, no wonder they are employable due to the fact their parents can pay for them to go to university at £10,000 per annum! Shame you weren\'t educated with common sense!

jem wrote:
Wot eye 'ave notissed on thiss diskushun is that no-wun kan spel, eavan the teechers. Praps thay Keppt there jumpers on at skule and it effected there consentrashion.

PJM wrote:

jem wrote: Wot eye 'ave notissed on thiss diskushun is that no-wun kan spel, eavan the teechers. Praps thay Keppt there jumpers on at skule and it effected there consentrashion.

So were you allowed to take your jumper/jacket off when you learnt to spell !!

PJM wrote:

jem wrote: Wot eye 'ave notissed on thiss diskushun is that no-wun kan spel, eavan the teechers. Praps thay Keppt there jumpers on at skule and it effected there consentrashion.

So were you allowed to take your jumper/jacket off when you learnt to spell !!

Student of Hounsdown wrote:
I am a student at Housndown school I must say the Daily Echo really has twisted a few words through out this report \"If students are caught with jumpers off without permission to take them off, they are given a detention,\" this isn\'t true; students are either told to put their jumper back on and ask, or they are able to keep it off but have to ask next time The student who came home feeling unwell is only in year 7 and the thing that the parents do not know is that end of May beginning of June, the summer rule is in force where students may go around with jumpers off, and the boys get the advantage of not having to wear their school tie, as long as shirts are tucked in. I know the weather recently has been rather warm, and that they should have enforced the summer rule, but temperatures are due to go down as we have some wet wether on the way. And yes the water taps were turned off for a small amount of time as students were wasting water, not by splashing it on their faces to cool down, but as a water fight. They were only switched off during lunch and during lessons and were on during the crossing to lessons with a member of staff stood by I am really annoyed with this rather false report that has been made, its not child torture, students are able to take their jumpers off with permission and some teachers will say as you come into the classroom, \"please take your jumpers off if you get too hot,\" which is reasonable as long as students put them back on again to look neat and tidy at the end of the lesson

jem wrote:

PJM wrote:

jem wrote: Wot eye 'ave notissed on thiss diskushun is that no-wun kan spel, eavan the teechers. Praps thay Keppt there jumpers on at skule and it effected there consentrashion.

So were you allowed to take your jumper/jacket off when you learnt to spell !!

No, I went to a posh grammar school and wore a blazer. It was called a blazer 'cos if you put it on in this weather you caught fire!

Pupil wrote:
I am a pupil at hounsdown, and this report isnt really true. Teachers regularly say throughout lessons \"you may take your jumpers off if you would like to\" and the teachers enforce a new rule the same time every year saying that, aslong as shirts are tucked in and we still look neat, we are able to take them off without asking. Also; the taps were turned off briefly at the end of lunchtime as some people were having a water fight, and were drenched from head to toe, and had to then sit through the rest of the day in their P.E kits as they were so wet. Basically, i think that there are more important issues than the fact that someone cant be bothered to ask to take their jumper off.