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Bridge charge for motorbikes is axed
10:03am Tuesday 29th July 2008
Comments (59)
MOTORCYCLES and electric-powered cars are to be allowed to cross the Itchen Bridge in Southampton for free.
Tory council chiefs agreed to scrap the current 20p charge after lobbying from the Southampton Motorcycle Action Group, which said that the move would reduce queues.
The move, which attracted no objections from the public, will cost the council about £19,000 in lost revenue.
The council will also have to spend £40,000 to build motorcycle channels alongside existing cycle lanes because of safety concerns.
Safety managers feared that once motorcyclists realised that they didn't need to pay, they would be more likely to weave through traffic and speed through the toll booths.
The decision was slammed by Liberal Democrat group leader Jill Baston, who said: "I'm not at all happy with this proposal, £19,000 will have to be found from somewhere else, ie, the tax payer.
"A large proportion of motorcyclists come from outside the city.
Why should the city expect them to cross the bridge for free simply because it's awkward to take their gloves off to pay the toll?"
However, Tory transport chief Cllr Gavin Dick said: "It shows we respect motorcycles and will speed up traffic in the city."
On the decision to exempt electric cars, he added: "It's building in future demand to encourage people to use them."
Motorcyclists have been charged for using the Itchen Bridge since it opened in 1977. However, half of other toll bridges across the country already exempt motorcycles.
The revelation last year that the £12.2m bridge had filled the council coffers with £50m since it opened raised the heckles of many motorists. However, the council confirmed that there was never any promise to scrap the tolls which were put in place chiefly to mange traffic flows, and the loss of £3.4m annual toll income, used on maintenance and other council transport schemes, would fall on local tax payers.
The council is separately paying off the construction costs under loans that are expected to run until 2016.
About 95,000 motorcycles crossed the Itchen Bridge in the last year.
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Elaine Klose-Doff, says...
10:15am Tue 29 Jul 08
Why not let the decent motorists through for free as well ?
Manny Motaurus, says...
10:17am Tue 29 Jul 08
The revelation last year that the £12.2m bridge had filled the council coffers with £50m since it opened raised the heckles of many motorists
It was more my hackles that were raised actually, but perhaps I am being too picky.
jimbo, Soton says...
10:19am Tue 29 Jul 08
Keith Oftergrass, says...
10:19am Tue 29 Jul 08
However, Tory transport chief Cllr Gavin Dick said: "It shows we respect motorcycles and will speed up traffic in the city."
Yes, speed up motorcycle traffic to over 50mph more like.
Has Councillor Dick taken over the Glib Soundbite Department previously run so well by Councillor Vinson by chance ?
hulla, baloo says...
10:21am Tue 29 Jul 08
Er, maybe not.
If you are that concerned about costs to the taxpayer,
how about yourself, and all your cronies, reducing the amount of income(allowances) you take from us all.
Mr E, Eastleigh says...
10:26am Tue 29 Jul 08
I have never seen one
c, says...
10:56am Tue 29 Jul 08
Jerry Parsons, Emsworth by the sea says...
10:57am Tue 29 Jul 08
Think bike!
hulla, baloo says...
10:59am Tue 29 Jul 08
c wrote:To cover maintenance costs.
Why are we paying at all, the bridge must have paid for itself ten times over by now!!!
Also, as the council(s) have now included the revenue i their budgeting costsm to remove this income would mean a cut in services, or increase in other areas, to cover the shortfall.
So is easier for those that use it to pay.
Chris, Southampton says...
11:07am Tue 29 Jul 08
With less traffic problems the bridge will be a more attractive route, and therefore the 20p charge will easily be made up by the extra cars on the bridge.
Obviously it wont be instant, but people have to think more than just "look at this bluntly and don't think"
John H, Locks Heath says...
11:14am Tue 29 Jul 08
Mark, soton says...
11:21am Tue 29 Jul 08
The decision was slammed by Liberal Democrat group leader Jill Baston, who said: "I'm not at all happy with this proposal, £19,000 will have to be found from somewhere else, ie, the tax payer.
That has to be the most narrow minded, ill informed, bias comment from a local party leader I have ever read.
My god woman! Open your eyes will you, and consider the environmental benefits of motorcycles. I can only imagine that you were once dumped by a bike riding boyfriend - get over it.
the vengeful cabbage, says...
11:38am Tue 29 Jul 08
dangerousMike, says...
11:41am Tue 29 Jul 08
BikerJohn, Work says...
12:11pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Elaine Klose-Doff wrote:Calling all bikers! Have her mirrors off if you see her!!
Oh marvellous, now we will have more of the inconsiderate buggers clogging up the traffic and weaving through us. Why not let the decent motorists through for free as well ?
Glad we don't have to sit in long queues breathing in the crap from these noisy smelly things - and their cars as well!!
Quite agree about decent motorists but not woman motorists tho'
BikerJohn, work says...
12:22pm Tue 29 Jul 08
the vengeful cabbage wrote:But first have free a trial run starting with that Elaine Klose-Doff thing, just give a nudge when she's up there threatning to jump!
Why dont they just start charging people to jump off it? At the moment i feel that this potential revenue streem is being sadly over looked!
forgetfull, says...
1:14pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Karl, Chair says...
1:15pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Ok, I have to open my window, then look for 50/60p in my wallett, hand it over and get change back if I dont have the correct "change" handy. Does that mean I can cross for free as im holding up traffic too!?
What a stupid idea! Why are we still paying for the bridge?
Yes because we are paying off maintanance for the bridge blah blah blah.
I live right next to the bridge and find it unfair that I have to pay to go somewhere! Is it not enough that I pay Tax, Insurance, Maintanance to my car, MOT, Petrol?
Its a stupid bridge and one that looks hidious too anyway! what exactly am I paying £1.20 a day for anyway? and if they want clearance from traffic conjestion, why not allow it to be FREE for all? Or even free on weekend would be a bit of a nicer step to all!!
gwizdriver, Lyndhurst says...
1:29pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Mr E wrote:I have one, and know of a couple of others at least in the immediate area who also go into Southampton.
Just how many electric cars are there in southampton ? I have never seen one
More significantly, the City would be a better place with a few thousand more!
People can save £200 a year by 'going electric'.
All power to Southampton for this first step.
the vengeful cabbage, says...
1:34pm Tue 29 Jul 08
gwizdriver wrote:Um Mr Hippy,
Mr E wrote: Just how many electric cars are there in southampton ? I have never seen oneI have one, and know of a couple of others at least in the immediate area who also go into Southampton. More significantly, the City would be a better place with a few thousand more! People can save £200 a year by 'going electric'. All power to Southampton for this first step.
Where do you suppose the power for all these extra electric cars is going to come from?
Bike Nut, says...
1:41pm Tue 29 Jul 08
BikerJohn wrote:Well done John she has no clue about motorcycles just Like that Baston woman as well
Elaine Klose-Doff wrote: Oh marvellous, now we will have more of the inconsiderate buggers clogging up the traffic and weaving through us. Why not let the decent motorists through for free as well ?Calling all bikers! Have her mirrors off if you see her!! Glad we don't have to sit in long queues breathing in the crap from these noisy smelly things - and their cars as well!! Quite agree about decent motorists but not woman motorists tho'
gorf, soton says...
1:46pm Tue 29 Jul 08
i dont like bikes
Geoff Breeze, says...
1:51pm Tue 29 Jul 08
It is good to see a more open minded view of motorcycles these days and to see politicians who look at the advantages that bikes have and dont just dismiss all motorcyclists as reckless idiots.
I know not everybody will be happy about this but this is a good descion and it is a step forward for toward all tolls being axed
Geoff Breeze
Motorcycle Action Group
BridgeOverTroubledWa
ter, Cuckoo Land says...
1:54pm Tue 29 Jul 08
c wrote:Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, good one, paid for itself by now, ha ha ha ha.
Why are we paying at all, the bridge must have paid for itself ten times over by now!!!
Iain, Lordshill says...
1:54pm Tue 29 Jul 08
the vengeful cabbage wrote:Hush! You do realise that you've just shaped council policy for the next year, don't you?
Why dont they just start charging people to jump off it? At the moment i feel that this potential revenue streem is being sadly over looked!
Ghost rider, says...
1:56pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Mark wrote:Quite Right Mark If She is this narrow minded about other issues it shows why the LIB DEMS lost out in the local elections
The decision was slammed by Liberal Democrat group leader Jill Baston, who said: "I'm not at all happy with this proposal, £19,000 will have to be found from somewhere else, ie, the tax payer.That has to be the most narrow minded, ill informed, bias comment from a local party leader I have ever read. My god woman! Open your eyes will you, and consider the environmental benefits of motorcycles. I can only imagine that you were once dumped by a bike riding boyfriend - get over it.
bago'air, Hostel for down & outs says...
2:01pm Tue 29 Jul 08
the vengeful cabbage wrote:Good point but woudn't a toll booth half way accross block the pavement? And, if the jumper didn't do a good job would they want a refund?
Why dont they just start charging people to jump off it? At the moment i feel that this potential revenue streem is being sadly over looked!
matt, soton says...
2:03pm Tue 29 Jul 08
the charges should of stopped after the bridge was paid off, it must be about 10-20 times paid off by now!!
BridgeOverTroubledWa
ter, Cuckoo Land says...
2:14pm Tue 29 Jul 08
matt wrote:It will NEVER be paid off or toll free. Ask any councillor, 'cept you won't get a straight answer. You have a right to attend a council meeting so go ask 'em.
This is marvewllous so the bikes and electric cars go free and others will prob have to pay more to compencate the councils loss. So what if someone has a duel fuel car as in petrol/electric? will they have to pay half!!! the charges should of stopped after the bridge was paid off, it must be about 10-20 times paid off by now!!
Family Man, Bitterne says...
2:39pm Tue 29 Jul 08
BridgeOverTroubledWater wrote:If one had a secure revenue stream that involves a largely captive audience, then I for one, rightly or wrongly, would be loath to give it up. And given that the council seems to need every penny it can get for whatever reason, than I suspect they will exploit it, in the same way as they exploit motorists in every other way, for as long as they can! But that doesn't make it right!
matt wrote: This is marvewllous so the bikes and electric cars go free and others will prob have to pay more to compencate the councils loss. So what if someone has a duel fuel car as in petrol/electric? will they have to pay half!!! the charges should of stopped after the bridge was paid off, it must be about 10-20 times paid off by now!!It will NEVER be paid off or toll free. Ask any councillor, 'cept you won't get a straight answer. You have a right to attend a council meeting so go ask 'em.
Why should, for example, people from the north or west have free access to the city whilst those from the east are penalised..? And yes, it would be possible for many of them to overwhelm Bitterne Road or the other eastern routes...but that would be cutting off one's nose to spite one's face!
What would be nice, as a gesture, for Southampton City Council Council Tax payers to be able to purchase, on proof of their status, tokens at, say, 20p each, half the price of the blue tokens. And I stress, TAX PAYERS , and excluding those who make little or no contribution to the council's coffers through tax, so are for example, not resident in the city, or those who are resident but pay no council tax.
Lowe and Behold, St Marys hotseat says...
2:39pm Tue 29 Jul 08
the vengeful cabbage, says...
2:44pm Tue 29 Jul 08
bago'air wrote:Don't be silly this is the council we're talking about here. No toll booths as they require manning, rather they would set up an automated 'suicide assistance and creditline' which of course would be a premium rate number.
the vengeful cabbage wrote: Why dont they just start charging people to jump off it? At the moment i feel that this potential revenue streem is being sadly over looked!Good point but woudn't a toll booth half way accross block the pavement? And, if the jumper didn't do a good job would they want a refund?
Kari, Sholing says...
3:01pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Family Man wrote:I live in Southampton but my parents pay council tax as I live with them, as a driver who uses my car more than them, please do not exempt me. I tell you the tax man takes a hell of a lot of tax from my wages!!!
BridgeOverTroubledWater wrote:If one had a secure revenue stream that involves a largely captive audience, then I for one, rightly or wrongly, would be loath to give it up. And given that the council seems to need every penny it can get for whatever reason, than I suspect they will exploit it, in the same way as they exploit motorists in every other way, for as long as they can! But that doesn't make it right! Why should, for example, people from the north or west have free access to the city whilst those from the east are penalised..? And yes, it would be possible for many of them to overwhelm Bitterne Road or the other eastern routes...but that would be cutting off one's nose to spite one's face! What would be nice, as a gesture, for Southampton City Council Council Tax payers to be able to purchase, on proof of their status, tokens at, say, 20p each, half the price of the blue tokens. And I stress, TAX PAYERS , and excluding those who make little or no contribution to the council's coffers through tax, so are for example, not resident in the city, or those who are resident but pay no council tax.matt wrote: This is marvewllous so the bikes and electric cars go free and others will prob have to pay more to compencate the councils loss. So what if someone has a duel fuel car as in petrol/electric? will they have to pay half!!! the charges should of stopped after the bridge was paid off, it must be about 10-20 times paid off by now!!It will NEVER be paid off or toll free. Ask any councillor, 'cept you won't get a straight answer. You have a right to attend a council meeting so go ask 'em.
But at last! Coming from a family full of Motorbikes this is a blessing! We have the brains to put 20pence into our glove before hand but people not knowing the bridge is a toll, it does hold up traffic. Now why don't the council get onto making a permit for people that live within a certain mileage of the bridge so we don't have to pay a toll at all! Even with tokens it's a vast amount of money to pay if you use the bridge daily.
Family Man, Bitterne says...
3:27pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Kari wrote:I should perhaps have been clearer. As only one person is ever nominally the tax payer, any concession should be for those who live in a (Southampton City Council) tax paying household. Inevitably there would be abuse, so it would need to be controlled, say, by accompanying ID, or even some form of payment card or season ticket with photographic ID. There are lots of different fraud-proof simple systems available.
Family Man wrote:I live in Southampton but my parents pay council tax as I live with them, as a driver who uses my car more than them, please do not exempt me. I tell you the tax man takes a hell of a lot of tax from my wages!!! But at last! Coming from a family full of Motorbikes this is a blessing! We have the brains to put 20pence into our glove before hand but people not knowing the bridge is a toll, it does hold up traffic. Now why don\'t the council get onto making a permit for people that live within a certain mileage of the bridge so we don\'t have to pay a toll at all! Even with tokens it\'s a vast amount of money to pay if you use the bridge daily.BridgeOverTroubledWater wrote:If one had a secure revenue stream that involves a largely captive audience, then I for one, rightly or wrongly, would be loath to give it up. And given that the council seems to need every penny it can get for whatever reason, than I suspect they will exploit it, in the same way as they exploit motorists in every other way, for as long as they can! But that doesn\'t make it right! Why should, for example, people from the north or west have free access to the city whilst those from the east are penalised..? And yes, it would be possible for many of them to overwhelm Bitterne Road or the other eastern routes...but that would be cutting off one\'s nose to spite one\'s face! What would be nice, as a gesture, for Southampton City Council Council Tax payers to be able to purchase, on proof of their status, tokens at, say, 20p each, half the price of the blue tokens. And I stress, TAX PAYERS , and excluding those who make little or no contribution to the council\'s coffers through tax, so are for example, not resident in the city, or those who are resident but pay no council tax.matt wrote: This is marvewllous so the bikes and electric cars go free and others will prob have to pay more to compencate the councils loss. So what if someone has a duel fuel car as in petrol/electric? will they have to pay half!!! the charges should of stopped after the bridge was paid off, it must be about 10-20 times paid off by now!!It will NEVER be paid off or toll free. Ask any councillor, \'cept you won\'t get a straight answer. You have a right to attend a council meeting so go ask \'em.
Iain, Lordshill says...
3:30pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Now why don't the council get onto making a permit for people that live within a certain mileage of the bridge so we don't have to pay a toll at all! Even with tokens it's a vast amount of money to pay if you use the bridge daily
If you live that close, and are driving into town regularly, why not get a bus?
Paramjit Bahia, Southampton says...
3:47pm Tue 29 Jul 08
brim full of hasha, cornership says...
4:00pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Paramjit Bahia wrote:6%
More AXING by the tories. Listen to me i got 6% of the votes in my area, i suck.
Surprised that 6% of people from southampton know how to vote
James, Soton says...
5:15pm Tue 29 Jul 08
King Mush, Woolston says...
5:20pm Tue 29 Jul 08
c wrote:lol
Why are we paying at all, the bridge must have paid for itself ten times over by now!!!
What about the UKs road system then?
A fraction of the billions of pounds in road tax, petrol tax, speeding camera trap fines, parking fines has ever gone back into transport.
cupid stunt, southampton says...
6:05pm Tue 29 Jul 08
the tolls are on a slight incline from the city side which means the bike rolls backward when you stand up to get money from your pocket.
Wewullywinky, says...
6:22pm Tue 29 Jul 08
I haven't been asked my opinion as I'm sure neither have any off you who have posted on this subject.
This decision will only lead to a price increase for cars upwards. Another way to penalise the car user. If you use the bridge u pay for it regardless. Or locals use it for free.
Need to get a councillor and dangle him/her from it.
gwizdriver, lyndhurst says...
6:43pm Tue 29 Jul 08
the vengeful cabbage wrote:...from much cleaner sources than on-board internal combustion engines (ICEs). Much.
gwizdriver wrote:Um Mr Hippy, Where do you suppose the power for all these extra electric cars is going to come from?Mr E wrote: Just how many electric cars are there in southampton ? I have never seen oneI have one, and know of a couple of others at least in the immediate area who also go into Southampton. More significantly, the City would be a better place with a few thousand more! People can save £200 a year by \'going electric\'. All power to Southampton for this first step.
I guess it was the hippies who removed lead from fuel, who cleaned up cities with the clean air acts in the middle of the 20th century, when coal was the heating fuel of choice?
Pollution from vehicles kills - is that news to you? Bit like smoking.
Try looking beyond your own and societies petrol addiction, chum.
the vengeful cabbage, says...
7:09pm Tue 29 Jul 08
gwizdriver wrote:Much cleaner sources!!!!
the vengeful cabbage wrote:...from much cleaner sources than on-board internal combustion engines (ICEs). Much. I guess it was the hippies who removed lead from fuel, who cleaned up cities with the clean air acts in the middle of the 20th century, when coal was the heating fuel of choice? Pollution from vehicles kills - is that news to you? Bit like smoking. Try looking beyond your own and societies petrol addiction, chum.gwizdriver wrote:Um Mr Hippy, Where do you suppose the power for all these extra electric cars is going to come from?Mr E wrote: Just how many electric cars are there in southampton ? I have never seen oneI have one, and know of a couple of others at least in the immediate area who also go into Southampton. More significantly, the City would be a better place with a few thousand more! People can save £200 a year by \'going electric\'. All power to Southampton for this first step.
Mr Hippy,
What are these sources? At the moment and for the forseeable future large scale power generation is only economically viable from one of four sources:
Coal
Oil
Gas
Nuclear
Now in order to meet with the increased power requirement of several thousand electric cars you would need to generate extra power.
I don't know how much power a Gwizitslow draws but one ton of coal produces 6150 KWH of electricity so in order to power the increased viechle use shall we say approx 1 ton per day per gwiz thats 365 extra tons per car. We now predominantley use gas but i dont know the figure off the top of my head.
Nuclear energy is considered by many to be the future of power generation in this country but hippys dont like the sound of that! So where to you see this increased demand being met. I am not even including the energy imbedded in the manufacture of the car or the transportation of material to meet this demand.
Maybe the green solution is not really as green as you think it is?
Now I realise as you own a gwiz and that post being at 6:45 if you left work about 5 miles away from home you will have just arrive back, allowing for the two charges you needed on the way. I also realise that being environmentaly concious as you are your gerbil powered computer will be running slow but I just thought you might like to think about where this power will come from.
Evel Knevil, says...
7:33pm Tue 29 Jul 08
To all you moaners do what MAG did if you think all the tolls should go get up and do something about it
Working class till I die, Red Totton (the part where the BNP voters do not live) says...
7:44pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Family Man wrote:Family man, why not just make it even easier and make all 'non-residents of Southampton' wear a distinguishing feature on their clothes whilst they are working, shopping or insanely 'visiting' the city, oh forgot, the Nazi's already tried that one!
BridgeOverTroubledWater wrote:If one had a secure revenue stream that involves a largely captive audience, then I for one, rightly or wrongly, would be loath to give it up. And given that the council seems to need every penny it can get for whatever reason, than I suspect they will exploit it, in the same way as they exploit motorists in every other way, for as long as they can! But that doesn't make it right! Why should, for example, people from the north or west have free access to the city whilst those from the east are penalised..? And yes, it would be possible for many of them to overwhelm Bitterne Road or the other eastern routes...but that would be cutting off one's nose to spite one's face! What would be nice, as a gesture, for Southampton City Council Council Tax payers to be able to purchase, on proof of their status, tokens at, say, 20p each, half the price of the blue tokens. And I stress, TAX PAYERS , and excluding those who make little or no contribution to the council's coffers through tax, so are for example, not resident in the city, or those who are resident but pay no council tax.matt wrote: This is marvewllous so the bikes and electric cars go free and others will prob have to pay more to compencate the councils loss. So what if someone has a duel fuel car as in petrol/electric? will they have to pay half!!! the charges should of stopped after the bridge was paid off, it must be about 10-20 times paid off by now!!It will NEVER be paid off or toll free. Ask any councillor, 'cept you won't get a straight answer. You have a right to attend a council meeting so go ask 'em.
Are you sure your not a Liberal as well with these divisive views?
lord d, wilts says...
7:52pm Tue 29 Jul 08
T Oll-Bridge, Eling says...
7:57pm Tue 29 Jul 08
It's a car (just about) why the hostility and why do you assume that the driver/owner has to be a hippy?
Maybe the reason there are not a lot of them in the Southampton 'metro' area is that the city dwellers attack them and start rioting because they get confused by the lack of any engine noise?
If it's good enough for Doctor Frankenstein, surely electricity is good enough for car propulsion?
gwizdriver, lyndhurst says...
8:11pm Tue 29 Jul 08
1 ton of coal a day to run a gwiz :) !
They in fact use batteries, and run at 3kW, if that helps you.
Luckily the research has been done, by people who do know the figures. And the result including all the losses from transmission, storage etc., is still a fraction of the pollution impacts of ICE cars.
Here are some figures for you to get your head round, o vengeful one. 90% of journeys by car are 5 miles or less. Current (sub £10k when new) EV's go up to ten times that distance, (and you can charge up between trips) and there will soon be many more, with much more mileage. So they are fine for local stuff already.
How many companies and households with more than 1 vehicle do you think could get by with an EV for the short stuff?
Welcome to the second age of motoring.
the vengeful cabbage, going a bit moldy in my old age says...
8:20pm Tue 29 Jul 08
T Oll-Bridge wrote:Actually i just get anonoyed when people presume that any of the alternative energy sources proposed at the moment are the answer. Most cause more harm than existing sources anyway, even the best ones for example the honda FXV cause environmental damage in the production of its fuel cells.
Wow! The thoughts of a solitary GWiz owner seem to cause the hackles to rise amongst I presume the brethren of Southampton? It's a car (just about) why the hostility and why do you assume that the driver/owner has to be a hippy? Maybe the reason there are not a lot of them in the Southampton 'metro' area is that the city dwellers attack them and start rioting because they get confused by the lack of any engine noise? If it's good enough for Doctor Frankenstein, surely electricity is good enough for car propulsion?
Oh and i dont even own a metro i own a corsa so in your face innit mush! These geezas ave been slowin me down large innit and me possy is gittin antsy. If you can supli me and my brothas wit the adres of this gwiz onin muppit we can smash it. d'ya get me blud
Nannyogg., Southampton says...
8:43pm Tue 29 Jul 08
T Oll-Bridge, Eling says...
8:44pm Tue 29 Jul 08
the vengeful cabbage wrote:Cabbage, my dear vengeful vegetable
T Oll-Bridge wrote: Wow! The thoughts of a solitary GWiz owner seem to cause the hackles to rise amongst I presume the brethren of Southampton? It's a car (just about) why the hostility and why do you assume that the driver/owner has to be a hippy? Maybe the reason there are not a lot of them in the Southampton 'metro' area is that the city dwellers attack them and start rioting because they get confused by the lack of any engine noise? If it's good enough for Doctor Frankenstein, surely electricity is good enough for car propulsion?Actually i just get anonoyed when people presume that any of the alternative energy sources proposed at the moment are the answer. Most cause more harm than existing sources anyway, even the best ones for example the honda FXV cause environmental damage in the production of its fuel cells. Oh and i dont even own a metro i own a corsa so in your face innit mush! These geezas ave been slowin me down large innit and me possy is gittin antsy. If you can supli me and my brothas wit the adres of this gwiz onin muppit we can smash it. d'ya get me blud
We are united in the fact that we both own a Corsa! Although puny with a 1 litre engine, it does the job and is simplicity itself. I drove from Hadrians Wall back to Southampton in 6 hours. so it's okay going down hill (from the grim north).
Three cylinder engine that never seems to go wrong, low tax and good mpg and when your stuck in the dire traffic of Southampton on an almost daily basis, a fairly comfortable position in which to inch along.
Then again you cannot beat a Ford Cortina Crusader quality or what! If your loaded, a Ford Granada 2.3, ave it! 'Were the Sweeney and we aint had our dinner!'
Leave the Gwiz man, we may need to call upon his knowledge in the future, or we could just get a horse, baggsie a chariot like Queen Boudicea/Boudicca
gwizdriver, lyndhurst says...
8:46pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Electric motors have been around for a while! Last time I looked what drove that source was good ol'electricity, in car batteries. That approach has been around in an undeveloped form for over a century. Go to Beaulieu and see London taxi's that ran on the same power source in the 1890's.
It is only recently the need for change has kicked in.
Don't be fooled by the hype. Future cars will have electric engines - the problem is 'only' electric generation and storage. It would be dumb to just wait for the perfect solution to pop out before we start to adopt the technology, and the infrastructure.
Viable 'fuel cells' have been 10/15 tears away, for the last 10/15 years.
But next year you'll be able to buy family four-seater EVs that are more like the cars you know, which will do 100+ miles on one charge and go 60mph.
johnny, southampton says...
9:00pm Tue 29 Jul 08
the vengeful cabage, says...
9:07pm Tue 29 Jul 08
gwizdriver wrote:As long as it will do 150mph and i can stick a massive spoiler on it who cares? ;)
Electric engines - an alternative energy source to drive a vehicle, Cabbagy? Not for much longer. Electric motors have been around for a while! Last time I looked what drove that source was good ol'electricity, in car batteries. That approach has been around in an undeveloped form for over a century. Go to Beaulieu and see London taxi's that ran on the same power source in the 1890's. It is only recently the need for change has kicked in. Don't be fooled by the hype. Future cars will have electric engines - the problem is 'only' electric generation and storage. It would be dumb to just wait for the perfect solution to pop out before we start to adopt the technology, and the infrastructure. Viable 'fuel cells' have been 10/15 tears away, for the last 10/15 years. But next year you'll be able to buy family four-seater EVs that are more like the cars you know, which will do 100+ miles on one charge and go 60mph.
But i honestly dont care what happens in the future it wont be completely green (if you want that then walk). So long as i can drive it i don't give a rats.
I just think the current batch of electric cars are poor at best. I average about 100 miles a day for work some days and would realy not fancy trying those kinds of miles in a Gwiz. (i do wish clients would be satisfied with an e-mail more often). Plus i hope they go back to making the dash of wood instead of plasric then bring on the future.
L, La La Land says...
9:21pm Tue 29 Jul 08
The **** bridge has been paid for over and over
ANGRY!!!!!!
single speed, hythe says...
11:46pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Seb, sotton says...
2:31pm Wed 30 Jul 08
Karl wrote:With regards to the supposed akwardness of paying a toll in a car... Wow you have to wind down a window and get the wallet out. I think you are forgetting the fact that the biker has to remove a piece of protective clothing, find wallet/change, pay, replace protective clothing. Oh and this is while balancing the vehilce upright with no handbrake... think about it. It takes much longer to pay on a bike than sat down inside a car.
because it's awkward to take their gloves off to pay 20p on the toll?".... Ok, I have to open my window, then look for 50/60p in my wallett, hand it over and get change back if I dont have the correct "change" handy. Does that mean I can cross for free as im holding up traffic too!? What a stupid idea! Why are we still paying for the bridge? Yes because we are paying off maintanance for the bridge blah blah blah. I live right next to the bridge and find it unfair that I have to pay to go somewhere! Is it not enough that I pay Tax, Insurance, Maintanance to my car, MOT, Petrol? Its a stupid bridge and one that looks hidious too anyway! what exactly am I paying £1.20 a day for anyway? and if they want clearance from traffic conjestion, why not allow it to be FREE for all? Or even free on weekend would be a bit of a nicer step to all!!
Ian, Woolston says...
4:42pm Sat 23 Aug 08
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George, Idiot Street says...
10:09am Tue 29 Jul 08