PR disaster for Lowelife........ LOL


LOWE & WILDE OUT

As each day goes by, the more I can't believe this appointment!!

RL is taking everyone for a ride, what a totally rediculous gamble. Perhaps some of the players at Helmond will follow him over, as he won't have a clue about bringing in players from our leagues, not that we can afford any either way.

What will people of Southampton do about it? Carry on as if Rupert is the saviour, or not go in the ground? How the hell does this idiot no what is best in terms of a football appointment? Is he some sort of expert?

I give up.

I have my dubts about a Dutch Dream Team - DDT - and this is just the icing on the cake.

When will others decide not to contribute to this comedian? Look Rupes me old mucker - run the plc and leave footballing matters to people who know about it...

Oh but I forgot...you are the Oracle and the All Seeing Eye.

Not another penny from me is being contributed to the SMS slush fund...I'll get my fix at places like Forest, Doncaster, Sheffield, Preston and Burnley. Much more fun, a lot cheaper, and the real fans turn up!

Leave my club alone - go and do your football experiments at places like Harrow & Eton FC. When will you get it in your business head - there is no money in football, and you cannot survive on a celebrity status birn out of failure - not once but twice?

LOWE MUST GO!

Jan Poortvliet = manager of dutch amateur football clubs !

Nigel Pearsons Red & White Army !

Lowe Out

You can say what you like about the team last year and how garbage and under achieving they were, the last day of the season at least showed some solidarity that would have been a good basis to build from. Who knows if NP may have turned out to be useless, it is pretty disappointing that we will not find out and any good work that he may or may not have achieved will now be wasted as this pair of unknown softcocks take over the helm.

Unbelievable!!
FFS - this guy Lowe is a complete incompetent, when dealing with football matters - he knows jack s**t!!
Jan Poo'thehellamI', Wigley, Sturrock, Gray, Redknapp (like that was gonna work!). Lowe you're a joke, an upper class p***k!
The real culprit though - yes it's you Askham, whilst you lined your own pockets with that god-forsaken takover all those years ago, you sold the fans who love this club right down the river.
Unforgiveable!

NP was the answer at least in the short term. The players wanted him-the former board wanted him -and more importantly the fans wanted him!!! Why? because he had the players on his side and playing for him he also had the contacts within the clubs to get suitable loan players.( remember it was loan players that really kept us up).Lowe says thanks but no thanks "I would rather hsve s coach who can train youngsters to ONE DAY produce a wonder team to win the Championship" (and save us money) in the meantime "we need the fans "(their money) to continue to support us.What care you Rupert about fans?They can see this is doomed to failure in the short term and that could well mean relegation.Remember too that the SAINTS FOOTBALL FACTORY could find itself forever in the Campionship as the shareholders line their pockets with all the lovely cash to"help us survive" Rupert you haven't a clue you never did have We could be the "richest" club in Division 2

Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves.

Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days.

I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon.

I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

By the way if is this new team is so great why has nobody snapped them up and if they are reasonably successful won't some richer club lure them away. Football sadly is about self interest as we've seen so much at SFC

But Poortvliet later revealed to a Dutch newspaper that he has only at this stage signed a pre-contract agreement and a compensation fee has yet to be agreed with Helmond, which he is due to pay himself.

The Daily Echo understands that, though Helmond are reluctant to lose Poortvliet after he steered them into an unexpected play-off spot in the Eerste Divisie last season, the hitch centres on agreeing compensation rather than if the move to Saints will take place

I don't know a lot about the football coaching market, but I would assume that Helmond will be able to demand a much higher severance package now that they know that Lowe and Wilde have touted this coaching pair as the new saviours of saints. This package is still being worked out. What happens now if the Dutchman says that the fee has now gone out of his reach, and that he can't afford it? If I was Helmond, looking at the English game and the money that the big clubs throw around, I would be rubbing my hands with glee. especially if Poortvliet has already done the photo shoot at St Marys. It's well known that when an English club knocks on the door of a foreign club to buy a player, the valuation of that player goes up dramatically, because they know clubs will pay it. WHy would coaches be different?
It will be interesting to see how the current board spin this one to their advantage...

yet again our club is a media laughing stock. i'm so sick of lowe and this news just goes to show how hopeless and how little he knows about football. i'm all for blooding new talen t IF theyre good enough and the bottom line is that if they were then NP would have done it last season ie lallana. lowe life has a hell of a lot to answer for.

Lowe's latest debacle gets worse and worse, like the floods in Millbrook it seems. Perhaps we should all take up water polo instead of football.....

HELMOND IS IN AFGHANISTAN. WHAT'S GOING ON?

John B wrote:
Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

Give up you prized pratt,Lowe has not and never has had a clue on how to run a FC.

For goodness sake, this man is a mere farmer,and god it shows,time after time,after time,after time.

Lowe is a LIABILITY.

Why are their so many negative comments about Poortvliet and his team? he hasn't started yet!!with respect to NP, Portvliet has a long and excellent record, everyone has to be patient and judge him by Christmas or to the end of the season. Professional Football is a business and has to operate correctly and efficently, success breeds success and it needs profit, Southampton FC have always tried to operate this way, there is no bottomless pit and everyone knows that a Bank will only support a Client to an agreed limit,SFC are no exception, so lets all be optimistic and support SFC with Lowe and the Board, it's new Coaching Team and wish them the very best of luck

Lowe has been working on this appointment for 2 years. And he still gets it wrong. Business man? I don't think so. Still, when you appoint yourself into a job, without any competition, and (yet again) make yourself chief executive and chairman, you don't need to worry about how well you perform.

Nice to see the anti RL lobby getting worked up over nothing - again. This is old news. Jan said at the outset he would be prepared to buy out his contract in Holland to join Saints. We should be celebrating the fact that someone wants to work for us!

I think i must be the only saints fan who's really positive about this appointment now i got used to the disappointment of not keepin NP.

Im very hopeful about the new coaches. If Poortvleit can lead a small 2nd tier team in Holland to the play offs maybe he'll be able to lead a bigger, but equally skint, 2nd teir team to same in the england. And Wotte was coach of Dutch national acadamies, thats a good CV in my book.

Its a new season so im excited that were all level and anything can happen.. so stop this crap doom and gloom attitude bout our new coaches as it wont help. Just get behind them and give them a chance.

Everyone just chill!

This is not a debacle.

The fact that he signed a pre-contract agreement clearly shows that Lowe knew he was still contracted to Helmond, otherwise it would have been a full contract agreement.

JP has agreed to pay his own compensation, so if his old club try asking for more, it costs us nothing. Plus, as the article states, it will go to tribunal with maximum compensation levels.

There is much that is positive about these appointments. The fact that they are on low basics with big incentives for success is something we surely all must appreciate. If only all players could be paid that way as well.

Most of last season we were screaming for youngsters to come in to the first team. With no full backs for most of the year, why were the young guns not even on the bench? Lancashire never got a look in, even when we had only one fit CB.
Basseya has been superb, a big, strong striker to support the talented but inactive John?
Only McGoldrick got the odd 5 or 10 minutes and Lallana as sub in the last 2 games.

Give it a chance.

John B wrote:
Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

alan wrote:
Nice to see the anti RL lobby getting worked up over nothing - again. This is old news. Jan said at the outset he would be prepared to buy out his contract in Holland to join Saints. We should be celebrating the fact that someone wants to work for us!

Happy to pay, he doesnt even know how many is lightly to cost..

Robbie wrote:
But Poortvliet later revealed to a Dutch newspaper that he has only at this stage signed a pre-contract agreement and a compensation fee has yet to be agreed with Helmond, which he is due to pay himself. The Daily Echo understands that, though Helmond are reluctant to lose Poortvliet after he steered them into an unexpected play-off spot in the Eerste Divisie last season, the hitch centres on agreeing compensation rather than if the move to Saints will take place I don't know a lot about the football coaching market, but I would assume that Helmond will be able to demand a much higher severance package now that they know that Lowe and Wilde have touted this coaching pair as the new saviours of saints. This package is still being worked out. What happens now if the Dutchman says that the fee has now gone out of his reach, and that he can't afford it? If I was Helmond, looking at the English game and the money that the big clubs throw around, I would be rubbing my hands with glee. especially if Poortvliet has already done the photo shoot at St Marys. It's well known that when an English club knocks on the door of a foreign club to buy a player, the valuation of that player goes up dramatically, because they know clubs will pay it. WHy would coaches be different? It will be interesting to see how the current board spin this one to their advantage...

...because the maximum compensation they can ask for is the amount remaining on his contract, quoted as being 2 years. I would imagine Poortvliet would know how much this is, before he committed to Saints.

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated.

Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one.

Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated.

I think we should try something.

Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant.

English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

rational wrote:
Everyone just chill! This is not a debacle. The fact that he signed a pre-contract agreement clearly shows that Lowe knew he was still contracted to Helmond, otherwise it would have been a full contract agreement. JP has agreed to pay his own compensation, so if his old club try asking for more, it costs us nothing. Plus, as the article states, it will go to tribunal with maximum compensation levels. There is much that is positive about these appointments. The fact that they are on low basics with big incentives for success is something we surely all must appreciate. If only all players could be paid that way as well. Most of last season we were screaming for youngsters to come in to the first team. With no full backs for most of the year, why were the young guns not even on the bench? Lancashire never got a look in, even when we had only one fit CB. Basseya has been superb, a big, strong striker to support the talented but inactive John? Only McGoldrick got the odd 5 or 10 minutes and Lallana as sub in the last 2 games. Give it a chance.

The notion that Jan would pay his own compensation is clearly ludicrous. This could easily mean that he is effeectively working for net zero income next season. If you can show otherwise by quoting some numbers, please do so.
Also to be taken into the overall equation is the matter of how much Lowe and Wilde will be paying themselves. The market rate for running a medium size business is around £75k each.
At this level it would likely realise savings over previous incumbents that could have been put into the package for a manager/coach with a good track record, whether Nigel Pearson or someone else.

Yesterday I was saying how happy I felt about this appointment, but now I'm going to totally contradict myself and say WHAT ANOTHER STUPID RUPERT LOWE DECISION. GET HIM OUT!!!! I CAN JUST SEE THE PROBLEM GETTING WORST!!!

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

rational wrote: Everyone just chill! This is not a debacle. The fact that he signed a pre-contract agreement clearly shows that Lowe knew he was still contracted to Helmond, otherwise it would have been a full contract agreement. JP has agreed to pay his own compensation, so if his old club try asking for more, it costs us nothing. Plus, as the article states, it will go to tribunal with maximum compensation levels. There is much that is positive about these appointments. The fact that they are on low basics with big incentives for success is something we surely all must appreciate. If only all players could be paid that way as well. Most of last season we were screaming for youngsters to come in to the first team. With no full backs for most of the year, why were the young guns not even on the bench? Lancashire never got a look in, even when we had only one fit CB. Basseya has been superb, a big, strong striker to support the talented but inactive John? Only McGoldrick got the odd 5 or 10 minutes and Lallana as sub in the last 2 games. Give it a chance.

The notion that Jan would pay his own compensation is clearly ludicrous. This could easily mean that he is effeectively working for net zero income next season. If you can show otherwise by quoting some numbers, please do so. Also to be taken into the overall equation is the matter of how much Lowe and Wilde will be paying themselves. The market rate for running a medium size business is around £75k each. At this level it would likely realise savings over previous incumbents that could have been put into the package for a manager/coach with a good track record, whether Nigel Pearson or someone else.

Why is it ludicrous? He's been quoted as agreeing to it. If he's been upfront for, say, a 4 year contract, all he will do is repay unearned income i.e. max. 2 year's salary. He's not going to be out of pocket; he didn;t earn it in the first place.

Could Rupert be on his third manager before the start of the season? Business as usual, eh?

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

rational wrote: Everyone just chill! This is not a debacle. The fact that he signed a pre-contract agreement clearly shows that Lowe knew he was still contracted to Helmond, otherwise it would have been a full contract agreement. JP has agreed to pay his own compensation, so if his old club try asking for more, it costs us nothing. Plus, as the article states, it will go to tribunal with maximum compensation levels. There is much that is positive about these appointments. The fact that they are on low basics with big incentives for success is something we surely all must appreciate. If only all players could be paid that way as well. Most of last season we were screaming for youngsters to come in to the first team. With no full backs for most of the year, why were the young guns not even on the bench? Lancashire never got a look in, even when we had only one fit CB. Basseya has been superb, a big, strong striker to support the talented but inactive John? Only McGoldrick got the odd 5 or 10 minutes and Lallana as sub in the last 2 games. Give it a chance.

The notion that Jan would pay his own compensation is clearly ludicrous. This could easily mean that he is effeectively working for net zero income next season. If you can show otherwise by quoting some numbers, please do so. Also to be taken into the overall equation is the matter of how much Lowe and Wilde will be paying themselves. The market rate for running a medium size business is around £75k each. At this level it would likely realise savings over previous incumbents that could have been put into the package for a manager/coach with a good track record, whether Nigel Pearson or someone else.

I cannot give real numbers, as I am only reading the same news reports as everyone else. In these, JP says he will pay it, as do the club.

If it helps you, I can make some numbers up.
If we are offering, say £100k per year, and he is currently on £50k, he's better off, isn't he?

Add to that the fact that here he will have substantial success bonuses, so success will be what pays the bills.

Good old Rupert the bear. You will finish this great club of ours off forever. The 'mess' you came back to is the mess you created in the first place! Don't forget that. Has anyone else heard that Lowe and Wilde did not have the decency to inform Nigel Pearson personally that he was no longer manager? Pearson told Sky Sports from Malta, where he is on holiday he only found out through them. What a bloody disgrace, and very poor management skills. Rupert Lowe and Co you should be ashamed of yourselves. Drag yourselves down but don't drag our team through the mire with you!

Itchen to Reply wrote:
Good old Rupert the bear. You will finish this great club of ours off forever. The 'mess' you came back to is the mess you created in the first place! Don't forget that. Has anyone else heard that Lowe and Wilde did not have the decency to inform Nigel Pearson personally that he was no longer manager? Pearson told Sky Sports from Malta, where he is on holiday he only found out through them. What a bloody disgrace, and very poor management skills. Rupert Lowe and Co you should be ashamed of yourselves. Drag yourselves down but don't drag our team through the mire with you!

Sums Lowe and his type up,wait until someones back is turnt and stab.

Lowe waiting until Pearson was on holiday before telling him,Lowe why dont you try and grow some BALLS man.

IS ANYONE ORGANISING A DEMO ANYTIME SOON? THIS CANT WAIT TILL THE FIRST GAME IN AUGUST-AS IAN WRIGHT SAID ON TALK SPORT YESTERDAY THE FANS HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THINGS-WE DIDNT EVAN WANT NIGEL PEARSON TO LEAVE WHAT GIVES THE RIGHT FOR LOWE TO GET RID.MAYBE ONE LUNCHTIME WE CAN ALL MEET AT ST MARYS AND MAKW SOME NOISE

alan wrote:
Nice to see the anti RL lobby getting worked up over nothing - again. This is old news. Jan said at the outset he would be prepared to buy out his contract in Holland to join Saints. We should be celebrating the fact that someone wants to work for us!

stop the negative comments about RL/Poortvliet,and our Saints.

Portsmouth is a hooligan city. They are the worst city in the Country by mile. Look at the poor areas in Portsmouth, Buckland, Copnor (where I live), North End, Paulsgrove, Leigh Park, Havant and the list goes on. In my nature of work I meet people everyday and Portsmouth have the most un-educated people who are poor and bunch of holligans - just like their fans. This does not mean passion. We Saints fans and THERE ARE AT LEAST FEW OF OF US SAINTS FANS LIVING AND PORTSMOUTH. SO UP THE SAINTS.

If this is another of Lowe's mistakes then he should pay all legal fees and compensation out of his own pocket and not from the scarce resources of SFC. I despair of this man and his methods which constantly put us in the public gaze for all the wrong reasons. Picking up on Barnacle Bill's point if I had money invested with Barings and they re-appointed Nick Gleeson then I would move my money pretty darn quickly to another bank. While I will not move to support another club I will stop funding SFC in any way whatsoever until Lowe has gone.

I was pleased that Mr Lowe was coming back then I was disappointed that Pearson was sacked then I was excited about the Dutch concept then I read about the mess and am totally deflated. As Saints fans we dont need a football team to entertain us we just need the farcical antics of Mr Lowe and our roller coaster ride through the ups and downs of club mismanagement.

Itchen to Reply wrote:
Good old Rupert the bear. You will finish this great club of ours off forever. The 'mess' you came back to is the mess you created in the first place! Don't forget that. Has anyone else heard that Lowe and Wilde did not have the decency to inform Nigel Pearson personally that he was no longer manager? Pearson told Sky Sports from Malta, where he is on holiday he only found out through them. What a bloody disgrace, and very poor management skills. Rupert Lowe and Co you should be ashamed of yourselves. Drag yourselves down but don't drag our team through the mire with you!

No, I had not heard that NP was only told by Sky Sports.
Also, a look at the Sky Sports website shows no sign of this - surely it would be a story there!

Or, it's another made-up allegation on an internet message board.

M.Wotte is expected to take charge of affairs at SFC should the contract issues of J.Poortvliet not be resolved in time for the 2008/09 season.
In a sensational twist to the appointment made by Rupert Lowe, Wotte has been asked to take charge of the first team unitl Poortvliet can be named as the official successor to Nigel Pearson.
The confusion that surrounds the club at this time, is that Pearson is still the Manager until his contract runs down at the end of June, and Poortvliet was not due to be in charge until he had complete control of the Managerial position.
The bold move by Lowe and Wilde in releasing Pearson at the end of his contract at the end of June, could come back to haunt them. Pearson was releaved of his duties due to the financial difficulties that the club are in, and therfore could not afford to keep him as Manager, however, should Southampton FC and Lowe be taken to court by FIFA they can expect to be charged and fined for the managerial saga that has been made, at a cost of more than £800,000.

alan wrote:
Nice to see the anti RL lobby getting worked up over nothing - again. This is old news. Jan said at the outset he would be prepared to buy out his contract in Holland to join Saints. We should be celebrating the fact that someone wants to work for us!

Yes he wants to buy out his contract, as he is in the lower leagues of the Dutch leagues, and now been presented with a chance to move up into the English league with a championship side. This is a massive step up and even bigger gamble. As this guy has spent years doing nothing really in the lower leagues of the Dutch league.

Nothing to celebrate, as this has been handle so badly, and could cost Southampton F.C. a packet as well, and possibly worst if the Dutch club wants to sue and they can. If the boot was on the other foot, we most likely do the same.

I'M SICK TO DEATH
of our club being the laughing stock all the time.

I'm sick of having to listen to those smelly skates down the road all the time.

I'm sick to death of Rupert Lowe ruining our beloved club for his own pocket.

I'm sick of not being told anything all the time.

I'm sick of giving this club my hard earned money to a bunch of no hopers.

I payed for my season ticket before I knew woopert was coming back and NP was still in a job.At the moment I just feel like going down to the club and getting my money back.

And where the hell is Michael Wilde in all of this I thought he was the FOOTBALL CHAIRMAN of the club not Woopert.

"SWING LOWE SWING RUPERT LOWE,SWING HIM FROM THE ITCHEN BRIDGE"

"THERES ONLY ONE NIGEL PEARSON"

I'M SICK OF IT ALL

GO AWAY WOOPERT!!!!!!!

Quite simply the club has lied.

He has not signed a one year rolling contract with us.

Who has lied, who has been told to lie???

Spin, spin, spin.

The supporters are being treated with contempt.

Blackburn manager Mark Hughes has been given permission to hold talks with Manchester City after Sven-Goran Eriksson parted company with the club.

The Welshman has guided Rovers into Europe twice, but recently indicated his long-term ambitions might not be satisfied at Ewood Park.

A Blackburn statement said City had made an approach to talk to Hughes .

"Mark has made it clear to the board he would like the opportunity to talk to Manchester City," it said.


This is "normal contractual negotiation", as far as I remember. Both parties agree to hold talks, then tell the press....
Source: BBC

No guessing as to whether Helmond will hold out for a fat cat settlement, possibly beyond the means of the Crazy Dutchman. Who's going to pay up then? And because it's in hte paper that he's signing, SFC will be forced into paying out to save face. Still it was all about saving money, wasn't it?

Pensioner in Spain wrote:
Why are their so many negative comments about Poortvliet and his team? he hasn\'t started yet!!with respect to NP, Portvliet has a long and excellent record, everyone has to be patient and judge him by Christmas or to the end of the season. Professional Football is a business and has to operate correctly and efficently, success breeds success and it needs profit, Southampton FC have always tried to operate this way, there is no bottomless pit and everyone knows that a Bank will only support a Client to an agreed limit,SFC are no exception, so lets all be optimistic and support SFC with Lowe and the Board, it\'s new Coaching Team and wish them the very best of luck

An excellent record?

Good god man wake up. The dutchman has never managed in the top flight in Holland and you have to ask why.
He is a former world cup finalist but in terms of coaching, he hasclearly underachieved as at his age you would expect him to have a track record in the dutch first division. He doesnt.

Blackburn manager Mark Hughes has been given permission to hold talks with Manchester City after Sven-Goran Eriksson parted company with the club.

The Welshman has guided Rovers into Europe twice, but recently indicated his long-term ambitions might not be satisfied at Ewood Park.

A Blackburn statement said City had made an approach to talk to Hughes .

"Mark has made it clear to the board he would like the opportunity to talk to Manchester City," it said.


This is "normal contractual negotiation", as far as I remember. Both sides agree to discuss the possibility, then tell the press.

This could backfire massiviely. If Helmond hold on to him, or worse, try to sue SFC (NOT LOWE, but the club he represents) Then it could cost SFC dearly. Not very good bearing in mind this was all done to save money....

Nigel, you're better off out of it.

I see my posts aren't making it on here again. No swearing, no abuse, just an attempt at an argument. TVM daily echo. Censorship lives on....

Robbie wrote:
I see my posts aren\'t making it on here again. No swearing, no abuse, just an attempt at an argument. TVM daily echo. Censorship lives on....

Erm, yes they are. Perhaps you should look more carefully before accusing people of things!

dainowel wrote:

rational wrote: Everyone just chill! This is not a debacle. The fact that he signed a pre-contract agreement clearly shows that Lowe knew he was still contracted to Helmond, otherwise it would have been a full contract agreement. JP has agreed to pay his own compensation, so if his old club try asking for more, it costs us nothing. Plus, as the article states, it will go to tribunal with maximum compensation levels. There is much that is positive about these appointments. The fact that they are on low basics with big incentives for success is something we surely all must appreciate. If only all players could be paid that way as well. Most of last season we were screaming for youngsters to come in to the first team. With no full backs for most of the year, why were the young guns not even on the bench? Lancashire never got a look in, even when we had only one fit CB. Basseya has been superb, a big, strong striker to support the talented but inactive John? Only McGoldrick got the odd 5 or 10 minutes and Lallana as sub in the last 2 games. Give it a chance.

Straight from the horses mouth is it?How much do you get paid for your drivel? Why dont you go away and leave this club alone oh and take your lord and master Lowe with you. You are a prat.

That's what I like about posting on here - good reasoned debate!

Not sure which part most offends.
Is it pointing out the facts in the article?
Is it being positive?
Is it reminding you of the fact that our youth have been overlooked most of last year while fans called for their inclusion?

As a fan for 30+ years, I am going nowhere.

I have no great affection for Lowe, but do agree with a lot he says and does, and object to some of the more irrational tales and criticisms.

Give me a real alternative to Lowe and I will be happy. And I don't mean the likes of Strode-Gibbons, Crouch, Wilde and so on, who brought no money into the club.

In the meantime, I will continue to post my (unpaid for) comments, usually to redress the balance against blind hatred, class warfare, ignorance and so on.

rational wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

rational wrote: Everyone just chill! This is not a debacle. The fact that he signed a pre-contract agreement clearly shows that Lowe knew he was still contracted to Helmond, otherwise it would have been a full contract agreement. JP has agreed to pay his own compensation, so if his old club try asking for more, it costs us nothing. Plus, as the article states, it will go to tribunal with maximum compensation levels. There is much that is positive about these appointments. The fact that they are on low basics with big incentives for success is something we surely all must appreciate. If only all players could be paid that way as well. Most of last season we were screaming for youngsters to come in to the first team. With no full backs for most of the year, why were the young guns not even on the bench? Lancashire never got a look in, even when we had only one fit CB. Basseya has been superb, a big, strong striker to support the talented but inactive John? Only McGoldrick got the odd 5 or 10 minutes and Lallana as sub in the last 2 games. Give it a chance.

The notion that Jan would pay his own compensation is clearly ludicrous. This could easily mean that he is effeectively working for net zero income next season. If you can show otherwise by quoting some numbers, please do so. Also to be taken into the overall equation is the matter of how much Lowe and Wilde will be paying themselves. The market rate for running a medium size business is around £75k each. At this level it would likely realise savings over previous incumbents that could have been put into the package for a manager/coach with a good track record, whether Nigel Pearson or someone else.

I cannot give real numbers, as I am only reading the same news reports as everyone else. In these, JP says he will pay it, as do the club. If it helps you, I can make some numbers up. If we are offering, say £100k per year, and he is currently on £50k, he\'s better off, isn\'t he? Add to that the fact that here he will have substantial success bonuses, so success will be what pays the bills.

I read he is likely to have to pay the one year left on his contract so on that basis, for the first year, he will be no better off.
He may well however be getting a good relocation package which will ease the burden and incidentally is an added cost to the club.
His cost of house rental would be in the region of £50k per year.
The existence of bonuses is a bit of a red herring. A bonus scheme is only effective as an incitement when you have a reasonable chance of earning it. Based on the football vision statements coming out of the club, Jan's bonus will rest on the shoulders (ok, feet) of what he calls 'kids'. He will realise that chances of additional earnings here are extremely slight.
Overall, you must feel the poor man is desperate to have a job where all his peers will be earning considerably more than him.
Perhaps his advancing years and failure to succeed in Holland have something to do with it.
I note you side stepped the question of the Lowe/Wilde salaries. Would you care to offer any numbers there as to what would be reasonable?

Normally with new Managerial apointments, I need a few days for the news to sink in before I can draw an objective conclusion..but I have to say that the appointment of these two Dutch chaps have completely disapointed and underwhelmed me right from the start..and even more so now.

After all the contractual wranglings have been sorted, I wonder if Saints FC will have to bail out Poortvliet..and if so, will this mean that the combined contracts be more than what Pearson would've stayed on for?. Time will tell, but I for one, will continue to be less than impressed with the new setup.

It's about time Lowe stopped using Southampton Football club as his play thing. I've never been anti-Lowe before..but now enough is enough. Nigel Pearson in - Lowe out!!

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

rational wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

rational wrote: Everyone just chill! This is not a debacle. The fact that he signed a pre-contract agreement clearly shows that Lowe knew he was still contracted to Helmond, otherwise it would have been a full contract agreement. JP has agreed to pay his own compensation, so if his old club try asking for more, it costs us nothing. Plus, as the article states, it will go to tribunal with maximum compensation levels. There is much that is positive about these appointments. The fact that they are on low basics with big incentives for success is something we surely all must appreciate. If only all players could be paid that way as well. Most of last season we were screaming for youngsters to come in to the first team. With no full backs for most of the year, why were the young guns not even on the bench? Lancashire never got a look in, even when we had only one fit CB. Basseya has been superb, a big, strong striker to support the talented but inactive John? Only McGoldrick got the odd 5 or 10 minutes and Lallana as sub in the last 2 games. Give it a chance.

The notion that Jan would pay his own compensation is clearly ludicrous. This could easily mean that he is effeectively working for net zero income next season. If you can show otherwise by quoting some numbers, please do so. Also to be taken into the overall equation is the matter of how much Lowe and Wilde will be paying themselves. The market rate for running a medium size business is around £75k each. At this level it would likely realise savings over previous incumbents that could have been put into the package for a manager/coach with a good track record, whether Nigel Pearson or someone else.

I cannot give real numbers, as I am only reading the same news reports as everyone else. In these, JP says he will pay it, as do the club. If it helps you, I can make some numbers up. If we are offering, say £100k per year, and he is currently on £50k, he\'s better off, isn\'t he? Add to that the fact that here he will have substantial success bonuses, so success will be what pays the bills.

I read he is likely to have to pay the one year left on his contract so on that basis, for the first year, he will be no better off. He may well however be getting a good relocation package which will ease the burden and incidentally is an added cost to the club. His cost of house rental would be in the region of £50k per year. The existence of bonuses is a bit of a red herring. A bonus scheme is only effective as an incitement when you have a reasonable chance of earning it. Based on the football vision statements coming out of the club, Jan's bonus will rest on the shoulders (ok, feet) of what he calls 'kids'. He will realise that chances of additional earnings here are extremely slight. Overall, you must feel the poor man is desperate to have a job where all his peers will be earning considerably more than him. Perhaps his advancing years and failure to succeed in Holland have something to do with it. I note you side stepped the question of the Lowe/Wilde salaries. Would you care to offer any numbers there as to what would be reasonable?

No intention to 'side step' any question. But not my place to offer numbers anyway. What I do know is that Lowe cut all Director salaries on relegation, also that these increased after Lowe left.

Your figure of £50k for house rental is interesting. Not sure why this amount, or why for a year. You seem to have a lot more inside knowlege of such things than me.

I would suppose that he is on more here than in Holland, so any increase is just that, so even if he has to pay back a year of his old salary he is not working for free.

As for his record, I did note a number of promotions listed among the clubs he managed (and also for Wotte). Not sure if that is what you mean by 'failure to succeed'.

Of course, many fans currently seem to feel that success involves dropping into the relegation zone, only to survive on the final day when other results go our way.

I reserve the right to be optimistic!

1st and may be last post.

I have been a fan since I was dropped as a baby by my dad during the FA cup final win.

And never in all those 32 years have i been more depressed than i am now, i read The OS pages they depress me, I read upthesaints and saint.com both Depress me with their overly negative approach i come here and yet more depression, where is the positivity gone from the last day of the season, look up not down it is the fans that can do this and should be doing this. The reason we stayed up on the final day was cause we filled the stadium the reason we aint gone back up is cause it takes a day like that to bring us back stop hiding get of your arse's start reminding the country why they like us, apart from the pompy lots i would say most fans would be glad to see us promoted back the premier league cause we always provide headlines of the unexpected kind.

The team is made up of the players the club is made up of the fans it is here where it is going wrong not on the pitch as proved on the last day. look at yourselves and stop blaming every one else.

John B wrote:

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated. Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one. Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated. I think we should try something. Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant. English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

Ok John I'll keep it simple, as I'm igornant and not very sensible.
1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. One of the best English players in the present game today. I think the reason Harry left you will find was Mr Lowe.
2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the english game. We all know how cut throat the Champoinship can be. If Lowe had pucked a manager from the conference, would you be happy. At least he may of heard of some of our players.
3. Look at the most successful teams in recent years, Arsenal & Man U. The major reason they have won so much silverware. An understanding chairman who stood by their managers. Something our Mr Lowe might want to think about in the futher. How many managers is it now?
4. Burley as you say, couldn't pick a decent team, yet we were very nearly promoted.
5. Could you explain where I was rude to you in my first post. I was just stating some hard facts. Talking of which please see above.
6. We are both Saints fans with different points of view.
7. Do you need a bigger shivel?

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

John B wrote:

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated. Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one. Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated. I think we should try something. Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant. English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

Ok John I'll keep it simple, as I'm igornant and not very sensible. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. One of the best English players in the present game today. I think the reason Harry left you will find was Mr Lowe. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the english game. We all know how cut throat the Champoinship can be. If Lowe had pucked a manager from the conference, would you be happy. At least he may of heard of some of our players. 3. Look at the most successful teams in recent years, Arsenal & Man U. The major reason they have won so much silverware. An understanding chairman who stood by their managers. Something our Mr Lowe might want to think about in the futher. How many managers is it now? 4. Burley as you say, couldn't pick a decent team, yet we were very nearly promoted. 5. Could you explain where I was rude to you in my first post. I was just stating some hard facts. Talking of which please see above. 6. We are both Saints fans with different points of view. 7. Do you need a bigger shivel?

I need a new shivel, and wouldn't mind a larger one!

Any idea where they are on sale?

What a farce. This notion of Poortvilet forking out his own compo is ridiculous. This is yet another lie and spin to cover the fact that SFC has to pay out for Lowe to indulge himself in his own "yes man" rather than have NP standing up to his interfering and turning up on the training ground in his RL tracksuit.

What's the odds that these two end up costing us more than NP, especially considering that Dodd had a contract to pay up.

Great business accumen, Roops....

Every one knew that Rupert Lowe's return would divide our club once more. There was great unity at the end of last season and it has all evaporated in a matter of weeks and we all know why. I put it on record now that we will be playing division one football next season. Remember Lowe told Redknapp that he had to use the youngsters to help stave of relegation from the Premiership and one of England's best managers failed. If anyone thinks that a couple of Dutchman with no experience of Championship football can save us then they are living in cloud cuckoo land. If another one of these demented loons tell me to be positive and get behind the team I shall scream. For gooness sake wake up and smell the coffee. The only reason we have these two Dutchman is because every possible candidate with an iota of sense would have withdrawn their application the moment they realised what Lowe expected. We have got them because they are cheap and they have no idea what they are letting themselves in for. If Lowe sacked Pearson then I think he did him a blo*dy great favour and if Helmond Sport refuse to release Jan Poortvliet they would have done him a blo*dy great favour as well.

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

John B wrote:

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated. Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one. Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated. I think we should try something. Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant. English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

Ok John I'll keep it simple, as I'm igornant and not very sensible. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. One of the best English players in the present game today. I think the reason Harry left you will find was Mr Lowe. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the english game. We all know how cut throat the Champoinship can be. If Lowe had pucked a manager from the conference, would you be happy. At least he may of heard of some of our players. 3. Look at the most successful teams in recent years, Arsenal & Man U. The major reason they have won so much silverware. An understanding chairman who stood by their managers. Something our Mr Lowe might want to think about in the futher. How many managers is it now? 4. Burley as you say, couldn't pick a decent team, yet we were very nearly promoted. 5. Could you explain where I was rude to you in my first post. I was just stating some hard facts. Talking of which please see above. 6. We are both Saints fans with different points of view. 7. Do you need a bigger shivel?

You will never win with this guy! He has all the answers and thinks most if not all Saints fans have it wrong, and should be shown the light by him.

Barnacle Bill wrote:
Every one knew that Rupert Lowe's return would divide our club once more. There was great unity at the end of last season and it has all evaporated in a matter of weeks and we all know why. I put it on record now that we will be playing division one football next season. Remember Lowe told Redknapp that he had to use the youngsters to help stave of relegation from the Premiership and one of England's best managers failed. If anyone thinks that a couple of Dutchman with no experience of Championship football can save us then they are living in cloud cuckoo land. If another one of these demented loons tell me to be positive and get behind the team I shall scream. For gooness sake wake up and smell the coffee. The only reason we have these two Dutchman is because every possible candidate with an iota of sense would have withdrawn their application the moment they realised what Lowe expected. We have got them because they are cheap and they have no idea what they are letting themselves in for. If Lowe sacked Pearson then I think he did him a blo*dy great favour and if Helmond Sport refuse to release Jan Poortvliet they would have done him a blo*dy great favour as well.

Please don't use bold type. What you have got to say is not that important!

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

John B wrote:

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated. Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one. Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated. I think we should try something. Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant. English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

Ok John I'll keep it simple, as I'm igornant and not very sensible. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. One of the best English players in the present game today. I think the reason Harry left you will find was Mr Lowe. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the english game. We all know how cut throat the Champoinship can be. If Lowe had pucked a manager from the conference, would you be happy. At least he may of heard of some of our players. 3. Look at the most successful teams in recent years, Arsenal & Man U. The major reason they have won so much silverware. An understanding chairman who stood by their managers. Something our Mr Lowe might want to think about in the futher. How many managers is it now? 4. Burley as you say, couldn't pick a decent team, yet we were very nearly promoted. 5. Could you explain where I was rude to you in my first post. I was just stating some hard facts. Talking of which please see above. 6. We are both Saints fans with different points of view. 7. Do you need a bigger shivel?

Calling Somebody a Pratt is rude.

1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. Yes but with lots of money which SFC do not or did not have but he got us relegated.

2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the English game. How do you know the Dutch people no nothing about the English Game British TV is in every home in Holland Like Wenger can bring in good youngsters from their own country.

I think Wenger and Fergusson are only still there because they are successful you only have to look at Newcastle Spurs and Man City to see managers being sacked because of the lack of Success.

3 Lowe’s Record for sacking managers is not bad as you suggest

Jones was under a lot of pressure outside football and I think getting rid of him was the correct decision

Hoddle left to go to Spurs.

Gray was the wrong Appointment and should have been sacked .

Strachan left for family reasons.

Sturrock was not acceptable to the players and left by mutual consent.

Wigley was unlucky with injuries and probably had to go.

Redknapp was a disaster and took us down he was not sacked but returned to Pompey

4. Burley as you say took us to the Play Offs but do you think his judgement with the players he brought in was very good he also in similar circumstances took Ipswich down.

5. Yes we are both Saints fans with different points of view but please do not call people Pratt’s it upsets them just write your thoughts as you have now done and we can discuss them.

Andy P wrote:

Itchen to Reply wrote: Good old Rupert the bear. You will finish this great club of ours off forever. The 'mess' you came back to is the mess you created in the first place! Don't forget that. Has anyone else heard that Lowe and Wilde did not have the decency to inform Nigel Pearson personally that he was no longer manager? Pearson told Sky Sports from Malta, where he is on holiday he only found out through them. What a bloody disgrace, and very poor management skills. Rupert Lowe and Co you should be ashamed of yourselves. Drag yourselves down but don't drag our team through the mire with you!

Sums Lowe and his type up,wait until someones back is turnt and stab. Lowe waiting until Pearson was on holiday before telling him,Lowe why dont you try and grow some BALLS man.

Andy P, why don't you head off with the rest of the anti Rupert brigade to Eastleigh as promised and leave us true Saints fans to await and see what happens. Rupert is here to stay and rules ok. Put-up or shut-up.

Saint wrote:

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

John B wrote:

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated. Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one. Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated. I think we should try something. Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant. English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

Ok John I'll keep it simple, as I'm igornant and not very sensible. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. One of the best English players in the present game today. I think the reason Harry left you will find was Mr Lowe. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the english game. We all know how cut throat the Champoinship can be. If Lowe had pucked a manager from the conference, would you be happy. At least he may of heard of some of our players. 3. Look at the most successful teams in recent years, Arsenal & Man U. The major reason they have won so much silverware. An understanding chairman who stood by their managers. Something our Mr Lowe might want to think about in the futher. How many managers is it now? 4. Burley as you say, couldn't pick a decent team, yet we were very nearly promoted. 5. Could you explain where I was rude to you in my first post. I was just stating some hard facts. Talking of which please see above. 6. We are both Saints fans with different points of view. 7. Do you need a bigger shivel?

You will never win with this guy! He has all the answers and thinks most if not all Saints fans have it wrong, and should be shown the light by him.

Yes I do think a large number of Saints Fans should accept that Lowe is here and not everything he does is wrong that would be statistically impossible.

I dont think this Jan has much experience but I think the only way forward is to use our young player the likes of Powell Thomas Viafare BWP Makin Lka Skacel have not been successful and cost us loads of money.

I just dont see anyway forward with a huge infux of cash

What RL tried saving is now paying on top/double for his incompetence!

Robert J wrote:
What RL tried saving is now paying on top/double for his incompetence!

No he's not!
Read the article!

JP is paying it himself.

As a supporter for 50 years ,I rarely put pen to paper.
But would like to make the following comments,which are valid considering the same directors are back in.
1]When Saints were in the premiership,why did the board appoint unknown managers and then fire them before they had chance to prove themselves?
2]Why did Lowe want to take on the positions of executive and non executive director ?
3]Why did Saints sell all their best players when they were relegated despite the parachute payments?

4]What will happen to the young players which the dream team develop,will they immediately be sold off at cheap prices without waiting for them to develop properly and assist the team with promotion.
These are just a few of the questions I would have for the new board.
Will they reply?
Signed
Supporter from France

Who Cares we are screwed either way

m oates wrote:
As a supporter for 50 years ,I rarely put pen to paper. But would like to make the following comments,which are valid considering the same directors are back in. 1]When Saints were in the premiership,why did the board appoint unknown managers and then fire them before they had chance to prove themselves? 2]Why did Lowe want to take on the positions of executive and non executive director ? 3]Why did Saints sell all their best players when they were relegated despite the parachute payments? 4]What will happen to the young players which the dream team develop,will they immediately be sold off at cheap prices without waiting for them to develop properly and assist the team with promotion. These are just a few of the questions I would have for the new board. Will they reply? Signed Supporter from France

Perhaps you should write directly to them or write a letter to the Echo because I would be interested in the answers.

We are in a position where we have no money the current board are pointing us in the direction which I agree with you is not ideal.

Most Championship Clubs sell to Premiership clubs who have most of the money I notice Ramsey of Cardiff is being Sold for 6 Million it unfortunately is the way of the world.

Crouch went to Liverpool to get into the England team and earn lots of money I dont blame him.

If the Sky money was evenly distributed football would be completely different.

John B wrote:

Saint wrote:

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

John B wrote:

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated. Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one. Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated. I think we should try something. Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant. English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

Ok John I\'ll keep it simple, as I\'m igornant and not very sensible. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. One of the best English players in the present game today. I think the reason Harry left you will find was Mr Lowe. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the english game. We all know how cut throat the Champoinship can be. If Lowe had pucked a manager from the conference, would you be happy. At least he may of heard of some of our players. 3. Look at the most successful teams in recent years, Arsenal & Man U. The major reason they have won so much silverware. An understanding chairman who stood by their managers. Something our Mr Lowe might want to think about in the futher. How many managers is it now? 4. Burley as you say, couldn\'t pick a decent team, yet we were very nearly promoted. 5. Could you explain where I was rude to you in my first post. I was just stating some hard facts. Talking of which please see above. 6. We are both Saints fans with different points of view. 7. Do you need a bigger shivel?

You will never win with this guy! He has all the answers and thinks most if not all Saints fans have it wrong, and should be shown the light by him.

Yes I do think a large number of Saints Fans should accept that Lowe is here and not everything he does is wrong that would be statistically impossible. I dont think this Jan has much experience but I think the only way forward is to use our young player the likes of Powell Thomas Viafare BWP Makin Lka Skacel have not been successful and cost us loads of money. I just dont see anyway forward with a huge infux of cash

Look, I think you miss the point with most Saint fans you get in disscussion on here with, and you are most certainly miss guided and gullible. No one has said Lowe gets everything wrong.

As to unsuccessful players, I most certainly can not agree with you with regards to Viafara and Licka. Possibly also Thomas. You also unfair about Makin, who has hardly played. As to costing us loads of money, well you might find your wrong on this too. As to using younger players ...yes. Though they need quality around them to develope, or they could just as easily be lost. This is a big gamble, and more so with a lower Dutch league coach who has done nothing really to date. Most fans have reservation about this, and rightly so. We all hope it works, though you seem to be happy to risk all, even if we end up in another relegation fight. Remenber other clubs know we will be using young talent, and behind close doors, they be telling there teams to scare the crap out of them!

As to your post further up about manangers leaving. Yes you quote pretty much all as what was given at the time as an explanantion. Though you fail to understand that this was the polictical answer given to the media. Most could not continue with the restraintes Lowe put on them or lack of backing. For example Strachen would most likely stayed after the F.A cup if he got the finacial support he was hoping to get to take Saints onto the next level. Lowe failed and he left, like others before and after him.

I am trying very hard to accept that you are a real Saints fan who gose to the games, and not just read papers. Please sometimes take time out to see what Saints fans are trying to say, and you may find another side to everything, because you seem to argue points out all the time with what I can see as only passionate and loyal Saints fans. With pride (dentented at the moment) and positive hopes and desires and dreams!

rational wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

rational wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

rational wrote: Everyone just chill! This is not a debacle. The fact that he signed a pre-contract agreement clearly shows that Lowe knew he was still contracted to Helmond, otherwise it would have been a full contract agreement. JP has agreed to pay his own compensation, so if his old club try asking for more, it costs us nothing. Plus, as the article states, it will go to tribunal with maximum compensation levels. There is much that is positive about these appointments. The fact that they are on low basics with big incentives for success is something we surely all must appreciate. If only all players could be paid that way as well. Most of last season we were screaming for youngsters to come in to the first team. With no full backs for most of the year, why were the young guns not even on the bench? Lancashire never got a look in, even when we had only one fit CB. Basseya has been superb, a big, strong striker to support the talented but inactive John? Only McGoldrick got the odd 5 or 10 minutes and Lallana as sub in the last 2 games. Give it a chance.

The notion that Jan would pay his own compensation is clearly ludicrous. This could easily mean that he is effeectively working for net zero income next season. If you can show otherwise by quoting some numbers, please do so. Also to be taken into the overall equation is the matter of how much Lowe and Wilde will be paying themselves. The market rate for running a medium size business is around £75k each. At this level it would likely realise savings over previous incumbents that could have been put into the package for a manager/coach with a good track record, whether Nigel Pearson or someone else.

I cannot give real numbers, as I am only reading the same news reports as everyone else. In these, JP says he will pay it, as do the club. If it helps you, I can make some numbers up. If we are offering, say £100k per year, and he is currently on £50k, he\'s better off, isn\'t he? Add to that the fact that here he will have substantial success bonuses, so success will be what pays the bills.

I read he is likely to have to pay the one year left on his contract so on that basis, for the first year, he will be no better off. He may well however be getting a good relocation package which will ease the burden and incidentally is an added cost to the club. His cost of house rental would be in the region of £50k per year. The existence of bonuses is a bit of a red herring. A bonus scheme is only effective as an incitement when you have a reasonable chance of earning it. Based on the football vision statements coming out of the club, Jan's bonus will rest on the shoulders (ok, feet) of what he calls 'kids'. He will realise that chances of additional earnings here are extremely slight. Overall, you must feel the poor man is desperate to have a job where all his peers will be earning considerably more than him. Perhaps his advancing years and failure to succeed in Holland have something to do with it. I note you side stepped the question of the Lowe/Wilde salaries. Would you care to offer any numbers there as to what would be reasonable?

No intention to 'side step' any question. But not my place to offer numbers anyway. What I do know is that Lowe cut all Director salaries on relegation, also that these increased after Lowe left. Your figure of £50k for house rental is interesting. Not sure why this amount, or why for a year. You seem to have a lot more inside knowlege of such things than me. I would suppose that he is on more here than in Holland, so any increase is just that, so even if he has to pay back a year of his old salary he is not working for free. As for his record, I did note a number of promotions listed among the clubs he managed (and also for Wotte). Not sure if that is what you mean by 'failure to succeed'. Of course, many fans currently seem to feel that success involves dropping into the relegation zone, only to survive on the final day when other results go our way. I reserve the right to be optimistic!

Optimism is good - especially when laced with a good deal of realism.
Why not have a go at evaluating Lowe and Wilde's salaries? Using an entirely rational approach and assuming it was your company, what would you expect to be paying them?

rational wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

rational wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

rational wrote: Everyone just chill! This is not a debacle. The fact that he signed a pre-contract agreement clearly shows that Lowe knew he was still contracted to Helmond, otherwise it would have been a full contract agreement. JP has agreed to pay his own compensation, so if his old club try asking for more, it costs us nothing. Plus, as the article states, it will go to tribunal with maximum compensation levels. There is much that is positive about these appointments. The fact that they are on low basics with big incentives for success is something we surely all must appreciate. If only all players could be paid that way as well. Most of last season we were screaming for youngsters to come in to the first team. With no full backs for most of the year, why were the young guns not even on the bench? Lancashire never got a look in, even when we had only one fit CB. Basseya has been superb, a big, strong striker to support the talented but inactive John? Only McGoldrick got the odd 5 or 10 minutes and Lallana as sub in the last 2 games. Give it a chance.

The notion that Jan would pay his own compensation is clearly ludicrous. This could easily mean that he is effeectively working for net zero income next season. If you can show otherwise by quoting some numbers, please do so. Also to be taken into the overall equation is the matter of how much Lowe and Wilde will be paying themselves. The market rate for running a medium size business is around £75k each. At this level it would likely realise savings over previous incumbents that could have been put into the package for a manager/coach with a good track record, whether Nigel Pearson or someone else.

I cannot give real numbers, as I am only reading the same news reports as everyone else. In these, JP says he will pay it, as do the club. If it helps you, I can make some numbers up. If we are offering, say £100k per year, and he is currently on £50k, he\\\'s better off, isn\\\'t he? Add to that the fact that here he will have substantial success bonuses, so success will be what pays the bills.

I read he is likely to have to pay the one year left on his contract so on that basis, for the first year, he will be no better off. He may well however be getting a good relocation package which will ease the burden and incidentally is an added cost to the club. His cost of house rental would be in the region of £50k per year. The existence of bonuses is a bit of a red herring. A bonus scheme is only effective as an incitement when you have a reasonable chance of earning it. Based on the football vision statements coming out of the club, Jan\'s bonus will rest on the shoulders (ok, feet) of what he calls \'kids\'. He will realise that chances of additional earnings here are extremely slight. Overall, you must feel the poor man is desperate to have a job where all his peers will be earning considerably more than him. Perhaps his advancing years and failure to succeed in Holland have something to do with it. I note you side stepped the question of the Lowe/Wilde salaries. Would you care to offer any numbers there as to what would be reasonable?

No intention to \'side step\' any question. But not my place to offer numbers anyway. What I do know is that Lowe cut all Director salaries on relegation, also that these increased after Lowe left. Your figure of £50k for house rental is interesting. Not sure why this amount, or why for a year. You seem to have a lot more inside knowlege of such things than me. I would suppose that he is on more here than in Holland, so any increase is just that, so even if he has to pay back a year of his old salary he is not working for free. As for his record, I did note a number of promotions listed among the clubs he managed (and also for Wotte). Not sure if that is what you mean by \'failure to succeed\'. Of course, many fans currently seem to feel that success involves dropping into the relegation zone, only to survive on the final day when other results go our way. I reserve the right to be optimistic!

Yeah promotion on a par with a tyro league side D.F.

John B wrote:

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

John B wrote:

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated. Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one. Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated. I think we should try something. Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant. English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

Ok John I\'ll keep it simple, as I\'m igornant and not very sensible. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. One of the best English players in the present game today. I think the reason Harry left you will find was Mr Lowe. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the english game. We all know how cut throat the Champoinship can be. If Lowe had pucked a manager from the conference, would you be happy. At least he may of heard of some of our players. 3. Look at the most successful teams in recent years, Arsenal & Man U. The major reason they have won so much silverware. An understanding chairman who stood by their managers. Something our Mr Lowe might want to think about in the futher. How many managers is it now? 4. Burley as you say, couldn\'t pick a decent team, yet we were very nearly promoted. 5. Could you explain where I was rude to you in my first post. I was just stating some hard facts. Talking of which please see above. 6. We are both Saints fans with different points of view. 7. Do you need a bigger shivel?

Calling Somebody a Pratt is rude. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. Yes but with lots of money which SFC do not or did not have but he got us relegated. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the English game. How do you know the Dutch people no nothing about the English Game British TV is in every home in Holland Like Wenger can bring in good youngsters from their own country. I think Wenger and Fergusson are only still there because they are successful you only have to look at Newcastle Spurs and Man City to see managers being sacked because of the lack of Success. 3 Lowe’s Record for sacking managers is not bad as you suggest Jones was under a lot of pressure outside football and I think getting rid of him was the correct decision Hoddle left to go to Spurs. Gray was the wrong Appointment and should have been sacked . Strachan left for family reasons. Sturrock was not acceptable to the players and left by mutual consent. Wigley was unlucky with injuries and probably had to go. Redknapp was a disaster and took us down he was not sacked but returned to Pompey 4. Burley as you say took us to the Play Offs but do you think his judgement with the players he brought in was very good he also in similar circumstances took Ipswich down. 5. Yes we are both Saints fans with different points of view but please do not call people Pratt’s it upsets them just write your thoughts as you have now done and we can discuss them.

Calling Somebody a Pratt is rude.
Indeed which is why i did not call you one.
1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. Yes but with lots of money which SFC do not or did not have but he got us relegated.

I thought it is was Lowes mis management,as he was running the club and the selling of our better players. But of course this was nothing to do with Rupert

2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the English game. How do you know the Dutch people no nothing about the English Game British TV is in every home in Holland Like Wenger can bring in good youngsters from their own country.

Great so from watching TV, he will have an excellent understanding. And he's no Wenger is he? I think our budget might me a lttle smaller for bringing players, don't you.

I think Wenger and Fergusson are only still there because they are successful you only have to look at Newcastle Spurs and Man City to see managers being sacked because of the lack of Success.

Look at the clubs you list, they fire managers at least once a year. Sir Alex won nothing for 3 years. I rest my case...

3 Lowe’s Record for sacking managers is not bad as you suggest

Jones was under a lot of pressure outside football and I think getting rid of him was the correct decision.

Lowe's treatment of Jones was awful, Jones wanted to stay at the club.

Hoddle left to go to Spurs.

Agreed, written into his contract, we know that.

Gray was the wrong Appointment and should have been sacked .

Appointed by Lowe, i think that answers that one.

Strachan left for family reasons.

Rubbish Stractan wanted more money after the cup final to build, Lowe would not agree to this.

Sturrock was not acceptable to the players and left by mutual consent.

So who runs the club then, the players???
He's gone on to be a good manager

Wigley was unlucky with injuries and probably had to go.

The cheap choice appointed by Lowe

Redknapp was a disaster and took us down he was not sacked but returned to Pompey.

Because he was no allowed to manager, as he wanted. He was told by a player in training that Crouch was on his way to Liverpool.

4. Burley as you say took us to the Play Offs but do you think his judgement with the players he brought in was very good he also in similar circumstances took Ipswich down.

Now the new Scotland manager, he must be rubbish then. All the above appointments make by Lowe and no longer with us, Would does that tell us.

5. Yes we are both Saints fans with different points of view but please do not call people Pratt’s it upsets them just write your thoughts as you have now done and we can discuss them.

When did i call you a prat, although i guess its ok for you to call me igornant and not very sensible. Full of double standards, please see below.

Anyone for JCB

Saint wrote:

John B wrote:

Saint wrote:

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

John B wrote:

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated. Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one. Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated. I think we should try something. Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant. English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

Ok John I\\\'ll keep it simple, as I\\\'m igornant and not very sensible. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. One of the best English players in the present game today. I think the reason Harry left you will find was Mr Lowe. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the english game. We all know how cut throat the Champoinship can be. If Lowe had pucked a manager from the conference, would you be happy. At least he may of heard of some of our players. 3. Look at the most successful teams in recent years, Arsenal & Man U. The major reason they have won so much silverware. An understanding chairman who stood by their managers. Something our Mr Lowe might want to think about in the futher. How many managers is it now? 4. Burley as you say, couldn\\\'t pick a decent team, yet we were very nearly promoted. 5. Could you explain where I was rude to you in my first post. I was just stating some hard facts. Talking of which please see above. 6. We are both Saints fans with different points of view. 7. Do you need a bigger shivel?

You will never win with this guy! He has all the answers and thinks most if not all Saints fans have it wrong, and should be shown the light by him.

Yes I do think a large number of Saints Fans should accept that Lowe is here and not everything he does is wrong that would be statistically impossible. I dont think this Jan has much experience but I think the only way forward is to use our young player the likes of Powell Thomas Viafare BWP Makin Lka Skacel have not been successful and cost us loads of money. I just dont see anyway forward with a huge infux of cash

Look, I think you miss the point with most Saint fans you get in disscussion on here with, and you are most certainly miss guided and gullible. No one has said Lowe gets everything wrong. As to unsuccessful players, I most certainly can not agree with you with regards to Viafara and Licka. Possibly also Thomas. You also unfair about Makin, who has hardly played. As to costing us loads of money, well you might find your wrong on this too. As to using younger players ...yes. Though they need quality around them to develope, or they could just as easily be lost. This is a big gamble, and more so with a lower Dutch league coach who has done nothing really to date. Most fans have reservation about this, and rightly so. We all hope it works, though you seem to be happy to risk all, even if we end up in another relegation fight. Remenber other clubs know we will be using young talent, and behind close doors, they be telling there teams to scare the crap out of them! As to your post further up about manangers leaving. Yes you quote pretty much all as what was given at the time as an explanantion. Though you fail to understand that this was the polictical answer given to the media. Most could not continue with the restraintes Lowe put on them or lack of backing. For example Strachen would most likely stayed after the F.A cup if he got the finacial support he was hoping to get to take Saints onto the next level. Lowe failed and he left, like others before and after him. I am trying very hard to accept that you are a real Saints fan who gose to the games, and not just read papers. Please sometimes take time out to see what Saints fans are trying to say, and you may find another side to everything, because you seem to argue points out all the time with what I can see as only passionate and loyal Saints fans. With pride (dentented at the moment) and positive hopes and desires and dreams!

Thank You Excellent points, well put

Watch this space for next season,Jan will be a sensation for Saints,all of you might have to eat your words of what you have said about Lowe,Wilde and Jan.
Lets all stick together on this one.
Come on Jan and your super saints,make us great again.
Saints for ever
David Crook

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

John B wrote:

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

John B wrote:

billy 2 baps wrote:

John B wrote: Saints are in exactly the same situation as was the case with Burley and Scotland and numerous other managerial moves. Crouch said he wanted Burley to stay with SFC but of course everything was resolved in a couple of days. I except the same will happen here and Jan will be with us soon. I know this story will give the Anti-Lowe Brigade a good chance to rant but their only alternative appears to be Nigel Pearson who is probably over rated and wants too much money

John B,what about the alternative of a manager who knows this league or even English football in general. What about a manager who may of seen us play. What about a manager who has list of players he can bring there on a free or loan, the likes of Wright & Perry. Start thinking about other alternatives, and stop looking up Lowes backside. Scotland did not show their new manager off until the ALL paperwork was signed. Admit it,its a **** up and you know it. You have nailed your flag, so must feel you have to go along with this balls up. ,

Well Redknapp knows the Leagues and Players got us relegated. Burley knows the Leagues and Players but could not pick a decent one. Pearson knows the Leagues and Players very nearly got us relegated. I think we should try something. Being rude to me does not show you to be a sensible person and makes you appear ignorant. English Managers do not appear to very successful looking at Man U Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Spurs the only successful one appears to be Harry

Ok John I\\\'ll keep it simple, as I\\\'m igornant and not very sensible. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. One of the best English players in the present game today. I think the reason Harry left you will find was Mr Lowe. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the english game. We all know how cut throat the Champoinship can be. If Lowe had pucked a manager from the conference, would you be happy. At least he may of heard of some of our players. 3. Look at the most successful teams in recent years, Arsenal & Man U. The major reason they have won so much silverware. An understanding chairman who stood by their managers. Something our Mr Lowe might want to think about in the futher. How many managers is it now? 4. Burley as you say, couldn\\\'t pick a decent team, yet we were very nearly promoted. 5. Could you explain where I was rude to you in my first post. I was just stating some hard facts. Talking of which please see above. 6. We are both Saints fans with different points of view. 7. Do you need a bigger shivel?

Calling Somebody a Pratt is rude. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. Yes but with lots of money which SFC do not or did not have but he got us relegated. 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the English game. How do you know the Dutch people no nothing about the English Game British TV is in every home in Holland Like Wenger can bring in good youngsters from their own country. I think Wenger and Fergusson are only still there because they are successful you only have to look at Newcastle Spurs and Man City to see managers being sacked because of the lack of Success. 3 Lowe’s Record for sacking managers is not bad as you suggest Jones was under a lot of pressure outside football and I think getting rid of him was the correct decision Hoddle left to go to Spurs. Gray was the wrong Appointment and should have been sacked . Strachan left for family reasons. Sturrock was not acceptable to the players and left by mutual consent. Wigley was unlucky with injuries and probably had to go. Redknapp was a disaster and took us down he was not sacked but returned to Pompey 4. Burley as you say took us to the Play Offs but do you think his judgement with the players he brought in was very good he also in similar circumstances took Ipswich down. 5. Yes we are both Saints fans with different points of view but please do not call people Pratt’s it upsets them just write your thoughts as you have now done and we can discuss them.

Calling Somebody a Pratt is rude. Indeed which is why i did not call you one. 1. Look at what Redknapp has done without Lowe around. Yes but with lots of money which SFC do not or did not have but he got us relegated. I thought it is was Lowes mis management,as he was running the club and the selling of our better players. But of course this was nothing to do with Rupert 2. I never said we needed an English manager, just a manager who understands the English game. How do you know the Dutch people no nothing about the English Game British TV is in every home in Holland Like Wenger can bring in good youngsters from their own country. Great so from watching TV, he will have an excellent understanding. And he\'s no Wenger is he? I think our budget might me a lttle smaller for bringing players, don\'t you. I think Wenger and Fergusson are only still there because they are successful you only have to look at Newcastle Spurs and Man City to see managers being sacked because of the lack of Success. Look at the clubs you list, they fire managers at least once a year. Sir Alex won nothing for 3 years. I rest my case... 3 Lowe’s Record for sacking managers is not bad as you suggest Jones was under a lot of pressure outside football and I think getting rid of him was the correct decision. Lowe\'s treatment of Jones was awful, Jones wanted to stay at the club. Hoddle left to go to Spurs. Agreed, written into his contract, we know that. Gray was the wrong Appointment and should have been sacked . Appointed by Lowe, i think that answers that one. Strachan left for family reasons. Rubbish Stractan wanted more money after the cup final to build, Lowe would not agree to this. Sturrock was not acceptable to the players and left by mutual consent. So who runs the club then, the players??? He\'s gone on to be a good manager Wigley was unlucky with injuries and probably had to go. The cheap choice appointed by Lowe Redknapp was a disaster and took us down he was not sacked but returned to Pompey. Because he was no allowed to manager, as he wanted. He was told by a player in training that Crouch was on his way to Liverpool. 4. Burley as you say took us to the Play Offs but do you think his judgement with the players he brought in was very good he also in similar circumstances took Ipswich down. Now the new Scotland manager, he must be rubbish then. All the above appointments make by Lowe and no longer with us, Would does that tell us. 5. Yes we are both Saints fans with different points of view but please do not call people Pratt’s it upsets them just write your thoughts as you have now done and we can discuss them. When did i call you a prat, although i guess its ok for you to call me igornant and not very sensible. Full of double standards, please see below. Anyone for JCB

First of all I did not call you ignorant

I said being rude seems to to me that you are not a sensible person which appears to make you ignorant.

On the rest I think will have to disagree

1 On the History of SFC managers

2 The inability of SFC to find money to invest


In fact to move to the next level I would have thought would have cost an enormous amount of Money with significant risk

David Crook wrote:
Watch this space for next season,Jan will be a sensation for Saints,all of you might have to eat your words of what you have said about Lowe,Wilde and Jan. Lets all stick together on this one. Come on Jan and your super saints,make us great again. Saints for ever David Crook

This is one fan happy to eat his words, if it goes well. But would you do likewise, if it blows up in our faces?

Billy 2 Baps wrote:

David Crook wrote: Watch this space for next season,Jan will be a sensation for Saints,all of you might have to eat your words of what you have said about Lowe,Wilde and Jan. Lets all stick together on this one. Come on Jan and your super saints,make us great again. Saints for ever David Crook

This is one fan happy to eat his words, if it goes well. But would you do likewise, if it blows up in our faces?

Dear Billy 2 Baps,
I have been so disappointed with the saints over the last few years,I just have to be positive on this one.
David Crook

the thing you must remember folks is that Rupert Lowe or Michael Wilde do not have a commercial clue about doing business. God help you all!!!!

tom319@btinternet.co
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Solent Saint wrote:

Andy P wrote:

Itchen to Reply wrote: Good old Rupert the bear. You will finish this great club of ours off forever. The 'mess' you came back to is the mess you created in the first place! Don't forget that. Has anyone else heard that Lowe and Wilde did not have the decency to inform Nigel Pearson personally that he was no longer manager? Pearson told Sky Sports from Malta, where he is on holiday he only found out through them. What a bloody disgrace, and very poor management skills. Rupert Lowe and Co you should be ashamed of yourselves. Drag yourselves down but don't drag our team through the mire with you!

Sums Lowe and his type up,wait until someones back is turnt and stab. Lowe waiting until Pearson was on holiday before telling him,Lowe why dont you try and grow some BALLS man.

Andy P, why don't you head off with the rest of the anti Rupert brigade to Eastleigh as promised and leave us true Saints fans to await and see what happens. Rupert is here to stay and rules ok. Put-up or shut-up.

Behave,divvy.
You are of the same breed as Lowe and all the other plastic supporters who know absolutely nothing about football.
I will give you the same advice,grow a pair of balls and then maybe you might become a man.
Yes you are a true Saints fan,of course you are,NOT.
Time for your medicine Tim but Dim.

PLACE: The Office of Mr R Lowe
PRESENT:The Fly and Another
Another is looking out of the office window at the luscious green turf of the St Marys football pitch and the hopes of the new season. Suddenly the door crashes open and in strides a beaming Mr Lowe. Another hurriedly gathers up some papers to make it look as if he has been busy.
MR LOWE: "I've done it. The fans will love me. The FA will pay me thousands to have me back. I have made the greatest football manager appointment since whats his name invented that round thing, you know...on the tip of my tongue... Yes thats it..the football"
Another (Trying to look excited): "What are his credentials?"
Mr Lowe (Looking in a mirror, cleaning his teeth with a toothpick in preparation for his smiling news conference):Managed for 27 years, promoted nine times, had more teams than I have had managers and he is only asking for £30,000 a year!!"
Another (sitting bolt upright): "Can I see his CV?"
Mr Lowe (Successfully extracting a small duck feather from his left nostril which had been irritating him all day) "Here" and throws down the CV in triumph.
Another (Scanning quickly through the document) " Amazing, wonderful you will be hailed as the Messiah of the football world, your statue will adorn Wembley Way ..... Whoops, have you read the smallprint?"
Mr Lowe (Walking over to the window and wondering why the goal posts are so small and have nets. Probably cost cutting on wood he thinks): "Smallprint, I invented the word, Another!!"
Another: "He has been a dustman all his life and worked his way up. He has never worked for a football club in his life!!"
Lowe (Pursing his lips and sucking air through the small gap in his front teeth) " Yoiks, Another, you are a little more dense than usual today. You know that, I know that but we leave that bit out. The Echo will never check his background, the fans are too illiterate to get to the last sentence even if we did publish the whole thing and a few of those postings under various names you do so well in the Echo will sort it."
Another: "But what about the players and the money the fans are going to pay?"
Mr Lowe (Sinking his teeth into a particularly creamy bun): "You just dont get the whole picture do you. The new manager is an expert at finding rubbish and an expert at hiding it or disposing of it at a good price claiming it helps the environment. Good Government spin that, dont you think? Gordon is bound to invite me to number ten. I can see the headlines now: Rupert Lowe saves environment through football. Must be worth a KCMG at least".
Another: "And the supporters?"
Mr Lowe: "What have they got to do with anything? Read a posting from some serf who has been coming to this club for fifty years mentions paople like Channon, Keegan, Ball, George, Le Tissier.... These idiots do drone on. Money is all that matters, now rugby well......
The Fly loses interest at this point and settles itself upon the cream bun. Making itself comfortable it defecates upon the next piece to enter Mr Lowes mouth.

What's the old saying?YOU PAY PEANUTS AND YOU GET MONKEYS SEEMS TO BE COMING TRUE BEFORE OUR EYES.It's seems The this is an all time Lowe.Goodbye common sense hello the dream factory!I do support the new team I just fear they will be out of their depth.

tom mcloughlin wrote:
the thing you must remember folks is that Rupert Lowe or Michael Wilde do not have a commercial clue about doing business. God help you all!!!! tom319@btinternet.co m

You Fool

what a devesting situation sfc are in now lowe and wilde are back no person would treat an animal like lowe and wild has treated legend lawrrie and leon crouch who had sfc only at heart and brought stableblity to the club by bring in nigel pearson who must be devarsted at what has happed to him looks like lowe and wild are going to carry on their performance of getting a differnt mangers every few months and it looks like they have fallen at the first hurdle with in weeks of coming back thanks lawrie leon and nigel pearson for all that they done at sfc come back soon please cos the other two monkeys are only in it for the money

Rupert Lowe unveiled shock signing Ronaldo to an astonished footballing papparazi.

The player himself had struggled to maintain his silence since his Champions league win in Moscow and the reasons why were revealed when he stepped out from behind a bright red curtain in the Mick Channon suite.

"I felt that after the Champions League final there was nothing left for me to achieve in the game" stated the Portugese International, "However when I found out that Rupert was back in charge at Saints i felt that spark of excitement return, I contacted my agent and said get me on the next Virgin Voyager to Southampton Central"

"When I sat in the stands on the day Saints were relegated I realised that Wayne & I were not the most hated men in the ground, this was not a feeling we were used to, we knew that these were special fans, I knew I had to right the great wrong that my team mates had perpetuated, I told no one apart from Roy Keane, sadly his attempts that day to inform Saints supporters that they might get two of our squad were misinterpretted as he warmd down"

However as Man Utd fans mourned it became clear that all was not well with Saints fans, polls on the saints forum revealed that 98% thought Rupert should resign for failing to land Rooney as well, 75% felt betrayed because they thought we should be buying Dutch players, 80% said that Ronaldo wasnt local and had played hockey at school so was therefore unwelcome and 94% stated that when was someone with a name like Ronaldo a footballing man.

On other internet message boards fans like Imthegreatest saintsfansincetheclu
bwasformedin2001Sain
t summed up the mood. " Lowe doesnt understand football, Saints have a footballing tradition of getting in washed up players in their mid 30's and taking their careers even more downhill, whats he doing signing Ronaldo when Chris Lucketti is available"

Lowe himself was unavailable for comment, smuggled out of the stadium as a mob of irate supporters assembled outside, held back by a combination of stewards and riot police, effigys of Lowe were burnt on a bonfire of hockey sticks whilst Old age pensioners spat on the floor at the mention of his name.

"Its like Lew Chatterley has been erased from the history books" said one old timer, "by signing Ronaldo, Lowe has shown he is clueless when it comes to football