The cornish flag adorns the back of the majority of local cars down in the south west, with a sprinkling of the new Devon flag just to annoy the cornish,they have always felt the tamar river divides them from the rest of England..and they feel a great pride in being Cornish. Who gives a toss about being a Hampshire hog..what county identity do we have to relate to? King Alfred or Benny Hill?

How about a picture of a hand holding cash and a waste bin. Thus representing our taxes paid to hampshire county council is just wasted away

how about the coat of arms?

or the red rose as worn by cubs/scouts/brownies
/guides etc on their uniform?

gorf wrote:
how about the coat of arms?

or the red rose as worn by cubs/scouts/brownies
/guides etc on their uniform?

Agreed. Good suggestion.

gorf wrote:
how about the coat of arms? or the red rose as worn by cubs/scouts/brownies /guides etc on their uniform?

Lancashire is known as the county of the Red Rose, so that wouldn't work for Hampshire.

there's really only one flag that could fly for hampshire.red field with a yellow dragon.
reason winchester was the old captital of england and wessex and there's alfred the great.

I thought there was a flag, a coat of arms stating a white rose on a red and yellow background. Considering successive governments have messed up the county map since 1974, it is difficult to know what goes where. Unitary authorities have boundaries on every map, making people think that it is not part of the county it is supposed to be in. When I was born, Bournemouth was in Hampshire but now, it seems to be a town all on its own. It cost millions to re-draw the county map, now its costing more being swallowed up by the EU monster that thinks that England is just a region.

General Malaise wrote:

gorf wrote:
how about the coat of arms? or the red rose as worn by cubs/scouts/brownies /guides etc on their uniform?

Lancashire is known as the county of the Red Rose, so that wouldn\'t work for Hampshire.

That's true, but Hampshire is just as entitled to use a red rose as part of its own emblem, and our Coat of Arms is quite distinctive and more relevant to Hampshire than a randomly coloured cross on a randomly coloured background like most of the other efforts. Of course we'll have to add a crescent moon and some green somewhere to avoid giving offence.

now i am offended andy it dont have a yellow dragon on red field

southy wrote:
there's really only one flag that could fly for hampshire.red field with a yellow dragon. reason winchester was the old captital of england and wessex and there's alfred the great.

it would look too Welsh

welsh flag has 3 colours,the old wessex banner only has 2 colours

Andy wrote:

General Malaise wrote:

gorf wrote: how about the coat of arms? or the red rose as worn by cubs/scouts/brownies /guides etc on their uniform?

Lancashire is known as the county of the Red Rose, so that wouldn\'t work for Hampshire.

That's true, but Hampshire is just as entitled to use a red rose as part of its own emblem, and our Coat of Arms is quite distinctive and more relevant to Hampshire than a randomly coloured cross on a randomly coloured background like most of the other efforts. Of course we'll have to add a crescent moon and some green somewhere to avoid giving offence.

yes, must not forget to include our ethnic friends.

Southy seems pretty keen on his dragon too so we are going to have one busy coat of arms

southy wrote:
welsh flag has 3 colours,the old wessex banner only has 2 colours

I meant the Dragon

For those talking about a 'dragon' as Wessex symbol it's not, it's a Wyvern (without legs and with a serpernts tail).
This is a symbol of Wessex, not specific to Hampshire. The Hog, silly or not, is much more relevant to the county of Hampshire. The red and white rose of Hamshire should be the symbol as used by the county council (from the Southampton crest).

SCSI wrote:
For those talking about a 'dragon' as Wessex symbol it's not, it's a Wyvern (without legs and with a serpernts tail). This is a symbol of Wessex, not specific to Hampshire. The Hog, silly or not, is much more relevant to the county of Hampshire. The red and white rose of Hamshire should be the symbol as used by the county council (from the Southampton crest).

Isn't it the British Army that use the Wyvern for Wessex? I think everyone else uses a Dragon

the Wyvern was more for the north of wessex.and the dragon was more for the south of wessex.King Athelstan was the first one to bring Wyvern into wessex has it was the banner to where he came from then later swop to a blue cross on a yellow field if i remember righty not to sure on the colour of the cross

Christoff wrote:

SCSI wrote: For those talking about a 'dragon' as Wessex symbol it's not, it's a Wyvern (without legs and with a serpernts tail). This is a symbol of Wessex, not specific to Hampshire. The Hog, silly or not, is much more relevant to the county of Hampshire. The red and white rose of Hamshire should be the symbol as used by the county council (from the Southampton crest).

Isn't it the British Army that use the Wyvern for Wessex? I think everyone else uses a Dragon

If they do they're wrong! ;-)
Wessex society, etc, use the Wyvern as is the traditional symbol of Wessex. There's a good reason why the Army use a Wyvern don't you think? ;-)

when you say hampshire hog it dont mean pig swine or boar,hog is a short for the full word hoggin meaning pathway or track

the yellow Wyvern on a red field is for ST Athelstan and this is why Wessex society and the Wessex army regiment uses it

We should give Hampshire citizenship back to all those poor souls moved into the Peoples Republic of Dorset back in 1971 around Highcliffe, Christchurch, and Bournemouth as part of the boundary changes. When Dorchester protests we can can send in an army of traffic wardens and PCSOs as peacekeepers. This flag is just the beginning. Show them we mean business. Yes.

how about if we invade them and make them pay for are tax

As far as I'm concerned I'm from Southampton, couldn't care less about Hampshire.

I think it should be plain black with a skull and cross bones over it

Plain white, both sides.........

Hog?

bollockstothemall wrote:
Hog?

i all ready pointed it out that hog is shorter word for hoggin maening pathway or track

What a load of old tosh...

Why is it that English counties are now looking for their own flags? I blame Cornwall but at least they have a flag because their history is not English and were of a different race but whats Devon's excuse for wanting a flag? The Cornish have one so we want one and Wiltshire, Gloucester and Dorset etc have got in on the act.

It's a gimmick that achieves no end, why can't people be secure enough in their own skin without feeling the need to wrap themselves in a pseudo identity supplied by a made up flag, proposed only because everyone else seems to have one - my, what a mature society we've become.

What happens when the New Forest wants it's own flag and why stop there lets take it down to town level and then every street should have it's own rallying banner - it really is a nonsense.

Hampshire's part of England with it's own flag isn't it? Why is that not deemed good enough anymore, these people rushing off to design a flag would be better served finding out about the current flags of Britain and what they mean rather than try to invent a new meaningless one.

For instance the Welsh flag is the oldest known national flag in existence and would be the flag of England now if it were not for countless invasions, where did the st.Georges cross and the three lions come from, it would serve people better if they knew and understood all this before talking such nonsense about a new (as opposed to our old one) flag for Hampshire.

Steve wrote:
What a load of old tosh... Why is it that English counties are now looking for their own flags? I blame Cornwall but at least they have a flag because their history is not English and were of a different race but whats Devon's excuse for wanting a flag? The Cornish have one so we want one and Wiltshire, Gloucester and Dorset etc have got in on the act. It's a gimmick that achieves no end, why can't people be secure enough in their own skin without feeling the need to wrap themselves in a pseudo identity supplied by a made up flag, proposed only because everyone else seems to have one - my, what a mature society we've become. What happens when the New Forest wants it's own flag and why stop there lets take it down to town level and then every street should have it's own rallying banner - it really is a nonsense. Hampshire's part of England with it's own flag isn't it? Why is that not deemed good enough anymore, these people rushing off to design a flag would be better served finding out about the current flags of Britain and what they mean rather than try to invent a new meaningless one. For instance the Welsh flag is the oldest known national flag in existence and would be the flag of England now if it were not for countless invasions, where did the st.Georges cross and the three lions come from, it would serve people better if they knew and understood all this before talking such nonsense about a new (as opposed to our old one) flag for Hampshire.

not keen on the idea then?

Red and white stripes.

Or an image of an ice rink with a cross through it.

Ian Hoolihan wrote:

Steve wrote: What a load of old tosh... Why is it that English counties are now looking for their own flags? I blame Cornwall but at least they have a flag because their history is not English and were of a different race but whats Devon's excuse for wanting a flag? The Cornish have one so we want one and Wiltshire, Gloucester and Dorset etc have got in on the act. It's a gimmick that achieves no end, why can't people be secure enough in their own skin without feeling the need to wrap themselves in a pseudo identity supplied by a made up flag, proposed only because everyone else seems to have one - my, what a mature society we've become. What happens when the New Forest wants it's own flag and why stop there lets take it down to town level and then every street should have it's own rallying banner - it really is a nonsense. Hampshire's part of England with it's own flag isn't it? Why is that not deemed good enough anymore, these people rushing off to design a flag would be better served finding out about the current flags of Britain and what they mean rather than try to invent a new meaningless one. For instance the Welsh flag is the oldest known national flag in existence and would be the flag of England now if it were not for countless invasions, where did the st.Georges cross and the three lions come from, it would serve people better if they knew and understood all this before talking such nonsense about a new (as opposed to our old one) flag for Hampshire.

not keen on the idea then?

No, not really. Does it show? ;-)

Steve wrote:

Ian Hoolihan wrote:

Steve wrote: What a load of old tosh... Why is it that English counties are now looking for their own flags? I blame Cornwall but at least they have a flag because their history is not English and were of a different race but whats Devon's excuse for wanting a flag? The Cornish have one so we want one and Wiltshire, Gloucester and Dorset etc have got in on the act. It's a gimmick that achieves no end, why can't people be secure enough in their own skin without feeling the need to wrap themselves in a pseudo identity supplied by a made up flag, proposed only because everyone else seems to have one - my, what a mature society we've become. What happens when the New Forest wants it's own flag and why stop there lets take it down to town level and then every street should have it's own rallying banner - it really is a nonsense. Hampshire's part of England with it's own flag isn't it? Why is that not deemed good enough anymore, these people rushing off to design a flag would be better served finding out about the current flags of Britain and what they mean rather than try to invent a new meaningless one. For instance the Welsh flag is the oldest known national flag in existence and would be the flag of England now if it were not for countless invasions, where did the st.Georges cross and the three lions come from, it would serve people better if they knew and understood all this before talking such nonsense about a new (as opposed to our old one) flag for Hampshire.

not keen on the idea then?

No, not really. Does it show? ;-)

Not at all, I was thinking, this guy is clearly 50/50

O.K, so they bin all the daubs the plebs send in, get an ad agency to design the flag at a cost of £50-100k,then HCC has to change all it's stationary and signage and god knows what else to incorporate 'The Flag', and after chucking away a few million do we feel anymore proud to be from Hampshire..err no. Drop this stupid idea,pride is not found this way.

Simple

The crescent and star in the upper left corner with a burberry background and a hog rampant in the middle!

How about the money be better spent and lets have another police officer, nurse, doctor, teacher or dentist. Possibly two.

What a complete waste of money. I wonder if we can get a refund on some our tax if we disagree. If we bought a meal and didn't like it we'd get our money back. Having said that, we wouldn't enter the resteraunt in the first place if we didn't want to eat.
In this case, I don't want to eat. Keep my money out of it.

Christoff wrote:

Andy wrote:

General Malaise wrote:

gorf wrote: how about the coat of arms? or the red rose as worn by cubs/scouts/brownies /guides etc on their uniform?

Lancashire is known as the county of the Red Rose, so that wouldn\\\'t work for Hampshire.

That\'s true, but Hampshire is just as entitled to use a red rose as part of its own emblem, and our Coat of Arms is quite distinctive and more relevant to Hampshire than a randomly coloured cross on a randomly coloured background like most of the other efforts. Of course we\'ll have to add a crescent moon and some green somewhere to avoid giving offence.

yes, must not forget to include our ethnic friends.

Southy seems pretty keen on his dragon too so we are going to have one busy coat of arms

"Ethnic friends"?Isn't that a quasi racist comment? Besides, Portsmouth's coat of arms has included ever since Richard I's time the Islamic crescent, so that would be entirely appropriate, given its importance as the greatest city in the country.

Just be thankful they haven't paid thousands upon thousands to some company to design a stupid, pointless flag which is out of touch.

2012 Olympic logo anyone?

New Southampton University logo/lettering?

The official colours of Hampshire are - Black and Amber. The red rose of Hampshire differs from others in England by the position of the petals.

The cross of St Cross, Winchester with the Trusty Servant rampant on a Pompy plum background with chevrons d'argent.

Forget the Wessex Wyvern as that is already used by Somerset and has been for many years. Most people don't even think Hampshire is really part of Wessex anyway - only the New Forest bit, where they have Wessex Water. The rest of Hampshire was settled by the Jutes.
As for King Alfred - he was neither born or died in Hampshire, he hid in Somerset and had his greatest battle in Wilsthire. England as a country didn't exist until his grandson's reigh and that momentous event took place in Bath a short while after Edgar was rowed up the River Dee by lesser Kings. I always laugh when I see King Alfred's statue in Winchester -there is one in Wantage and that is where Alfred would have chosen.
Flag for Hants should have a pig coupled with green for the countryside and blue for the sea. I like the Wiltshire flag and it didn't cost a bean - infact they sell them at a profit from the tourist information centres here.

What about a chavvy teenage mum cashing a giro with a bottle of cider in the otherhand and a crackpipe in her pocket.

Dave wrote:

Christoff wrote:

Andy wrote:

General Malaise wrote:

gorf wrote: how about the coat of arms? or the red rose as worn by cubs/scouts/brownies /guides etc on their uniform?

Lancashire is known as the county of the Red Rose, so that wouldn\\\'t work for Hampshire.

That\'s true, but Hampshire is just as entitled to use a red rose as part of its own emblem, and our Coat of Arms is quite distinctive and more relevant to Hampshire than a randomly coloured cross on a randomly coloured background like most of the other efforts. Of course we\'ll have to add a crescent moon and some green somewhere to avoid giving offence.

yes, must not forget to include our ethnic friends. Southy seems pretty keen on his dragon too so we are going to have one busy coat of arms

"Ethnic friends"?Isn't that a quasi racist comment? Besides, Portsmouth's coat of arms has included ever since Richard I's time the Islamic crescent, so that would be entirely appropriate, given its importance as the greatest city in the country.

no it isn't a quasi racist comment...go search somehere else for a racist

What is that daft "moonraker" on about- King Alfred was buried in Hyde - Winchester.

Southy - not often are you right, and yes you are wrong again. Hampshire Hog - 1790 dictionary. Hampshire Hog - jocular description of Hampshire man - after the famous breed of bacon pig bred in that county !

Andy wrote:

General Malaise wrote:

gorf wrote: how about the coat of arms? or the red rose as worn by cubs/scouts/brownies /guides etc on their uniform?

Lancashire is known as the county of the Red Rose, so that wouldn\'t work for Hampshire.

That's true, but Hampshire is just as entitled to use a red rose as part of its own emblem, and our Coat of Arms is quite distinctive and more relevant to Hampshire than a randomly coloured cross on a randomly coloured background like most of the other efforts. Of course we'll have to add a crescent moon and some green somewhere to avoid giving offence.

The red rose featured on cub and scout badges is not the Lancashire rose, it is the Tudor Rose.

Denzil wrote:
What about a chavvy teenage mum cashing a giro with a bottle of cider in the otherhand and a crackpipe in her pocket.

After your insensitive comments about the Mick Channon car crash yesterday, I would have thought that you would have kept a low profile for a while.

Low profile for a low-life.

I was born in Hampshire. I don't need a county flag, -when would I wave it?
Anyway Hampshire already has a crest, so why not put that on the flag?

SCSI wrote:
For those talking about a 'dragon' as Wessex symbol it's not, it's a Wyvern (without legs and with a serpernts tail). This is a symbol of Wessex, not specific to Hampshire. The Hog, silly or not, is much more relevant to the county of Hampshire. The red and white rose of Hamshire should be the symbol as used by the county council (from the Southampton crest).

Yeah but a Wyvern is from the dragon family. Just like a lion, tiger and a fury haired flea ridden bitten puty cat are from the same family.

Anywhere but Southy wrote:
Southy - not often are you right, and yes you are wrong again. Hampshire Hog - 1790 dictionary. Hampshire Hog - jocular description of Hampshire man - after the famous breed of bacon pig bred in that county !

your right in a way your version is the general view of where the name comes from,but there is an older version and that it came from the area known has the hog or hoggin,s,this was a track that went from romsey to andover with its many pathways and track crossings,there is also another area known has the hog back track now a major road,both areas was known by those names before hampshire or hamptonshire was formed.

Wintonian wrote:
What is that daft "moonraker" on about- King Alfred was buried in Hyde - Winchester.

born in wantage berkshire crowned king in winchester died of ill health (location of his death is unknown)and was buried in Hyde chapel winchester

"Hampshire's part of England with it's own flag isn't it? Why is that not deemed good enough anymore, these people rushing off to design a flag would be better served finding out about the current flags of Britain and what they mean rather than try to invent a new meaningless one."


Well said, Steve, but if we all displayed Union Jack, how long would it be before the PC Brigade objected on the grounds of racism?

We are not taught to respect, or indeed, be proud of being British. So why bother at a local level? In fact, we should be sticking together not putting up further barriers to induce ill feeling between Counties.

It's bad enough reading comments on here between Southampton and Portsmouth bods, let alone escalating it to a County level. Then again, both City's would be lumped together under the same banner, could it possibly bring them closer together? Sadly, I think not.

George St Cross Well said, Steve, but if we all displayed Union Jack,

it called a union flag not union jack, the jack is the flag staff on the bow of a ship

southy wrote:

Anywhere but Southy wrote:
Southy - not often are you right, and yes you are wrong again. Hampshire Hog - 1790 dictionary. Hampshire Hog - jocular description of Hampshire man - after the famous breed of bacon pig bred in that county !

your right in a way your version is the general view of where the name comes from,but there is an older version and that it came from the area known has the hog or hoggin,s,this was a track that went from romsey to andover with its many pathways and track crossings,there is also another area known has the hog back track now a major road,both areas was known by those names before hampshire or hamptonshire was formed.

I have to admit a grudging respect for you. You are a one-person, 100% success rate , cast iron, guaranteed - or - a - full - refund, WONDER CURE for insomnia.

What we actually need is a flag with a blue background and in its center a small black square and within that square a nice, neat white painted picket fence. Then, I could sit on the Sitting Fence and wave my Sitting Fence flag 50% to the left and 50% to the right

George St Cross wrote:
\"Hampshire\'s part of England with it\'s own flag isn\'t it? Why is that not deemed good enough anymore, these people rushing off to design a flag would be better served finding out about the current flags of Britain and what they mean rather than try to invent a new meaningless one.\" Well said, Steve, but if we all displayed Union Jack, how long would it be before the PC Brigade objected on the grounds of racism? We are not taught to respect, or indeed, be proud of being British. So why bother at a local level? In fact, we should be sticking together not putting up further barriers to induce ill feeling between Counties. It\'s bad enough reading comments on here between Southampton and Portsmouth bods, let alone escalating it to a County level. Then again, both City\'s would be lumped together under the same banner, could it possibly bring them closer together? Sadly, I think not.

What is 'being British' ?

How is the Union Flag rascist? the Union flag represents the United Kingdom of Scotland , England and Wales, wheresas the Cross of St George singles out England.If there was such thing as a PC brigade surely they would go after the George Cross. Thats the one all the knobheads from the BNP wave.

Denzil wrote:
What about a chavvy teenage mum cashing a giro with a bottle of cider in the otherhand and a crackpipe in her pocket.

Classic, I'm still laughing

Forest hump wrote:

Denzil wrote: What about a chavvy teenage mum cashing a giro with a bottle of cider in the otherhand and a crackpipe in her pocket.

Classic, I\'m still laughing

Agree - Denzil is sometimes bang on.


Makes a change from the historians

He beat me to it though - I must get up earlier

Brian wrote:

George St Cross wrote: \"Hampshire\'s part of England with it\'s own flag isn\'t it? Why is that not deemed good enough anymore, these people rushing off to design a flag would be better served finding out about the current flags of Britain and what they mean rather than try to invent a new meaningless one.\" Well said, Steve, but if we all displayed Union Jack, how long would it be before the PC Brigade objected on the grounds of racism? We are not taught to respect, or indeed, be proud of being British. So why bother at a local level? In fact, we should be sticking together not putting up further barriers to induce ill feeling between Counties. It\'s bad enough reading comments on here between Southampton and Portsmouth bods, let alone escalating it to a County level. Then again, both City\'s would be lumped together under the same banner, could it possibly bring them closer together? Sadly, I think not.

What is 'being British' ? How is the Union Flag rascist? the Union flag represents the United Kingdom of Scotland , England and Wales, wheresas the Cross of St George singles out England.If there was such thing as a PC brigade surely they would go after the George Cross. Thats the one all the knobheads from the BNP wave.

My views have nothing to do with the BNP. To me, being British is about respecting (or at least accepting, in some cases)the customs and laws of this country - as opposed to trying to change them to something resembling the culture of another land. When in Rome and all that!

We do, unfortunately, have to watch what we do, as it is all too easy for others to jump to conclusions. For instance, I take no offence with the George Cross, but you have immediately linked it to the BNP! (Not knocking you for that, I just haven't taken enough notice of them to know that to be the case).

If I displayed the Union Flag, it would be to display my loyalty to my Country. Others, I'm sure, would say that it excludes the minority communities and therein lies the problem. Racist, I am not!

Britain will never be truly at ease with itself until it learns the value of knowing what and who it comes from and what formed it, and that certainly was not a political act of union.

A more European country would be impossible to find with the nations entire population deriving from the continent. The Celtic countries have no more right to claim Britain as it's own than those of Norman descent as even the Celts were settlers from what is now modern day Poland. Bit rich anyone slagging off the current Poles for coming here looking to work and contribute to this country when they are following a well worn path that their detractors ancestors could have trodden, only they would have made the journey with a sword in their hand rather than a saw.

Britain was formed from the biggest melting pot of races that one could ever imagine being possible, why is this not being taught properly in our schools as it should.

It would make the country a better place to live if we all understood that we and our ancestors came to be "British" via the same route. Instead the schools will probably embrace a new shiny flag and the next generation will have something else in which to mark themselves out as different to the next person.

Another good reason why it should be the Yellow Dragon on a Red Field.
Winchester was once the capital of Wessex and of England (willaim the conquer move it from winchester to london)

According to http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/List_of_Bri
tish_flags we already have a flag.
Red top half with a crown, yellow bottom half with the rose.

Karen at last, I am nearly 60 and have known most of that time, the flag of Hampshire is exactly as you say.

Similar to the above, please see the existing two flags of Hampshire.

www3.hants.gov.uk/lo
gos/cx-logos-flags.h
tm

if they phone these numbers they can order then form Hampshire county council. 01962 846243
01962 847323.


problem solved.

Come on Echo do some research

the rose and crown belongs to the hampshire crown sheriff and was indeed use has the county badge flown on a yellow and red feild.
no longer in use because there is a lord hampshire.

The position of High Sheriff of Hampshire is till extant. There is a Lord Lieutenant and Deputy LLs.

Deputy wrote:
The position of High Sheriff of Hampshire is till extant. There is a Lord Lieutenant and Deputy LLs.

agreed there this a High Sheriff but there's no longer a crown sheriff.

Deputy wrote:
The position of High Sheriff of Hampshire is till extant. There is a Lord Lieutenant and Deputy LLs.

agreed there this a High Sheriff but there's no longer a crown sheriff.

Similar to the above, please see the existing two flags of Hampshire.

www3.hants.gov.uk/lo

gos/cx-logos-flags.h

tm

if they phone these numbers they can order then form Hampshire county council. 01962 846243
01962 847323.


problem solved.

Come on Echo do some research

I clicked on the link you posted live local and it says that there is no flag of Hampshire - only a county flag... "The County Council has two flags. The red and yellow flag is based on our coat of arms and is flown on formal occasions. The blue flag is based on our corporate logo and is flown daily. Both flags represent Hampshire County Council and not the county of Hampshire."

So I guess that means there is no flag of Hampshire!

If the marketing gurus have their own way in this then we could see something that bears no relation to Hampshire at all. Something like the hideous green welcoming signs when you come into Southampton, complete with a corporate sponsor underneath. We are still waiting for a Spitfire memorial (albeit sixty years late) and now they jump onto something like this. If we could see the REAL counties on our maps instead of the mis-mash of enclaves that our wondersful government has reduced it to then I might get enthusiastic but wee Gordon has finally signed away the last of our national identity called the Treaty of Lisbon so why bother? Anyway, the EU say that millions more people are going to flock to our shores by 2058 so I don't think they would care what county they live in.

Treaty of Lisbon is not in force YET there work to be done on it and must be compleated by some time in 2009.all its about is what can be done and what can not be done in the eu.alot of things will need to be work out remember there is also the commonwealth that we are in and lead it there need will need to be taking into account to.

Hampshire already has a flag:

http://commons.wikim
edia.org/wiki/Image:
Flag_of_Hampshire.sv
g

southy wrote:
Treaty of Lisbon is not in force YET there work to be done on it and must be compleated by some time in 2009.all its about is what can be done and what can not be done in the eu.alot of things will need to be work out remember there is also the commonwealth that we are in and lead it there need will need to be taking into account to.

Wrong Southy. The Treaty is a done deal and anyone who does not like it will be put in their place. As for the Commonwealth, that is becoming an irrelevance in today's world as that is more of a con-federation. The EU is now recognised as a state, the last step towards creating a "New World Order." By the way, get your grammar right in future!

This new treaty is the result of negotiations between EU member countries in an intergovernmental conference, in which the Commission and Parliament were also involved. The treaty will not apply until and unless it is ratified by each of the EU’s 27 members. It is up to each country to choose the procedure for ratification, in line with its own national constitution.

The target date for ratification set by member governments is 1 January 2009 – some months before the elections to the European Parliament.

Clive wrote:

southy wrote: Treaty of Lisbon is not in force YET there work to be done on it and must be compleated by some time in 2009.all its about is what can be done and what can not be done in the eu.alot of things will need to be work out remember there is also the commonwealth that we are in and lead it there need will need to be taking into account to.

Wrong Southy. The Treaty is a done deal and anyone who does not like it will be put in their place. As for the Commonwealth, that is becoming an irrelevance in today's world as that is more of a con-federation. The EU is now recognised as a state, the last step towards creating a "New World Order." By the way, get your grammar right in future!

Wasn't Thatcher the PM that signed away most of our sovereignty? Who said that Blair invented spin.

I'm loving your alternative future Clive, lets get out of that hideous EU with immediate effect. It sounds glorious, ruling ourselves again with no interference from outside countries or organisations - oh hang on! How would that work in practise when our biggest trading partner would still be the EU leaving us still having to abide by their rules and regulations if we wish to continue trading with them, the metric system would not be dismantled, our working practises would have to correspond with the rest of the EU if we wish to have the level of employment that we currently enjoy - but whats a job when you have real freedom eh Clive.

Would the yanks let us leave the EU? As we are in hock to them over a multitude of things aren't we, how about our independent nuclear deterrent aimed at who ever they tell us to aim it at without us having the freedom to fire the **** thing without their permission and how much do we pay them for the privilege?

Britain would be truly great again if only we stood alone, one tiny island amongst massive trading blocks who i'm sure would come rushing to pay homage to such a world player of such import, you just have to look at the mighty Norway, ploughing it's own furrow against the tide of globalisation - ploughing it all the way to Brussels where they unhitch it to gain favour with the EU where they abide by almost every edict going in order to have EU work pushed their way - a member in all but name.

Imagine us stood alone with out any of our EU opt out clauses which allow us to cherry pick the bits of legislation that suits us, much to the consternation of the other members states - that they would be gone we'd have to abide by more EU directives than we ever have done if we wished to continue trading with the partner that puts most bread on British tables - but once again Clive a small price to pay for freedom.

I'd love to join your fantasy world Clive i really would, when is your next orbit around the real world due as i'll see if i can hop on!

i am all for getting out of the eu,trading will be the same has it is now just that any thing coming in form the eu that we left would be tax the same has any other stuff that we import.and if turkey do get into the eu like america wants there going to be a few countrys leaving the eu

How ridiculous - when we have the MOST beautiful Coat of Arms for Hampshire already - The Hampshire Rose - history made .....