Oh great, more spoon feeding for people who are too stupid to drive at a speed appropriate for the situation...

2 fatal accidents in 26 years hardly constitutes an accident black spot.

So, some speedfreak hothead in a Scoobydoo takes a corner to fast and gets his comeuppance and suddenly it's up to the poor old tax payer to stump up for 'traffic calming' measures. How about a speed camera, that should do the trick.

Or better still, why don't these idiots slow down at a sharp bend ? Won't be doing that again anyway.

Common factors - yep excess of bravado over driving talent.
If you can't handle the car in all conditions don't push it. I am not sure it could be any more simple could it?
Why is it the council's fault?
Did they change the road? Dare him to drive like an idiot..? some who I doubt it. If you are driving sensibly you don;t need to have a sign warning of a bend - you would use your eyes and see it.
If you want to drive like that join a motorclub and take part in grass roots motorsport. Off the public highway and under carefully controlled conditions.

Hugh Carres wrote:
So, some speedfreak hothead in a Scoobydoo takes a corner to fast and gets his comeuppance and suddenly it's up to the poor old tax payer to stump up for 'traffic calming' measures. How about a speed camera, that should do the trick. Or better still, why don't these idiots slow down at a sharp bend ? Won't be doing that again anyway.

Totally agree.
If people are stupid enough to drive at break neck speeds on narrow winding country roads, then career off and kill themselves. WHY SHOULD the taxpayers have to suffer.
As taxpayers we are already stumped with the emergency services bill for this.
Road calming doesn't stop these idiots only move them to another road. And spoils the road for everyone else causing BOTTLENECKS in heavy summer traffic.

Why does everyone blam the drivers? if the roads where maintained, and the farmers cleaned up the mud that their tractors left behind, then perhaps tragic accidents like this would not occur.

It's always sad at the loss of any life. However when you drive a car you are in control of a dangerous weapon. When will people learn to stick to speed limits. They are imposed for a reason and that reason is not designed to annoy the motorist. I'm sure that the inquest will give details of the speeds and conditions of the road, driver etc when the accident occurred. Then we should make judgements on whether traffic calming should be put in place. I would be far more in favour of the money being spent on the appalling condition of the road surface between Rollestone Cross roads and Langley Tavern.

Sue Barrow wrote:
Why does everyone blam the drivers? if the roads where maintained, and the farmers cleaned up the mud that their tractors left behind, then perhaps tragic accidents like this would not occur.

Of course the driver is to blame. Look at the photo of the car. How could you possibly drive down a narrow country route and ruin the car that badly without going irrisponsibly too fast.

Dee Pee wrote:

Sue Barrow wrote:
Why does everyone blam the drivers? if the roads where maintained, and the farmers cleaned up the mud that their tractors left behind, then perhaps tragic accidents like this would not occur.

Of course the driver is to blame. Look at the photo of the car. How could you possibly drive down a narrow country route and ruin the car that badly without going irrisponsibly too fast.

To be fair I suspect a fair amount of damage to the car was done whilst trying to rescue the occupants. But I am in agreement with you that the driver was obviously travelling too fast for his abilities.

Squashy wrote:

Dee Pee wrote:

Sue Barrow wrote:
Why does everyone blam the drivers? if the roads where maintained, and the farmers cleaned up the mud that their tractors left behind, then perhaps tragic accidents like this would not occur.

Of course the driver is to blame. Look at the photo of the car. How could you possibly drive down a narrow country route and ruin the car that badly without going irrisponsibly too fast.

To be fair I suspect a fair amount of damage to the car was done whilst trying to rescue the occupants. But I am in agreement with you that the driver was obviously travelling too fast for his abilities.

Nonsense, this was a bunch of lads out having a bit of fun in their car.

Surely we should be chopping down trees so close to the roadside, making a run-off area if you do lose it on the apex of a corner. This would saves lives.

Dee Pee wrote:

Sue Barrow wrote:
Why does everyone blam the drivers? if the roads where maintained, and the farmers cleaned up the mud that their tractors left behind, then perhaps tragic accidents like this would not occur.

Of course the driver is to blame. Look at the photo of the car. How could you possibly drive down a narrow country route and ruin the car that badly without going irrisponsibly too fast.

Exactly. I enjoy a nice blast around the countryside as much as the next guy, and the trick is to be doing a speed that's appropriate to the conditions. Every idiot knows that country roads can have sharp corners, or mud on the road, or any number of other hazards. This guy took an uncalculated gamble, and lost. Nobody to blame but the driver

slow down

"There's a long, straight piece of road before you get to the corner, but there isn't even a sign warning of a bend."

Is the fact that the road bends not enough of a sign that there's a bend? Or the fact that there are trees in front of you rather than open road? You've even got a long straight bit of road before hand to prepare yourself.

Iain wrote:
"There's a long, straight piece of road before you get to the corner,
but there isn't even a sign warning of a bend."
Is the fact that the road bends not enough of a sign that there's a
bend? Or the fact that there are trees in front of you rather than open
road? You've even got a long straight bit of road before hand to
prepare yourself.

Apparently not. I'd love to say "we don't need this sort of baby-sitting", but it's pretty clear that, actually, a lot of people do. If calming measures are introduced, no doubt that opens the door for the families of the victims to sue someone for failing to highlight the danger

Where they using SATNAV? I have fond that the satnav cannot give you a optimal read out of the route of a road at high speed, several times I have come-up fast on a hairpin that has not shown up on the satnav screen untill after I have slid round it. Until the technology can keep up with a car I think they should put bigger warnings of approaching bends. Is there a download-able upgrade that can dpeed up a Tom Tom?

Hairey Bear wrote:
Where they using SATNAV? I have fond that the satnav cannot give you a
optimal read out of the route of a road at high speed, several times I
have come-up fast on a hairpin that has not shown up on the satnav
screen untill after I have slid round it. Until the technology can keep
up with a car I think they should put bigger warnings of approaching
bends. Is there a download-able upgrade that can dpeed up a Tom Tom?

Please be joking

George wrote:

Hairey Bear wrote: Where they using SATNAV? I have fond that the satnav cannot give you a optimal read out of the route of a road at high speed, several times I have come-up fast on a hairpin that has not shown up on the satnav screen untill after I have slid round it. Until the technology can keep up with a car I think they should put bigger warnings of approaching bends. Is there a download-able upgrade that can dpeed up a Tom Tom?

Please be joking

will satnav work on a cycle? if so does it have the cycle routes on it?

Lol at the comments "Look at his car"

Do people really believe hitting a tree head on would remove a roof, doors and rear window?

no, the fire brigrade do that when they cut the car open to get the poor sucker out. I love they way newspapers use these photo's too make the cars look worse. lol.

Silly poo wrote:
Lol at the comments "Look at his car"

Do people really believe hitting a tree head on would remove a roof, doors and rear window?

no, the fire brigrade do that when they cut the car open to get the poor sucker out. I love they way newspapers use these photo's too make the cars look worse. lol.

Are you suggestign that the car was merely grazed by the accident. That would be so unfitting - these boys went out in a blaze of glory, not a slight prang.

I did more damage than that to my Scooby when I caught a deer head-on last winter. It roasted up lovely but worked out about £100 per pound.....

Baldy Badger wrote:

Silly poo wrote: Lol at the comments "Look at his car" Do people really believe hitting a tree head on would remove a roof, doors and rear window? no, the fire brigrade do that when they cut the car open to get the poor sucker out. I love they way newspapers use these photo's too make the cars look worse. lol.

Are you suggestign that the car was merely grazed by the accident. That would be so unfitting - these boys went out in a blaze of glory, not a slight prang. I did more damage than that to my Scooby when I caught a deer head-on last winter. It roasted up lovely but worked out about £100 per pound.....

It's people like you that ruin the countryside, poaching deer.

Its always sad when someone loses their lives.......mainly for the family left behind. For you Hairey Bear - I hope you were joking - drop the useless sat nav and get back to driving the car yourself!
If not suggest you take an IAM advanced driving course - then you will learn how to approach a corner and exit safely at speed! You should not need any amount of road signs to tell you whats ahead - your brain should do that for you!!

George wrote:

Hairey Bear wrote: Where they using SATNAV? I have fond that the satnav cannot give you a optimal read out of the route of a road at high speed, several times I have come-up fast on a hairpin that has not shown up on the satnav screen untill after I have slid round it. Until the technology can keep up with a car I think they should put bigger warnings of approaching bends. Is there a download-able upgrade that can dpeed up a Tom Tom?

Please be joking

My boy friend Kev has noticed the same thing. So now he drives the road a couple of times before going at speed. This is much more sensible. He is ever so careful with me in the car.

Sue Barrow wrote:

George wrote:

Hairey Bear wrote: Where they using SATNAV? I have fond that the satnav cannot give you a optimal read out of the route of a road at high speed, several times I have come-up fast on a hairpin that has not shown up on the satnav screen untill after I have slid round it. Until the technology can keep up with a car I think they should put bigger warnings of approaching bends. Is there a download-able upgrade that can dpeed up a Tom Tom?

Please be joking

My boy friend Kev has noticed the same thing. So now he drives the road a couple of times before going at speed. This is much more sensible. He is ever so careful with me in the car.

Me, I prefer good old-fashioned knowing what a corner looks like

There are lots of very silly comments on here, I was nearly hit on this road recently by two morons in Novas, not sure if they were 1.0's or the mighty 1.2's, racing eachother. These mindless lunatics had obviously only been driving for a few months & have no understanding whatsoever of the danger they cause to everyone else & probably won't until they kill someone. Unfortunately, even the price of Insurance & Fuel can't price these people off the road, so we have to live with them & wll have to install something on the road, at great expense, to force them to slow down, as they are incapable of understanding that if a road is narrow & has bends in it, it might be advisable to slow down. It is always sad when someone dies, particularly when their own actions appear to have contributed,but at the same time, Im glad to see another Subaru off the road.

Baldy Badger wrote:

Squashy wrote:

Dee Pee wrote:

Sue Barrow wrote: Why does everyone blam the drivers? if the roads where maintained, and the farmers cleaned up the mud that their tractors left behind, then perhaps tragic accidents like this would not occur.

Of course the driver is to blame. Look at the photo of the car. How could you possibly drive down a narrow country route and ruin the car that badly without going irrisponsibly too fast.

To be fair I suspect a fair amount of damage to the car was done whilst trying to rescue the occupants. But I am in agreement with you that the driver was obviously travelling too fast for his abilities.

Nonsense, this was a bunch of lads out having a bit of fun in their car. Surely we should be chopping down trees so close to the roadside, making a run-off area if you do lose it on the apex of a corner. This would saves lives.

I agree with chopping down the trees to make a run off area. Yes it may encourage people to speed..but as so many people have pointed out, when people die its the family and friends that suffer. The front passenger Steven who died was someone I loved very much.. and i know since the night he died his family and friends have felt so hollow and empty..as I'm sure Bretts family do. So if chopping down a few trees could save so many people from hurting like this then i wish they would. The boys are gone..but we're the ones suffering.

Silly poo wrote:
Lol at the comments "Look at his car" Do people really believe hitting a tree head on would remove a roof, doors and rear window? no, the fire brigrade do that when they cut the car open to get the poor sucker out. I love they way newspapers use these photo's too make the cars look worse. lol.

Believe me, the car didn't look a lot better when it was wrapped aound the tree. Also it didn't hit head on, it hit side on, on its roof.

we used to have a subaru driving at speed round calshot (at night). I haven't seen it recently and its a lot quieter!

I have no time for these people who drive like idiots. Ultimately they get what they deserve.

pikey wrote:
I have no time for these people who drive like idiots. Ultimately they get what they deserve.

i have no time for these people that speak like idiots.
hopefully they get what they deserve.
pikey...you are so holier than thou..we strive to be as perfect as you!!

pikey wrote:
I have no time for these people who drive like idiots. Ultimately they get what they deserve.
i have no time for these people that speak like idiots.
hopefully they get what they deserve.
pikey...you are so holier than thou..we strive to be as perfect as you!!

drive too fast and you risk death. Drive too fast in my area and you risk killing me or members of my family. If only those are culpable die then that is not the worst outcome!

sceptic wrote:

pikey wrote: I have no time for these people who drive like idiots. Ultimately they get what they deserve. i have no time for these people that speak like idiots. hopefully they get what they deserve. pikey...you are so holier than thou..we strive to be as perfect as you!!

drive too fast and you risk death. Drive too fast in my area and you risk killing me or members of my family. If only those are culpable die then that is not the worst outcome!

i agree that the outcome could have been worst..and thankfully it wasnt. but i hate people that come on here and pass judgment on people tat they dont even know..in fact until the investigation has concluded then no one even knows exactly what happened!! everyone is just speculating and passing judgment on these boys that have lost their lives and aren't here to defend themselves!
i'm pretty sure 'pikey' is only saying those comments as he's hiding behind a computer..i'm sure if he came face to face with the mother of these boys..well he wouldnt be so 'brave'. i find him to be a total coward actually!

and by the way i also find it offensive that everyone is only saying these comments as it was young men in the car.
if an elderly couple driving the same car had exactly the same accident..well everyone would be saying what a tragidy it was..that the road must have been wet or some other factor..they wouldnt immediatly have come to the conclusion that they must have been speeding and got what they 'deserved'. you only pass judgment on these boys because they were young.
i cant speak for brett..but steven was a lovely guy..always had time for everyone and everyone who met him loved him..probably sounds like somebody you know. i dont appreciate comments such as he deserved it because trust me he didnt!

Is there an element of Darwinism in this event?