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6:02pm Thursday 24th July 2008
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SAINTS have this morning announced the club is expected to make a pre-tax loss of about £5m for the financial year.
The board of parent company Southampton Leisure Holdings provided the Stock Exchange with a trading update, prior to releasing its financial results for the year ending June 30, 2008.
Saints' share price fell from 30p to 27p this morning in the wake of the announcement, a decline of ten per cent.
Finance director David Jones said: "The Company has seen a number of management changes during the financial year and with the preliminary announcement of the year's results to 30 June 2008 not due for 10 to 12 weeks, we thought it would be appropriate to provide all stakeholders with an indication of the financial results for the year just completed.
Click here for the full statement
"With the loss of the parachute payment from the Premier League and reduced ticket and commercial income, revenue for the year is expected to be around £14m with a loss before tax of around £5m."
The update said the results would "show an increase in the level of borrowings, which has necessitated extensive discussions with the company's bank and loan note hold."
However, it said both were remaining supportive of the current board's approach to the future.
PLC board chairman Rupert Lowe said: "The directors are aware that this is clearly not sustainable and are concentrating on reducing costs, however the directors remain hopeful about the prospects for the forthcoming season.
"Jan Poortvliet and Mark Wotte are very excited about what will be a young dynamic team determined to play fast and attractive football.
Watch the interview with Rupert Lowe - click here
"I hope everyone involved with the club will get behind Jan, Mark and the team."
Football club chairman Michael Wilde added: "This close season has proved to be a difficult time for the new board, with many major decisions needing to be taken both on the football and operating sides of the business.
"It has been important to act swiftly to arrest the financial decline of the company and we believe we have made major strides in this direction over the period since regaining control.
"Significantly, the board have also committed itself to the adoption of a new direction for the football club, which has been designed to stabilise, sustain and protect its long-term financial future whilst still allowing the club to remain competitive in football terms.
"We firmly believe that the future rests with our talented youngsters who, supported by experienced role models, will help create a team ultimately capable of competing at the highest levels.
"Management, coaching and playing staff are all fully supportive of the board's new approach and we are all looking forward to the new season with renewed enthusiasm and pride."
Southampton Leisure Holdings expects to release its audited accounts in October.
Einstein, Southern Hampshire says...
11:58am Thu 24 Jul 08
dangerousMike, under the bottom of the rug says...
12:02pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Simon, says...
12:12pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Graham, Herts says...
12:20pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Simon wrote:I have posted before that Chelsea and M.U.have a joint debt of £700m plus although it has been pointed out that they are "managed" debts.
But not as much as the loss expected from Chelsea FC....
Simon, London says...
12:37pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Graham wrote:£5m is the pre-tax loss for the year not the total debt for the club!!
Simon wrote: But not as much as the loss expected from Chelsea FC....I have posted before that Chelsea and M.U.have a joint debt of £700m plus although it has been pointed out that they are "managed" debts. Dare we say that £5m is manageable or is that just tempting fate? Graham's personal wealth has just shrunk by another £15 with the shares dropping. No more meat pies 'til after Christmas
Obvious, says...
12:44pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Paul, London says...
12:52pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Barnacle Bill, with my feet well and truly on the gronud says...
12:57pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Martin Betts, Suffolk says...
12:59pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Sceptic, says...
1:02pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Lost Soul, a former Saints fan never to return says...
1:10pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Question, says...
1:12pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Graham, Herts says...
1:22pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Simon wrote:Having a bad day. Many thanks
Graham wrote:£5m is the pre-tax loss for the year not the total debt for the club!!Simon wrote: But not as much as the loss expected from Chelsea FC....I have posted before that Chelsea and M.U.have a joint debt of £700m plus although it has been pointed out that they are "managed" debts. Dare we say that £5m is manageable or is that just tempting fate? Graham's personal wealth has just shrunk by another £15 with the shares dropping. No more meat pies 'til after Christmas
Saint Stephen, fareham says...
1:27pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Football Fan, says...
1:31pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Barnacle Bill wrote:The same applies to dozens of other clubs too, it is the problem with football in general at the moment, the rich clubs get richer, the rest struggle to survive.
All of you people who think Lowe is such an astute business man should note that when he came into the club we were relatively wealthy with major assets in terms of players and other resources, an international reputation, and healthy support. Where are we now? No assets left to strip, a bare playing staff, all our good players gone, 50% of fans no longer going to games, the club in debt and the share price a fraction of what it was and on top of all that we have become a laughing stock. That sounds like pretty astute business management to me. And it is going to get worse for only a naive fool would suggest that our team of older players (and not particularly good ones at that) and a clutch of boys still in the early stages of their development is going to keep us in this division. Not long ago I would get very angry with Lowe\'s leadership now I am heartbroken at what he has done to our great club. Before any one tells me that I am not wanted at St Mary\'s because I am being negative (for which read realistic) about what has happened you better check out whether Lowe agrees with you. I think he wants me to be there for he wants my money despite the fact that I loathe him. I love my club and the team and all my fellow fans. What I dont like is the way our club has been wrecked and that is down to Lowe. It is impossible for anyone to claim that they love the Saints and in the same breath say they support Lowe (unless of course you are paid to say it as part of your PR brief).
Aaron Dear, Southampton says...
1:32pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Sceptic wrote:ummm, isn't that what we did last year? Reduced season ticket prices to "Pack out the stadium" and we made a £5m loss.
So what has Lowe & Wilde done to address the fact we now have 9,500 season ticket holders? A figure lower than we even had at the Dell! Surely to make more money and improve cashflow, the best way is to pack out the stadium by making ticket prices more attractive? But that sort of thinking is alien to Rupert, he'd rather have crowds of 15,000 paying full price than 32,000 paying half price. I'm fully expecting the emotional blackmail to be laid on thick and fast from our rich friends on the board telling fans that it's OUR FAULT the club is in a mess.
Graham, Herts says...
1:33pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Sceptic wrote:Simply don't believe that Woopert would opt for your scenario.
So what has Lowe & Wilde done to address the fact we now have 9,500 season ticket holders? A figure lower than we even had at the Dell! Surely to make more money and improve cashflow, the best way is to pack out the stadium by making ticket prices more attractive? But that sort of thinking is alien to Rupert, he'd rather have crowds of 15,000 paying full price than 32,000 paying half price. I'm fully expecting the emotional blackmail to be laid on thick and fast from our rich friends on the board telling fans that it's OUR FAULT the club is in a mess.
dangerousMike, living in a bin now, bloody credit crunch says...
1:42pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Loyal, says...
2:28pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Pete wynn, Durley says...
2:31pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Stephen, fareham says...
2:37pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Solent Saint, Netley says...
2:39pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Stephen wrote:Day two of the school holidays!
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you , please leave now or thire wont be a club for anyone to support.
saint stephen, fareham says...
2:39pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Loyal wrote:Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you , please leave now or thire wont be a club for anyone to support.
I am just relieved Lowe is at the helm now.At least he is capable of steadying our financial crisis. And with the Dutch guys in charge we know there is a long term plan to turn things around on the pitch which will,of course, eventually help our financial position.
Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere says...
2:41pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Blind Fool wrote:So to stop Lowe 'killing' SFC you would erm.... 'kill' SFC?
I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.
Saints Fan, says...
2:42pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Blind Fool wrote:That is the exact attitude taht got us in the mess.
I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.
Famished, Hungary says...
2:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Blind Fool wrote:Did you say KFC?
I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.
the vengeful cabbage, patched into the sky says...
2:47pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Pete Lost, says...
2:48pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Pete wynn wrote:Pompey isn't exactly a "big" club is it?
I'm sorry but i do find this funny.. Southampton are a SMALL club and they should be non league. So it's no wonder they are in debt. I hope they go into administration - That would be really amusing. Play up Pompey
saint stephen, Fareham says...
2:49pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saints Fan wrote:Ive supported the club over 40 years. This is the first time in 30 years that I will not renew my season ticket. Lowe leave ane leave now.
Blind Fool wrote: I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.That is the exact attitude taht got us in the mess. No one man is bigger than the club, support the club and it will rise again. People who are staying away are not hurting Lowe thay are hurting THEIR club.
Accountant, says...
2:51pm Thu 24 Jul 08
the vengeful cabbage wrote:Not sure about this.
Breaking news, I just lost a pound down the back of the sofa! This is more important than the fact that some idiot accountant let the club get itself into this mess. And still nobody has explained how the club managed to loose the £20million + in transfer fees. We are being taken for idiots by some beetroot faced arse biscuit.
Egomaniac, Southampton says...
2:54pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Stephen, fareham says...
3:01pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Sick of the Lowe luvvy spin, from PR guys for these people aint fans says...
3:01pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Football Fan wrote:We were part of that Murdoch gravy train and doing well except a very poor series of management decisions by you know who got us pushed off of it. We are a club in many ways similar to Spurs and they have survived and so should we have done. You can put what ever spin and twist you like on it but we are where we are thanks to Rupert Lowe and no one else. His presence at SFC is dividing the clubs fan base and further adding to its problems. You people with your heads in the sand do not know how much he is hated. I go to every game and I cheer and shout fot the team but I do not buy anything other than my ticket. Rupert lowe has to go if the club is to be saved.
Barnacle Bill wrote: All of you people who think Lowe is such an astute business man should note that when he came into the club we were relatively wealthy with major assets in terms of players and other resources, an international reputation, and healthy support. Where are we now? No assets left to strip, a bare playing staff, all our good players gone, 50% of fans no longer going to games, the club in debt and the share price a fraction of what it was and on top of all that we have become a laughing stock. That sounds like pretty astute business management to me. And it is going to get worse for only a naive fool would suggest that our team of older players (and not particularly good ones at that) and a clutch of boys still in the early stages of their development is going to keep us in this division. Not long ago I would get very angry with Lowe\'s leadership now I am heartbroken at what he has done to our great club. Before any one tells me that I am not wanted at St Mary\'s because I am being negative (for which read realistic) about what has happened you better check out whether Lowe agrees with you. I think he wants me to be there for he wants my money despite the fact that I loathe him. I love my club and the team and all my fellow fans. What I dont like is the way our club has been wrecked and that is down to Lowe. It is impossible for anyone to claim that they love the Saints and in the same breath say they support Lowe (unless of course you are paid to say it as part of your PR brief).The same applies to dozens of other clubs too, it is the problem with football in general at the moment, the rich clubs get richer, the rest struggle to survive. Blame Murdoch and UEFA before you blame Lowe.
Lowe and Behold, St Marys hotseat says...
3:03pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Stephen wrote:Not "Mavis the donkey"
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you.
Saint stephen, fareham says...
3:04pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Sick of the Lowe luvvy spin wrote:Beat POST TODAY WELL DONE.
Football Fan wrote:We were part of that Murdoch gravy train and doing well except a very poor series of management decisions by you know who got us pushed off of it. We are a club in many ways similar to Spurs and they have survived and so should we have done. You can put what ever spin and twist you like on it but we are where we are thanks to Rupert Lowe and no one else. His presence at SFC is dividing the clubs fan base and further adding to its problems. You people with your heads in the sand do not know how much he is hated. I go to every game and I cheer and shout fot the team but I do not buy anything other than my ticket. Rupert lowe has to go if the club is to be saved.Barnacle Bill wrote: All of you people who think Lowe is such an astute business man should note that when he came into the club we were relatively wealthy with major assets in terms of players and other resources, an international reputation, and healthy support. Where are we now? No assets left to strip, a bare playing staff, all our good players gone, 50% of fans no longer going to games, the club in debt and the share price a fraction of what it was and on top of all that we have become a laughing stock. That sounds like pretty astute business management to me. And it is going to get worse for only a naive fool would suggest that our team of older players (and not particularly good ones at that) and a clutch of boys still in the early stages of their development is going to keep us in this division. Not long ago I would get very angry with Lowe\'s leadership now I am heartbroken at what he has done to our great club. Before any one tells me that I am not wanted at St Mary\'s because I am being negative (for which read realistic) about what has happened you better check out whether Lowe agrees with you. I think he wants me to be there for he wants my money despite the fact that I loathe him. I love my club and the team and all my fellow fans. What I dont like is the way our club has been wrecked and that is down to Lowe. It is impossible for anyone to claim that they love the Saints and in the same breath say they support Lowe (unless of course you are paid to say it as part of your PR brief).The same applies to dozens of other clubs too, it is the problem with football in general at the moment, the rich clubs get richer, the rest struggle to survive. Blame Murdoch and UEFA before you blame Lowe.
Lowe In, says...
3:04pm Thu 24 Jul 08
LOWE OUT wrote:I have far more of a clue than you will ever have, as I can take a subjective view on the matter, rather than a blinkered "Lowe Out" attitude.
Lowe In wrote:well done mate you aint got a bloody clue ave ya RIP SAINTSQuestion wrote: This announcement has seen the club\'s share price drop 10% to 27p. Why did they need to make an announcement now? There\'s no statutory requirement to do so. There is definitely something fishy going on somewhere between Lowe and Wilde. Are they driving down the share price to make it cheaper for them to buy more shares to strengthen their position? Either to profit from a takeover (some hope) or to make it almost impossible to ever get shot of them no matter how bad a job they do? This doesn\'t add up. Once again, our club is being toyed with by people who do not have it\'s best interests at heart.Biggest load of b******t ever written on here. The last board were losing money at a rate never seen before and would have bankrupted the club within weeks. Lowe and Wilde have returned and tried their absolute best to stabilise the club and keep it afloat, yet idiots like you STILL cannot see this.
the vengeful cabbage, i may be green but i'm also cabbage looking says...
3:08pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Accountant wrote:So why didn't some bright spark turn round and say "well actually i've analysed our predicted income aginst probable outoings for the four year period post relegation and the sh1t is about to hit the fan?". Instead beetroot faced kn0b head just went on ahead insituting a ploan of constant squad regeneration and trying to bring in big name signings that were asking too much for wages. The point is this, Who the hell does Rupert Lowe think he is? I'm sick and tired of his poncing around all lah-dee-dah like pretending anybody likes him. It scares me to think that the board allowed him to form Southampton leisure holdings because it means now we cant get rid of him and his spineless yes men.
the vengeful cabbage wrote: Breaking news, I just lost a pound down the back of the sofa! This is more important than the fact that some idiot accountant let the club get itself into this mess. And still nobody has explained how the club managed to loose the £20million + in transfer fees. We are being taken for idiots by some beetroot faced arse biscuit.Not sure about this. With rising costs in terms of bank borrowings and inflation.. i can hazard a guess where the money went. Did you think SFC had money to spare when they built the stadium?
Saints Fan, says...
3:09pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Would we?, says...
3:17pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saints Fan wrote:No we wouldn't.
If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
saint stephen, Fareham says...
3:18pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saints Fan wrote:We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints
If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
Egomaniac, Southampton says...
3:19pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Blind Fool, says...
3:20pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Compo wrote:Ha ha ha..
Blind Fool wrote: I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.Your pen name says it all. Tosh! At last we again have a Chairman who understands the financial aspects of running a football club. Without his return you wouldn't have a team to support this time next year (assuming you really are a Saints supporter, Blind Fool). We should get behind the new management team - in the boardroom and on the field. The operating loss to be reported for the year just ended is totally unsustainable. This season is crucial for the club. Success on the pitch will bring in the crowds. But we mustn't overexpect for the coming season. I would be very happy with a top ten finish (and hopefully without flirting with relegation at any stage!). More important will be signs that the youngsters are coming through and can form the base for a promotion team in a couple of years time. Support your team and be patient. The youngsters must not be demoralised by whingeing fans. COYR
?, says...
3:22pm Thu 24 Jul 08
saint stephen wrote:Who do you want instead?
Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
the vengeful cabbage, at least i dont smell as bad as this guy says...
3:23pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac wrote:Oh sorry did my opinon differ from yours? Just back from Zimabwe or are we still calling it Rhoddesia?
vengeful cabbage: Did you by any chance go to the same educational establishment as Saint Stephen? It's just that there are several similarities in your ability to use abusive language and name calling. Says a great deal about you and your prejudicial attitude to people who may just be a bit more successful and affluent than you. If you can't debate without recourse to abuse, then please don't bother - you show yourself up to be what you are - an ignorant bigot!
Egomaniac, Southampton says...
3:26pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac, Southampton says...
3:30pm Thu 24 Jul 08
the Vengeful Cabbage, Cabbage Cabbage Cabbage Cabbage mushroom says...
3:38pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac wrote:Thank you for showing yourself to be completely ignorant of any history, art, or social culture that has occured outside of St Marys in the last 50 years. It did make me laugh neerly as much as your lack of Geographical knowledge. Pr1ck
vengeful cabbage: Thank you for proving my point - still using abusive language because of your total inability to conduct an argument. You really do make yourself look very small. By the way what has Rhodesia and Zimbabwe got to do with the argument? Pathetic.
Barnacle Bill wearing his specs that, see through pr hype and other Lowe tosh says...
3:39pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac wrote:So what comment do you have to make on my posting? You may claim to be sitting on the fence but your analysis is inaccurate. Spend a few minutes reading them all again and you will find that the Lowe supporters come out with meaningless poorly thought through claims. So tell me the errors with my posting. The fact that I share a love of SFC with people who are unable to analyse the flaws in over a decade of Lowes leadership is very worrying.
I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus\'s posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
Stan, Nursling says...
3:40pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac wrote:That is because most of the anti-Lowe lot cannot form an opinion of their own and prefer to join in with the rest of the mob. If they took their blinkers off and gave the guy a chance thay may appreciate exactly how much time and effort has been put into trying to re-stabilise the club.
I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus's posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
wiltshire saint, work says...
3:41pm Thu 24 Jul 08
? wrote:Good call! What alternative do Saints have at the moment Saint Stephen, are you going to buy the club?
saint stephen wrote:Who do you want instead?
Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
saint stephen, fareham says...
3:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08
The TRUTH is out there wrote:Last game, full house, NO Lowe enough said. Good manager (NP), Rupet even got rid of him fans favorite.
Blind Fool wrote:Not single-handily no, Wilde has also done a great deal of work digging us out the s**t that Crouch and Trant buried us in. We would have started the season in administration with points deducted, how many fans would have given up on the club then, plenty have dissappeared since we were relegated but prefer to blame Lowe for there fair-weatherness.Saint Compo wrote:Ha ha ha.. "without his (lowe) return you wouldn't have a team to support this time next year" Funniest thing ever posted on here, by a country mile. Yes, Rupert Lowe has single handedly saved Southampton Football Club. The evidence is just so overwhelming isn't it.Blind Fool wrote: I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.Your pen name says it all. Tosh! At last we again have a Chairman who understands the financial aspects of running a football club. Without his return you wouldn't have a team to support this time next year (assuming you really are a Saints supporter, Blind Fool). We should get behind the new management team - in the boardroom and on the field. The operating loss to be reported for the year just ended is totally unsustainable. This season is crucial for the club. Success on the pitch will bring in the crowds. But we mustn't overexpect for the coming season. I would be very happy with a top ten finish (and hopefully without flirting with relegation at any stage!). More important will be signs that the youngsters are coming through and can form the base for a promotion team in a couple of years time. Support your team and be patient. The youngsters must not be demoralised by whingeing fans. COYR
Who cares, if SFC goes bust? I don't. says...
3:46pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac, Southampton says...
3:46pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Georgieboy, london says...
3:47pm Thu 24 Jul 08
The TRUTH is out there, says...
3:50pm Thu 24 Jul 08
SFC76, Laughing at you says...
3:50pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Stephen, Fareham says...
3:53pm Thu 24 Jul 08
wiltshire saint wrote:People offered all rejected by Lowe, best check your facts. Wont be anything left soon including the fans, home games will be played to empty ground.
? wrote:Good call! What alternative do Saints have at the moment Saint Stephen, are you going to buy the club?saint stephen wrote:Who do you want instead?Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
?????, very confused says...
3:54pm Thu 24 Jul 08
SFC76 wrote:?????????
I think my negative action against Wilde , Lowe and Portaloo is starting to take effect. We have forced Lowe to come clean on how he has been fleecing the club by publicly admitting the club is in a financial. All we need is for you fair weather fans to take your head out of the sand and join the campaign to get rid of Lowe, wilde and portaloo. "Oh Happy Days" the clubs going into administration
Insider, says...
3:57pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Stephen wrote:Oh you get all your information from The Saints Forum, that explains it.
wiltshire saint wrote:People offered all rejected by Lowe, best check your facts. Wont be anything left soon including the fans, home games will be played to empty ground.? wrote:Good call! What alternative do Saints have at the moment Saint Stephen, are you going to buy the club?saint stephen wrote:Who do you want instead?Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
Egomaniac, Southampton says...
4:04pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Seeker of the truth, about SFC says...
4:10pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac wrote:So you are not staying to see your nonsence ripped to shreds then? Objectivity requires that you are free from bias or influence and that your comments can be substaniated by hard facts. Clearly none of these things apply to you so your contributions are not worth the time it took you to key them in. Cheerio and we don't want your sort at St Mary's. Isn't that the way you Lowe supporters normally end your contributions to this site?
Stan, Nursling - Wiltshire Saint Good posts - you both help to prove my point. No doubt we shall shortly receive more abuse and name calling for daring to be objective with our arguments. Time for tea I think.
a, says...
4:10pm Thu 24 Jul 08
SCREW LOWE - WILDE IS THE CAMELS BACKSIDE!, soton says...
4:11pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac, Southampton says...
4:12pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Barnacle Bill, still waiting for an answer says...
4:14pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Barnacle Bill wearing his specs that wrote:Please have the courtesy to reply as I was making a valid point regarding your comments. Or are you in the habit of writing inaccurate comments and the clearing off? If say your thoughts and comments count for nothing.
Egomaniac wrote: I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus\'s posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!So what comment do you have to make on my posting? You may claim to be sitting on the fence but your analysis is inaccurate. Spend a few minutes reading them all again and you will find that the Lowe supporters come out with meaningless poorly thought through claims. So tell me the errors with my posting. The fact that I share a love of SFC with people who are unable to analyse the flaws in over a decade of Lowes leadership is very worrying.
Sherborne Saint, Sherborne says...
4:15pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Whoever, says...
4:19pm Thu 24 Jul 08
SCREW LOWE - WILDE IS THE CAMELS BACKSIDE! wrote:No one person can ever shoulder the blame, they are all members of a board who make collective decisions. Sometimes even though you do not agree with a decision you have to go with the majority.
whether Lowe has killed our club or whether he is the right person to 'steady' the ship... all does not really matter... he is back and atleast he has at times done an ok job for us. My view however of Wilde is much more damning! WILDE sided with Crouch.. took over the club.. made promises which he NEVER kept.. spent money which we NEVER had.. told us he was 'steadying' the ship but NEVER did.. In fact as I understand Wilde is only slightly wealthy on paper, he is not particularly liquid an d further more has taken several businesses to the wall.. Would I see Saints go into administration to see Wilde lose his 'gamble' and Lowe lose all of his freebie shares that he got as part of his package over 10 years... YES!!! Why? because maybe then someone with actual wealth would view our club as an opportunity. Anyway.. whatever happens COYR!!
Barnacle Bill, still unhappy with Lowe says...
4:19pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac wrote:I do and thank you. My posts obviously were overtaken by your reply.
Barnacle Bill: Please accept my apologies if I offended you. I have to say your posts express a good argument in clear English. It was wrong of me to generalise - but Vengeful Cabbage really does take the biscuit! I hope you will accept this as a genuine apology to yourself,
saints4eva, My mums house says...
4:20pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac, Southampton says...
4:22pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Alanis Morisette, Ironic says...
4:23pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Barnacle Bill wrote:..and you criticise Lowe for being pompous!
Barnacle Bill wearing his specs that wrote:Please have the courtesy to reply as I was making a valid point regarding your comments. Or are you in the habit of writing inaccurate comments and the clearing off? If say your thoughts and comments count for nothing.Egomaniac wrote: I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus\'s posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!So what comment do you have to make on my posting? You may claim to be sitting on the fence but your analysis is inaccurate. Spend a few minutes reading them all again and you will find that the Lowe supporters come out with meaningless poorly thought through claims. So tell me the errors with my posting. The fact that I share a love of SFC with people who are unable to analyse the flaws in over a decade of Lowes leadership is very worrying.
Vengeful Cabbage, says...
4:25pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac wrote:Thank you, talk about proving my point. I will leave a question for you.
Vengeful Cabbage: There you go again - cannot reply to me without the use of offensive invectives. Every time you post you display a complete lack of literacy. Just for your information, I spent 8 years in what was Rhodesia, and was there when it became Zimbabwe. I then moved to Kenya for two years before being repatriated to the UK. Secondly, I am a professional musician, so have a considerable artistic background. What's your travel history? Brighton? As far as culture is concerned, I am pleasantly suprised that you can spell it. Have you noticed that I have replied to your post without once using offensive words, and without once calling you names. Perhaps you should try the same.
So true, funny how it seems... says...
4:28pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac wrote:I think the main reason is that most of us "Lowe-Luvvies" are articulate because we can actually read, then form are own opinion based how we perceive the facts, whereas the "Lowe-Out Brigade" are just a bunch of sheep who go with whoever shouts loudest.
I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus's posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
Iain, Lordshill says...
4:42pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Solent Saint, Netley says...
4:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Egomaniac wrote:Welcome to the intelligent branch of Saints supporters. We will survive and I guess in time the sheep will follow.
I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus's posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
Major Sir Jerry Pending, Ward 10 says...
4:49pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Jason, Salisbury says...
4:56pm Thu 24 Jul 08
SFC76 wrote:The fact anyone still believes Lowe is "fleecing the club" shows you've just not got a grip on reality.
I think my negative action against Wilde , Lowe and Portaloo is starting to take effect.
We have forced Lowe to come clean on how he has been fleecing the club by publicly admitting the club is in a financial.
All we need is for you fair weather fans to take your head out of the sand and join the campaign to get rid of Lowe, wilde and portaloo. "Oh Happy Days" the clubs going into administration
Les A Faire, In Despair says...
5:00pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Major Sir Jerry Pending wrote:yes the old subject of 'rupert lowe's academy'.
I see that good old Rupert is bragging on the official site (again) that he set up the academy. He seems to forget that before he came along the club already had a great history of developing young players under coaches such as Dave Merrington. (Williams, Baker, Mills, Wallaces, Shearer, Le Tiss etc). Didn't need no fancy academy to do that Rupe. Also I see he's criticising the style of football played last season - boring he calls it. Well, who was it that appointed George Burley as manager? All together now - "Rupert Lowe!!"
Egomaniac, Southampton says...
5:24pm Thu 24 Jul 08
andy b, southampton says...
5:38pm Thu 24 Jul 08
I hate lowe, he looks like he eats kittens says...
5:55pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Barnacle Bill, a real Saints fan says...
6:00pm Thu 24 Jul 08
SFC76, Boycotting St Mary's says...
6:03pm Thu 24 Jul 08
StMark, Northampton says...
6:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08
saint stephen wrote:It makes me laugh; you mention "our" club and yet you terminate your support by not going to the games! That is your choice and if you want to show your distaste for Lowe in this way then so be it, I would not argue with that, BUT how on earth do you think that not going to the games and not spending money is going to help?
Saints Fan wrote:We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints
If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
Their wont be any club or support left.
saint stephen, Fareham says...
6:52pm Thu 24 Jul 08
StMark wrote:No I wont, it will be a sad day, but when was it ever fun supporting OUR team.
saint stephen wrote:It makes me laugh; you mention "our" club and yet you terminate your support by not going to the games! That is your choice and if you want to show your distaste for Lowe in this way then so be it, I would not argue with that, BUT how on earth do you think that not going to the games and not spending money is going to help? It simply is not, so, unless you have an alternative argument that will suggest a viable solution to the problem you are just cutting your nose off to spite your face and you argument is weak at best! Still at least if Saints do go under (which I doubt very much) you will at least be able to say "I told you so" Then you will be happy.........won't you??Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
StMark, Northampton says...
6:58pm Thu 24 Jul 08
saint stephen wrote:Bye then, probably see you when we're good again!
StMark wrote:No I wont, it will be a sad day, but when was it ever fun supporting OUR team.
saint stephen wrote:It makes me laugh; you mention "our" club and yet you terminate your support by not going to the games! That is your choice and if you want to show your distaste for Lowe in this way then so be it, I would not argue with that, BUT how on earth do you think that not going to the games and not spending money is going to help? It simply is not, so, unless you have an alternative argument that will suggest a viable solution to the problem you are just cutting your nose off to spite your face and you argument is weak at best! Still at least if Saints do go under (which I doubt very much) you will at least be able to say "I told you so" Then you will be happy.........won't you??Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
Lowe out and take the dutch donkey with you.
Had a season ticket 30 years, but its now time to stop giving money to Mr Lowe.
100, says...
6:59pm Thu 24 Jul 08
CHIMIDRA, says...
7:05pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Stephen, Fareham says...
7:21pm Thu 24 Jul 08
David Crook, Yorkshire says...
7:35pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Simon Simple, Shirley says...
7:37pm Thu 24 Jul 08
thedelldays, Plymouth says...
8:05pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Tracey, Southampton says...
8:09pm Thu 24 Jul 08
SFC76 wrote:You haven't forced Lowe to do anything as what has been said today will be in the company results when they get published in the not to distant future.
I think my negative action against Wilde , Lowe and Portaloo is starting to take effect. We have forced Lowe to come clean on how he has been fleecing the club by publicly admitting the club is in a financial. All we need is for you fair weather fans to take your head out of the sand and join the campaign to get rid of Lowe, wilde and portaloo. "Oh Happy Days" the clubs going into administration
Tracey, Southampton says...
8:16pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saint Stephen wrote:Apart from SISU which Lowe, Wilde and Crouch rejected because SISU refused to answer concerns about long term funding, can you tell me which bids did Lowe actually reject and provide your proof to back your claim up?
wiltshire saint wrote:People offered all rejected by Lowe, best check your facts. Wont be anything left soon including the fans, home games will be played to empty ground.? wrote:Good call! What alternative do Saints have at the moment Saint Stephen, are you going to buy the club?saint stephen wrote:Who do you want instead?Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
Welsh Saint, Missing home says...
8:36pm Thu 24 Jul 08
thedelldays, plymouth says...
8:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Welsh Saint, Missing the good old days says...
9:13pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Condor Man, Southampton says...
9:33pm Thu 24 Jul 08
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
9:33pm Thu 24 Jul 08
saint stephen, Fareham says...
9:40pm Thu 24 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:56 actualy and my son is not getting his season ticket either, nor my grandson. Thats 3 of the 4000 thats not renewed.
If there is truth in the saying, 'Unity is Strength', then reading through these posts shows just how weak SFC is. At 2.49pm an 'aged juvenile', calling himself 'saint stephen' boasts that he has supported the club for 40 years, and for the first time in 30 years, is not renewing his season ticket. There is also a saying, 'when the going gets tough, the tough get going'! Well, the going is tough, and saint stephen is deserting, rather than 'rallying to the cause'. I referred to him as an aged juvenile because, if he has supporterd Saints for 40 years, I reckon that he must be at least 45 years old, but with his spelling, choice of language and nonsensical comments, makes me think his educational age is nearer five than forty.
St Mark, Northampton says...
9:44pm Thu 24 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:No one has spoken a truer word on here!
If there is truth in the saying, 'Unity is Strength', then reading through these posts shows just how weak SFC is.
At 2.49pm an 'aged juvenile', calling himself 'saint stephen' boasts that he has supported the club for 40 years, and for the first time in 30 years, is not renewing his season ticket.
There is also a saying, 'when the going gets tough, the tough get going'! Well, the going is tough, and saint stephen is deserting, rather than 'rallying to the cause'.
I referred to him as an aged juvenile because, if he has supporterd Saints for 40 years, I reckon that he must be at least 45 years old, but with his spelling, choice of language and nonsensical comments, makes me think his educational age is nearer five than forty.
HAPPY CHAPPY, SEVENTH HEAVEN says...
9:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08
spakey1983, Sholing says...
9:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08
St Mark, Northampton says...
9:46pm Thu 24 Jul 08
saint stephen wrote:Are you still here?
sailor sam wrote:56 actualy and my son is not getting his season ticket either, nor my grandson. Thats 3 of the 4000 thats not renewed.
If there is truth in the saying, 'Unity is Strength', then reading through these posts shows just how weak SFC is. At 2.49pm an 'aged juvenile', calling himself 'saint stephen' boasts that he has supported the club for 40 years, and for the first time in 30 years, is not renewing his season ticket. There is also a saying, 'when the going gets tough, the tough get going'! Well, the going is tough, and saint stephen is deserting, rather than 'rallying to the cause'. I referred to him as an aged juvenile because, if he has supporterd Saints for 40 years, I reckon that he must be at least 45 years old, but with his spelling, choice of language and nonsensical comments, makes me think his educational age is nearer five than forty.
TFLS Saint, The South Coast Riviera says...
10:18pm Thu 24 Jul 08
normal person, southampton says...
11:29pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Aaron Dear wrote:You are right. Man City averaged 28000 home gate when we were in the third division, League one or whatever its called now (still 3rd div!!!!) That was at a rubbish ground with 30000 capacity. As far as I can see people on the south coast are fickle generally and apart from the loyal diehards will support the team that they can see premiership footie at, in your case pompey. You really need to play catchup rapidly or lose everyhing to your rivals. You need the big money corporate punters etc or lose them forever once pompey get a new stadium.
Sceptic wrote: So what has Lowe & Wilde done to address the fact we now have 9,500 season ticket holders? A figure lower than we even had at the Dell! Surely to make more money and improve cashflow, the best way is to pack out the stadium by making ticket prices more attractive? But that sort of thinking is alien to Rupert, he\'d rather have crowds of 15,000 paying full price than 32,000 paying half price. I\'m fully expecting the emotional blackmail to be laid on thick and fast from our rich friends on the board telling fans that it\'s OUR FAULT the club is in a mess.ummm, isn\'t that what we did last year? Reduced season ticket prices to \"Pack out the stadium\" and we made a £5m loss. We have 15,000 fans who will watch week in and week out, but we will only get another 15,000 in when we are in the top 3 or in the Premiership, regarless of price. We are not Leeds or Man City.
Saintelsewhere, Planet Earth says...
4:06am Fri 25 Jul 08
Einstein wrote:You are an imposter. I am an Echo reader, and notoriously bright. And what on earth does where one lives have anything to do with one's brightness or intelligence? Please enlighten me if you can.
"Saints' share price fell from 30p to 27p this morning in the wake of the announcement, a decline of ten per cent." Presumably, they added the "a decline of ten per cent" to that line, in case we couldn't work out that old chestnut of an equation, 30 divided by 3. Then again, Echo readers aren't notoriously bright. Some of them live in Portsmouth, for a start.
threestands, Bournemouth says...
11:07am Fri 25 Jul 08
Barnacle Bill wrote:Idiot, who got us out of the Dell and into SMS?
All of you people who think Lowe is such an astute business man should note that when he came into the club we were relatively wealthy with major assets in terms of players and other resources, an international reputation, and healthy support. Where are we now? No assets left to strip, a bare playing staff, all our good players gone, 50% of fans no longer going to games, the club in debt and the share price a fraction of what it was and on top of all that we have become a laughing stock. That sounds like pretty astute business management to me. And it is going to get worse for only a naive fool would suggest that our team of older players (and not particularly good ones at that) and a clutch of boys still in the early stages of their development is going to keep us in this division. Not long ago I would get very angry with Lowe's leadership now I am heartbroken at what he has done to our great club. Before any one tells me that I am not wanted at St Mary's because I am being negative (for which read realistic) about what has happened you better check out whether Lowe agrees with you. I think he wants me to be there for he wants my money despite the fact that I loathe him. I love my club and the team and all my fellow fans. What I dont like is the way our club has been wrecked and that is down to Lowe. It is impossible for anyone to claim that they love the Saints and in the same breath say they support Lowe (unless of course you are paid to say it as part of your PR brief).
LOWE OUT, LOWE OUT says...
11:22am Fri 25 Jul 08
Not a SFC Fan!, Southampton says...
4:30pm Wed 30 Jul 08
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andy, says...
11:52am Thu 24 Jul 08