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One driver a day caught by cameras
7:31am Wednesday 13th August 2008
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Only about one person a day has been caught speeding by cameras on a Hampshire motorway.
Figures show that since February 175 drivers have been caught by the average speed cameras in roadworks between junctions three and four and 11 and 12 of the M27.
Meanwhile it has been revealed that the speed cameras between the Fareham and Portsmouth junctions at junctions 11 and 12 have ben removed.
The cameras, which are yellow in colour, have been catching speeders while widening work has been going on .
The cameras measure a vehicle's average speed over a set distance.
Costing £18 million, a mile-and-a-quarter stretch of the M27 had been widened to create a new lane for lorries going uphill.
Similar widening work is taking place between junctions three and four at Southampton and is expected to finish early next year.
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Fred, here says...
3:59pm Tue 12 Aug 08
Pete, Southampton says...
5:25pm Tue 12 Aug 08
Dave, M27 says...
5:51pm Tue 12 Aug 08
YogiBear, Eastleigh says...
6:23pm Tue 12 Aug 08
Big Boy, Hythe says...
7:09pm Tue 12 Aug 08
p, says...
8:34pm Tue 12 Aug 08
Big Boy wrote:Some police cars have them mounted, apparently, for exactly that purpose
OCR recognition cameras; a shame that they aren't used for outstanding warrants. The regular speedsters with no tax, insurance, etc with be changing their plates regularly.
Simon, Southampton says...
8:10am Wed 13 Aug 08
Derry, west hampshire says...
8:36am Wed 13 Aug 08
Mike, Southampton says...
8:47am Wed 13 Aug 08
Fred wrote:Ha, you try that then. The cameras have had there firmware upgraded so this is no longer the case.
I wonder how many speeding motorists they caught, especially as these cameras are easily defeated by simply changing lanes.....
Osama Bin Laden, A Cave far far away says...
9:10am Wed 13 Aug 08
Engineer, says...
9:12am Wed 13 Aug 08
Mike wrote:It's "their" and I wonder why firmware needed upgrading? Surely the application software does all the clever lane interpretation?
Fred wrote: I wonder how many speeding motorists they caught, especially as these cameras are easily defeated by simply changing lanes.....Ha, you try that then. The cameras have had there firmware upgraded so this is no longer the case.
Sentient, says...
9:24am Wed 13 Aug 08
It's very difficult not to spot the average speed check signs, so I can only put it down to a lack of understanding of the definition of "average".
It brightens my otherwise dull day to watch numpties tear along at 90mph then slam the anchors on when they get to each set of cameras.
I blame the teachers for not teaching maths properly.
Damon, says...
9:28am Wed 13 Aug 08
Read your own news stories which state its finishing before Xmas
Bambi, says...
9:36am Wed 13 Aug 08
Simon wrote:Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.
Wewullywinky, says...
9:41am Wed 13 Aug 08
Fred wrote:Where did you get that information from
I wonder how many speeding motorists they caught, especially as these cameras are easily defeated by simply changing lanes.....
I surprised they say Only one person a day was caught by the speed camera, i bet he now has a very big fine.
Whilst i've been using the motorway i'd stick to 50 MPH in lane 1 or 2 and people on lane 3 were easily overtaking est easy 55 - 60 mph. So what is the tolerence of these cameras.
hulla, baloo says...
9:58am Wed 13 Aug 08
Wewullywinky wrote:Do a google search on "average speed cameras how to avoid detection" then click on "this is london"
Fred wrote: I wonder how many speeding motorists they caught, especially as these cameras are easily defeated by simply changing lanes.....Where did you get that information from I surprised they say Only one person a day was caught by the speed camera, i bet he now has a very big fine. Whilst i\'ve been using the motorway i\'d stick to 50 MPH in lane 1 or 2 and people on lane 3 were easily overtaking est easy 55 - 60 mph. So what is the tolerence of these cameras.
Sparky, Hedge End says...
10:01am Wed 13 Aug 08
Bambi, says...
10:01am Wed 13 Aug 08
Wewullywinky wrote:Tolerance will be at least 10%, like the GATSOs. Your speedo might have said you were doing 50mph, but you probably weren't. Unless you've just driven a brand-new car straight off the assembly line, and have the tires inflated to exactly the right pressure, your speedo will be at least slightly inaccurate
Fred wrote:Where did you get that information from
I wonder how many speeding motorists they caught, especially as these cameras are easily defeated by simply changing lanes.....
I surprised they say Only one person a day was caught by the speed camera, i bet he now has a very big fine.
Whilst i\'ve been using the motorway i\'d stick to 50 MPH in lane 1 or 2 and people on lane 3 were easily overtaking est easy 55 - 60 mph. So what is the tolerence of these cameras.
Google, says...
10:04am Wed 13 Aug 08
hulla wrote:Then follow the link to "Urban Legend".
Wewullywinky wrote:Do a google search on "average speed cameras how to avoid detection" then click on "this is london"Fred wrote: I wonder how many speeding motorists they caught, especially as these cameras are easily defeated by simply changing lanes.....Where did you get that information from I surprised they say Only one person a day was caught by the speed camera, i bet he now has a very big fine. Whilst i\'ve been using the motorway i\'d stick to 50 MPH in lane 1 or 2 and people on lane 3 were easily overtaking est easy 55 - 60 mph. So what is the tolerence of these cameras.
Simon, says...
10:05am Wed 13 Aug 08
Bambi wrote:Out of date?
Simon wrote: As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
What exactly do you mean? Are humans really any better at controlling their vehicles than say 40 years ago? Are roads less crowded than say 40 years ago?
Do you have a brain?
Sentient, says...
10:07am Wed 13 Aug 08
Sparky wrote:I'm intrigued...what did you think "average speed checks" were? Speed checks that weren't very good, just average?
Don't believe this story for one minute. I got caught on one through road work on M1 May last year doing 55 not knowning what "average speed checks" were. Cars shoot past me daily on the M27 at Rownhams. . . . . . . . either they're not working properly or the true figure is more like one a minute . . . . .I'd believe that as a true figure more! Typical "road safety" spin. If they had reported more accurate figures I'm sure the comments here would be worded slightly more stronger, thus creating a lack of trust in the police / camera partnerships etc and public up roar
toxteth o'grady, says...
10:10am Wed 13 Aug 08
175 in the 1st day then someone forgot to put the plug in for the remaining time more like.
I see about 5 BMW, Audi, pickup truck drivers doing more than 50 mph in the outside lane in the roadworkd everyday
Bambi, says...
10:11am Wed 13 Aug 08
Simon wrote:Yawn. Grow up, Simon, people are allowed to have their say without you leaping down their throats. Guess you're afraid of something, can't think what
Bambi wrote:Out of date?
Simon wrote: As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
What exactly do you mean? Are humans really any better at controlling their vehicles than say 40 years ago? Are roads less crowded than say 40 years ago?
Do you have a brain?
Fred, Here says...
10:14am Wed 13 Aug 08
Big Boy wrote:Its called ANPR (Automatic Number plate Recognition) and has been is use for about 10 years.
OCR recognition cameras; a shame that they aren't used for outstanding warrants. The regular speedsters with no tax, insurance, etc with be changing their plates regularly.
They often have cameras here on the M4 that are used simply for the purpose you described. Very successful they are too.
Sentient, says...
10:16am Wed 13 Aug 08
Simon wrote:No need to be rude. We're all entitled to an opinion without needless name-calling. Grow up.
Bambi wrote:Out of date? What exactly do you mean? Are humans really any better at controlling their vehicles than say 40 years ago? Are roads less crowded than say 40 years ago? Do you have a brain?Simon wrote: As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
I think Bambi has a point. Yes there are more cars on the road, but I think (I don't have the stats to hand, so don't ask) road safety has improved. RTAs as a percentage of the (larger) car-driving population, comared to, say, 40 years ago is lower. Cars are built to perform at higher speeds - both in terms of speed performance and safety.
I'm not advocating raising the speed limits through built-up areas, passed schools etc, but some M-way stretches could potentially have a higher limit to reflect current driving practices. I'm not suggesting that we copy the German autobahns, but it seems to work in Germany, why not here?
Another Engineer, Hythe says...
11:00am Wed 13 Aug 08
Engineer wrote:I imagine the application software is loaded into flash memory, thus upgrading the firmware.
Mike wrote:It's "their" and I wonder why firmware needed upgrading? Surely the application software does all the clever lane interpretation?
Fred wrote: I wonder how many speeding motorists they caught, especially as these cameras are easily defeated by simply changing lanes.....Ha, you try that then. The cameras have had there firmware upgraded so this is no longer the case.
A third engineer, says...
11:08am Wed 13 Aug 08
Another Engineer wrote:Being on flash memory doesn't make it firmware. Software on flash may be firmware, but it isn't automatically so. In this case, "Engineer" is right.
Engineer wrote:I imagine the application software is loaded into flash memory, thus upgrading the firmware.
Mike wrote:It's "their" and I wonder why firmware needed upgrading? Surely the application software does all the clever lane interpretation?
Fred wrote: I wonder how many speeding motorists they caught, especially as these cameras are easily defeated by simply changing lanes.....Ha, you try that then. The cameras have had there firmware upgraded so this is no longer the case.
Gonzo, says...
12:02pm Wed 13 Aug 08
YogiBear wrote:Yeah and as soon as they are gone and people can go whatever speed there are bottlenecks. Leave em in, as they seem to regulate the flow, I say!
Wether they worked, or could be avoided or not is irrelevant. I've traveled that route almost daily for the duration of the works, and never once saw anyone going more than about 55, so job done :-)
Paramjit Bahia, Southampton says...
12:11pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Sentient wrote:Sentient, According to a German friend sitting with me higher speeds Germany are causing no more accidents than our much lower limits on motorways.
Simon wrote:No need to be rude. We\'re all entitled to an opinion without needless name-calling. Grow up. I think Bambi has a point. Yes there are more cars on the road, but I think (I don\'t have the stats to hand, so don\'t ask) road safety has improved. RTAs as a percentage of the (larger) car-driving population, comared to, say, 40 years ago is lower. Cars are built to perform at higher speeds - both in terms of speed performance and safety. I\'m not advocating raising the speed limits through built-up areas, passed schools etc, but some M-way stretches could potentially have a higher limit to reflect current driving practices. I\'m not suggesting that we copy the German autobahns, but it seems to work in Germany, why not here?Bambi wrote:Out of date? What exactly do you mean? Are humans really any better at controlling their vehicles than say 40 years ago? Are roads less crowded than say 40 years ago? Do you have a brain?Simon wrote: As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
Answer to the problem is responsible drivers with ability to know their ability. Now try to tell that to some road racers and wait for their answer. Most of them think they are better than Sterling Moss.
More visible presence of Police patrols may be the answer. Because that tends to make driver behave better and officers are good at judging the difference between boy racers and average driver who may marginally fluctuate over the limit.
Perhaps making those who speed through road works work on that stretch of road for a day may make them realise the dangers faced by those whose lives were endangered.
Sentient, says...
12:19pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Paramjit Bahia wrote:Steady on there, I'm in danger of agreeing with you. What has the world come to?!!
Sentient wrote:Sentient, According to a German friend sitting with me higher speeds Germany are causing no more accidents than our much lower limits on motorways. Answer to the problem is responsible drivers with ability to know their ability. Now try to tell that to some road racers and wait for their answer. Most of them think they are better than Sterling Moss. More visible presence of Police patrols may be the answer. Because that tends to make driver behave better and officers are good at judging the difference between boy racers and average driver who may marginally fluctuate over the limit. Perhaps making those who speed through road works work on that stretch of road for a day may make them realise the dangers faced by those whose lives were endangered.Simon wrote:No need to be rude. We\'re all entitled to an opinion without needless name-calling. Grow up. I think Bambi has a point. Yes there are more cars on the road, but I think (I don\'t have the stats to hand, so don\'t ask) road safety has improved. RTAs as a percentage of the (larger) car-driving population, comared to, say, 40 years ago is lower. Cars are built to perform at higher speeds - both in terms of speed performance and safety. I\'m not advocating raising the speed limits through built-up areas, passed schools etc, but some M-way stretches could potentially have a higher limit to reflect current driving practices. I\'m not suggesting that we copy the German autobahns, but it seems to work in Germany, why not here?Bambi wrote:Out of date? What exactly do you mean? Are humans really any better at controlling their vehicles than say 40 years ago? Are roads less crowded than say 40 years ago? Do you have a brain?Simon wrote: As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
Paramjit Bahia, Southampton says...
12:30pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Sentient wrote:Its probably caused by global warming!
Paramjit Bahia wrote:Steady on there, I'm in danger of agreeing with you. What has the world come to?!!Sentient wrote:Sentient, According to a German friend sitting with me higher speeds Germany are causing no more accidents than our much lower limits on motorways. Answer to the problem is responsible drivers with ability to know their ability. Now try to tell that to some road racers and wait for their answer. Most of them think they are better than Sterling Moss. More visible presence of Police patrols may be the answer. Because that tends to make driver behave better and officers are good at judging the difference between boy racers and average driver who may marginally fluctuate over the limit. Perhaps making those who speed through road works work on that stretch of road for a day may make them realise the dangers faced by those whose lives were endangered.Simon wrote:No need to be rude. We\'re all entitled to an opinion without needless name-calling. Grow up. I think Bambi has a point. Yes there are more cars on the road, but I think (I don\'t have the stats to hand, so don\'t ask) road safety has improved. RTAs as a percentage of the (larger) car-driving population, comared to, say, 40 years ago is lower. Cars are built to perform at higher speeds - both in terms of speed performance and safety. I\'m not advocating raising the speed limits through built-up areas, passed schools etc, but some M-way stretches could potentially have a higher limit to reflect current driving practices. I\'m not suggesting that we copy the German autobahns, but it seems to work in Germany, why not here?Bambi wrote:Out of date? What exactly do you mean? Are humans really any better at controlling their vehicles than say 40 years ago? Are roads less crowded than say 40 years ago? Do you have a brain?Simon wrote: As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
I.C. ****, says...
12:53pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Bright Spark, Stubbington says...
1:21pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Christoff, says...
1:22pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Simon wrote:it's all about vehicle technology. Cars are better equiped to drive at speed and better equiped to slow down. They are also much safer so there is definately an argument for saying the spped limits are a little out of date
Bambi wrote:Out of date? What exactly do you mean? Are humans really any better at controlling their vehicles than say 40 years ago? Are roads less crowded than say 40 years ago? Do you have a brain?Simon wrote: As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
Christoff, says...
1:25pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Paramjit Bahia wrote:no politics?
Sentient wrote:Sentient, According to a German friend sitting with me higher speeds Germany are causing no more accidents than our much lower limits on motorways. Answer to the problem is responsible drivers with ability to know their ability. Now try to tell that to some road racers and wait for their answer. Most of them think they are better than Sterling Moss. More visible presence of Police patrols may be the answer. Because that tends to make driver behave better and officers are good at judging the difference between boy racers and average driver who may marginally fluctuate over the limit. Perhaps making those who speed through road works work on that stretch of road for a day may make them realise the dangers faced by those whose lives were endangered.Simon wrote:No need to be rude. We\'re all entitled to an opinion without needless name-calling. Grow up. I think Bambi has a point. Yes there are more cars on the road, but I think (I don\'t have the stats to hand, so don\'t ask) road safety has improved. RTAs as a percentage of the (larger) car-driving population, comared to, say, 40 years ago is lower. Cars are built to perform at higher speeds - both in terms of speed performance and safety. I\'m not advocating raising the speed limits through built-up areas, passed schools etc, but some M-way stretches could potentially have a higher limit to reflect current driving practices. I\'m not suggesting that we copy the German autobahns, but it seems to work in Germany, why not here?Bambi wrote:Out of date? What exactly do you mean? Are humans really any better at controlling their vehicles than say 40 years ago? Are roads less crowded than say 40 years ago? Do you have a brain?Simon wrote: As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
Bambi, says...
1:31pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Christoff wrote:Exactly my point, cheers! Look at recommended braking distances, for example. They were introduced when cars still had cross-ply tires and drum brakes all round. Most modern cars can stop within half the prescribed distance these days with no problems. Trouble with this country is, the only solution anyone ever comes up with for any problem is, to restrict something blindly. Speed limits past schools being 20mph? Great idea. Lower, ideally. But not at midnight! Motorways: is the same speed limit appropriate at rush hour in the wet, as it is at 3am with perfectly dry roads?
Simon wrote:it's all about vehicle technology. Cars are better equiped to drive at speed and better equiped to slow down. They are also much safer so there is definately an argument for saying the spped limits are a little out of date
Bambi wrote:Out of date? What exactly do you mean? Are humans really any better at controlling their vehicles than say 40 years ago? Are roads less crowded than say 40 years ago? Do you have a brain?Simon wrote: As YogiBear says they are very effective at keeping speeds down so reducing accidents so an excellent choice, its just a pity it takes it to ensure that motorists stick to speed limits on motorway works! If you dont speed you dont get a ticket, its a very simple concept.Point is, Simon, the speed limits are out of date.
Bill Gates, On my yacht says...
2:53pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Bambi, says...
2:54pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Bill Gates wrote:Cutting and pasting is easy. It's the extra effort of manually putting the "quote" markup in I can't be bothered with
Can you technophobes learn to cut and paste ?
Simon, says...
4:17pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Bambi wrote:Don't have to.
Bill Gates wrote: Can you technophobes learn to cut and paste ?Cutting and pasting is easy. It's the extra effort of manually putting the "quote" markup in I can't be bothered with
Click on the button.
Bambi, says...
4:31pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Simon wrote:Still too much effort compared to simply pressing "Quote" hyperlinks
Bambi wrote:Don't have to.
Bill Gates wrote: Can you technophobes learn to cut and paste ?Cutting and pasting is easy. It's the extra effort of manually putting the "quote" markup in I can't be bothered with
Click on the button.
mike, Havant says...
7:46am Thu 14 Aug 08
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Simon, says...
3:39pm Tue 12 Aug 08
I was expecting "a huge freak tidal wave hits M27" or "A friendly giant has decided to do some cleaning with a dust pan and brush" or something similar effect.
hahaha @ "Speed cameras have been swept away from the M27."