Ed wrote:
I live near this road, and i saw the area of the crash whilst driving back off my dog walk. It didnt look too bad but my friend saw the air ambulance landing. It disappoints me to see teenagers so yound driving motorbikes. It was probably a child from Brookfield community school.

gorf wrote:
another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads. ban them

biker wrote:
in the recent weeks there have to many deaths on bikes but if you see its the car drivers who cause the accidents please pay more attention the mirrors are there for a reason!

gorf wrote:
another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads.

ban them

George wrote:

gorf wrote: another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads. ban them

Are you a real person, or is this just some automated script that posts the same mindless crap every time it detects a headline with "motorbike" in it?

gorf wrote:
another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads. ban them

JBR wrote:
Like I said, attitude towards the road and other people on it is key to riding safely, this also goes for car drivers though, most teenage drivers are over confident and even more so when they have a big metal box wrapped round them. maybe an attitude test should be made part of the driving test too? I understand that they all drive nice when having lessons under supervision but what about afterwards? nothing, unless they get caught. is this the answer? I came accross an insurance company trying this a couple of years ago with young drivers. they insure a young driver at a sensible premium, however a gps tracking device is fitted to the car and if it breaks the speed limit at any point a letter with a £50 fee is attached, 3 strikes your policy is cancelled. howabout all drivers below the age of 21 have one of these fitted as a mandatory part of passing their test?

gorf wrote:

George wrote:

gorf wrote: another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads. ban them

Are you a real person, or is this just some automated script that posts the same mindless crap every time it detects a headline with "motorbike" in it?

well there you go george.... im glad someone has noticed my posts as it just goes to show how often these motorbike accidents are happening for you to realise how often i write that same comment.

i only write it when there are accidents (every day)

Becki wrote:
I have to say I am not at all surprised. As awful as this accident is and I hope the rider makes a good recovery, this accident was waiting to happen. Just two days ago when I was driving down Lockswood Rd (which is a 40mph) I was approaching the entrance to the Locks Heath Centre. As I got closer, 2 lads on mopeds attempted to pull out about 10 ft from my fast moving car. They braked, thank god, but the worse was still to come. They kept attempting to overtake me, and when I had to stop to give way to a police car, I thought they would buck their ideas up. That was naive. As I checked my mirrors and started to pull out again, these morons pull out straight around me, getting within less than a foot of my car. They then proceeded to look round and make rude gestures at me. How pathetic but unfortunately representative of the mentality of some of the teenage riders in the community. My boyfriend has also had experience of a group of 3 mopeds driving in a row (illegal, surely), tailing the back of his car, and attempting to overtake, on the same road! As of yet, I cannot say it was the bikers fault as there is no information on the cause of the accident. But considering the close call I had and I'm a perfectly safe driver, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a demonstration of their supposed 'invincibility'.

Tut tut wrote:

Becki wrote:
I have to say I am not at all surprised. As awful as this accident is and I hope the rider makes a good recovery, this accident was waiting to happen. Just two days ago when I was driving down Lockswood Rd (which is a 40mph) I was approaching the entrance to the Locks Heath Centre. As I got closer, 2 lads on mopeds attempted to pull out about 10 ft from my fast moving car. They braked, thank god, but the worse was still to come. They kept attempting to overtake me, and when I had to stop to give way to a police car, I thought they would buck their ideas up. That was naive. As I checked my mirrors and started to pull out again, these morons pull out straight around me, getting within less than a foot of my car. They then proceeded to look round and make rude gestures at me. How pathetic but unfortunately representative of the mentality of some of the teenage riders in the community. My boyfriend has also had experience of a group of 3 mopeds driving in a row (illegal, surely), tailing the back of his car, and attempting to overtake, on the same road! As of yet, I cannot say it was the bikers fault as there is no information on the cause of the accident. But considering the close call I had and I'm a perfectly safe driver, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a demonstration of their supposed 'invincibility'.

A good post, and there seem to be more of the bikers you describe especially around towns and villages than there are sensible bikers....Still, I'm sure a biker will turn it into being your fault somehow.

George wrote:

Tut tut wrote:

Becki wrote: I have to say I am not at all surprised. As awful as this accident is and I hope the rider makes a good recovery, this accident was waiting to happen. Just two days ago when I was driving down Lockswood Rd (which is a 40mph) I was approaching the entrance to the Locks Heath Centre. As I got closer, 2 lads on mopeds attempted to pull out about 10 ft from my fast moving car. They braked, thank god, but the worse was still to come. They kept attempting to overtake me, and when I had to stop to give way to a police car, I thought they would buck their ideas up. That was naive. As I checked my mirrors and started to pull out again, these morons pull out straight around me, getting within less than a foot of my car. They then proceeded to look round and make rude gestures at me. How pathetic but unfortunately representative of the mentality of some of the teenage riders in the community. My boyfriend has also had experience of a group of 3 mopeds driving in a row (illegal, surely), tailing the back of his car, and attempting to overtake, on the same road! As of yet, I cannot say it was the bikers fault as there is no information on the cause of the accident. But considering the close call I had and I'm a perfectly safe driver, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a demonstration of their supposed 'invincibility'.

A good post, and there seem to be more of the bikers you describe especially around towns and villages than there are sensible bikers....Still, I'm sure a biker will turn it into being your fault somehow.

It's not really a good post, though. It's a classic example of an association fallacy: "some bikers are bad, ergo we can say that bikers are bad". Mopeds aren't comparable to motorbikes, you need little training to ride them, the test consists of basically riding round some cones without falling off and can ride them from the age of 16. It's little wonder you see endless bags of raging hormones tootling about on them acting like utter dildos

Tut tut wrote:

George wrote:

Tut tut wrote:

Becki wrote: I have to say I am not at all surprised. As awful as this accident is and I hope the rider makes a good recovery, this accident was waiting to happen. Just two days ago when I was driving down Lockswood Rd (which is a 40mph) I was approaching the entrance to the Locks Heath Centre. As I got closer, 2 lads on mopeds attempted to pull out about 10 ft from my fast moving car. They braked, thank god, but the worse was still to come. They kept attempting to overtake me, and when I had to stop to give way to a police car, I thought they would buck their ideas up. That was naive. As I checked my mirrors and started to pull out again, these morons pull out straight around me, getting within less than a foot of my car. They then proceeded to look round and make rude gestures at me. How pathetic but unfortunately representative of the mentality of some of the teenage riders in the community. My boyfriend has also had experience of a group of 3 mopeds driving in a row (illegal, surely), tailing the back of his car, and attempting to overtake, on the same road! As of yet, I cannot say it was the bikers fault as there is no information on the cause of the accident. But considering the close call I had and I'm a perfectly safe driver, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a demonstration of their supposed 'invincibility'.

A good post, and there seem to be more of the bikers you describe especially around towns and villages than there are sensible bikers....Still, I'm sure a biker will turn it into being your fault somehow.

It's not really a good post, though. It's a classic example of an association fallacy: "some bikers are bad, ergo we can say that bikers are bad". Mopeds aren't comparable to motorbikes, you need little training to ride them, the test consists of basically riding round some cones without falling off and can ride them from the age of 16. It's little wonder you see endless bags of raging hormones tootling about on them acting like utter dildos

until the same bags of raging hormones upgrade to a motorbike. ;-)

Kaylee-bored at work wrote:
Hello JBR,

i agree it is all down to in-experiance and yes some drivers who are clearly experiance do cause danger to others.. although injuries and accidents can happen if people are driving at the speed limit, although you say due to age younger drivers are in-experiance what do the old people have as a excuse who have been driving for years, but like i said earlier they are a hazard on the roads but then theres no insurance companies who over charge old people for driving.

I also ageree with going fast in built up areas is dangerous but then again how often do you see people with their flash cars bombing it down the roadm i know from my experiance male drivers are very impataint, and i have also found that men/ women with faster cars then me ( fiat punto) tail you which makes you feel that you have to do more speed.

Tut tut wrote:

biker wrote: in the recent weeks there have to many deaths on bikes but if you see its the car drivers who cause the accidents please pay more attention the mirrors are there for a reason!

Mmm, I think we all know that is a silly comment. I will bring up an example of ONE biker\'s stupidity on ONE occassion... Travelling along the good old A326 (the site of a recent tragedy) on my way home at 5.30ish I as in heavy but fairly fasy moving traffic. The oncoming traffic was slightly lighter but still moving quickly. I understand that bikers will weave in and out and overtake stationary/slow moving traffic but this guy was doing it at high speeds amongst traffic that I would guess was moving about 50/55....meaning he was going faster...hardly a safe scenario. Bikers can be idiots, car drivers can be idiots. We all need to pay attention to our mirrors but it would help if bikers didn\'t insist in overtaking EVERYTHING in EVERY scenario. If they stopped and thought about the fact that in a crash they are likely to come off worse maybe they wouldn\'t take such risks. The driver of the car is irrelevant if bikers continue to take risks That is why many accidents happen.

spudnik wrote:

Tut tut wrote:

biker wrote: in the recent weeks there have to many deaths on bikes but if you see its the car drivers who cause the accidents please pay more attention the mirrors are there for a reason!

Mmm, I think we all know that is a silly comment. I will bring up an example of ONE biker\'s stupidity on ONE occassion... Travelling along the good old A326 (the site of a recent tragedy) on my way home at 5.30ish I as in heavy but fairly fasy moving traffic. The oncoming traffic was slightly lighter but still moving quickly. I understand that bikers will weave in and out and overtake stationary/slow moving traffic but this guy was doing it at high speeds amongst traffic that I would guess was moving about 50/55....meaning he was going faster...hardly a safe scenario. Bikers can be idiots, car drivers can be idiots. We all need to pay attention to our mirrors but it would help if bikers didn\'t insist in overtaking EVERYTHING in EVERY scenario. If they stopped and thought about the fact that in a crash they are likely to come off worse maybe they wouldn\'t take such risks. The driver of the car is irrelevant if bikers continue to take risks That is why many accidents happen.

At the beginning of this year I treated myself to a new sports bike. (Life begins at forty and all that) I did this for a couple of reasons partly for fun, but mainly to save myself time and more importantly to save on fuel costs. Since I have had the bike it has amazed me how many poor drivers there are out. I have been a car driver for 25 years and have never had even a near incident with a bike. As a motorcyclist I find myself constantly checking car driver’s behaviours trying to pre-empt their lack of awareness of anyone else on the road except themselves. I do not want to sound like an old moaner but until I got my bike I had no idea how many selfish daydreaming idiot car drivers there are out there. If a car has a knock with another car it will most likely end in an inconvenient dent and a small financial loss for someone. If you have a knock with a bike there is a good chance it will lead to the death of someone and a big loss for many others. We should encourage more people to use bikes to cut down on traffic. My sympathies to the families of those killed in recent weeks.

Samantha wrote:
Once the young man has made a full recovery I hope he does not read most of the above comments. When you do read this, I hope you are ok and do not blame yourself for the accident. As people get OLD, BITTER, OVER OPINIONATED AND STEREOTYPICAL they say things they do not really mean. I'm sure they meant to say GET WELL SOON.

daredevil wrote:

gorf wrote: another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads. ban them

I cannot believe your comments on another biker having an accident; your comments on the Fawley bike accident were 2 people die where unnecessary and unhelpful, as they are on this one. What is your problem, do you enjoy upsetting people, and do you have nothing else going on in your life that you have to push your sad unpleasant self on to others. As you may have now realised the biker was not at fault in the Fawley accident, the women has now been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. Just think about your words before you put your fingers on your keyboard to type your unnecessary comments.

Devil's Advocate wrote:

Samantha wrote:
Once the young man has made a full recovery I hope he does not read most of the above comments. When you do read this, I hope you are ok and do not blame yourself for the accident. As people get OLD, BITTER, OVER OPINIONATED AND STEREOTYPICAL they say things they do not really mean. I'm sure they meant to say GET WELL SOON.

what if the accident was his fault?

Judy wrote:
"Does anyone know who the poor lad is?? Your mindless bickering helps nothing. My thoughts are with the boys family." Here here, why don't the self-opinionated bickerers establish the facts before they make sweeeping assumptions which in this case are totally inaccurate and grossly inappropriate. My thoughts too are with the family

gorf wrote:

daredevil wrote:

gorf wrote: another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads. ban them

I cannot believe your comments on another biker having an accident; your comments on the Fawley bike accident were 2 people die where unnecessary and unhelpful, as they are on this one. What is your problem, do you enjoy upsetting people, and do you have nothing else going on in your life that you have to push your sad unpleasant self on to others. As you may have now realised the biker was not at fault in the Fawley accident, the women has now been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. Just think about your words before you put your fingers on your keyboard to type your unnecessary comments.

thank god for freedom of speech....shame the echo monitoring staff dont think so

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George wrote:

Devil's Advocate wrote:

Samantha wrote: Once the young man has made a full recovery I hope he does not read most of the above comments. When you do read this, I hope you are ok and do not blame yourself for the accident. As people get OLD, BITTER, OVER OPINIONATED AND STEREOTYPICAL they say things they do not really mean. I'm sure they meant to say GET WELL SOON.

what if the accident was his fault?

What if it was? Should he no longer get well soon?

Devil's Advocated wrote:

George wrote:

Devil's Advocate wrote:

Samantha wrote: Once the young man has made a full recovery I hope he does not read most of the above comments. When you do read this, I hope you are ok and do not blame yourself for the accident. As people get OLD, BITTER, OVER OPINIONATED AND STEREOTYPICAL they say things they do not really mean. I'm sure they meant to say GET WELL SOON.

what if the accident was his fault?

What if it was? Should he no longer get well soon?

lol, no I should have clarified for our favourite nit picker. I was implying that if it is his fault, I would hope she doesn't still think he shouldn't blame himself or read these posts.

If it was his fault, he should take responsibility for it, learn from it and move on.

Angela Whtiworth wrote:
I've ridden bikes since I was 16 and at that age I thought I was invincible and did many stupid things.

I have 3 boys, all of whom had mopeds. All of whom took proper training and in one case another days worth. One now has a Ducati, one is looking to get a 125 and the other is going for his bike test.

We've all been idiots when we were younger, clearly we are the lucky ones.

Don't judge, just hope this lad is ok and Nigel H's family are doing the best they can given his sad death on Sunday.

There by the grace of god go I!

Anji Whitworth

gorf wrote:
another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads. ban them

charlie wrote:

gorf wrote: another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads. ban them

i see what u mean but as a person that rides a motorbike its not us making chaos its mostly drivers not looking properly to obusy texting or just playing with the radio n then drive straight into us or pull out without even looking, u cant be in that much of a rush

Sentient wrote:

charlie wrote:

gorf wrote: another day...another biker causing chaos on the roads. ban them

i see what u mean but as a person that rides a motorbike its not us making chaos its mostly drivers not looking properly to obusy texting or just playing with the radio n then drive straight into us or pull out without even looking, u cant be in that much of a rush

These comments sections always seem to be full of blame;

Bikers "it's careless car drivers sending text messages and not looking where they're going"

Car drivers "bikers take their lives in their hands weaving in and out of traffic"

Why can't we all accept that sometimes accidents happen, and sometimes it's the rider/driver at fault, sometimes it's another vehicle's driver/rider and sometimes it's a bit of both.

Until the investigation has been completed we won't know. Nothing wrong with speculating or discussing, but give over with the blame culture - it's rarely black and white.

Ed wrote:
I live near this road, and i saw the area of the crash whilst driving back off my dog walk. It didnt look too bad but my friend saw the air ambulance landing. It disappoints me to see teenagers so yound driving motorbikes. It was probably a child from Brookfield community school.