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11:03am Monday 22nd September 2008
ONE of the world’s leading experts on fluoride paid a flying visit to Southampton to join in the Great Fluoride Debate.
Dr Paul Connett is vehemently opposed to fluoridation and has jetted into the city all the way from his home in New York to add his powerful voice to the consultation on plans to add fluoride to the city’s tap water.
Southampton City Primary Care Trust wants to see the city’s water supplies fluoridated to improve dental health.
Dr Connett, director of Fluoride Action Network and a retired professor of chemistry at St Lawrence University in New York State, has spoken at conferences worldwide on fluoride since he began researching its health impact 12 years ago.
Most of the United States’ water supplies are fluoridated in a medical practice designed to improve children’s dental health.
Dr Connett told the Daily Echo: “Fluoridation is a clumsy form of medication. It’s attractive because you do not have to take any trouble to educate parents.
“But you are giving it to people who are sensitive to it and people who don’t want it. That’s very arrogant.
“There is a far stronger relationship between tooth decay and standard of living than you will ever find between tooth decay and fluoride.
Fluoride lowers IQ “The answer should be to target the kids that are most vulnerable, in low income families, and make sure the pregnant women in these areas are getting a good diet.”
Dr Connett is keen to see in-depth studies into fluoridation’s side effects.
“Fluoridation is an American crackpot idea from the 1950s,” he said. “It was a huge gamble. They knew one thing in 1950 and that was that if they put fluoride in the water, it would increase the number of children with dental fluorosis, which they thought was an acceptable trade off. The gamble was whether fluoride could do that to the growing teeth cells without damaging any other tissue.
“Countries that have had fluoridation since 1950 have never done the basic studies to check this hypothesis out.
“The other half of the scandal is that countries that have not done studies are ignoring studies from countries that do not fluoridate their water but have naturally high levels of fluoride.
“Fluoride causes health problems, damaging the bones and the brain. There have also been 23 studies done in China, India, Iran and Mexico showing fluoride lowers IQ levels in children.
“The health experts say they have been fluoridating for 50 years and if there were any problems we would know about them by now. But if you don’t study it properly, you don’t notice the subtle changes.
“No British authorities are studying the link between fluoride and lower IQ levels, and they are ignoring all the studies from the other countries.”
Dr Connett called for an open debate: “Now is the time to challenge the strategic health authority to demonstrate objectivity by having a balanced debate. I am prepared to do it.”
Lib Lob, says...
11:39am Mon 22 Sep 08
Of the Ilk, Eastleigh says...
11:54am Mon 22 Sep 08
Condor Man, Southampton says...
1:09pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Andy Locks Heath, says...
1:21pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Of the Ilk wrote:I agree. What we have to do now is take the debate forward and come up with a better solution than fluoridisation rather than just attacking it with no alternative answer. We have to help the children of bad parents who do not look after their children's teeth - and a mouth full of bad teeth with severely impair your career and social prospects - and that's a fact of life. Do we a) force parents by law to take children to the dentists or prosecute them for neglect b) provide toothpaste and toothbrushes on the NHS (rather than just give tax credits to be spent on fags) c) provide subsidised fruit and veg tax free to parents of small children paid for by d) a tax on sweets and sunny delight..... or x) fluoridate the water? I am sick of people spoiling the argument by coming on here saying fluoridation doesn't work because it clearly does - it just has bad physical and political side effects. So let's discuss alternatives and see if any are better than madd medication, rather than just putting up scientific data that 99% of readers aren't going to check anyway.
The Echo has reported the views and opinions of an experienced and concerned scientist, who is using the rather sparse evidence to support his view. He may be correct - he may not be. We all need to look carefully at the evidence as presented by different studies and then make an informed decision - not just state entrenched opinions that may well be based on prejudice.
I think that education and encouragement of those who have a history of poor teeth is better than imposing mass medication that may or may not have long term side effects. Why should those who know they have a fluoride sensitivity be forced to spend money on expensive bottled water?
Number6, Southampton says...
1:41pm Mon 22 Sep 08
nyscof, Old Bethpage says...
2:03pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Bill Shatner, The enterprise says...
3:27pm Mon 22 Sep 08
stuartjebbitt, Eastleigh says...
5:57pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Mary Williams, southampton says...
5:59pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Andy Locks Heath, says...
6:24pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Mary Williams wrote:Like I said Mary, let's move the debate on from just slagging off fluoridation because you or the good doctor aren't offering any alternative. It's all very well to mention the bad lazy parenting but how to you then protect the child from the lazy stupidity of the parent? Fluoridation was the crude sledgehammer used to address that particular nut, so now we decide to remove it, how do we ensure that a young child's teeth are cared for? You can't just criticise parents then walk away, what is the plan? Let's keep this thread discussing sensible solutions rather than just continually slagging off the only idea that rightly or wrongly actually has a documented proposal.
If fluoridation is safe why have 17 out of 21 W.European countries refused or discontinued the prectice. Many top scientists agree that it is a harmful substance-Prof. Schatz who discovered the antibiotic streptomycin said that 'fluoridation is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated..' It is criminal to use the water supply as a vehicle for drugs which could be toxic just because some parents are too lazy or ignorant to care for their childrens teeth. Surely the risks outweigh the benefits and I need to feel confident that the water I drink is not going to harm me.
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach FL USA says...
6:32pm Mon 22 Sep 08
chinesederek, Southampton says...
6:44pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach FL USA says...
6:48pm Mon 22 Sep 08
chinesederek, Southampton says...
6:49pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Adrian Smith, Planet Earth says...
8:26pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Andy Locks Heath wrote:Andy, I agree let's move the debate on.
Mary Williams wrote:If fluoridation is safe why have 17 out of 21 W.European countries refused or discontinued the prectice. Many top scientists agree that it is a harmful substance-Prof. Schatz who discovered the antibiotic streptomycin said that 'fluoridation is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated..' It is criminal to use the water supply as a vehicle for drugs which could be toxic just because some parents are too lazy or ignorant to care for their childrens teeth. Surely the risks outweigh the benefits and I need to feel confident that the water I drink is not going to harm me.Like I said Mary, let's move the debate on from just slagging off fluoridation because you or the good doctor aren't offering any alternative. It's all very well to mention the bad lazy parenting but how to you then protect the child from the lazy stupidity of the parent? Fluoridation was the crude sledgehammer used to address that particular nut, so now we decide to remove it, how do we ensure that a young child's teeth are cared for? You can't just criticise parents then walk away, what is the plan? Let's keep this thread discussing sensible solutions rather than just continually slagging off the only idea that rightly or wrongly actually has a documented proposal.
Dr Cluck, Geelong, Australia says...
1:07am Tue 23 Sep 08
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach FL USA says...
2:23am Tue 23 Sep 08
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach FL USA says...
2:27am Tue 23 Sep 08
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach FL USA says...
2:41am Tue 23 Sep 08
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach FL USA says...
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Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach FL USA says...
3:13am Tue 23 Sep 08
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach FL USA says...
3:22am Tue 23 Sep 08
Anita Knight, St. Petersburg, Florida, US says...
3:33am Tue 23 Sep 08
Andy Locks Heath, says...
7:58am Tue 23 Sep 08
Pavel, Hedge End says...
3:14am Fri 24 Oct 08
psybin, sherman oaks says...
9:48pm Mon 27 Oct 08
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PeterQ, says...
11:33am Mon 22 Sep 08