numbers will be counted that use it

southy wrote:
numbers will be counted that use it

Oh, that's guaranteed bro! And if the Council get any inkling that CE will lose money, they'll scrap any further attempt to generate commercial interest in building a permanent rink due to perceived lack of interest. Our spineless Tory Council in action.

Don't fear though. The Brick and I are going to rack up 50000 hours of skating time to make sure that never happens.

if the figures are right for the last one 16,000 skaters that would more than enough to do it.only problem is if its built in the center of southampton alot of people will avoid it.people like my self,i dont even do my shopping in the center southampton let alone my entertainment and only go into the center only when there is no choice else where

southy wrote:
if the figures are right for the last one 16,000 skaters that would more than enough to do it.only problem is if its built in the center of southampton alot of people will avoid it.people like my self,i dont even do my shopping in the center southampton let alone my entertainment and only go into the center only when there is no choice else where

well why don't you make an exception and get in there to show your support.

There is no bogeyman in town you know, you will be quite safe....well, not if you listen to statistics but hey ho.

Get in there Southy, you obviously have a keen interest in this skating malarky

southy wrote:
numbers will be counted that use it

Of course they will! And the figures will still be virtually meaningless, because they have no bearing on how many of those people would use an ice rink at any other time of the year. I suggest you, or BRICK, or someone, gets down there and runs an exit poll on how many people would like to make use of a permanent rink, rather than just sit back and quote the figure as God-given evidence that everyone that skated at Christmas is a complete ice nut who wouldn't be able to stay away

Woo-hoo! Daily Echo Forum Readers meet-up on the ice rink!

Look! There's Denzil scratching his bum! And Kebab Man giving out frozen extra mayo ice cream on stick, eh? Southy and Paramjit are wearing flowing red cloaks as symbols of the forthcoming Socialist revolution, and The Brick is laughing at George saying "I told you so!!" and "Give us what we want and we'll go away!! Ahahahah!!"

December 12th, be there.

Dr Alimantado wrote:

southy wrote:
if the figures are right for the last one 16,000 skaters that would more than enough to do it.only problem is if its built in the center of southampton alot of people will avoid it.people like my self,i dont even do my shopping in the center southampton let alone my entertainment and only go into the center only when there is no choice else where

well why don\'t you make an exception and get in there to show your support.

There is no bogeyman in town you know, you will be quite safe....well, not if you listen to statistics but hey ho.

Get in there Southy, you obviously have a keen interest in this skating malarky

i use to like going into town once that was before the councils destoryed it,by having only what they wanted and not what the people wanted

i use to like going into town once that was before the councils destoryed it,by having only what they wanted and not what the people wanted

But in this instance, it's got what you wanted. Get down there and use it! I will be

if i am in the library i might pop round to have a go.

southy wrote:
if i am in the library i might pop round to have a go.

sounds like you need to get out of the library a little more often

Dr Alimantado wrote:

southy wrote:
if i am in the library i might pop round to have a go.

sounds like you need to get out of the library a little more often

library,s are the best starting source for info and is more reliable and would have less errors in info and i only there about once a mth

southy wrote:

Dr Alimantado wrote:

southy wrote: if i am in the library i might pop round to have a go.

sounds like you need to get out of the library a little more often

library,s are the best starting source for info and is more reliable and would have less errors in info and i only there about once a mth

Southy, don't take this an an insult but you are a very strange yet interesting man.

You bang on about every topic as though it is part of your soul, obviously researching things extensively and getting a lot of needless info and facts. But when action is required, such as the ice rink, you seem to be terrified of going anywhere other than your house or library.

What's that all about?

Of course, you don't have to say or justify, but I would love to hear

I see that the one in 2006 LOST £60,000. Well iam sick to death of these Councils spending my money on ice rinks temporary or otherwise. Its simple if you want to skate, great, go to Basingstoke or Gosport but dont keep expecting the tax payers of Southampton to keep puting their hands in their pockets to bank roll mnority sports like this. I am Fed up with it. To fund the £60,000 loss two years ago that probably deprived some childrens or Seniors home a part of their care. YOU WANT IT, YOU PAY FOR IT

Yikes, thats just outside my office window, I'll have to put my skates on in the office and get out there on the twelfth and spray stop George!!! LOL

£16000 loss in 2006
Im out

Ian Hoolihan wrote:

southy wrote:

Dr Alimantado wrote:

southy wrote: if i am in the library i might pop round to have a go.

sounds like you need to get out of the library a little more often

library,s are the best starting source for info and is more reliable and would have less errors in info and i only there about once a mth

Southy, don\\\'t take this an an insult but you are a very strange yet interesting man.

You bang on about every topic as though it is part of your soul, obviously researching things extensively and getting a lot of needless info and facts. But when action is required, such as the ice rink, you seem to be terrified of going anywhere other than your house or library.

What\\\'s that all about?

Of course, you don\\\'t have to say or justify, but I would love to hear

only keep with in topics i know about Ian Hoolihan,i just dont like how the city center and the main part of town is like now days they have destoryed it, it no longer than that friendly looking place that it had once.i much prefere to go to totton or salisbury to do my shopping or get any thing else i need,one of the only good things in the city it has a half reasonable library

oh forgot to say that i do travel alot i seen alot of things over the years

southy wrote:

Ian Hoolihan wrote:

southy wrote:

Dr Alimantado wrote:

southy wrote: if i am in the library i might pop round to have a go.

sounds like you need to get out of the library a little more often

library,s are the best starting source for info and is more reliable and would have less errors in info and i only there about once a mth

Southy, don\\\'t take this an an insult but you are a very strange yet interesting man. You bang on about every topic as though it is part of your soul, obviously researching things extensively and getting a lot of needless info and facts. But when action is required, such as the ice rink, you seem to be terrified of going anywhere other than your house or library. What\\\'s that all about? Of course, you don\\\'t have to say or justify, but I would love to hear

only keep with in topics i know about Ian Hoolihan,i just dont like how the city center and the main part of town is like now days they have destoryed it, it no longer than that friendly looking place that it had once.i much prefere to go to totton or salisbury to do my shopping or get any thing else i need,one of the only good things in the city it has a half reasonable library

ok, I was beginning to think you were a recluse. Knowledge is power and all that but it doesn't mean jack if you sit on your @rse all day talking and not doing.

I'm sensing that you like libraries...he he

librarys are the place to get true facts well a lot less errors in info,unlike the internet info has way to many errors and can never be relied on for facts.
when i become a recluse i think i head to st helena island not been there since the mid 70's

NOBODY will use it. waster of my council tax. fools

Ken Tucky wrote:
NOBODY will use it. waster of my council tax. fools

no council tax involed

Fed up wrote:
I see that the one in 2006 LOST £60,000. Well iam sick to death of these Councils spending my money on ice rinks temporary or otherwise. Its simple if you want to skate, great, go to Basingstoke or Gosport but dont keep expecting the tax payers of Southampton to keep puting their hands in their pockets to bank roll mnority sports like this. I am Fed up with it. To fund the £60,000 loss two years ago that probably deprived some childrens or Seniors home a part of their care. YOU WANT IT, YOU PAY FOR IT

Going to Basingstoke tonight to celebrate the Xmas ice rink that I will be using as much as I can. taxpayers money is not being used whatsoever, that used for other things like the development of pubs, bars and drinking clubs in the city centre.

enjoy your self brick i am off to tower park myself going to have a nice swimming in that nice warm water pool they got down there in the fittness center

£28 for a family for an hour? The Quite Franklys will not be participating in this minority nonsense.

i would say £28 for a family is a bit costly unless you got 6 people in the family,if you want the people there to use it keep it very cheap the cheaper it is the more that will use it

Good call southy, but that does not wash in a capitalist economy, to be fair.

Quite frankly.... wrote:
Good call southy, but that does not wash in a capitalist economy, to be fair.

your right there,greed blinds them.charge more get less people,charge less and get more people

Ian Hoolihan wrote:

southy wrote:

Dr Alimantado wrote:

southy wrote: if i am in the library i might pop round to have a go.

sounds like you need to get out of the library a little more often

library,s are the best starting source for info and is more reliable and would have less errors in info and i only there about once a mth

Southy, don't take this an an insult but you are a very strange yet interesting man.

You bang on about every topic as though it is part of your soul, obviously researching things extensively and getting a lot of needless info and facts. But when action is required, such as the ice rink, you seem to be terrified of going anywhere other than your house or library.

What's that all about?

Of course, you don't have to say or justify, but I would love to hear

Weird is my preferred description. I am happy to throw insults around . . . . . this guy is an intelectual cripple and likely a physical one too, hence he does not get out a lot. An Armchair Critic. An Armchair Socialist. An Armchair Pontificator. We should set up a campaign to get him one of those snazzy recliners with a massage built-in and electric switch to move the footrest up and down, so he can concentrate, without distraction or unecessary effort, on the critical stuff, like BORING everybody fart-less.

THE BRICK wrote:

Fed up wrote:
I see that the one in 2006 LOST £60,000. Well iam sick to death of these Councils spending my money on ice rinks temporary or otherwise. Its simple if you want to skate, great, go to Basingstoke or Gosport but dont keep expecting the tax payers of Southampton to keep puting their hands in their pockets to bank roll mnority sports like this. I am Fed up with it. To fund the £60,000 loss two years ago that probably deprived some childrens or Seniors home a part of their care. YOU WANT IT, YOU PAY FOR IT

Going to Basingstoke tonight to celebrate the Xmas ice rink that I will be using as much as I can. taxpayers money is not being used whatsoever, that used for other things like the development of pubs, bars and drinking clubs in the city centre.

Ah! Basingstoke!

The Entertainment Capital of the South.

A Fun-Filled Friday night in Bowdy, Rowdy Basingstoke.

Yes, Basingstoke! . . . best experienced on an icy winters day with a trusty, rusty pair of ice skates and a warm cup of cocoa and curled-up, tired-looking ham and cheese sandwich afterwards. Mmmm . . . wunerful times in Basingstoke.

Beautiful Basingstoke . Bashful, Bountiful, Bollockingly Luverly Basingstoke, twinned with Bangcock and Bratislava and Bangalore. Who could ask for more?

Me, that's who. I want a Sitting Fence. And I want it NOW!

dont like it do you when your proven wrong do you

THE BRICK wrote:
Yikes, thats just outside my office window, I'll have to put my skates on in the office and get out there on the twelfth and spray stop George!!! LOL

You'll have to catch me first :-) get yer skates on!

i wonder if the no people have work out where brick works

I'm curious about Southy too. You would think that in all his many hours of reading, researching, and learning at the library, and at home on the internet, that he might have picked up at least the basics of spelling, punctuation and grammar.

KL wrote:
I'm curious about Southy too. You would think that in all his many hours of reading, researching, and learning at the library, and at home on the internet, that he might have picked up at least the basics of spelling, punctuation and grammar.

Yeah.

He's a sort of bumbling, buffoon-like human version of Old Moore’s Almanack, except his facts often are wrong or made up on the spot to fit the ebb and flow of his argument.

If you regularly view his postings there is a discernible pattern: the grammar and spelling of an illiterate Welsh sheep farmer with large tufts of hairs growing out his ears who skipped formal education, is replaced by highly articulate, pithy and attractive prose.

Maybe he inadvertently slips between the two extremes?

Maybe he is a University Professor trying hard to disguise this?

Maybe he has several poster IDs and gets their "personas" mixed at times?

This possibility is strengthened by his apparent paranoia that the poster “northy” frequently adopts parallel poster IDs, just to annoy and belittle him?

Have you noticed that too?

I have no clue if there is one or several “northy’s” and see no evidence either way. But he certainly has a bee in his bonnet about “northy” or the “northys”

My gripe with him is his smug self satisfaction and self proclaimed ( and unjustified ) online role of: Lord Of All Knowledge Of All Things About Southampton That Ever Happened In History And Will Ever Happen In The Future.

This superiority is offensive and condescending to all other contributors.

He also has a need , much of the time, to be right, and always has to have the last word. What is all that about? Freud would have the answers.

KL wrote:
I'm curious about Southy too. You would think that in all his many hours of reading, researching, and learning at the library, and at home on the internet, that he might have picked up at least the basics of spelling, punctuation and grammar.

semi retired so i do some thing to keep me busy,i use to work out into the field most of the time,and traveled the world a lot, it was rare to see me sit behide an office desk,i employed one person to do that for me.

This superiority is offensive and condescending to all other contributors.

I don't think its all that offensive. I find it amusing sometimes when he tries his twists and turns to avoid appearing wrong, but it's hard to be offended by something that blatantly exposes faulty reasoning. But mostly, it's hard to find Southy offensive because he's one of the few contributors who pretty much always avoids the rampant ad hominem that pervades these boards. I've had a few enormous disagreements with him that, had he been another poster, would have resulted in a massive amount of name-calling, me being followed around the boards and repeatedly jumped upon with "I'm George I think I know everything" quotes. Happens with a really boring regularity, because a lot of people simply cannot disagree with someone else without taking it personally.

Southy's a curiosity alright, but an on-topic one, and a calm one

take no notice of them goerge,northy and co dont like to be proven wrong,and when you do prove they are wrong they get very offensive.
this might be due to when they was a baby there mum was trying to ween them of the dummy at the age of 5 when she should off never let them have a dummy you know the sort of kid the ones that throw a tamtrum in the shops or street when mummy said no

southy wrote:
take no notice of them goerge,northy and co dont like to be proven wrong,and when you do prove they are wrong they get very offensive.
this might be due to when they was a baby there mum was trying to ween them of the dummy at the age of 5 when she should off never let them have a dummy you know the sort of kid the ones that throw a tamtrum in the shops or street when mummy said no

word

southy wrote:
take no notice of them goerge,northy and co dont like to be proven wrong,and when you do prove they are wrong they get very offensive.
this might be due to when they was a baby there mum was trying to ween them of the dummy at the age of 5 when she should off never let them have a dummy you know the sort of kid the ones that throw a tamtrum in the shops or street when mummy said no

All well and good, Southy, but where has anyone been proven wrong??

not in the ice rinks items goerge.the only time when this is proven right or wrong will be when they build it and see what happens.

southy wrote:
not in the ice rinks items goerge.the only time when this is proven right or wrong will be when they build it and see what happens.

Exactly. So, this "proving wrong" thing, then....

go's back a long while now,was about an item on the docks,they been following me around ever since

southy wrote:
go's back a long while now,was about an item on the docks,they been following me around ever since

Oh right, that old chestnut!

yup that chestnut,still while they picking on me they giving some one else a rest

southy wrote:
go's back a long while now,was about an item on the docks,they been following me around ever since

"They"?

This paranoia and persecution complex is troubling.

We have spare beds. The admission process is streamlined and we can help you fill out forms.

We respect confidentiality, so "they" won't find you here.

southy wrote:
enjoy your self brick i am off to tower park myself going to have a nice swimming in that nice warm water pool they got down there in the fittness center

You claim to support the ice rink but will only use it if it is built near Redbridge.
Then say you would rather go to Tower park... Is that the one with the ice rink you go to. Please find the ice rink that you tell us is there?
Plus I still want to know how The closed rink at richmond made 4 million from an ice show.
Finally you secret news from your M8 (mate) at Costains saying they are going to build 10 ice rinks. How about some reference, or shall I quote my mate who says you are lying, and don't give me the top secret twaddle, no company would getr to an advanced stage of planning a multiple project like that with out public knowlege. there would be planning enquiries, public consultation etc

live local said

You claim to support the ice rink but will only use it if it is built near Redbridge

Stop putting words into my mouth i did not say that,i said i not use the temp rink this winter,unless i am in the library i might pop round.

Then say you would rather go to Tower park... Is that the one with the ice rink you go to. Please find the ice rink that you tell us is there

for you to belive you need to go there your self or are you to lazy to get out of that chair and look for places.

Plus I still want to know how The closed rink at richmond made 4 million from an ice show.

you are saying 4 million on a ice show i did't.i said the company that ran richmond ice rink is still making a profit they are still reg has a business.and are more than likey mading money though the banks till the day when they get a new ice rink.

Finally you secret news from your M8 (mate) at Costains saying they are going to build 10 ice rinks. How about some reference

again you are trying to put words in my mouth now watch the lips I said costains might be putting in a bid to build the 10 new ice rinks in the uk they are not the planner nore the developer they might be the builder if they win the bid or bids.dont you know how the construction industry works.and if i was you i would get new m8's that know how the construction industry works.there would be planning enquiries, public consultation,only if there is objections to the 3 public notice.
a little foot note for you my m8 in costains was asking me if i had any spare riggers on my books,or know of any good erector riggers in the near future that will be available.theres going to be a shortage of them.due to a major project that coming up on the south coast some where and is going to take 3 to 5 years to do.

Ohhh! Getting techy, arn't we.

Where's the calm exterior gone?

Defensive hogwash.

Still making up porkies.

"Might". "If". All rather conveniently vague.

Big footnote: "now watch the lips", an impossibility.

southy wrote:
live local said

You claim to support the ice rink but will only use it if it is built near Redbridge

Stop putting words into my mouth i did not say that,i said i not use the temp rink this winter,unless i am in the library i might pop round.

Then say you would rather go to Tower park... Is that the one with the ice rink you go to. Please find the ice rink that you tell us is there

for you to belive you need to go there your self or are you to lazy to get out of that chair and look for places.

Plus I still want to know how The closed rink at richmond made 4 million from an ice show.

you are saying 4 million on a ice show i did\'t.i said the company that ran richmond ice rink is still making a profit they are still reg has a business.and are more than likey mading money though the banks till the day when they get a new ice rink.

Finally you secret news from your M8 (mate) at Costains saying they are going to build 10 ice rinks. How about some reference

again you are trying to put words in my mouth now watch the lips I said costains might be putting in a bid to build the 10 new ice rinks in the uk they are not the planner nore the developer they might be the builder if they win the bid or bids.dont you know how the construction industry works.and if i was you i would get new m8\'s that know how the construction industry works.there would be planning enquiries, public consultation,only if there is objections to the 3 public notice. a little foot note for you my m8 in costains was asking me if i had any spare riggers on my books,or know of any good erector riggers in the near future that will be available.theres going to be a shortage of them.due to a major project that coming up on the south coast some where and is going to take 3 to 5 years to do.

Posted by: southy, redbridge on 11:11pm Sun 24 Aug 08 live local, southampton where was last year's world figure ice skating champions ships held the uk leg.this championship use to earn richmond millions of £ in revenue over the 4 weeks it use to take place,the final part that is on tv was the biggest earner
live local, southampton where was last year's world figure ice skating champions ships

Your words now please respond

still waiting for this anwser:-
Posted by: live local, southampton on 1:03pm Tue 26 Aug 08

southy wrote: live local we only see the final part on tv, the pairs,women singles,men singles. freestyle and complusery what we dont see is the judging for points where the judges go on to the ice with skaters and look at the tracks in the ice when the skaters are ask to do movements like figure of 8 toe loops ect

Dear Southy I am well aware that there is more to judging than the bit we see on TV, but the question was how did they manage this at Richmond ice rink? As the ice rink was closed in 1987 Can you also clarify why you are still referring to the ice rink at Tower Park Poole which is also closed? If you are going to give reference to other facilities it is rather important to make sure you are correct or people will think you are silly!
southy wrote:
live local we only see the final part on tv, the pairs,women singles,men singles. freestyle and complusery what we dont see is the judging for points where the judges go on to the ice with skaters and look at the tracks in the ice when the skaters are ask to do movements like figure of 8 toe loops ect
Dear Southy I am well aware that there is more to judging than the bit we see on TV, but the question

for you to belive you need to go there your self or are you to lazy to get out of that chair and look for places.

Come off is, Southy, it doesn't work like that and you know it. He's looked it up, as have I. The ice rink at Tower Park closed down years ago and you know it. Claiming it's there and refusing to accept that anyone else might ever be right about anything is a bit pointless, and saying "go find it", well, now you're just pretending you're flat-out denying. Or have you moved on from custom-fitted definitions of the word "conjecture" to re-defining the word "exists"?

Come on, Southy, there's no ice rink at Tower Park and you know it. Just admit it!

its still there george,and the only way is to get your coat on and take drive down there.you can see it from the fittness center,whitch is where i go 1 mth for there warm swimming pool.weather if it was going to be closed down or closed for refrubishment that i cant tell you,but people who just quote from the internet is going to give out wrong info a lot of the time,thats why all web sites have disclamers for,old ibm saying rubbish in and rubbish out

southy wrote:
its still there george,and the only way is to get your coat on and take drive down there.you can see it from the fittness center,whitch is where i go 1 mth for there warm swimming pool.weather if it was going to be closed down or closed for refrubishment that i cant tell you,but people who just quote from the internet is going to give out wrong info a lot of the time,thats why all web sites have disclamers for,old ibm saying rubbish in and rubbish out

Ah, the old "the Internet is wrong" get-out.

Well, I just phoned Tower Park and asked about their ice rink, and was told that they had one years ago but it's no longer there. Nor is there one in the vicinity. So presumably this is all just some massive conspiracy to keep details of this ice rink secret from everyone, is it?

The defence rests.

PS. The quote "rubbish in, rubbish out" is actually "garbage in, garbage out" and it isn't an IBM slogan, it was a term used by someone who at one point was an IBM engineer, but he really got it from Charles Babbage. If you're gonna hide the truth behind a soundbite, make sure you've got the right soundbite

A rare deafening silence fron the Southy corner! Am I to assume that you're simply going to pretend this proof that you're just making stuff up doesn't exist?

nope no silence from me
sorry you are right there it is garbage and not rubbish.but george drive down there and come in from the by pass end and not town end

southy wrote:
nope no silence from me
sorry you are right there it is garbage and not rubbish.but george drive down there and come in from the by pass end and not town end

Sorry Southy, I'm not going on some fools errand because you're in denial. Unless there's some gateway to an alternative reality at that end of Poole, I'm doubtful it'll yield any new results. There is no ice rink there, it's been confirmed by a real, actual human being who is there, and in a position to know. Not some website you can dismiss as being "wrong" because it's on the Internet. An actual employee of the leisure facility in question. You're making stuff up, pure and simple, and even when caught out on this, you still persist. If there was a way to shake ones head in baffled pity over the Internet, I'd employ it right now. I can only hope that this is mere stubbornness on your part, and not an actual delusion.

So there it is, readers. The reason this ice rink campaign is doomed to failure. Those behind it have repeatedly proven they're not in the least bit concerned with factual information, reality, or truth. Some ice-rink "facts" for you:

1) 5000 people out of 204,000 is a landslide. Those who did not sign the petition, would have, had they not not signed it. Or something

2) The result "7-3" by an ice hockey team is irrefutable proof that an ice rink would be economically viable

3) The word "conjecture" has a different meaning, dependent upon whether it is applied to ice rinks or not

4) Anything other than a flat-out denial of a proposal can be considered a "100% success"

5) Anyone who follows a sport on TV would actively participate in it, if the facility existed in the local area

6) There is an ice rink in Tower Park, Poole. The fact that it has not actually existed for the best part of twenty years is irrelevant. It exists nonetheless, but is being kept a secret by all involved, for reasons that are yet to be adequately explored

7) Anyone who concerns themselves with concrete facts, rather than whimsy, has a negative attitude. Probably linked to the fact that cartoon characters don't realise they're walking on thin air until they actually measure this fact. It's amazing what one can accomplish when one is ignorant of outside limitations. Apparently

8) If one wishes for something hard enough, and ones heart is pure, rational arguments are utterly meaningless

9) The only way a campaign can fail, is if an equal and opposite campaign to the contrary succeeds. Quite how this paradox manifests itself is as yet unknown.

10) The Internet is wrong, except in situations where it can be shown to support an ice rink in Southampton

Quite an amazing amount of denial, really

shame you will not take that drive to poole would of been nice to meet you.i even would of paid for your fuel.
1)trouble is a lot people where not in town when the petition was there to be signed and not every one knows that you can do it on line, not that i would trust the figures for an on line petition you seen how the echo site can multiply on posts.and one person can put in multi votes.
2) agree with a hockey result do not proof that an ice rink would be economically viable,but did any one take notice of how many supporters went i hear there was a fair number that did go to watch it.
3)depends maily how you apply it.
4)it is in a way they got want they wanted on the council to find a developers or the council to start listen to developers
5)unknown has to date need one to really to find out.
6)20 odd years ago was when the locals started to complane because they was getting turned away in the evening,george do you want to have a laugh look on the map for tower park and see where it located if they not up dated it i did mail them and told them they got the wrong western road any way they got it located across the road from the docker's family home in the riches square mile in the uk.
7) concrete facts can only be gain after the build is done and in use.look what happen at the town quay when that first open up to the public council and traders said this will be a great for the people of the southampton bring in money for the local people,was soon relize that the town quay project failed,the first traders that went on to the town quay did not stay long.but it is holding it own at the moment for how long who knows.
8)proof will be in the pudding.
8) theres good rational arguments on both sides of the fence,
9)it helps to see a campaign on both sides.and i still think the west side would be better for an ice rink,if it built in the center of town there be to many that would not go,more so those that live out side of southampton places like fordingbridge or salisbury

oh sorry missed out
10) internet is only good for a rough guidline even for southampton ice rink

Southy, there is no ice rink in Tower Park. The only evidence that there is, is you saying so. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary, including verbal confirmation by staff at Tower Park

you mean the call centre for the company that runs tower park,if you want evidence drive down there on the last firday of the mth and i pay for your fuel

Southy, ( or should it be “Mouthy” ? )

"Live local' scored a direct bulls-eye.

But even more significantly, "George" your erstwhile buddy and defender, has inflicted the knockout punch.

Your credibility is gone.

What was it, an initial lie you could not admit to, so you wove further lie upon lie?

Or is it that you have a serious inferiority complex and try and compensate for it by parking yourself on a self-constructed lofty throne of Local Knowledge and peer down from it, to rubbish all and sundry who will not accept at face value, your un-sourced claims and outright transparent, whoppers?

A review of your postings makes sad reading.

You are a sad, sad individual.

Any further postings by you will justifiably be treated as suspect and totally lacking in credibility. As will, any postings by your twin ID “Brick”.

You should find another pastime.

Go sit in the library. Read a book on personal ethical behaviour.

southy wrote:
you mean the call centre for the company that runs tower park,if you want evidence drive down there on the last firday of the mth and i pay for your fuel

Last Friday of the month? Sorry, can't make it. I'm taking my magic carpet to the new intergalactic hypermarket on the Moon. My unicorn needs re-hoofing.

It ain't there. I spoke to them. Not a call centre. An actual employee at Tower Park. Why would there be absolutely no way of finding this ice rink, other than by some mysterious directions known only to you? It's not in the back of a wardrobe is it? Fancy some Turkish Delight?

also local aka live local and other names you could not hit a bulls-eye if it was the size of a barn door.the only people thats got credibility are the ones that uses one name and keeps to that one name,people such has george andy my self and a few others.we do not hide when proven wrong by changing names like your self.

southy wrote:
also local aka live local and other names you could not hit a bulls-eye if it was the size of a barn door.the only people thats got credibility are the ones that uses one name and keeps to that one name,people such has george andy my self and a few others.we do not hide when proven wrong by changing names like your self.

wong yet again about "several names"

You are pathetic.

Sad, sad excuse for a person.

A fixated liar.

In dire need of mental health intervention.

No further comment. Comments just feed into your bottomless pit of nausiating narcissus nonsense.

Go on. Respond. Have the last word. Always, you have to have the last word. Its part of your mental health problem. Have the last word on me. Whatever you write, I will not read. So your last word will be futile, pointless, other than making you ( falsely ) feel important, powerful. All about power innit, Southy, Mouthy.?

Now you are powerless.

bye

oh theres that name calling again,lol all ways do that dont you when you been caught out

southy wrote:
oh theres that name calling again,lol all ways do that dont you when you been caught out

Not being funny, Southy, but how's he been caught out? You've been caught out, with the whole non-existent ice rink in Tower Park thing. Please don't insult my intelligence by carrying on claiming it's there. It isn't, and we all know it

there is one there george i gave you the offer to see for your self up to you if you want to take it or not.

southy wrote:
there is one there george i gave you the offer to see for your self up to you if you want to take it or not.

Dear oh dear! It isn't there. I've asked. I've looked into it. It doesn't exist

i was refering to the multi names that local use.
any way it dont matter about tower park,i know there is one,i will ask question about it next time i down there.any way look at it like this if theres not one there then that makes southampton ice rink even more viable and more likey to make a bigger profit has this would increase the size of the catchment area

southy wrote:
i was refering to the multi names that local use.
any way it dont matter about tower park,i know there is one,i will ask question about it next time i down there.any way look at it like this if theres not one there then that makes southampton ice rink even more viable and more likey to make a bigger profit has this would increase the size of the catchment area

It does matter! You've been using that non-existent ice rink in your arguments for weeks. I just googled +"poole park" +"ice rink". Guess what the first hit was? Another Echo story where you claim you take people to this massively profitable ice rink at Tower Park about once a month.

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/mostpopular.v
ar.2432571.mostcomme
nted.ice_rink_dream_
up_to_developers.php


Then there's a story from the Bournemouth Echo about a Bournemouth lass lamenting that she'll never be an Olympic skater unless Bournemouth gets an ice rink. Apparently, the nearest one is....Gosport, 52 miles away.

http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/mostpop
ular.var.1761735.mos
tviewed.ria_turns_up
_heat_on_ice_rink_de
bate.php

That's 2 stories on the first google page alone. One claims you go to an ice rink in Bournemouth/Poole on a regular basis, the other is from an Olympic hopeful from that same area who can't find an ice rink within 50 miles! Now you're trying to back-pedal a bit here, saying it doesn't matter, and maybe there isn't one after all, but the first thing you find when searching for "poole park ice rink" is you claiming you go there all the time! You're quite clearly making this stuff up! There's little point carrying on the charade any longer

Here's another one from the Bournemouth Echo. A load of people bemoaning that they have to travel to Gosport or Basingstoke to ice skate. Why would they have to, when there's one right there in Tower Park?

http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/mostpop
ular.var.2084608.mos
tcommented.operator_
in_bid_for_permanent
_ice_rink.php

And a petition for an ice rink in Bournemouth

http://www.ipetition
s.com/petition/iceri
nk4bournemouth/

And another story lamenting the closure of the ice rink in 1991

http://www.thisisdor
set.net/display.var.
920399.0.0.php

And a press release from Bournemouth Borough Council about the possibility of maybe opening an ice rink in Bournemouth

http://www.bournemou
th.gov.uk/News/press
_office/Press_Releas
es/May_2008/ice_rink
.asp

Seems odd that all these people are so desperate for an ice rink in Bournemouth, when there's one a coupe of miles up the road in Tower Park

gosport a olympic size,intresting i ways thought that was a few inches under size.pool park ice rink is very small its a mini rink opens up at 10am and closes at 6pm and was only built for the holiday makers that use rocky sands caravan and camping site thats it tied to and is only for familys mainly with young kids.

Southy, what are your thoughts on this ice rink at Tower Parks, that nobody else knows about, including the ice skating fraternity of Bournemouth and Poole, Bournemouth Borough Council and Tower Park themselves, but you manage to frequent on a monthly basis?

bournmouth and poole is a bit like southampton and portsmouth

i only go to the fittness centre for there warm water swimming pool.
like i said say that i am wrong then it would make southampton ice rink more profitable as this will increase the catchment area

southy wrote:
bournmouth and poole is a bit like southampton and portsmouth

Not really. You can be standing in Bournemouth, then walk to Poole in a matter of seconds. Can't say that about Southampton and Portsmouth. You're avoiding my question, but on the flimsiest of pretexts!

Why do ice skaters in Bournemouth travel 52 miles to Gosport to skate, when there's an ice rink in Tower Park? Why do the staff at Tower Park not know about the ice rink?

southy wrote:
i only go to the fittness centre for there warm water swimming pool.
like i said say that i am wrong then it would make southampton ice rink more profitable as this will increase the catchment area

But you quite clearly said in another story that you took people skating there once a month! Either you were lying then, or you're lying now. Which is it?

George wrote:
Southy, what are your thoughts on this ice rink at Tower Parks, that nobody else knows about, including the ice skating fraternity of Bournemouth and Poole, Bournemouth Borough Council and Tower Park themselves, but you manage to frequent on a monthly basis?

George,

Give up on him.

He is a nut!

i was giving you the other side of the coin goerge,when i said it would be more viable for southampton.
tower park i going to wait till i am back down there and i will ask questions

well come back local

southy wrote:
i was giving you the other side of the coin goerge,when i said it would be more viable for southampton.
tower park i going to wait till i am back down there and i will ask questions

Just admit you made it up! You repeatedly slapped people down who said an ice rink in Southampton wasn't viable, by saying the one in Tower Park is making a massive profit! You repeatedly said you go there once a month! You have repeatedly told anyone who claims it isn't there that they're mistaken! I've offered you a wealth of evidence that it's not there, you've admitted as much in a very roundabout way, everybody knows you're making this stuff up! Why don't you just come clean?

Southy, either you have been skating at Tower Park on a monthly basis, or you haven't. Which is it? No more wheedling, no more side-stepping the question. Have you been ice skating at Tower Park within the last decade?

Maybe I can clarify,Southy is right and wrong.The ice rink that at Tower Park was sold off.And the company that took it over,Cut the rink in half.It now has a restaurant and a half size ice rink.

george i gave you the best choice to prove me wrong and that was an offer for you to see for your self,and i never said i go skating there i go to the fittness place but there is loads of people that do go there from this part of the world

Echo Editor wrote:

George wrote:
Southy, what are your thoughts on this ice rink at Tower Parks, that nobody else knows about, including the ice skating fraternity of Bournemouth and Poole, Bournemouth Borough Council and Tower Park themselves, but you manage to frequent on a monthly basis?

George,

Give up on him.

He is a nut!

Yeh, I expect you're right. Guess this ice rink idea really is a dodo, given that the only way anyone can argue in its favour is to repeatedly make up complete lies as "evidence".

Fun while it lasted, Southy, but I can't take anything you say seriously from now on. Absolutey insisting that an ice rink would be viable, based on the performance of actual, real ice rinks is fallacious enough. Basing it on the performance of one that doesn't exist, that's just dumb!

Claire wrote:
Maybe I can clarify,Southy is right and wrong.The ice rink that at Tower Park was sold off.And the company that took it over,Cut the rink in half.It now has a restaurant and a half size ice rink.

Nice try, Southy. I'm not about to believe that someone who has not previously commented on the story at all has suddenly happened upon this story from 4 days ago, some 10 pages or so deep in the Daily Echo news site, and decided to comment both in support of your lies, and in the aid of your back-pedalling, exactly a minute before your next response. And look, she just happens to come from Poole, and is also making similar grammatical errors to yourself. You concentrated on making the spelling good, but your grammar - and the massive coincidence, and the utter lack of any other supporting evidence whatsoever - give you away

its not me george look at the time gap.let me know if you change your mind,the offer still stands

southy wrote:
its not me george look at the time gap.let me know if you change your mind,the offer still stands

Tempting though it is to travel all the way to Tower Park, only to have you say "oh, that's weird" and feign puzzlement, or claim that you meant some other Tower Park, in some other Poole, in some other Dorset, that nobody knows about, I'm afraid I'll have to decline!

Using more than one name to bolster your arguments? Naughty boy! Busted!

and is also making similar grammatical errors to yourself
just lazy typing george its very common on the internet chat and forums

i only use one name and i dont see the point in using more than one name it get to confusing
claire has posted before i just check on pass post done by the echo

southy wrote:
i only use one name and i dont see the point in using more than one name it get to confusing
claire has posted before i just check on pass post done by the echo

No you haven't. There's no facility to do so. Sure, there's bound to have been some comments by someone called Claire on the Echo. Meaningless.

Game Over, Southy, you've been busted! Overplayed your hand, mate

george people can think what ever they like,but i know that i only use one name and in the end thats what counts.
sorry if i taken so long to reply but i am on another chat forum site. you know one of my biggest pet hates is people that use mobil phone text chat but i bite my lip and say nowt about it

Ice rink scheme already dropped!
31-07-2007

http://www.skyscrape

rnews.com/news.php?r

ef=1043

Developer Colin Warburg has come up with these plans for a key site in Southampton.

Situated in Charlotte Place and St Mary's Road, the mixed use scheme would feature a substantial residential tower element plus retail and leisure facilities that include an ice rink with a capacity of 1,200 spectators and two sports halls.
Wednesday 20th August 2008

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/search/displa

y.var.2429223.0.coun

cil_resolute_over_ea

st_park.php

"While a global credit crunch is affecting the country, our city is coping magnificently, with huge developments such as East Park Terrace, Ikea and Watermark West Quay coming to the city."
The East Park Terrace development will be built in stages.
The first will see 223 apartments built - 54 will be affordable homes held by Challenge Housing Association, 36 for rent and 18 for shared ownership - as well as an 11- storey hotel with about 122 rooms.
The next phase of work will see the 22-storey 200-bedroom hotel with conference facilities built alongside office space.

As you can see the initial plan looked at the possibility of an ice rink, and it was not in the final plan, also strangely enough Costains are not involved In the construction.

Given Southy’s level of accuracy I cannot accept his “10 ice rinks” about to be built as I can find no reference to them.

Nor is there any indication on Costains own web site of development plans (or history of other such projects)

Just ask yourself what is the probability of you m8 (mate for those who abhor text speak) happening to be looking for riggers for a specific project such as building ice rinks, when there are no records of plans or announcements about building plans. Such as, planning applications (which are in the public domain and on the internet).

costains have to put in a bid first local they will not publish till they get a yes or no, so you will need to wait,then they will tell you all about the bid and who won what bids,and witch costains branch did you look at there are three branches in costains c/house c/plant c/international it be the last 2 branches you need to keep an eye a basic example how it works first you get the developer lets say he wants to build 5 swimming pools he needs to find locations then he put forward the idea to local council to build one for them if he gets a out line planning permission he then has to get blue prints draw up and submits them to the planning office.all the time while this is going on the developer has open up for bids from contractors to build part or whole of the contract building,if the contractor gets get a yes to planning then he has to put the public notices up for any objectors there at lest 3 public notices some times 5,places to look for public notice are the papers,on the location of the site where they intent to build and local council buildings,if the developer get pass the public notice bit it be then he will give the winning bidder the contract to build,some developers have there own builders and might use them insted of contract builders.
so if you wish to find out any thing you need to look and see what the developer is doing and what stage he is in and not the contract builder.if the contractor wins it then it be a big thing probley takes up at lest 5 pages, but if they dont win it then it only be about one or two line at end of the finance year.

sorry made an error here
if the contractor gets get a yes to planning then he has to put the public notices up for any
contractor = developer

Nor is there any indication on Costains own web site of development plans (or history of other such projects)

costains web site dont tell you any thing,all its got if you want information on this item please phone or mail.and thats all you get on costains web site they vets what infor you get and will only tll you what they want you to know.

Developer Colin Warburg has come up with these plans for a key site in Southampton.

Situated in Charlotte Place and St Mary's Road, the mixed use scheme would feature a substantial residential tower element plus retail and leisure facilities that include an ice rink with a capacity of 1,200 spectators and two sports halls.

thanx for confirming what brick be saying with me backing him up,that a developer was intrested in building an ice rink.

As you can see the initial plan looked at the possibility of an ice rink, and it was not in the final plan, also strangely enough Costains are not involved In the construction

its to early to tell who will be the contracter to build this apart from any that of this that all ready been built

specific project such as building ice rinks, when there are no records of plans or announcements about building plans. Such as, planning applications

did you check every planning office in the country.
the matter on the need for riggers,theres going to be a big shortage due to another big project coming up on the south coast some where and has nothing to do with ice rinks it was just one of those things when your chatting one thing leads on to another

I think you need to re- read the article in July 2007 the development company looked at the possibility of putting an ice rink into their development. They decided it was not viable so it was not in the following plan. Since then we have seen the start of a downturn in the economy.

See http://www.guardian.
co.uk/business/2008/
jul/10/barratt.jobs.
houses

You should also look more closely into the ice rink at Richmond

It was owned by a property development company

Source http://www.twickenha
m-museum.org.uk/deta
il.asp?ContentID=336


The rink was sold to a property developer in 1978, who kept it running until 1987, when it was bought by another property company

See details on the recent history and London’s answer to Southy and the Brick

Richard Meacock
There was a millennium application for funding in 1996 to provide a new ice rink for Richmond. In 1997 another possible site for the ice rink was lost when Richmond Council gave lack of evidence for an alternative use for the site allowing the planning inspector to give planning permission for a superstore to be build on the site in Manor Road. In 1998 a judgment against Mr Meacock over the Manor Road site left him with liability for swingeing costs.
Source here http://www.richmond-
online.co.uk/icerink
02.html


I am also concerned about your level of commitment to any project, you bleat on about an ice rink you assume the last temporary rink was free to use. You then suggest that you might if really pushed go into town once to use the temporary rink, yet you are its most vocal supporter. If you are the example of the most committed supporter of an ice rink then it is highly unlikely that enough people will turn up to use it and it will again make a loss.

I suggested very early on in this debate that a way to demonstrate support for a rink would be to organise coach trips to Basingstoke, why don’t USS organise this all we have had is words and pathetic chants.
(Give us what we want) Which is reminiscent of a truculent child in the supermarket when the parent refuses to buy them sweets?

I still want to know when you last went ice skating at Tower Park (the one with the closed rink. The owners of tower park who over saw the refit in 2003 run 18 leisure sites around the UK and did not replace the ice rink as they thought it was not viable and the company is x leisure Source

http://archive.dorse
techo.co.uk/2005/1/1
3/59658.html

. If they did not feel it was viable with their experience they are hardly likely to listen to a person who claimed
• Richmond ice rink still existed / made a profit.

• That they go on a regular basis to use the non existent ice rink in Tower Park.

• That Bideford has sea side frontage and has an ice rink hidden there

• That during the worst economic forecast for the last 20 years you happen to have a mate who happens to know about the need for riggers for a major project before the developers have even thought of it themselves.

Will you organise trip to Basingstoke, I am sure the echo would run the story and I might even come along, in reality you know it is very easy to get 5000 signatures but much harder to move that from support to action.

not willing to organise a trip to basingstoke but willing to take 4 people there in my car if any one do organise a trip to basingstoke.

• That during the worst economic forecast for the last 20 years you happen to have a mate who happens to know about the need for riggers for a major project before the developers have even thought of it themselves.

first all you need to know what type of project it is,it might be some thing to do with oil wells or refinery work,new docks or even a new square rigger there could be a number of reasons,but what causing a shortage is NOT you small building projects like down in the the centre of town.ie when the cat turn around happens in the fawley refinery this alone will employ over 2000 men whitch about 100 to 300 will be riggers of all classes where has the building work in town will employ about 200 people,you can see the diffrence now.
the rink at tower park was sold on to another company.tower park had big problems with people breaking legs and arms and had a number of insurance claims pay outs

You have told us what the project is in your own words

Posted by: southy, redbridge on 1:58pm Fri 29 Aug 08

the problem brick is that alot dont know what is really happen behide the curtains.like i only found out the other day when chatting to my m8 in costains.10 new ice rinks to be built in the uk
But as usual you either deny you said it or cannot back up your statements.

Still waiting for answers

1 Richmond ice rink - who was the last owner that made all the profit from skating

2 Where is the tower park ice rink (and remember I have told you where an ice rink is)

3 Confirm your twaddle about 10 ice rinks .

Because currently you come across as someone who like to speak without thinking makes statements without checking and is therefore unreliable.

As for the USS they are welcome to contact the 5000 and set up a regular trip to Basingstoke…. But we know it will not happen as it has not happened for the last 20 years none of them are willing to make a stand and try to show demand.

If the best they/ you can offer is one car with four people then it is clear there is no demand for an ice rink. Also with your tale of doom and gloom about the demise of Tower park ice rink being due to injuries to skaters…. The company that own the site at Tower park is X LEISURE they are experienced in operating ice arenas as they run about 18 over the country, but if this is the case then we can understand why they do not want to be part of new ice rinks.

Now be good and go back to sleep for the next 20 years.

Apologies for jumping on board late in the day, but I have been watching this with interest. It's most amusing to watch Southy squirm, but sticking rigidly to his guns.

I picked up on a couple of Southy's comments, mainly about the size of so-called ice-rinks in Bideford and Tower Park. I'm sure that he is actually referring to some sort of amusement arcade in Bideford and the ice-rink at Poole Park, rather than Tower Park. Poole Park is, well, a park, with the usual facilities including a boating lake, children's playground, cafe and....an ice-rink! Open 10am to 4pm as Southy has referred. Poole Park and Tower Park are completely different, and in different locations altogether. See link to map.

http://www.theaa.com

/maps/map_results.js

p

I find it difficult to see how you, Southy, could watch the skaters from the fitness suite at Tower Park though?

One website describes the Poole Park ice-rink as "Small Ice rink, Suitable for kids". Is this the sort of rink you wand 'The Brick' want to see built in Southampton, a kiddies play area? Surely you're not basing this protracted argument around a kids' play area?

poole park is rockysands camp site whitch is about 4 miles west of tower park.the rink in poole park and the one in bideford are about the same size,just small family fun rinks.cant do a lot on them apart from learning to skate,and the one in tower park complex cant be much biggers now,has claire has pointed out it was sold to another company who cut the rink down in size and all so made it into a eatting place to.if you go to the fitness centre you can see some of people going into the building with there skates

but your right in your thinking Sentient people like local aka harbour,mild bill and many other names he uses.would deprive people of any leisure fun.

Sorry to have been missing for a few days but the new log in system was playing up so note the new user name 'stay local ' rather than 'live local' as som one has stolen that name.

Southy when you go th the library please get a map of Bournemouth and poole, because if there is an ice rink at tower park just for the users of Rockley park they will need to travel about four miles in a straight line cros a railway line swim through part of poole harbour and cross the mud flats.

With all your research you shouls be able to identify
1 Where is Rockley park,
2Where is Poole park and
3Where is Tower park ( these are all names known to people in the area)
But as usual Southy thinks that different people call them different names.
I have repeatedly asked you and suggested that you check your fact but each time you fail and then claim
1 other peoples information is not as good as yours.
2 You are being miss quoted , but then don't respond when your words are posted back to you
3 You claim well knon plases are known by you and others as the names used for other places.
4 you claim that other peole are using multiple names to challange your view, When you are next a the library do dsome research into Baron Munchausen.As you are very similar in outlook

It all adds up to someone who has no idea what they are talking about.

Are you going to confirm the last time you went skating at tower park