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Saints expect a loss of £5m

6:02pm Thursday 24th July 2008

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SAINTS have this morning announced the club is expected to make a pre-tax loss of about £5m for the financial year.

The board of parent company Southampton Leisure Holdings provided the Stock Exchange with a trading update, prior to releasing its financial results for the year ending June 30, 2008.

Saints' share price fell from 30p to 27p this morning in the wake of the announcement, a decline of ten per cent.

Finance director David Jones said: "The Company has seen a number of management changes during the financial year and with the preliminary announcement of the year's results to 30 June 2008 not due for 10 to 12 weeks, we thought it would be appropriate to provide all stakeholders with an indication of the financial results for the year just completed.


Click here for the full statement


"With the loss of the parachute payment from the Premier League and reduced ticket and commercial income, revenue for the year is expected to be around £14m with a loss before tax of around £5m."

The update said the results would "show an increase in the level of borrowings, which has necessitated extensive discussions with the company's bank and loan note hold."

However, it said both were remaining supportive of the current board's approach to the future.

PLC board chairman Rupert Lowe said: "The directors are aware that this is clearly not sustainable and are concentrating on reducing costs, however the directors remain hopeful about the prospects for the forthcoming season.

"Jan Poortvliet and Mark Wotte are very excited about what will be a young dynamic team determined to play fast and attractive football.


Watch the interview with Rupert Lowe - click here


"I hope everyone involved with the club will get behind Jan, Mark and the team."

Football club chairman Michael Wilde added: "This close season has proved to be a difficult time for the new board, with many major decisions needing to be taken both on the football and operating sides of the business.

"It has been important to act swiftly to arrest the financial decline of the company and we believe we have made major strides in this direction over the period since regaining control.

"Significantly, the board have also committed itself to the adoption of a new direction for the football club, which has been designed to stabilise, sustain and protect its long-term financial future whilst still allowing the club to remain competitive in football terms.

"We firmly believe that the future rests with our talented youngsters who, supported by experienced role models, will help create a team ultimately capable of competing at the highest levels.

"Management, coaching and playing staff are all fully supportive of the board's new approach and we are all looking forward to the new season with renewed enthusiasm and pride."

Southampton Leisure Holdings expects to release its audited accounts in October.


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andy, says...
11:52am Thu 24 Jul 08

Lowe's comment about the team we will be supporting this season puts me in mind of the saying - 'and the meek shall inherit the earth...provided the rest of us let them!'

Einstein, Southern Hampshire says...
11:58am Thu 24 Jul 08

"Saints' share price fell from 30p to 27p this morning in the wake of the announcement, a decline of ten per cent."

Presumably, they added the "a decline of ten per cent" to that line, in case we couldn't work out that old chestnut of an equation, 30 divided by 3.

Then again, Echo readers aren't notoriously bright. Some of them live in Portsmouth, for a start.



dangerousMike, under the bottom of the rug says...
12:02pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Where has all that lovely money gone? Still it just goes to show the gap between the haves of the Premiership and the Have nots of the rest of football.

Simon, says...
12:12pm Thu 24 Jul 08

But not as much as the loss expected from Chelsea FC....

Graham, Herts says...
12:20pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Simon wrote:
But not as much as the loss expected from Chelsea FC....
I have posted before that Chelsea and M.U.have a joint debt of £700m plus although it has been pointed out that they are "managed" debts.

Dare we say that £5m is manageable or is that just tempting fate?

Graham's personal wealth has just shrunk by another £15 with the shares dropping.

No more meat pies 'til after Christmas

Simon, London says...
12:37pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Graham wrote:
Simon wrote: But not as much as the loss expected from Chelsea FC....
I have posted before that Chelsea and M.U.have a joint debt of £700m plus although it has been pointed out that they are "managed" debts. Dare we say that £5m is manageable or is that just tempting fate? Graham's personal wealth has just shrunk by another £15 with the shares dropping. No more meat pies 'til after Christmas
£5m is the pre-tax loss for the year not the total debt for the club!!

Obvious, says...
12:44pm Thu 24 Jul 08

This loss is totally in keeping with losses at other Championship clubs (who are not receiving parachute payments).

So all Saints have done, is experience exactly the same conditions that many other clubs in this league do. So it isn't as big a drama as the club is making out.

The difference with some other clubs in our league, is their major shareholders assist the finances of the club by putting their own money in. Something our major shareholders refuse to do. Why is that???????????

Saint Paul, London says...
12:52pm Thu 24 Jul 08

wonder how the sharholders feel that bought at 60p when the Paul Allen thing was doing the rounds hoping to cash in......

Barnacle Bill, with my feet well and truly on the gronud says...
12:57pm Thu 24 Jul 08

All of you people who think Lowe is such an astute business man should note that when he came into the club we were relatively wealthy with major assets in terms of players and other resources, an international reputation, and healthy support. Where are we now? No assets left to strip, a bare playing staff, all our good players gone, 50% of fans no longer going to games, the club in debt and the share price a fraction of what it was and on top of all that we have become a laughing stock. That sounds like pretty astute business management to me. And it is going to get worse for only a naive fool would suggest that our team of older players (and not particularly good ones at that) and a clutch of boys still in the early stages of their development is going to keep us in this division. Not long ago I would get very angry with Lowe's leadership now I am heartbroken at what he has done to our great club. Before any one tells me that I am not wanted at St Mary's because I am being negative (for which read realistic) about what has happened you better check out whether Lowe agrees with you. I think he wants me to be there for he wants my money despite the fact that I loathe him. I love my club and the team and all my fellow fans. What I don’t like is the way our club has been wrecked and that is down to Lowe. It is impossible for anyone to claim that they love the Saints and in the same breath say they support Lowe (unless of course you are paid to say it as part of your PR brief).

Martin Betts, Suffolk says...
12:59pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Great timing, let's get shot of any talent left at the club before the season starts, we've had this every year for a few seasons now so i'm not at all surprised.

Our only hope is that Jan the man can unearth some more talent for next seasons summer sale.

Sceptic, says...
1:02pm Thu 24 Jul 08

So what has Lowe & Wilde done to address the fact we now have 9,500 season ticket holders? A figure lower than we even had at the Dell!

Surely to make more money and improve cashflow, the best way is to pack out the stadium by making ticket prices more attractive? But that sort of thinking is alien to Rupert, he'd rather have crowds of 15,000 paying full price than 32,000 paying half price.

I'm fully expecting the emotional blackmail to be laid on thick and fast from our rich friends on the board telling fans that it's OUR FAULT the club is in a mess.

Lost Soul, a former Saints fan never to return says...
1:10pm Thu 24 Jul 08

The rot started with Askham. He was clueless too. The next ten years are going to be awful as we struggle to survive never mind get promoted and if we were would you want lowe to be chairman given his track record last time?

Question, says...
1:12pm Thu 24 Jul 08

This announcement has seen the club's share price drop 10% to 27p. Why did they need to make an announcement now? There's no statutory requirement to do so.

There is definitely something fishy going on somewhere between Lowe and Wilde.

Are they driving down the share price to make it cheaper for them to buy more shares to strengthen their position? Either to profit from a takeover (some hope) or to make it almost impossible to ever get shot of them no matter how bad a job they do?

This doesn't add up. Once again, our club is being toyed with by people who do not have it's best interests at heart.

Graham, Herts says...
1:22pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Simon wrote:
Graham wrote:
Simon wrote: But not as much as the loss expected from Chelsea FC....
I have posted before that Chelsea and M.U.have a joint debt of £700m plus although it has been pointed out that they are "managed" debts. Dare we say that £5m is manageable or is that just tempting fate? Graham's personal wealth has just shrunk by another £15 with the shares dropping. No more meat pies 'til after Christmas
£5m is the pre-tax loss for the year not the total debt for the club!!
Having a bad day. Many thanks

Saint Stephen, fareham says...
1:27pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you , please leave now or thire wont be a club for anyone to support.

Football Fan, says...
1:31pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Barnacle Bill wrote:
All of you people who think Lowe is such an astute business man should note that when he came into the club we were relatively wealthy with major assets in terms of players and other resources, an international reputation, and healthy support. Where are we now? No assets left to strip, a bare playing staff, all our good players gone, 50% of fans no longer going to games, the club in debt and the share price a fraction of what it was and on top of all that we have become a laughing stock. That sounds like pretty astute business management to me. And it is going to get worse for only a naive fool would suggest that our team of older players (and not particularly good ones at that) and a clutch of boys still in the early stages of their development is going to keep us in this division. Not long ago I would get very angry with Lowe\'s leadership now I am heartbroken at what he has done to our great club. Before any one tells me that I am not wanted at St Mary\'s because I am being negative (for which read realistic) about what has happened you better check out whether Lowe agrees with you. I think he wants me to be there for he wants my money despite the fact that I loathe him. I love my club and the team and all my fellow fans. What I don’t like is the way our club has been wrecked and that is down to Lowe. It is impossible for anyone to claim that they love the Saints and in the same breath say they support Lowe (unless of course you are paid to say it as part of your PR brief).
The same applies to dozens of other clubs too, it is the problem with football in general at the moment, the rich clubs get richer, the rest struggle to survive.
Blame Murdoch and UEFA before you blame Lowe.

Aaron Dear, Southampton says...
1:32pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Sceptic wrote:
So what has Lowe & Wilde done to address the fact we now have 9,500 season ticket holders? A figure lower than we even had at the Dell! Surely to make more money and improve cashflow, the best way is to pack out the stadium by making ticket prices more attractive? But that sort of thinking is alien to Rupert, he'd rather have crowds of 15,000 paying full price than 32,000 paying half price. I'm fully expecting the emotional blackmail to be laid on thick and fast from our rich friends on the board telling fans that it's OUR FAULT the club is in a mess.
ummm, isn't that what we did last year? Reduced season ticket prices to "Pack out the stadium" and we made a £5m loss.
We have 15,000 fans who will watch week in and week out, but we will only get another 15,000 in when we are in the top 3 or in the Premiership, regarless of price. We are not Leeds or Man City.

Graham, Herts says...
1:33pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Sceptic wrote:
So what has Lowe & Wilde done to address the fact we now have 9,500 season ticket holders? A figure lower than we even had at the Dell! Surely to make more money and improve cashflow, the best way is to pack out the stadium by making ticket prices more attractive? But that sort of thinking is alien to Rupert, he'd rather have crowds of 15,000 paying full price than 32,000 paying half price. I'm fully expecting the emotional blackmail to be laid on thick and fast from our rich friends on the board telling fans that it's OUR FAULT the club is in a mess.
Simply don't believe that Woopert would opt for your scenario.

32,000 coming into the ground will sell more pies, more drinks, more programmes, more trinklets from the shop.

Will also look better in front of the occasional cameras and will provide a more vocal support as needed.

Where I do agree with you is that they should do something to improve sales.

Logic dictates that if they don't sell then the price is too high for what's on offer.

If Woopert says that people must pay £20 per match (or whatever) and the people say NO then everyone loses




dangerousMike, living in a bin now, bloody credit crunch says...
1:42pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I want a team full of English players and at the moment this is what we are getting. I want a team that plays open and attacking football and at the moment this is what we are getting. I want the big earners gone from the squad in order to keep the club afloat and at the moment this is what we are getting. I want Rupert Lowe gone, away from the club, away from the Plc, away from the city...
Fufill these requirements and price tickets so they are competitive with other attractions in the area (not other football teams) and fans will return. We have always struggled to fill the stadium as the south coast is blessed with things to do other than just watch football. I would suggest that £15 a game would be reasonable as it is in line with Hampshire's price for a 20/20 game.

Loyal, says...
2:28pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I am just relieved Lowe is at the helm now.At least he is capable of steadying our financial crisis.
And with the Dutch guys in charge we know there is a long term plan to turn things around on the pitch which will,of course, eventually help our financial position.

Pete wynn, Durley says...
2:31pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I'm sorry but i do find this funny..

Southampton are a SMALL club and they should be non league. So it's no wonder they are in debt.
I hope they go into administration - That would be really amusing.

Play up Pompey



Saint Stephen, fareham says...
2:37pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you , please leave now or thire wont be a club for anyone to support.

Solent Saint, Netley says...
2:39pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Saint Stephen wrote:
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you , please leave now or thire wont be a club for anyone to support.
Day two of the school holidays!

saint stephen, fareham says...
2:39pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Loyal wrote:
I am just relieved Lowe is at the helm now.At least he is capable of steadying our financial crisis. And with the Dutch guys in charge we know there is a long term plan to turn things around on the pitch which will,of course, eventually help our financial position.
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you , please leave now or thire wont be a club for anyone to support.

Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere says...
2:41pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Blind Fool wrote:
I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.
So to stop Lowe 'killing' SFC you would erm.... 'kill' SFC?

Interesting argument you have there.

Saints Fan, says...
2:42pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Blind Fool wrote:
I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.
That is the exact attitude taht got us in the mess.
No one man is bigger than the club, support the club and it will rise again.
People who are staying away are not hurting Lowe thay are hurting THEIR club.

Famished, Hungary says...
2:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Blind Fool wrote:
I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.
Did you say KFC?

the vengeful cabbage, patched into the sky says...
2:47pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Breaking news, I just lost a pound down the back of the sofa! This is more important than the fact that some idiot accountant let the club get itself into this mess. And still nobody has explained how the club managed to loose the £20million + in transfer fees. We are being taken for idiots by some beetroot faced arse biscuit.

Pete Lost, says...
2:48pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Pete wynn wrote:
I'm sorry but i do find this funny.. Southampton are a SMALL club and they should be non league. So it's no wonder they are in debt. I hope they go into administration - That would be really amusing. Play up Pompey
Pompey isn't exactly a "big" club is it?

In comparison to Southampton, by your reckoning, then shouldn't Pompey be a Saturday afternoon pub team?

saint stephen, Fareham says...
2:49pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Saints Fan wrote:
Blind Fool wrote: I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.
That is the exact attitude taht got us in the mess. No one man is bigger than the club, support the club and it will rise again. People who are staying away are not hurting Lowe thay are hurting THEIR club.
Ive supported the club over 40 years. This is the first time in 30 years that I will not renew my season ticket. Lowe leave ane leave now.

Accountant, says...
2:51pm Thu 24 Jul 08

the vengeful cabbage wrote:
Breaking news, I just lost a pound down the back of the sofa! This is more important than the fact that some idiot accountant let the club get itself into this mess. And still nobody has explained how the club managed to loose the £20million + in transfer fees. We are being taken for idiots by some beetroot faced arse biscuit.
Not sure about this.

With rising costs in terms of bank borrowings and inflation.. i can hazard a guess where the money went.

Did you think SFC had money to spare when they built the stadium?

Egomaniac, Southampton says...
2:54pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Saint Stephen:

As I posted yesterday, you have the debating ability of a frozen pea pea, the vocabulary of a 1 year old, and still you resort to name calling of someone you know absolutely nothing about.

Congratulations - in your case that's progress!

Saint Stephen, fareham says...
3:01pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you.

Sick of the Lowe luvvy spin, from PR guys for these people aint fans says...
3:01pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Football Fan wrote:
Barnacle Bill wrote: All of you people who think Lowe is such an astute business man should note that when he came into the club we were relatively wealthy with major assets in terms of players and other resources, an international reputation, and healthy support. Where are we now? No assets left to strip, a bare playing staff, all our good players gone, 50% of fans no longer going to games, the club in debt and the share price a fraction of what it was and on top of all that we have become a laughing stock. That sounds like pretty astute business management to me. And it is going to get worse for only a naive fool would suggest that our team of older players (and not particularly good ones at that) and a clutch of boys still in the early stages of their development is going to keep us in this division. Not long ago I would get very angry with Lowe\'s leadership now I am heartbroken at what he has done to our great club. Before any one tells me that I am not wanted at St Mary\'s because I am being negative (for which read realistic) about what has happened you better check out whether Lowe agrees with you. I think he wants me to be there for he wants my money despite the fact that I loathe him. I love my club and the team and all my fellow fans. What I don’t like is the way our club has been wrecked and that is down to Lowe. It is impossible for anyone to claim that they love the Saints and in the same breath say they support Lowe (unless of course you are paid to say it as part of your PR brief).
The same applies to dozens of other clubs too, it is the problem with football in general at the moment, the rich clubs get richer, the rest struggle to survive. Blame Murdoch and UEFA before you blame Lowe.
We were part of that Murdoch gravy train and doing well except a very poor series of management decisions by you know who got us pushed off of it. We are a club in many ways similar to Spurs and they have survived and so should we have done. You can put what ever spin and twist you like on it but we are where we are thanks to Rupert Lowe and no one else. His presence at SFC is dividing the clubs fan base and further adding to its problems. You people with your heads in the sand do not know how much he is hated. I go to every game and I cheer and shout fot the team but I do not buy anything other than my ticket. Rupert lowe has to go if the club is to be saved.

Lowe and Behold, St Marys hotseat says...
3:03pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Saint Stephen wrote:
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you.
Not "Mavis the donkey"

Saint stephen, fareham says...
3:04pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Sick of the Lowe luvvy spin wrote:
Football Fan wrote:
Barnacle Bill wrote: All of you people who think Lowe is such an astute business man should note that when he came into the club we were relatively wealthy with major assets in terms of players and other resources, an international reputation, and healthy support. Where are we now? No assets left to strip, a bare playing staff, all our good players gone, 50% of fans no longer going to games, the club in debt and the share price a fraction of what it was and on top of all that we have become a laughing stock. That sounds like pretty astute business management to me. And it is going to get worse for only a naive fool would suggest that our team of older players (and not particularly good ones at that) and a clutch of boys still in the early stages of their development is going to keep us in this division. Not long ago I would get very angry with Lowe\'s leadership now I am heartbroken at what he has done to our great club. Before any one tells me that I am not wanted at St Mary\'s because I am being negative (for which read realistic) about what has happened you better check out whether Lowe agrees with you. I think he wants me to be there for he wants my money despite the fact that I loathe him. I love my club and the team and all my fellow fans. What I don’t like is the way our club has been wrecked and that is down to Lowe. It is impossible for anyone to claim that they love the Saints and in the same breath say they support Lowe (unless of course you are paid to say it as part of your PR brief).
The same applies to dozens of other clubs too, it is the problem with football in general at the moment, the rich clubs get richer, the rest struggle to survive. Blame Murdoch and UEFA before you blame Lowe.
We were part of that Murdoch gravy train and doing well except a very poor series of management decisions by you know who got us pushed off of it. We are a club in many ways similar to Spurs and they have survived and so should we have done. You can put what ever spin and twist you like on it but we are where we are thanks to Rupert Lowe and no one else. His presence at SFC is dividing the clubs fan base and further adding to its problems. You people with your heads in the sand do not know how much he is hated. I go to every game and I cheer and shout fot the team but I do not buy anything other than my ticket. Rupert lowe has to go if the club is to be saved.
Beat POST TODAY WELL DONE.

Lowe In, says...
3:04pm Thu 24 Jul 08

LOWE OUT wrote:
Lowe In wrote:
Question wrote: This announcement has seen the club\'s share price drop 10% to 27p. Why did they need to make an announcement now? There\'s no statutory requirement to do so. There is definitely something fishy going on somewhere between Lowe and Wilde. Are they driving down the share price to make it cheaper for them to buy more shares to strengthen their position? Either to profit from a takeover (some hope) or to make it almost impossible to ever get shot of them no matter how bad a job they do? This doesn\'t add up. Once again, our club is being toyed with by people who do not have it\'s best interests at heart.
Biggest load of b******t ever written on here. The last board were losing money at a rate never seen before and would have bankrupted the club within weeks. Lowe and Wilde have returned and tried their absolute best to stabilise the club and keep it afloat, yet idiots like you STILL cannot see this.
well done mate you aint got a bloody clue ave ya RIP SAINTS
I have far more of a clue than you will ever have, as I can take a subjective view on the matter, rather than a blinkered "Lowe Out" attitude.
Lowe has made mistakes in the past, who hasn't, but I feel he has learnt from them.

the vengeful cabbage, i may be green but i'm also cabbage looking says...
3:08pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Accountant wrote:
the vengeful cabbage wrote: Breaking news, I just lost a pound down the back of the sofa! This is more important than the fact that some idiot accountant let the club get itself into this mess. And still nobody has explained how the club managed to loose the £20million + in transfer fees. We are being taken for idiots by some beetroot faced arse biscuit.
Not sure about this. With rising costs in terms of bank borrowings and inflation.. i can hazard a guess where the money went. Did you think SFC had money to spare when they built the stadium?
So why didn't some bright spark turn round and say "well actually i've analysed our predicted income aginst probable outoings for the four year period post relegation and the sh1t is about to hit the fan?". Instead beetroot faced kn0b head just went on ahead insituting a ploan of constant squad regeneration and trying to bring in big name signings that were asking too much for wages. The point is this, Who the hell does Rupert Lowe think he is? I'm sick and tired of his poncing around all lah-dee-dah like pretending anybody likes him. It scares me to think that the board allowed him to form Southampton leisure holdings because it means now we cant get rid of him and his spineless yes men.

Saints Fan, says...
3:09pm Thu 24 Jul 08

If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.

Would we?, says...
3:17pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Saints Fan wrote:
If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
No we wouldn't.

If only people would put as much effort into poking badgers with spoons we would be Kings of planet Venus.

saint stephen, Fareham says...
3:18pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Saints Fan wrote:
If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints
Their wont be any club or support left.

Egomaniac, Southampton says...
3:19pm Thu 24 Jul 08

vengeful cabbage:

Did you by any chance go to the same educational establishment as Saint Stephen?

It's just that there are several similarities in your ability to use abusive language and name calling. Says a great deal about you and your prejudicial attitude to people who may just be a bit more successful and affluent than you.

If you can't debate without recourse to abuse, then please don't bother - you show yourself up to be what you are - an ignorant bigot!

Blind Fool, says...
3:20pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Saint Compo wrote:
Blind Fool wrote: I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.
Your pen name says it all. Tosh! At last we again have a Chairman who understands the financial aspects of running a football club. Without his return you wouldn't have a team to support this time next year (assuming you really are a Saints supporter, Blind Fool). We should get behind the new management team - in the boardroom and on the field. The operating loss to be reported for the year just ended is totally unsustainable. This season is crucial for the club. Success on the pitch will bring in the crowds. But we mustn't overexpect for the coming season. I would be very happy with a top ten finish (and hopefully without flirting with relegation at any stage!). More important will be signs that the youngsters are coming through and can form the base for a promotion team in a couple of years time. Support your team and be patient. The youngsters must not be demoralised by whingeing fans. COYR
Ha ha ha..

"without his (lowe) return you wouldn't have a team to support this time next year"

Funniest thing ever posted on here, by a country mile.

Yes, Rupert Lowe has single handedly saved Southampton Football Club. The evidence is just so overwhelming isn't it.

?, says...
3:22pm Thu 24 Jul 08

saint stephen wrote:
Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
Who do you want instead?


the vengeful cabbage, at least i dont smell as bad as this guy says...
3:23pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Egomaniac wrote:
vengeful cabbage: Did you by any chance go to the same educational establishment as Saint Stephen? It's just that there are several similarities in your ability to use abusive language and name calling. Says a great deal about you and your prejudicial attitude to people who may just be a bit more successful and affluent than you. If you can't debate without recourse to abuse, then please don't bother - you show yourself up to be what you are - an ignorant bigot!
Oh sorry did my opinon differ from yours? Just back from Zimabwe or are we still calling it Rhoddesia?
It says a lot when somebody calls a person a Bigot for expressing an opinion. I dont like Rupert Lowe, get over it! tw@t!

Egomaniac, Southampton says...
3:26pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language.

I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus's posting on here who oppose him.

God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!

Egomaniac, Southampton says...
3:30pm Thu 24 Jul 08

vengeful cabbage:

Thank you for proving my point - still using abusive language because of your total inability to conduct an argument.

You really do make yourself look very small.

By the way what has Rhodesia and Zimbabwe got to do with the argument?

Pathetic.

the Vengeful Cabbage, Cabbage Cabbage Cabbage Cabbage mushroom says...
3:38pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Egomaniac wrote:
vengeful cabbage: Thank you for proving my point - still using abusive language because of your total inability to conduct an argument. You really do make yourself look very small. By the way what has Rhodesia and Zimbabwe got to do with the argument? Pathetic.
Thank you for showing yourself to be completely ignorant of any history, art, or social culture that has occured outside of St Marys in the last 50 years. It did make me laugh neerly as much as your lack of Geographical knowledge. Pr1ck

Barnacle Bill wearing his specs that, see through pr hype and other Lowe tosh says...
3:39pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Egomaniac wrote:
I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus\'s posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
So what comment do you have to make on my posting? You may claim to be sitting on the fence but your analysis is inaccurate. Spend a few minutes reading them all again and you will find that the Lowe supporters come out with meaningless poorly thought through claims. So tell me the errors with my posting. The fact that I share a love of SFC with people who are unable to analyse the flaws in over a decade of Lowe’s leadership is very worrying.

Stan, Nursling says...
3:40pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Egomaniac wrote:
I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus's posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
That is because most of the anti-Lowe lot cannot form an opinion of their own and prefer to join in with the rest of the mob. If they took their blinkers off and gave the guy a chance thay may appreciate exactly how much time and effort has been put into trying to re-stabilise the club.
Of course it is far easier to just be a sheep and go with the mob, but then you see 8 year old kids joining in, who have no idea who Lowe is let alone what he has, or hasn't done.
I prefer to sit back and make my own choice. I will be watching Saints for the 43 consecutive season this year, lets hope there are many more to come.
I went to Cardiff in 2003 and didnt see too many fans calling for anyones head then, a think the fact that we were relegated was the catalyst to many of out so-called fans jumping ship and Lowe was just an easy scapegoat to blame for their lack of attendance.
Up the Saints.

wiltshire saint, work says...
3:41pm Thu 24 Jul 08

? wrote:
saint stephen wrote:
Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
Who do you want instead?

Good call! What alternative do Saints have at the moment Saint Stephen, are you going to buy the club?

saint stephen, fareham says...
3:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08

The TRUTH is out there wrote:
Blind Fool wrote:
Saint Compo wrote:
Blind Fool wrote: I would rather have the club in administration than have that @rse running the club. Lowe is a cancer that is killing SFC.
Your pen name says it all. Tosh! At last we again have a Chairman who understands the financial aspects of running a football club. Without his return you wouldn't have a team to support this time next year (assuming you really are a Saints supporter, Blind Fool). We should get behind the new management team - in the boardroom and on the field. The operating loss to be reported for the year just ended is totally unsustainable. This season is crucial for the club. Success on the pitch will bring in the crowds. But we mustn't overexpect for the coming season. I would be very happy with a top ten finish (and hopefully without flirting with relegation at any stage!). More important will be signs that the youngsters are coming through and can form the base for a promotion team in a couple of years time. Support your team and be patient. The youngsters must not be demoralised by whingeing fans. COYR
Ha ha ha.. "without his (lowe) return you wouldn't have a team to support this time next year" Funniest thing ever posted on here, by a country mile. Yes, Rupert Lowe has single handedly saved Southampton Football Club. The evidence is just so overwhelming isn't it.
Not single-handily no, Wilde has also done a great deal of work digging us out the s**t that Crouch and Trant buried us in. We would have started the season in administration with points deducted, how many fans would have given up on the club then, plenty have dissappeared since we were relegated but prefer to blame Lowe for there fair-weatherness.
Last game, full house, NO Lowe enough said. Good manager (NP), Rupet even got rid of him fans favorite.

Who cares, if SFC goes bust? I don't. says...
3:46pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Southampton FC is not worth saving. It has become like a failing school. It needs to be shut down, rebranded and completely new staff appointed before it starts trading again. If you disagree then tell me why we should care if it is saved. I certainly don't want to save it to line Lowe's pockets and if it were to close life moves on their are other things to do.

Egomaniac, Southampton says...
3:46pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Stan, Nursling - Wiltshire Saint

Good posts - you both help to prove my point. No doubt we shall shortly receive more abuse and name calling for daring to be objective with our arguments.

Time for tea I think.

Georgieboy, london says...
3:47pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I hear that we are going to sell off our final asset to the scum down the road ie the training ground, That should make up the shortfall and humiliate us further

The TRUTH is out there, says...
3:50pm Thu 24 Jul 08

That will be the same manager (NP) who then demanded his salary was tripled even though he knew we were entering administration? The ground was full because even though the board had spent the entire money that we had in the kitty we were playing the last 90 minutes to stay in the Championship (or division 2 in old money)

SFC76, Laughing at you says...
3:50pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I think my negative action against Wilde , Lowe and Portaloo is starting to take effect.
We have forced Lowe to come clean on how he has been fleecing the club by publicly admitting the club is in a financial.
All we need is for you fair weather fans to take your head out of the sand and join the campaign to get rid of Lowe, wilde and portaloo. "Oh Happy Days" the clubs going into administration

Saint Stephen, Fareham says...
3:53pm Thu 24 Jul 08

wiltshire saint wrote:
? wrote:
saint stephen wrote:
Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
Who do you want instead?
Good call! What alternative do Saints have at the moment Saint Stephen, are you going to buy the club?
People offered all rejected by Lowe, best check your facts. Wont be anything left soon including the fans, home games will be played to empty ground.

?????, very confused says...
3:54pm Thu 24 Jul 08

SFC76 wrote:
I think my negative action against Wilde , Lowe and Portaloo is starting to take effect. We have forced Lowe to come clean on how he has been fleecing the club by publicly admitting the club is in a financial. All we need is for you fair weather fans to take your head out of the sand and join the campaign to get rid of Lowe, wilde and portaloo. "Oh Happy Days" the clubs going into administration
?????????

Insider, says...
3:57pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Saint Stephen wrote:
wiltshire saint wrote:
? wrote:
saint stephen wrote:
Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
Who do you want instead?
Good call! What alternative do Saints have at the moment Saint Stephen, are you going to buy the club?
People offered all rejected by Lowe, best check your facts. Wont be anything left soon including the fans, home games will be played to empty ground.
Oh you get all your information from The Saints Forum, that explains it.

The only serious offer on the table was the hedge-fund lot that got Coventry instead, and where did they finish last year?

Egomaniac, Southampton says...
4:04pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Vengeful Cabbage:

There you go again - cannot reply to me without the use of offensive invectives. Every time you post you display a complete lack of literacy.

Just for your information, I spent 8 years in what was Rhodesia, and was there when it became Zimbabwe. I then moved to Kenya for two years before being repatriated to the UK. Secondly, I am a professional musician, so have a considerable artistic background. What's your travel history? Brighton?

As far as culture is concerned, I am pleasantly suprised that you can spell it.

Have you noticed that I have replied to your post without once using offensive words, and without once calling you names. Perhaps you should try the same.

Seeker of the truth, about SFC says...
4:10pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Egomaniac wrote:
Stan, Nursling - Wiltshire Saint Good posts - you both help to prove my point. No doubt we shall shortly receive more abuse and name calling for daring to be objective with our arguments. Time for tea I think.
So you are not staying to see your nonsence ripped to shreds then? Objectivity requires that you are free from bias or influence and that your comments can be substaniated by hard facts. Clearly none of these things apply to you so your contributions are not worth the time it took you to key them in. Cheerio and we don't want your sort at St Mary's. Isn't that the way you Lowe supporters normally end your contributions to this site?

a, says...
4:10pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I have been a Saints fan from birth (or even before that) but I would not pay to see them play these days. And what with England also being shyte, I have almost completely lost interest in football. Sorry for being a cnut, but at least I still hate Pompey.

SCREW LOWE - WILDE IS THE CAMELS BACKSIDE!, soton says...
4:11pm Thu 24 Jul 08

whether Lowe has killed our club or whether he is the right person to 'steady' the ship... all does not really matter... he is back and atleast he has at times done an ok job for us.

My view however of Wilde is much more damning! WILDE sided with Crouch.. took over the club.. made promises which he NEVER kept.. spent money which we NEVER had.. told us he was 'steadying' the ship but NEVER did..

In fact as I understand Wilde is only slightly wealthy on paper, he is not particularly liquid an d further more has taken several businesses to the wall..

Would I see Saints go into administration to see Wilde lose his 'gamble' and Lowe lose all of his freebie shares that he got as part of his package over 10 years... YES!!! Why? because maybe then someone with actual wealth would view our club as an opportunity.

Anyway.. whatever happens COYR!!

Egomaniac, Southampton says...
4:12pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Barnacle Bill:

Please accept my apologies if I offended you. I have to say your posts express a good argument in clear English.

It was wrong of me to generalise - but Vengeful Cabbage really does take the biscuit!

I hope you will accept this as a genuine apology to yourself,

Barnacle Bill, still waiting for an answer says...
4:14pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Barnacle Bill wearing his specs that wrote:
Egomaniac wrote: I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus\'s posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
So what comment do you have to make on my posting? You may claim to be sitting on the fence but your analysis is inaccurate. Spend a few minutes reading them all again and you will find that the Lowe supporters come out with meaningless poorly thought through claims. So tell me the errors with my posting. The fact that I share a love of SFC with people who are unable to analyse the flaws in over a decade of Lowe’s leadership is very worrying.
Please have the courtesy to reply as I was making a valid point regarding your comments. Or are you in the habit of writing inaccurate comments and the clearing off? If say your thoughts and comments count for nothing.

Sherborne Saint, Sherborne says...
4:15pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I think that there is a need to accept out position, ie we are a Championship team. We have been a Premiership team for a long time, but unfortunatly have been slow in reacting to the change of divisions. A number of the decisions made at boardroom level appear to have been made using the same mind set as was used when we were in the Prem. The risks that have been taken have not come off, so we are now in a position where we are not financially secure.

In the long term I think it would be best to adopt the business model of building a team of committed young players. This has not been the case for a long time, as we have tried to rely on a number of 'big name' older players who in general have not delivered. We need to accept that each year we are going to have to sell some of our better players, but need to have a set up where others can step up to fill these gaps, but still perform. I believe that this is what the club are trying to achieve. On this basis, I am willing to give Lowe a chance to perform.

Having said this, if it becomes clear that there is someone willing to invest into the club who could ease our financial issues, I would want Lowe to have the sense to hand over the reins of control

Whoever, says...
4:19pm Thu 24 Jul 08

SCREW LOWE - WILDE IS THE CAMELS BACKSIDE! wrote:
whether Lowe has killed our club or whether he is the right person to 'steady' the ship... all does not really matter... he is back and atleast he has at times done an ok job for us. My view however of Wilde is much more damning! WILDE sided with Crouch.. took over the club.. made promises which he NEVER kept.. spent money which we NEVER had.. told us he was 'steadying' the ship but NEVER did.. In fact as I understand Wilde is only slightly wealthy on paper, he is not particularly liquid an d further more has taken several businesses to the wall.. Would I see Saints go into administration to see Wilde lose his 'gamble' and Lowe lose all of his freebie shares that he got as part of his package over 10 years... YES!!! Why? because maybe then someone with actual wealth would view our club as an opportunity. Anyway.. whatever happens COYR!!
No one person can ever shoulder the blame, they are all members of a board who make collective decisions. Sometimes even though you do not agree with a decision you have to go with the majority.
Try looking at today and tommorrow, rather than yesterday, you cant turn back time. But you can learn from it.

Barnacle Bill, still unhappy with Lowe says...
4:19pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Egomaniac wrote:
Barnacle Bill: Please accept my apologies if I offended you. I have to say your posts express a good argument in clear English. It was wrong of me to generalise - but Vengeful Cabbage really does take the biscuit! I hope you will accept this as a genuine apology to yourself,
I do and thank you. My posts obviously were overtaken by your reply.

saints4eva, My mums house says...
4:20pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I LOVE THE SAINTS with all my heart, and always will. One thing I dont like is Pompey.

Egomaniac, Southampton says...
4:22pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Barnacle Bill:

I think our posts crossed judging by the times on them!

Hope you accept my apology - sincerely meant - with reference to yourself.

Incidentally, although I do not agree with the anti-Lowe arguments, I do respect the views of everyone, especially their right to post those views. I just get very upset when people respond with foul language and name calling. It just isn't necessary if you have a good argument.

Alanis Morisette, Ironic says...
4:23pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Barnacle Bill wrote:
Barnacle Bill wearing his specs that wrote:
Egomaniac wrote: I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus\'s posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
So what comment do you have to make on my posting? You may claim to be sitting on the fence but your analysis is inaccurate. Spend a few minutes reading them all again and you will find that the Lowe supporters come out with meaningless poorly thought through claims. So tell me the errors with my posting. The fact that I share a love of SFC with people who are unable to analyse the flaws in over a decade of Lowe’s leadership is very worrying.
Please have the courtesy to reply as I was making a valid point regarding your comments. Or are you in the habit of writing inaccurate comments and the clearing off? If say your thoughts and comments count for nothing.
..and you criticise Lowe for being pompous!

Vengeful Cabbage, says...
4:25pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Egomaniac wrote:
Vengeful Cabbage: There you go again - cannot reply to me without the use of offensive invectives. Every time you post you display a complete lack of literacy. Just for your information, I spent 8 years in what was Rhodesia, and was there when it became Zimbabwe. I then moved to Kenya for two years before being repatriated to the UK. Secondly, I am a professional musician, so have a considerable artistic background. What's your travel history? Brighton? As far as culture is concerned, I am pleasantly suprised that you can spell it. Have you noticed that I have replied to your post without once using offensive words, and without once calling you names. Perhaps you should try the same.
Thank you, talk about proving my point. I will leave a question for you.
Do you feel you are bigoted?
I ask because my expierience of people from the former Rhodesia is that yes they are and your posts show the typical attitude that one would expect from a person with the background you claim to have. Still spookey how i got it in one.

Also can I say that the fact that the most productive thing that the so called pro-Lowe faction on this site can think of responding to any anti-Lowe sentiment with is a critique of a persons spelling is quite telling.

I appologise for the name calling, but it is so easy to bait a person if they think you an idiot but so very difficult if one shows an iota of thought.

My feelings are that through his presense at the club Lowe divides all those arround him. His self centred nature prevents the club from moving forward and his history of desicions is poor at best.

don't reply with yes but that was in the past, as it is my expierience that the past is the most accurate precursor of the future.

The cabbage has spoken.

So true, funny how it seems... says...
4:28pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Egomaniac wrote:
I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus's posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
I think the main reason is that most of us "Lowe-Luvvies" are articulate because we can actually read, then form are own opinion based how we perceive the facts, whereas the "Lowe-Out Brigade" are just a bunch of sheep who go with whoever shouts loudest.

Iain, Lordshill says...
4:42pm Thu 24 Jul 08

As I've said before, I can understand the Lowe Out faction. I may not agree with them, but there are people who've similarly hurt my team, and I wouldn't forgive them now even if they came back with a billion pounds. But what's Poortvliet done to annoy them?

Solent Saint, Netley says...
4:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Egomaniac wrote:
I am neither anti or pro Rupert Lowe, but I have to say that reading through all the posts above the pro-Lowes do seem able to discuss the situation in clear English and good grammar. The anti-Lowes only seem to be able to express themselves in poor English, poor spelling and the constant use of abusive insulting language. I am rapidly becoming pro-Lowe, as I would never want to be associated with some of the ignoramus's posting on here who oppose him. God forbid that any of their ilk should ever have an official say in the affairs of SFC!!
Welcome to the intelligent branch of Saints supporters. We will survive and I guess in time the sheep will follow.

Major Sir Jerry Pending, Ward 10 says...
4:49pm Thu 24 Jul 08

I see that good old Rupert is bragging on the official site (again) that he set up the academy. He seems to forget that before he came along the club already had a great history of developing young players under coaches such as Dave Merrington. (Williams, Baker, Mills, Wallaces, Shearer, Le Tiss etc). Didn't need no fancy academy to do that Rupe. Also I see he's criticising the style of football played last season - boring he calls it. Well, who was it that appointed George Burley as manager? All together now - "Rupert Lowe!!"

Jason, Salisbury says...
4:56pm Thu 24 Jul 08

SFC76 wrote:
I think my negative action against Wilde , Lowe and Portaloo is starting to take effect.
We have forced Lowe to come clean on how he has been fleecing the club by publicly admitting the club is in a financial.
All we need is for you fair weather fans to take your head out of the sand and join the campaign to get rid of Lowe, wilde and portaloo. "Oh Happy Days" the clubs going into administration
The fact anyone still believes Lowe is "fleecing the club" shows you've just not got a grip on reality.

Where did all the money go? Must have been into Lowe's pocket.

Err, no.

To use a simple example to explain why we're struggling financially if you buy a new home for £80 million take out the mortgage and then, three years later, have your wages slashed by 50% or more you're going to find yourself losing money.

It's as simple as that. Yep, you could validly blame Lowe for having the ambition to move us to a new stadium, but I don't see him as fleecing the club.

As for the rising tide of opinion, it's a sad fact that sometimes the loudest, least reasoned opinions get heard the most.

Also, it's a sad fact that many of the disruptive posts are from people who obviously support our friends down the road.

Shame NP wasn't kept on, would have been nice to hear all you guys calling for his head after two games of the new season.

Les A Faire, In Despair says...
5:00pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Major Sir Jerry Pending wrote:
I see that good old Rupert is bragging on the official site (again) that he set up the academy. He seems to forget that before he came along the club already had a great history of developing young players under coaches such as Dave Merrington. (Williams, Baker, Mills, Wallaces, Shearer, Le Tiss etc). Didn't need no fancy academy to do that Rupe. Also I see he's criticising the style of football played last season - boring he calls it. Well, who was it that appointed George Burley as manager? All together now - "Rupert Lowe!!"
yes the old subject of 'rupert lowe's academy'.
as you say , we arguably produced better quality young players - the ones you named - before we had the academy than we have since we've had it. what is also conveniently forgotten is that the academy was set up when we were in the premiership and every premiership club was compelled to set up an academy . so we would have to have had an academy regardless of who the chairman of SFC was at the time . but there's nothing like a bit of 're-processing ' history is there.

Egomaniac, Southampton says...
5:24pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Vengeful Cabbage:

Thank you for your last post (sorry for the delay - had to go out).

I am much happier replying to that one - you obviously can express yourself without rude name calling and invectives. Why didn't you do that in the first place?

I do respect your views as anti-Lowe, even if I do not agree with them. That's the way with democracy. I am neither pro or anti Lowe, I accept that he made some bad decisions in the past.

However, I genuinely feel he is making an effort to right the wrongs. I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now. However, if his experiment with the Dutch team fails, believe me, I will certainly be among the leaders of criticism.

I think all true saints fans should hold fire - whatever their views, and see what happens over the next few weeks. At the end of the day, I want success for SFC, and will do my bit in backing the management and the team for now. Woe betide if it all goes pear shaped!

andy b, southampton says...
5:38pm Thu 24 Jul 08

lowe blames the old board for spending all that money a couple of seasons ago but who was it that spent 3 millon on 2 strikers and 1 millon on a gk before he got kicked out so a bout half of what was spent that summer ao how can he blame them and not his self as well but hay that lowe for you full of the brown stuff and he says we have no money so what was that he spent on the frog then never belive a word he ever says so any one going to tell me iam wrong then lol

I hate lowe, he looks like he eats kittens says...
5:55pm Thu 24 Jul 08

argh why is rupert lowe still here? He is a bad, bad man. Why dont we just not bother turning up to a game. I reckon we should create our own football team called we may be cr@p but at least we ain't Portsmouth FC.

Barnacle Bill, a real Saints fan says...
6:00pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Criteria for being a Saints fan:

1. You must love the Saints.
2. You must go to matches whenever possible.
3. You must cheer on the team.
4. You can moan about the team sometimes.
5 You can be opimistic or pessimistic about the club if you want.
6. You have to know the players names and their strengths and weaknesses.


Things that are not needed to be a Saints fan:

1. You don't have to like Rupert Lowe or any of his cronies.
2. You don't have to be clever or articulate. ( Having read some of the Lowe supporter's comments I have noticed some articualte people are not very clever)
3. You don't have to have shares in the club or have lots of money.
4. You don't always have to agree with what is happening at the club.

SFC76, Boycotting St Mary's says...
6:03pm Thu 24 Jul 08

jason firstly let me put you straight I am a saints fan not a skate as you imply. secondly take your head out of your backside and wake up to reality. Lowe and co are screwing the club. I will not give him one penny of my dosh while he and wilde and portaloo are still at the club. My actions do not make me any less a saints fans than you tractor boy

StMark, Northampton says...
6:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08

saint stephen wrote:
Saints Fan wrote:
If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints
Their wont be any club or support left.
It makes me laugh; you mention "our" club and yet you terminate your support by not going to the games! That is your choice and if you want to show your distaste for Lowe in this way then so be it, I would not argue with that, BUT how on earth do you think that not going to the games and not spending money is going to help?

It simply is not, so, unless you have an alternative argument that will suggest a viable solution to the problem you are just cutting your nose off to spite your face and you argument is weak at best!

Still at least if Saints do go under (which I doubt very much) you will at least be able to say "I told you so"

Then you will be happy.........won't you??

saint stephen, Fareham says...
6:52pm Thu 24 Jul 08

StMark wrote:
saint stephen wrote:
Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
It makes me laugh; you mention "our" club and yet you terminate your support by not going to the games! That is your choice and if you want to show your distaste for Lowe in this way then so be it, I would not argue with that, BUT how on earth do you think that not going to the games and not spending money is going to help? It simply is not, so, unless you have an alternative argument that will suggest a viable solution to the problem you are just cutting your nose off to spite your face and you argument is weak at best! Still at least if Saints do go under (which I doubt very much) you will at least be able to say "I told you so" Then you will be happy.........won't you??
No I wont, it will be a sad day, but when was it ever fun supporting OUR team.

Lowe out and take the dutch donkey with you.

Had a season ticket 30 years, but its now time to stop giving money to Mr Lowe.

StMark, Northampton says...
6:58pm Thu 24 Jul 08

saint stephen wrote:
StMark wrote:
saint stephen wrote:
Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
It makes me laugh; you mention "our" club and yet you terminate your support by not going to the games! That is your choice and if you want to show your distaste for Lowe in this way then so be it, I would not argue with that, BUT how on earth do you think that not going to the games and not spending money is going to help? It simply is not, so, unless you have an alternative argument that will suggest a viable solution to the problem you are just cutting your nose off to spite your face and you argument is weak at best! Still at least if Saints do go under (which I doubt very much) you will at least be able to say "I told you so" Then you will be happy.........won't you??
No I wont, it will be a sad day, but when was it ever fun supporting OUR team.

Lowe out and take the dutch donkey with you.

Had a season ticket 30 years, but its now time to stop giving money to Mr Lowe.
Bye then, probably see you when we're good again!

...and maybe by then you will have got rid of the blind hatred (with the emphasis on "blind")

100, says...
6:59pm Thu 24 Jul 08

100

CHIMIDRA, says...
7:05pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Pompey will get relegated next season.

Saint Stephen, Fareham says...
7:21pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Lowe out and take wilde on your back with you.

David Crook, Yorkshire says...
7:35pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Whats wrong with you stupid fools,can't you see that Rupert Lowe and Mr.Wilde are being open and honest with us all by telling us the club are in a financial mess.
If you are a true saints supporter you must stand by them,and let them guide us through to greater things,at the end of the tunnel there will be light.
This message is sent to those who cannot see the light.
Come on you Saints

Simon Simple, Shirley says...
7:37pm Thu 24 Jul 08

£5million is not that much of an annual loss for a big club like ours. The stadium and all the team and academy playe must give us total assets of over £100 million. So Mr Lowe's company loses 5% of the total assets. Compare that with M&S or any big company. They're all lsoing money in this Credit Crunch. We'll be OK with Mr Lowe. Have faith. Mid-table next season. COYR

thedelldays, Plymouth says...
8:05pm Thu 24 Jul 08

SFC76...how is the webiste going..still talking to yourself??

also, can you explain with JUST FACTS and not abusive tones...tell us all how EXACTLY wilde and LOWE are screwing the club right now..

remember..you are not allowed to rant or be abusive..just use facts..

breath baited..

Tracey, Southampton says...
8:09pm Thu 24 Jul 08

SFC76 wrote:
I think my negative action against Wilde , Lowe and Portaloo is starting to take effect. We have forced Lowe to come clean on how he has been fleecing the club by publicly admitting the club is in a financial. All we need is for you fair weather fans to take your head out of the sand and join the campaign to get rid of Lowe, wilde and portaloo. "Oh Happy Days" the clubs going into administration
You haven't forced Lowe to do anything as what has been said today will be in the company results when they get published in the not to distant future.

Tracey, Southampton says...
8:16pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Saint Stephen wrote:
wiltshire saint wrote:
? wrote:
saint stephen wrote:
Saints Fan wrote: If only people could devote as much energy supporting Saints as they waste hating Lowe and Pompey we would be in the Champions League.
We do support saints its just Lowe and his Dutch donkey we dontwant at our club. Buck up or its R.I.P. Saints Their wont be any club or support left.
Who do you want instead?
Good call! What alternative do Saints have at the moment Saint Stephen, are you going to buy the club?
People offered all rejected by Lowe, best check your facts. Wont be anything left soon including the fans, home games will be played to empty ground.
Apart from SISU which Lowe, Wilde and Crouch rejected because SISU refused to answer concerns about long term funding, can you tell me which bids did Lowe actually reject and provide your proof to back your claim up?

Welsh Saint, Missing home says...
8:36pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Southampton FC. The Dell: FA Winners,Runners Up Div One, League Cup Finalists, Europe. Peter Shilton, Kevin Keegan, Martin Chivers, Terry Paine, Peter Osgood, Bruce Groblaar, Matt Le Tissier, Ron Davies, Charlie Cooke, Mickey Channon, Alan Ball, Nick Holmes, Alan Shearer, Mark Wright, Steve Williams etc etc.
Ted Bates, Lawrie McMenemy

Southampton PLC, St Marys: FA Cup beaten Finalists, Europe, Relegation, managers too numerous to mention. Players with skill who get the crowd on their feet, the stadium resounding with supporters chants.....give me a few days and I might think of a couple. Rupert Lowe

Now, how about a vote amongst us all as to which you would rather spend your hard earned watching?

thedelldays, plymouth says...
8:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08

welsh saint..why do you not mention relegation in the NON PLC saints????

Welsh Saint, Missing the good old days says...
9:13pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Relegation from Div One to Div2 then look what happened. Can you honestly,hand on heart see that happening under the present regime? We were staring into the jaws of Div One last season. Relegation at the Dell was the start of the most exciting times in our Clubs history. I am just grateful that I was there to see it. I feel so sorry for the supporters of the last ten years

Condor Man, Southampton says...
9:33pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Moving to SMS has been a poisoned challice. With the money now in the Premiership we could easily have survived year after year at The Dell- and it was a much better stadium in terms of atmosphere and the games I've seen over the past 20 years.

sailor sam, portsmouth says...
9:33pm Thu 24 Jul 08

If there is truth in the saying, 'Unity is Strength', then reading through these posts shows just how weak SFC is.
At 2.49pm an 'aged juvenile', calling himself 'saint stephen' boasts that he has supported the club for 40 years, and for the first time in 30 years, is not renewing his season ticket.
There is also a saying, 'when the going gets tough, the tough get going'! Well, the going is tough, and saint stephen is deserting, rather than 'rallying to the cause'.
I referred to him as an aged juvenile because, if he has supporterd Saints for 40 years, I reckon that he must be at least 45 years old, but with his spelling, choice of language and nonsensical comments, makes me think his educational age is nearer five than forty.

saint stephen, Fareham says...
9:40pm Thu 24 Jul 08

sailor sam wrote:
If there is truth in the saying, 'Unity is Strength', then reading through these posts shows just how weak SFC is. At 2.49pm an 'aged juvenile', calling himself 'saint stephen' boasts that he has supported the club for 40 years, and for the first time in 30 years, is not renewing his season ticket. There is also a saying, 'when the going gets tough, the tough get going'! Well, the going is tough, and saint stephen is deserting, rather than 'rallying to the cause'. I referred to him as an aged juvenile because, if he has supporterd Saints for 40 years, I reckon that he must be at least 45 years old, but with his spelling, choice of language and nonsensical comments, makes me think his educational age is nearer five than forty.
56 actualy and my son is not getting his season ticket either, nor my grandson. Thats 3 of the 4000 thats not renewed.

St Mark, Northampton says...
9:44pm Thu 24 Jul 08

sailor sam wrote:
If there is truth in the saying, 'Unity is Strength', then reading through these posts shows just how weak SFC is.
At 2.49pm an 'aged juvenile', calling himself 'saint stephen' boasts that he has supported the club for 40 years, and for the first time in 30 years, is not renewing his season ticket.
There is also a saying, 'when the going gets tough, the tough get going'! Well, the going is tough, and saint stephen is deserting, rather than 'rallying to the cause'.
I referred to him as an aged juvenile because, if he has supporterd Saints for 40 years, I reckon that he must be at least 45 years old, but with his spelling, choice of language and nonsensical comments, makes me think his educational age is nearer five than forty.
No one has spoken a truer word on here!

For a lot of people the truth will hurt but......

...it IS the truth!

HAPPY CHAPPY, SEVENTH HEAVEN says...
9:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08

RUPERT LOWE is the best thing ever to happen to SFC. You SCUMMERS certainly deserve him, I hope with a all my heart he takes you twats into OBLIVION !
LOVINIT LOVINIT LOVINIT

spakey1983, Sholing says...
9:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08

This is also another reason why we must go up cos if we dont the club will be in ruins.....

St Mark, Northampton says...
9:46pm Thu 24 Jul 08

saint stephen wrote:
sailor sam wrote:
If there is truth in the saying, 'Unity is Strength', then reading through these posts shows just how weak SFC is. At 2.49pm an 'aged juvenile', calling himself 'saint stephen' boasts that he has supported the club for 40 years, and for the first time in 30 years, is not renewing his season ticket. There is also a saying, 'when the going gets tough, the tough get going'! Well, the going is tough, and saint stephen is deserting, rather than 'rallying to the cause'. I referred to him as an aged juvenile because, if he has supporterd Saints for 40 years, I reckon that he must be at least 45 years old, but with his spelling, choice of language and nonsensical comments, makes me think his educational age is nearer five than forty.
56 actualy and my son is not getting his season ticket either, nor my grandson. Thats 3 of the 4000 thats not renewed.
Are you still here?

TFLS Saint, The South Coast Riviera says...
10:18pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Tomorrow I think I'll spend the day polishing the FA cup...

normal person, southampton says...
11:29pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Aaron Dear wrote:
Sceptic wrote: So what has Lowe & Wilde done to address the fact we now have 9,500 season ticket holders? A figure lower than we even had at the Dell! Surely to make more money and improve cashflow, the best way is to pack out the stadium by making ticket prices more attractive? But that sort of thinking is alien to Rupert, he\'d rather have crowds of 15,000 paying full price than 32,000 paying half price. I\'m fully expecting the emotional blackmail to be laid on thick and fast from our rich friends on the board telling fans that it\'s OUR FAULT the club is in a mess.
ummm, isn\'t that what we did last year? Reduced season ticket prices to \"Pack out the stadium\" and we made a £5m loss. We have 15,000 fans who will watch week in and week out, but we will only get another 15,000 in when we are in the top 3 or in the Premiership, regarless of price. We are not Leeds or Man City.
You are right. Man City averaged 28000 home gate when we were in the third division, League one or whatever its called now (still 3rd div!!!!) That was at a rubbish ground with 30000 capacity. As far as I can see people on the south coast are fickle generally and apart from the loyal diehards will support the team that they can see premiership footie at, in your case pompey. You really need to play catchup rapidly or lose everyhing to your rivals. You need the big money corporate punters etc or lose them forever once pompey get a new stadium.

Saintelsewhere, Planet Earth says...
4:06am Fri 25 Jul 08

Einstein wrote:
"Saints' share price fell from 30p to 27p this morning in the wake of the announcement, a decline of ten per cent." Presumably, they added the "a decline of ten per cent" to that line, in case we couldn't work out that old chestnut of an equation, 30 divided by 3. Then again, Echo readers aren't notoriously bright. Some of them live in Portsmouth, for a start.
You are an imposter. I am an Echo reader, and notoriously bright. And what on earth does where one lives have anything to do with one's brightness or intelligence? Please enlighten me if you can.

threestands, Bournemouth says...
11:07am Fri 25 Jul 08

Barnacle Bill wrote:
All of you people who think Lowe is such an astute business man should note that when he came into the club we were relatively wealthy with major assets in terms of players and other resources, an international reputation, and healthy support. Where are we now? No assets left to strip, a bare playing staff, all our good players gone, 50% of fans no longer going to games, the club in debt and the share price a fraction of what it was and on top of all that we have become a laughing stock. That sounds like pretty astute business management to me. And it is going to get worse for only a naive fool would suggest that our team of older players (and not particularly good ones at that) and a clutch of boys still in the early stages of their development is going to keep us in this division. Not long ago I would get very angry with Lowe's leadership now I am heartbroken at what he has done to our great club. Before any one tells me that I am not wanted at St Mary's because I am being negative (for which read realistic) about what has happened you better check out whether Lowe agrees with you. I think he wants me to be there for he wants my money despite the fact that I loathe him. I love my club and the team and all my fellow fans. What I don’t like is the way our club has been wrecked and that is down to Lowe. It is impossible for anyone to claim that they love the Saints and in the same breath say they support Lowe (unless of course you are paid to say it as part of your PR brief).
Idiot, who got us out of the Dell and into SMS?
You post the same old rubbish time after time. PR brief ????? I rest my case.

LOWE OUT, LOWE OUT says...
11:22am Fri 25 Jul 08

LOWE OUT
LOWE OUT
LOWE OUT
LOWE OUT
LOWE OUT

Not a SFC Fan!, Southampton says...
4:30pm Wed 30 Jul 08

Guys, I understand your frustruation and when you see the fact of statement coming out saying "we're relying on our younger upcoming players" it totally means we need to shed the load and lighten the debt of the club. You've relied on the parachute payments for the last few seasons and haven't received them. This is now going to affect you for the next 10 years because you've overspent.

I think the management team are making a bold and daring bid to turn your club around by relying on the youngesters. Unfortunately your going to sell your better ones to balance the books again but this is the price you must pay I'm afraid.

I hope that you turn it around. You have an excellent new coach and you should seriously check out his credentials (he's gained several back-to-back promotions) and with nearly all teams he's managed he's gained promotion within 2 seasons being at the club.

So if ever you needed a new coach for the younger players I think he's your best bet. It will take you a third of the season to get going as it's a new way of thinking - I just hope that it works out for you guys.

Best you can finish this year is mid-table. Wish you good luck!

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